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− | Shouldn't we add all the shinobi(uchihas) that we have seen with the Sharingan to the list of Known Sharingan wielders? I'm pretty sure in one of those flashbacks when Sasuke was younger it showed Fugaku and the three Uchiha who were interrogating Itachi had the Sharingan. I'm sure there are more too. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 16:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :Quite frankly that list shouldn't even exist. We annotate pages with information like [[Special:SearchByProperty/Has kekkei genkai/Sharingan|Has the kekkei genkai Sharingan]] for the purpose of making lists where we don't have to make pointless manual edits to them. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Apr 11, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 06:06 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small> |
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− | ::Okay, I'm going to remove the list and add a link to the search property you just linked. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 15:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | ::Actually eventually it would be best to link to the drilldown page. A filter can be added to the Characters category so that [[Special:BrowseData/Character]] can drilldown characters by kekkei genkai. Take a look at one of the Element Release pages for the template used to generate the link. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Apr 11, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 20:30 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small> |
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− | The Eternal Mangekyou is only gained from taking the eyes of another Mangekyou user, not just Sharingan. [[Special:Contributions/71.227.220.13|71.227.220.13]] ([[User talk:71.227.220.13|talk]]) |
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+ | Shouldn't we add that the ''Sharingan requires two eyes to bring out their true potential'' as noted by madara in chapter 602 {{unsigned|46.17.233.102}} |
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+ | :We should shouldn't we.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:18, September 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | We don't know what was meant by that, either Susanoo/Rinnegan or something new--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:37, September 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | Vegerot, is there any good reason you're removing the Sharingan title icon from this page? --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 15:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | :The title Icons are supposed to tell us what it is related to so having the Sharingan on the Sharingan is silly![[User:Vegerot|Vegerot]] ([[User_talk:Vegerot|talk]]) 15:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
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− | ::The title icons also categorise the page and give a quick visual hint about what one can find on a page. Not having the Sharingan title icon on a page about the Sharingan is out-of-place and removes important information and links. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 15:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | If the Sharingan requires two eyes to bring out their true potential does that mean that if obito had his other sharingan he'd have the same abilities he does now expect he would be to suck things in the other dimension without physical contact like kakashi's version of kamui and his own current kamui would be strengthened? --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 17:54, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | A hint about What you can find?! Look at the first word on the page SHARINGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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+ | What do you mean that's forum talk? why shouldn't we discuss it? --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 19:01, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | == Purpose of sharingan== |
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− | Hey, Itachi mentioned to Sasuke about the purpose of sharingan. Does anyone know about this purpose?. If so, somebody please answer me.--[[User:Justin92|Justin92]] ([[User_talk:Justin92|talk]]) 09:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | Discussing the topic of an article just for the sake of discussion is considered forum talk. Topic is meant to be discussed only as far as needed to determine how to list the information. If Sharingan does X, we simply say it does, and unless that goes against anything previously established, in which case discussion should be restricted in pointing that out in the article, no point in discussing why it does X. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:27, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | I was wondering that too, but I don't think it's ever said, because sasuke went and read about it in that secret meeting place for the uchiha, and that's all. If it is said, someone please tell![[User:Papayaking|Papayaking]] ([[User talk:Papayaking|talk]]) 03:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | I don't get what you mean... --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 21:42, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | Basically, if you want to ask something just for the sake of asking, don't. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:45, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | I'm a massive naruto fan and not a vandal I do lose my cool from time to time just thought I'd let you know. I just wanna like know more so I can help more. --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 22:14, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | Isn't the contents of this headline speculation? I can't remember hearing any characters making rumours on the subject. I might be wrong, though, but the single sentence should be under trivia if I am, and not under it's own headline. (Single-sentence paragraphs = bad) ~[[User:Hakinu|Hakinu]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hakinu|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hakinu|contribs]])</sup> 17:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | The only instance that we know this could refer to would be "a 3rd power" an example of this being Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi requirement for Susanoo use. Simply A Mangekyou tech. in left along with B Mangekyou tech. in right in order to use "C" with both. But since we don't know if this is what was referred for, it's soon to conclude as such--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:25, October 12, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | == Copy Kekkei Genkai == |
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− | The sharingan can control animals or other beings such as the tailed beast, Sasuke controled Manda with his sharingan. In chapter 363 page12 Manda said "with those eyes...i....was controled". On page11 Manda seems to have sharingan eyes just like Itachis crow in chapter 366 page6 witch probably indicates that its under a sharingan users control. Its the sharingans ability to control animals and other beings, shouldnt this be listed in the sharingans ability section?[[User:HUNTER*|HUNTER*]] ([[User talk:HUNTER*|talk]]) 00:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)? |
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− | :Suigetsu points out that Sasuke used a genjutsu on Manda. And genjutsus are known for playing tricks with someones mind, and that Sharingan can be used to put someone in a genjutsu is already written. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 06:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | it should be noted the Sharingan can decipher kekkei genkai techniques if the user has the kekkei genkai in question, Madara can use all of the first's jutsu because of his first hand experience reading the techniques after his reincarnation because of this. [[Special:Contributions/75.172.178.82|75.172.178.82]] ([[User talk:75.172.178.82|talk]]) 07:52, November 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | :Yeah i gues your right, but there is something else. Suigetsu said to Sasuke "you went inside Manda and used a jutsu to fly into a different space". What does that mean, what jutsu is that? Its probably a sharingan ability dont you think? [[User:HUNTER*|HUNTER*]] ([[User talk:HUNTER*|talk]]) 01:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :Speculation beyond the realm of necessity.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:36, November 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | ::He is refering to how Sasuke hid inside Mandas mouth and then used the summon jutsu to escape from the blast. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 05:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | Hey Cerez, this one might actually have a point. It's noted the Sharingan can't duplicate bloodline abilities, but at the same time, It doesn't seem like it can copy any technique the user can't perform. For example, Sasuke's sharingan copied Shadow of the Dancing Leaf from Lee, but he himself didn't possess the speed to duplicate Lee's other moves until he trained for the 3rd stage of the Chuunin exam. In this case, Madara didn't have the ability to perform wood release when he was alive, but when revived he duplicated abilities of Hashirama's he couldn't have seen less than 50 years ago. If phrased properly, I think it's worth noting that if in possession of the capacity to perform a bloodline, the Sharingan can duplicate it. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 16:35, November 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | == can a woman used the sharingan? == |
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+ | :I never said the person is wrong. I said it was speculation beyond the point of necessity. We do not know how the Sharingan functions with regards to kekkei genkai whether or not it can decipher them but it's because they don't have the capability to do it that they can't reproduce it or Madara simply remembered Hashirama's techniques and then practised them etc. When Madara transplanted Hashirama's DNA into his wounds he noted that nothing happened with regards to the Rinnegan, he never said anything about Wood Release.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:13, November 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | == Bloodline/Eternal == |
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− | i have seen practically that only the men´s if the uchiha are the only ones to used the sharingan,sow a think that even a shinnobi girl from the uchiha can used the sharingan, if the hyuga have girls using it since their birth date, and are the abilities similar o equal as the mens of the uchiha. Takuya Uzumaki oct-29 2009 |
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+ | Does it really require the person that gives the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan to be a sibling or someone of close relation? Kakashi got his sharingan, though not in Mangekyo form, and has had no side effects in his vision. It seems like you just have to get another eye, not one related to you. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 03:15, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam |
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− | == sharingan techniques == |
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+ | I don't fully understand what you are trying to say... but [[Kakashi]] doesnot have '''Eternal''' Magekyo Sharingan.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 03:20, February 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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− | with the sharingan (not mangekyou), can the user develop their own technique or are there specific techniques that the sharingan has but most shinobi havent learned them yet? [[Special:Contributions/75.2.217.57|75.2.217.57]] ([[User talk:75.2.217.57|talk]]) 02:37, December 12, 2009 (UTC) |
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+ | :Kakashi has shown signs of debilitating sight it's just that he does not use the MS nearly as much as an Uchiha does. And so far we've only seen a sibling transfer their eyes to another. Along with what Itachi said to Sasuke during their battle, that's the only basis we have to go on.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:50, February 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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− | + | Not to mention each MS technique puts a different amount of strain on an eye--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:01, February 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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− | Well it has been stated that sharingan users all use a form of hypnosis during combat. Using Zabuza's analysis as an example along with the abilities section. The sharingan user can suggest to the opponent an action or thought through simple eye contact. Shisui did seem to master this ability an make it his very own. We don't know exactly how many there are in total as most sharingan users are dead. But depending on the skill the user possesses they can develop a technique using the basic sharingan abilities.[[User:WolfMaster|WolfMaster]] ([[User talk:WolfMaster|talk]]) 15:40, January 24, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | == Kyuubi Control == |
+ | How did obito put the nine tails under his control while it was inside kushina, because he stared at kushina and somehow the nine tails got put under his control[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 18:06, March 24, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | Even Sasuke could suppress it's chakra simply by using a genjutsu on Naruto, entering his mind and interacting with Kurama. Obito likely did the same, entered her mind dimension or what s*** that is, took control of fox and opened Kushina's seal--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC) |
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− | how come every time i put some information about the sharingan the next day they take if off:S {{unsigned|80.5.152.169|09:50, December 13, 2009}} |
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− | :What information, I can't find anything about sharingan in your contributions that was reverted. Note that a number of your edits have contained speculation and information with no source other than things we've traced back to speculation, so you might have unknowingly been adding something that was completely false and had it reverted. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Dec 13, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 20:36 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small> |
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+ | == Receiving the Sharingan == |
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− | Mabey what your putting is stupid, irrelevant, in-correct, isnt a reliable source, and |
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+ | What I'm about to say is not cannon material but well, it is in the world of Naruto, so yea.. I just saw the [[Inheritors of the Will of Fire]] movie and in that Hiruko seemed to want to absorb Kakashi to obtain the Kekkei Genkai, Sharingan. So is it like once the sharingan is transferred from one person to another, it can't be transferred again? I mean Hiruko could have just taken out the eye, but instead only wanted to absorb Kakashi...so how does this work? {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|14:18, 5/29/2013}} |
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+ | Oh and also if that's true, should the info be added there? {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|14:43, 5/29/2013}} |
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+ | In theory, yes, a simple eye transplant should do it, but the whole point was to absorb them with the Chimera Technique. I mean, the whole point of developing that technique was to get stronger by absorbing other's abilities. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:04, May 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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− | "Madara has also revealed that there are ten different kinds of Sharingan." |
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+ | :Yes, he wanted to absorb the users because Kekkei Genkai such as the Dark/Shade Release, Storm Release, Swift Release and Steel Release can't possibly be transferred from one person to another as they are more or less of Bloodline limits. Whereas the Sharingan can be transferred with eye transplant, so why not do that? Or maybe like you said, he just went with the flow and absorbed everyone he chose anyway.. so now there are two ways of receiving the sharingan? {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|04:35, 5/30/2013}} |
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+ | ::Absorbing it with his technique probably had some upsides. For example, if he transplanted the eye, he'd have only one Sharingan. With the Chimera Technique, he'd probably "transplant" the the very genes responsible for the Sharingan to himself, getting both eyes, improved control (able to turn it on and off), and probably lessened chakra cost as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:32, May 30, 2013 (UTC) |
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+ | ::Right.. And thanks for clearing that up! :) {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|11:41, 5/30/2013}} |
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+ | == Re Awaken == |
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− | When did Madara ever state this? Someone explain please O_o --[[User:Exhorresco|Exhorresco]] ([[User talk:Exhorresco|talk]]) 23:13, January 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | Should we mention that the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan need to be re-awoken if the possessor is unaware of it awakening previously as shown by Sasuke and Kakashi? [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 09:28, April 1, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :IMO, yes. I agree mentioning that. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 09:29, April 1, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::: ''Very'' careful. Especially because, of those two isolated cases, we still don't know how Kakashi "re-awoken" his Mangekyō Sharingan. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:49, April 1, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | The only possible stress able to cause the re-awakening of his Mangekyo was probably when he found Naruto at the Valley of the End. It may not have been shown on screen, but I think that is when he re-awakened it.. can't be proven though. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:02, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | What is this business with "Re-awakening"? Can someone explain it. Until reading this, despite having read every chapter of the manga and most of the anime, I had not heard anything about it. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 16:13, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | Thanks for chaging it! ^__^ --[[User:Exhorresco|Exhorresco]] ([[User talk:Exhorresco|talk]]) 23:30, January 15, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :Sasuke awakened his Sharingan unconsciously when he chased Itachi. Kakashi awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan unconsciously when Rin died. Both needed to awake it while being conscious to make use of it. If you don't remember that you've already awakened it, you can't use it. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:44, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Sasuke awakened his Sharingan unconsciously when he chased Itachi. - is that even correct? I mean, he obviously remembers it later, saying he locked those memories away. He obviously can only lock them away if he can remember them, right? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:20, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | itachi only deactivated his sharingan once? What about after he used the amaterasu in his fight with sasuke? i remembered he turned it off then. [[User:Brainwasher5|Brainwasher5]] ([[User talk:Brainwasher5|talk]]) 00:51, January 20, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | :Did he recall himself having used the Sharingan or chasing Itachi tho?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:51, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::Ya. Also, he had to use the Sharingan to read the naka stone monument. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:05, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::If I remember correctly, didn't Sasuke have more tomoe the second time he "awakened" it?--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:08, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::Yes. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:09, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::Wasn't Sasuke shown reading the tablet without his Sharingan? Trvia somewhere around at least used to say so--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:13, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::No. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:16, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | The reason I bring up the tomoe is that, while we have stated that more experience with the Sharingan allows it to mature, I'm fairly sure Sasuke's was shown maturing when he went through periods of strong emotion. To me at least it seems as though the whole "strong emotions" aspect of the Uchiha's power permeates every aspect of their Kekkei Genkai.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:18, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :Could be, yes. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:20, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::It's not really something we can cite though is it?--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:21, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::I... don't really understand how it's related to my question? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:22, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::The whole subject of Sasuke awakening and reawakening his Sharingan just jogged my memory. I may have gone off on a tangent.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:29, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | He might have locked away his memory of chasing Itachi and recalled it later, but we don't know if he was aware of the fact that he had the Sharingan on then.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:47, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :There is no reason to believe he wasn't. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:58, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | The final paragraph in the abilities section about the sharingan constantly using chakra needs half of it moved. The second sentence in the paragraph doesn't belong here as it is about Itachi maintaining his Mangekyo sharingan for three days.[[User:WolfMaster|WolfMaster]] ([[User talk:WolfMaster|talk]]) 15:45, January 24, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::What about Kakashi then? Well, both have in common that they passed out afterwards, it could have seemed like a dream to them or something.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:15, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::Sasuke didn't pass out. He chased Itachi and even threw Kunai at him. Kakashi awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan while passing out, so there's a huge difference. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:17, April 7, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | == Source == |
+ | Okay, 671 may have provided us with a certain information. We know that Kaguya had the Sharingan, which in her case looks like the Shinju's eye. We know that Kaguya ate the Shinju's fruit, and gained power from it. I find it highly unlikely that she already had the Sharingan third eye that just happened to look like the Shinju's eye. I tried looking at the mural-like depictions of her in 646, but the angles are bad, so there's no way to tell if she already had the third eye before eating the fruit. My question is, do we have enough to state that the Sharingan originally stemmed from the Shinju? By consequence, is Hagoromo's classification of that eye a reason for us to list the Shinju as a Sharingan user as well? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:43, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | First, is 'Sharingans' a valid pluralization? For some reason it bothers me, so I prefer 'Sharingan eyes', but if 'Sharingans' is fine, I'll be okay with it. |
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+ | :I'd list the Shinju as a Sharingan user, yes. However, I would only point at how both eyes look the same, not stating that Kaguya got her third eye from the chakra fruit. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:44, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::Well, the Shinju's eye looks like a mix or Rinnegan and Sharingan, so why would it be called just Sharingan? She ate the fruit and got the Sharingan apparently and her son was born with the Rinnegan. Both eye stem from the Shinju and its eye just happens to look like both, that's why I don't get why would it be just the Sharingan and not Rinnegan coming from it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:28, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::Because the eye was called Sharingan, not Sharinnegan. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:54, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::You missed my point, I think. Why is the Kaguya's eye stated to be Sharingan since it also resembles the Rinnegan?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:04, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::I don't know, ask Hagoromo. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:19, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::: My view on this? Purely speculation, but here it is: Why do we assume that the three tomoe Sharingan is its most mature form? Well, obviously because all the Sharingan we've seen only gain three tomoe, but nowhere in the manga is it actually stated that three tomoe means it is fully mature. It could just be that Kaguya, being the original ''human'' user, matured her Sharingan far beyond that of current Uchiha. Her prowess with it (and the Byakugan) were stated to have been the reason she was able to rule the planet. So, that logic included, suggests her Sharingan ''was'' much better than any of the current ones. Anyways, this isn't a forum so excuse my blurb. '''Speculation aside''', the Shinju has a Sharingan, so yes, it should be added. It doesn't matter how it looks. It was flat out said to be a Sharingan. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:42, April 2, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::Considering that Tsukuyomi is a Sharingan technique, and that both Kaguya and the Shinju can use the amplified version of Tsukuyomi (Infinite Tsukuyomi, yes?) and that both presumably have amplified (or in this case, "more matured") versions of the Sharingan, it's fair to state that both Kaguya and the Shinju are Sharingan users. [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 23:57, April 2, 2014 (UTC)WindStar7125 |
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− | Second, I believe more info regarding Danzō should be added, but I can't come up with a good idea. --[[User:Kiadony|Kiadony]] ([[User talk:Kiadony|talk]]) 12:36, January 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::: Alright then. Everyone, so far, seems to be on the same page. I'mma go ahead and add the relevant information.~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:21, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Please don't add that Kaguya got her Sharingan from eating the fruit, ya? That's (reasonable) speculation. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 08:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | :# Does Sharigans ''sound'' like a valid pluralization? Of course not. |
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+ | :Not sure if sarcastic or... Anyway, why would her Sharingan have the Rinnegan rings? Also why would her son with watered-down power be born with an apparently superior doujutsu (the Rinnegan) an eye that's "final stage" of what even the Shinju has? Doesn't make any sense. The Shinju doesn't have Sharingan guys...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:44, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | :# Go right ahead.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 12:43, January 30, 2010 (UTC) |
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+ | ::Who's to say that the original sharingan isn't superior to the rinnegan? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:17, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | @Omni, read at Kaguya's talkpage. I can't seem to make any sense of it, but perhaps I'm just too dumb for this thing. If Sharingan came first, what happened to "if you progress beyond the Sharingan, there lies the Rinnegan" more or less it's contradictory which came first and which is upper stage of the other--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:00, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | The relationship between sharingan and tailed beasts still seems to me quite obscure. It seems that Sasuke can somehow supress the ninetails chakra in naruto. It also seems that Madara needed the mangekyo if not the eternal mangekyo sharingan to control de nine tails. And it is also unclear if he could summon it with the summoning jutsu. Madara also tells that the reason the uchiha became feared and segregated in konoha was because of the power to control the tailed beasts. |
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+ | :Kaguya's Sharingan, despite being called a Sharingan, is clearly not the same as the Sharingan most Uchiha developed. That progression as we know applies only to the three tomoe Sharingan. Whether Kaguya Sharingan is as powerful or more than the Rinnegan, we don't know. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:16, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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− | Maybe it is simply because thanks to their natural talent with genjutsu they could easily gain control over the beasts as sasuke does with manda??? |
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+ | ::So since it's a Sharingan in name-only, why do you treat it the same way as the ordinary Sharingan? The to us known Sharingan is a watered down version of the Rinnegan, while the Rinnegan is either a watered down version of Kaguya's "Sharingan" or perhaps even superior to it. Also her eye in fact would be a closer thing to "Sharingan progenitor" than the eyes we thought Indra had.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Frankly, all of that doesn't matter. Kishi called it a Sharingan. We call it a Sharingan. End of debate until we know more. Its pointless to speculate on the "why" when we simply do not know. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:04, April 4, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :It's one of the only times I agree with your bluntness. It's a Sharingan. It may be called the same but function or look differently, but until we know more, we cannot say anything other than what we're told (a la Naruto and bijuu). --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 01:31, April 4, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | An even more simple explanation.. She had Sharingan and Byakugan first.. then she ate Shinju fruit.. then Shinju eye fused with her third eye Sharingan, then Hagoromo was born with the Sharingans superior evolution the Rinnegan. That is more logical and makes more sense. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:59, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::We don't actually know that. The only depiction we have of Kaguya that we know is from before eating the fruit is a highly stylised mural depiction, and none of the angles show if she had the third eye. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:22, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::Well, if she had it there before, I believe that would serve as a confirmation of her having been an alien. The eye is... vertical 0_0--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:36, April 9, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | As of the new chapter we can be pretty much positive that the Third Eye is a side affect of the Shinju's influence and is essentially its own eye in human form. Also, Obito was planning on using the Juubi's eye in its Shinju form to perform the [[Infinite Tsukuyomi]], showing that both eyes function identically. Madara obtained the same eye by absorbing the Shinju, instead of merely eating its fruit (which he was initially planning to do instead). In Kaguya's case, it was directly called a ''Sharingan''. It could also be a combination of Rinnegan and Sharingan, if its in any way connected to [[Sasuke]]'s [[Rinnegan]] that he received as his part of [[Hagoromo]]'s power, who was also the Shinju's jinchuriki. However, at the very least, I think we can confirm that the Juubi's eye is a Sharingan (with potential to be a combination variant with the Rinnegan). I think we should add an "Eye of Shinju" into the Sharingan page explaining the eye and how it is different from the regular sharingan, and its capabilities, since its more of a Tailed Beast Skill rather than a Kekkei Genkai. [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 05:22, May 15, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :Before Sasuke's new left eye was shown and called a Rinnegan, what's kinda what we did. It was reverted because despite the three eyes at the time (Shinju, Kaguya, and Sasuke) looking the same, one was called a Sharingan, one was called a Rinnegan, and the other wasn't called anything. Since this is a particularly confuse subject, people sort of agreed to refrain from drawing conclusions, and just say what the manga says. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:41, May 15, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :::But to be fair, Sasuke has been using his Rinnegan with the same attributes it had while his Sharingan. It really seems to be a combination of the two -- It looks like it, and functions like it. And that would actually make sense, even though it hasn't been called a Sharingan directly. But that's not my argument. My argument is that the Juubi's eye has definitely been refereed to as Sharingan. Just because it might have the potential to also be Rinnegan doesn't mean it shouldn't be included as it is currently known into the pages. [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 16:50, May 15, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Kaguyas third eye is a combination of the Sharingan and Rinnegan. I will explain this with genetics. Kaguya Otsutsuki: Possesses the Three Great Dojutsu|Hagoromo Otsutsuki: Inherited the Rinnegan.;Hamura Otsutsuki: Inherited the Byakugan|Indra: Inherited the Sharingan from Kaguya, inherited Hagoromos "eyes" and Yin, Uchiha clan ancestor.;Asura: No Dojutsu, inherited Hagoromos "body" and Yang, Senju clan ancestor.|Hamuras child: Inherited Byakugan, Hyuga clan ancestor.(Possible) Hamuras child: Inherited Fuinjutsu skills, Uzumaki clan ancestor.|As for Indra inheriting the Sharingan from Kaguya, it is possible, the same scenario occurred in real life albeit it dealt with race.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 17:56, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization |
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+ | :No, enough with crackpot theories already. Kaguya possesses only Rinnegan and Byakugan, since as stated by Seel, Kishi made a distinction and wrote power of Sharingan and Byakugan rather than Sharingan and Byakugan. That being, the red Rinnegan has Sharingan power, but no matter how you twist it, Rinnegan be it purple, red, green or fucking blue for all I care, will continue to be just that... a Rinnegan--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:01, June 23, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Bro, even the genetics did not help? You are correct, Kishimoto needs to explain this. It is causing several inconsistencies, until I am proven wrong I decide to believe Kaguya possesses The Three Great Dojutsu.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 20:40, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization |
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+ | : The only crackpot theory out there is that Kaguya only possesses a Rinnegan, but I'm fine with waiting. Time always proves these insane theories wrong and it is usually fun to watch them burn. Until then, though, we don't need to add or take out anything. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:55, June 23, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Wouldn't the details about the non-Uchiha chakra drain be better suited in the trivia section? It doesn't exactly fit in the abilities section due to not being an ability. It would be fine in a drawbacks section, but this page doesn't have one. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:07, May 23, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | In the trivia it says Kakashi is the only non-Uchiha with Sharingan in both eye sockets, I think we should mention Danzo in that just that he has them embedded into his arm. |
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+ | :Removed it, thanks for letting me know--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:57, September 21, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | How come we do not add the reincarnated jinchuriki to the list of wielders? This question also goes for the Rinnegan. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 05:44, October 21, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | :The Six Paths of Pain have a reflection of their controller's eyes, it isn't like they actually have Sharingan/Rinnegan implanted in their eye sockets.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 05:48, October 21, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | ::Same reason Menma ain't a Sharingan user--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:26, October 21, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | No, it is the same thing Obito did with Kakashi, his dojutsu chakra is sent into another person or corpses brain and they awaken the same eyes. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:51, December 20, 2014 (UTC) |
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+ | Why is Lightning transmission part of the Sharingan's abilities. Sure it makes it easier to use, but it's not a Sharingan technique. [[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 20:34, February 26, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | :Because the databook says so. The same rationale why gentle fist techniques are listed as kekkei genkai even though they aren't. The Byakugan may not be mandatory but is essential. Apparently Lightning Transmission is effective thanks to the Sharingan--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:49, February 26, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | ::So following that logic why isn't Chidori and/or Raikiri on there? It's been stated the user needs the Sharingan in order to use it effectively.[[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 03:13, February 27, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | :::Because Kishi decided so recently with DB4. IF the old Chidori/Raikiri techniques should be updated to that is something for a discussion.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:16, February 27, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::The databook description of that technique doesn't even mention the Sharingan, though. I have no idea what it has to do with the technique. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:01, February 27, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::Well, it's a Raikiri-derivered tech and Raikiri kinda needs the Sharingan--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:36, February 27, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::Yes, but this technique works entirely different than the Raikiri. There's no high speed involved or anything that would actually need the Sharingan. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:39, February 27, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | /shrugs, Kishi business.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:45, February 27, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | == Sarada == |
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+ | I Think Sarada Should Be Mentioned In Trivia As The Only Uchiha Seen To Awaken Their Sharingan Under Non-Negative Influences. [[User:Bob1200|Bob1200]] ([[User talk:Bob1200|talk]]) 06:58, December 31, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | :Obito awakened his sharingan with non negative emotions. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 09:07, December 31, 2015 (UTC) |
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+ | WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE LIST!! The list has Clay jutsu, and wood stylr jutsus, and many others! Half of the jutsus are not even Sharingan related. Someone's been messing with the Naruto wikia, as I notice something wrong with naruto's article, and Sasukes. Someone fix this! ([[User:AtlantisUchiha|AtlantisUchiha]] ([[User talk:AtlantisUchiha|talk]]) 08:39, November 6, 2016 (UTC)) |
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+ | :Please calm down and read: [[Thread:217742]]. --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:41, November 6, 2016 (UTC) |
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+ | Why is it saying that non-Uchiha cannot deactivate it when Kakashi Hatake does just that? You can argue that he was possessed or someone else's soul dwelt in him during that episode but it was still deactivated and the deactivation was done by Kakashi, not the foreign soul possessing/dwelling in him. [[User:SovietSnail|SovietSnail]] ([[User talk:SovietSnail|talk]]) 01:05, August 24, 2019 (UTC) |
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+ | Incorrect, Obito and his soul left along with the chakra Obito had therefor the Sharingan disappeared. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 07:11, August 24, 2019 (UTC) |
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+ | When/where was it stated/shown that a Sharingan user needs to know an element to copy a jutsu? Given that we know Sharingan users perfectly copy things they had never seen before why is nature transformation any different? [[User:LegionZero|LegionZero]] ([[User talk:LegionZero|talk]]) 19:55, June 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | :In chapter 319, Kakashi says it took Sasuke several days to learn lightning release when he was being taught the Chidori. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 22:39, June 1, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | I know Madara initially said Sasuke's Mangekyo are Straight Tomoe, but he later said "Sharingan", which would mean the Straight Tomoe applies to the basic form as well. It has also been heavily implied Mangekyo design isn't related to being "straight". Can we talk about Straight Tomoe here too in that case?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 05:49, November 11, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | Here's something to think about, Madara's original MS did not have any straight design to it. Izuna's did though. Itachi's did not, but Sasuke's did. So I think you are right in that this is referring to the normal Sharingan. In think it is probably a trait that only another Sharingan user who knows what to look for can notice(Madara). So Sasuke and Madara have Choku Tomoe Sharingan and what EXACTLY that REALLY means is actually unknown. [[User:BloodOfTheArchon|BloodOfTheArchon]] ([[User talk:BloodOfTheArchon|talk]]) 07:32, November 11, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/whats-so-special-about-the-choku-tomoe-sharingan.982769/ |
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+ | I'm now more sure that it is referring to the EMS, Madara himself never called it Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.. so I think the term he has for the EMS is Choku Tomoe, as for Sasuke it straightened out Itachi's design in the middle of Sasuke's design making it Choku Tomoe. While for Madara Izuna's straight bar shaped Tomoe remained. [[User:BloodOfTheArchon|BloodOfTheArchon]] ([[User talk:BloodOfTheArchon|talk]]) 07:39, November 11, 2020 (UTC) |
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+ | Sorry for the month delay in response. I am fairly certain being "Straight Tomoe" doesn't relate to design at all. Madara stated Sasuke was the only one to awaken a Straight Tomoe like himself, even though Izuna was originally the one with a straight design, yet Madara made no mention Izuna's being straight or Obito for that matter. Furthermore, it is implied having a Straight Tomoe was due to them being Indra's reincarnates.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 16:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC) |
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Shouldn't we add that the Sharingan requires two eyes to bring out their true potential as noted by madara in chapter 602 —This unsigned comment was made by 46.17.233.102 (talk • contribs) .
We don't know what was meant by that, either Susanoo/Rinnegan or something new--Elveonora (talk) 23:37, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
If the Sharingan requires two eyes to bring out their true potential does that mean that if obito had his other sharingan he'd have the same abilities he does now expect he would be to suck things in the other dimension without physical contact like kakashi's version of kamui and his own current kamui would be strengthened? --82.39.201.72 (talk) 17:54, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
No point in discussing it, that's forum talk. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:59, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
What do you mean that's forum talk? why shouldn't we discuss it? --82.39.201.72 (talk) 19:01, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Discussing the topic of an article just for the sake of discussion is considered forum talk. Topic is meant to be discussed only as far as needed to determine how to list the information. If Sharingan does X, we simply say it does, and unless that goes against anything previously established, in which case discussion should be restricted in pointing that out in the article, no point in discussing why it does X. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:27, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
I don't get what you mean... --82.39.201.72 (talk) 21:42, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Basically, if you want to ask something just for the sake of asking, don't. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:45, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
I'm a massive naruto fan and not a vandal I do lose my cool from time to time just thought I'd let you know. I just wanna like know more so I can help more. --82.39.201.72 (talk) 22:14, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
The only instance that we know this could refer to would be "a 3rd power" an example of this being Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi requirement for Susanoo use. Simply A Mangekyou tech. in left along with B Mangekyou tech. in right in order to use "C" with both. But since we don't know if this is what was referred for, it's soon to conclude as such--Elveonora (talk) 23:25, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Copy Kekkei Genkai
it should be noted the Sharingan can decipher kekkei genkai techniques if the user has the kekkei genkai in question, Madara can use all of the first's jutsu because of his first hand experience reading the techniques after his reincarnation because of this. 75.172.178.82 (talk) 07:52, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
Hey Cerez, this one might actually have a point. It's noted the Sharingan can't duplicate bloodline abilities, but at the same time, It doesn't seem like it can copy any technique the user can't perform. For example, Sasuke's sharingan copied Shadow of the Dancing Leaf from Lee, but he himself didn't possess the speed to duplicate Lee's other moves until he trained for the 3rd stage of the Chuunin exam. In this case, Madara didn't have the ability to perform wood release when he was alive, but when revived he duplicated abilities of Hashirama's he couldn't have seen less than 50 years ago. If phrased properly, I think it's worth noting that if in possession of the capacity to perform a bloodline, the Sharingan can duplicate it. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 16:35, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
- I never said the person is wrong. I said it was speculation beyond the point of necessity. We do not know how the Sharingan functions with regards to kekkei genkai whether or not it can decipher them but it's because they don't have the capability to do it that they can't reproduce it or Madara simply remembered Hashirama's techniques and then practised them etc. When Madara transplanted Hashirama's DNA into his wounds he noted that nothing happened with regards to the Rinnegan, he never said anything about Wood Release.--Cerez365™(talk) 17:13, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
Bloodline/Eternal
Does it really require the person that gives the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan to be a sibling or someone of close relation? Kakashi got his sharingan, though not in Mangekyo form, and has had no side effects in his vision. It seems like you just have to get another eye, not one related to you. 192.183.30.172 (talk) 03:15, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
I don't fully understand what you are trying to say... but Kakashi doesnot have Eternal Magekyo Sharingan.~ UltimateSupreme 03:20, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Kakashi has shown signs of debilitating sight it's just that he does not use the MS nearly as much as an Uchiha does. And so far we've only seen a sibling transfer their eyes to another. Along with what Itachi said to Sasuke during their battle, that's the only basis we have to go on.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:50, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Not to mention each MS technique puts a different amount of strain on an eye--Elveonora (talk) 17:01, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Kyuubi Control
How did obito put the nine tails under his control while it was inside kushina, because he stared at kushina and somehow the nine tails got put under his controlRiptide240 (talk) 18:06, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Even Sasuke could suppress it's chakra simply by using a genjutsu on Naruto, entering his mind and interacting with Kurama. Obito likely did the same, entered her mind dimension or what s*** that is, took control of fox and opened Kushina's seal--Elveonora (talk) 18:35, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Receiving the Sharingan
What I'm about to say is not cannon material but well, it is in the world of Naruto, so yea.. I just saw the Inheritors of the Will of Fire movie and in that Hiruko seemed to want to absorb Kakashi to obtain the Kekkei Genkai, Sharingan. So is it like once the sharingan is transferred from one person to another, it can't be transferred again? I mean Hiruko could have just taken out the eye, but instead only wanted to absorb Kakashi...so how does this work? Teppei talk 14:18, 5/29/2013
Oh and also if that's true, should the info be added there? Teppei talk 14:43, 5/29/2013
In theory, yes, a simple eye transplant should do it, but the whole point was to absorb them with the Chimera Technique. I mean, the whole point of developing that technique was to get stronger by absorbing other's abilities. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:04, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, he wanted to absorb the users because Kekkei Genkai such as the Dark/Shade Release, Storm Release, Swift Release and Steel Release can't possibly be transferred from one person to another as they are more or less of Bloodline limits. Whereas the Sharingan can be transferred with eye transplant, so why not do that? Or maybe like you said, he just went with the flow and absorbed everyone he chose anyway.. so now there are two ways of receiving the sharingan? Teppei talk 04:35, 5/30/2013
- Absorbing it with his technique probably had some upsides. For example, if he transplanted the eye, he'd have only one Sharingan. With the Chimera Technique, he'd probably "transplant" the the very genes responsible for the Sharingan to himself, getting both eyes, improved control (able to turn it on and off), and probably lessened chakra cost as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:32, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
- Right.. And thanks for clearing that up! :) Teppei talk 11:41, 5/30/2013
Re Awaken
Should we mention that the Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan need to be re-awoken if the possessor is unaware of it awakening previously as shown by Sasuke and Kakashi? TricksterKing (talk) 09:28, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
- IMO, yes. I agree mentioning that. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 09:29, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
- It has to be carefully worded though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:00, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
- Very careful. Especially because, of those two isolated cases, we still don't know how Kakashi "re-awoken" his Mangekyō Sharingan. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 19:49, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
- It has to be carefully worded though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:00, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
The only possible stress able to cause the re-awakening of his Mangekyo was probably when he found Naruto at the Valley of the End. It may not have been shown on screen, but I think that is when he re-awakened it.. can't be proven though. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:02, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
What is this business with "Re-awakening"? Can someone explain it. Until reading this, despite having read every chapter of the manga and most of the anime, I had not heard anything about it. --Taynio (talk) 16:13, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Sasuke awakened his Sharingan unconsciously when he chased Itachi. Kakashi awakened his Mangekyo Sharingan unconsciously when Rin died. Both needed to awake it while being conscious to make use of it. If you don't remember that you've already awakened it, you can't use it. Seelentau 愛議 16:44, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke awakened his Sharingan unconsciously when he chased Itachi. - is that even correct? I mean, he obviously remembers it later, saying he locked those memories away. He obviously can only lock them away if he can remember them, right? Seelentau 愛議 12:20, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Did he recall himself having used the Sharingan or chasing Itachi tho?--Elveonora (talk) 12:51, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Ya. Also, he had to use the Sharingan to read the naka stone monument. Seelentau 愛議 13:05, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, didn't Sasuke have more tomoe the second time he "awakened" it?--Soul reaper (talk) 13:08, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. Seelentau 愛議 13:09, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Wasn't Sasuke shown reading the tablet without his Sharingan? Trvia somewhere around at least used to say so--Elveonora (talk) 13:13, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- No. Seelentau 愛議 13:16, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Wasn't Sasuke shown reading the tablet without his Sharingan? Trvia somewhere around at least used to say so--Elveonora (talk) 13:13, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. Seelentau 愛議 13:09, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, didn't Sasuke have more tomoe the second time he "awakened" it?--Soul reaper (talk) 13:08, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Ya. Also, he had to use the Sharingan to read the naka stone monument. Seelentau 愛議 13:05, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
The reason I bring up the tomoe is that, while we have stated that more experience with the Sharingan allows it to mature, I'm fairly sure Sasuke's was shown maturing when he went through periods of strong emotion. To me at least it seems as though the whole "strong emotions" aspect of the Uchiha's power permeates every aspect of their Kekkei Genkai.--Soul reaper (talk) 13:18, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Could be, yes. Seelentau 愛議 13:20, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- It's not really something we can cite though is it?--Soul reaper (talk) 13:21, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- I... don't really understand how it's related to my question? Seelentau 愛議 13:22, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- The whole subject of Sasuke awakening and reawakening his Sharingan just jogged my memory. I may have gone off on a tangent.--Soul reaper (talk) 13:29, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- I... don't really understand how it's related to my question? Seelentau 愛議 13:22, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- It's not really something we can cite though is it?--Soul reaper (talk) 13:21, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
He might have locked away his memory of chasing Itachi and recalled it later, but we don't know if he was aware of the fact that he had the Sharingan on then.--Elveonora (talk) 13:47, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- There is no reason to believe he wasn't. Seelentau 愛議 13:58, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- What about Kakashi then? Well, both have in common that they passed out afterwards, it could have seemed like a dream to them or something.--Elveonora (talk) 14:15, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- Sasuke didn't pass out. He chased Itachi and even threw Kunai at him. Kakashi awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan while passing out, so there's a huge difference. Seelentau 愛議 14:17, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
- What about Kakashi then? Well, both have in common that they passed out afterwards, it could have seemed like a dream to them or something.--Elveonora (talk) 14:15, April 7, 2014 (UTC)
Source
Okay, 671 may have provided us with a certain information. We know that Kaguya had the Sharingan, which in her case looks like the Shinju's eye. We know that Kaguya ate the Shinju's fruit, and gained power from it. I find it highly unlikely that she already had the Sharingan third eye that just happened to look like the Shinju's eye. I tried looking at the mural-like depictions of her in 646, but the angles are bad, so there's no way to tell if she already had the third eye before eating the fruit. My question is, do we have enough to state that the Sharingan originally stemmed from the Shinju? By consequence, is Hagoromo's classification of that eye a reason for us to list the Shinju as a Sharingan user as well? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:43, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I'd list the Shinju as a Sharingan user, yes. However, I would only point at how both eyes look the same, not stating that Kaguya got her third eye from the chakra fruit. Seelentau 愛議 16:44, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Well, the Shinju's eye looks like a mix or Rinnegan and Sharingan, so why would it be called just Sharingan? She ate the fruit and got the Sharingan apparently and her son was born with the Rinnegan. Both eye stem from the Shinju and its eye just happens to look like both, that's why I don't get why would it be just the Sharingan and not Rinnegan coming from it--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Because the eye was called Sharingan, not Sharinnegan. Seelentau 愛議 20:54, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- You missed my point, I think. Why is the Kaguya's eye stated to be Sharingan since it also resembles the Rinnegan?--Elveonora (talk) 21:04, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know, ask Hagoromo. Seelentau 愛議 21:19, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- My view on this? Purely speculation, but here it is: Why do we assume that the three tomoe Sharingan is its most mature form? Well, obviously because all the Sharingan we've seen only gain three tomoe, but nowhere in the manga is it actually stated that three tomoe means it is fully mature. It could just be that Kaguya, being the original human user, matured her Sharingan far beyond that of current Uchiha. Her prowess with it (and the Byakugan) were stated to have been the reason she was able to rule the planet. So, that logic included, suggests her Sharingan was much better than any of the current ones. Anyways, this isn't a forum so excuse my blurb. Speculation aside, the Shinju has a Sharingan, so yes, it should be added. It doesn't matter how it looks. It was flat out said to be a Sharingan. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 23:42, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't know, ask Hagoromo. Seelentau 愛議 21:19, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- You missed my point, I think. Why is the Kaguya's eye stated to be Sharingan since it also resembles the Rinnegan?--Elveonora (talk) 21:04, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Because the eye was called Sharingan, not Sharinnegan. Seelentau 愛議 20:54, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Well, the Shinju's eye looks like a mix or Rinnegan and Sharingan, so why would it be called just Sharingan? She ate the fruit and got the Sharingan apparently and her son was born with the Rinnegan. Both eye stem from the Shinju and its eye just happens to look like both, that's why I don't get why would it be just the Sharingan and not Rinnegan coming from it--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
- Considering that Tsukuyomi is a Sharingan technique, and that both Kaguya and the Shinju can use the amplified version of Tsukuyomi (Infinite Tsukuyomi, yes?) and that both presumably have amplified (or in this case, "more matured") versions of the Sharingan, it's fair to state that both Kaguya and the Shinju are Sharingan users. WindStar7125 (talk) 23:57, April 2, 2014 (UTC)WindStar7125
- Alright then. Everyone, so far, seems to be on the same page. I'mma go ahead and add the relevant information.~ Ten Tailed Fox 00:21, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Considering that Tsukuyomi is a Sharingan technique, and that both Kaguya and the Shinju can use the amplified version of Tsukuyomi (Infinite Tsukuyomi, yes?) and that both presumably have amplified (or in this case, "more matured") versions of the Sharingan, it's fair to state that both Kaguya and the Shinju are Sharingan users. WindStar7125 (talk) 23:57, April 2, 2014 (UTC)WindStar7125
Please don't add that Kaguya got her Sharingan from eating the fruit, ya? That's (reasonable) speculation. Seelentau 愛議 08:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Not sure if sarcastic or... Anyway, why would her Sharingan have the Rinnegan rings? Also why would her son with watered-down power be born with an apparently superior doujutsu (the Rinnegan) an eye that's "final stage" of what even the Shinju has? Doesn't make any sense. The Shinju doesn't have Sharingan guys...--Elveonora (talk) 09:44, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Hagoromo called Kaguya's third eye a Sharingan, and that is the exact same eye Shinju has. What is it supposed to be then? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:46, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Who's to say that the original sharingan isn't superior to the rinnegan? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:17, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
@Omni, read at Kaguya's talkpage. I can't seem to make any sense of it, but perhaps I'm just too dumb for this thing. If Sharingan came first, what happened to "if you progress beyond the Sharingan, there lies the Rinnegan" more or less it's contradictory which came first and which is upper stage of the other--Elveonora (talk) 23:00, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
- Kaguya's Sharingan, despite being called a Sharingan, is clearly not the same as the Sharingan most Uchiha developed. That progression as we know applies only to the three tomoe Sharingan. Whether Kaguya Sharingan is as powerful or more than the Rinnegan, we don't know. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:16, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
- So since it's a Sharingan in name-only, why do you treat it the same way as the ordinary Sharingan? The to us known Sharingan is a watered down version of the Rinnegan, while the Rinnegan is either a watered down version of Kaguya's "Sharingan" or perhaps even superior to it. Also her eye in fact would be a closer thing to "Sharingan progenitor" than the eyes we thought Indra had.--Elveonora (talk) 23:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Frankly, all of that doesn't matter. Kishi called it a Sharingan. We call it a Sharingan. End of debate until we know more. Its pointless to speculate on the "why" when we simply do not know. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 01:04, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
- It's one of the only times I agree with your bluntness. It's a Sharingan. It may be called the same but function or look differently, but until we know more, we cannot say anything other than what we're told (a la Naruto and bijuu). --Taynio (talk) 01:31, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
An even more simple explanation.. She had Sharingan and Byakugan first.. then she ate Shinju fruit.. then Shinju eye fused with her third eye Sharingan, then Hagoromo was born with the Sharingans superior evolution the Rinnegan. That is more logical and makes more sense. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:59, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- She didn't have the third eye before.--Elveonora (talk) 10:05, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
- We don't actually know that. The only depiction we have of Kaguya that we know is from before eating the fruit is a highly stylised mural depiction, and none of the angles show if she had the third eye. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:22, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
As of the new chapter we can be pretty much positive that the Third Eye is a side affect of the Shinju's influence and is essentially its own eye in human form. Also, Obito was planning on using the Juubi's eye in its Shinju form to perform the Infinite Tsukuyomi, showing that both eyes function identically. Madara obtained the same eye by absorbing the Shinju, instead of merely eating its fruit (which he was initially planning to do instead). In Kaguya's case, it was directly called a Sharingan. It could also be a combination of Rinnegan and Sharingan, if its in any way connected to Sasuke's Rinnegan that he received as his part of Hagoromo's power, who was also the Shinju's jinchuriki. However, at the very least, I think we can confirm that the Juubi's eye is a Sharingan (with potential to be a combination variant with the Rinnegan). I think we should add an "Eye of Shinju" into the Sharingan page explaining the eye and how it is different from the regular sharingan, and its capabilities, since its more of a Tailed Beast Skill rather than a Kekkei Genkai. Skarrj (talk) 05:22, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- Before Sasuke's new left eye was shown and called a Rinnegan, what's kinda what we did. It was reverted because despite the three eyes at the time (Shinju, Kaguya, and Sasuke) looking the same, one was called a Sharingan, one was called a Rinnegan, and the other wasn't called anything. Since this is a particularly confuse subject, people sort of agreed to refrain from drawing conclusions, and just say what the manga says. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:41, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
- But to be fair, Sasuke has been using his Rinnegan with the same attributes it had while his Sharingan. It really seems to be a combination of the two -- It looks like it, and functions like it. And that would actually make sense, even though it hasn't been called a Sharingan directly. But that's not my argument. My argument is that the Juubi's eye has definitely been refereed to as Sharingan. Just because it might have the potential to also be Rinnegan doesn't mean it shouldn't be included as it is currently known into the pages. Skarrj (talk) 16:50, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
Kaguyas third eye is a combination of the Sharingan and Rinnegan. I will explain this with genetics. Kaguya Otsutsuki: Possesses the Three Great Dojutsu|Hagoromo Otsutsuki: Inherited the Rinnegan.;Hamura Otsutsuki: Inherited the Byakugan|Indra: Inherited the Sharingan from Kaguya, inherited Hagoromos "eyes" and Yin, Uchiha clan ancestor.;Asura: No Dojutsu, inherited Hagoromos "body" and Yang, Senju clan ancestor.|Hamuras child: Inherited Byakugan, Hyuga clan ancestor.(Possible) Hamuras child: Inherited Fuinjutsu skills, Uzumaki clan ancestor.|As for Indra inheriting the Sharingan from Kaguya, it is possible, the same scenario occurred in real life albeit it dealt with race.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 17:56, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
- No, enough with crackpot theories already. Kaguya possesses only Rinnegan and Byakugan, since as stated by Seel, Kishi made a distinction and wrote power of Sharingan and Byakugan rather than Sharingan and Byakugan. That being, the red Rinnegan has Sharingan power, but no matter how you twist it, Rinnegan be it purple, red, green or fucking blue for all I care, will continue to be just that... a Rinnegan--Elveonora (talk) 20:01, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Bro, even the genetics did not help? You are correct, Kishimoto needs to explain this. It is causing several inconsistencies, until I am proven wrong I decide to believe Kaguya possesses The Three Great Dojutsu.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 20:40, June 23, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
- The only crackpot theory out there is that Kaguya only possesses a Rinnegan, but I'm fine with waiting. Time always proves these insane theories wrong and it is usually fun to watch them burn. Until then, though, we don't need to add or take out anything. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 21:55, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Sharingan Chakra Drain
Wouldn't the details about the non-Uchiha chakra drain be better suited in the trivia section? It doesn't exactly fit in the abilities section due to not being an ability. It would be fine in a drawbacks section, but this page doesn't have one. Atrix471 (talk) 22:07, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
Trivia
In the trivia it says Kakashi is the only non-Uchiha with Sharingan in both eye sockets, I think we should mention Danzo in that just that he has them embedded into his arm. Victory9000 (talk) 20:42, September 21, 2014 (UTC)
Wielders
How come we do not add the reincarnated jinchuriki to the list of wielders? This question also goes for the Rinnegan. Banan14kab 05:44, October 21, 2014 (UTC)
- The Six Paths of Pain have a reflection of their controller's eyes, it isn't like they actually have Sharingan/Rinnegan implanted in their eye sockets.-- JOA20 05:48, October 21, 2014 (UTC)
No, it is the same thing Obito did with Kakashi, his dojutsu chakra is sent into another person or corpses brain and they awaken the same eyes. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:51, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
Ability needs to be removed
Why is Lightning transmission part of the Sharingan's abilities. Sure it makes it easier to use, but it's not a Sharingan technique. Sanbi221 (talk) 20:34, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Because the databook says so. The same rationale why gentle fist techniques are listed as kekkei genkai even though they aren't. The Byakugan may not be mandatory but is essential. Apparently Lightning Transmission is effective thanks to the Sharingan--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 20:49, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
- So following that logic why isn't Chidori and/or Raikiri on there? It's been stated the user needs the Sharingan in order to use it effectively.Sanbi221 (talk) 03:13, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Because Kishi decided so recently with DB4. IF the old Chidori/Raikiri techniques should be updated to that is something for a discussion.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:16, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- The databook description of that technique doesn't even mention the Sharingan, though. I have no idea what it has to do with the technique. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:01, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Well, it's a Raikiri-derivered tech and Raikiri kinda needs the Sharingan--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:36, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, but this technique works entirely different than the Raikiri. There's no high speed involved or anything that would actually need the Sharingan. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:39, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Well, it's a Raikiri-derivered tech and Raikiri kinda needs the Sharingan--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:36, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- The databook description of that technique doesn't even mention the Sharingan, though. I have no idea what it has to do with the technique. • Seelentau 愛 議 13:01, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Because Kishi decided so recently with DB4. IF the old Chidori/Raikiri techniques should be updated to that is something for a discussion.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:16, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
- So following that logic why isn't Chidori and/or Raikiri on there? It's been stated the user needs the Sharingan in order to use it effectively.Sanbi221 (talk) 03:13, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
/shrugs, Kishi business.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:45, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Sarada
I Think Sarada Should Be Mentioned In Trivia As The Only Uchiha Seen To Awaken Their Sharingan Under Non-Negative Influences. Bob1200 (talk) 06:58, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
- Obito awakened his sharingan with non negative emotions. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 09:07, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
Jutsu List
WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE LIST!! The list has Clay jutsu, and wood stylr jutsus, and many others! Half of the jutsus are not even Sharingan related. Someone's been messing with the Naruto wikia, as I notice something wrong with naruto's article, and Sasukes. Someone fix this! (AtlantisUchiha (talk) 08:39, November 6, 2016 (UTC))
- Please calm down and read: Thread:217742. --Cerez365™(talk) 08:41, November 6, 2016 (UTC)
Inability
Why is it saying that non-Uchiha cannot deactivate it when Kakashi Hatake does just that? You can argue that he was possessed or someone else's soul dwelt in him during that episode but it was still deactivated and the deactivation was done by Kakashi, not the foreign soul possessing/dwelling in him. SovietSnail (talk) 01:05, August 24, 2019 (UTC)
Incorrect, Obito and his soul left along with the chakra Obito had therefor the Sharingan disappeared. FlatZone (talk) 07:11, August 24, 2019 (UTC)
Nature Transformation
When/where was it stated/shown that a Sharingan user needs to know an element to copy a jutsu? Given that we know Sharingan users perfectly copy things they had never seen before why is nature transformation any different? LegionZero (talk) 19:55, June 1, 2020 (UTC)
- In chapter 319, Kakashi says it took Sasuke several days to learn lightning release when he was being taught the Chidori. ~SnapperTo 22:39, June 1, 2020 (UTC)
Straight Tomoe
I know Madara initially said Sasuke's Mangekyo are Straight Tomoe, but he later said "Sharingan", which would mean the Straight Tomoe applies to the basic form as well. It has also been heavily implied Mangekyo design isn't related to being "straight". Can we talk about Straight Tomoe here too in that case?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 05:49, November 11, 2020 (UTC)
Here's something to think about, Madara's original MS did not have any straight design to it. Izuna's did though. Itachi's did not, but Sasuke's did. So I think you are right in that this is referring to the normal Sharingan. In think it is probably a trait that only another Sharingan user who knows what to look for can notice(Madara). So Sasuke and Madara have Choku Tomoe Sharingan and what EXACTLY that REALLY means is actually unknown. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 07:32, November 11, 2020 (UTC)
After reading through here,
https://www.narutoforums.org/threads/whats-so-special-about-the-choku-tomoe-sharingan.982769/
I'm now more sure that it is referring to the EMS, Madara himself never called it Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan.. so I think the term he has for the EMS is Choku Tomoe, as for Sasuke it straightened out Itachi's design in the middle of Sasuke's design making it Choku Tomoe. While for Madara Izuna's straight bar shaped Tomoe remained. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 07:39, November 11, 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for the month delay in response. I am fairly certain being "Straight Tomoe" doesn't relate to design at all. Madara stated Sasuke was the only one to awaken a Straight Tomoe like himself, even though Izuna was originally the one with a straight design, yet Madara made no mention Izuna's being straight or Obito for that matter. Furthermore, it is implied having a Straight Tomoe was due to them being Indra's reincarnates.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 16:14, 7 December 2020 (UTC)