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I think Tenzo should be removed from the listing of those who have total control of a beast. Unlike the originator of his power, Yamato's control is far from mastery 71.178.109.65 (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Contents 1 0 tails 2 Relantionship beetwen the tailed beasts 3 10 Tails 4 "Current" 5 10 Tails 6 Zodiac 7 Power

[edit] 0 tails

i don't think that the 0 tails should be on the list. that was something stupid the anime makers came up with, and we all know the anime isn't canon. besides how can it be a tailed beast if it has no tails? —This unsigned comment was made by 68.163.252.93 (talk • contribs) on 04:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC).

I agree that the Zero-Tails shouldn't be listed, albeit not for the reasons you stated. I removed it and added a trivia point about it. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 04:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Relantionship beetwen the tailed beasts

i was remembering the fight of naruto and gaara, we have to admit that battle was awesome, but it came a question to my mind, why wen naruto and gamabunta transform together into the nine-tailed fox why didn´t the shukkaku reconiced the fox, as far as i now the tailed-beast would have been created by the same power, so they kinda are brothers and sisters only with different chakra levels, ofcurse i wouldn´t expect that they have´d a good relantionship, i think that it more similar to the relantionship that the akatsuki members have beetwen them; and if we look into the relantionships that the chinjuriki have beetwen when they encounterd like naruto with gaara and yukimaru.

They only transform into the nine-tailed fox in the anime. In the manga it's a regular, one-tailed fox. Don't read too much into it. ~SnapperTo 04:16, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

well, what if the Shukaku recgognizes the kyuubi's chakra, and he knows that Gamabunta transformed isn't the Kyuubi?

but still the shukaku should have been shocked to see the image of the fox, maybe he should have sence a feeling of loosing the batle at the begining .

[edit] 10 Tails

Shouldn't something about the 10-Tails be added here? Hidan13 (talk) 04:15, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I put in the Ten Tailed Beast (talk)

shouldn't we put the ten tails as the strongest.because it says the nine tails is the strongestBleach boy (talk) 22:14, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree (User talk:NarSasGaaNej

[edit] "Current"

*cough* "Akatsuki has been capturing the tailed beasts and their hosts, and currently possess seven of the nine." what did we say about the use of the word current? ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Oct 9, 2009 _@ 10:01 ^(UTC)

Uh...is it a bad word? Dartblaze (talk) 02:47, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

The wiki is supposed to be written independently of any specific point in the series. That phrase is written as if everyone was reading the recent manga, and requires it be edited every single time something changes in the Akatsuki status in the manga. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Oct 11, 2009 _@ 02:41 ^(UTC)

So what is the concern here? Should the wiki be NOT written as if everyone was reading the recent manga? Then how should it be written? By writing about the 10-tails, we are already writing it as if everyone is reading the recent manga. Besides, what is that point about editing every time something changes in the manga? That is what has been going on always. Did anyone write about the Five Kages Meeting a year ago? Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 15:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

What Dantman means is that every point in a story is considered 'current'. To someone who has just started reading the manga, the fight between Kakashi and Zabuza is current. For someone completely up-to-date, Madara telling about the Ten-Tails is current. This wiki is designed to cater to everyone.

This and the fact that the story changes every week means that words like current and recent have no meaning here and no place in the articles. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 19:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

"This wiki is designed to cater to everyone." ... Sorry, but just what does "cater" mean here? How does writing about the Fourth Ninja War cater to someone who has just read or watched Kakashi's and Zabuza's battle? Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 13:50, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

It means that someone who just read the battle between Kakashi and Zabuza should be able to find all the information relevant to them, just like someone who just read the latest manga should be able to. For example: in the last 200 or so chapters, Gaara hasn't been a jinchūriki. However, removing the jinchūriki classification from his article would remove information relevant to the manga before he lost Shukaku. Since this Wiki should be relevant to every point in the series, we keep the jinchūriki status and note that he lost the Shukaku. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 16:42, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] 10 Tails

Shouldn't the 10 tails be the main subject of the article since it's the original tailed beast? It would be different if there were 9 bijuu plus the 10 tails, but the 9 bijuu are just pieces of the Juubi. Shouldn't you set up this page so that the juubi is the main subject and then say it's chakra was divided which leads to the info of the 9 bijuu? —This unsigned comment was made by 71.243.50.125 (talk • contribs) on 21:13, October 10, 2009.

That would put a major spoiler unnecessarily early on the page, and this is a entry article about the tailed beasts, that's what we have the Ten-Tailed Beast article for. The 9 separate tailed beasts are much more important to this article as they have much more influence over the series so far, Ten-Tails is only a recent development. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Oct 11, 2009 _@ 05:04 ^(UTC)

Actually, the way Madara speaks about the Ten-Tails in the manga makes it seem as if the Ten-Tails isn't a Tailed Beast at all. It seems "Tailed Beasts" is how the nine parts of the Ten-Tails' chakra were called and not the Ten-Tails itself. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:06, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Why not? Following is what he said: "He (Rikudo Sage) saved the world from a monster .... Gaara, a part of that monster was sealed within you .... It is a fusion of all the tailed beasts, and possesses the strongest chakras ever .... the ten tailed beast, the jubi." Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 15:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Just for form, here's exactly what he said:

• "He once saved the world, from a certain monster......" (「彼はかつて世界を救った あるバケモノから......」, "Kare wa katsute sekai o sukutta, aru bakemono kara......")
• "Gaara... You too had just a part of that monster sealed in you" (「我愛羅...お前もそのバケモノの一部が封印されていたにすぎない」, "Gaara... omae mo sono bakemono no ichibu ga fūin sarete ita ni suginai")
• "It was an aggregation of all the Tailed Beasts... something that held the most powerful chakra... The Ten-Tails" (「そいつは尾獣全ての集合体...最強のチャクラを持つ存在...十尾だ」, "Soitsu wa Bijū subete no shūgōtai... Saikyō no chakura o motsu sonzai... Jūbi da")

Any way, the fact that Madara specifically says the Ten-Tails was an aggregation of "all the Tailed Beasts" means the Ten-Tails isn't considered a Tailed Beast itself. In other words, the Tailed Beasts is a named given to the nine parts that the Sage of the Six Paths split the Ten-Tails' chakra in. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 19:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Madara clearly calls the Ten-Tails as a monster. Now, don't tell me a monster and a beast are two different things. Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da (talk) 13:52, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

First of all, yes there is a difference, but that aside: Madara calls the Ten-Tails a monster (バケモノ, bakemono), not a Tailed Beast (尾獣, Bijū). By saying that the Ten-Tails is an aggregation of all the Tailed Beasts, Madara makes a clear distinction between the two. Tailed Beasts is a name given to the nine portions of the Ten-Tails' chakra. The Ten-Tails itself is not a Tailed Beast. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 16:37, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Zodiac

I was just looking at the names of the beasts and, noticed.

• Monster Cat -> Chinese Zodiac: Rabbit -> Cat in Vietnam
• Monkey -> Chinese Zodiac: Monkey
• Dolphin Horse -> Chinese Zodiac: Horse
• Giant Ox -> Chinese Zodiac: Ox

Not sure about the others though; Shukaku, Giant Turtle, Slug, Horned Beetle, Fox. Maybe mention in article, about half of them being part of zodiac is a not likely a coincidence. Simant (talk) 18:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but this could easily be a coincidence. In fact, it would be ridiculous if it were anything other than that. Three animals match, with a fourth only matching if one considers a completely different culture. There is nothing else at all that connects the Tailed Beasts to the animals of the zodiac. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 19:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Power

shouldn't all the bijuu equal power and strength, other than 10 tails, since the 9 bijuu are but equal portions of chakra? --NarSasGaaNej (talk) 06:11, October 20, 2009 (UTC)