considering ganryu's age(by the look of him, he cant be any younger then 50)could this "tragedy" have started, or be a possible byproduct of the enmity of the second tsuchikage and mizukage stated in the manga?, i dunno, its just a theory.--Caseather (talk) 22:46, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Not enough to say. Its anime only and was never expanded to include their rivalry in the episode. The fact that Kiri requested Iwa's help at all is an enigma that only the anime creators would do.Umishiru (talk) 23:04, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
if that's the case, it might be what started it, assuming it has a connection to that, again, just a theory. --Caseather (talk) 23:08, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
No, Iwakagure was known for their underhanded tactics which is what this anime episode is drawing from as well as Onoki's change of heart in the manga. What is strange is that not only did Kiri ask for help, a village with no political ties prior to the Fourth War would ask Iwa, the village known to be the least trustful.Umishiru (talk) 23:20, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
yeah, true, now that i think about it, they could've asked konoha instead, their closer to kiri too, i dunno, come to think of it, onoki's underhandedness came from mu's teachings right?, wonder what made mu like that. --Caseather (talk) 23:38, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
or maybe kiri was simply unaware of iwagakure's underhandedness, being politically isolated the way it was, but still, they could've asked konoha due to it being in close proximity to both kiri and kumo. --Caseather (talk) 23:41, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
I do not know about Mu who probably became that way since was probably in the same generation as Madara which was a war filled generation before the foundation of the hidden Villages but Madara underhandedness which is covered in the manga is what made Onoki so untrusting of other villages.Umishiru (talk) 23:43, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

I doubt it as Kiri and Iwa knew each other going back to the The Second Mizu and Tsuchikage, who hated Muu due to his well you guessed it underhandedness, So I doubt he kept his village in the dark about how Muu ran Iwa.Umishiru (talk) 23:43, December 30, 2011 (UTC)


do you think its possible that this is a reference to the seen where A tells B of their mission to obtain a scroll....which bee then reveals is already in his possession??....any possible connection there??.... --Caseather (talk) 00:56, October 8, 2012 (UTC)

We can't answer that. The two missions procured in two different media.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 11:14, October 8, 2012 (UTC)