Contents 1 Image 2 inheritance 3 Yang Release 4 Trivia Section 5 His descendants, who would become the Uchiha clan? 6 Shakujō as a weapon 7 Conflicting inheritance

Image Edit

Cood i have the image added 2 the page...thanks--Moiz1224 (talk) 04:30, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

inheritanceEdit

What is the lifeforce that inherited to the senju clan and why in the article says willpower? —This unsigned comment was made by Madman361 (talk • contribs) .

life force is the stamina and willpower is essentially the person's determination e, courage all that good stuff etc--Cerez365 (talk) 19:29, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ok if liforce is stamina then its chakra too the both Senju and uchiha has powerfull chakra so they both inherited the sage's chakra... —This unsigned comment was made by Madman361 (talk • contribs) .

It's not a very clearly cut inheritance, so you should probably try not to dig too much into that. Also, sign your posts with four tildes, or use the signature button, it's the fourth from right to left above the field where you type when editing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:02, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Yang ReleaseEdit

The Senju Clan Ancestor could use Yang Release?

"He was born with the Sage's "body" (the willpower and physical energy) and believed that love was the key to peace." ^[1]

"The Yang Release (陽遁, Yōton) techniques, based on the physical energy that governs vitality, can be used to breathe life into form." ^[2]

Could say the same of Uchiha Clan Ancestor but with Yin Release? --Leodix/My Talk/Contributions 07:36, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

1. ↑ Naruto chapter 462, page 11
2. ↑ Naruto chapter 510, pages 11-12

If you say that friend, then you're assuming that the Sage's sons only have one sided chakra.--Cerez365 (talk) 12:18, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

Trivia Section Edit

Hey, I just looked at the Elder Son's page and noticed that in the trivia section, it shows the theory of Hyuuga and Uchiha both descending from him since he inherited Doujutsu from him father. It was said in the Manga that the Uzumaki were relatives to the Senju, and they had abnormally long lives, which is an obvious hint at them inheriting the Sage's Body via the Younger Son... Should someone put the fact that the Senju AND Uzumaki descended from the Younger Son in his trivia section since his brother has his tree pointed out on his page? 2Smoothuwg11 (talk) 10:53, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

No. ~SnapperTo 17:39, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Why not? I don't see how it's not vital information considering it's factual that the Senju are relatives of the Uzumaki clan. If they're relatives, like how the Uchiha and Hyuuga clan are, why wouldn't it be pointed out that they're related to the Younger Son, similarly to the Senju clan? 2Smoothuwg11 (talk) 08:43, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Because it's said in the series that the Uchiha are descended from the Hyuga. That conflicts with the Uchiha being descended from this guy, and so it is mentioned. The Senju-Uzumaki relationship does not conflict with anything, so there is nothing that needs to be pointed out. ~SnapperTo 18:24, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

But the Uzumaki's need to be mentioned on this page since Senju's aren't the only ones who are descendants of this "younger brother". --Alastar 89 (talk) 20:29, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

For all we know, the Sage could have had a third kid. They said that Senju and Uzumaki are distantly related. We don't know how distant it actually is. So saying that the Uzumaki clan is descended from the Senju Clan Ancestor is speculation, even if it's plausible.Ryne 91 (talk) 20:57, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

If the Senju's are direct descendents of the Younger brother and the Uzumaki's are related to the Senju's, shouldn't the Uzumaki's also be direct descendents. For example a female senju marries a male Uzumaki, all Uzumaki's are related to this Uzumaki male and Senju female; this would mean that all Uzumaki are related to the Senju's hence related to the Sage of Six paths. --Alastar 89 (talk) 21:40, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Uzumaki and Senju could also both be descended from a third person, wholly unrelated to the Sage. The very first Senju could have married someone from Clan X, who had a sibling who married the very first Uzumaki. This would make the Senju and Uzumaki distantly related, without the Uzumaki being related to the younger son of the Sage. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 22:48, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks...I thought of that shortly after posting that and signing off. (I had a face palm moment). Though what about Madara when he is talking to Yamato/Kakashi/Naruto, he is comparing Naruto and Sasuke as continuing the battle between these two groups (older brother and younger brother). Is he only implying that it is only somekind of philosophical relation? Where the will of fire is passed on but then why does he make it sound like their is a physical resemblance as in there was a genetic relation. Is it the physical appearence of determination shows and creates the resemblance? Chapter 462 page 14 >link> [1] --Alastar 89 (talk) 23:19, April 3, 2011 (UTC)

His descendants, who would become the Uchiha clan? Edit

in background it said His descendants, who would become the Uchiha clan, but isn't he the senju clan creator?—This unsigned comment was made by Rildey (talk • contribs) .

Its talking about the Uchiha ancestor.--Deva 27 01:06, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

I reworded it a bit to reflect that, others might have that problem as well.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 01:08, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Shakujō as a weapon Edit

We have seen him using it, should not it be added ? --Elveonora (talk) 05:09, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

We did? When? —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 12:47, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

In chapter 462 i'm assuming. In the manga at least, we can't tell what those are though, it could just be a bō.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 12:51, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Hey, won't you look at that. Completely forgot about that image…

If you look closely, you can see a thickening at the top, implying it is a shakujō and not a bō. It also makes sense that the sons each inherited one of their father's weapons. I wouldn't be against adding the weapons. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 13:03, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

From that perspective, it'd also have symbolic meaning as well no?--Cerez₃₆₅™ 13:25, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I would say so, definitely. The younger son inheriting the shakujō symbolises his desire for love, whereas the older son inheriting the sword symbolises his lust for power. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 14:55, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I think saying they inherited it is a bit speculative, just saying they use the same type of weapons as their father should be sufficient. SimAnt 17:03, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't mean they literally inherited them. —ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs | translations)} 17:37, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. Not inherited, though I guess it would make a good trivia point.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 19:14, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, its symbolic ... they both are halves of their father. Thanks ShounenSuki. --Elveonora (talk) 22:02, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't thought of the symbolism in this, though in the image, I think it's a bit hard to actually see which brother is holding which weapon. The symbolism works, but can we actually see which brother is holding which weapon? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Madara is fighting in the place of the brother with a sword, and Hashirama staff. Clealer to see in anime. --Elveonora (talk) 00:11, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Uhm, I'm not 100% on what either of you are saying, but in the manga at least, we can clearly see who's holding what (well as clear as silhouettes go). As for the Madara and Hashirama bit, I cannot tell what those are, one looks like a scythe... maybe O.o?--Cerez₃₆₅™ 00:16, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

Cerez, Omni is asking if we are sure its younger brother with staff and elder with a sword, not opposite. But what Shounen said about staff representing love and sword power + "convinced he should have been chosen, the elder could not accept the decision and attacked his brother in hatred. Would be weird if he attacked his younger brother in hatred with a monk staff I think and also the silhouettes match them because the younger weared a forehead protector. And about Madara/Hashirama stuff, im not talking about their weapons ... just saying Madara is fighting at side of elder brother and Hashirama younger. --Elveonora (talk) 00:23, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

So we sure which brother holds shakujō and which holds sword, aren't we?--LeafShinobi (talk) 21:37, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

In the anime, it's clear. In the manga though you'd have to assume from what the weapons symbolise and the later positions of Madara and Hashirama during the story. I tried to find distinguishing features and apart from what might be the tied portion of the younger son's forehead protector, there are none.--Cerez₃₆₅™ 21:47, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Conflicting inheritance Edit

His article says it was "life force and physical energy" but Senju Clan article says "strength of will" instead of life force, which is correct?--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bump--Elveonora (talk) 17:07, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea. Making slight change to topic name so it doesn't conflict with the first inheritance topic. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:30, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

@Cerez, can you check please?--Elveonora (talk) 17:32, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Going from what Shounensuki said, he translated it as life force and physical energy. So I changed the Senju article to reflect that. I really wish we would get some clarification on these terms so we could create a glossary or something.--Cerez365^™(talk) 19:32, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. The strength of mind was likely from scanlation, we have to make sure it's worded even and correctly among many articles.--Elveonora (talk) 19:41, May 16, 2013 (UTC)