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==Mokuton==
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Wasn't the mokuton something unique to hashirama senju? I don't think it's something that in a couple generations someone is born with it like the Genjutsu kekkei genkai in the filler episodes. [[Special:Contributions/201.17.77.159|201.17.77.159]] 20:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
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== New members ==
   
== Family Ties to the Uchiha ==
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Add Kawarama, Senju Father and Itama on the infobox.[[Special:Contributions/186.204.178.25|186.204.178.25]] ([[User talk:186.204.178.25|talk]]) 13:17, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
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:They're there, you probably have an old version of the page in your cache. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:41, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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After reading the latest chapter, I find it fitting that every member of the Senju and Uchiha clan have each other as relatives, listed as (distant relatives). Any takers? [[Special:Contributions/75.74.164.113|75.74.164.113]] ([[User talk:75.74.164.113|talk]]) 19:53, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
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== Senju Clan Symbol ==
:We only lists close relatives with clear relationships. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 19:54, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
::For example, Madara isn't listed under Sasuke's family in the infobox...--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 19:56, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Oh, alright. Sorry, I've seen things like this work different in other wikis. My mistake. [[Special:Contributions/75.74.164.113|75.74.164.113]] ([[User talk:75.74.164.113|talk]]) 19:58, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::Not to mention the fact that there could be millennia between the modern Senju and Uchiha clans and the ancient Sage of the Six Paths and his sons. If you'd consider them relatives, you should consider every human being on Earth as related to each other. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 20:41, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
== Naruto ==
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Ok, I think I may have found what the Senju Clan's symbol is based off of. I think it's a Vajra[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajra]. (the Wikipedia page doesn't really show it, so here's another link that shows it a bit better [http://www.narahaku.go.jp/english/collection/d-1406-0-1.html])
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What do you guys think?
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--[[User:Soren7550|Soren7550]] ([[User talk:Soren7550|talk]]) 16:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:It does have a similarity. I'll write up something. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:49, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we give him the Senju symbol?I already know he is'nt directly related to them but he did have the first hokage's necklace.
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== Wood release is very rare among the clan ==
Another thing,Madara did say the first lived on in Naruto.[[Special:Contributions/24.161.123.148|24.161.123.148]] ([[User talk:24.161.123.148|talk]]) 18:50, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 
:He is not a member or a decedent of the Senju as far as we know at this point, so no symbol. And what Madara meant was that Harashima's will and thought lived in Naruto. To make it simple: they had/has the same dreams and thoughts of the world. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 18:54, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
== Kekkei genkai ==
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Ok, I believe that [[Wood Release]] may be their [[Kekkei genkai]] but not all Senju display the release, so far Hashirama is the only known Senju to display this Kekkei genkai. Because of the Kekkei genkai only occurring in one known Shinobi, it would be safe to infer that this Kekkei genkai is an autosomal recessive trait, meaning it is a rare occurring trait.
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I did not ever state that it is not their Kekkei genkai, I am only saying that it is autosomal dominant, meaning it is a very rare occurring trait like the blue people of Kentucky. Allow me to edit it and put my trivia thing back so we can allow this wiki to be as accurate as possible.
   
Since Mokuton was specific to Senju Hashirama, I think it would be best to leave the Mokuton insignia out of the Senju clan page, but that's up to you guys. What I want to propose is that we make an icon and put it in this page, and that of every Senju clan member. The icon should be Rikudo Sennin's body or something like that, seeing as that is their kekkei genkai, passed down into Senju clan members ever since the older brother got it. [[User:Jules R. J. Blake|Jules R. J. Blake]] ([[User talk:Jules R. J. Blake|talk]]) 15:04, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
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Also my Travia thing is supported by the fact that Tsunada and Tobimaru lacks the wood release.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 22:26, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
:The Sage's "body" isn't a kekkei genkai, so it doesn't need an icon. Mokuton might have been unique to Hashirama, but it was strongly associated with the Senju clan. So much so, that the clan gained the epithet "of the forest". --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 16:57, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
== Symbol ==
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Hashirama was merely the only one to awaken it. There's no need to speculate on why or how. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:33, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
Is it interesting to note that the Senju clan symbol kind of looks the oracle bone version of the kanji for wood sideways? [[Special:Contributions/24.45.20.86|24.45.20.86]] ([[User talk:24.45.20.86|talk]]) 21:29, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
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If it was as simple as awakening it then Tsunada would've done so when she was literally cut in half. You see, Autsomal recessive wouldn't quite mean only Hiroshima carries the bloodline but it would mean he would be the only one that displays the ability. Kekkei Genkai are inherited their blood and what I am telling you is the science if understanding and identifying genes that are passed down by parents, because if this is a Kekkei genkai it would've been passed down by blood which supports my statement, the wood release is a Kekkei genkai and in their blood but not all display this technique, some just carry it in their genes unknowlingly. [[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 22:45, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
:I think that is a bit of a stretch, personally. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 22:25, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
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Tobimaru is a hawk, not a Senju Clan member--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:35, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
::Well, it makes sense, considering that almost all clan symbols, including the Uchiha, have something to do with either thier names or thier abilities. *cough* Uchiha *cough*; and I do see the resemblence. [[User:Vik0z0z|Vik0z0z]] ([[User talk:Vik0z0z|talk]]) 02:08, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
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I meant [[Tobirama]]...[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 22:47, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
== controlling the the tailed beasts ==
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You aren't telling us anything we didn't know--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:03, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
is it just hashirama or any senju can control the tailed beasts or at least the kyuubi? --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.158.46|94.183.158.46]] ([[User talk:94.183.158.46|talk]]) 19:50, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
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Apparently you hadn't known because you removed my trivia question.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 23:08, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
and please add the Abilities and Trivia parts because uchiha clan page has it and I think this page should have it too. --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.158.46|94.183.158.46]] ([[User talk:94.183.158.46|talk]]) 20:10, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
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As someone who has had a discipline of genetics at college-level, I'm more aware than how genetics work than the average person, and I can tell you that there's no point in saying why no other Senju has displayed it, as there could be any number of reasons. Just because something is genetic, it doesn't mean it's automatically inheritable in one way or another. You're looking at genotype only, and there's a whole other layer called epigenetics, not to mention phenotypes. All things that become inheritable begin somewhere. Hashirama was merely the first one to have a genetic sequence allowing for that combination, and none of his descendants inherited it. Simple as that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:10, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
:The Uchiha all have similar abilities. Wood Release is unique to Hashirama and all other Senju have their own specialties. An Abilities section wouldn't work well. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:24, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
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You realize Phenotypes are part of Genotypes which makes it up... Like I've been saying, the genotype is Autosomal recessive because the PHENOTYPES are inherited that way. What country are you in? That's only Highschool level where in America. epigenetics is the study of changes in phenotype caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence, some of which are heritable. This further supports what I previously typed.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 00:58, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
and what about the trivia part?(and also my question) --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.154.188|94.183.154.188]] ([[User talk:94.183.154.188|talk]]) 09:13, January 15, 2010 (UTC)
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Phenotype is, in its plainest definition, the set of the individual's genotype added to environmental aspects of which act and interact with it. You really want me to discuss epigenetic changes like in-utero hormonal shifts increasing the translational output of genes, or how differences in acetylation and methylation increases affinity to transcription factors? My point is, it ''doesn't matter why'' Hashirama is the only one to have Wood Release, it only matters that he ''is''. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:09, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
..........anyone???
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Lol, I would like to bring to your attention that you're very wrong, Phenotypes are what makes up a genotype, two of which makes a complete genotype.
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My point is that you're wrong and won't accept reason, you never let anyone make changes to the wiki because you have nothing better to do then try to correct people when yourself are wrong.Accept your wrongness. [[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 23:28, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Creating new infobox ==
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Can you two please respect that some of us in here are mortals as well? As dumb as I feel, I have no idea what the two of you are arguing about.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:19, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:Know that you are not alone in this Elveonora. Any way, I don't think this is something that needs to be mentioned in the article. The way I understand the Senju worked, you could have every tenth person wielding a kekkei genkai that was unique to them, because they were the clan of a thousand skills. That doesn't make the ability any less Senju related/owned. Apart from that I feel like these are the real-world things that will just fly over people's heads. Granted it's a good explanation, but I doubt even Kishimoto was thinking along these lines at all. The furthest he's gone is calling Wood Release a hidenjutsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:45, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
   
I just thought of this, should we have a template for the clans:
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Sorry [[Elveonora]]... And [[Cerez]], if it was just a Hiden technique then it would've have been passed on to the clones.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 15:35, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
   
*Name
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:Drop the "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" attitude. It is a unique technique to Hashirama, nobody else in his clan has ever shown any signs of having it. We don't care about reality and what is meant to happen since this is just a fictional series and Kishi-sensei decides the storyline. Simply put, Kishi has decided that only Hashirama is to have the Wood Release in his clan, with others getting it from DNA injections, so we can't go against what he's decided and put speculation in the article. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:42, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
*Image
 
*Kanji
 
*Romanization
 
*Status
 
*Known Members:
 
   
And put if the character is deceased or not. --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 12:27, March 28, 2010 (UTC)KimaruHamachi
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So, we should remove the Kekkei genkai from the clan's page because that is merely speculation. Yamato and the Zetsu clones all use Wood Release and have the exact same DNA as him, meaning it's his DNA that is unique and he had a rare Kekkei genkai.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 15:57, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
   
Any comment or progress on this one? - [[Special:Contributions/93.139.3.121|93.139.3.121]] ([[User talk:93.139.3.121|talk]]) 16:33, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
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If you look up ''anywhere'', it'll say that phenotype is the product of the genotype, the environment, and the genotype-environment interactions. And for the last time, Wood Release is only listed as their kekkei genkai because Wood Release became highly associated with the clan, so much they became known as "Senju Clan of the Forest". If any other clan became highly associated with a kekkei genkai, despite only one person having it, said kekkei genkai would be listed in the clan's page as well.[[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
   
==Can someone give me a list of all the known Senju's?==
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:I'm guessing you mean '''wouldn't''' in which case, you might be wrong. There are a couple cases where the hidenjutsu possessed by some may be genetic-based. Any way, that is not what I meant. Within the Senju, because of the fact that they were not a typical clan i.e. one skill common amongst all members you could've had ten different kekkei genkai unique to different people rather than being common. So that means people could've had X Release, Y Release, Z Release, amongst other non-nature transformation based abilities which would '''all''' be listed as kekkei genkai of the clan. As I said before, you've gone outside the realm of relevant out-of-world trivia, to something that will only confuse of disinterest people, so I don't think it's necessary to mention at all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:20, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
--[[User:Inferuno Ryuu|Inferuno Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Inferuno Ryuu|talk]]) 20:55, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
:There already is one at the very top of the article. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 21:03, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
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Wood Release is a mutation unique to Hashirama, and since he was a member of the Senju Clan, it's being listed as their KKG. Kimimaro was also the only one with creepy bones, yet it's listed as Kaguya KKG, that's the only and simplified reason, no genetics to justify or disprove it are needed.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:27, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
   
::Woah. Wonder how I never saw that? Anyway thanks.--[[User:Inferuno Ryuu|Inferuno Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Inferuno Ryuu|talk]]) 21:24, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
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Omibender idk where you learnt that at but you're clearly wrong, the genotype is back up of two Phenotypes and anything else you would say is completely wrong. You could looked it up anywhere and you will discover that the genotype is made up of two phenotype. Also, it was stated that most of the Kaguya clan did have it and not just Kimimaro. Even the Kaguya clan Kekkei genkai is genetics since it is inherited through the blood, remember Kekkei genkai is translated to "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "blood limit", both of which involve blood.
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Did you know that in a few decades we may be able to replicate the Kaguya clan Kekkei genkai with rl people? We've already had a dog's head live without a body for a long time until the mechine got turned off. We even cloned sheep and body parts so Zetsu clones is already almost possible.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 04:21, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Symbol ==
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:You should separate your hobbies involving real-life laws and chemistry from those of fiction.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:16, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
   
What chapter was it that originally revealed the Senju Clan symbol, the chapter also had many other symbols. I tried searching back, and looking for it but that was to no avail.--[[User:KingBarragan|KingBarragan]] ([[User talk:KingBarragan|talk]]) 15:17, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
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No Csfranklin, you're wrong. Either you're confusing phenotype for something else, or you were taught it wrong. Here are results that show up in the three first pages of a Google search for "phenotype", all agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenotype 1], [http://www.thefreedictionary.com/phenotype 2], [http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/glossary=phenotype 3], [http://biology.about.com/od/geneticsglossary/g/phenotype.htm 4], [http://www.biology-online.org/dictionary/Phenotype 5], [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/phenotype 6], [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/phenotype 7], [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/phenotype 8], [http://global.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/455632/phenotype 9], [http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIA1Genotypevsphenotype.shtml 10], [https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/phenotype 11]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:12, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
:In the chapters where Madara tells the story of the founding of Konoha to Sasuke, around chapter 400, give or take a few. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:11, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Chapter 398 page 16 to be exact. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 18:05, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== clan affiliation ==
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Come on Omni, it's irrelevant in this case who is right/wrong, no need to show off who is the wiser :) the page is being protected anyway, right? So no more adding of that trivia--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:10, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
   
I disagree with the Senju clan disapearance theory that seems to be strongly suggested in this article.
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The main argument was always the moniker the clan got out of it, we would keep it regardless, but being told off by someone using a simple concept he or she clearly does not grasp and that I do, that is beyond me. Go troll someone else. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:38, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
We have to remember what is the definition of the term clan within the ninja word or even all mob-related types of affiliation.
 
No blood relations is needed to be part of a clan,individuals formally ask for it and can be accepted or not.That is why famillies within a clan can possess different abilities that are passed down to thier descendants as it was certainly the case within the famillies forming the Senju clan.
 
The Senju's name (Clan of 1000 Skills ) is a true representative of that fact and their main difference with the Ushiha clan might have been the fact that they were not alien to the idea of welcoming other people within their clan.Therefore I disagree with the idea that Sarutobi lineage might have not be part of the Senju clan : this lineage might have been within the clan since the beiginnig, as have been the Aburame or the Inuzuka as well(eventhough they might have joined after the creation of the village)
 
So it is not because you don't see anybody with the physical traits that you attributes to Senjus( as for the Ushiha) or whatever,that it means the Senju clan is dead.
 
--[[User:Yokoyoko|Yokoyoko]] ([[User talk:Yokoyoko|talk]]) 19:13, November 6, 2010 (UTC)yokoyoko
 
:The most basic and fundamental definition of clan, both in English and Japanese, is a group of people tied together through blood. True clan members are either actual blood relatives, or believe they are. you cannot just ask to be part of a clan. it simply doesn't work that way.
 
:Besides, even considering this extremely unlikely option, the Senju were never implied to be any different from family-based clans like the Uchiha. The only known Senju member who has no known family relation to the Shodai Hokage's family still has the Senju surname, implying she is still related by blood. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 19:24, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== Hashirama ==
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Omni you're such an idiot, all your links just prove you wrong. Unless you cannot understand English or just a plan retard you should know that the links provide the information that prove me right and you wrong. Phenotypes are what makes the Genotypes. Idiot, go back to Highschool.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 14:12, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:That'll do Csfranklin, that'll do. It's apparent that despite the fact that we've tried to even explain to you in-universe why Wood Release would be listed, your intelligence that reign far superior to ours won't allow you to comprehend the workings of our less developed brains.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:18, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
   
so i remember people always calling him Harashima but the wiki now calls him Hashirama was they're a change in translation or something?{{unsigned|68.224.49.218}}
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Cerez, your not an idiot and I do believe your brain is equals to all others, but the only reason I continued this is because he tried proving me wrong in a known fact. He was wrong in what Phenotypes were and he tried supporting his false information by links which further proved me to be right. I'm also sick of Omni thinking he is soul power in this wiki and nobody else can do anything.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 14:24, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
   
No, people just spelled his name wrong for a while before realizing they were wrong.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 13:03, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
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:What you are saying is completely off-topic. Well, what was the point of this topic in the first place?--'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 14:25, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you.{{unsigned|68.224.49.218}}
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::He wanted in not so few words to note that Wood Release was unique to Hashirama despite the fact that it was a kekkei genkai. Tried to explain that's how the Senju rolled, like Russian Roulette, and then there was a bit about geno/phenotypes which as I said before is too advanced and out of universe to hold any meaning to people.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:29, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:::I want to note the rareness if wood release and that it is a Kekkei genkai but a rare one because it was a recessive trait. Kishimoto is a pretty smart man, probably smarter then anyone of us here, I have complete faith that he thinks of all the details before making a character's DNA be cloned and retain their advanced release. No matter what the Release is blood related but only one known Senju has had it.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 14:36, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Ah, [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Senju_Clan?diff=763626&oldid=763292 got it]. Perhaps we could just enter a little sentence saying that: ''[[Hashirama]] is the only known Senju to have awakened the [[Wood Release]]''.--'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 14:43, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Yes, that would be surfice, I guess... Sorry the whole discussion I just don't take kindly to people claiming the facts I speak, in this case Phenotyoed being what makes up Genotypes, are wrong. When he presented links to try to prove me wrong they further proved me right. Btw, I thought there was a rule against links to other sites in this wiki? [[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 14:52, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
   
==Wood Release==
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No, to scanlation sides and other illegal stuff, there's nothing wrong with google search.
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EDIT: also you have called Omni an uneducated retard, that's personal. I don't know a sh** about this biology stuff u two are talking about, am I an uneducated retard too? Sorry for not everyone being a professor of genetics--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:10, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
   
You cannot call the Wood Release a bloodline of the Senju Clan if only one person in that clan possessed the ability to use it. Furthermore the rest of the clan were known to use abilities, like Tobirama Senju's ability to control water. Tsunade has the ability to heal herself like her grandfather but not exactly the same, her abilities stem from the obvious ability to control her body in ways others can't, this can be said for others of the clan. They possess a mastery of the body. Not 'Wood Release' It's dumb to even think that the entire clan is gifted with such a godlike ability. I think it should be removed and something like "Unknown Bloodline" added with information on all the Senju added in tell it's either released or refuted.{{unsigned|75.142.29.166}}
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:No, because you didn't have a long discussion with me about something you were wrong about.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 18:23, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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::Still, you can;t come here and attack Omnibender like that and expect it to go down well. Apart from that it is already mentioned as clear as day that Hashirama is the only one to have the ability: "''The most famous member of the clan was Hashirama Senju, whose unique Wood Release ninjutsu that gave the clan the nickname the Senju clan of the forest (森の千手一族, Mori no Senju Ichizoku)''". The Wood Release article also makes this clear.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:54, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
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::: Omni was the one that attacked me, he attacks everyone and automatically assumes he is right even though he was wrong. It is impossible for Wood release to be an advanced nature because it was transered to the Zetsu clones and Yamoto using his DNA. The Kishimoto is odd, he sometimes has characters say things that are debatable to one another, there is no telling after or not it gained it's nickname because if Hashirama or already had it. The Senju clan is based off a rl clan btw.[[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 01:32, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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:::: As far as I can see, no-one here has said Omnibender was right because I at least, have very limited knowledge of genetics. What I do have though is a pretty decent knowledge of Naruto while I'm not too sure you completely understand the series. Basic natures are fire, wind, water, earth, and lightning. Advanced natures are created from using two or more of these natures simultaneously, creating a unique nature. That being said, Wood Release is an advanced nature transformation because it used earth and water to create vegetation. The ability to combine basic nature transformations and use them simultaneously is called a bloodline limit or kekkei genkai, which is why it was passed on to Hashirama's genetic clones and Yamato who had his DNA rewritten by Hashirama's. Not because they were not passed down to other Senju (as far as we know because to be honest, Tsunade is the only person who stated that she did not inherit the ability) does not make it any less an advanced nature transformation or kekkei genkai. The same holds true for the Fourth Kazekage and Magnet Release, none of his children inherited the kekkei genkai to out knowledge. As for Senju being based off a real life clan, to my knowledge that has never been said.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:53, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
   
Sigh, Tobirama is just a skilled user in water release, Tsaunde in medical ninjutsu. Wood Release is a Elemental KKG. A KKG that only showed up in the Senju clan naturally. Also, for future reference, not all kkg are 100% inheritable.Uchiha killed off any members who did not unlock sharingan by the age of 15. The closet thing we have to a 100% KKG inheritance is the Byakugan. Then there is Gaara and his siblings. Despite having a father with the magnet release, Gaara and his siblings have not shown to inherit it. Infact lets go to another example, Kimimaro, he is the only known user of his bone control kkg yet it was stated as being the kkg of the Kaguya clan. Sounds to me that like the bone control and wood release are just very rare inheritable abilities. I could go into real world genetics as to why, but no.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 08:53, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:Compromise was reached. Everybody can move on with their lives now. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:08, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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::Kinda pointless to add it to the trivia, when it's already mentioned in the middle of the article, as Cerez has already rightly mentioned. Csfranklin, I've seen the trend with you. In every discussion I've seen you take part so far (this is the third), you either argue for something that goes against everything established in the manga (Minato discussion), or you argue for something that is outright wrong (Uzumaki mask temple location), despite the chapter being perfectly clear about it. Your misunderstanding of how an advanced nature is composed of two basic ones shows how poor of a grasp you have over the manga. Can't say I look forward to any other topic you either start or take part into in the future. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:51, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
   
I don't even think the IP user understands the Senju clan at all. Within that clan alone you know there could emerge 100- different bloodlines limits for example. It originated in the Senju and from Madara and Tsunade's conversation, it's not impossible for a descendant to inherit the kekkei genkai.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:12, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
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Call me a speculator, but I believe that perhaps not just Hashirama possesses Wood Release, he might be it's only legit user. But I doubt (unless such was stated) that advanced nature KKG users are born with the knowledge as how to perform the two natures that make it up. In other words, I believe Hashirama had to learn Water and Earth releases before he discovered that he could combine them and use Wood. Perhaps even Tobirama has it, he just simply knows not how to transform the nature of his chakra into earth's for it to be possible.
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For Zetsu, they are wood release creation, it's part of their beings. Orochimaru thought all his hash-dosed children to have died a failure, meaning that Yamato didn't show the power right after the experiment was done.
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Danzo is questionable, perhaps he knew water and earth, not just wind.
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A little more about Hashirama, during the flashbacks as a child, there's not even a hint of anyone being aware that he is a Pinocchio, nor himself shows such. His father or brothers weren't like: "omg, ur unique, u must be protected at all costs, we will use ur power to take down the uchiha" etc. meaning it has likely manifested during his later years or he actually wasn't the only Senju with it and they were well aware about their power--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:18, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
   
Umishiru, where on earth did you get the "Uchiha kills Uchiha who don't awaken the Sharingan by 15" non-sense from? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:02, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
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As for the off-topic argument regarding phenotype and genotype: Omni is correct, and this coming from a holder of a degree in biology, concentration in physiology, having had plenty of genetics classes to obtain said degree. Phenotype is, in laymen terms, the physical sign of the genotype (genotype being the code that makes the phenotype -- the instructions that can lead to a phenotype; such as AAaa of a genotype leading to, say, brown eyes (phenotype), but so does AAAa ('''Mindful these are not the actual genotypes''') resulting in two genotpes making up the same phenotype). The links Omni provided only support his case and not the opposite; in fact the wiki link providedd alone should suffice. If you do wish to further argue the point, I can pull out one of my old genetics text books from uni and take a picture of it, highlighting the portions. Or take Stanford University's link and review it. [http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/genotype-phenotype/#2 Pheno/Geno(type)]
:Dear Lord, I died a little.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:28, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
can't wait to read another fanfic ... "popcorn" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:40, April 11, 2012 (UTC)
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As for the on-topic: There is nothing wrong with changing the information to reflect that Hashirama is the only known user to either have or to have awakened Wood Release. But until more information is provided or release, we shoudl err' on the side of caution and simply state Hashirama is the only known user, as the latter suggests that others have it yet simply have not awakened it. And while it is possible to have a KKG such as that in several people, it also requires (to my knowlege, though I may be wrong) for the person to have an affinity of both elements; something where it cannot be learned. But as it stands, the wiki's pages already reflect that. I know others have concluded the discussion, but I felt the need to agree to further support the ideas presented. --[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 12:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
   
Isn't that what Itachi told Sasuke?[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 22:24, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
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::[[98.101.165.89]] I was the one saying it the phenotype is the physical sign of the genotype... Like a female with the genotype of AA mates with a mlke that has aa, they offspring will have Aa. The Phenotypes A and a. [[User:Csfranklin|Csfranklin]] ([[User talk:Csfranklin|talk]]) 14:51, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
   
Went back check, I guess I misread it way back then.Also, Eleveonora, that was rude.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 22:38, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
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== Abilities ==
   
Sorry, thought you have read that on some fanon page. Again, no hard feelings on my side, just seemed kinda out of place--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:42, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
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Could someone make a section on their abilities.--[[User:Shotcolla|Shotcolla]] ([[User talk:Shotcolla|talk]]) 20:16, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
== should we add Naruto? ==
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Already mentioned in the article. Read the second paragraph in the History section.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 20:29, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
Well I am asking if I can add Naruto to the Senju Clan. Well i mean Mito is apart of the clan by marring The First hokage and he resembles nawaii who we should also add and also Nagato since he has the Rinnegan.--[[User:Gamma Venom 567|Gamma Venom 567]] ([[User talk:Gamma Venom 567|talk]]) 01:21, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
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== Mito a Member? ==
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Why is Mito listed as a member of the Senju Clan? If its because she was married to Hashirama, shouldn't it be noted she's only a "Senju" by marriage?--[[User:The Zeitgeist|The Zeitgeist]] ([[User talk:The Zeitgeist|talk]]) 14:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
ummmmmm No.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.224|71.71.58.224]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.224|talk]]) 01:26, July 9, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
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:Yes, it's because she's married into the clan. Don't think that annotations work with the clan parameter, but I think most people can reasonable assume her listing as a Senju is through marriage. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:45, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::The infobox isn't the end all of the article. If you even see that there and read the article, you would realise why she's listed as a Senju.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:49, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
Wut? ...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:50, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
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::: Good point.--[[User:The Zeitgeist|The Zeitgeist]] ([[User talk:The Zeitgeist|talk]]) 16:53, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
 
Well The Senju and Uzumaki were originally branch families descendents to the Sage of Six Paths through the younger son. Plus Naruto is his descendant I mean look at him now.--[[User:Gamma Venom 567|Gamma Venom 567]] ([[User talk:Gamma Venom 567|talk]]) 01:59, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Nope. Only Senju and Uchiha are said to descend from the Uzumaki, for all we know, a Senju married into the Uzumaki a long time ago and that's why they're distantly related. It was never said that the Uzumaki descends from the Sage, nor that they have a common ancestor with the Senju. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:29, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Wrong The Uzumaki clan and Senju are related by Blood so they are distinct cousins and also The Ancestor had a strong life force and their Tenchiques are somewhat similar to the Sage of Six paths since he also used the same sealing technique.So in a way they are related to both the Senju and the Sage of Six Paths --[[User:Gamma Venom 567|Gamma Venom 567]] ([[User talk:Gamma Venom 567|talk]]) 02:42, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Naruto is a descendant of the Uzumaki clan, so he isn't a Senju even if he is a distant relative of any living Senju. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 04:27, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
A Senju marrying into the Uzumaki clan and having children would still make those children cousins to anyone born in the actual Senju clan later. If the Senju marrying into the Uzumaki had any children, said children would be Uzumaki, and be blood related to the Senju. You're making a connection where, despite being likely to be one, there has yet to be told there is. You're saying is that they have a common ancestor, which was not said. What I'm saying is that it's possible that they're related due to one clan branching out to another by marrying into it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:50, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yes.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.224|71.71.58.224]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.224|talk]]) 06:00, July 9, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
Though I never really gave this any thought, Omni is right. It could be that the Uzumaki share a common Senju ancestor and hence their connection to the Sage. That would still explain their powerful life force. But that's still all speculation, but until Naruto's relation is properly defined, he couldn't be listed as a Senju, if any at all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:37, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
* Uzumaki being blood-related to Sage = speculation unless confirmed, Uzumaki and Senju blood could have mixed together over years, but that doesn't mean that the original Uzumaki had Sage as their ancestor.
 
 
* Kushina was Uzumaki and Minato a Namikaze, Naruto doesn't have any Senju blood in him unless Kishi says otherwise and neither bears such surname nor was adopted into Senju Clan ...
 
 
* Naruto is as related to Senju as Sasuke (Uchiha) to Neji (Hyuga) by rumors and legends only--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:47, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Naruto is from the Uzumaki clan, not the Senju Clan. Those clans may be distantly related but judging by that logic we could add every Uchiha too, since their ancestors were related too. [[User:FirePit|FirePit]] ([[User talk:FirePit|talk]]) 15:50, July 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think that The senju and Uzumaki clan being distint relatives are rumors or Legends but it's a branch family that the Senju Clan Ancestor's spouse and possibyl his descendants are both The Senju and Uzumaki clan.--[[User:Gamma Venom 567|Gamma Venom 567]] ([[User talk:Gamma Venom 567|talk]]) 21:59, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== DNA ==
 
 
Shouldn't we add a thing mentioning how the Senju DNA or Cells can be used to prolong/prevent deterioration of one's eyesight of over usage of the Mangekyo Sharingan and how it enhanced the techniques greatly.[[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 04:16, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Could you reference something to back up your point?--[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 04:29, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Nothing but speculation, although Senju DNA is confirmed to enhance Kotoamatsukami.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 05:43, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Confirmed to:
 
* boost chakra reserves
 
* shorten the cooldown of Kotoamatsukami
 
* prolongs life or something
 
* allows the usage of "complete" Izanagi
 
But these might be unique to Hashirama's cells/DNA--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:50, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Doubt it's unique to Hashirama. People are just greedy and covet the Wood Release. But when dwas it said that it prolonged life O.o?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:29, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
When it was thought that Tobi is Madara, Tsunade commented on "no wonders he lives to this day due to Hashi stuff" and "being immortal" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:35, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Oh. That's the one I was thinking. Was wondering if there were more.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:43, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I think we should begin adding sections to the clan pages about their genetics. Like kekkei genkai(e.g. [[Sharingan]], [[Kurama Clan's Kekkei Genkai]], [[Shikotsumyaku]] , passive abilities(e.g. [[Sage Transformation]]), unique attributes(e.g. high [[chakra]], high stamina). [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 18:48, August 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Trivia ==
 
 
Since Nagato is from the senju lineage, then its worth saying that after implanting uchiha dna then he is able to acquire the rinnegan. Any disagreements? --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 11:37, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Madara gave his Rinnegan to Nagato.— {{User:UltimateSupreme/SigCode|11:40 UTC|Thursday|1 November 2012}}
 
 
== disappearance of Senju speculation? ==
 
 
I think the last part shouldn't be there, such thing hasn't been even hinted upon, it's speculative. Just because no Senju have been introduced in current events doesn't mean there are none. Remember, we didn't see any other Sarutobi other than Hiruzen, Asuma and Konohamaru till, well, pretty much now, the 4th Shinobi World War. Konoha was found 65 years ago. It's more than likely some Senju from Hashirama's time are still alive, or at least their children.
 
Unless Madara did "kill all Senju in an instant no jutsu" this "conspiracy" is more than ridiculous. Not to mention the theory of them separating into many smaller clans is also completely out of play, since all prominent clans had existed prior to founding of the village... Chouji being the 16th generation of Akimichi, one generation is circa 20 years, so they exist for AT LEAST 300 years, and since Yamanaka and Nara are close to them, so do they, Hyuga are one of the eldest and noble and definitely not directly related to Senju (since I don't remember any Senju with white eyes), Uchiha, another noble clan were their rivals, Aburame the third noble are out of question and so are Sarutobi, this leaves Inuzuka being their possible descend 0_o
 
 
So unless Senju = Mayans, it should be removed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:02, February 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Blood wise they could still be there, the paragraph points out only the absence of people bearing the Senju name. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:12, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Do not blood relatives make up a clan? The part about disbanding should be removed, since when we list possibilities and probabilities? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, right? And Tsunade's last name is being hinted to be Senju progressively. I remember people speculating on how Konohamaru is now the sole survivor of Sarutobi Clan "_" (not counting unborn child) Hashirama wanted peace, it's possible Senju Clan ceased being militant completely and settled into a civil lifestyle. That doesn't mean they renamed themselves tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:41, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I always thought that was something that was mentioned in a databook or something. Any way, speculation was removed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:56, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Add Kawarama, Senju Father and Itama on the infobox.[[Special:Contributions/186.204.178.25|186.204.178.25]] ([[User talk:186.204.178.25|talk]]) 13:17, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Add Kawarama, Senju Father and Itama on the infobox.186.204.178.25 (talk) 13:17, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

They're there, you probably have an old version of the page in your cache. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:41, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Senju Clan Symbol Edit

Ok, I think I may have found what the Senju Clan's symbol is based off of. I think it's a Vajra[1]. (the Wikipedia page doesn't really show it, so here's another link that shows it a bit better [2]) What do you guys think? --Soren7550 (talk) 16:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

It does have a similarity. I'll write up something. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:49, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Wood release is very rare among the clan Edit

Ok, I believe that Wood Release may be their Kekkei genkai but not all Senju display the release, so far Hashirama is the only known Senju to display this Kekkei genkai. Because of the Kekkei genkai only occurring in one known Shinobi, it would be safe to infer that this Kekkei genkai is an autosomal recessive trait, meaning it is a rare occurring trait.

I did not ever state that it is not their Kekkei genkai, I am only saying that it is autosomal dominant, meaning it is a very rare occurring trait like the blue people of Kentucky. Allow me to edit it and put my trivia thing back so we can allow this wiki to be as accurate as possible.

Also my Travia thing is supported by the fact that Tsunada and Tobimaru lacks the wood release.Csfranklin (talk) 22:26, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hashirama was merely the only one to awaken it. There's no need to speculate on why or how. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:33, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

If it was as simple as awakening it then Tsunada would've done so when she was literally cut in half. You see, Autsomal recessive wouldn't quite mean only Hiroshima carries the bloodline but it would mean he would be the only one that displays the ability. Kekkei Genkai are inherited their blood and what I am telling you is the science if understanding and identifying genes that are passed down by parents, because if this is a Kekkei genkai it would've been passed down by blood which supports my statement, the wood release is a Kekkei genkai and in their blood but not all display this technique, some just carry it in their genes unknowlingly. Csfranklin (talk) 22:45, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Tobimaru is a hawk, not a Senju Clan member--Elveonora (talk) 22:35, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

I meant Tobirama...Csfranklin (talk) 22:47, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

You aren't telling us anything we didn't know--Elveonora (talk) 23:03, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

Apparently you hadn't known because you removed my trivia question.Csfranklin (talk) 23:08, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

As someone who has had a discipline of genetics at college-level, I'm more aware than how genetics work than the average person, and I can tell you that there's no point in saying why no other Senju has displayed it, as there could be any number of reasons. Just because something is genetic, it doesn't mean it's automatically inheritable in one way or another. You're looking at genotype only, and there's a whole other layer called epigenetics, not to mention phenotypes. All things that become inheritable begin somewhere. Hashirama was merely the first one to have a genetic sequence allowing for that combination, and none of his descendants inherited it. Simple as that. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:10, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

You realize Phenotypes are part of Genotypes which makes it up... Like I've been saying, the genotype is Autosomal recessive because the PHENOTYPES are inherited that way. What country are you in? That's only Highschool level where in America. epigenetics is the study of changes in phenotype caused by mechanisms other than changes in the underlying DNA sequence, some of which are heritable. This further supports what I previously typed.Csfranklin (talk) 00:58, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Phenotype is, in its plainest definition, the set of the individual's genotype added to environmental aspects of which act and interact with it. You really want me to discuss epigenetic changes like in-utero hormonal shifts increasing the translational output of genes, or how differences in acetylation and methylation increases affinity to transcription factors? My point is, it doesn't matter why Hashirama is the only one to have Wood Release, it only matters that he is. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:09, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Lol, I would like to bring to your attention that you're very wrong, Phenotypes are what makes up a genotype, two of which makes a complete genotype. My point is that you're wrong and won't accept reason, you never let anyone make changes to the wiki because you have nothing better to do then try to correct people when yourself are wrong.Accept your wrongness. Csfranklin (talk) 23:28, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Can you two please respect that some of us in here are mortals as well? As dumb as I feel, I have no idea what the two of you are arguing about.--Elveonora (talk) 12:19, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Know that you are not alone in this Elveonora. Any way, I don't think this is something that needs to be mentioned in the article. The way I understand the Senju worked, you could have every tenth person wielding a kekkei genkai that was unique to them, because they were the clan of a thousand skills. That doesn't make the ability any less Senju related/owned. Apart from that I feel like these are the real-world things that will just fly over people's heads. Granted it's a good explanation, but I doubt even Kishimoto was thinking along these lines at all. The furthest he's gone is calling Wood Release a hidenjutsu.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 12:45, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Elveonora... And Cerez, if it was just a Hiden technique then it would've have been passed on to the clones.Csfranklin (talk) 15:35, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Drop the "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" attitude. It is a unique technique to Hashirama, nobody else in his clan has ever shown any signs of having it. We don't care about reality and what is meant to happen since this is just a fictional series and Kishi-sensei decides the storyline. Simply put, Kishi has decided that only Hashirama is to have the Wood Release in his clan, with others getting it from DNA injections, so we can't go against what he's decided and put speculation in the article. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:42, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

So, we should remove the Kekkei genkai from the clan's page because that is merely speculation. Yamato and the Zetsu clones all use Wood Release and have the exact same DNA as him, meaning it's his DNA that is unique and he had a rare Kekkei genkai.Csfranklin (talk) 15:57, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

If you look up anywhere, it'll say that phenotype is the product of the genotype, the environment, and the genotype-environment interactions. And for the last time, Wood Release is only listed as their kekkei genkai because Wood Release became highly associated with the clan, so much they became known as "Senju Clan of the Forest". If any other clan became highly associated with a kekkei genkai, despite only one person having it, said kekkei genkai would be listed in the clan's page as well.Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:13, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

I'm guessing you mean wouldn't in which case, you might be wrong. There are a couple cases where the hidenjutsu possessed by some may be genetic-based. Any way, that is not what I meant. Within the Senju, because of the fact that they were not a typical clan i.e. one skill common amongst all members you could've had ten different kekkei genkai unique to different people rather than being common. So that means people could've had X Release, Y Release, Z Release, amongst other non-nature transformation based abilities which would all be listed as kekkei genkai of the clan. As I said before, you've gone outside the realm of relevant out-of-world trivia, to something that will only confuse of disinterest people, so I don't think it's necessary to mention at all.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:20, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Wood Release is a mutation unique to Hashirama, and since he was a member of the Senju Clan, it's being listed as their KKG. Kimimaro was also the only one with creepy bones, yet it's listed as Kaguya KKG, that's the only and simplified reason, no genetics to justify or disprove it are needed.--Elveonora (talk) 20:27, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Omibender idk where you learnt that at but you're clearly wrong, the genotype is back up of two Phenotypes and anything else you would say is completely wrong. You could looked it up anywhere and you will discover that the genotype is made up of two phenotype. Also, it was stated that most of the Kaguya clan did have it and not just Kimimaro. Even the Kaguya clan Kekkei genkai is genetics since it is inherited through the blood, remember Kekkei genkai is translated to "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "blood limit", both of which involve blood. Did you know that in a few decades we may be able to replicate the Kaguya clan Kekkei genkai with rl people? We've already had a dog's head live without a body for a long time until the mechine got turned off. We even cloned sheep and body parts so Zetsu clones is already almost possible.Csfranklin (talk) 04:21, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

You should separate your hobbies involving real-life laws and chemistry from those of fiction.--Elveonora (talk) 12:16, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

No Csfranklin, you're wrong. Either you're confusing phenotype for something else, or you were taught it wrong. Here are results that show up in the three first pages of a Google search for "phenotype", all agreeing with me, and disagreeing with you: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:12, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Come on Omni, it's irrelevant in this case who is right/wrong, no need to show off who is the wiser :) the page is being protected anyway, right? So no more adding of that trivia--Elveonora (talk) 18:10, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

The main argument was always the moniker the clan got out of it, we would keep it regardless, but being told off by someone using a simple concept he or she clearly does not grasp and that I do, that is beyond me. Go troll someone else. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:38, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Omni you're such an idiot, all your links just prove you wrong. Unless you cannot understand English or just a plan retard you should know that the links provide the information that prove me right and you wrong. Phenotypes are what makes the Genotypes. Idiot, go back to Highschool.Csfranklin (talk) 14:12, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

That'll do Csfranklin, that'll do. It's apparent that despite the fact that we've tried to even explain to you in-universe why Wood Release would be listed, your intelligence that reign far superior to ours won't allow you to comprehend the workings of our less developed brains.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:18, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Cerez, your not an idiot and I do believe your brain is equals to all others, but the only reason I continued this is because he tried proving me wrong in a known fact. He was wrong in what Phenotypes were and he tried supporting his false information by links which further proved me to be right. I'm also sick of Omni thinking he is soul power in this wiki and nobody else can do anything.Csfranklin (talk) 14:24, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

What you are saying is completely off-topic. Well, what was the point of this topic in the first place?--~ UltimateSupreme 14:25, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
He wanted in not so few words to note that Wood Release was unique to Hashirama despite the fact that it was a kekkei genkai. Tried to explain that's how the Senju rolled, like Russian Roulette, and then there was a bit about geno/phenotypes which as I said before is too advanced and out of universe to hold any meaning to people.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:29, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
I want to note the rareness if wood release and that it is a Kekkei genkai but a rare one because it was a recessive trait. Kishimoto is a pretty smart man, probably smarter then anyone of us here, I have complete faith that he thinks of all the details before making a character's DNA be cloned and retain their advanced release. No matter what the Release is blood related but only one known Senju has had it.Csfranklin (talk) 14:36, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, got it. Perhaps we could just enter a little sentence saying that: Hashirama is the only known Senju to have awakened the Wood Release.--~ UltimateSupreme 14:43, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that would be surfice, I guess... Sorry the whole discussion I just don't take kindly to people claiming the facts I speak, in this case Phenotyoed being what makes up Genotypes, are wrong. When he presented links to try to prove me wrong they further proved me right. Btw, I thought there was a rule against links to other sites in this wiki? Csfranklin (talk) 14:52, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

No, to scanlation sides and other illegal stuff, there's nothing wrong with google search. EDIT: also you have called Omni an uneducated retard, that's personal. I don't know a sh** about this biology stuff u two are talking about, am I an uneducated retard too? Sorry for not everyone being a professor of genetics--Elveonora (talk) 15:10, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

No, because you didn't have a long discussion with me about something you were wrong about.Csfranklin (talk) 18:23, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Still, you can;t come here and attack Omnibender like that and expect it to go down well. Apart from that it is already mentioned as clear as day that Hashirama is the only one to have the ability: "The most famous member of the clan was Hashirama Senju, whose unique Wood Release ninjutsu that gave the clan the nickname the Senju clan of the forest (森の千手一族, Mori no Senju Ichizoku)". The Wood Release article also makes this clear.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:54, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
Omni was the one that attacked me, he attacks everyone and automatically assumes he is right even though he was wrong. It is impossible for Wood release to be an advanced nature because it was transered to the Zetsu clones and Yamoto using his DNA. The Kishimoto is odd, he sometimes has characters say things that are debatable to one another, there is no telling after or not it gained it's nickname because if Hashirama or already had it. The Senju clan is based off a rl clan btw.Csfranklin (talk) 01:32, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
As far as I can see, no-one here has said Omnibender was right because I at least, have very limited knowledge of genetics. What I do have though is a pretty decent knowledge of Naruto while I'm not too sure you completely understand the series. Basic natures are fire, wind, water, earth, and lightning. Advanced natures are created from using two or more of these natures simultaneously, creating a unique nature. That being said, Wood Release is an advanced nature transformation because it used earth and water to create vegetation. The ability to combine basic nature transformations and use them simultaneously is called a bloodline limit or kekkei genkai, which is why it was passed on to Hashirama's genetic clones and Yamato who had his DNA rewritten by Hashirama's. Not because they were not passed down to other Senju (as far as we know because to be honest, Tsunade is the only person who stated that she did not inherit the ability) does not make it any less an advanced nature transformation or kekkei genkai. The same holds true for the Fourth Kazekage and Magnet Release, none of his children inherited the kekkei genkai to out knowledge. As for Senju being based off a real life clan, to my knowledge that has never been said.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 01:53, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Compromise was reached. Everybody can move on with their lives now. ~SnapperTo 02:08, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
Kinda pointless to add it to the trivia, when it's already mentioned in the middle of the article, as Cerez has already rightly mentioned. Csfranklin, I've seen the trend with you. In every discussion I've seen you take part so far (this is the third), you either argue for something that goes against everything established in the manga (Minato discussion), or you argue for something that is outright wrong (Uzumaki mask temple location), despite the chapter being perfectly clear about it. Your misunderstanding of how an advanced nature is composed of two basic ones shows how poor of a grasp you have over the manga. Can't say I look forward to any other topic you either start or take part into in the future. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:51, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Call me a speculator, but I believe that perhaps not just Hashirama possesses Wood Release, he might be it's only legit user. But I doubt (unless such was stated) that advanced nature KKG users are born with the knowledge as how to perform the two natures that make it up. In other words, I believe Hashirama had to learn Water and Earth releases before he discovered that he could combine them and use Wood. Perhaps even Tobirama has it, he just simply knows not how to transform the nature of his chakra into earth's for it to be possible. For Zetsu, they are wood release creation, it's part of their beings. Orochimaru thought all his hash-dosed children to have died a failure, meaning that Yamato didn't show the power right after the experiment was done. Danzo is questionable, perhaps he knew water and earth, not just wind. A little more about Hashirama, during the flashbacks as a child, there's not even a hint of anyone being aware that he is a Pinocchio, nor himself shows such. His father or brothers weren't like: "omg, ur unique, u must be protected at all costs, we will use ur power to take down the uchiha" etc. meaning it has likely manifested during his later years or he actually wasn't the only Senju with it and they were well aware about their power--Elveonora (talk) 11:18, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

As for the off-topic argument regarding phenotype and genotype: Omni is correct, and this coming from a holder of a degree in biology, concentration in physiology, having had plenty of genetics classes to obtain said degree. Phenotype is, in laymen terms, the physical sign of the genotype (genotype being the code that makes the phenotype -- the instructions that can lead to a phenotype; such as AAaa of a genotype leading to, say, brown eyes (phenotype), but so does AAAa (Mindful these are not the actual genotypes) resulting in two genotpes making up the same phenotype). The links Omni provided only support his case and not the opposite; in fact the wiki link providedd alone should suffice. If you do wish to further argue the point, I can pull out one of my old genetics text books from uni and take a picture of it, highlighting the portions. Or take Stanford University's link and review it. Pheno/Geno(type)

As for the on-topic: There is nothing wrong with changing the information to reflect that Hashirama is the only known user to either have or to have awakened Wood Release. But until more information is provided or release, we shoudl err' on the side of caution and simply state Hashirama is the only known user, as the latter suggests that others have it yet simply have not awakened it. And while it is possible to have a KKG such as that in several people, it also requires (to my knowlege, though I may be wrong) for the person to have an affinity of both elements; something where it cannot be learned. But as it stands, the wiki's pages already reflect that. I know others have concluded the discussion, but I felt the need to agree to further support the ideas presented. --98.101.165.89 (talk) 12:42, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

98.101.165.89 I was the one saying it the phenotype is the physical sign of the genotype... Like a female with the genotype of AA mates with a mlke that has aa, they offspring will have Aa. The Phenotypes A and a. Csfranklin (talk) 14:51, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Abilities Edit

Could someone make a section on their abilities.--Shotcolla (talk) 20:16, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Already mentioned in the article. Read the second paragraph in the History section.Umishiru (talk) 20:29, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Mito a Member? Edit

Why is Mito listed as a member of the Senju Clan? If its because she was married to Hashirama, shouldn't it be noted she's only a "Senju" by marriage?--The Zeitgeist (talk) 14:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's because she's married into the clan. Don't think that annotations work with the clan parameter, but I think most people can reasonable assume her listing as a Senju is through marriage. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:45, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
The infobox isn't the end all of the article. If you even see that there and read the article, you would realise why she's listed as a Senju.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:49, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
Good point.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 16:53, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

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