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Izanagi is used to escape death. Tobi has a 'complete' Izanagi, which still does the same thing as the incomplete version, albeit for a longer period of time. And we have no indication that a Rinnegan user using Izanagi is immune to its eye-sealing effects. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 22:53, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
Izanagi is used to escape death. Tobi has a 'complete' Izanagi, which still does the same thing as the incomplete version, albeit for a longer period of time. And we have no indication that a Rinnegan user using Izanagi is immune to its eye-sealing effects. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 22:53, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
   
You mean [[Creation of All Things]]? [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 22:55, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
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You mean [[Creation of All Things Technique]]? [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 22:55, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
   
 
Izanagi can make illusion into reality and reality into illusion.
 
Izanagi can make illusion into reality and reality into illusion.
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::Or, this could be a thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:10, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Or, this could be a thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:10, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
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I prefer the English name. Most of the jutsu are listed with english names. It's simply more consistent. [[User:Eugar|Eugar]] ([[User talk:Eugar|talk]]) 03:52, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, sounds like a Rinnegan technique, while it may not be tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:04, April 27, 2013 (UTC)
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I presume that's the only reason to keep the Japanese name then? Well, we never saw Nagato do this, did we? He has a jutsu that can form a similar mass of earth, not drop two meteors right on top of one another... though, to be fair, the MS Sharingan shouldn't be able to do that either.
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Now enlighten me, why were the Rinnegan techniques given their Japanese names? [[User:Eugar|Eugar]] ([[User talk:Eugar|talk]]) 16:49, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Pretty much because accurately translating them into English would result in particularly convoluted names. And not all Rinnegan techniques are left in Japanese, only the ones that fall into that category, which are mostly Deva Path techniques. Some of them might have also been left untranslated because they are partially derived from a certain Japanese idiom, might I'm not 100% sure on that one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:07, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
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:By the Light is Tengai Shinsei really "Heavens Horizon God Subjugation"?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:48, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::Nope. I managed to find the actual kanji for it. Current literal English is courtesy of Tangorin, via yours truly. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:18, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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What happened to "Shattered Heaven"? That doesn't sound convoluted.
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Typing 'Tengai Shinsei' is annoying as hell. And it's not even LISTED with Rinnegan jutsu on that page. There's no definite proof it's Rinnegan-only either. [[User:Eugar|Eugar]] ([[User talk:Eugar|talk]]) 02:38, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Annoying how? It's a very short name, and it's not like it has macroned letters left and right. I see it in the Rinnegan page, and it makes much more sense for it to be Rinnegan than not. The fact he used it with with the Rinnegan active, both Kabuto and Madara were talking about the Rinnegan as the Sage's god-like power just before using it, everything points it to being a Rinnegan technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:47, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
   
 
== Hand Signs ==
 
== Hand Signs ==
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If they're simultaneous, shouldn't there be +, not arrows? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 22:46, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
If they're simultaneous, shouldn't there be +, not arrows? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 22:46, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It's supposed to be, but I don't know how it works here. I think it's fine to me as described in the article. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 08:55, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It's supposed to be, but I don't know how it works here. I think it's fine to me as described in the article. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 08:55, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Why are we naming it based off Storm 3? ==
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It's a video game, not the manga. Are we actually using names from non-canon sources just to fill in the absence of names in the canon? That doesn't make any logical sense, unless Kishimoto had a part to play in the naming of the technique in the game. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 02:39, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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:Until Kishimoto himself gives it a name, yeah. There are quite some techniques which get names from games. Go through Sasori's techniques for example. Anything used in any game is technically higher canon than any descriptive name we come up with. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:42, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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== Different hand sign ==
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[http://s7.postimg.org/dnzak2mzf/444.jpg This hand sign] is not part of the 12 "normal" signs, and it is not listed in the article.
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--[[User:Leitee|Leitee]] ([[User talk:Leitee|talk]]) 18:27, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:It looks like the bird seal but with the fingers on the outside. Seeing as it's that close to the bird seal, I say we just keep it and maybe point out in trivia that the ring, middle and extra are on the outside of the hand instead of boxed in like normal. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 19:49, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
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== Nagato's usage? ==
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I noticed Nagato used a similar technique in the chapter 549. After the clash between Itachi and Naruto, Nagato draws Naruto with the Banshö Ten'in and attempts to smash him with something that looks like a small meteorite. Although probably is a different jutsu or a lesser version of the Tengai Shinsei, I think it's worth to mention it in the trivia [[User:Adept-eX|Adept-eX]] ([[User talk:Adept-eX|talk]]) 01:03, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
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:Nagato used a boulder from river nearby. Madara either pulled one down from space or even created it from nothing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:58, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Mangekyo Sharingan ==
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Madara mentioned that the landscape of this technique takes him back right after using it. Furthermore, it didn't awaken the Rinnegan until he was nearly dead from old age so shouldn't the Kekkei Genkai be Mangekyo Sharingan not Rinnegan?
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[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 22:09, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
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:The point is, both Madara and Kabuto stated that it was the power of the Sage of the Six Paths, so it logically is a Rinnegan technique. However Madara needed Susanoo to make the hand seals and as such the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is listed as well.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 23:06, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
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==Chibaku Tensei again==
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I can't help but think this technique is actually Chibaku Tensei or at least related to it. Especially how Madara used it right before activating Mugen Tsukuyomi. Your thoughts? [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 16:36, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
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:I see why you'd think that, but there's no indication that the gravity orb can be created remotely. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:58, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I'm on the fence with this one. They call these masses of earth meteors in this chapter and it seems far more likely that Madara activated Chibaku Tensei back then, than actually pull down ''two'' asteroids from the upper atmosphere. I know Kishi isn't good with Science, but that is just common sense. After seeing the appearance of the earth sphere's created with his Chibaku Tensei, and then seeing how far up he can create them, I'd put my money on that. The only thing holding me back from throwing all my weight behind it is the fact that he used Susanoo and three different hand seals to preform this one. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:06, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
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:::That and really, the major thing that seperates the two is exactly where these the meteorites come from. For this one, all we've seen was Madara clap his hands and in the sky came giant rocks of falling death. No sign of the gravity spheres that are used in Chibaku Tensei. Really, the giant rocks of crushy death time are meaninglesss, the real thing about the technique are the gravity spheres.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:10, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
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Sasuke clapped his hands and made 9 small Chibaku Tensei. Maybe Madara used Chibaku Tensei on the mountains graveyard area to uncover it better and put the massive Rock in the Atmosphere for later use? idk... I think he simply pulled one of the many lingering giant rocks out of space.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 15:59, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== Is it really not just a Rinnegan technique? ==
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It would seem to me that Madara uses Susanoo to save time on the hand seal sequence. The fact that Nagato used a similar technique (that looks identical, really) on Naruto makes it seem to me that Tengai Shinsei is a Rinnegan jutsu that can be aided by the use of Susanoo similar to Enton/Susanoo combinations. It isn't lost on me that Nagato didn't use hand seals, but given how small his meteorite was perhaps it wasn't required.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 01:02, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Could be. That is a legitimate point. The hand signs were simultaneous. But was Nagato really using that technique? Or was it Chibaku Tensei? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 03:36, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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: This has been addressed already. In both the anime and the manga, the rock Nagato uses is seen being pulled from the nearby river. It did not drop out of the sky. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 07:43, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Restarting the discussion, now that Susanoo can apparently use ninjutsu like a human can. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 23:03, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:It seems like it's a normal ninjutsu (Doton most likely) that is amplified through Susano'o (like Sasuke did with Chidori against Naruto), since Madara was using hand seals with the Susano'o. [[User:Patsoumas1995|Patsoumas1995]] ([[User talk:Patsoumas1995|talk]]) 14:52, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== Madara's Susanoo ==
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Madara actually didn't have his Susanoo activated when his body was destroyed so that needs to be changed. He deactivated it when he was telling Kabuto he was going to take them out as well.[[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 09:10, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:I don't understand your point. I think you misunderstand, Madara had Susanoo, Kabuto modified his body to his youthful appearance while retaining his abilities because Madara was old when he died second time, so Kabuto enhanced his powers to when he was in his prime and brought him back in edo tensei form, may be the sacrifice was Madara's body itself, Madara actually used Susanoo but he didn't have real eyes, and he had chakra receiver inside him, he could switch his Sharingan and Rinnegan back and forth, and he used their powers.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 11:08, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:: In the wiki it said TS was powerful enough to destroy his Susano'o body but in the anime it showed that he wasn't using Susanoo after he dropped it on them. So how do we know it's powerful enough to destroy him when he's using Susanoo if he wasn't using it at the time? [[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 17:59, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:::The manga depicted his Susanoo, though. Manga > anime. If the anime contradicts the manga, then the anime is wrong. The anime gets a lot of stuff wrong. <span style="color:#0700ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0700ff, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #b38b00;"><font color="gold">'''''★'''''</font></span> [[User:WindStar7125|<span style="color:#0700ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0700ff, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0700ff;"><font color="blue">''''' WS7125'''''</font></span>]]<sub><small><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></small></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:02, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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::::In the manga when he talks about impure world reincarnation regeneration his Susanoo was shown next to that panel, it is not clear whether he has Susanoo or not as only his face is shown before the meteor impact.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 20:53, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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::::That's why I was going by the anime and not the manga. Besides why would Madara need to keep it activated if all of them except Gaara and Oonoki (who were concentrating on stopping the meteor) are running away?[[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 02:14, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Chapter 561, page 1: Activated on the bottom left panel. Page 2: Activated on all three of Madara's panels. Page 3: Activated on the bottom right panel. Page 4: Not shown because of his hair. So yeah, there's no proof that he deactivated it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 02:35, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

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