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Though I'm not 100% about this article, can anyone think of a better name for the character, because all Zetsu are androids, and the name sounds out-of-universe. Or is Swirl Zetsu as the filename says suitable?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:08, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
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== The name issue...again. ==
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Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 has his actual name listed as Guruguru in pretty much all texts, and its his listed character name when you fight him in story mode with Hiruzen and Orochimaru. Wouldn't that, being the most recent released media, take precedent on what his name is? [[User:Shadowfox337|Shadowfox337]] ([[User talk:Shadowfox337|talk]]) 10:19, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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:99% of people between the anime/manga and now games only know him a Guruguro. Can we please change it back to that to avoid confusion with Obito. Using Guruguro is as acceptable as using Goku instead of Kakarot. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 10:28, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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::Come on, "Tobi" is the official name on his profile in the 4-th Databook, right? Then it's almost the same as rename [[Blue B]] article back to Fukai just because the latter name was more commonly used. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 11:13, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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:::There's a redirect to [[Guruguru]]. That's 'nuff.--[[User:Ghostrick142|Ghostrick142]] ([[User talk:Ghostrick142|talk]]) 12:13, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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::::There's still the question of if 'Tobi' back then was 'Guruguru' or Obito on mushrooms, but that's lil off-topic. Maybe since this question is really unclear, the developers decided not to call it/him Tobi as to avoid confusion.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:06, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::The developers also called Sasuke's eye a Rinne Sharingan, so it's debatable just how familiar they are with the databook info in the first place.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 16:15, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
   
:Swirl Zetsu is better. I thought the term android was odd, but I'm not paid to worry about names I am paid to make sure the article is formatted correctly. (Wait, I'm not paid at all! /cry)--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:10, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::Most people will know him as Guruguru and we can at least change his profile page to that like how we have Sakura Haruno but in the intro we have Sakura Uchiha. This would help when listing character jutsus we don't get confused with Tobi (Obito) in games and this one and so on. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 16:49, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
::Wait.. you get pai-oh ('-' ) ( '-'). Swirl Zetsu it is then. He seems like he's going to be "relevant" somewhat at least.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:18, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Can't we just include all the clones&variants into the single "Zetsu" article?
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We're not going to change the canon name of a character because a non-canon source gives him a different name. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:21, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
"Zetsu" stands for a number of Hashi-tree-made artificial entities... and again, how come does/do he/they have blood while being 99% flower and almost hollow 0_o--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:24, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Personally, I think Spiral Zetsu is a better name :)) I think that maybe he will be named "Tobi" later, let's just wait. Also, "android" was a terrible translation, ms translated it as "artificial human" which is way better because zetsus are biological beings. About merging with Zetsu page - no, of course not. That page is already a mess because of having such a different beings as White and Black Zetsus in it. This is the same as merging all articles about different characters into the "People" article. It's good we have at least White Zetsu Army article separately.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 12:51, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
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:But wasn't he named Guruguru in the manga too? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:31, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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::[http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ATobi_%28Zetsu%29&diff=854803&oldid=854718 No, he wasn't.] He was named "Guruguru" in a different source other than the manga. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 17:47, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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:::It's Obito's nickname for it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:55, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
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::::He was unnamed in the manga, when he was given the name Guruguru officially was one of those pre-chapter article pages in a Shonen-Jump. [[User:Shadowfox337|Shadowfox337]] ([[User talk:Shadowfox337|talk]]) 01:07, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
   
:Spiral does sound better, ties in with Naruto themes instead of swirl and all. Also not for the merging. They're different characters except for the other clones that can be lumped together.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:43, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
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Thinking it over.. Zetsu refers specifically to the black/white combined persona, while White Zetsu is the term for the mutated race, would it be more accurate to rename the page "Tobi (White Zetsu)" or even "Tobi (mutated human)" ?--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 08:18, March 23, 2016 (UTC)
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:Nit-picking. Never touch a running system. And so on.^^ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:15, March 23, 2016 (UTC)
   
Obito called him "Spiral" in the manga I read, OR Swirl, referring to it's face, so Swirl, or Spiral Zetsu is a better name, unless They pick to just put him as another Zetsu army.--[[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|talk]]) 17:38, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
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not gonna just have it be dismissed. >.< its not nit-picking, its fact checking. It should actually be mutated human in parentheses if anything--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 19:13, March 23, 2016 (UTC)
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:[http://i.imgur.com/2jyHQ2m.png Ackchyually], it should just be ''Tobi''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:49, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
But in my opinion, it's better to name him Tobi as does looks like the mask obito's wore before. Maybe you could name him Tobi zetsu, Spiral Tobi or just Tobi. Tobi and Zetsu is a pair, how nice.--[[User:Williamteoh97|Williamteoh97]] 17:38, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
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::Naming this article as "Tobi" would be a bad idea, as [[Tobi]] is a needed redirect and shouldn't be replaced. Has to be disambiguated from the "Tobi" redirect to prevent those fans who aren't up to the latest episode from being spoiled. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] ([[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]]) 14:53, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Oh yeah, I forgot that it's our job to cater to the fans' needs and not to display information accurately. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:56, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
How about something like "Zetsu (Swirl)" or "Zetsu (Clone)"? [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 07:27, September 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:So, should we change it like I said above? [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 09:32, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
::That doesn't really follow character naming conventions though. More a tool. If the name was to be changed it would probably be to Spiral Zetsu, though we could just wait, next chapter is around the corner...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:36, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::That sounds good, but just bringing this up: what about people like [[Gantetsu (Iwagakure)]], [[Gantetsu (Shinobazu)]], and [[Gantetsu (anime)]], and so on? They use similar naming convention with weapons, more or less. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 05:37, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Color ==
 
 
Obito asked where the "other white dude" has gone, suggesting that the swirl one may not be of the same color.But I am not really sure if this is worth adding to the article... [[User:Fox616|Fox616]] ([[User talk:Fox616|talk]]) 14:40, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Really? I got the impression that there was simply a third "white dude" with whom Obito interacted...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:34, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
In fact, we seen up to four white zetsu (the first two and two more normal looking ones) in that flashback when he was trying to walk again and succeeded, they were cheering.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.240.62|98.26.240.62]] ([[User talk:98.26.240.62|talk]]) 17:02, September 26, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
All Zetsu are White,(Black Zetsu isn't of course), I can refer that he asked other white dude, as in, the other Zetsu they he remembers seeing, after the whole, "Getting use" to the body we saw few more Zetsu so the color is the same, until the manga of it's color shown (Next chapter will be issued on color) or the anime.--[[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|talk]]) 17:42, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Tobi==
 
Considering his personality and his mask, is anyone else thinknig the original, goofy persona of Obito called Tobi was actually this guy? So Tobi was a real person.. hmm.. and he bonded with obito's body and took control of it after Sasori died?--[[Special:Contributions/72.201.75.108|72.201.75.108]] ([[User talk:72.201.75.108|talk]]) 18:16, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Very possibly the "goofy Tobi" persona of Obito was/is this dude, but this ain't a forum so we have to wait a few more chapters--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:39, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Or the Idea Obito got of "Goofy" was from this guy, even the Mask he got it from this guy.--[[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|talk]]) 20:43, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Status as a "Zetsu" ==
 
 
Is it really safe to call this a "Zetsu"? It is entirely possible that Zetsu was just the name of the green-haired one we end up seeing later on. Since the White Zetsu Army are all based on him, it makes sense that they share the name, but the other primitive white creatures may have their own, unique names. Perhaps it would be preferable to refer to the others simply as artificial humans until we get some sort of confirmation? --[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 19:27, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
If more unique and nicknamed individuals appear, I think we should simply make an article and call them "Hashirama's Plant Clones" or something--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:41, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, i think Zetsu is the name for the original Green-haired artifical human that we know as the Original White and Black Zetsu, and the Swirl guys name is Tobi so they are distinct and different entities. But, with not alot of info we have to wait a few chapters to see how they proceed. If Swirlzetsu is named Tobi like me and many others predcit, we can classify them as different entities.--[[Special:Contributions/72.201.75.108|72.201.75.108]] ([[User talk:72.201.75.108|talk]]) 19:48, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
And if he turns out to be Tobi, how are we going to proceed? Will we have 2 articles with "Tobi (Obito Uchiha)" and "Tobi (White Zetsu Clone)" or something?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:58, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah probably? just as Obito took on Madara's idenity he very well could of done the same with this "Tobi".--[[Special:Contributions/72.201.75.108|72.201.75.108]] ([[User talk:72.201.75.108|talk]]) 20:36, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:This Zetsu might be the reason of Obito acting like a Goof, Let's not forget, Sasuke slashing "Tobi" left no mark it "slipped through him, Obito could have gotten the idea of being this Zetsu, if he is named Tobi, then it's name was the idea for Obito, over all, this Zetsu acts as all the other Zetsu, even the original a bit, only more of a goof. I am only stating my theory of this Zetsu after all, he could have been that one thing that gave Obito the idea to look like, for a reason unknown. (could have died during saving Rin, or somewhere along the line.) It is a Zetsu, cause it was stated, so far The officers are only doing what the Manga stated, A few more chapter might help us along the line. And if it's name is Zetsu I think it would be better changing all "Tobi" into Obito, and this Zetsu can keep it's own name.--[[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|talk]]) 20:42, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:This Zetsu might also be my long lost cousin from Grrfurjiclestan. I don't understand why people feel the need to assume what he/it is. Wait for the story to unfold. Bridges can't be crossed before we reach them. As for its status as a Zetsu, there's a reason why its being called a clone.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:37, September 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Well, to be honest, no one from those were called neither clones nor Zetsus in the latest chapter.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 05:56, September 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:hello are we ignoring this he needs a diff name[[Special:Contributions/209.56.53.1|209.56.53.1]] ([[User talk:209.56.53.1|talk]]) 18:41, October 1, 2012 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
 
::At this point, it's probably best just to wait a few more days for the next chapter. Hopefully it will clarify whether this clone is a "Zetsu" or has its own unique name.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 01:41, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::It was recently call a clone of the original White Zetsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra Nature ==
 
 
Is it realy safe to say he has wood, water, and earth. wouldn't he/it just has the potential to learn it and not realy have it. I know he has the DNA but does it mean he mastered it? [[Special:Contributions/209.56.53.1|209.56.53.1]] ([[User talk:209.56.53.1|talk]]) 17:47, October 3, 2012 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
:Never said that the Zetsu have mastered wood release because they use it on a weaker scale than Hashirama and Yamato. I doubt we'll ever see any Zetsu using wood release the way those two do but their techniques (though not listed here) are possibly wood release. As for the other components because they can use wood release water and earth have to be added, though I sometimes link that their use of wood release is more innate rather than nature transformation.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:04, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Yeah their move are "possibly" wood. Don't we have a "got to see it to beleive it" rule??? [[Special:Contributions/209.56.53.1|209.56.53.1]] ([[User talk:209.56.53.1|talk]])NaruHina4ever
 
:::Yes, but it was superseded in Zetsu's case after Shizune and Sakura's autopsy.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:06, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Gender ==
 
 
Are you sure this Zetsu's male? Or is it just that genderless can't be chosen? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:54, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No gender can be choosen. Don't know why he was put as male.~{{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 13:57, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Gender =/= Sex. He acts and sounds clearly male--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:05, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Sounds male o.O? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:34, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
::So much subjectivity... he is an artifical human, a lump of cells. He has no gender, no sex, no anything. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:55, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Wasn't he called a spiral guy? Everyone has a gender regardless of genitals. He doesn't seem to be behaving any feminine to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:39, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Zetsu(main) is classified as male in the databook, yet he has no genitalia. And as all zetsu are clones of each other, regardless of the various plant like shapes they take, they are all genetically identical. They all also take a male profile (body outline). Also, their genetic source is male.(I'm sure its possible to add his DNA to a female using the method used on Yamato, but thats not how they were made). Quite sure this is enough evidence to make him male. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 19:53, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That's correct as well. But the fact that people do confuse sex with gender is sad "_" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:58, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Then make him male again, I was just wondering. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:13, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 

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The name issue...again. Edit

Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 has his actual name listed as Guruguru in pretty much all texts, and its his listed character name when you fight him in story mode with Hiruzen and Orochimaru. Wouldn't that, being the most recent released media, take precedent on what his name is? Shadowfox337 (talk) 10:19, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

99% of people between the anime/manga and now games only know him a Guruguro. Can we please change it back to that to avoid confusion with Obito. Using Guruguro is as acceptable as using Goku instead of Kakarot. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:28, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Come on, "Tobi" is the official name on his profile in the 4-th Databook, right? Then it's almost the same as rename Blue B article back to Fukai just because the latter name was more commonly used. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 11:13, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
There's a redirect to Guruguru. That's 'nuff.--Ghostrick142 (talk) 12:13, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
There's still the question of if 'Tobi' back then was 'Guruguru' or Obito on mushrooms, but that's lil off-topic. Maybe since this question is really unclear, the developers decided not to call it/him Tobi as to avoid confusion.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:06, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
The developers also called Sasuke's eye a Rinne Sharingan, so it's debatable just how familiar they are with the databook info in the first place.--BeyondRed (talk) 16:15, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Most people will know him as Guruguru and we can at least change his profile page to that like how we have Sakura Haruno but in the intro we have Sakura Uchiha. This would help when listing character jutsus we don't get confused with Tobi (Obito) in games and this one and so on. --Rai 水 (talk) 16:49, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

We're not going to change the canon name of a character because a non-canon source gives him a different name. • Seelentau 愛 17:21, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

But wasn't he named Guruguru in the manga too? --Rai 水 (talk) 17:31, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
No, he wasn't. He was named "Guruguru" in a different source other than the manga. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 17:47, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
It's Obito's nickname for it. • Seelentau 愛 17:55, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
He was unnamed in the manga, when he was given the name Guruguru officially was one of those pre-chapter article pages in a Shonen-Jump. Shadowfox337 (talk) 01:07, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

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Thinking it over.. Zetsu refers specifically to the black/white combined persona, while White Zetsu is the term for the mutated race, would it be more accurate to rename the page "Tobi (White Zetsu)" or even "Tobi (mutated human)" ?--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 08:18, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Nit-picking. Never touch a running system. And so on.^^ • Seelentau 愛 12:15, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

not gonna just have it be dismissed. >.< its not nit-picking, its fact checking. It should actually be mutated human in parentheses if anything--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 19:13, March 23, 2016 (UTC)

Ackchyually, it should just be Tobi. • Seelentau 愛 14:49, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
Naming this article as "Tobi" would be a bad idea, as Tobi is a needed redirect and shouldn't be replaced. Has to be disambiguated from the "Tobi" redirect to prevent those fans who aren't up to the latest episode from being spoiled. --SuperSajuuk (talk) 14:53, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot that it's our job to cater to the fans' needs and not to display information accurately. • Seelentau 愛 14:56, March 24, 2016 (UTC)
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