Talk: Shukaku

reason behind the name "Shukaku"?

I've learned that Shukaku apparently is a Nominative Case (A Nominative Case is A type of Pronoun or Noun, opposite of a Accusative Case, for ex. "I" is Nominative where "Me" is Accusative.). Now if this true that must mean that his name "Ichibi No Shukaku" means "I The One Tail" and his other name "Sabaku No Shukaku" means "I Of The Desert". What I want to know is if this is the correct Translation of his name or if "Shukaku" has a Homophone that I can't find that is the correct translation. the reason is because I noticed that Shukaku is the only Bijuu not known by it's tailed name (like "Kyuubi" or "Nibi") or it's Monster Name (like "Youko" or "Nekomata"). SilverSword 17:47, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Shukaku isn't a nominative case. It's the nominative case. I.e. it's the Japanese term for "nominative case". However, the name of the Ichibi is indeed a homophone. While the Japanese term for "nominative case" is written as 主格, the name of the Ichibi is written as 守鶴 (literally meaning: "guardian crane"). It comes from an old folk-tale about a tanuki, a teapot, and a priest (their exact roles differ in the various versions). --ShounenSuki 21:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Let me see if I understand you correctly. What you said was that the Kanji that means "Gaurdian Crane" (like I said on Kyuubi, I don't have Japanese) is pronounced "Shukaku" just like the nominative case that is pronounced "Shukaku"? If so then thank you for the information. --SilverSword

Yes. They are written differently and have different meanings, but are pronounced the same. Like the English words "two," "to," and "too". --ShounenSuki 17:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Oh trust me my lessons in Japanese have MORE than taught me what Homophones are, their possibly one of my biggest complaints about the Language (that and Kanji and no spaces. Otherwise it's actually alot easier than English!) I just wanted to make sure I gotten what you said right. Thanks Again. SilverSword 23:35, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Shukakus Name

on freedict i found that shukaku means host and guest could that possibly mean shukaks name is refering to gaara being the former host of shukaku 24.64.84.114 (talk) 21:33, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

No such meaning for the kanji, if you are going to look for a reference look for the meanings of the KANJI, not the romaji or hiragana. The romaji and hiragana are syllabic and can have many meanings, the kanji denotes the meaning of the words. 守 means "guard, protect, defend, obey", and 鶴 means "crane, stork". ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Oct 26, 2009 _@ 00:56 ^(UTC)

Where did this come from?

"Apparently, one of Shukaku's former jinchūriki was the one who inspired the Third Kazekage to create the Iron Sand technique." -- Background Section

Do we have a source of this cause it sounds fanon? --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 22:56, February 11, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

it's true reread chiyo's introduction of iron sand. Simant (talk) 22:57, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Is it on an episode or in the Iron Sand article? --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 22:58, February 11, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

It was in an episode, and I believe it was in the manga as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:03, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, both of you, thanks. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 23:04, February 11, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi

Trivia

"Shukaku is the only tailed beast known to have had more than one jinchūriki and an actual name." Technically, one could argue that all of the tailed beasts have had more than one host: when they were fused as the Ten-Tailed Beast, they had a jinchuriki. Individually, the statement is true, but if you count their fusion, then...--Enoki911 (talk) 06:07, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

Except that the Sage of the Six Paths isn't really considered a jinchūriki and the Ten-Tails isn't really considered a Tailed Beast. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 07:57, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think that in Shukaku's case that is about the entity known as Shukaku, not something that Shukaku is part of. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:17, February 16, 2010 (UTC)

If the Sage isn't a Jinchūriki, then why is he listed as one on the Jinchūriki page?--Enoki911 (talk) 04:58, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Because in a way, he is a jinchūriki. The Sage is in somewhat of a grey area. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 10:16, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

Near-impenetrable sand defense ?

I think Shield of Sands is the better one

should we change it?

The "Near-impenetrable sand defense" is too long and excessive IMHO

Actually

when kyuubi was first introduced he was 'kitsune kokono tsu no o'. 9-tailed fox. and 'you ko'. mythological fox spirit. it wasn't until later on that he became Kyuubi,and when 'kyuubi' was used,from what i've seen,it was always in the personal sense. example,of speaking about someone and not something. kyuubi himself converses with the 'kyuubi' title. they act as it is his name,he acts as it is his name. thus,I conclude,it's his name and not his... species,per say.75.135.234.155 (talk) 03:09, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

That's not entirely true, actually. Although the naming was a lot less rigid in the first chapters, none of its names were used in a way similar to personal names.

Your kitsune kokono tsu no o is actually "this fox had nine tails" (その狐 九つの尾あり, sono kitsune - kokonotsu no o ari). It's not a name, but a description.

In the first chapter alone, the fox was called demon fox (妖狐, yōko), monster fox (バケ狐, bakegitsune), nine-tailed demon fox (九尾の妖狐, kyūbi no yōko), nine-tailed fox (九尾狐, kyūbigitsune), and nine-tailed monster fox (九尾の化け狐／九尾のバケ狐, kyūbi no bakegitsune).

Despite this, Kishimoto-sensei later on settled into using mostly nine-tails (九尾, kyūbi). None of these can be considered personal names in the same way Shukaku is the personal name of the One-Tails,. though. All of them are merely descriptions and systematic names. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 09:36, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Abilities

Is'nt using a wind nature with his menacing bal a unique ability?

Whats the deal with Shukaki´s origin?

Ok, according to Madara, ichibi was born after the sage of six paths divided the ten tails to nine separate beasts. Its a fact, BUT in Chapter:97/p9 (anime episode - 58), Gaara said that he represents a living spirit an old priest from Suna. I guess the Gaara´s info about the tailed beast´s origins is fake, right?