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i think we should crop out the Senju portion seeing as how this is only about the Uzumaki clan. thoughts?[[User:Newthx2u|Newthx2u]] ([[User talk:Newthx2u|talk]]) 23:30, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
:it would look too small and retarded... the image that clearly defines the two groups will suffice until they're debut in the anime --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 14:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
==Senju Clan Ancestor==
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== Symbol as of 618 ==
I know this is going to sound beyond corny but its still true when it comes to this: "I object, there is no proof!" -- [[User:Master Shannara|Master Shannara]] ([[User talk:Master Shannara|talk]]) July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
:His infobox doesn't list him as a member, I know because I removed that from the infobox. For some reason, the concept which adds info to other pages based on what is in other infoboxes isn't updating properly, so it's showing him as a member, and not showing Mito, Kushina and Naruto. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:00, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Senju's gone (for me). Maybe it's because Naruto, Kushina, and Mito aren't using Uzumaki '''<u>C</u>'''lan? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:41, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Nope. Senju clan members all have lower case c, and they all end up in the Senju Clan article, with upper case c. The link is a redirect, but they still appear there. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:50, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I know that. But I am suggesting that that is why it is not working in this case. Uzumaki leader has capital C, the others have lowercase. That's the only explanation I can come up with. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:59, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
On another note could it be added that like the Senju Clan they were blessed with a great life force? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 18:25, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
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So, as of chapter 618, it appears that the clan symbol and the village symbol are actually the same. Does anyone disagree with uploading the village symbol as a new revision of the clan symbol? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:56, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Affiliations ==
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The red swirl is fine on the Uzumaki clan page, but replace the village symbol on the Uzushiogakure page with the clan symbol. Since The Uzumaki were pretty much in charge of the village.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 23:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
   
Couldn't Konohagakure be considered an affiliation as well? [[User:XxKibaxX|XxKibaxX]] ([[User talk:XxKibaxX|talk]]) 04:18, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
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The current Uzumaki symbol has that outer ring. I believe it came from a panel which featured Mito, and those were in the background with that colour in the spiral and the outer ring. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:29, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
   
:Only a few members ever have anything to do with Konoha. That's not enough for the entire clan to become an affiliate. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 04:29, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
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That outer ring doesn't seem to actually be part of the symbol, but a complement to it. I remember seeing something like that around an Uchiha clan symbol before. Can't remember from where. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 23:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
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EDIT: Also, every time the symbol is seen, its without the symbol. Take the samurai outfits on the 616 cover for example. Both Sasuke and Naruto have Their clan symbols on them, with Naruto's all over the place. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 23:58, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
   
== 503 Cover ==
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The arrows were a bit different in the manga but I think we need to remove the outer ring that we currently have for more accourate depiction. I also think that maybe the symbol should be white(?)/have no colour to match all the other descriptions. It seems like the village's symbol was the red one.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
   
Apparently the cover for 503 confirms that Minato married into the clan as it said the "Uzumaki family". That and the symbols on their shirts were that of Uzushio. Most likely this means the Uzumaki Clan symbol is also the symbol for Uzushio. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] 10:50PM ETZ Jul-21-10
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Just leave the red swirl on th oage as it is.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 01:35, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
   
:It would imply the other way around actually. That the village symbol is also a clan symbol. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:41, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
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[[:File:Chapter 175.jpg|Uzumaki and Uchiha symbols]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 08:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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:That's the ticket Gobby. That's part of the reason why I think the Uzumaki symbol should be white, and not red. Apart from that, it was said that Konoha has the symbol of Uzushiogakure on their uniforms, and that's red.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:00, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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::Thing is, village symbols have never had colour. They're just the design. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Ah, true, I was just going based off the colour on the Konoha-nin shoulder markings. Not too sure how the Uzushiogakure people made the distinction really. So basically I mean we use [[:File:Uzumaki clan's symbol.svg|this]] for the village (needs to be renamed -.-") and [[:File:Uzushiogakure Symbol.svg|this]] for the clan? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:27, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::::As far as I understand, I think Uzushio symbol stays as it is, and we either redirect the Uzumaki clan symbol into it (similar to how we use redirects so Shisui's MS shows up in Danzō's and the crow's infobox), or we upload the current Uzushio symbol as a new revision of the Uzumaki symbol. No idea on what happens regarding the colour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:38, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Colour was just kind of a "differentiator" to me. We wouldn't mention that one is red or anything like that of course, but if you think it's the safer bet just to use the one we use on Uzushiogakure's article now for everything, I have no qualms with that either.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:19, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
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I still go by replacing current Uzumaki symbol with Uzushio symbol. Just uploading that as a new revision should do the trick. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:33, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:So the same colourless one for them both? Don't think the filename needs to be change the file-name, people shouldn't concern themselves with that so much. I thought it'd be a good fit to add the red symbol for Uzushio, but we do need to get a move on this.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
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::For some reason, I'm not being able to save the svg file to my computer to reupload it on top of the current Uzumaki symbol. Anyone with better luck out there? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:01, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
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:::[[:File:Uzumaki_Symbol.svg|This]] is what you meant right? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:18, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
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::::That's the one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:25, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
::That's what I meant, seems the Uzumaki ran the place. Shouldn't we add the symbol to the Clan section as well then? [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] 10:08 Jul-22-10 ETZ
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As shown in the photo with Uzumaki Leader and Hashirama, the clan symbol is a weird light blue. The village symbols are colorless. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:54, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
   
:::A hypothetical scene is hardly the best place to draw on for information like this. It would be confusing and strange to use your clan symbol as the symbol for an entire village. I'm not saying it isn't so, but it would be odd. Unless Uzushiogakure only consisted of the Uzumaki clan. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 07:59, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
I agree, the scene in the picture is not a true seen, so information like he said is not reliable. Although possible, we can't go and say that the spiral is the uzumaki clan's symbol, even though their name means spiral... --[[User:Sauske-Blaze|Sauske-Blaze]] ([[User talk:Sauske-Blaze|talk]]) 00:48, July 29, 2010 (UTC)Sauske-Blaze
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== Known Members ==
   
==Tsunade and Nawaki==
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Why are Naruto, Nagato, and Karin all listed as Uzumaki members but Tsunade and Nawaki aren't? They are all descendants of the Uzumaki Clan so they should all be listed, we don't know exactly how Nagato and Karin are related to the Clan, other then they were stated too, however, we know exactly how Tsunade and Nawaki are related to the Clan. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 17:41, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we add Tsunade and Nawaki as members since they are of Uzumaki blood through their grandmother? [[User:Master Shannara|Master Shannara]] ([[User talk:Master Shannara|talk]]) August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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:I agree. What should be the preferable way of approaching this is mentioning that they are members of the clan in this article, but it shouldn't be in their articles. Karin probably has no clue about her origins, we don't know which one (if not both) of Nagato's parents are Uzumaki, and we know why Naruto has the last name Uzumaki.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:59, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
:Too distant and otherwise superseded by Senju. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:37, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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::Hey we do know that karin and Nagato are from the Uzumaki, but In tsunade's case her and Nawaki are related yes, but they aren't directly from the Uzumaki they have Senju background aswell, showing thatyes they may have a bit of Uzumaki for them, but If thier put on the Uzumaki page then they should be put on the Senju page am I right tso thats why remember karin and nagato are Uzumaki so yep--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 18:00, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
Too distant and otherwise superseded by Senju? That's sounds stupid unless the Senju were inbreeding with each other which is highly unlikely.[[User:Shade14|Shade14]] ([[User talk:Shade14|talk]]) 00:40, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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:::Yeah but how do we know that Nagato and Karin aren't in the same scenario as Tsunade and Nawaki? It was never stated how Nagato and Karin are related to the clan, we don't know which one of Nagato's parents come from the Clan. And we haven't even see Karin's parents. So who's to say they aren't related to the Clan in the same way Tsunade and Nawaki are? Ya know through a grandparent? {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 18:25, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
I agree with Shade14 one of their parents has Uzumaki blood which makes them members just like Nagato and Naruto.[[User:NoahUchiha|NoahUchiha]] ([[User talk:NoahUchiha|talk]]) 00:45, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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::::But the hair Is also a give away the Uzumaki are mostly the only people In Naruto that have distinct red or orange hair, showing that karin and nagato could be from the clan and they are but your right we don't know how they could be related but we know they are so you'd have to consult that with sysops mate--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 18:33, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
I also agree w/ Shade 14, they make a good point... I realise that I'm responding to events of last year, but I just want to make a contribution to this very informative, and complete wiki. {{:User:FatMan2539/sig2}} 05:18, August 24, 2011 (UTC) (hmmm. I should probably set up a sig)
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::::::Please add a space between our comments when posting next time, otherwise it looks like one huge group of text and it's difficult to read. Anyway, I don't wanna edit it and mess up anything, so I'll contact the Sysops about this. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 18:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
:\o/ looky at that random person walks in (who i just somehow know isn't gonna be a regular editor...), makes a comment, another random person less than 5 minutes later responds supporting him? wow. I mean what coincidence. [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 00:57, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
:Regardless, I kinda agree with them. They have at least one Uzumaki grandparent, that's not exactly distant. I just don't go ahead and add it because I think that things like these should be discussed first. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:44, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::Alrighty --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 18:40, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
Tsunade and Nawaki as far as we now had nothing to do with the clan, and I don't think their grandmother being from the clan makes automatically them members.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 02:03, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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I was under the impression, that based on what ShounenSuki said a while ago, that clan affiliation is based on the male parent. Given that the Uzumaki part for Tsunade and Nawaki is based on their maternal grandparent, they weren't listed.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:51, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:It is, or at least should be. That's why I mentioned that we didn't know which one of Nagato's parents were Uzumaki. It's under very rare circumstances that a male would take on their wife's clan name, such as if that clan were really high ranking. To date none of those examples have appeared in the series.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:55, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
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::True It may be a clan custom for all we know If a clan member marries a non clan member, but what should we do for Nawaki and Tsunade ?--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span>http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090302032849/naruto/images/thumb/8/8d/Senju_Symbol.svg/600px-Senju 18:58, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Those two can be linked to Senju. We don't know their parents, but we do know their parental grandfather he's important enough to shrug it and move on. The other Uzumaki members remain Uzumaki members due to be explicitly stated to be Uzumaki.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:09, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
It does seem odd that two people commented around the same time own a topic that has not been discussed for almost two months LOL. Just cause they have nothing to do with the clan doesn't doesn't make them members. If that's the case then Naruto and Nagato should not be a members because like Tsunade and Nawaki they have one parent who descends from the uzumaki. [[User:Reddju|Reddju]] ([[User talk:Reddju|talk]]) 03:28, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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Good thats sorted then--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 19:11, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
We learned out of the blue that Nagato was an Uzumaki, and there has never been any indication of that. As far as blood is concerned, Tsunade and Nawaki would be members. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:47, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
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But we don't know Tsunade and Nawaki's parents, what if their mom was the daughter of Hashirama and Mito? Then that would make him their maternal grandparent, and their paternal grandparents could possibly be from the Uzumaki clan, or any other clan, or not any clan at all. All I'm trying to say is that Nagato and Karin were only stated to be descendants of the Uzumaki Clan, as I said earlier, what if they were in the same scenario as Tsunade and Nawaki? What makes them any more worthy of being considered Uzumaki then Tsunade and Nawaki? {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 19:40, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:We don't need to know who Tsunade and Nawaki's parent's are, her grandfather was a Senju so it's immediately impossible for them to belong to the Uzumaki clan. Neither of them should have their clan as Uzumaki. Mention that they are descendants sure, but not in their infoboxes.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:51, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
:Except that is not actually how clans work. Generally speaking, you're never a member of more than one clan at a time. Of course, you can be a member of one clan and then marry into another clan, but that would mean losing the membership of the former clan.
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Maybe there needs to be a clear explanation of how clans/family names work.
:Adding all clans a character can claim descent from could become unwieldy and ridiculous. For a real-life example, I myself am a known descendent of over 130 different families. I only truly belong to one family, though.
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* Jane from House/Family/Clan X marries John from House/Family/Clan Y and has a child A.
:Tsunade and Nawaki might be descendent of the Uzumaki clan, but only (partially at least) through the female line and two generations past. There isn't a culture in the world that would consider them Uzumaki. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 01:25, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
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* A is A from House/Family/Clan Y with familial ties to X.
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** A is not a member of House/Family/Clan X, at least not directly.
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The field is asking us what clan Naruto for example belonged to. He was from the Namikaze Family (Minato's words, he never said clan, still you never know) with ties to the Uzumaki and just happening to use that last name due to circumstances. Persons who marry into another clan are the only ones that can hold allegiance to two clans, not offspring.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:28, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
::Funny, I was thinking about asking you this exact question. That would mean we have to remove Mito from the Uzumaki clan, because she married into the Senju clan? Or is she listed in both because Senju and Uzumaki themselves are related clans? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:36, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
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That explains that thank you for that cerez :) and could you answer my question on the Huga clan talkpage please --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 20:32, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
::Mito should stay. Not only was she a member of the Uzumaki clan before marrying Hashirama, her Uzumaki heritage is also very important to the story. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 01:41, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
::People need to remember that different cultures sometimes have different family structures. In Japanese culture it is Patrilineal, where descent is determined through the male. Tsundae and Nawaki aren't considered Uzumaki because Mito married into the Senju clan and thus the offspring is considered Senju. They are related but they aren't classified as Uzumaki, though we don't know if Tsundae and Nawaki are even Senju. They could be children of a female Senju.--[[User:Alastar 89|Alastar 89]] ([[User talk:Alastar 89|talk]]) 20:39, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
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Why can't they be Uzumaki if their grandfather is Senju? He's just the grandfather. And going by the whole explanation of clans/families above, that would mean if their mother was the daughter of Hashirama and Mito, and their father was from another clan. They should only be listed as their father's clan. See what I mean? Besides their last names have never been stated, so what if their last name is eventually revealed and it isn't even Senju? What if their last name was their father's and it was something completely different? And he came from another clan? Would they still be considered Senju then? This is what I meant by their parents are important. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 20:52, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
:::Say what? I dont remember ever seeing Narutos name as Naruto Namikaze. He clearly got his last name, and thus (at least acording to this wiki) membership of his clan from his mother not his father. The same also seems to be the case with Kiba, since his mother is clearly a member of Inuzuka, altough we do not know who his father is, so this can't be confirmed. --[[User:Cosmikaze|Cosmikaze]] ([[User talk:Cosmikaze|talk]]) 15:01, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
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I don't think those three should be removed. First of all, all three were explicitly called members of the Uzumaki clan, not just descendants, by Tobi, Kabuto, and Madara. Tsunade and Nawaki aren't considered Uzumaki because Mito married into the Senju clan. You can only be a member of one clan at the time, you're either born into it, or you marry into it. They're not listed as Uzumaki because Mito "became" a Senju when she married into it. Nagato and Karin only have Uzumaki as known ancestry. With Naruto, despite knowing that he got his mother's name instead of his father's, should still be listed as an Uzumaki because as far as we know, there simply isn't a Namikaze clan for Kushina to have married into, and even if she had, I also recall ShounenSuki explaining that men can marry into important clans without their wives losing the important clan name, as to keep the clan's name alive, something like that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
:: you need to remember that naruto's name would have indeed been naruto namikaze, if it was not for the fact that the leaf village was trying to hide his ancestry. as for the case of kiba- i don't think that applies here, although his mom is a female, shes also the presumed leader of the clan and due to ancient Japanese ancestry kiba will automatically inherit the name of the clan's leader by default <font color="Blue">Sor</font><font color="green">en</font>ita<font color="gold">x</font> --[[User:FlameKidRyuu (VII)|FlameKidRyuu (VII)]]
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:I agree with Omnibender on this one. Nagato and Karin were stated to be of the Uzumaki clan. Naruto is well, obvious.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:47, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
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::I think you guys might be right. Kabuto say she was from the Uzumaki directly and then in the frame that followed Nagato was drawn alongside the rest of them. That might actually be grounds enough to list them as Uzumaki. As for Naruto, I still don't think he should be an Uzumaki, it does hold true that men can marry into powerful clans as Shounensuki said, instead of taking a "no-name" but at the same time, there was no longer a clan structure for Minato to have married into, so I don't think that would have been the case for them. I think we just need to find a premise for adding people to clans in "exceptional"(?) cases like this one and stick to it. Once that's done we can have an explanation should others come thinking along these lines.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:57, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
I think this really bears discussing further. I don't see why Tsunade and Nawaki shouldn't be considered Uzumaki clan members just because they don't have the last name. They don't have the Senju last name either, but they're still considered members of that clan, and they have the same amount of Uzumaki and Senju blood. If it's a matter of not having grown up in Uzushiogakure, Naruto didn't either, but we list him as a member because he has the last name. Naruto is an Uzumaki through the female line as well and again, he's still considered Uzumaki. [[Special:Contributions/98.238.122.68|98.238.122.68]] ([[User talk:98.238.122.68|talk]]) 07:34, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
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Madara said "Mito's Clan" when they were talking with Kabuto about Naruto as the host of Kurama, tho Naruto himself never referred to himself as from a clan, nor anyone else commented on Naruto as belonging to the Uzumaki Clan, as it no longer exists. There are no other known living Uzumaki in the village of Konoha... In case Karin settles there tho, would that mean it's functional again tho?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:13, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
:It is not because they do not bear the name, it is because they're simply too distant down the line to be considered such. For example, you would be a member of the clan whose last name you have, associated with the one your mother has and barely related to the one your grandmother (who married into the family) is a part of. As for Kiba, we know nothing of his father.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:51, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
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:As a structure the clan no longer exists, but that's not what we're 'focusing' on. It's more of a name. Madara did in fact recognise Naruto as such but, that was only because of the last name. Nagato and Karin are basically a given, what we need to decide is whether or not Naruto should be given the same courtesy.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:57, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Nagato's Parents ==
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Sounds like a complex case to me T_T we need Shikamaru to figure this out \(._.)/ --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:08, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
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:I seriously don't see what is the problem with keeping Naruto as an Uzumaki. So what if he doesn't have red hair? Madara recognised the name as being from Mito's clan, you think he's going to reason "that child has no red hair, he must only be a descendent of the Uzumaki"? Again, if there had been a Namikaze clan, I'd be more willing not to list him as an Uzumaki, but as far as we know, there isn't one. Are we going to list Gaara, Sasori and Sasori's father as Uzumaki as well on red hair? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:23, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
In their article it states their affiliation with the Uzumaki Clan. However, I'm unable to add them (since trying to edit with form doesn't show the list of members), so could someone please add them?--[[User:Kagimizu|<font color="#0000FF">'''Kagi'''</font><font color="#FF0000">'''mizu'''</font>]]-[[User talk:Kagimizu|<font color="#008000">'''Seeya'''</font> <font color="#FFA500">''''round'''</font>]] 22:49, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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I understand what your trying to say omnibender and I agree but it's Just a noticeable trait that the uzumaki have (red hair) thats all Is It mentioned on the article If It's a trait?--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 21:29, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
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:Hair colour isn't a factor for me because I understand that red hair is a trait of the clan, not a constant. However, what I'm concerned about is whether or not we're going with the fact that the Namikaze were not a clan hence Naruto would literally belong to the Uzumaki or that because his father had another name whether or not he'd be considered a member. That's actually all that separates Naruto from Nawaki and Tsunade. Well that and a generation. Either decision is fine with me.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:02, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
Members aren't shown because they don't depend on things added to this page. It'll update itself automatically when [technical software explanation] happens. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:17, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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I don't get why was hair color brought up Omni but ok. It's irrelevant to this issue. Nagato and Karin might have been born into Uzumaki families. They aren't extincts by blood, perhaps smaller Uzumaki Clans exist all around the globe after their village's destruction. Tho Naruto wasn't born into a clan nor is a member of such clan since he has no relatives with his name nor there exist any in Konoha, not to mention his surname is more of a coverup.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:59, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
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His ''mother'' had the name Uzumaki and was a clan member. Did Sasuke cease to be an Uchiha after the massacre and for the years he lived alone without relatives? No. If we remove Naruto from the Uzumaki clan on that basis, we might as well remove Sasuke and Itachi too. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:11, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:Elveonora, it's one of two things as I said before:
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# Minato was not part of a clan hence he would or could have married into the Uzumaki clan (even without changing his name) and Naruto would automatically belong to his mother's clan since his father didn't have one.
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# Because his mother was married away, would he still be considered a member.
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Ignore the basis of extinction, because the Uzumaki aren't extinct, they're in hiding as far as we know; they could be breeding up like rabbits. I'm more inclined to go with option 1 since Minato said they were a family of shinobi and there's no mention of a Namikaze clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:52, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:this does not make any sense. Naruto does not look the slightest like an uzumaki. ALL members of the clan have red looking hair and good sealing skills. Naruto has none of these. Furthermore, he does resemble minato much more and his character and jutsu are just like that of his father. If an uzumaki stays an uzumaki even when one part of the parents does not belong to the clan, that would be the proof that naruto would be part of it too. I mean, just look at sasuke and itachi. their mother was not an original uchiha and yet they just show the typical uchiha standards. I think it is time to create a namikaze clan pahge, even when the only known members are just minato and naruto, but hey, look at juugos clan.[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 13:55, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Rinnegan ==
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::Jugo;s clan was stated to be a clan. There is no evidence that Minato had a clan.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:21, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:::It was never stated. All we have is that they have a power that lets them break loose and an image that is of no use at all since you can't recognise anybody. We don't even know the real name. "Juugo's clan", yeah, big deal. pfff
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:::anyway, as I've said earlier, if there is no clan page yet here then we should just create it.[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 15:11, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
Can we assume that the Rinnegan is, as the article's infobox says, an Uzumaki clan kekkei genkai? There is only one known ''descendant'' of the clan that has the Rinnegan (Nagato, obviously). Also, Madara clains to have given Nagato the Rinnegan. Clearly that is highly controversial, but I don't think we should dismiss the possibility. I think that, until confirmed, the Rinnegan should be removed from the Uzumaki Clan's kekkei genkai list. [[User:Abells92|Abells92]] ([[User talk:Abells92|talk]]) 23:32, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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Alright, I guess you guys make a fair point. No point in arguing about what clan Tsunade and Nawaki belong too when we can't even be 100% sure without knowing who their parents are. But as for the whole Naruto thing, this is interesting. Without us knowing whether Minato came from a clan or not, makes it difficult to decide whether Naruto would be considered a true Uzumaki clan member when he shows none of their signature traits except for his strong life force and healing abilities. Naruto nor anyone else even stated Naruto to be a true Uzumaki, he has familial ties to the Clan? Yes. But would he truly be considered a member of a Clan that no longer has any structure and was destroyed? And on top of that he doesn't seem to consider himself a member of the Clan. Even when Kushina was talking about her past and the Uzumaki Clan she said "my clan" she never said "our clan" to Naruto. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 15:35, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
I agree, Madara said he "gave" the rinnegan to him, so Nagato might not have been born with it.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 23:34, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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@79. ur logic is off, I will make a proper response to the other editors once I manage to process and swallow what you just wrote.
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EDIT: proper response incoming, a single individual doesn't make up a clan, nuff said--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:40, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:took you a long time to swallow I see! ;)[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 15:41, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
Yeah, I thnk Madara was somehow involved in certain time in his life, possibly when his parents were killed, or when Nagato used the Rinnegan to kill the shinobi who were threatening him. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 23:41, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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Well, at least you were a funny troll, you are already being missed, ciao--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:49, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:yeah, have a nice day! also, thanks for actually confessing to me, but I actually prefer you to be silent. ;)[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 15:52, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
We don't know the circumstances of that, it's unclear. From what we know, Madara could simply mean he was involved with the death of Nagato's parents, the event which awakened Nagato's Rinnegan. I added it to the infobox on the basis that one person having the kekkei genkai is enough to put it in the clan box, since only Hashirama had Wood Release, yet it is listed as a Senju kekkei genkai. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:47, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
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Folks let's take haku for example, his mother was from the yuki and passed on their ice element trait to him and because of that haku was recognised as part of the yuki when he was resurrected because only someone from that family could use ice element . The same goes for naruto and the traits he inherited from kushina. I think some of us look at the clan system as inbreeding(that both parents from same clan) and patrilineal that's why we have trouble assigning clans but i think a shinobi's membership to a clan isn't just based on which clan the father is apart but traits counts just like the haku's--[[User:Rayzur|Rayzur]] ([[User talk:Rayzur|talk]]) 23:11, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
:and what about the possibility that madara used one izangi to create the rinnegen within nagato? Or that the parent that he got it from was not the parent from the uzumaki clan? Gonna suggest that the rinnengan is not added to the clan infobox... [[Special:Contributions/74.236.92.133|74.236.92.133]] ([[User talk:74.236.92.133|talk]]) 00:47, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
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:Person's aren't recognised as being part of a clan because of the traits they inherited. Haku being a Yuki could be for the same reason Naruto is an Uzumki: their fathers have no clans for them to belong to. We generally have a very easy time assigning people to clans, the Uzumaki have been the only exception thus far, because their situation is confusing at best.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:38, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
::Those are possible explanations, but since we don't actually know what Madara did, all we can do is say that Nagato, as an Uzumaki clan member, had the Rinnegan. If they reveal later that there was a transplant of sorts, or something that means Nagato didn't naturally acquired the Rinnegan, we remove it from the box. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:18, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::I agree there's a lot of speculation around it stil. And it isn't exactly a clan technique since special conditions are required in order to possess the eyes...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 04:10, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::And a member of the clan still got it. Until we know the exact nature of what Madara meant by "giving Nagato the Rinnegan", it's an almost exact case as Wood Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:37, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Only reason senju has it is because the were called approx. "senju of the forrest" [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 23:40, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Didn't they get that nickname because Hashirama had the Wood Release? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:12, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Yes, but that's a good point. Part of the Senju's fame was because of wood release. The Rinnegan, as far as we know, has nothing to do with the Uzumaki's infamy. Listing it in the infobox because of one member would necessitate listing Konoha and Ame too, as at least one clansmen is affiliated with those villages. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:19, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
we do have a problem here with izanagi, it was said that the uchiha's refferd to it as a kinjutsu, does it mean it's another kekkei genkai to the list of the clan?
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Yeah i think minato not being from a clan (currently) does make naruto being an uzumaki much understandable but in the clans page it is stated that membership to a clan is based upon blood relations and genetics, so thats why i feel clan membership isn't solely based upon just patrilineal lines but in the end the uzumaki are a lost/dead clan so naruto at least is a descendant, i hope that makes everyone satisfied--[[User:Rayzur|Rayzur]] ([[User talk:Rayzur|talk]]) 11:11, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
i think that the rinnegan shouldn't be considered as a bloodline limit of the uzumaki clan, until it is proven otherwise, one user of a clan is not enough..even though hashirama senju is known as hashirama of the forest..
 
if we take it to considiration the izanagi is more appropriate to be listed as another kekkei genkai then the rinnegan and the wood release,there are to many doubts..
 
by the way, if the claims i raised here were allready mentioned,fell free to correct/delete this phrase.[[User:Shauli|Shauli]] ([[User talk:Shauli|talk]]) 10:23, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
Because of Nagato, we might as well keep the Rinnegan as "Kekkei Genkai" for the time being until the Rinnegan is explained in further detail. What's the harm? [[User Talk:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] Sept-17-10 3:00PM ETZ
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== Your edit ==
   
:Still, it appears to be a granted-kekkei genkai and not a clan jutsu. It wasn't even around when they were active as a clan. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 23:34, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
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How Is your edit relevant, Its fine but their's no need to say that they've resurfaced cerez O.O ?? --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999|Jean Daichou]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 20:46, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:This is not a talkpage first of all. Secondly, if you feel there's a better way to describe people that fled and went into hiding reappearing in the series, go right ahead an edit the article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:48, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
::I don't know about that. Nagato's about the same age as Kushina [if she hadn't died], maybe a little younger. And the Uzumaki were certainly still around at some point during her life.
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== missing references/false info ==
::Of course, I still don't think Nagato's having it merits giving the Rinnegan as the clan's kekkei genkai. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 23:55, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
From what I understood of the new Izanagi info, it was a jutsu that originally was used by the Sage of the Six through the Rinnegan. Because the Sharingan is an offshot if the Rinnegan, the Uchiha could also use Izanagi, but since they lacked the vitality of the Senju clan, it only worked "for the briefest of moments" and it blinded the eye of its user. Danzo could use it better because had ten Sharingan to blind, and Hashirama's cells, even if he didn't control it. Ten minutes worth of Izanagi isn't the briefest of moments. Madara could also use it longer because he "acquired the power of Hashirama", whatever that might mean. On listing Konoha and Ame, it wouldn't be necessary, since while Nagato is an Uzumaki, the survivors were scattered around the world, they were no longer settled in one village, plus, there was never any indication that Nagato even knew he was an Uzumaki. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:40, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
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Ok, can anyone link me chapter where it says something about longevity or vitality? The only trait of Uzumaki that there's reference for is life force--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:27, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:The part about longevity is on chapter 500, page 3. Not sure about the mention of vitality though. Is it not the same thing as powerful life force?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 17:32, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Fair enough, was just making sure as I forgot she said that, thank you a lot--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:47, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
   
Is it possible that the Rinnegan can be acquired if an Uzumaki is infused with Uchiha DNA but is able to control it fully, a similar case to getting Izanagi? It would explain why Madara said what he said about giving Nagato the Rinnegan, maybe he covertly experimented on his mother when she was pregnant or something. (It would also explain why Itachi gave Naruto a currently-unknown power. Kishimoto seems to have a soft spot for Doujutsu, so it wouldn't surprise me if Naruto temporarily -or even permanently- got the Rinnegan.) Note that these speculations are just for the sake of the conversation, I'm not proposing putting them in the main article. [[Special:Contributions/212.205.3.44|212.205.3.44]] ([[User talk:212.205.3.44|talk]]) 10:10, February 10, 2011 (UTC)ChrisD
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== "senju descendants" ==
It's a bit late for me to add any input about the Rinnegan being an Uzumaki kekkei genkai, but one thing to keep in mind about Madara's claim that he gave Nagato the Rinnegan is this... Madara's not a very reliable person, or his words aren't at least. He claimed that he had nothing to do with the fox attacking the village, after all.[[Special:Contributions/98.22.71.167|98.22.71.167]] ([[User talk:98.22.71.167|talk]]) 03:10, March 5, 2011 (UTC)Ryne
 
   
== the clan's symbol ==
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Now as you may know, we list it as such according to what Zetsu said in chapter 606. I assume we took it for granted from ms' translation, but according to one person, it doesn't specify the relation any further, meaning the descend part is wrong. Could anyone, best Seelentau (I know you are busy pal T_T) check this out?
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Well, this is in full what he wrote:
   
I think the clan's symbol is the one that is on the konoha shinobi uniforms(the red one)and until now we haven't seen any other symbols that are related to this clan so I suggest you add this icon for the clan but it's your choice. --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.152.197|94.183.152.197]] ([[User talk:94.183.152.197|talk]]) 09:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
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The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant. Lineage then in context means "blood relations"
   
agreed
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And if you apply logic and common sense, you would know that in terms of the coefficient of relationships in Genealogy, two clans who descended from the same common ancestor are considered "close relatives" not "distant relatives" which would contradict Kushina's statement, therefore, the Uzumakis '''did not descent from the Younger Son'''--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:42, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
   
:Then that settles it doesn't it?! --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 16:17, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
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:I did some of my own research out of curiosity a few weeks ago, trying to find out which exactly would have come first, because I never wanted to accept Uzumaki were descended, rather I (in my own desires) hope they came first. Of course, I say I did research (and didn't, really) toward that goal, but what I really did was simply find out if they were descended. And I found the same thing, that they were not descended, rather they were close relatives. Though I'm still hoping Uzumaki come to be the actual descendants, lol.--[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 22:51, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
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::If Seelentau or anyone confirms it to be true then it should be changed asap. Uchiha are distant relatives to the Senju, so are Uzumaki. For all we know, Uzumaki may be descendants of Sage of Six Paths' brother or something--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:03, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
   
I agree as well, for the time being we might as well use the Red Swirl as the clan symbol until explained otherwise. I mean, come one, like mentioned above that symbol has bee used to symbolize them enough to be considered the symbol [[User talk:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] Sept-17-10 3:00PM ETZ
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Uzumaki are still related to the Senju somehow, and more towards them than towards the Uchiha. Nagato has been identified as Uzumaki, and also as having Senju lineage when Zetsu first showed Obito. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:44, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
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:I don't know, you know more than an average person when it comes to biology and stuff, or not? How can someone come from the same lineage as Senju do, yet be distantly related to them? Humans and chimpanzees are cousins thus closely related, while gorillas are distantly related, second cousins let's say, monkeys even more so. The main point though is that Uzumaki may not be descendants of Senju, as [[Rinnegan]] article claims Nagato to be. Uzumaki may be humans and Senju chimpanzee (the former didn't develop from the latter), while Uchiha gorillas in this equation :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:45, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
   
: =O More confirmation! --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 19:06, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
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The way I currently understand it, the Uzumaki are an offshot of the Senju, becoming their own clan over time, simple as that, no convoluted explanation. They obviously remained aware they're related to the Senju, even though they became their own clan. They'd be considered distant if the split happened a very long time ago, but like I said, the clans remained aware of their relation to one another. Over time, certain characteristics would become signature Uzumaki, like long lifespan and red hair, specially if they married clan members. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:26, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
:Kushina states that it is the symbol of the village, not the clan.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 19:10, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== sage of the six path ==
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The way it seems though, the Senju clan appears to be the offshoot. Uzumaki clan traits seem to be more in line with the younger son than the Senju are. I wish Kishi would hurry up and clarify this so we wouldn't have to speculate which came before which. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 01:21, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
   
should we put in the trivia section that the uzumaki clan is related to the sage of the six path? for exemple nagato have the rinnegan and naruto new seal is similar to the six path appearence {{unsigned|67.201.181.142}}
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== Infobox image ==
:Nagato having the Rinnegan and Naruto's new seal resembling the Sage doesn't mean they're related to him. '''—[[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck''']] ''<sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup>'' 15:27, July 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
::They where distant relatives to the senju clan, so yes they are most likely related to the sage of six paths, but we can't confirm if this is in direct lineage of the senju ancestor of some third brother or a sibling or cousin of the sage himself, so i also suggest we leave it be. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 21:44, August 21, 2011 (UTC)Gojita
 
   
We don't know how or why or if Hashirama had to awaken the Wood Release for example. So whatever Kekkei Genkai that a clan member has should be listed in the Clan page even if its a exclusive for one member. So Sasuke's blaze release and The Rinnegan should be added to the Uchiha page, and the Rinnegan should be added to the Uzumaki page. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:38, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Dont you think that the image of Karin, Nagato and Kushina from Kabuto's talking about their healing factor would be a good choice for the image in the infobox here? --[[User:VolteMetalic|VolteMetalic]] ([[User talk:VolteMetalic|talk]]) 22:59, October 11, 2013 (UTC)
   
I added the Rinnegan since it has Shown up in at least one member of the clan, now a section needs to be made for it more specifically. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:44, October 26, 2011 (UTC) [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:42, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
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:Clan articles typically use the symbols associated with that clan.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:05, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
I won't re-add the information I added until it is confirmed just how Madara "gave" Nagato the Rinnegan, and depending on how it was "given" to him the information might not be put on at all. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 08:08, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
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::And using it other way? In most clan pages there is a shot of the members. These could be used as a proof that after the destruction of Uzushio the Uzumaki clan dispersed into all directions, with members living all over the world.--[[User:VolteMetalic|VolteMetalic]] ([[User talk:VolteMetalic|talk]]) 22:43, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
   
I'm sure we'll at least get answers on the EMS to Rinnegan next chapter, so we may have answers regarding Nagato soon as well. Don't overwork yourself. It would be a pain to spend a great deal of time applying information you believe is correct only fo find out tomorrow that it isn't. [[User:Ryne 91|Ryne 91]] ([[User talk:Ryne 91|talk]]) 08:20, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
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:::And that can be gathered from reading the article. As I stated, for most cases if a clan has a symbol that is whats used in their infobox.
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:::To add to this, using a picture of Karin, Nagato and Kushina wouldn't work for image of the Uzumaki clan because Kushina is the only one of the three that appears to even know the significance of the clan. Nagato's only relation to Naruto was that they were both students of Jiraiya, not that they were the same clan and it's possible Karin doesn't even know about her clan, considering she met an Uzumaki and made no connection. An infobox picture of the clan should have images of that clan, when they are actually a clan.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:39, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Besides there's already an image of several clan members and the then leader of the clan. I don't see what more we coil really need.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Vitality ==
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== kekkei genkai ==
   
Should something to the effect of "great vitality" be added as a unique ability to the pages of clan members? I mean, it does allow them to survive the removal of a Tailed Beast (maybe temporarily), which seems rather significant. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:45, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
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= chains... still nope? Unlikely to be Hiden cause she pulled it out her arse and Oro commented on it coming out.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:06, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== The Rinnegan ==
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:Kekkei Genkai, probably. Who knows. I'm hesitent to say yeah because you know...the whole [[Forum:Fact policy|fact issue]] thing going on now. /sigh Kishimoto doesn't make things easy does he.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:08, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why is there no mention or section for the Rinnegan on this page? Nagato is a noticeable member of the Clan who Unlocked the Rinnegan at a young age. The rinnegan should have a section here just as it has one on the Uchiha sharingan and Mangekyo page. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:23, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
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Well are all innate abilities kekkei genkai? '''NaviiGator''' ''('''A.K.A.'''KotoSenju)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 11:14, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
:Because there's nothing that really connects the Rinnegan to the Uzumaki clan. How Nagato managed to obtain the Rinnegan is still very much a mystery and likely involves Madara/Tobi and less than natural means.[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 08:17, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
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:I wouldn't say all, but Oro called it power not a technique.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
His point is most likely that whatever mean it was, it should be mentioned "one member of uzumaki clan managed to unlock the Rinnegan by unknown means"
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More opinions required, included expert's opinion of Mr. Seel--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:43, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
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:My opinion is Hiden yes, Kekkei Genkai no(t yet). The facts are Hiden unknown, Kekkei Genkai unknown. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 12:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
:With the possibility of "unnatural means" we cannot mention that. It'd mean that it could be done to anyone that meets certain criteria. We'll have to wait for more information to proceed on this point.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:50, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
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::Can a ninja magically learn a passed-down through speech and training technique of a clan on a battlefield tho? It's not like an adopted Nara would just one day start using shadow no jutsu. The only example of "learning from nowhere" is Neji, but his techniques were Kekkei Genkai so could have been figured out.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:32, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Neji technically didn't learn from no where. At least, logically he couldn't. He had to at least "see" the technique be used or read about it somewhere and then just genius-mode himself to learning it. Karin's case is fishy because up until now, she has never shown the ability to make chakra chains. In fact up until this point, only Kushina was thought to have used them.
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:::Orochimaru calling it a "power" (did he call it a power?) just adds more confusion to the mix because now I don't know if its an innate ability the Uzumaki can just do, a Hiden ability that is secret only to then, or a kekkei genkai that is a genetic ability only to them.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:35, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Considering Karin served as Oro's jailor for at least 3 years and he has commented on it being a new thing means he hadn't seen her use it before.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:49, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Which means it came out of her butt. Which doesn't make it any less confusing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:50, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
How the hell else did Madara obtain the ability to awaken the Rinnegan? By integrating Hashirama's cells. It is stated clearly in the latest chapters by Kabuto saying Madara got some of Hashirama's DNA resulting in Madara looking at the skin under his shirt. Lets not play dumb you all know very well what that is, and it is UNNATURAL means. So is the Eternal Mangekyo since it is awakened by taking a Siblings eyes, which again, is NOT NATURAL. Yet the Eternal Mangekyo and The Rinnegan are still placed on the Uchiha Page. It is biased and childish not to mention it on the Uzumaki page. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:15, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
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Only Kekkei Genkai come outta the butt in my book. Also since when is there a difference between "innate ability" and bloodline limit? In my book both are thanks to genetics unique to specific individuals, the only difference being the former isn't named because it isn't too obvious and major for it to get a name while the latter is named--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:13, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
:The Rinnegan is not on the Uchiha's page as a clan's dōjutsu and there is way more information available on what's going on with Madara as opposed to Nagato. In time all the information will be represented here so calm down.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 12:03, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
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:Innate ability can also just be something that is based off clan. For example, the Aburame clan have an "innate" ability to have those bugs, because those bugs end up in their bodies at birth. Meanwhile the Uchiha have the innate ability to have the Sharinagan because lawlsause. ALso [[Forum:Fact policy|this.]]--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Sage of the Six Paths ==
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Omni sensei, Cerez? :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:34, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:It's veering closer to kekkei genkai territory in my opinion, but it's still something too loosely defined. The lack of a kekkei genkai-like description of name also works against it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:52, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why is he not listed as their ancestor ?
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==Uzumaki's Origins==
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:13, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
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Due to the term and article "Reincarnation" and the fact that Indra and Asura only reincarnate into their descendants and only them, would it be irrational to state in the Uzumaki Clan article that this clan "originated from the Senju clan, but how is unknown" or something like that? Not only does Naruto being from the Uzumaki Clan ''and'' a reincarnation of Asura --the Senju clan's ancestor-- prove this, but Nagato being of the Senju lineage proves this as well (I mean if you go the Rinnegan article, the phrase "Senju lineage" is linked to this article, unless you guys believe that's wrong and should be edited). I'm not trying to say that Asura is also the ancestor of the Uzumaki or that Naruto and Nagato are both from the Senju clan, but I think it's plausible to state that the Uzumaki originated from the Senju, alongside the fact that they are distant blood relatives. It just means that Senju blood flows through the Uzumaki's veins, since the Senju existed first. So what do you all think? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 20:31, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
:Because manga never said he was their ancestor. It is possible for the Uzumaki to be relate to the Uzumaki without them having the Sage as a common ancestor you know. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:17, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
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:You didn't say anything new, that's a known fact that Uzumaki are an offshot of Senju--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:35, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
They are said to be distantly related to Senju, thus they share the ancestor.
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So you're fine with [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uzumaki_Clan?diff=897148&oldid=888400 this]? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 22:14, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
Arguing over if they originate directly from the Sage or just through possible inbreeding with Senju from some point on won't help since we don't know that, right ...
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:It's common knowledge that Uzumaki are an offshot Senju, it was already stated in the article.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:28, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
Still, it's an ancestor.
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Whoa whoa whoa Hagoromo has Red hair and etc so we don't know which actually came from since Fuinjutsu came first that's for Uzumaki and etc the body etc senju+uzumaki but we can't say the Uzumaki originated from a clan that hasnt been confirmed I mean all they said was "The uzumaki and senju was once distant relatives." Or "Uzumaki was great distance of the senju." We still don't know so I vote we don't say they originated from them. [[User:HagoromoOtsutsuki|Hagoromo Otsutsuki]]''''' [[File:rinnegan.svg|18px|link=User talk:HagoromoOtsutsuki]] 15:32, August 2, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 03:03, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
:They can have a common ancestor that's not the Sage, plain and simple. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:36, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Regenerative/Healing Powers ==
 
 
Was it stated in databook that Naruto's regeneration is due to Kurama or it was just in manga from Kakashi's assumption like Rinnegan is a mutation and Sharingan came from Byakugan ?
 
I mean, character's opinions are not fact, and since all known hosts of Kurama are from Uzumaki Clan, I think it's likely their powers were mistaken for Kurama's.
 
Actually Kurama's chakra is quite the opposite of regeneration.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:31, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Kakashi, Kabuto, Jiraiya and Fukasaku have stated that. It's a part of the whole Tailed Beast protecting its host thing. No Uzumaki has shown the ability to heal themselves in that way, or was said to be able to. Just because Kurama can harm Nartuto with its chakra doesn't mean it can't do the opposite to protect itself.[[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:34, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No other beasts were shown healing their host if I remember well.
 
Could not it be that Kurama's chakra enhances Naruto's Uzumaki Clan Healing Power ?
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:42, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Introducing a massive amount of chakra into someone tends to heal them, a la Samehada healing Kisame when he was fighting B. Speaking of B, his skin was shown to have been incinerated when he fully transformed into Gyuki, yet he was fine when he emerged from the tentacle. could be a special ability Kurama has. In any case, I don't see why we should think that since 4 or more characters said it was Kurama doing it. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No other beast was ever shown to take control of their host while they slept, or create ink or slime. They're unique animals with unique skills.I've never seen Naruto display impressive healing abilities akin to that of Karin's. Not because Karin has the ability to heal means that it's an Uzumaki skill. We might as well drop in Mind's Eye of the Kagura and say they all have the Rinnegan as well. Naruto was without the fox for half a day in his life. How exactly are you going to be able to judge what is his power separate from that of the fox? Things can be changed when more information is available.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 16:48, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I see, thanks.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:48, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Well, when Orochimaru blocked access to Kurama's chakra during Chunin Exams, after his fight with Kiba he used the ointment from Hinata.
 
His wound healed and Naruto assumed it works like magic and Kakashi it was due to Kurama's chakra.
 
But it was apparently not due to the ointment and could not be due to Kurama as well at that time.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:01, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Naruto still had Kurama's chakra. It's not like Orochimaru's seal sucked away all of the chakra that had mixed with Naruto's over the years. It's definitely because of Kurama. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:27, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Actually, we simply can't distinguish between Naruto's healing powers, and the Kyubi's healing powers. It's currently fact that Gaara's mother protected him (and not Shukaku). There is also the knowledge that a Tailed Beast could resurrect itself after being killed alongside its host, which means that a Tailed Beast doesn't have to care about the health of its host. With Karin now being confirmed as an Uzumaki, the manga is seeding some doubts about Naruto's healing ability. Common sense says that it helps to achieve a long life if you have some sort of advanced healing ability, so it's not much of a stretch for Uzumaki to have such an ability. But this might be something akin to Kushina's chakra chains; i.e. something uncommon (but not unique) among members of the Uzumaki clan. Only their "life force" and red hair are confirmed to be traits of all Uzumaki up to this point. But with their relevancy to the plot... who knows what will happen next. All in all, it's a distinct possibility that Naruto's latent ability is strengthened by the Kyubi's chakra mixing with Naruto's chakra.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 23:19, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:So why exactly would they want to die and then reformed? Wouldn't tailed beasts simply use the opportunities that they got to go berserk and kill their hosts then be reborn free? There are negative side effects.
 
:As for commons sense telling you that to live long you need some super-amazing healing ability- that is fodder. People live a long time in the real world without such things. In any case you could assume that's what the strong life-force was for.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 23:26, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Learn to read! I questioned the statement in this thread that a Tailed Beast cares about the health of its host. Now that we know that a Tailed Beast can get resurrected, a Tailed Beast can do whatever it desires.
 
::Second, I said it '''helps''' achieve a long life when you have an advanced healing ability. And for your information, people achieve a long life (on average) precisely because of good health care.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 00:18, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Read? What is that? You said that a tailed beast doesn't care about its host referencing the fact that they could simply regenerate after some time. I asked why wouldn't they just kill their hosts if they didn't care. I never refuted that it didn't help but you're clutching to straws linking all Uzumaki to having strong healing abilities when they could have simply had good health care. Learn to stop being such a div.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 00:28, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::It's annoying when someone doesn't bother to read what's actually written! I said that a Tailed Beast '''doesn't have to care''' about the health of its host. I clarified it...and you're still arguing!
 
::::And I never actually linked ''all Uzumaki to having strong healing abilities''. I wrote that the manga is seeding doubts; that it's a possibility; and that it cannot be generalised.
 
::::And I'm done arguing with you.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 01:01, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Uzumaki Possibly related to sensory techniques? ==
 
 
I think its worth mentioning that so every Uzumaki clan member that has been shown ( with the exception of kushina) extensively has an ability to use sensory techniques in the trivia. Not only is this true, but it seems as if each technique is above par of most normal methods of sensing
 
 
<nowiki>(Mito- Negative emotion sensing)
 
(Naruto - Negative Emotion sensing)
 
(Karin- Mind's eye of Kagura)
 
(Nagato- Chakra rain sensing technique)
 
(Uzumaki Leader- Hey, Giant Lizards don't Magically spawn in front of you ;-D
 
)</nowiki>{{unsigned|50.133.8.59}}
 
:Naruto and Mito's sensing is conditional. It's because of Kurama. This is junk trivia.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:13, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
But if their abilities come from Kurama, then why didn't Kushina( whom also mastered the nine tails) receive the ability also? Mito was never shown to have a mastery over kurama ( it was just assumed). i think that the negative emotion sensing is an latent ability possessed by uzumaki members, and just happens to awaken and get more powerful when that person is a jinchuriki. I guess it depends on how you look at the situation, we'll just have to get more replies to see.
 
[[Special:Contributions/50.133.8.59|50.133.8.59]] ([[User talk:50.133.8.59|talk]]) 18:23, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No. The Uzumaki have never been said to have anything special to do with sensory abilities. Heck, 2 of the 3 can only sense while in a special mode. So no. "o.o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:26, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Because everyone is not the same. We were never told what abilities Kushina gained from having Kurama sealed within her. Also, it'd be good to note that neither Kushina no Mito were said to have "mastered" Kurama, instead, they were able to seemingly subdue the beast completely while it was sealed within them. You're clutching at straws.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:29, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Except for their "life force" (or whatever the precise translation is), we don't know anything Uzumaki clan abilities---genetically speaking that is. We do know they specialised in sealing (which might just be Uzumaki trying to prevent boredom in their long lives, for all we know :-p ). Anyway, it's not that much of a stretch to connect their own "life force" with the ability to detect "life". And to be technical, Naruto's version of sensing negative emotions is very different from Mito's (unless we are told that Mito was able to do Kyubi Chakra Mode). Unfortunately, this might just be another case of a certain percentage of Uzumaki ninja having unique abilities (like Kushina and her chakra chains), which means it can't be generalised to the clan as a whole. <s>Which raises an interesting question: Where the Uzumaki clan exterminated just for their sealing prowess? Or where they also exterminated for the wide range of unique genetic abilities some of their members where born with?</s>--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 22:33, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So ? :D
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:16, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Uhm, so why haven't Senju who are also stated to have been blessed with extraordinary life forces not possess the same sensory abilities? To be technical, I'm not entirely sure how it is that you can say Mito and Naruto's abilities are different when we know nothing of Mito's abilities where Kurama's influence is concerned.
 
:Again that bit about them having unique genetic abilities where is that coming from? With the exception of Kushina whose chakra was special and Karin's [[Mind's Eye of the Kagura]], the other members haven't shown "wide range of genetic abilities". I really don't see why people read into stuff so much.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:27, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Sorry, that second bit was me being confused. I stated that we didn't know anything about the Uzumaki clan's genetic abilities...and then pondered whether they were killed because of it. I've put it in strike-through now.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 17:00, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
- Mito, sensor due to Kurama
 
- Kushina, longevity/durability
 
- Karin, sensor and healing stuff
 
- Naruto, sensor in both Sage and Rikudo modes and healing stuff
 
Must be some connection there.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:18, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I don't see a connection with any of those though. All three except Karin have been jinchuriki of the same beast- it's not uncommon for hosts to gain additional abilities from the beast being sealed inside them and logivity/durability is possessed by all Uzumaki.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 23:32, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
There is no connection between the Uzumaki and sensing as the series has said or implied thus far. 2 of the 4 known Uzumaki that are know to be able to sense chakra do so through the Sage Mode and Kurama's power. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 03:42, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I like how you said "thus far". Fans do realise that the author is giving himself options. Unfortunately, some people are jumping to conclusions.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 17:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Regarding [[Negative Emotions Sensing]]. The only Uzumaki we know are special...which makes it too easy to generalise it too the whole clan. But the same argument also goes for the Uzumaki Jinchuriki...besides all three having Uzumaki blood, they all have the Kyubi in common. That doesn't mean that all their abilities are related to the Kyubi in the same way (if at all related to the Kyubi). Mito's seal was different from Naruto's, as Minato designed his. When sealed inside Naruto, the Kyubi only had his yang chakra. It is unknown whether Mito tamed the Kyubi like Naruto did. The logical conclusion is that [[Negative Emotions Sensing]] is also different, despite the fact that it achieves the same result. A few people in this thread seem to view it as the same technique, while it hasn't even gotten an official name, so...until then it is just as generic as the [[Chakra Sensing Technique]].
 
 
But...even if Mito, Nagato, Karin and Naruto display extraordinary sensor abilities, that cannot be generalised to the whole clan. Especially when the intuitive connection between ''life-force and healing''; and ''life-force and sensing life'' only exists in the English language and not necessarily in the Japanese language. It is fun to speculate though. Especially when the author has this habit of foreshadowing, then backing off...only to have to retcon his foreshadowing. LOL--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 17:38, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Uzumaki Healing? ==
 
 
The recent chapter, as Kabuto explains having immitated the powers of the Uzumaki after examining Karin, going into detail particularly of their 'strong life-force', we see his tail, which was split in two, begin to heal back together. Is this a suggestion that maybe the Uzumaki have a natural accelerated healing rate? And if so, is this enough evidence to support that maybe Naruto's healing isn't (at least not entirely) an effect of the fox's chakra? [[Special:Contributions/184.57.195.244|184.57.195.244]] ([[User talk:184.57.195.244|talk]]) 22:45, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:[[#Regenerative/Healing Powers]]. More than likely the strong life force is linked to her healing abilities. However, that does not mean it's an ability of every Uzumaki.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 23:16, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Four Symbols Seal ==
 
 
According to the article for the seal, it is only based off of Uzumaki sealing techniques, not necessarily one of the clan's techniques itself. Or did I miss something? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:03, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I don't think you missed anything. At the same time, it's the closest thing to the legendary sealing techniques of the Uzumaki clan. I assume that's why it's there.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 17:42, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I remember being part of this. There's probably a ShounenSuki translation somewhere either in one of my archives or one of his. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:26, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Uzumaki Symbol ==
 
 
I think the Uzumaki Symbol should be changed from the color red to blue.
 
As I was looking through more Uzumaki things, I saw the picture of the Uzumaki and Senju clan standing next to each other. If you observe the pic, it is pretty clear that the color of the Uzumaki Symbol in the back is Blue instead of Red, so should it be changed?
 
[[Special:Contributions/24.183.38.242|24.183.38.242]] ([[User talk:24.183.38.242|talk]]) 19:43, June 19, 2012 (UTC) JiraiyaSenpai
 
:Where did you see a coloured scan of the Uzumaki symbol?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:08, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::[[:File:Uzumaki-Senju_clans.png|This is the image]]. I dont really know how to respond on this wiki page...using edit if thats how it is -wiki noob- {{Unsigned|24.183.38.242}}
 
 
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<sup>(edit conflict)</sup> That's fine. But that isn't the symbol of the Uzumaki clan but Uzushiogakure. The symbol wasn't taken as confirmed until chapter 568 where it was behind Mito and Kushina even though it's [[:File:Mito and Kushina.png|hung over Mito's bed]] when Kishina had her flashback and such. They coloured the symbol wrong or it's just night and it looks dark. Kishimoto's always coloured that symbol red or at least has a tendency to colour all swirls red.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:42, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Ah, I see ^^ Thankyou for clearing that up[[Special:Contributions/24.183.38.242|24.183.38.242]] ([[User talk:24.183.38.242|talk]]) 22:11, June 19, 2012 (UTC)JiraiyaSenpai
 
 
== the uzumaki kekkei genkai.... ==
 
 
i think we should go ahead and put that the uzumaki kekkei genkai is the ability to live after a tailed beast exstraction as u can only live from it if u are an uzumaki so it should be resiliance or endurace? but still they do have one and it cant be dismissed {{unsigned|108.1.201.38}}
 
:we don't know if it's a kekkei genkai, it was never stated. So we won't come up with it.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.242.181|94.135.242.181]] ([[User talk:94.135.242.181|talk]]) 10:19, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Erm... What makes you think its a [[Kekkei Genkai]]? Anyways, unless stated it won't be added.''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:black;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:18, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Pretty sure that Uzumaki have a KKG, or even more than one. It's just not something named. Foe example Hyuga were stated to have more KKG than Byakugan if I remember correctly, likely refers to their talent with tenketsu manipulation--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:11, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Just because a ninja family is a clan doesn't mean it has a kekkei Genkai. It could soley mean that they know special jutsu unique to their family that were passed orally like the ino-shika-cho clans' or the Aburame clan's. - Erik {{unsigned|107.15.180.155}}
 
 
We have absolutely no proof to say the Uzumaki have a Kekkei Genkai. I mean judging by that logic then we should add that the Uchiha's powerful Chakra and battle prowess or the Sarutobi Clan members obvious skill for using high ranked Techniques with little effort are Kekkei Genkai, even though we have no reason to say so other than the fact that they have goof genes.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 19:41, January 8, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
 
That's what KKG is, unique genes being passed down through generations, it doesn't have to be named.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:54, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Not everything people do are kekkei genkai. To my knowledge, they've shown nothing that's a kekkei genkai if you strictly adhere to what the phrase means. Loosely, the only thing the clan's inherited is a powerful life force which is not considered a kekkei genkai.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:09, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Exactly. It's not an ability or Technique. It's simply a physical trait.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 20:51, January 8, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
 
That's what I refer to as KKG. Something being unique to a group of individuals that's being passed down is genetic trait... they don't need to have 6 arms of 3 eyes. I mean, they don't have any named or known bloodline limit, but vitality and strong life force are something every Uzumaki possess, nope?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:06, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Do we really know that about every member of the clan? what about Nagato's parents? Anyway, it was never stated to be a KKG, so I don't think we should label it as such. Otherwise, we would have to go through almost every clan and add unnamed KKG's, since every one of them has some kind of special power.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 10:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, I'm also against such thing. Was just stating the obvious. They have special powers, but they aren't something solid or named--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:15, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I was never saying things like life force and vitality (same thing) should be listed as a kekkei genkai by the way, that was just indulgence on my part with Elveonora. It is possible that the clan has a kekkei genkai or a person does, but to our knowledge, none have legitimately possessed any such thing.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:45, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra Reserves ==
 
 
I already added this to the page, but why wasn't the massive chakra reserves put on as another thing gained by Uzamaki trait? It was stated quite a few times throughout the anime/manga. Naruto is a great example of this, and the other members of the clan don't seem to be lacking in chakra, either. (Nagato especially) [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 02:40, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
{{Quote|The members of the Uzumaki clan possessed both incredible longevity and life force}} Is that what you're referring to?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:04, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That doesn't quite cover what it means. Longevity and life force don't relate to chakra. The longevity means they have great stamina and life force means they are much more resistant to death, as seen by kushina. They have massive chakra reserves. That means they can use many many more jutsu with less strain on their body. Oh, also why didn't my change stay? did someone change it back or does it have to go through something before it sticks? [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 03:30, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
: It got changed back because the discussion hasn't reached a concensous.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 03:53, February 4, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
oh ok so its pointless to put stuff on there until people start agreeing on it in the topic questions? ok that makes sense thanks. thats probably why there is no stupid stuff on any of these pages. but anyways back to the question. yeah they are different so shouldn't the chakra part be added? [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 05:44, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
: Big or controversial things are first talked 'bout on 'tha talk pages first, so as 'ta avoid edit wars and spam. 'Tha's 'tha point 'a talk pages in 'tha first place.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 06:03, February 4, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
::Okay so longevity means they can live for however long and life force has to do with stamina (and some other stuff possibly). Where was it ever stated though, that Uzumaki had great chakra reserves? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:12, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::: AFAIK, nowhere.--'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="font-family:Blackadder ITC; font-size:1.5em; color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C; font-family:Blackadder ITC; font-size:1.5em;">Supreme</span>]]''' 14:25, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I always thought life force = chakra--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:24, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
It was never stated by someone but it seems like a fairly obvious trait by using examples. Naruto has an incredible amount of chakra on his own. Nagato was an Uzumaki, and he quite obviously had high amounts of chakra as well. Though not much is known of her, Mito was also noted to be a strong ninja and had the capabilities to seal the nine tails into herself. The amount of chakra seems to be fairly genetic, as most Uchiha have decent chakra reserves as well. I would assume that it is passed by the genes because of my examples listed. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:42, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
 
This is just me trying to get more people in the conversation. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:25, February 5, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
::This is one of those cases where it'd have to actually be said that they have it. Naruto has a seal that has been freely mixing his and a tailed beasts chakra. Nagato did have a large reserve, and what Mito did was "inhuman"? but we still don't know that it's a family thing.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:44, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well, I agree, I don't remember large chakra reserves being ever mentioned. But isn't lifeforce chakra? That means = strong chakra, right?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:28, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Chakra and life force are different. Senju inherited strong life force and Uchiha inherited strong chakra. Would it be worth creating an article on life force, since it has come up quite a few times?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 22:27, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Kishi never explained what Life Force is, googling life force brings up articles about chakra and physical but MOSTLY spiritual energies ._. Source of life in Naruto is chakra, once it's gone, a person dies, thus life force sounds like chakra to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:19, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'm going to try to explain the difference, but I'm not sure how well I'll do. I'll just use an example. There is a clear difference between the two because Chiyo uses a reanimation jutsu where she transfers her life force into others. If it was just chakra, theres a decent chance that she would not die. But since she uses her own life force, the thing that keeps people alive, she transferred such a large amount to Gaara to bring him back to life that she died. Yes, using all of your chakra would kill you, but thats because it is so close to the internal organs that without it, your body would no longer function. I hope this somewhat clarifies the difference. Oh, and since it was not actually mentioned, will the chakra reserve thing not be allowed on the page? As a compromise, do you think it could go somewhere less important, like trivia? Like put "it is possible that... " [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 23:34, February 6, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
 
It's strange, but it would appear that chakra, life force, and a soul are separate concepts, but all equally required to live. Techniques like Rinne Tensei and Kabuto's Muki Tensei deal specifically in life force, rather than chakra. So it would seem that all living things have life force, which can be expended to some extent, and the "strength" of one's life force is dependent upon their genetics, hence Hashirama and Orochimaru's life force being superior to most.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 01:09, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
This is more of a general question for all pages, but are examples good enough to change things? If fact is required, then this shouldn't be added, but if examples are allowed as fact, then it should be put on the page. One of the main dissents of adding this has also been that life force and chakra are the same thing, but since they are not, this has a better chance of being placed on the page. So, opinions? [[User:Adam10003|Adam10003]] ([[User talk:Adam10003|talk]]) 23:06, February 9, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
 
== Symbol as of 618 ==
 
 
So, as of chapter 618, it appears that the clan symbol and the village symbol are actually the same. Does anyone disagree with uploading the village symbol as a new revision of the clan symbol? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:56, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The red swirl is fine on the Uzumaki clan page, but replace the village symbol on the Uzushiogakure page with the clan symbol. Since The Uzumaki were pretty much in charge of the village.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 23:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The current Uzumaki symbol has that outer ring. I believe it came from a panel which featured Mito, and those were in the background with that colour in the spiral and the outer ring. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:29, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That outer ring doesn't seem to actually be part of the symbol, but a complement to it. I remember seeing something like that around an Uchiha clan symbol before. Can't remember from where. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 23:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
EDIT: Also, every time the symbol is seen, its without the symbol. Take the samurai outfits on the 616 cover for example. Both Sasuke and Naruto have Their clan symbols on them, with Naruto's all over the place. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 23:58, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The arrows were a bit different in the manga but I think we need to remove the outer ring that we currently have for more accourate depiction. I also think that maybe the symbol should be white(?)/have no colour to match all the other descriptions. It seems like the village's symbol was the red one.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Just leave the red swirl on th oage as it is.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 01:35, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
[[:File:Chapter 175.jpg|Uzumaki and Uchiha symbols]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 08:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:That's the ticket Gobby. That's part of the reason why I think the Uzumaki symbol should be white, and not red. Apart from that, it was said that Konoha has the symbol of Uzushiogakure on their uniforms, and that's red.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:00, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Thing is, village symbols have never had colour. They're just the design. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Ah, true, I was just going based off the colour on the Konoha-nin shoulder markings. Not too sure how the Uzushiogakure people made the distinction really. So basically I mean we use [[:File:Uzumaki clan's symbol.svg|this]] for the village (needs to be renamed -.-") and [[:File:Uzushiogakure Symbol.svg|this]] for the clan? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:27, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::As far as I understand, I think Uzushio symbol stays as it is, and we either redirect the Uzumaki clan symbol into it (similar to how we use redirects so Shisui's MS shows up in Danzō's and the crow's infobox), or we upload the current Uzushio symbol as a new revision of the Uzumaki symbol. No idea on what happens regarding the colour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:38, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Colour was just kind of a "differentiator" to me. We wouldn't mention that one is red or anything like that of course, but if you think it's the safer bet just to use the one we use on Uzushiogakure's article now for everything, I have no qualms with that either.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:19, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
I still go by replacing current Uzumaki symbol with Uzushio symbol. Just uploading that as a new revision should do the trick. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:33, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:So the same colourless one for them both? Don't think the filename needs to be change the file-name, people shouldn't concern themselves with that so much. I thought it'd be a good fit to add the red symbol for Uzushio, but we do need to get a move on this.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
::For some reason, I'm not being able to save the svg file to my computer to reupload it on top of the current Uzumaki symbol. Anyone with better luck out there? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:01, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::[[:File:Uzumaki_Symbol.svg|This]] is what you meant right? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:18, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::That's the one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:25, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 

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So, as of chapter 618, it appears that the clan symbol and the village symbol are actually the same. Does anyone disagree with uploading the village symbol as a new revision of the clan symbol? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:56, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

The red swirl is fine on the Uzumaki clan page, but replace the village symbol on the Uzushiogakure page with the clan symbol. Since The Uzumaki were pretty much in charge of the village.--Itachi7000 (talk) 23:09, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

The current Uzumaki symbol has that outer ring. I believe it came from a panel which featured Mito, and those were in the background with that colour in the spiral and the outer ring. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:29, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

That outer ring doesn't seem to actually be part of the symbol, but a complement to it. I remember seeing something like that around an Uchiha clan symbol before. Can't remember from where. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 23:52, January 30, 2013 (UTC) EDIT: Also, every time the symbol is seen, its without the symbol. Take the samurai outfits on the 616 cover for example. Both Sasuke and Naruto have Their clan symbols on them, with Naruto's all over the place. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 23:58, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

The arrows were a bit different in the manga but I think we need to remove the outer ring that we currently have for more accourate depiction. I also think that maybe the symbol should be white(?)/have no colour to match all the other descriptions. It seems like the village's symbol was the red one.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 01:25, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Just leave the red swirl on th oage as it is.--Itachi7000 (talk) 01:35, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Uzumaki and Uchiha symbols. --The Goblin 08:37, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

That's the ticket Gobby. That's part of the reason why I think the Uzumaki symbol should be white, and not red. Apart from that, it was said that Konoha has the symbol of Uzushiogakure on their uniforms, and that's red.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:00, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
Thing is, village symbols have never had colour. They're just the design. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:30, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, true, I was just going based off the colour on the Konoha-nin shoulder markings. Not too sure how the Uzushiogakure people made the distinction really. So basically I mean we use this for the village (needs to be renamed -.-") and this for the clan? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:27, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
As far as I understand, I think Uzushio symbol stays as it is, and we either redirect the Uzumaki clan symbol into it (similar to how we use redirects so Shisui's MS shows up in Danzō's and the crow's infobox), or we upload the current Uzushio symbol as a new revision of the Uzumaki symbol. No idea on what happens regarding the colour. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:38, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Colour was just kind of a "differentiator" to me. We wouldn't mention that one is red or anything like that of course, but if you think it's the safer bet just to use the one we use on Uzushiogakure's article now for everything, I have no qualms with that either.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 12:19, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

I still go by replacing current Uzumaki symbol with Uzushio symbol. Just uploading that as a new revision should do the trick. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:33, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

So the same colourless one for them both? Don't think the filename needs to be change the file-name, people shouldn't concern themselves with that so much. I thought it'd be a good fit to add the red symbol for Uzushio, but we do need to get a move on this.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 07:09, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
For some reason, I'm not being able to save the svg file to my computer to reupload it on top of the current Uzumaki symbol. Anyone with better luck out there? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:01, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
This is what you meant right? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:18, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
That's the one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:25, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

As shown in the photo with Uzumaki Leader and Hashirama, the clan symbol is a weird light blue. The village symbols are colorless. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:54, June 9, 2013 (UTC)


Known Members Edit

Why are Naruto, Nagato, and Karin all listed as Uzumaki members but Tsunade and Nawaki aren't? They are all descendants of the Uzumaki Clan so they should all be listed, we don't know exactly how Nagato and Karin are related to the Clan, other then they were stated too, however, we know exactly how Tsunade and Nawaki are related to the Clan. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 17:41, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. What should be the preferable way of approaching this is mentioning that they are members of the clan in this article, but it shouldn't be in their articles. Karin probably has no clue about her origins, we don't know which one (if not both) of Nagato's parents are Uzumaki, and we know why Naruto has the last name Uzumaki.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 17:59, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Hey we do know that karin and Nagato are from the Uzumaki, but In tsunade's case her and Nawaki are related yes, but they aren't directly from the Uzumaki they have Senju background aswell, showing thatyes they may have a bit of Uzumaki for them, but If thier put on the Uzumaki page then they should be put on the Senju page am I right tso thats why remember karin and nagato are Uzumaki so yep--Jean DaichouLoves Naruto 18:00, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah but how do we know that Nagato and Karin aren't in the same scenario as Tsunade and Nawaki? It was never stated how Nagato and Karin are related to the clan, we don't know which one of Nagato's parents come from the Clan. And we haven't even see Karin's parents. So who's to say they aren't related to the Clan in the same way Tsunade and Nawaki are? Ya know through a grandparent? {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 18:25, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
But the hair Is also a give away the Uzumaki are mostly the only people In Naruto that have distinct red or orange hair, showing that karin and nagato could be from the clan and they are but your right we don't know how they could be related but we know they are so you'd have to consult that with sysops mate--Jean DaichouLoves Naruto 18:33, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Please add a space between our comments when posting next time, otherwise it looks like one huge group of text and it's difficult to read. Anyway, I don't wanna edit it and mess up anything, so I'll contact the Sysops about this. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 18:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Alrighty --Jean DaichouLoves Naruto 18:40, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I was under the impression, that based on what ShounenSuki said a while ago, that clan affiliation is based on the male parent. Given that the Uzumaki part for Tsunade and Nawaki is based on their maternal grandparent, they weren't listed.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:51, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

It is, or at least should be. That's why I mentioned that we didn't know which one of Nagato's parents were Uzumaki. It's under very rare circumstances that a male would take on their wife's clan name, such as if that clan were really high ranking. To date none of those examples have appeared in the series.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 18:55, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
True It may be a clan custom for all we know If a clan member marries a non clan member, but what should we do for Nawaki and Tsunade ?--Jean DaichouLoves Narutohttp://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090302032849/naruto/images/thumb/8/8d/Senju_Symbol.svg/600px-Senju 18:58, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
Those two can be linked to Senju. We don't know their parents, but we do know their parental grandfather he's important enough to shrug it and move on. The other Uzumaki members remain Uzumaki members due to be explicitly stated to be Uzumaki.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 19:09, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Good thats sorted then--Jean DaichouLoves Naruto 19:11, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

But we don't know Tsunade and Nawaki's parents, what if their mom was the daughter of Hashirama and Mito? Then that would make him their maternal grandparent, and their paternal grandparents could possibly be from the Uzumaki clan, or any other clan, or not any clan at all. All I'm trying to say is that Nagato and Karin were only stated to be descendants of the Uzumaki Clan, as I said earlier, what if they were in the same scenario as Tsunade and Nawaki? What makes them any more worthy of being considered Uzumaki then Tsunade and Nawaki? {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 19:40, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

We don't need to know who Tsunade and Nawaki's parent's are, her grandfather was a Senju so it's immediately impossible for them to belong to the Uzumaki clan. Neither of them should have their clan as Uzumaki. Mention that they are descendants sure, but not in their infoboxes.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 19:51, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe there needs to be a clear explanation of how clans/family names work.

  • Jane from House/Family/Clan X marries John from House/Family/Clan Y and has a child A.
  • A is A from House/Family/Clan Y with familial ties to X.
    • A is not a member of House/Family/Clan X, at least not directly.

The field is asking us what clan Naruto for example belonged to. He was from the Namikaze Family (Minato's words, he never said clan, still you never know) with ties to the Uzumaki and just happening to use that last name due to circumstances. Persons who marry into another clan are the only ones that can hold allegiance to two clans, not offspring.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:28, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

That explains that thank you for that cerez :) and could you answer my question on the Huga clan talkpage please --Jean DaichouAllied Shinobi Forces SymbolLoves Naruto 20:32, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Why can't they be Uzumaki if their grandfather is Senju? He's just the grandfather. And going by the whole explanation of clans/families above, that would mean if their mother was the daughter of Hashirama and Mito, and their father was from another clan. They should only be listed as their father's clan. See what I mean? Besides their last names have never been stated, so what if their last name is eventually revealed and it isn't even Senju? What if their last name was their father's and it was something completely different? And he came from another clan? Would they still be considered Senju then? This is what I meant by their parents are important. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 20:52, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think those three should be removed. First of all, all three were explicitly called members of the Uzumaki clan, not just descendants, by Tobi, Kabuto, and Madara. Tsunade and Nawaki aren't considered Uzumaki because Mito married into the Senju clan. You can only be a member of one clan at the time, you're either born into it, or you marry into it. They're not listed as Uzumaki because Mito "became" a Senju when she married into it. Nagato and Karin only have Uzumaki as known ancestry. With Naruto, despite knowing that he got his mother's name instead of his father's, should still be listed as an Uzumaki because as far as we know, there simply isn't a Namikaze clan for Kushina to have married into, and even if she had, I also recall ShounenSuki explaining that men can marry into important clans without their wives losing the important clan name, as to keep the clan's name alive, something like that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:35, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Omnibender on this one. Nagato and Karin were stated to be of the Uzumaki clan. Naruto is well, obvious.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 22:47, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
I think you guys might be right. Kabuto say she was from the Uzumaki directly and then in the frame that followed Nagato was drawn alongside the rest of them. That might actually be grounds enough to list them as Uzumaki. As for Naruto, I still don't think he should be an Uzumaki, it does hold true that men can marry into powerful clans as Shounensuki said, instead of taking a "no-name" but at the same time, there was no longer a clan structure for Minato to have married into, so I don't think that would have been the case for them. I think we just need to find a premise for adding people to clans in "exceptional"(?) cases like this one and stick to it. Once that's done we can have an explanation should others come thinking along these lines.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 12:57, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Madara said "Mito's Clan" when they were talking with Kabuto about Naruto as the host of Kurama, tho Naruto himself never referred to himself as from a clan, nor anyone else commented on Naruto as belonging to the Uzumaki Clan, as it no longer exists. There are no other known living Uzumaki in the village of Konoha... In case Karin settles there tho, would that mean it's functional again tho?--Elveonora (talk) 16:13, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

As a structure the clan no longer exists, but that's not what we're 'focusing' on. It's more of a name. Madara did in fact recognise Naruto as such but, that was only because of the last name. Nagato and Karin are basically a given, what we need to decide is whether or not Naruto should be given the same courtesy.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:57, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a complex case to me T_T we need Shikamaru to figure this out \(._.)/ --Elveonora (talk) 17:08, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I seriously don't see what is the problem with keeping Naruto as an Uzumaki. So what if he doesn't have red hair? Madara recognised the name as being from Mito's clan, you think he's going to reason "that child has no red hair, he must only be a descendent of the Uzumaki"? Again, if there had been a Namikaze clan, I'd be more willing not to list him as an Uzumaki, but as far as we know, there isn't one. Are we going to list Gaara, Sasori and Sasori's father as Uzumaki as well on red hair? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:23, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I understand what your trying to say omnibender and I agree but it's Just a noticeable trait that the uzumaki have (red hair) thats all Is It mentioned on the article If It's a trait?--Jean DaichouAllied Shinobi Forces SymbolLoves Naruto 21:29, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Hair colour isn't a factor for me because I understand that red hair is a trait of the clan, not a constant. However, what I'm concerned about is whether or not we're going with the fact that the Namikaze were not a clan hence Naruto would literally belong to the Uzumaki or that because his father had another name whether or not he'd be considered a member. That's actually all that separates Naruto from Nawaki and Tsunade. Well that and a generation. Either decision is fine with me.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 22:02, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I don't get why was hair color brought up Omni but ok. It's irrelevant to this issue. Nagato and Karin might have been born into Uzumaki families. They aren't extincts by blood, perhaps smaller Uzumaki Clans exist all around the globe after their village's destruction. Tho Naruto wasn't born into a clan nor is a member of such clan since he has no relatives with his name nor there exist any in Konoha, not to mention his surname is more of a coverup.--Elveonora (talk) 23:59, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

His mother had the name Uzumaki and was a clan member. Did Sasuke cease to be an Uchiha after the massacre and for the years he lived alone without relatives? No. If we remove Naruto from the Uzumaki clan on that basis, we might as well remove Sasuke and Itachi too. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:11, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Elveonora, it's one of two things as I said before:
  1. Minato was not part of a clan hence he would or could have married into the Uzumaki clan (even without changing his name) and Naruto would automatically belong to his mother's clan since his father didn't have one.
  2. Because his mother was married away, would he still be considered a member.

Ignore the basis of extinction, because the Uzumaki aren't extinct, they're in hiding as far as we know; they could be breeding up like rabbits. I'm more inclined to go with option 1 since Minato said they were a family of shinobi and there's no mention of a Namikaze clan.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 10:52, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

this does not make any sense. Naruto does not look the slightest like an uzumaki. ALL members of the clan have red looking hair and good sealing skills. Naruto has none of these. Furthermore, he does resemble minato much more and his character and jutsu are just like that of his father. If an uzumaki stays an uzumaki even when one part of the parents does not belong to the clan, that would be the proof that naruto would be part of it too. I mean, just look at sasuke and itachi. their mother was not an original uchiha and yet they just show the typical uchiha standards. I think it is time to create a namikaze clan pahge, even when the only known members are just minato and naruto, but hey, look at juugos clan.79.223.85.106 (talk) 13:55, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
Jugo;s clan was stated to be a clan. There is no evidence that Minato had a clan.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 14:21, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
It was never stated. All we have is that they have a power that lets them break loose and an image that is of no use at all since you can't recognise anybody. We don't even know the real name. "Juugo's clan", yeah, big deal. pfff
anyway, as I've said earlier, if there is no clan page yet here then we should just create it.79.223.85.106 (talk) 15:11, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I guess you guys make a fair point. No point in arguing about what clan Tsunade and Nawaki belong too when we can't even be 100% sure without knowing who their parents are. But as for the whole Naruto thing, this is interesting. Without us knowing whether Minato came from a clan or not, makes it difficult to decide whether Naruto would be considered a true Uzumaki clan member when he shows none of their signature traits except for his strong life force and healing abilities. Naruto nor anyone else even stated Naruto to be a true Uzumaki, he has familial ties to the Clan? Yes. But would he truly be considered a member of a Clan that no longer has any structure and was destroyed? And on top of that he doesn't seem to consider himself a member of the Clan. Even when Kushina was talking about her past and the Uzumaki Clan she said "my clan" she never said "our clan" to Naruto. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 15:35, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

@79. ur logic is off, I will make a proper response to the other editors once I manage to process and swallow what you just wrote. EDIT: proper response incoming, a single individual doesn't make up a clan, nuff said--Elveonora (talk) 15:40, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

took you a long time to swallow I see! ;)79.223.85.106 (talk) 15:41, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well, at least you were a funny troll, you are already being missed, ciao--Elveonora (talk) 15:49, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

yeah, have a nice day! also, thanks for actually confessing to me, but I actually prefer you to be silent. ;)79.223.85.106 (talk) 15:52, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Folks let's take haku for example, his mother was from the yuki and passed on their ice element trait to him and because of that haku was recognised as part of the yuki when he was resurrected because only someone from that family could use ice element . The same goes for naruto and the traits he inherited from kushina. I think some of us look at the clan system as inbreeding(that both parents from same clan) and patrilineal that's why we have trouble assigning clans but i think a shinobi's membership to a clan isn't just based on which clan the father is apart but traits counts just like the haku's--Rayzur (talk) 23:11, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Person's aren't recognised as being part of a clan because of the traits they inherited. Haku being a Yuki could be for the same reason Naruto is an Uzumki: their fathers have no clans for them to belong to. We generally have a very easy time assigning people to clans, the Uzumaki have been the only exception thus far, because their situation is confusing at best.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:38, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah i think minato not being from a clan (currently) does make naruto being an uzumaki much understandable but in the clans page it is stated that membership to a clan is based upon blood relations and genetics, so thats why i feel clan membership isn't solely based upon just patrilineal lines but in the end the uzumaki are a lost/dead clan so naruto at least is a descendant, i hope that makes everyone satisfied--Rayzur (talk) 11:11, March 31, 2013 (UTC)

Your edit Edit

How Is your edit relevant, Its fine but their's no need to say that they've resurfaced cerez O.O ?? --Jean DaichouAllied Shinobi Forces SymbolLoves Naruto 20:46, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

This is not a talkpage first of all. Secondly, if you feel there's a better way to describe people that fled and went into hiding reappearing in the series, go right ahead an edit the article.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:48, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

missing references/false info Edit

Ok, can anyone link me chapter where it says something about longevity or vitality? The only trait of Uzumaki that there's reference for is life force--Elveonora (talk) 14:27, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

The part about longevity is on chapter 500, page 3. Not sure about the mention of vitality though. Is it not the same thing as powerful life force?--BeyondRed (talk) 17:32, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, was just making sure as I forgot she said that, thank you a lot--Elveonora (talk) 17:47, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

"senju descendants" Edit

Now as you may know, we list it as such according to what Zetsu said in chapter 606. I assume we took it for granted from ms' translation, but according to one person, it doesn't specify the relation any further, meaning the descend part is wrong. Could anyone, best Seelentau (I know you are busy pal T_T) check this out? Well, this is in full what he wrote:

The original Japanese word that Zetsu used was "血縁" or Ketsuen which translates as "Blood Relative" NOT 子孫 or Shison which means descendant. Lineage then in context means "blood relations"

And if you apply logic and common sense, you would know that in terms of the coefficient of relationships in Genealogy, two clans who descended from the same common ancestor are considered "close relatives" not "distant relatives" which would contradict Kushina's statement, therefore, the Uzumakis did not descent from the Younger Son--Elveonora (talk) 20:42, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I did some of my own research out of curiosity a few weeks ago, trying to find out which exactly would have come first, because I never wanted to accept Uzumaki were descended, rather I (in my own desires) hope they came first. Of course, I say I did research (and didn't, really) toward that goal, but what I really did was simply find out if they were descended. And I found the same thing, that they were not descended, rather they were close relatives. Though I'm still hoping Uzumaki come to be the actual descendants, lol.--Taynio (talk) 22:51, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
If Seelentau or anyone confirms it to be true then it should be changed asap. Uchiha are distant relatives to the Senju, so are Uzumaki. For all we know, Uzumaki may be descendants of Sage of Six Paths' brother or something--Elveonora (talk) 23:03, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

Uzumaki are still related to the Senju somehow, and more towards them than towards the Uchiha. Nagato has been identified as Uzumaki, and also as having Senju lineage when Zetsu first showed Obito. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:44, May 28, 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, you know more than an average person when it comes to biology and stuff, or not? How can someone come from the same lineage as Senju do, yet be distantly related to them? Humans and chimpanzees are cousins thus closely related, while gorillas are distantly related, second cousins let's say, monkeys even more so. The main point though is that Uzumaki may not be descendants of Senju, as Rinnegan article claims Nagato to be. Uzumaki may be humans and Senju chimpanzee (the former didn't develop from the latter), while Uchiha gorillas in this equation :P--Elveonora (talk) 10:45, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

The way I currently understand it, the Uzumaki are an offshot of the Senju, becoming their own clan over time, simple as that, no convoluted explanation. They obviously remained aware they're related to the Senju, even though they became their own clan. They'd be considered distant if the split happened a very long time ago, but like I said, the clans remained aware of their relation to one another. Over time, certain characteristics would become signature Uzumaki, like long lifespan and red hair, specially if they married clan members. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:26, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

The way it seems though, the Senju clan appears to be the offshoot. Uzumaki clan traits seem to be more in line with the younger son than the Senju are. I wish Kishi would hurry up and clarify this so we wouldn't have to speculate which came before which. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 01:21, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox image Edit

Dont you think that the image of Karin, Nagato and Kushina from Kabuto's talking about their healing factor would be a good choice for the image in the infobox here? --VolteMetalic (talk) 22:59, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Clan articles typically use the symbols associated with that clan.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 04:05, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
And using it other way? In most clan pages there is a shot of the members. These could be used as a proof that after the destruction of Uzushio the Uzumaki clan dispersed into all directions, with members living all over the world.--VolteMetalic (talk) 22:43, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
And that can be gathered from reading the article. As I stated, for most cases if a clan has a symbol that is whats used in their infobox.
To add to this, using a picture of Karin, Nagato and Kushina wouldn't work for image of the Uzumaki clan because Kushina is the only one of the three that appears to even know the significance of the clan. Nagato's only relation to Naruto was that they were both students of Jiraiya, not that they were the same clan and it's possible Karin doesn't even know about her clan, considering she met an Uzumaki and made no connection. An infobox picture of the clan should have images of that clan, when they are actually a clan.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 23:39, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
Besides there's already an image of several clan members and the then leader of the clan. I don't see what more we coil really need.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 07:09, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

kekkei genkai Edit

= chains... still nope? Unlikely to be Hiden cause she pulled it out her arse and Oro commented on it coming out.--Elveonora (talk) 11:06, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Kekkei Genkai, probably. Who knows. I'm hesitent to say yeah because you know...the whole fact issue thing going on now. /sigh Kishimoto doesn't make things easy does he.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:08, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Well are all innate abilities kekkei genkai? NaviiGator (A.K.A.KotoSenju)-Talk-Contributions 11:14, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't say all, but Oro called it power not a technique.--Elveonora (talk) 11:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

More opinions required, included expert's opinion of Mr. Seel--Elveonora (talk) 12:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

My opinion is Hiden yes, Kekkei Genkai no(t yet). The facts are Hiden unknown, Kekkei Genkai unknown. Seelentau 愛 12:21, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Can a ninja magically learn a passed-down through speech and training technique of a clan on a battlefield tho? It's not like an adopted Nara would just one day start using shadow no jutsu. The only example of "learning from nowhere" is Neji, but his techniques were Kekkei Genkai so could have been figured out.--Elveonora (talk) 12:32, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Neji technically didn't learn from no where. At least, logically he couldn't. He had to at least "see" the technique be used or read about it somewhere and then just genius-mode himself to learning it. Karin's case is fishy because up until now, she has never shown the ability to make chakra chains. In fact up until this point, only Kushina was thought to have used them.
Orochimaru calling it a "power" (did he call it a power?) just adds more confusion to the mix because now I don't know if its an innate ability the Uzumaki can just do, a Hiden ability that is secret only to then, or a kekkei genkai that is a genetic ability only to them.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:35, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Considering Karin served as Oro's jailor for at least 3 years and he has commented on it being a new thing means he hadn't seen her use it before.--Elveonora (talk) 12:49, February 5, 2014 (UTC)
Which means it came out of her butt. Which doesn't make it any less confusing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:50, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Only Kekkei Genkai come outta the butt in my book. Also since when is there a difference between "innate ability" and bloodline limit? In my book both are thanks to genetics unique to specific individuals, the only difference being the former isn't named because it isn't too obvious and major for it to get a name while the latter is named--Elveonora (talk) 13:13, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Innate ability can also just be something that is based off clan. For example, the Aburame clan have an "innate" ability to have those bugs, because those bugs end up in their bodies at birth. Meanwhile the Uchiha have the innate ability to have the Sharinagan because lawlsause. ALso this.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 13:18, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Omni sensei, Cerez? :P--Elveonora (talk) 22:34, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

It's veering closer to kekkei genkai territory in my opinion, but it's still something too loosely defined. The lack of a kekkei genkai-like description of name also works against it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:52, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Uzumaki's OriginsEdit

Due to the term and article "Reincarnation" and the fact that Indra and Asura only reincarnate into their descendants and only them, would it be irrational to state in the Uzumaki Clan article that this clan "originated from the Senju clan, but how is unknown" or something like that? Not only does Naruto being from the Uzumaki Clan and a reincarnation of Asura --the Senju clan's ancestor-- prove this, but Nagato being of the Senju lineage proves this as well (I mean if you go the Rinnegan article, the phrase "Senju lineage" is linked to this article, unless you guys believe that's wrong and should be edited). I'm not trying to say that Asura is also the ancestor of the Uzumaki or that Naruto and Nagato are both from the Senju clan, but I think it's plausible to state that the Uzumaki originated from the Senju, alongside the fact that they are distant blood relatives. It just means that Senju blood flows through the Uzumaki's veins, since the Senju existed first. So what do you all think? WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 20:31, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

You didn't say anything new, that's a known fact that Uzumaki are an offshot of Senju--Elveonora (talk) 21:35, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

So you're fine with this? WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 22:14, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

It's common knowledge that Uzumaki are an offshot Senju, it was already stated in the article.--Elveonora (talk) 11:28, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa Hagoromo has Red hair and etc so we don't know which actually came from since Fuinjutsu came first that's for Uzumaki and etc the body etc senju+uzumaki but we can't say the Uzumaki originated from a clan that hasnt been confirmed I mean all they said was "The uzumaki and senju was once distant relatives." Or "Uzumaki was great distance of the senju." We still don't know so I vote we don't say they originated from them. Hagoromo Otsutsuki Rinnegan 15:32, August 2, 2014 (UTC)HagoromoOtsutsuki

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