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In Boruto chapter one, Konohamaru sealed and fired using the "Wind" seal for his kote the Rasengan. I think that merits discussion if that qualifies him as a user of Wind Release: Rasengan? Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:33, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

I think we already decided that if someone uses a technique with Kote, it doesn't necessarily make him the actual user. Since we don't know for sure if Konohamaru can actually use Wind Rasengan without Kote, we still can't list him as the user. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 14:40, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

You don't understand how the Kote works, do you? • Seelentau 愛 ^議 14:48, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

...Are you referring to Raven or me there See, because I saw Konohamaru seal that Rasengan with Wind Seal himself. Just for clarification. Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:52, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

To Raven. By the way, if anything, it's similar to Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan, because it's clearly not this technique. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 14:53, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

@Raven: That only applies when we don't know who initially sealed the technique. Anyways, there are too many different Rasengan variations to list Konohamaru under one and for it to be correct... Just keep it "Rasengan with Wind Chakra"...--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 14:55, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Good point See, but we could potentially see it as the Rasengan was "fired" hence the flight, or Wind Release just makes Rasengans fly? Naruto only used it once and Wind Release is what makes the RasenShuriken fly? How else did Sasuke just know that Boruto put Wind in his Rasengan...aside from his Sharingan and Rinnegan telling him I guess. Just a theory. Shock Dragoon (talk) 14:58, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Rasenshuriken could not fly without senjutsu tho.--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 14:58, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

I actually know the mechanics of Kote, just overlooked the moment Konohamaru was sealing his own Rasengan into the scroll. My bad. If that's Konohamaru's Rasengan he created himsef, then it can possibly be the Wind Release Rasengan, but I'm also unsure if it's exactly this techique. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 15:00, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

This is kinda like the "Byakugan Boruto" discussion, it's a Rasengan with Wind Release, and that's kinda the basic gist of Wind Release: Rasengan isn't it? What else could we call it, this is the safest bet in reality I guess. Shock Dragoon (talk) 15:02, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Vanishing Rasengan is also "Rasengan with Wind Release". Your point? :D :D--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 15:05, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

That freaking disappears and is smaller than the average Rasengan. Just saying Wind Release: Rasengan is the safest choice out of all of them. Shock Dragoon (talk) 15:07, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

It could also be a Wind version of Fire Release: Great Flame Rasengan....--BerserkerPhantom (talk) 15:07, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm working with OD on figuring out how the Kote works, but the stuff in the Zai no Sho is hard to read, so it will take some time. Until then, I don't think we should add anything. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 10:48, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

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-== Rephrasing ==
+== Konohamaru ==
-"Later, Naruto combined this with Yamato's Water Release: Tearing Torrent to create the Tornado Water Vortex Technique. This jutsu is about half complete according to Yamato."
+In Boruto chapter one, Konohamaru sealed and fired using the "Wind" seal for his kote the Rasengan. I think that merits discussion if that qualifies him as a user of Wind Release: Rasengan? [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 14:33, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:I think we already decided that if someone uses a technique with Kote, it doesn't necessarily make him the actual user. Since we don't know for sure if Konohamaru can actually use Wind Rasengan without Kote, we still can't list him as the user. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 14:40, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+::You don't understand how the Kote works, do you? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:48, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:::...Are you referring to Raven or me there See, because I saw Konohamaru seal that Rasengan with Wind Seal himself. Just for clarification. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 14:52, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+::::To Raven. By the way, if anything, it's similar to Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan, because it's clearly not this technique. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:53, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:::::@Raven: That only applies when we don't know who initially sealed the technique. Anyways, there are too many different Rasengan variations to list Konohamaru under one and for it to be correct... Just keep it "Rasengan with Wind Chakra"...--[[User:BerserkerPhantom|BerserkerPhantom]] ([[User talk:BerserkerPhantom|talk]]) 14:55, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:Good point See, but we could potentially see it as the Rasengan was "fired" hence the flight, or Wind Release just makes Rasengans fly? Naruto only used it once and Wind Release is what makes the RasenShuriken fly? How else did Sasuke just know that Boruto put Wind in his Rasengan...aside from his Sharingan and Rinnegan telling him I guess. Just a theory. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 14:58, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+::Rasenshuriken could not fly without senjutsu tho.--[[User:BerserkerPhantom|BerserkerPhantom]] ([[User talk:BerserkerPhantom|talk]]) 14:58, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:::I actually know the mechanics of Kote, just overlooked the moment Konohamaru was sealing ''his own'' Rasengan into the scroll. My bad. If that's Konohamaru's Rasengan he created himsef, then it can possibly be the Wind Release Rasengan, but I'm also unsure if it's exactly this techique. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 15:00, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+::::This is kinda like the "Byakugan Boruto" discussion, it's a Rasengan with Wind Release, and that's kinda the basic gist of Wind Release: Rasengan isn't it? What else could we call it, this is the safest bet in reality I guess. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 15:02, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:::::[[Vanishing Rasengan]] is also "Rasengan with Wind Release". Your point? :D :D--[[User:BerserkerPhantom|BerserkerPhantom]] ([[User talk:BerserkerPhantom|talk]]) 15:05, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+::::::That freaking disappears and is smaller than the average Rasengan. Just saying Wind Release: Rasengan is the safest choice out of all of them. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 15:07, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+:::::::It could also be a Wind version of [[Fire Release: Great Flame Rasengan]]....--[[User:BerserkerPhantom|BerserkerPhantom]] ([[User talk:BerserkerPhantom|talk]]) 15:07, May 4, 2016 (UTC)
+I'm working with OD on figuring out how the Kote works, but the stuff in the Zai no Sho is hard to read, so it will take some time. Until then, I don't think we should add anything. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:48, May 5, 2016 (UTC)
-In this part of the text, it could be understood as the Tornado Water Vortex Technique being half complete, should be re-written to offer a more understandable/accurate phrase.
-[[User:ImageLoader|ImageLoader]] ([[User talk:ImageLoader|talk]]) 13:13, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
-Isn't the Rasenshuriken a completed version of Futon: Rasengan? --[[User:Xfing|Xfing]]
-Nope, Yamato clearly says to Kakashi that the technique is half completed.
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-...The Tornado Water Vortex Technique is a complete jutsu. It's just deprived from a half-complete jutsu and a complete jutsu. Although, it's like saying that the Rasengan is added with the Rainbow chakra, and we don't if the rainbow chakra is part of an incomplete jutsu. But, the technique is half-complete. I don't know if it's a complete jutsu now that I've been typing. Well, if it came from the Rashenshuriken, it'd probably just make a bigger waterspout so let's just say that it's complete. --[[User:Rasengan888|Rasengan888]] 15:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC) P.S. Sign your name with 4x~, Image Loader.
-== Harmful? ==
-I know the Resenshuriken is harmful to Naruto, but is this jutsu harmful as well? {{unsigned|Xnaminex|14:38, January 1, 2009}}
-:No statements have been made to imply that. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Jan 1, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 23:31 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-I seriously doubt it as Kakashi is evidence he described the rasenshuriken as making to many cuts for him to count and he didn't say that about the regular wind release version so I think it is safe.[[User:WolfMaster|WolfMaster]] 12:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
-I think that this technique is only harmful upon '''impact''' because it is then that the technique converts into millions of tiny wind chakra blades that pierce the body severing all cellular chakra vessels. When Naruto used it against Kakuzu he was still holding the technique upon impact resulting in his arm being caught in the blast (for a short time) and thus damaged. But while Naruto holds the technique it floats slightly above his hand thus protecting him from the effects of the technique like the Rasengan. And then when used against Pain, Naruto '''threw''' the technique thus removing the danger of being caught in the blast and thus the damage did not occur. - [[User:Zero2001|Zero]] - [[User Talk:Zero2001|Talk]] 07:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
-Dude you are talking about the rashenshuriken we're talking about the regular wind release version like the one being formed in this picture [http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/330/04/][[User:WolfMaster|WolfMaster]] 03:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
-Oh. That one. Well it ''might'' be harmful as well but on a far smaller scale than the full fledged technique. Anyway, we don't have enough info on it to clearly say that it does or doesn't. - [[User:Zero2001|Zero]] - [[User Talk:Zero2001|Talk]] 07:16, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
-We do. When Naruto clashed his Wind Release: Rasengan with Kakashi's regular one, the damage was totally nonexistent. Wind Release: Rasengan is just a Rasengan with substantially increased power, it doesn't work as Rasenshuriken. - Xfing
-Like I said. Compared to Kakuzu being totally defeated Kakasi's Arm was only damaged to tthe point where it seemed charred or bruised badly. So compared to the Rasenshuriken the Wind Release: Rasengan damages on a far smaller scale. The damage is not nonexistent or there would be no damage at all. - [[User:Zero2001|Zero]] - [[User Talk:Zero2001|Talk]] 07:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
-you people are making it sound like this tech. is weaker than the normal rasengan, which it isn't! [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 22:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
-== Movie 5 ==
-Is this the Rasengan variant Naruto used in movie 5? Just curious. -ZeusMino-
-[[Special:Contributions/71.94.186.111|71.94.186.111]] 02:24, 6 February 2009 (UTC)Possibly-RasenganMaster
-== completion ==
-the rasenshuriken is a variation, not a completion of the technique.
-the blades became longer to form a shuriken.
-this technique is still incomplete because Yamato said (I forgot when) that Naruto
-hasn't fully finished adding in the wind chakra (I forgot exactly what he said,
-but i know that the technique still isn't complete)
-if he completed it, it would be far more powerful than the rasenshuriken. [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 22:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
-While it is true that the Rasenshuriken is a variant. I must point out the Yamato was not referring to '''Wind Release: Rasengan''' when he said that it was only half complete. He was referring to the incomplete Rasenshuriken. After (or during) the fight with Kakuzu when Naruto used the Rasenshuriken the third time, he also mentioned that Naruto could only use Rasenshuriken twice before they left to help Kakashi. His knowing of the Rasenshuriken supports this fact. - [[User:Zero2001|Zero]] - [[User Talk:Zero2001|Talk]] 07:26, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
-well, the rasenshuriken (since it's a variant) is probably more powerful.
-since the rasenshuriken is this jutsu with the blades elongated, once this tech. is complete, then we're talking big explosions! (with the rasenshuriken) and i meant that if this tech. was complete than it would be more powerful than the rasenshuriken is now.
-but, my point is that the rasenshuriken will be waaaaaay more powerful once this tech. is complete.
-[[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 23:32, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
-I was under the impression that the '''Wind Release: Rasengan''' was complete and the '''Rasenshuriken''' was the next level of this technique. - [[User:Zero2001|Zero]] - [[User Talk:Zero2001|Talk]] 04:52, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
-also, if he completes this tech. then Naruto can use this jutsu w/o going into sage mode and he can use it a number of times instead of the six rasenshuriken he can use, AND it will also be powerful enough to easily kill the target. [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 22:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
-if i can make this simpler, if this jutsu is complete, then by turning it into a rasenshuriken, it would far more powerful than it is now. okay, i'm done! [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] 22:55, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
-:[[Wind Release: Rasengan]] is the completed form of the incomplete [[Rasengan]]. There is no indication that the technique is incomplete. The Rasenshuriken is just another Jutsu that uses the technique. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Mar 30, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 01:30 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-:Is it possible that he completed the technique during his sage training because that would explain why the Rasenshuriken looks so dense and stable, since the Rasenshuriken is partially made of this techinque. [[Special:Contributions/24.189.153.102|24.189.153.102]] ([[User talk:24.189.153.102|talk]]) 15:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
-== jutsu rank ==
-isnt wind release:Rasengan an S-rank jutsu?[[User:Saiyan16|Saiyan16]] ([[User talk:Saiyan16|talk]]) 17:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-:There's no official rank given for it. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
-:the rasengan is an A ranked jutsu and kakashi said that adding the wind element would take it to an S ranked jutsu or higher [[User:Fawcettp|Fawcettp]] ([[User talk:Fawcettp|talk]]) 00:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-::That's not an official statement of rank. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Jul 22, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 03:30 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-:::true but after its first use (and the resulting damage) it was classed as a forbidden jutsu by the 5th hokakage (meaning it is an S ranked jutsu) [[User:Fawcettp|Fawcettp]] ([[User talk:Fawcettp|talk]]) 04:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-::::Forbidden ≠ S-rank. Case in point: [[Multiple Shadow Clone Technique]]. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 04:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-:Its not a forbidden jutsu the rasenshuriken is the forbidden one since the fifth hokage saw that it harmed the user too.the wind release: rasengan was harmless to the user.[[User:Efresh12|Efresh12]] ([[User talk:Efresh12|talk]]) 18:34, December 6, 2009 (UTC)Efresh12
-== picture ==
-isn't it better to change the picture and put the one that naruto created to combine it with yamato's technique:Water Release: Tearing Torrent and form the Typhoon Water Vortex Technique?just a suggestion...
-:I dug up that version. Assuming it wasn't just a poor quality shot, the current image seems better. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:25, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
-== " Some people believe... ==
-...that the Wind Release: Rasengan was and early stage of Wind Release: Rasenshuriken but is unsure due to lack of information."
-:I removed this, since it is pure speculation [[User:Fangzntalonz|Fangzntalonz]] ([[User talk:Fangzntalonz|talk]]) 08:22, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
-Huge section titles like this are bad. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
-== Fuuton. Rasengan = Is thrown? ==
-In the manga. I was always curious how Naruto combined his Wind Rasengan with Yamato's water technique to create that vortex without Naruto like. Getting hit by the water technique to create it. Which would make no sense.
-http://i18.mangareader.net/naruto/337/naruto-6837.jpg
-http://i39.mangareader.net/naruto/337/naruto-6838.jpg
-http://i32.mangareader.net/naruto/337/naruto-6839.jpg
-Then in the anime. We see him throw it.
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6KEMsdpSQ
-It looks like Naruto can throw a Fuuton Rasengan. But not a Fuuton Rasen Shuriken. Until he trained further in its use at Myoboku Mountain.([[User:Raiken1992|Raiken1992]] ([[User talk:Raiken1992|talk]]) 16:43, October 11, 2011 (UTC))
-:You shouldn't take that literally. They just showed the two jutsu combining, its not meant to be taken seriously.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 16:09, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
-Definately seems like its a strong possiblity that was the case though.([[User:Raiken1992|Raiken1992]] ([[User talk:Raiken1992|talk]]) 16:43, October 11, 2011 (UTC))
-:I really doubt that he threw the Rasengan. The two techniques could have combined and the force/rotation of the water and or the Rasengan propelled it forward.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 17:37, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
-== Why? ==
-Why Naruto is not using this defaultly as his common attack instead of his normal Rasengan ???--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:38, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
-Because I can assume it's harder to make than a regular Rasengan. And because Wind Release: Rasengan is the base for Rasenshuriken, he probably has no need to actually use it because he can easily manipulate it into a attack that can hurt a giant demon.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 00:57, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
-== Rank ==
-Kakashi stated combining one's nature element with Rasengan would make an S-ranked jutsu or higher. However, there is no higher rank than S-rank in jutsu classification, leaving S-rank as the only possibility. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 11:38, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
-http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Wind_Release:_Rasengan#jutsu_rank See, Listen, hear--[[User talk:Jaison Clinton Castelino|This is me, Jaison Clinton Castelino]] 12:14, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
-Why not just say S-rank (presumably).--[[User:Charmanking2198|Charmanking2198]] ([[User talk:Charmanking2198|talk]]) 12:40, September 17, 2012 (UTC)
-== Shadow Clone Technique as a parent technique ==
-Should we add the Shadow Clone Technique as a parent technique. Because, Naruto and a shadow clone create simple one, while Minato, Kakashi and Jiraiya all create with by themselves. So it basically counts same as with Naruto and a clone, and Minato performing it by himself. So shouldn't that mean that the additional Shadow Clone is the key to preforming it? As Naruto says, he needs to look to "right and left" at the same time.--[[User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]] | [[User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson|My Contributions]] 21:34, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
-:Don't think so. Naruto for the most of the series needed a shadow clone to use basic Rasengan, so if anything, it would be added to that, but we know it's not necessary. This is more like a crutch than a requirement. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:27, April 26, 2014 (UTC)