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genders

As proven many times, the gender classification refers to mental and social identity rather than biological status. It may be annoying I keep bringing this up, but it's true. I would stop if it weren't for instances like Swirl Zetsu which we list as male, but why don't we then the Tailed Beasts? The would be point "genderless pronouns" is moot since we can tell clearly that Kurama is a he both mentally and biologically. I see no feminine personality traits or physical features--Elveonora (talk) 12:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

It would be wise to not go into this subject as it is just a can of worms waiting to explode.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 12:21, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Okay, but just curious, was Swirl Zetsu specifically referred to as "he" in the manga? On top of that, are we just going to ignore that the Five-Tails was given female voice in the anime?--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

No clue about Swirl Zetsu, but I assume considering Zetsu is listed as male all of his clones would as well. And yes we are going to ignore the Five-Tails female voice, because Naruto also has a female voice actress, and yeah male. Not uncommon in Japan. Or in America to be honest.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 13:13, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Except all female voice actress for male characters in Naruto do sound male, this one doesn't, perhaps intentionally. For Swirl Zetsu, I beg Seelentau for investigation if the Japanese dialogue somehow suggests a gender, because anatomically "he" is barely anything--Elveonora (talk) 13:42, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

I did mention "clone"...--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 13:49, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

So? Anatomically, Swirl Zetsu is less of a man than other Zetsus, he doesn't even have visible internal or external organs. Again, gender doesn't refer to genetics. I meant if Seelentau could check all the Swirl Zetsu dialogue if there's anything suggesting masculinity or male pronouns.--Elveonora (talk) 14:00, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going into the physics and metaphysics on gender identity. I'm just saying, in Swirl Zetsu's case because Zetsu has been identified as male, that as a clone, Swirl was also identified as such. I repeat I am not and will not get into the physics and metaphysics of gender identity.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 14:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

I won't encourage this discussion either, since it's simply not up to us to decide if any character is male or female. Seelentau 愛^議 14:41, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds wise... for the forthcoming future, here I depart again with a tail in between my legs. Just please confirm or deny Swirl Zetsu being male or anything for that matter, so it goes in accordance with what you just wrote above instead of "us" deciding that he "must" be male since Zetsu is one. They are more of a siblings than clones. And since Orochimaru "wasn't" (was in fact) a female biologically in Part I. it should be even so it's not hypocritical.--Elveonora (talk) 14:53, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

There is no "he" or "she" in Japanese. Seelentau 愛^議 15:03, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

And unless the third databook entry has been wrong for the past 2 or 3 years, Zetsu was listed as male.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 15:06, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

The thing is, he wasn't. Seelentau 愛^議 18:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Ho hooo then.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 18:09, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Seriously? Now I feel offended and grossed.--Elveonora (talk) 22:02, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

Young Biju image

Why was a 1080p png image replaced by an image of inferior quality across the tailed beasts articles without discussion ? I'm posting this here rather than 9 times over all the tailed beasts articles. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 19:53, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

well feel free to replace those images with 1080 higher res versions.--RexGodwin (talk) 20:43, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Manga images

Ok, seriously? Do we need these anymore? We have perfectly fine anime images of the exact same thing, without the awkward borders/backgrounds, plus Jinchuriki in the images...and its not like any of the Biju have any massive differences between the mediums, they look exactly the same..--RexGodwin (talk) 22:17, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

They're staying. End of story. ~ Ten Tailed Fox

22:27, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

No need to act all high and mighty.. maybe actually say a reason?--RexGodwin (talk) 22:32, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

TTF, calm down, no need to be aggressive / hostile to a legitimate question...

What reason is there to keep both ? The anime depicted the tailed beasts without any differences so I have no idea why we've kept the manga image this long. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 22:58, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Well i'd say the previous anime images of the lesser seen Bijū weren't as good as the artbook images, but now that we literally have the exact images in animated form, i don't see a reason.--RexGodwin (talk) 23:13, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Wait, are you referring to the one on this page. 'Cuz that's the one I was talking about. The ones on the Bijū's individual pages, I'm not so sure about. Bring it up on their talk pages. Saves confusion. Or be more specific in the future. I thought you were referring to the one we have of them collectively in a group from the artbook on this page, which is staying until the anime provides us some better rendition. ~ Ten Tailed Fox

23:49, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Oh. Yeah i meant as their infobox ones. Agreed about on this page, the manga one is good since it shows all of them.--RexGodwin (talk) 23:56, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Keep in mind the decision that is made here will most likely effect many more characters and should also have influence in the previous discussion about the Part I and Part II tabs. Carry on.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 00:21, September 14, 2013 (UTC)

Since this will effect at least nine pages and to keep it all in one place I'll make my comment here rather than the individual pages. I agree with no longer needing the manga image in the infoboxs of each Tailed Beast. The anime has perfect representations of each now. Arrancar79 (talk) 17:39, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

The problem is that, although the anime has depicted them, they're technically not canon representations, because the song they were shown in (the tailed beast counting song) is an anime OVA and it would piss off a lot of users if we started swapping out images of tailed beasts that are "canon" with non-canon images from an OVA. Just to make people aware. However, I would have no objection to just removing the manga images for the tailed beasts and leaving the anime image there. --Speysider ^{Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel} 18:27, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Fortunately in this case it seems they were nearly exact representations of the depiction in the manga for what it's worth. Arrancar79 (talk) 20:58, September 18, 2013 (UTC)y

Point of Clarification: The mange image we use for all the Tailed Beast have not appeared in the mange either, they all came from a fanbook/artbook. That is just about the same as the omake song the images in question came from. Carry on.-TheUltimate3

^(talk) 21:44, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

It's better to keep those manga image for comparison since the anime and the manga images aren't from the original anime and the original manga. I think the animators who did the song took those artbook images for this work. That's all http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png ^(Contact) 21:47, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

I contend that the omake image is as canon as any other episode because it's a true representation of their likeness, the quality is high and the fan/artbook images have their jinchūriki in the picture as well. If they stay then it seems like they should be second, I mean why not put the higher quality image first. Anime is the format used throughout the wiki with few exceptions like Hanzō and A, which I think should be reversed as well but I don't want to get into that here. Arrancar79 (talk) 22:31, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

yeah who cares what the image is from, its the perfect representation of the manga images, but in animated form and without awkward borders and other characters.--RexGodwin (talk) 22:52, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well no one has responded so im gonna go ahead and remove the manga images.--RexGodwin (talk) 13:47, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

As you were the one to start it, nor have I seen a agreement reached, you are not in a position to decide the discussion is closed.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 14:25, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Now that that's been taken care of, how about we do actually come to a conclusion, because I would like this, and the rest of the "Anime/Manga" images to reach a ending.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 14:28, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

I don't see a need to come to a conclusion. There's no need to take out the manga image at all. The previous depiction of the tailed beast weren't inaccurate, it's just that we wanted both versions of the image in the infoboxes. The same goes for the current Kage (except A). If you prefer the anime one, simply click on the tab.--Cerez365^™

^(talk) 14:34, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

And I've been trying (hard) to point out the potential problems with having some articles having two images for anime/manga, others having two images for Part I and II, then others having a single image, then others having images of forms.

As the self appointed Consistency Admin Guy Person(tm) that just screams a problem. And I've been trying to have that discussion for months and nobody seems to want to talk about it.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 14:54, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

And if memory serves me correctly, I got into an argument with ShounenSuki about the previous pictures of the tailed beasts and the reason they ended up with two images was because such things like color was off (Eight-Tails), slime looked off (Six-Tails), ect.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 14:59, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I just like the manga images better. I'm not going to cut corners with that or find minuscule reasons like black backgrounds for the manga image to stay. I remember that part of the reason the whole tabs in the infobox was created was so that both factions could have their preference in terms of images as well as to correct discrepancies and all that. That being said, with the whole addition of part 1 and part 2 images I guess you could create some guidelines for it:

usually it is manga vs. anime when there's a discrepancy in terms of appearance.
if said person has a part II image for example but they are depicted incorrectly in the anime, part II image is moved to the article and manga image take precedence.
there should also be a discretionary addition for images or forms where it can either be added to the infobox or moved to the article e.g. Shinju and Ultimate Summoning Beast.

I think that each case would be different, so consistency may need to be a bit more flexible in this case.--Cerez365^™^(talk) 15:11, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Family

I noticed that each Tailed Beast has the Sage of the Six Paths listed as "Creator" on the family part of their infoboxes. But should the other Tailed Beasts be listed on their pages as well? For example:

In the infobox of Shukaku:

Hagoromo Otsutsuki (Creator)

Matatabi (Sibling)

Isobu (Sibling)

Son Goku (Sibling)

Kokuo (Sibling)

Saiken (Sibling)

etc... --RIkudo (talk) 17:42, December 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ten-Tails

Is it really a Tailed Beast? Well, maybe we have more evidences appointing to yes, but, from all I knew, I thought tailed beasts are enourmous monsters of chakra, that have different abilities and a different number of tails, created by Sage of Six Paths, from Ten-Tails Chakra. That primordial monster, is enormous contruct of chakra, but, it is not created by Sage. This get in my mind, when I was thinking about Six Paths of Pain and Six Paths Techinique. Six Paths of Pain, is just a style that Nagato created to use the latter. Tailed Beast are just a "new style of Ten-Tails" created by the Sage. Six Paths of Pain, can be even considered a Six Paths Techinique, but Six Paths Techinique is not Six Paths of Pain. Tailed Beast are nicknamed that, not the Ten-Tails, so they are Tailed Beast but the First Monster not. Like Kurama said, it is like a force of nature that acts by instinct, and tailed beast have intelligence. They're different things, so, Ten-Tails can not be considered a Tailed Beast. MaskedManMadara (talk) 13:57, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Discussed before. To long didn't read: it probably shouldn't be, but it's the best classification that can be given to it without going stupid.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 14:11, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

@MMM, don't bother, tried once, twice, thrice to no avail. It's gonna stay a tailed beast in here also gedo mazo and shinju will have separate articles despite being the same thing, just because... :P --Elveonora (talk) 16:28, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Chakra has chakra?

So I don't understand. It says the tailed beasts are chakra monsters, but at the same time they have chakra. The reason why I bring thi up is because in chapter 666 obito ripped of a 'portion' of the eight tails and one tail. Does that mean he ripped off a part of themselvees, as in their consciousness, or just their chakra?--AsianInvasion711 (talk) 23:05, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

The tailed beasts are made of immense reserves of chakra, that's why they are called Chakra Monsters. For now, all we know is that Obito took a fragment of chakra from the One-Tail and the Eight-Tails. We do not know wheter there is some consciousness in these fragments.--JOA20 (talk) 23:22, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

You are taking that too literary. There were created from chakra. But they have real physical bodies which create chakra and can even run out if chakra and have to restore it using meditation or whatever, like Shinobi.--Elveonora (talk) 00:18, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Summoning

The Ten-Tails was also subjected to the use of Summoning Technique just like Kurama. We need to add that to the Trivia section--MERCURIOUS (talk) 19:01, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 663 page 13. Madara summoned it and then sealed it inside of him.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 15:59, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

He didn't summon it, he remade it.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 16:09, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

What are you on about Ulti? The Ten-Tails was summoned as Gedo Mazo--Elveonora (talk) 16:09, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

He actually did summon it. After the Statue absorbed the beasts, it vanished in a blast of smoke. Later on, when Madara wanted to become the jinchūriki, he is shown making a handseal and summoning it back to the battlefield. ~ Ten Tailed Fox

16:22, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Also this. We were told not once that Rinnegan user can summon the Ten-Tails. Explanation for that? Don't ask, no idea, but it's true--Elveonora (talk) 16:27, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Examples please? I can only recall the pulling of the beasts into the statue, a bunch of crying that Naruto and Sasuke were dying, and then Madara casually jamming the Ten-Tails into his gut.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 16:44, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

/LookedMySelf, Ah yes. The Ten-Tails reformed someplace else and Madara brought it back once it was done. I stand correct corrected.--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 16:49, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

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+== genders ==
+As proven many times, the gender classification refers to mental and social identity rather than biological status. It may be annoying I keep bringing this up, but it's true. I would stop if it weren't for instances like [[Swirl Zetsu]] which we list as male, but why don't we then the Tailed Beasts? The would be point "genderless pronouns" is moot since we can tell clearly that Kurama is a he both mentally and biologically. I see no feminine personality traits or physical features--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-==Tenzo==
-I think Tenzo should be removed from the listing of those who have total control of a beast. Unlike the originator of his power, Yamato's control is far from mastery [[Special:Contributions/71.178.109.65|71.178.109.65]] ([[User talk:71.178.109.65|talk]]) 15:22, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
+:It would be wise to not go into this subject as it is just a can of worms waiting to explode.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:21, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-== 0 tails ==
+::Okay, but just curious, was Swirl Zetsu specifically referred to as "he" in the manga? On top of that, are we just going to ignore that the Five-Tails was given female voice in the anime?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:45, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+:::No clue about Swirl Zetsu, but I assume considering Zetsu is listed as male all of his clones would as well. And yes we are going to ignore the Five-Tails female voice, because Naruto also has a female voice actress, and yeah male. Not uncommon in Japan. Or in America to be honest.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:13, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+::::Except all female voice actress for male characters in Naruto do sound male, this one doesn't, perhaps intentionally. For Swirl Zetsu, I beg Seelentau for investigation if the Japanese dialogue somehow suggests a gender, because anatomically "he" is barely anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:42, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+:::::I did mention "clone"...--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:49, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+So? Anatomically, Swirl Zetsu is less of a man than other Zetsus, he doesn't even have visible internal or external organs. Again, gender doesn't refer to genetics. I meant if Seelentau could check all the Swirl Zetsu dialogue if there's anything suggesting masculinity or male pronouns.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:00, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-i don't think that the 0 tails should be on the list. that was something stupid the anime makers came up with, and we all know the anime isn't canon. besides how can it be a tailed beast if it has no tails? {{unsigned|68.163.252.93|04:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)}}
+:I'm not going into the physics and metaphysics on gender identity. I'm just saying, in Swirl Zetsu's case because Zetsu has been identified as male, that as a clone, Swirl was also identified as such. I repeat ''I am not and will not get into the physics and metaphysics of gender identity.''--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-To add to that it is stated that the tailed beasts were a separation from the ten tails and only 9 were stated,Therefore it can be presumed that the so called zero tails is not a tailed beast and only a name the animators created to confuse viewers or to make it sound catchy.
-:I agree that the Zero-Tails shouldn't be listed, albeit not for the reasons you stated. I removed it and added a trivia point about it. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 04:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
+::I won't encourage this discussion either, since it's simply not up to us to decide if any character is male or female. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:41, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+:::Sounds wise... for the forthcoming future, here I depart again with a tail in between my legs. Just please confirm or deny Swirl Zetsu being male or anything for that matter, so it goes in accordance with what you just wrote above instead of "us" deciding that he "must" be male since Zetsu is one. They are more of a siblings than clones. And since Orochimaru "wasn't" (was in fact) a female biologically in Part I. it should be even so it's not hypocritical.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:53, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+::::There is no "he" or "she" in Japanese. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:03, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+:::::And unless the third databook entry has been wrong for the past 2 or 3 years, Zetsu was listed as male.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:06, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+::::::The thing is, he wasn't. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+:::::::Ho hooo then.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:09, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
+Seriously? Now I feel offended and grossed.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:02, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-== Relationship between the tailed beasts ==
+== Young Biju image ==
-i was remembering the fight of naruto and gaara, we have to admit that battle was awesome, but it came a question to my mind, why wen naruto and gamabunta transform together into the nine-tailed fox why didn´t the shukkaku reconiced the fox, as far as i now the tailed-beast would have been created by the same power, so they kinda are brothers and sisters only with different chakra levels, ofcurse i wouldn´t expect that they have´d a good relantionship, i think that it more similar to the relantionship that the akatsuki members have beetwen them; and if we look into the relantionships that the chinjuriki have beetwen when they encounterd like naruto with gaara and yukimaru.
+Why was a 1080p png image replaced by an image of inferior quality across the tailed beasts articles without discussion ? I'm posting this here rather than 9 times over all the tailed beasts articles. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:53, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
+well feel free to replace those images with 1080 higher res versions.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 20:43, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
-:They only transform into the nine-tailed fox in the anime. In the manga it's a regular, one-tailed fox. Don't read too much into it. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 04:16, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
+==Manga images==
-:well, what if the Shukaku recgognizes the kyuubi's chakra, and he knows that Gamabunta transformed isn't the Kyuubi?
+Ok, seriously? Do we need these anymore? We have perfectly fine anime images of the exact same thing, without the awkward borders/backgrounds, plus Jinchuriki in the images...and its not like any of the Biju have any massive differences between the mediums, they look exactly the same..--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 22:17, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
+: They're staying. End of story. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:27, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
+No need to act all high and mighty.. maybe actually say a reason?--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 22:32, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
-but still the shukaku should have been shocked to see the image of the fox, maybe he should have sence a feeling of loosing the batle at the begining
-.
+:TTF, calm down, no need to be aggressive / hostile to a legitimate question...
-== 10-Tails ==
+:What reason is there to keep both ? The anime depicted the tailed beasts without any differences so I have no idea why we've kept the manga image this long. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:58, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
+Well i'd say the previous anime images of the lesser seen Bijū weren't as good as the artbook images, but now that we literally have the exact images in animated form, i don't see a reason.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 23:13, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
-Shouldn't something about the 10-Tails be added here?
+: Wait, are you referring to the one on this page. 'Cuz that's the one I was talking about. The ones on the Bijū's individual pages, I'm not so sure about. Bring it up on their talk pages. Saves confusion. Or be more specific in the future. I thought you were referring to the one we have of them collectively in a group from the artbook on this page, which ''is'' staying until the anime provides us some better rendition. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:49, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
-[[User:Hidan13|Hidan13]] ([[User talk:Hidan13|talk]]) 04:15, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
+Oh. Yeah i meant as their infobox ones. Agreed about on this page, the manga one is good since it shows ''all'' of them.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 23:56, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
-I put in the Ten Tailed Beast ([[User talk:Pdmazen|talk]])
+:Keep in mind the decision that is made here will most likely effect many more characters and should also have influence in the previous discussion about the Part I and Part II tabs. Carry on.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:21, September 14, 2013 (UTC)
-Shouldn't we put the ten tails as the strongest.because it says the nine tails is the strongest[[User:Bleach boy|Bleach boy]] ([[User talk:Bleach boy|talk]]) 22:14, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
+Since this will effect at least nine pages and to keep it all in one place I'll make my comment here rather than the individual pages. I agree with no longer needing the manga image in the infoboxs of each Tailed Beast. The anime has perfect representations of each now. [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 17:39, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
-Yeah, I agree ([[User talk:NarSasGaaNej]]
+:The problem is that, although the anime has depicted them, they're technically not canon representations, because the song they were shown in (the tailed beast counting song) is an anime OVA and it would piss off a lot of users if we started swapping out images of tailed beasts that are "canon" with non-canon images from an OVA. Just to make people aware. However, I would have no objection to just removing the manga images for the tailed beasts and leaving the anime image there. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:27, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
-First off what does 10tails even look like and I do think that we should find out more if possible
+::Fortunately in this case it seems they were nearly exact representations of the depiction in the manga for what it's worth. [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 20:58, September 18, 2013 (UTC)y
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-It looks like a tree made into a body figure with circles (the illusion majician kind) on its cheecks. Btw uknown photo takes looks out of porportion. Answer by Naruto king 998 {{unsigned|68.81.209.173}}
+:::Point of Clarification: The mange image we use for all the Tailed Beast have not appeared in the mange either, they all came from a fanbook/artbook. That is just about the same as the omake song the images in question came from. Carry on.-[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:44, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
-Have you even seen how long since this topic was used? And if the image you're talking about is what I think it is, it's a fanart. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
+It's better to keep those manga image for comparison since the anime and the manga images aren't from the original anime and the original manga. I think the animators who did the song took those artbook images for this work. That's all [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 21:47, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
-== "Current" ==
+:I contend that the omake image is as canon as any other episode because it's a true representation of their likeness, the quality is high and the fan/artbook images have their jinchūriki in the picture as well. If they stay then it seems like they should be second, I mean why not put the higher quality image first. Anime is the format used throughout the wiki with few exceptions like Hanzō and A, which I think should be reversed as well but I don't want to get into that here. [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 22:31, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
-'''*cough*''' "Akatsuki has been capturing the tailed beasts and their hosts, and currently possess seven of the nine." what did we say about the use of the word current? ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Oct 9, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 10:01 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-Uh...is it a bad word? [[User:Dartblaze|Dartblaze]] ([[User talk:Dartblaze|talk]]) 02:47, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
+yeah who cares what the image is from, its the perfect representation of the manga images, but in animated form and without awkward borders and other characters.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 22:52, September 18, 2013 (UTC)
+Well no one has responded so im gonna go ahead and remove the manga images.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 13:47, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
-:The wiki is supposed to be written independently of any specific point in the series. That phrase is written as if everyone was reading the recent manga, and requires it be edited every single time something changes in the Akatsuki status in the manga. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Oct 11, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 02:41 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
+:As you were the one to start it, nor have I seen a agreement reached, you are not in a position to decide the discussion is closed.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:25, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
-::So what is the concern here? Should the wiki be NOT written as if everyone was reading the recent manga? Then how should it be written? By writing about the 10-tails, we are already writing it as if everyone is reading the recent manga. Besides, what is that point about editing every time something changes in the manga? That is what has been going on always. Did anyone write about the Five Kages Meeting a year ago? [[User:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da]] ([[User talk:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|talk]]) 15:49, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
+::Now that that's been taken care of, how about we ''do'' actually come to a conclusion, because I would like this, and the rest of the "Anime/Manga" images to reach a ending.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:28, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
-:::What Dantman means is that ''every'' point in a story is considered 'current'. To someone who has just started reading the manga, the fight between Kakashi and Zabuza is current. For someone completely up-to-date, Madara telling about the Ten-Tails is current. This wiki is designed to cater to everyone.
+:::I don't see a need to come to a conclusion. There's no need to take out the manga image at all. The previous depiction of the tailed beast weren't inaccurate, it's just that we wanted both versions of the image in the infoboxes. The same goes for the current Kage (except A). If you prefer the anime one, simply click on the tab.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:34, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
-:::This and the fact that the story changes every week means that words like ''current'' and ''recent'' have no meaning here and no place in the articles. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 19:03, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
+::::And I've been trying (hard) to point out the potential problems with having some articles having two images for anime/manga, others having two images for Part I and II, then others having a single image, then others having images of forms.
+::::As the self appointed Consistency Admin Guy Person(tm) that just screams a problem. And I've been trying to have that discussion for months and nobody seems to want to talk about it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:54, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
+:::::And if memory serves me correctly, I got into an argument with ShounenSuki about the previous pictures of the tailed beasts and the reason they ended up with two images was because such things like color was off (Eight-Tails), slime looked off (Six-Tails), ect.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:59, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
+Personally, I just like the manga images better. I'm not going to cut corners with that or find minuscule reasons like black backgrounds for the manga image to stay. I remember that part of the reason the whole tabs in the infobox was created was so that both ''factions'' could have their preference in terms of images as well as to correct discrepancies and all that. That being said, with the whole addition of part 1 and part 2 images I guess you could create some guidelines for it:
-::::"This wiki is designed to cater to everyone." ... Sorry, but just what does "cater" mean here? How does writing about the Fourth Ninja War cater to someone who has just read or watched Kakashi's and Zabuza's battle? [[User:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da]] ([[User talk:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|talk]]) 13:50, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
+* usually it is manga vs. anime when there's a discrepancy in terms of appearance.
+* if said person has a part II image for example but they are depicted incorrectly in the anime, part II image is moved to the article and manga image take precedence.
-:::::It means that someone who just read the battle between Kakashi and Zabuza should be able to find all the information relevant to them, just like someone who just read the latest manga should be able to. For example: in the last 200 or so chapters, Garra hasn't been a jinchūriki. However, removing the jinchūriki classification from his article would remove information relevant to the manga before he lost Shukaku. Since this Wiki should be relevant to every point in the series, we keep the jinchūriki status and note that he lost the Shukaku. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 16:42, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
+* there should also be a discretionary addition for images or forms where it can either be added to the infobox or moved to the article e.g. Shinju and Ultimate Summoning Beast.
+I think that each case would be different, so consistency may need to be a bit more ''flexible'' in this case.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:11, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
-== 10 Tails ==
-Shouldn't the 10 tails be the main subject of the article since it's the original tailed beast? It would be different if there were 9 bijuu plus the 10 tails, but the 9 bijuu are just pieces of the Juubi. Shouldn't you set up this page so that the juubi is the main subject and then say it's chakra was divided which leads to the info of the 9 bijuu? {{unsigned|71.243.50.125|21:13, October 10, 2009}}
-:That would put a major spoiler unnecessarily early on the page, and this is a entry article about the tailed beasts, that's what we have the [[Ten-Tailed Beast]] article for. The 9 separate tailed beasts are much more important to this article as they have much more influence over the series so far, Ten-Tails is only a recent development. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Oct 11, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 05:04 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-::Actually, the way Madara speaks about the Ten-Tails in the manga makes it seem as if the Ten-Tails isn't a Tailed Beast at all. It seems "Tailed Beasts" is how the nine parts of the Ten-Tails' chakra were called and not the Ten-Tails itself. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 14:06, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
-:::Why not? Following is what he said: "He (Rikudo Sage) saved the world from a monster .... Gaara, a part of that monster was sealed within you .... It is a fusion of all the tailed beasts, and possesses the strongest chakras ever .... the ten tailed beast, the jubi." [[User:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da]] ([[User talk:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|talk]]) 15:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
-::::Just for form, here's exactly what he said:
-::::* {{translation|"He once saved the world, from a certain monster......"|「彼はかつて世界を救った あるバケモノから......」|"Kare wa katsute sekai o sukutta, aru bakemono kara......"}}
-::::* {{translation|"Gaara... You too had just a part of that monster sealed in you"|「我愛羅...お前もそのバケモノの一部が封印されていたにすぎない」|"Gaara... omae mo sono bakemono no ichibu ga fūin sarete ita ni suginai"}}
-::::* {{translation|"It was an ''aggregation of all the Tailed Beasts''... something that held the most powerful chakra... The Ten-Tails"|「そいつは''尾獣全ての集合体''...最強のチャクラを持つ存在...十尾だ」|"Soitsu wa ''Bijū subete no shūgōtai''... Saikyō no chakura o motsu sonzai... Jūbi da"}}
-::::Any way, the fact that Madara specifically says the Ten-Tails was an aggregation of "all the Tailed Beasts" means the Ten-Tails isn't considered a Tailed Beast itself. In other words, the ''Tailed Beasts'' is a named given to the nine parts that the Sage of the Six Paths split the Ten-Tails' chakra in. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 19:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
-Madara clearly calls the Ten-Tails as a monster. Now, don't tell me a monster and a beast are two different things. [[User:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da]] ([[User talk:Geijustu wa bakuhatsu da|talk]]) 13:52, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
-:First of all, yes there is a difference, but that aside: Madara calls the Ten-Tails a {{translation|''monster''|バケモノ|bakemono}}, not a {{translation|''Tailed Beast''|尾獣|Bijū}}. By saying that the Ten-Tails is an aggregation of ''all the Tailed Beasts'', Madara makes a clear distinction between the two. ''Tailed Beasts'' is a name given to the nine portions of the Ten-Tails' chakra. The Ten-Tails itself is not a Tailed Beast. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 16:37, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
-ShounenSuki, that's inconsistent on just two points : Its name and the fact that it has 10 tails. Other than that, your argument makes almost perfect sense. [[User:BlazeUchiha|<span style="color:8B 00 00 ">'''BlazeUchiha'''</span>]] 16:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
-:Haven't other characters called some other Tailed Beasts like that, "bakemono"? I think Hidan called the Two Tails like that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:09, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
-::@ BlazeUchiha: Tails and a "tail" name do not a Bijū make. As it is now, it seems "Bijū" is how the portions of the Ten-Tails' chakra were called. This means the Ten-Tails is, by definition, not a Bijū, as it is not a part of its own chakra.
-::@ Omnibender: Could be, but that wasn't really my point. My point was, partly by using the term bakemono instead of Bijū, created a clear distinction between the Ten-Tails and the Bijū. The way he spoke about the Ten-Tails, he implied taht it isn't considered a Bijū itself. It is rather logical, if you think about it. No-one knows about the Ten-Tails, so it is impossible for them to include it with the Bijū. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 13:29, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
-== Zodiac ==
-I was just looking at the names of the beasts and, noticed.
-*Monster Cat -> Chinese Zodiac: Rabbit -> Cat in Vietnam
-*Monkey -> Chinese Zodiac: Monkey
-*Dolphin Horse -> Chinese Zodiac: Horse
-*Giant Ox -> Chinese Zodiac: Ox
-Not sure about the others though; Shukaku, Giant Turtle, Slug, Horned Beetle, Fox. ''Maybe'' mention in article, about half of them being part of zodiac is a not likely a coincidence. [[User:Simant|Simant]] ([[User talk:Simant|talk]]) 18:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
-:I'm sorry, but this could easily be a coincidence. In fact, it would be ridiculous if it were anything other than that. Three animals match, with a fourth only matching if one considers a completely different culture. There is nothing else at all that connects the Tailed Beasts to the animals of the zodiac. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 19:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
-== Power ==
-shouldn't all the bijuu equal power and strength, other than 10 tails, since the 9 bijuu are but equal portions of chakra? --[[User:NarSasGaaNej|NarSasGaaNej]] ([[User talk:NarSasGaaNej|talk]]) 06:11, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
-They had never said that the Tailed-Beasts are ''equal'' portions of the Ten-Tails, but merely that they are portions of the monster. We don’t know how much each got other than the Nine-Tails, which must have gotten the largest portion of chakra and strength.
-But while we are speaking of the tailed-beast ranking system, Suki? Can I ask of you of a direct translation of what Kisame said during the time Killer Bee was charging at him in version 2? From what he said, there could be some merit to the whole tailed-ranking system, but I could have just merely read a bad translated manga release.
-“Well, it is only one tail short of 9 after all...it must take an amazing amount of control to keep those chakras in check...”
-That is what he said on the release I read, and from he said there, it makes me think there could be something to each tail means more stronger, but I could be wrong at this point. I also point out that the Samehada can only eat 6 tails of the Eight-Tails’ chakra at a time, point more towards the rank system, but that could also be at the 6 tails thing could be only from the Eight-Tails’ strength and not the beasts in general. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 22:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
-== Yokai ==
-I've noticed in a lot fanfiction the kyuubi's chakra (and by extention the bijuu's) is refered to as yokai or youkai. Should we put that because stuff from fans minds like Kirabi's name really being Kira Hachi is on Kirabi's trivia section so can I put this in the trivia sec or not.--[[Special:Contributions/97.115.229.107|97.115.229.107]] ([[User talk:97.115.229.107|talk]]) 06:45, November 15, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
-:{{translation|Yōkai|妖怪|monster, spirit, ''or'' demon}} is the Japanese term given to various kinds of supernatural creatures. Kitsune, tanuki, oni, kappan, and tengu are just a few examples of yōkai. The Nine-Tailed Fox is also a very famous example of a yōkai. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 15:43, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
-::Furthermore, shouldn't the Kyuubi's(or any Tailed Beast's) chakra be considered You''ki'', and not Youkai as the latter refers to the beast, itself, and not it's energy/power? --[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 06:12, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
 == Family ==
+I noticed that each Tailed Beast has the Sage of the Six Paths listed as "Creator" on the family part of their infoboxes.
+But should the other Tailed Beasts be listed on their pages as well? For example:
+In the infobox of Shukaku:
-Now that we know that the tailed beasts all originated from a single beast, that makes them sorta family. Should we list them as such? [[User:Simant|Simant]] ([[User talk:Simant|talk]]) 19:34, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
-:I don't know. Family's kinda stretching it just a bit. But...maybe perhaps.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 21:28, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
-::Considering the facts that A) They are not even the same species in any way, shape, or form, B) They are living masses of pure energy that could possibly change their phyisical forms, and C) They have shown no interaction in each other's presence (Such as Shukaku not giving a care when Naruto uses the fox's chakra to summon Gamabunta) I'd say no. Interesting concept though lol. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 22:08, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
-:A) it doesn't matter that they aren't the same species, as long as they descend from a common ancestor, which in this case is a single "generation" away. B) What does it matter that they could change their forms? C) Who cares if they are unfriendly with each other, that does not affect their status of being related. (Sibling rivalry...) . [[User:Simant|Simant]] ([[User talk:Simant|talk]]) 00:08, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
-::A) They come from this "common ancestor"s energy, not nessesarly DNA, when one thinks of family, they either think of adoption or blood relation, neither of which I am not sure the Biju have. B) If they can change form, then it is possible they can change their DNA, though I am also not sure on that account. C) I didn't mean just unfriendly, Shukaku gives no attention to the chakra of the most powerful of the Tailed-beasts, either it thinks it can defeat the fox, or it is just unfamiliar with the fox and it's chakra, which would make sense seeing as the Sage "sent the nine chakras across the lands" or something like that. Anyway, we shouldn't put any family relation on these guys unless it is said in cannon, they are beings of pure energy, hard to define that into family terms. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 19:20, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
+Hagoromo Otsutsuki (Creator)
-== Eight Nine ????/ ==
+Matatabi (Sibling)
-On 142 shippuden it mentions that they only have 6 out of 9 intead of seven.and im not being guided by subs it actually says there are 3 missingthat should be listed on trivia.
+Isobu (Sibling)
-Ismell new anime arc
+Son Goku (Sibling)
-there is a new filler series about the six tailed slug, check it out search for utakata or rokubi[[User:Shauli|Shauli]] ([[User talk:Shauli|talk]]) 22:09, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
+Kokuo (Sibling)
-== Danzō? ==
+Saiken (Sibling)
-Should we list Danzō as being able to control a tailed beast in the trivia section, because Madara said that he could control the Nine-Tailed Fox beacause he has both Uchiha and Hashirama's abilities? --[[Special:Contributions/98.211.195.17|98.211.195.17]] ([[User talk:98.211.195.17|talk]]) 20:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:'''Could''' is different between '''can''' control the Nine-Tails. Until we have point blank proof that this gamble allows him to be able to control the Nine-Tails, we have to assume at the moment he can't.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 20:25, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:Is it relevant at all considering Danzō is dead and therefore unable to control anything? [[User:MocosII|MocosII]] ([[User talk:MocosII|talk]]) 20:25, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
-:He wasn't dead when the previous post was made... Dates on comments are good to look at. - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 20:32, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
+etc...
-== Locked ==
+--[[User:RIkudo|RIkudo]] ([[User talk:RIkudo|talk]]) 17:42, December 20, 2013 (UTC)
+==Ten-Tails==
-Could this be unlocked please? I want to make an edit on how that the Fox's [[http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/69878488/3 comment]] which indicates that the tailed beasts have indeed had contact with each other. All we have now is just a comment between the Ox and Bee and I would like to cut that down and improve it with our new information. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 01:36, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
+Is it really a Tailed Beast? Well, maybe we have more evidences appointing to yes, but, from all I knew, I thought tailed beasts are enourmous monsters of chakra, that have different abilities and a different number of tails, created by Sage of Six Paths, from Ten-Tails Chakra. That primordial monster, is enormous contruct of chakra, but, it is not created by Sage. This get in my mind, when I was thinking about Six Paths of Pain and Six Paths Techinique. Six Paths of Pain, is just a style that Nagato created to use the latter. Tailed Beast are just a "new style of Ten-Tails" created by the Sage. Six Paths of Pain, can be even considered a Six Paths Techinique, but Six Paths Techinique is not Six Paths of Pain. Tailed Beast are nicknamed that, not the Ten-Tails, so they are Tailed Beast but the First Monster not. Like Kurama said, it is like a force of nature that acts by instinct, and tailed beast have intelligence. They're different things, so, Ten-Tails can not be considered a Tailed Beast.
-:You should be able to edit, only unregistered users can't edit it.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 01:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
-::Hmmm...Thanks. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 01:42, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
+[[User:MaskedManMadara|MaskedManMadara]] ([[User talk:MaskedManMadara|talk]]) 13:57, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
+:[[Talk:Shinju#species/classification again ...|Discussed before.]] To long didn't read: it probably shouldn't be, but it's the best classification that can be given to it without going stupid.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:11, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
-== Affiliations ==
+@MMM, don't bother, tried once, twice, thrice to no avail. It's gonna stay a tailed beast in here also gedo mazo and shinju will have separate articles despite being the same thing, just because... :P --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:28, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
-It was [[Talk:Seven-Tailed_Horned_Beetle#Affilation|brought to attention]] that it's the jinchūriki that has the affiliation to a village, not the tailed beast. However, some beasts have their jinchūriki's affiliations listed as their own. Unless there's a obscure reference I'm not familiar with, all tailed beasts should either have the affiliation of their hosts, or no affiliation at all. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:32, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
+== Chakra has chakra? ==
-:Perhaps only the Tailed Beasts of those who have control over them, such as Killer Bee and Yagura. We don't know how much control the others had over their tailed beasts, so they (the tailed beasts) could have acted the same as the Nine-Tailed Fox.--[[User:Kagimizu|<font color="#0000FF">'''Kagi'''</font><font color="#FF0000">'''mizu'''</font>]]-[[User talk:Kagimizu|<font color="#008000">'''Seeya'''</font> <font color="#FFA500">''''round'''</font>]]~ 23:34, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
+So I don't understand. It says the tailed beasts are chakra monsters, but at the same time they have chakra. The reason why I bring thi up is because in chapter 666 obito ripped of a 'portion' of the eight tails and one tail. Does that mean he ripped off a part of themselvees, as in their consciousness, or just their chakra?--[[User:AsianInvasion711|AsianInvasion711]] ([[User talk:AsianInvasion711|talk]]) 23:05, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
-::Three-Tails isn't listed with a Kirigakure affiliation, Two-Tails is listed with Kumogakure, Shukaku is listed with Sunagakure. Still doesn't make sense. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
+:The tailed beasts are made of immense reserves of chakra, that's why they are called ''Chakra Monsters''. For now, all we know is that Obito took a fragment of chakra from the One-Tail and the Eight-Tails. We do not know wheter there is some consciousness in these fragments.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 23:22, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
-:::Three-Tails should be former, Yugito had some control over Two-Tails, and Shukaku should be former because of his multiple Suna hosts and his capture.--[[User:Kagimizu|<font color="#0000FF">'''Kagi'''</font><font color="#FF0000">'''mizu'''</font>]]-[[User talk:Kagimizu|<font color="#008000">'''Seeya'''</font> <font color="#FFA500">''''round'''</font>]]~ 00:21, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
+You are taking that too literary. There were created from chakra. But they have real physical bodies which create chakra and can even run out if chakra and have to restore it using meditation or whatever, like Shinobi.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:18, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
-::::If some control accounts for the affiliation, might as well mark all the affiliations, since all the tailed beasts were trapped inside the hosts, and not being taken over by a beast is a sign of control. Either all should have the affiliation or none. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:08, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
+== Summoning ==
-:::::The only tailed beast who was actually given a canon affiliation was Shukaku. The Nine-Tails was given no affiliation and the other tailed beasts never had any databook profiles. Perhaps it is best if we remove all of their affiliations, until we have confirmation. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 10:48, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
-:In the second fanbook, when the last tailed beasts were revealed, did they have affiliations themselves or was it just the jinchūriki? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
+The Ten-Tails was also subjected to the use of Summoning Technique just like Kurama. We need to add that to the Trivia section--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 19:01, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
+:Chapter 663 page 13. Madara summoned it and then sealed it inside of him.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 15:59, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
+::He didn't summon it, he remade it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
-::It wasn't completely clear, but the way the information was given implied that the affiliation belonged to the jinchūriki, rather than the tailed beast. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 20:22, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
+:::What are you on about Ulti? The Ten-Tails was summoned as Gedo Mazo--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:09, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
+::: He actually did summon it. After the Statue absorbed the beasts, it vanished in a blast of smoke. Later on, when Madara wanted to become the jinchūriki, he is shown making a handseal and summoning it back to the battlefield. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 16:22, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
-== Can they die when outside of their hosts? ==
+::::Also this. We were told not once that Rinnegan user can summon the Ten-Tails. Explanation for that? Don't ask, no idea, but it's true--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:27, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
+:::::Examples please? I can only recall the pulling of the beasts into the statue, a bunch of crying that Naruto and Sasuke were dying, and then Madara casually jamming the Ten-Tails into his gut.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:44, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
-The thing I was wondering was if the tailed beasts can die. I know that they can die if they are inside of their hosts, such as Kabuto tried with Naruto and  [[Kurotsuchi]] advized for Bee and Naruto, but what about when they are not tied to a human? They are pure chakra, and chakra is energy, and the laws of physics state that energy is never destroyed, only converted. Granted you can permantently defeat them by yanking their sould out (like with the Fox in [[Minato Namikaze]] had/could(?) go all the way. But can they die, for good?
+::::::/LookedMySelf, Ah yes. The Ten-Tails reformed someplace else and Madara brought it back once it was done. I stand correct corrected.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:49, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
-:I ask since this would have solved a lot of problems if the beasts could be killed. Moreover, it will determine how difficult the [[Fourth Great Shinobi World War]] will be if they are fighting monsters they can beat to exhaustion, but cannot kill. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 20:39, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-::In standard Japanese folklore, no. Gods and Demons typically are immortal, which is why they usually have to be sealed in some sacred shrine, tree or something when they go wild. So if Naruto follows this standard, then the tailed beasts are indeed immortal, unless you kill their host then they die right along with them. Now if this isn't the case, it is extreamly possible that it is just impossible for a normal person to kill one. They are creatures of pure, foul, and powerful chakra giving solid form. If they are killable, it would probably be really really hard, and would most likely result in a country being leveled.
-::All of this is speculative garble though.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 20:53, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:::Still useful though. Moreover, it indicates that sealing jutsu might be essential to this conflict.
-:::Will link this with the [[Fourth Great Shinobi World War]]. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 20:56, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:How is speculation useful here? (rhetorical) - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 20:59, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:I think there's a policy about this. Something about forms and social security numbers. Or was it forums? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 21:02, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-::1) How do you start one? 2) The fact that there does not appear to be a way to kill one if unleashed seems to be moving more towards fact than speculation 3)I think it is the numbers part. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 21:59, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:::It's a bit off-topic, but gods and demons are not actually immortal in Japanese mythology. They are just extremely difficult to kill, if not impossible for humans. There are plenty of examples of gods and demons dying, like Izanami-no-Mikoto, Ukemochi-no-Kami, and Yamata-no-Orochi. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 22:47, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-::::By difficulat to kill do you mean taking an insane amount of damage before going down, or a specific ritual or object needed (my Japanese mythology is severvely lacking)? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 22:49, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::I mean it generally seems to require another god. Izanami-no-Mikoto was the first living creature to ever have died after being fatally burned by giving birth to Kagutsuchi-no-Kami, who was then promptly killed by Izanagi-no-Mikoto with the Totsuka-no-Tsurugi. Ukemochi-no-Kami was killed by Tsukuyomi-no-Mikoto with a sword after disgusting her by vomiting up and defecating a meal for Amaterasu-Ōmikami, leading to the separation of night and day. Yamata-no-Orochi was killed by Susanoo-no-Mikoto with the Totsuka-no-Tsurugi, leading to his marriage with Kushinada-hime and the discovery of the Kusanagi-no-Tsurugi. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 23:05, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-::::::That would mean then that only way to defeat a tailed beast would be with another? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 23:14, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-It means there's no such thing as true immortality. Especially not in a world where mere mortal humans have all but ascended to godhood and actual gods have no problems doing the dirty work for humans. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 23:58, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:Come again? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:58, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-:: Basically, a tailed beast can be killed, just like any other creature. They may be creatures of pure energy, however they still have physical, living breathing forms. Just their sheer power makes it near impossible for the average shinobi to kill them, perhaps a shinobi like A or Kisame could possibly due it, noting the fact they have chakra levels said to be similar to tailed-beasts. And the fact that they could be seperated from their chakra, as shown with the Jubi and Kyubi, they could easily be killed (though there is no known case), sealed away, or in the Kyubi's case, as dead as a will with no power can be inside a host. Also, it was my understanding that Japanese mythology Shinto, Kami and yokai WERE considered immortal, or at least Kami were, until the introduction of Buddhism in which they all become part of the cycle, birth, life, death, then rebirth? --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 23:38, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
-well,even if they had no host,yes,they could probaly still b "killed"...but their energy(chakra) would still remain,,,4 example,after the 9-tails rampage(yes i'm referin 2 sora),he left a part behind...
-Most likely, since they are composed entirely of chakra, the only way to kill the would be to "eat" them, and even then you would need both enough of a resistance to their chakra to survive, and a way to vent it to prevent yourself from dying due to chakra overload, unless you could hold tailed beast levels of chakra
-== Trivia ==
-So it’s state that Five-Tailed Dolphin Horse and the Seven-Tailed Horn Beetle where captured prior to Part II. That I’m ok with, but I think under trivia even though the time in which the tailed beasts where captured is not mentioned, it may be actually prior to the start of Part I.
-Kisame in episode 10 of Shippuden, made the comment about how the [[Sealing Technique: Phantom Dragons Nine Consuming Seals|extraction process may take longer]] due to Orichimaru not being with the Akatsuki any longer and since Orichimaru was no longer part of the group in Part I, it thus suggests that Orichimaru helped the Akatsuki with the other two tailed beasts. Therefore the Akatsuki must have cought those two tailed beast before the start of the series. {{unsigned|41.27.5.156}}
-Not really, it could mean that it would take longer because the technique is meant to be used with 10 members performing it instead of 9, Orochimaru simply being the example of the tenth member, likely because he still has his ring, and we still have no idea what they actually do. Zetsu also implied once that the fewer people performing, the longer it takes. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:08, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
-== Tailed beast images ==
-I wanted to use [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Bijuu_and_Jinchuuriki.jpg this jpg image] to replace the current one ([http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:BijuuandJinchuuriki.png the png one]) because I cropped off the middle part that was included in the png one (I made the jpg have similar size and quality as the png, only better). But if you prefer png files, I'll upload the jpg one into a png file. Please reply. (P.S You can delete [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:BijuuandJinchuuriki.jpg this image].) [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 18:24, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
-Uh, should we put Naruto as a person who can control a beast.  I doubt that now.  Never mind.--[[Special:Contributions/99.70.93.27|99.70.93.27]] ([[User talk:99.70.93.27|talk]]) 03:53, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
-==Nine-Tails Control==
-Shouldn't Naruto be added to the list of jinchuriki that have learned to control their Tailed Beasts. In the latest chapter, Kisame said Naruto has learned to control the Nine-Tails. Isn't worth mentioning at least? [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] 10:10am ETZ Aug-5-10
-: In all technicallity, Naruto isn't able to ''control'' the Nine-Tails itself, as much as he now has power over its chakra. Madara is able to control the Nine-Tails itself to do what he wants, the First was able to control the tailed-beasts and stop them with his Wood Techniques, Killer Bee can apparently control his tailed-beast, or at least cooperate with it with this knowedgle being unknown to people who don't know his relationship with the Eight-Tails and assume he can control it, and Yagura could be the same way, or can just control the Three-Tails itself. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 01:48, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
-== Full Names ==
-I recently realised we really have no basis in the series for the "full names" (e.g. Two-Tailed Monster Cat, Seven-Tailed Horned Beetle) of any of the tailed beasts, other than the Nine-Tails and Shukaku. Perhaps it would be better if we remove them and start using their short names, like Two-Tails and Seven-Tails. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:15, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
-:Agree. If they're referred to as something in the series or supplemental then that should be mentioned in the article, but extracting a name from "The Three-Tails looks like a giant turtle" is a poor practice. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:20, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
-::I'm of the mind to keep what we have now. If only because I'm nitpicky and I don't like going Shukaku (which I assume would be used) to Two-Tails up to Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. I could ''maybe'' get behind just using "X-Tails" for everything. Maybe. But I prefer X-Tails Y.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 18:31, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
-:::Seeing how much time we spend choosing names when the artbook came out and revealed the remaining beasts, i find it a little bit redundant to remove the extra name! --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 18:52, September 9, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
-::::Actually, in light of consistency, I would argue to use #-Tails for all tailed beasts, including Shukaku. The point I'm trying to make is that none of the tailed beasts are ever called "the #-Tailed X," except for the Nine-Tails (Nine-Tailed Demon Fox) and Shukaku (One-Tailed Shukaku). It would be fanon to call the Sis-Tails the "Six-Tailed Slug". It would even be fanon to call the Eight-Tails the "Eight-Tailed Giant Ox," since he has only been called "Eight-Tails" and "Giant Ox" separately and never as one name. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 19:02, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::My opinion is the same as Gojita's. The fact the current names all have a canon basis, be it Suigetsu's description and Kishimoto's comments on them in the fanbook means the names right now aren't necessarily fanon. If anything, we can keep the current names and check the unnamed box. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:48, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
-::::::If I may offer a similar case: we do not use "Torune Aburame". "Torune" is valid since that is what everyone calls him, and "Aburame" is valid since he has been established through the comments of others and his own jutsu to be from the Aburame clan. We do not mix the two since that combination is likely incorrect. And yet this is done with the tailed beasts, official designations being combined with characters' descriptors or (in the case of six and seven) fan descriptors. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 00:08, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
-::::::::But with Torune, we have good reason to believe it's an alias, unlike the Tailed Beasts. If Tenzo was Yamato's actual name instead of an old codename, we'd use it. We know Torune is an Aburame, but since Torune is, or is most likely to be an alias, we don't mix the two. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:17, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
-:In my opinion, the situation with the tailed beasts is different from using ''Torune Aburame'', but definitely similar.
-:With Torune, we have two names with two different functions. One is his codename: ''Torune'' and one his his family name: ''Aburame''.
-:With the tailed beasts, let's use the Eight-Tails as an example, we also have two names. One is their "tails" name: ''Eight-Tails'' and the other is a description: ''Giant Ox''.
-:However, we cannot just assume this description is part of their full name, especially not in cases where we thought of the description ourselves. The Nine-Tails is called a "demon fox," but it has also been called monster fox, nine-tailed fox, and a bunch of other things. None of which can be considered the fox's name.
-:I think we should really go with the only truly canon names we have for most of the tailed beasts, their "tails" names. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 12:21, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
-::Could we at least preserve the smaller parts in "other names" section of the infobox? For example, Two Tails has been called "monster cat" and "living ghost", those could go in the separate field in the infobox. Same for Giant Ox for Eight-Tails, anime descriptions and Kishimoto's comments on their designs from the second artbook. Hopefully Madara will make use of the beasts in the war so we can get entries on them in the next databook. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:45, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:::I was never planning on removing the names completely. The names that were used in the series should be found on the page. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:36, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
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-:I was thinking of moving all of the beasts to X-Tails, but I see this discussion never reached much of a consensus. Has anyone changed their minds in these last six months? Does anyone else have something to add? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 04:02, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-::I agree, their current names may have a basis, but they are not official. Most of the beasts have been called X-tails, so that's what I think we should use.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 04:19, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-:::Would prefer the full names, just to be different but its neither here nor there. We can toss em under the "Other" section in the infobox so they aren't a total waste.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 05:38, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-::::But most of them aren't even "other". They're what we - the fans - [[Talk:Tailed_beasts/Archive_2#Names|decided to call them]]. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:01, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-:::::I know. I ment that last bit to be more of a question, as in "Can we toss em under the "Other" section in the infobox so they aren't a total waste".--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 11:27, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Most of them are preserved under the species parameter. I don't think the "full names" should be kept for 3-8 (not sure about 2; 1 and 9 are legit). '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:25, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-/shrug. I just don't want to lose the lovely Japanese we came up with everything.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 17:45, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
-Anyone else?--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 21:42, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
-:Bump.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 16:31, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
-I'm good with the decision.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 16:55, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
-Yeah. I agree. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Loverr]][[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|2]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|6]] 17:37, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
-:I agree too. Let's do it. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 18:08, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
-::Err, are we going to change the names now or what? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 01:49, June 3, 2011 (UTC)
-:::I agree, but I suggest we wait another day or two before changing all this, just in case someone disagrees. ''''' ~ [[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] '''''<sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup> 05:13, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
-Here's an idea: keep the Nine-Tails and One-Tail with their current names, since those have been used in canon, move the other tails to the "X-Tails" format, but keep their current names in the other names section just in case. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:50, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
-:But those names aren't real, their fan made.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 20:55, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
-::Through canon comments. Two-Tails for example, was called 'Monster Cat' by Hidan. I think they should just be kept somewhere, maybe even in a talk page, or uncommented in the infobox. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:55, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
-:::So no one disagrees to changing beasts 3-8 to X-Tails? ''''' ~ [[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] '''''<sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup> 12:42, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-So can we start moving the pages now?--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 18:21, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-:It's been over a week, and no one said no, I'll start moving them, but can the NarutoBot help with changing their names in the articles? ''''' ~ [[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] '''''<sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup> 18:44, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-I'm not sure if Two-Tails should be moved. Didn't Hidan say "Nibi no Bakeneko" as one name?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 20:29, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-:No I'm pretty sure that he said just bakeneko and ikiryō. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 20:40, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-::So...was it a "no" on my question to put the names we came up with under the "Other" category or at least mention it under trivia or something?--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 23:44, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-:::I think the made-up names should be somewhere in the article. ''''' ~ [[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] '''''<sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup> 23:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
-::::Why? They're made up. What's the use in mentioning them? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 01:29, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-:::::It just seems some amount of effort was used to make them up, and several online communities use those same made-up names. ''''' ~ [[User talk:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] '''''<sup>([[User:Fmakck#Images I've Added|Images]] | [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|contribs]])</sup> 01:57, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Wait...you mean "Kyuubi no Youko" isn't the Kyuubi's real name? --[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 05:33, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-Still kinda fit. Like we agreed the last time, the the beasts were named after the form they took. And it just seems like a waste of good work. At least worth something. As long as the name of the articles were changed, no point in not having them in my opinion.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 09:28, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-:Because my mind just keeps going and going. To add to the above; Nothing is lost, and something is gained.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 09:30, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-:Thinking about it, the Four-Tails, Five-tails, Six-Tails, and Seven-Tails were all just named after their closest real-life species.  Since we'd already be mentioning those species in the info boxes (I assume), we don't specifically have to name them again, methinks.
-:The Two-Tails was actually called a {{translation|monster cat|化け猫|bakeneko}} in the manga, so we should definitely mention that. The same goes for the Three-Tails and {{translation|giant turtle|巨大亀|kyodaigame}}, and the Eight-Tails and {{translation|giant ox|巨牛Kyogyū}}. In the same manner, we should probably mention the name {{translation|monster tanuki|化け狸|bakedanuki}} in Shukaku's article and the name {{translation|monster fox|化け狐, バケ狐|bakegitsune}} in the Nine-Tails' article. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:26, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-::Would listing it in their respective infoboxes be fine?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-:It occurs to me that [[Zero-Tailed Masked Leech]] was left out of the loop... '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:40, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
-::I'm too lazy to go watch that movie again to see if it was only called Zero-Tails, or if it was actually called what we call it at the moment. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:46, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
-::It was only called the Zero-Tails. Zero-Tailed Masked Leech came about from the previous naming decision.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 03:27, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
-== Mortality ==
-I was just wondering, does anyone know if the Tailed Beast can be killed? Kishimoto has never really stated such, and when Kushina offered to die with the Nine Tails inside of her, she said that it would prevent it from comming back for a while. Does that mean that they are immortal beings that cannot be killed? Ever? [[User:Peruzka|Peruzka]] ([[User:Peruzka|Peruzka]]) 03:57, September 15, 2010 (UTC) Peruzka
-:Sounds like this has been sufficiently answered lately. They don't die..not permanently. They just get reborn eventually. --[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 05:37, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-==Full Control==
-I was wondering on the Jinchuriki page it says who has full control, Shouldnt Yagito Nii be on that list. Because she was able to transform into the beast witout loosing control of her self. And in one of the newer chapters A or Bee said that Bee and Nii went to that island to learn how to control their tailed beast.[[User:Scott swag|Scott swag]] ([[User talk:Scott swag|talk]]) 04:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
-:She isn't included amongst Madara's list of those in full control. I would, because of that, argue that Naruto is not in full control either. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:06, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
-:Her control was obviously high, it probably just wasn't quite as total as Killerbee's. Maybe when she was in full cat move it influenced her actions or something, she did close the area off first after all. Anyway, she wasn't on the list. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 06:12, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
-::OOh thanks for clearing that up.[[User:Scott swag|Scott swag]] ([[User talk:Scott swag|talk]]) 15:13, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
-While on the topic, didn't Killer Bee say in chapter 515 that Naruto didn't have full control over the fox yet, and had to train? [[Special:Contributions/90.239.110.31|90.239.110.31]] ([[User talk:90.239.110.31|talk]]) 20:43, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
-In all technicality, Naruto doesn't have control over the Nine-Tails at all, just its power. If I remember correctly, Danzo stated his list; "Only four shinobi in history could control the '''tailed beasts''': The First Hokage, Madara, Killer Bee, and Yagura." Naruto can't exactly control the Nine-Tails itself like Madara can, he was only able to take away its power and lock it away. Even its power he doesn't have full control over, where as Killer Bee demonstrates in the latest chapter his ability to use the Eight-Tails chakra as if it were "his own arms and legs". --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 23:52, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
-== Original Legends ==
-I think there should be an original legends page (like a companion page) that lists the original animals on the tailed beasts, ie the Weasel, Badger, Dog, etc.
-[[Special:Contributions/75.37.53.190|75.37.53.190]] ([[User talk:75.37.53.190|talk]]) 23:38, December 4, 2010 (UTC)TiannaMVA@Fanfiction.Net
-Yeah, those are fake. No one has ever provided a reliable source showing such a legend actually exists. The only place I ever saw those being mentioned are random online boards. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:46, December 4, 2010 (UTC)
-:''Fake?'' The Kyuubi no Youko, at ''least'', is based on a real Japanese Myth. In it, Kitsune gain one tail every 100 years they live, growing progressively stronger until they are a millennium old and attain all nine tails. With them, they acquire omniscience, omnipotence, and immortality. Then, there's the tanuki, that the Ichibi seems to be based on, and the Nekomata, a Two-tailed monster cat in mythology. --[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 05:45, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-::There was some truth in that so-called ''Legend of the Tailed Beasts'', however, most of the information was incorrect or twisted to fit the author's goals and the entire idea of a group of mythical animals called the Tailed Beasts has no foundation in real-life mythology. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:27, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-:::Oh! I thought the subject was just about the myths that some of the beasts were apparently based on.. I didn't know there had been a false legend tying them all together like that floating around. My apologies, then. >.< --[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 22:54, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-== Control over the bijuu ==
-In the trivia where it says that some jinchurikis have control over their tailed beast, I think is being left the 2-tailed beast jinchuriki, she seem to have quite control even to transform in her bijjuu, I am right? [[User:TheNewSheik|TheNewSheik]] ([[User talk:TheNewSheik|talk]]) 08:23, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
-:Although she can transform into it, she doesn't have very good control over it, much like Naruto's [[Naruto_Uzumaki's_Jinchūriki_Forms#Three-Tailed_Form|Three Tailed Transformation]]. '''''- [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck]] - [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]]''''' 20:42, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
-== Sealing ==
-To be sealed in the pot the third raikage used, the beast has to respond to it's name. But in the tailed beasts article it says "When tailed beasts are sealed within humans, they are able to benefit from the knowledge of their hosts, '''giving them the ability to speak''' and better utilize their powers." If responding is talking, then something doesn't add up, where is the reference for that bit from the tailed beasts article? [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 13:07, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
-:Although I'll readily admit I can't for the life of me remember it ever being stated that bijū cannot talk outside of their host, responding is a very broad term and certainly doesn't need to refer to only spoken responses. Simply turning your head towards the speaker is already a response in some way. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 13:11, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
-::http://www.mangareader.net/93-56104-8/naruto/chapter-504.html The fox says "Damned humans." [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 13:20, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
-:::Well, that proves bijū can speak outside of a jinchūriki. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 13:23, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
-::::So i guess i'll remove that whole bit. [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 18:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
-:::::We do have to take in consideration that the Nine-Tails at that point was recently released. Deidara does tell Tobi that the Three-Tails was easier to defeat because it didn't have a host. Either that or because it spent so long without a host. Chapter 317 or 318. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:31, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
-::::::Isn't a dog barking at you when you call it's name(or just calling out to it) a response? And, as Shounen said, even looking at someone when they're talking to you is a response. Though, I've wondered about that line..what does it really mean? Is that a correct translation? Did it just mean that human intelligence and coherence lets them focus their power in a way they couldn't on their own? --[[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 06:05, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
-I want to add that the Ichibi could speak, too. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 06:36, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:Ichibi was also at that time sealed in Gaara, similar to Hachibi being able to speak through Killer B. --[[User:VolteMetalic|VolteMetalic]] ([[User talk:VolteMetalic|talk]]) 09:49, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-::Ichibi was free at one point: When Gaara used his Feigned Sleep Technique. It was definitly the Ichibi talking then, not Gaara. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:28, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:::That's not free, that's unrestrained. Shukaku was still sealed inside Gaara, he was just allowed to manifest itself. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:49, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-::::Then why is the VA different? And if that's not free, how was the Kyuubi free when Tobi controlled him? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:39, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-One VA for the host, one for the beast. Shukaku was still sealed inside Gaara, it simply had taken over him. By free, I mean not sealed in a host, like the Three-Tails was when Tobi and Deidara captured it. Gaara simply allowed the Shukaku to take over, but Shukaku was still sealed inside Gaara, bound to him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:50, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-== Three-Tailed Giant Turtle Water Ball ==
-as i was re-watching shippuden, i noticed that the sanbi can use 3 "water balls" at the same time, not just 2.
---[[User:Djo5296|Djo5296]] ([[User talk:Djo5296|talk]]) 13:19, April 3, 2011 (UTC)djo5296
-i will include a picture as proof ASAP.--[[User:Djo5296|Djo5296]] ([[User talk:Djo5296|talk]]) 15:01, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
-== Detection ==
-In 565, the Eight-Tails was able to detect that the other tailed beasts had been resealed into their hosts. This suggests that tailed beasts can detect each other when in proximity. In part I, does anyone remember how Shukaku reacted to Naruto or his tailed beast chakra? I recall him not recognising Naruto and Gamabunta when they turned into a fox (though I remember in the manga there was only one tail). [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:07, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
-:He didn't react in any way, but that can be chalked up to the fact(s) that he knew/sensed it wasn't the Nine-Tails and it only having one tail or something. I think it'd be fine to make a note according to what happened in chapter 565.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 22:11, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
-Add to that, that Nine-Tails and Eight-Tails knows each other ...
-There were one being before basically :P
---[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:18, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
-:What I mean about Shukaku is that from what the Eight-Tails showed, tailed beasts can sense each other when close, even if both are sealed. Shukaku and the Nine-Tails should have sensed each other, though we would only know from Shukaku, since it was actually released, unlike the Nine-Tails. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:33, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
-== Different? ==
-The [[Eight-Tails]] mentioned that Utakata,Roshi,Fu,Yugito,Han were made back into Jinchuriki, does this mean that they contain the beasts inside them again or they merely retained their powers when they were [[Summoning: Impure World Resurrection|revived]]?
-The Eight Tails also mentioned that it felt the Tailed Beasts were different. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.22.50|119.154.22.50]] ([[User talk:119.154.22.50|talk]]) 11:34, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
-:Apparently Tobi actually resealed the beasts into them. I don't know why when it took so much effort to extract them in the first place, but he seems fine with it ~_~--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:48, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
-Can their 'Difference' mean that Tobi is controlling in the same way he controlled Yagura as the Mizukage? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.3.29|119.154.3.29]] ([[User talk:119.154.3.29|talk]]) 10:08, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-The Difference is most likely Tobi's chakra since he control them with the rods.
---[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:26, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-It was also stated that Yagura was under a genjutsu.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 15:32, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-So he's controlling them with a mixture of Chakra Rods and genjutsu right? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.23.109|119.154.23.109]] ([[User talk:119.154.23.109|talk]]) 16:24, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-:Why is genjutsu necessary?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 16:27, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-::I think they were confused cause you said Yagura was controlled by genjutsu. As for the tailed beast now, it could be the chakra rods but we don't know. Wait until the next chapter is released and they might explain why. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 16:55, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-In short, we don't know, and we shouldn't speculate. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:08, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
-== Relationship with other Tailed Beast ==
-Seeing as the new chapter mentions the one-tail and two-tails to hate the nine-tails because of his views on their strength because of their tails, do you think we have enough information to have a section about how the tailed-beast act/feel about each other? [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 12:00, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:I think I missed the part where it said the Nine-Tails also looks down on the Two-Tails, I only recall th Eight-Tails saying that about the One-Tail. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:08, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
-::Whoops. I somehow got the word Ichibi mixed up with Yonbi '^.^ That's what I get for skimming the text on my first go-through of the chapter. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 13:13, December 14, 2011 (UTC)
-== Shukakus part. ==
-Well, the other beasts are all mentioned about being resealed in their jinchuriki. I think we should also put a part in his section. It's sort of like we've forgot about him xD Will add something, feel free to remove if you disagree. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 10:15, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
-:What could we put in his part? He hasn't been seen/heard of since the beginning of Shippuden chapters :S [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 10:18, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
-Like "it seems he is the only Tailed Beast not re-sealed into a host from those controlled by Tobi" and "Kyubi think that Ichibi is weak" or something :P
---[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:53, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
-== Pseudo-jinchuriki ==
-Honestly, the stuff about the unnamed Kumogakure, the Gold and Silver Brothers, and Sora should probably be moved to the jinchuriki page.
-Also, the detail about the Six-Tails doesn't really seem like it should be there, unless we're going to cover all the manga-anime differences for how the Tailed Beasts were caught.
-The summoning technique bit (is it even true any more, given the recent chapters?) can easily go with the Madara bit, or the summoning technique article. There's really no evidence that there's anything ''limiting'' it to the Nine-tails, it just hasn't been done.
-The Taka note can probably stand to be shortened. All that really needs to be communicated is that the seventh beast and Taka joining are switched in the anime.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:15, December 20, 2011 (UTC)
-== Original names ==
-So, considering they have their original names, how are we going to do this? I see that Son Goku and Kurama have already been moved to fit Shukaku's naming. Are we going to keep this, or will we move them just to the non-numerical name? From what I saw in the chapter, they consider their names to be just the non-numerical tail part. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:09, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-:I suggest to just keep it. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 13:16, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-: Yeah, I was thinking the same. But imo we should wait until all names are revealed.  [[User:Geohound|geohound]] | [[User_talk:Geohound|talk]]
-(EDITCONFLICTS!) I'm going to go with honouring the words of Son Gok(u/ū) (I think that might need to be changed:s) and just calling them by their given names. He did after all call the numerical portion a "moniker" and I'm sure we're getting the others' names soon so it won't be a problem with consistency. This way we'd do away with people renaming the articles "Monster|Giant|Demon w/e"--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:22, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-I we should remove the tailed parts from their names.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 13:29, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-:What do you mean exactly? --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 13:36, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-Since Narutopedia is suppose to have as accurate information as possible, we should drop the Tail part and call them by their real name (if now the translation can be trusted). With redirects people will find the beasts, and the tailed part will still be in the infobox. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 13:39, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-:@Ilnarutoanime: I think he means moving them to just the name, if the name is known. For example, articles would be named "Shukaku", "Son Goku" and "Kurama". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:41, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-::So the Nine-Tails gets moved to Kurama, and Four-Tails moved to Son Goku. Shukaku can stay as is because we honestly don't know if that is it's actual name or just another moniker but changing it is fine with me.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 13:52, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-:::Well Omni that's a great idea!--[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 13:55, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-::::[[Kurama|Like this.]]--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 13:58, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-I think on this page we should keep them listed as One-Nine Tails, but when redirected to their main pages, have the main page renamed to original names. Just for those who come to the Wiki and don't know of the o/names, and may have difficulties finding them. It's just a thought, but it could be very helpful for those who are only watching the anime and aren't quite as ahead. Any thoughts? [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 14:48, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-Scratch that, saw how you've done it. n.n [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 14:56, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-Shouldn't Shukaku also be referred to as One-Tailed Tanuki instead of One-Tailed Shukaku? [[Special:Contributions/67.84.95.51|67.84.95.51]] ([[User talk:67.84.95.51|talk]]) 19:50, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-:Also, would it be easier to have each named Tailed Beast's number of tails in their full title? For example, instead of just "Kurama", it would read something like "Kurama the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox" or just "Nine-Tailed Kurama". [[Special:Contributions/67.84.95.51|67.84.95.51]] ([[User talk:67.84.95.51|talk]]) 05:49, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
-please read the top f this section, also the tailed part is just an unecesary moniker given by the human characters. thus their aactual names minus tailed is much more acurate, however the blank-tails part should probably be put in the part of the infobox were the characters monikers and nicknames are put.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.243.10|98.26.243.10]] ([[User talk:98.26.243.10|talk]]) 06:02, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
-== Gender? ==
-I propose the idea of changing some articles where we call some of the tailed beasts "it, its", namely the Nine-Tails, Four-Tails, Shukaku, and Eight-Tails (going to be weird calling them actual names) since recent chapters have been calling them by gender terms, the Four-Tails refers himself as a king, the Four and Eight-Tails refer to the Nine-Tails as a he several times, and the fact that the tailed beasts have personalities proposes that they may view themselves as a male or female, or may have a male or female personality, sorta similar to Digimon where they may not have the physical gender parts, but do have the personalities of either a male or female. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 19:24, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-:Don't trust what you see in scanlations. There are gender neutral pronouns in Japanese. Some translators could simply decide the gender.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 19:30, December 26, 2011 (UTC)
-== Isobu main article link ==
-Would it be possible for someone to change the main article link of Isopu to Isobu please, as editing has been locked for me on this page and I'm unable to fix it. Thankyou in advance! [[User:Miforever29|Miforever29]] ([[User talk:Miforever29|talk]]) 14:39, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
-*Fixed. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:42, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
-* Thankyou! [[User:Miforever29|Miforever29]] ([[User talk:Miforever29|talk]]) 15:14, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
-== Anime ==
-It's said in the article "In the anime, all the tailed beasts' chakra is coloured red." It doesn't only happen in the anime if you look at the cover of Volume 26 'The Day of Parting' and Volume 47 'The Seal Destroyed' you will see that the tailed beast chakra is red and orange too. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.68.152|119.154.68.152]] ([[User talk:119.154.68.152|talk]]) 14:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
-Bump [[Special:Contributions/119.154.69.138|119.154.69.138]] ([[User talk:119.154.69.138|talk]]) 08:33, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
-:Those are two examples of the same demon (Nine-Tails) and its chakra was already confirmed red.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 10:42, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
-Basically, isn't all Tailed beast chakra red/orange? My point is that we should remove the line which says that in the anime all the tailed beast chakra is red, since its not anime only. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.54.163|119.154.54.163]] ([[User talk:119.154.54.163|talk]]) 16:55, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
-:Except it is. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:26, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
-== Trivia - Revival ==
-Only Nine-tails is said to be capable of reviving after its host dies. Other TB aren't confirmed to possess this ability. I'd suggest moving it to Nine-tails' article. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 02:34, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
-== Images ==
-This covers all of the tailed beast articles but why are both anime and manga depictions in the infobox ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 10:46, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
-:Because the point of the tabbing in general was to show the differences between manga and anime images to avoid an Image War, and someone, I believe ShounenSuki saw enough difference between the two the warrant it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:54, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
-==Status of Tailed Beasts 1-7==
-As of the last chapter Obito and Madara managed to bring the Ten-Tails back to life by merging the Tailed Beasts from 1 to 7 into a single entity. So, they died or are just incapacitated? [[User:Shadow Abyss|Shadow Abyss]] ([[User talk:Shadow Abyss|talk]]) 20:23, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
-I don't think they exist anymore, they were merged and absorbed.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:15, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
-their are become one just like the sage of six paths told them when their were babies, so  to answer your  question, the seven tailed beasts are in their original form not dead.. not incapacitated just in their original form, the ten-tails.--[[Special:Contributions/186.45.142.8|186.45.142.8]] ([[User talk:186.45.142.8|talk]]) 22:40, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
-Thus they no longer exist as individuals, they are "just" chakra now, I see that as dead--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:35, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
-:Incredibly hard to say as we don't actually know what happens to them. Could they cease to exist? Possible. Could they remain conscious within the body of the Ten-Tails. Just as possible. As of now their status is unquestionably ''unknown''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:50, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
-Well in any case we should refer to them on their respective pages in a past tense, because they don't exist in their individual forms anymore, right? Like "Son Goku was a tailed beast" instead of "is a tailed beast" for starters. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 04:39, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-Pretty sure they are deceased--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:02, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-This is an interesting question, but Ultimate is correct, we have no way of telling what happened to them after being absorbed. They could have been transformed back into Chakra and "died", or they could just be unconscious within the Ten-Tails and it's feeding off of their Chakra. {{SUBST:User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4/sig2}} 18:17, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-The chakras vanished, they ceased to exist.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:42, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-:Their chakra vanished the last time they were put into the statue. Then Tobi pulled them out and made them do things.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:48, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-::Also where was it said their chakra vanished? I know the Statue's chakra vanished but thats because it stopped being the statue and and became the Ten-Tails. No word was given on the tailed beasts.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:49, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-The 9 chakras were merged into 1 or not?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:50, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
-== Tailed
-Berasts current status? ==
-What should we say for the seven tailed beasts that have been sealed into the ten-tails already? Incapacitated? They turned back into the original ten tails.--[[Special:Contributions/64.126.41.224|64.126.41.224]] ([[User talk:64.126.41.224|talk]]) 19:28, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
-Quite certain they are dead, their power merged into the original one with them having no chakra or bodies, thus dead, their souls have gone into the pure world or what shit. We don't list Oro's hosts in his mind dimension as alive either, and they are more "alive" than the TB are imo lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:00, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
-== Rin and Isobu ==
-I thought that you needed to seal a biju in a newborn or a recently born, as sealing one as a human wouldnt work because the youki would burn away the person's chakra pathways or something because they arent flexable enough. How does this work? --[[w:c:cod:User:Drkdragonz66|DrkDragonz66]] 20:14, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
-:It is easier to seal a tailed beast into a newborn because they won't fight back. You can seal a jinchuriki in whomever so long as the person survives. Examples include B, who was child, and Kushina who was an adult.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:23, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
-::+sage of six paths, also see [[Jinchūriki#History]] for more info. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 20:26, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
-:::+Rōshi, and Mito as well. You don't have to be a child and there are no repercussions in using an adult. A shinobi doesn't really have the option to say no I won't do it. That's treason.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:48, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
-::::How long was rin a jinchuriki then ? --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 21:01, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
-:::::Four years at most, but a few days or weeks are more likely, I think. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:38, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
-== genders ==
-As proven many times, the gender classification refers to mental and social identity rather than biological status. It may be annoying I keep bringing this up, but it's true. I would stop if it weren't for instances like [[Swirl Zetsu]] which we list as male, but why don't we then the Tailed Beasts? The would be point "genderless pronouns" is moot since we can tell clearly that Kurama is a he both mentally and biologically. I see no feminine personality traits or physical features--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-:It would be wise to not go into this subject as it is just a can of worms waiting to explode.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:21, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-::Okay, but just curious, was Swirl Zetsu specifically referred to as "he" in the manga? On top of that, are we just going to ignore that the Five-Tails was given female voice in the anime?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:45, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-:::No clue about Swirl Zetsu, but I assume considering Zetsu is listed as male all of his clones would as well. And yes we are going to ignore the Five-Tails female voice, because Naruto also has a female voice actress, and yeah male. Not uncommon in Japan. Or in America to be honest.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:13, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-::::Except all female voice actress for male characters in Naruto do sound male, this one doesn't, perhaps intentionally. For Swirl Zetsu, I beg Seelentau for investigation if the Japanese dialogue somehow suggests a gender, because anatomically "he" is barely anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:42, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-:::::I did mention "clone"...--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:49, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-So? Anatomically, Swirl Zetsu is less of a man than other Zetsus, he doesn't even have visible internal or external organs. Again, gender doesn't refer to genetics. I meant if Seelentau could check all the Swirl Zetsu dialogue if there's anything suggesting masculinity or male pronouns.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:00, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-:I'm not going into the physics and metaphysics on gender identity. I'm just saying, in Swirl Zetsu's case because Zetsu has been identified as male, that as a clone, Swirl was also identified as such. I repeat ''I am not and will not get into the physics and metaphysics of gender identity.''--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:04, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-::I won't encourage this discussion either, since it's simply not up to us to decide if any character is male or female. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:41, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-:::Sounds wise... for the forthcoming future, here I depart again with a tail in between my legs. Just please confirm or deny Swirl Zetsu being male or anything for that matter, so it goes in accordance with what you just wrote above instead of "us" deciding that he "must" be male since Zetsu is one. They are more of a siblings than clones. And since Orochimaru "wasn't" (was in fact) a female biologically in Part I. it should be even so it's not hypocritical.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:53, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-::::There is no "he" or "she" in Japanese. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:03, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
-:::::And unless the third databook entry has been wrong for the past 2 or 3 years, Zetsu was listed as male.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:06, August 28, 2013 (UTC)