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Kurama as a user

Given how Kurama referred to the jutsu by name and was said to be able to create earthquakes and tsunamis with mere flicks of his tails, would he not be a presumed user, albeit on a smaller scale? I don't see any other reason for him to know the jutsu given how he was reborn as a portion of the Jūbi's being and raised as a child by the Rikudō Sennin and thus would not, or at least, should know about any of the Jūbi's jutsu.--Reliops (talk) 19:58, April 23, 2013 (UTC)Reliops

Perhaps grandpa sage of six told them everything about ten-tails--Elveonora (talk) 20:24, April 23, 2013 (UTC)


Anyone opposes us actually moving to that title? It's not like the translation is some convoluted mess. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:23, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

As far as I know we leave those idiom names untranslated, do we? Seelentau 愛 00:49, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
There have been anime jutsu which are four character idioms as well, and those where translated to their meaning. Hurricane Thunderclap and Impermanence of Worldly Things. I'm not sure if that's the reason being ST and BS, but those where technically split. I think those were left like that out of the convolutedness of them. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:49, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
I'd say that we should leave it untranslated since cataclysm doesn't explain the technique very well. TricksterKing (talk) 02:11, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe we should un-translate those anime idioms as well? Seelentau 愛 12:13, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
It may help if one point out those techniques, cause I have no idea which ones we are talking about.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 13:03, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
Tenpenchii literally translates to Cataclysm according to Lord Tangorin. I do understand the whole issue that the name may not encapsulate what is going on in the technique but that is what the article itself and the trivia is for. In this case, as Omnibender said, the name isn't convoluted like some of the other translations.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:26, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Edo Tenseing this. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:04, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Nature Transformation

Soo i was wondering if the disasters the Ten-Tails brings with this technique are Nature Transformation-related. earthquakes for Earth Release, thunderstorms for Lightning Release, floods for Water Release and the twisters for Wind Release. EDIT: To me this seems like the Ten-Tails using multiple elements/nature transformation forms in conjuction. Any opinions on this? Darksusanoo (talk) 13:26, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Do you think that is a conjunction between this technique and the Ten-Tails Chakra Weapons because of Hiruzen's statement? Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png(Contact) 18:57, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
I wouldn't take it that far yet...but we see multiple elements being used as part of this technique can't be anything other than nature transformation.Darksusanoo (talk) 20:04, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
You're right, what I said on my question is if the Ten-Tails has all types of elements from this technique and Obito after acquiring its chakra or not. Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png(Contact) 20:38, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Maybe, though truth be told, we don't know if that unique nature transformation is from the Ten-Tails or if it's chakra facilitated that for Obito. But let's keep the context in this technique...we've seen four different elements in this technique...water, earth, wind and lightning...should they be counted as nature transformation for the Ten-Tails or not? Darksusanoo (talk) 20:43, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
This technique is more complex than any other technique because of its multiple transformation. For me, it's better to wait for the next chapters to see the effects of the Ten-tails chakra on Obito that allows him to use more techniques for more clarifying. Any thoughts? Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png(Contact) 20:50, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
I don't think you should chalk this with Obito's unique nature transformation...there are too many unknowns there. Here we clearly see four elements being manipulated...there's a difference between using multiple elements and having the ability to combine them. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Anyone care to chime in? Darksusanoo (talk) 23:05, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

As always, I'm against adding anything unconfirmed. Seelentau 愛 23:26, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

I will not be surprised if the technique does involve nature transformations, but until the manga itself hints at that, neither should we. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:57, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
What else do you want sempai? We see four different nature elements: water, earth, wind and lightning being used, and so far the series has determined that the only way to do so is nature transformation. If anyother character...human, tailed beast or otherwise was seen manipulating an element or more, we'd add the correspondant nature transformation. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:03, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
It could be that the natural disasters here aren't directly created by the TT, but are a result of using this technique, or am I overseeing something? Seelentau 愛 21:37, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
Pretty much. It was stated to be a god, wasn't it? And also natural energy stuff. Perhaps it affects nature itself to create those effects--Elveonora (talk) 21:56, July 23, 2013 (UTC)


Not sure if someone else noticed, but there's panel in 670 with her sort of creating lightning storms that look a lot like this. Is it trivia worthy to compare the two, despite the lack of other disasters in whatever Kaguya did? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:04, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yea, i noticed that too. Not sure if it's enough to add her as a user, but we may be able to mention something of the sort in the trivia.--NaviiGator (A.K.A.KotoSenju)Talk Page-My Contributions 15:13, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not saying to add her as a user, I'm just suggesting that we point the similarity. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:24, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
I agree on adding it to the trivia as a similarity. Even though it's not stated as Tenpenchii nor stated that she casted the thunderstorm, it is heavily implied that she did cast it by Hagomoro stating her overpower. BHM1250 (talk) 07:56, March 27, 2014 (UTC)

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