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== Susanoo Chidori? ==
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Considering what we did in making the article [[Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi]], should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
<span class="warningmessage">QUESTIONS REGARDING TOPICS ALREADY IN THE TALK PAGE OR ITS ARCHIVES <strong>WILL BE REMOVED</strong>, ALONG WITH THE REPLIES TO IT</span>
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== another part 2 pic discussion ==
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Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in ''Shippūden'' episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (''Madara'' and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Concerning the Mangekyō Sharingan section ==
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:I found the [[:File:Sasuke headshot.png|image]] and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::{{Support}} The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
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:::::Also, can people '''''stop''''' changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. '''Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki.''' --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
As I said in the summary of it's edit before: ''"Paragraphs and images—especially his first final Susanoo—were placed in that manner to form some semblance of event order. Topics are being mentioned prior to their descriptions."'' It comes off as a bit jumbled, which is why I tried to re-arrange it the way I did. Concerning the image of Sasuke's final Susanoo, I found it more appropriate to display his first rendition, as it was not only mentioned prior to the the summary of his Eternal Mangekyō, but because there's already a fine example of his Eternal Mangekyō version present in the [[Sasuke Uchiha#Shinobi World War Arc|War Arc]] section.
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So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Lots of quips like that throughout the article, but I was focusing on those present in his Dōjutsu section, as that interests me most... Also, slightly unrelated, but when using the term ''Sannin'', it should be used to describe all three of them, not individually. —[[User:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] <sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]]「[[User Talk:SaiST|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/SaiST|contrib]]」</sup> 08:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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== natural energy ==
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He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:He can't. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::He commented on it, so he can, or not?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That was Naruto. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Why would Naruto be surprised?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Why wouldn't he? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
:... Er, to clarify: I would simply like to re-instate the format for the Mangekyō Sharingan section as it was in this revision: [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sasuke_Uchiha?oldid=803821] ... Any input, please? [[User:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] <sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]]「[[User Talk:SaiST|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/SaiST|contrib]]」</sup> 16:55, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
::Except here's the thing...we've organized the section in a way that all three techniques have their own ''sub-section'' if you will, displaying the development of each technique...in regards to Sasuke's final Susanoo...it's most complete version of the technique shown so far, which is why it's on display.
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:I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
::Also the term Sannin, defines two things...group name and an unofficial rank. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 17:56, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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::I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::The detail of each technique's development was left intact in my revision. Only the changes affected by the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan were partitioned to it's portion of the section. In my opinion, it comes off more coherent to:
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@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:::*Relay the abilities of his Mangekyō Sharingan.
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:Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:::*How they affected him.
 
:::*And how his acquisition of the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan changed '''any''' of that.
 
:::It serves to better distinguish his own eyes' power, from what is changed, or gained from exchanging them for Itachi's... Which is also part of the reason I wish to leave the image of Sasuke's older final Susanoo intact; the other part being that it is so underexposed that many are under the impression that Sasuke's Susanoo didn't gain the ability to conjure up Amaterasu's black flames '''until''' he took Itachi's eyes. It is, ultimately, a very small matter, but it still bugs the heck out of me. :P
 
   
:::And ''"Sannin"'' is never used to identify Jiraiya, Orochimaru, or Tsunade individually. Jiraiya, of course, is referred to as ''"S'''e'''nnin"'', which many fans have mixed up with the term coined for all three of the former teammates for ''years''... —[[User:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] <sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]]「[[User Talk:SaiST|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/SaiST|contrib]]」</sup> 18:46, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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==Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang Release==
   
Your revision leaves it too far spread to me...and likely most of the other users view it better like it is:
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Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.
:*Denoting the look of the Mangekyo
 
:*Explaning the drawbacks.
 
:*Displaying each technique and their according development.
 
   
Sennin is a translation of Sage, which both Jiraiya and Oro are...there is no confusion in that. And yes it is used to identify them, since it was the term that marked their rise to battle fame as shinobi. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 23:06, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-[[User:World Master|World Master]] ([[User talk:World Master|talk]]) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:Na. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::Mangastream says an entirely different thing--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
: Arguing over the terms used is pointless. The reason he is referred to as "''Sannin''" is because he is one of the three. It doesn't matter if they were ever referred to individually as such, though I recall on numerous occasions him being referred to as "one of the three Sannin". Secondly, your revisions are far too spread. It goes into unnecessary detail about the appearance of the Mangekyō, when only a basic, standard description is needed, which is what we have, followed by how the Mangekyō developed; its drawbacks, the techniques Sasuke developed or learned, and what he can do with them. The current revision is detailed just enough to give us an idea on what he can do with it, without it becoming long winded. We don't need to write a book on Sasuke's Mangekyō, just give readers a general idea on what he can do with it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:19, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
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== Preta Path? ==
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Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:He didn't absorb it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
::Ten Tailed Fox, compared to the current revision, my own possessed approximately 400 less characters. Initially, only around 200 characters were added from my attempted rehaul of the section. The ''"book"'', as you say, was already there; my intention was only to rearrange it's contents to avoid the sporadic mention of abilities, and more coincide with the order of events. With that in mind, I'm curious as to why my summary came off as so long winded to you.
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Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
::''"Sannin"'' = ''"Three Nin"''. If you saw any translations depicting any one of them as '''a''' Sannin, or ''"one of the '''three''' Sannin"'', they would be inaccurate. The point of my bringing up ''"S'''e'''nnin"'', which it seems Darksusanoo missed, is that the usage of both terms have been—and are '''still''' being mixed up; which is part of the problem. Jiraiya(and Orochimaru) may be '''a''' Sennin, but he is not '''a''' Sannin. It's a very simple matter, which is why I couldn't help but scratch my head when the correction was reverted. [[User:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] <sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]]「[[User Talk:SaiST|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/SaiST|contrib]]」</sup> 03:03, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
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It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between [[Preta Path]] and [[Blocking Technique Absorption Seal]]? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike [[Deva Path|Deva]] and [[Asura Path]]s with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::From the technique's description on this wiki: ''"Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."''... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another '''type''' of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
::: Oh boy, I can see this is going to be a long one. *sigh* Look, the translations aren't wrong, and you're making a big deal out of something that shouldn't be. There are three Sannin, which indeed means "Three Ninja". Orochimrau, Tsunade, and Jiraiya. Any one of those three are still a Sannin. They have always been referred to as such. When Jiraiya was introduced (I have the Viz, I have read the scanalations, and I'm sure we still have ShonenSuki's translation of the RAW Japanese around here somewhere), he is introduced as one of the "three Sannin". So is Tsunade, at one point in time, and I believe even Orochimaru was referred to as "a Sannin". We won't change the term because it means "Three Ninja". It could mean "Ten-Million Ninja" for all we care. It is the name of a group, as well as the title of its three members. Therefore, they are "Sannin", both collectively and individually. I'll say it again, arguing over a specific term gets us nowhere. It doesn't matter if its grammatically correct or not, that is how the series refers to them, that is how the fans refer to them, and that is how ''we'' refer to them. Its as simple as that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:09, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
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I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
:::: '''Additionally''': The reason your edit seems long winded to me is that most of it was taking time to describe the Mangekyō Sharingan's shape, which I believe, if I remember the Undo correctly, you called an "atom symbol", which is actually less descriptive and more speculative than what we have now. Also, I'm not disputing the fact that your edit was done to make an improvement, but the way we have it now is fine. It lays it out in a flowing order, which is easy to understand, isn't convoluted, and does exactly what the section is intended to do; describe Sasuke's ability. The phrase, "''If it ain't broken, don't fix it''" comes to mind. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:14, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Very well. My grammar police badge seethes, but you can consider the Sannin matter dropped. Same with the revision, though I'd just like to say that, along with a few other extraneous details, I '''did''' omit the mention of his Mangekyō Sharingan's atom resemblance after that Undo; it was something I placed in the description of it's [[Mangekyō Sharingan#Sasuke Uchiha|dedicated article]] beforehand, and decided it would be better left there. Anyways, thank you both for taking the time to explain your side of things. I shall now proceed to find a corner for myself to fiercely pout in. >:I —[[User:SaiST|'''SaiST''']] <sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px]]「[[User Talk:SaiST|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/SaiST|contrib]]」</sup> 14:10, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the [[Preta Path (character)|Preta Path corpse]] and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.
   
== Sasuke's Age ==
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'''Chapters / Episodes'''
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#Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
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#Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
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#Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
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#Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
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#Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
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#Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
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#Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
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#Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
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#Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)
   
I know 643 is hasn't been added to the wikia yet, but when it is should we change Sasuke's age in Part II to 15-17? Naruto said he was 16 during his fight with Pain, and Obito said tomorrow in 643 is Naruto's birthday, meaning Naruto will be turning 17 tomorrow. If that is the case, Sasuke, who was born before him, should be 17 already right? [[User:Omega64|Omega64]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 06:44, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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'''Summary'''
:Yes that is true but "Do not add new information if the manga chapter is not fully released yet." So yes as you thought, we should wait until the chaoter is fully released and added to the wiki. {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 07:05, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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#Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's [[Sage Art: Goemon]]. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
::We should update ages of all characters with known birthdays using Naruto's birthday as a template--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:41, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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#Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's [[Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan]] with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
:::But we cannot add it if the chapter in which Naruto's birthday is has not been fully released yet. {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 12:45, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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#Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's [[Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet]]. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the ''Color Edition'' lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
::::I mean once it's out. I brought this up many times but some people oppose for whatever senile reason they have. If we know x character has birthday 10th October and has another birthday, we know EVERY SINGLE character born before the date has aged as well.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:01, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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#Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
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#Absorbs Naruto's [[Wind Release: Rasenshuriken]]. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken ([[Shadow Clone Technique]] and [[Transformation Technique]]). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his [[Lariat]]. He says "''Preta Path.''" No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
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#Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's [[Rasengan]]. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
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#Madara absorbs Sasuke's [[Amaterasu]]. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's [[Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal]] with his [[Susanoo]] soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
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#Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)
   
That would be nearly everyone. Hinata, Lee, Sai and some others excluded. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:12, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?
:Sounds like lots of work for sure, but leaving it not-updated will cause trouble. Like people will think there's more age difference between Naruto and x other character, if we change his to 17 but keep everyone else' the same--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:25, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I still don't know if it's a good idea to give ages without databook sources, though. :/ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:26, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I don't know why it shouldn't be while we know it's correct. We may be waiting for 4th databook to come out after another timeskip for all we know or never.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:31, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Because it's against me idea of what should be added to an article and what should not. But on the other hand, it's logical to add it, since Naruto's birthday is Year 0 and even my whole timeline is based on it... How old was Neji when he died? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:36, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::: I'm of the same mind as Seen for one reason. ''If'' we change ''everyone's'' ages and then, the databook comes out and somehow we're wrong, then, not only have we been misinforming the users/readers, as you seem to be so concerned of doing now, Elve-kun, but we also have to go back and change them all over again. To me, it makes more sense to use databooks (sans, obviously, Naruto whom "tomorrow" in the manga, we know for sure he's 17) because they give you a straight up age. [Character name] is [this many years old]. There will be no need for us to guess, assume, hope, etc. And a databook is likely to come out. Its not like Kishi is just gonna make three and then go "lol, nope. They're gonna have to suffer through without this one." He'll at least make one more. Since it seems the manga is wrapping up, he may be waiting until closer to the end, or after the end to wrap things up and tie up any remaining loose endings. Then we'd have everyone's definite, final ages. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 13:38, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
::::There's no way for us to be wrong though, unless Kishimoto has changed birth dates of hundreds of characters. This is children logic and math here, no way to burn ourselves. The thing is, not updating their ages is misinforming as well. Sasuke is older than Naruto, but if we update just the latter's, that will make us lying that it's the other way around. Goes for everyone, let's say Naruto was 3 years older than x character according to 3rd databook, yet a year later, he is suddenly 5 years older, right, that's not misinforming and purposely leaving out information--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:46, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
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* barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
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* no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s
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Just my opinion--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him '''because''' he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
   
:::: Elve, I'm saying its going to make for one big heck of a headache if we just start changing ages. Especially for these anons, like the one on Itachi's page, that think the ages are wrong already. Now all of a sudden we're trying to guess ages, and pray to God we're right, when we only know Sasuke and Naruto for sure (I'll give you Sasuke since we saw him as infant prior to Naruto's birth). It would make more sense to go off a concrete source, like a databook, rather than change everyone's ages and pray to all that is good and holy that we did something right. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 13:53, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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::Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Just as they ''"vanished"'' when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against '''immediately''' after? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
"tear drop" I'm not saying otherwise, we can go by 3rd databook's ages and just add 1 year to everyone born prior to October 10--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:56, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Bump, this one seriously needs concludin' --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:38, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sage ==
   
::I rather comment on this one than the other one. Since Kishimoto isn't that good with math, I believed he mentioned that, maybe the characters' ages are 16 - 17 instead of 15 - 16. If we put 15 - 17, than those just joining/visiting the wiki, will be confused and believe that their is another timeskip that we aren't covering. Maybe we could put "16 - 17." --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 18:38, August 24, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
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So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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: The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Age ==
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After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already [http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sasuke_Uchiha&diff=944867&oldid=944865 here in this edit]... :P • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
According to chapter 643, Naruto's birthday is the next day. Since Sasuke is a few months older than Naruto, isn't Sasuke already 17? --''Kakashi Namikaze'' (retired) - [[User talk:Kakashi Namikaze|talk]] 17:20, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Yes.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:53, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
::So should it be added? I will go ahead and do it. And shouldn't Naruto's be added if this is the case, seeming as the whole chapter is now out. {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 18:19, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::What and why?''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 18:23, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Well we now know Sasuke and Naruto are 17 according to this chapter... Therefore should it be added to the infobox? {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 18:32, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::More precisely, we know it's October 10th in Narutoverse.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:41, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Same thing. {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 19:09, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Unless we're only getting the age from databooks, I see no problem with adding it. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:#3EB489;">Joshbl</span>]][[User:Joshbl56|<span style="color:#4BD8A5;">56</span>]] 20:21, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
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Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
: Agreed as to Naruto and Sasuke; but only when the chapter comes out for the "next day" in the manga world. As currently, its the night of October 9th; so only Sasuke is 17. Any other characters, leave their ages alone until a databook comes out. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:54, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Technically, knowing the date and the age of one character, it does mean he can stipulate the age of some other characters. Pretty much every one from Naruto's year can have their age updated if necessary, every person who we know the age difference from Naruto and the birthday can have it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:47, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::^That is true. Just a quick check shows that most of the rookie 9 and team Guy could have their age updated if we do this. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:#3EB489;">Joshbl</span>]][[User:Joshbl56|<span style="color:#4BD8A5;">56</span>]] 23:45, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::: @Omni: I know that. I'm not saying Elve is wrong, I actually agree that several characters have aged. I'm just ''really'' wanting to be cautious about tampering with ages. Especially since lately, the number of anon we've had around here trying to change ages (Itachi's being prime example) based of some absurd forum conjecture has been high lately and its likely to start those debates all over again. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:38, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::You're right. The thing is, I raised Sasuke in particular because Kushina's flashback confirmed that Sasuke was born before Naruto, so that is a given. But consistency too is important. --[[User:Kakashi Namikaze|Kakashi Namikaze]] - [[User talk:Kakashi Namikaze|talk]] 14:11, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
So when the chapter comes out are they going to be alot more edits dones to different characters apart from the konoha 11 then? --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 09:45, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Bump--[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 17:59, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Naruto's age, obviously, wont change until ''that'' entire chapter comes out. But Sasuke has already aged, so don't see a reason as to why his age cannot be changed.''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:51, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Should we put 16-17 instead 15-17? --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 17:57, August 25, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
::::No. 15-17 means he was 15 during his first appearance in Part II. and two years have passed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:42, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Fair enough. Than that means everyone from Jan 1st - Oct. 9th has aged. :P --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 18:55, August 25, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
   
Gaara, Naruto and Sakura were 15 when shippuden started, each born january, march and october. So that means EVERYONE was a younger age than databook 3 ages except Konohamaru, Lee, Sai, and Hinata were even younger than the Herobooks ages. It has been roughly 1.6 years since Shippuden started [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:16, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
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Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Adding/Changing Images ==
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== Rinnegan ==
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Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi. I have two images from episode 326 that I would like to add to Sasuke Uchiha, but I can't for some reason. They are the anime versions of his New Susano'o and Eternal Mangekyo. Would someone help me out here please. --[[User:LokeTheBrave|LokeTheBrave]] ([[User talk:LokeTheBrave|talk]]) 15:18, August 22, 2013 (UTC)LokeTheBrave
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@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Those images have already been uploaded added to the page.... --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:01, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
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==Who keeps doing this?==
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Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted?
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[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
::Thats odd, I didn't see them when I checked earlier. Thanks though.--[[User:LokeTheBrave|LokeTheBrave]] ([[User talk:LokeTheBrave|talk]]) 16:16, August 22, 2013 (UTC)LokeTheBrave
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== Deactivated Rinnegan ==
   
== EMS image ==
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In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we wait for the movie itself to give us an answer? Scenes from Naruto movie trailers are ofter omitted/altered in the final product, and from what we've seen in the manga so far, Sasuke can't deactivate his Rinnengan, since he doesn't turn it of when he overuses it, when his chakra runs too low, or when he isn't fighting, while he does deactivate his (Mangekyou) Sharingan in all 3 of these cases. [[User:Patsoumas1995|Patsoumas1995]] ([[User talk:Patsoumas1995|talk]]) 21:03, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think it'd be better to use the manga photo until we have a better anime shot of his eye, wouldn't it? The old one shows the design up close, but now we have the same problem as the photo of Madara's Rinnegan, in that it isn't so much a photo of the eyes, but rather a photo of his face while he happens to have the eyes active. Thoughts? --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 18:42, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Stamina and endurance? ==
   
:I doubt a better shot is going to come up for some time yet. I'd say keep the anime image that's there and, if an alternative that shows the EMS better comes up, switch them out. Just how we switch out manga images when anime images become available that depict whatever. Plus, if people can't see the image clearly, they can just click it and view it in the lightbox. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:48, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Do you think the info about Sasuke's stamina and endurance should be part of his chakra and stamina section? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 02:55, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
::I would like to point out that having a "photo of the face with the eyes activated" is actually very good as a character article. If an image is needed for the design in their eye, then the overview page with it's gallery does nicely.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:01, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
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If you can word it in a way that sounds good then add it. If it gets deleted well then...i don't know what to tell you. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 03:04, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Not if you can barely see the eyes and it's mostly their face. The manga image was perfect because the panel it was ripped from was used in a similar manner to his Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan images. Simply having color isn't a good enough reason to change it imo, especially when the artwork on the anime photo is cheaply done and in my eyes at least, bad. [no pun intended]. But it's your call, I'm just saying the manga photo did it's job to show Sasuke's EMS, and did it better if what we're looking for is an actual photo of the eye itself and not a zoomed out photo of his face where you can barely see said eye unless you click on the image. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 20:10, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
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==Out of curiosity==
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Why has Sasuke been added as a Yin-Yang user?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 22:43, November 3, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:According to FF-Suzaku [[Thread:148141#308|here]], from what he got from the fourth databook, receiving Hagoromo's power directly from him grants Yin-Yang Release. In chapter 693, Hagoromo stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke the same amount of power. [[User_talk:FF-Suzaku#Hagoromo.27s_power_and_Yin-Yang|I asked]] FF-Suzaku about it and he said [[User_talk:WindStar7125#Re:Hagoromo.27s_power_and_Yin-Yang|it was logical]] that Sasuke is a Yin-Yang Release user due to those two stated facts. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:57, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't see a problem with the picture. I can see it just fine.--[[User:LokeTheBrave|LokeTheBrave]] ([[User talk:LokeTheBrave|talk]]) 21:39, August 22, 2013 (UTC)LokeTheBrave
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Also how come he has all the basic nature release transformation types in his infobox? Is it simply because he posses the Rinnegan? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 06:39, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
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: That was directly stated in data book. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 06:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
You could see Sasuke's Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan just fine before without enlarging the image. Even then, I'd still argue that the anime's depiction was sub-par. The prior image was also more fitting as a side-by-side comparison to Sasuke's old Mangekyō Sharingan. I also believe the prior manga image should be retained until we get a more appropriate image from teh anime. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 00:02, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
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What is the sentence in which it states that Sasuke possesses all five elements? Had he learned them due to Rinnegan?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 14:35, November 15, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
   
If we need an anime image that much couldn't we use the depiction of the scene from opening 12? I'm sure there's a creditless version and the artwork is superior to the episode counterpart. I'm not sure how it bodes for our policies but if that's not an option I agree, the manga image is better for now. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 02:40, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Missing ninja ==
:I don't think we'd be allowed to use that M4ND0N but it would be good if we could --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 17:58, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::What ROOT 根 said. Images taken from the credits do not count and are not allowed. The anime photo stays because, like TU3 said, the picture is fine for the page. An image showing the actual design of the EMS belongs on the MS page in the gallery. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:45, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Episode 326 ==
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Why is Sasuke still a missing ninja? He's been pardoned because of Kakashi & Naruto, so he should no longer be a missing ninja. [[User:Sin2|Sin2]] ([[User talk:Sin2|talk]]) 10:47, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because we cover the whole series at once?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:51, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe the animators did three things wrong in this episode. First mistake, I'm glad they finally showed Sasuke but he shouldn't have been shown until the end possibly because in the manga when Kishimoto finally revealed his Eternal Mangekyo it was at the end of a chapter. Second Mistake is that Sasuke shouldn't have left the hideout this early I don't think, it was much later in the manga when he left it. Final mistake, when he left the hideout his eyes were black, but in the original colored manga page they were Sharingan. Has anyone noticed these mistakes? If so comment and let me know if you agree or disagree. I really dislike the idea of the animators making such obvious mistakes like that. --[[User:LokeTheBrave|LokeTheBrave]] ([[User talk:LokeTheBrave|talk]]) 04:39, August 23, 2013 (UTC)LokeTheBrave
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[[User:Sin2|Sin2]] ([[User talk:Sin2|talk]]) 14:04, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
:Pretty much sure that [[Anime-Manga Differences|anime does not strictly follow manga]].''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:59, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Majority of it does though. Excluding the fillers. They never follow the manga.--[[User:LokeTheBrave|LokeTheBrave]] ([[User talk:LokeTheBrave|talk]]) 05:03, August 23, 2013 (UTC)LokeTheBrave
 
:::It's just simple animation errors... --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 07:50, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Dr. Snakes ==
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Shouldn't, "Missin-nin" be removed from Sasuke's infobox? He's no longer a missing ninja, so by removing, "Missing-nin" it'd improve Sasuke's article.{{Unsigned|Sin2}}
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:And Kakashi no longer has Sharingan, yet we don't remove that.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
In chapter 579, Itachi called Sasuke "Dr Snakes" when Sasuke described the attributes of a snake. Can this be added to the list of Sasuke's names and nicknames in the infobox?[[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 14:24, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Marriage? ==
:[[Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 6#Doctor snake|Find your answer here]]. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 16:03, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sasuke has Naruto's chakra ==
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Both his and Sakura's pages stated that they're married, I've read the last chapters and it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere and unlike all the other couples, he's frequently out of the village so it seems even more unlikely that they're married. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 10:42, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Naruto's transferred chakra powers up the Shinobi he gives. Sasuke's Susano'o grew legs and grew in size after receiving it. Look at Madara's Full bodied Complete Susano'o, its no where near the size of Sasuke's current one when he has the cloak.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 20:10, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
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But they have a daughter named Sarada. Sarada call Sakura "ママ" (means "mama" in Japanese). When Sarada said to Sakura that she and Boruto have some common like their relationship about thier father, she refers as Sasuke "パパ" (means "papa" in Japanese). So doesn't that means they are married? [[User:MichiyoChiba|MichiyoChiba]] ([[User talk:MichiyoChiba|talk]]) 12:10, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not really, just means that she knows who Sasuke is and he's visited enough that she kinda likes him, doesn't imply marriage in any way. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 20:13, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Well, i have to say that I agree with you. It manifested legs ''only'' after the power boost from Naruto's chakra. Look at the other cases: Kakashi and Kamui, Hinata and the Vacuum Palm, Nara clan and their Shadow Possession Techniques; Sasuke is no exception. We know his Susano'o evolves through hatred or intense feelings, but none of that was there. The only evidence we can point to is Naruto's chakra transfer. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 20:21, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
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This is stupid. Are we going to question whether or not Naruto and Hinata are married? There was no mention of it in the latest chapter either.--[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 20:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
: Right. I'll re-add it due to Naruto's chakra transfer.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 20:44, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
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: We're not questioning anything. They're married, they have a daughter, the end. I will not warn twice. We don't care if you don't like the end pairings or not. It is how it is. Edit: The Viz also translated Sarada's words to mean "father", so yes, she is Sasuke and Sakura's daughter. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
While its definitely true that naruto's chakra powers up techniques dramatically, its impossible to say whether or not sasuke can do it on his own. And no, sasuke's susanoo is smaller than madara's. Madara's is the size of kurama's original size, while sasuke's is the size of kurama now. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 08:30, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
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==Wood Release==
: Its his ''Complete Susanoo'' which is made larger by Naruto's Chakra compared to Madara's Complete Susanoo. You're confusing the stages of Susanoo, Madara's only gets as large as Kurama's size while in its Final form.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 08:32, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
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It is revealed in the epilogue that he eventually got the prothstetic hand which Sakura said was made from Hashirama cells which would give him access to wood release like Obito, Madara, Danzo, Zetsu, and Orochimaru.--[[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:30, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
   
==Susanoo Subsection==
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Same for Naruto too--[[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:33, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
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:In the epilogue, all I saw was his right hand. He lost his left. Correct me if I'm wrong. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 23:43, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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It says on his page that he now has a prothstetic hand but if it's not enough, what about Naruto being listed for wood release? We know he has a right hand and we know what it's made from.--[[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
   
I was wondering if we could add a subsection under the Mangekyo Sharingan section that is purely devoted to the Susanoo. I fighured this would be okay since the Susanoo is such an important part of his current fighting style. I also propose that we add the same subsection for Itachi and Madara as well. [[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 03:01, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
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If having Hashirama's DNA alone suffices for having Mokuton, then Sasuke should have been listed as a Nokuton user as soon as Kabuto injected him with Hashirama's cells. [[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]]) 15:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Susanoo itself is just a extension of his Mangekyo Sharingan. It doesn't need a whole section dedicated to it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:03, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:Exactly. How long after Orochimaru took over a Zetsu spore clone was he listed as a Mokuton user?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 15:55, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
== New stuff to add to page ==
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He has Hashirama's cells, therefore we should list him as a Mokuton user.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 14:07, November 15, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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: He did not have his prosthetic hand in the final chapter. Only his right hand was shown. --<span style="background:#FFA500">[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]])</span> 16:45, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:: He has the cells that Kabuto used to save him from death. Kabuto said that they were Hashi's cells. But I don't think we should add Wood Release to him OR Naruto, though I've already seen that Naruto is already added..--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 17:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I second that opinion. It's one thing to deny him the release because he hasn't shown it, but neither Orochimaru nor Naruto have used Wood Release abilities, and yet are still awarded the release. At the very least you should give Sasuke the release to keep up consistency if nothing else. [[User:Omega64|Omega64 狐]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 00:39, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
He can use senjutsu with ease, is using senjutsu susanoo, and can use senjutsu susanoo and normal susanoo with his normal sharingan, all of this as of chapter 648, can someone add to the page please? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:38, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Actually, according to official sketches of The Last, Sasuke does not have the prosthetic left arm. And in the epilogue, what was shown was his right arm and not his left.
: Technically its a Cursed Seal Susano'o and he's only doing it with Jugo's Sage Transformation helping him. He's not using true Senjutsu.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:40, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
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~ [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:Personally, it doesn't make any sense to list both Naruto and Orochimaru as having Wood Release, whether they have Hashirama's cells or not. However, as Omega said, Sasuke also gained Hashirama's cells when Kabuto was healing him- prosthetic hand or not, then he should also be listed as having Wood Release to keep up the consistency. Unless you would like to entertain the idea of removing Wood Release from Naruto and Orochimaru's articles... --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 02:37, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::I'm pretty sure a certain amount of Hashirama's cells must be needed to utilize Wood Release. Danzo and Naruto have an arm, Obito had his entire right side, Orochimaru is inhabiting the body of a White Zetsu, and Madara had the left side of his chest. --<span style="background:#FFA500">[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]])</span> 02:46, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::The amount of cells has nothing to do with it. Recall, Madara only had a sliver of meat from Hashirama and the cells from that were enough for him to not only get the Wood Release, but also Hashirama's Healing Power. Danzo and Obito also explained that the cells themselves will attempt to consume you, and it takes considerable willpower to resist and overpower the cells. Madara also explained that he has completely subjugated the cells, thus he is able to use the power on a similar level to Hashirama himself. [[User:Omega64|Omega64 狐]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 03:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::::You do have a valid point as always, Omega64. I also want to keep the consistency just like you do, so hopefully you'll be able to persuade Tau, Elve, TU3, and others.
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::::~ • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 04:06, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Even still it is still senjutsu and he used to it according to Oro. Also the susanoo usage with only 3 tomoe sharingan needs to be added regardless. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:42, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
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== Yin and Yang Release ==
: Wrong. Its the Cursed Seal, NOT Senjutsu. I think you're misinterpreting things.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:50, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
..the cursed seal is Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra.. in this case it is Jugo's Senjutsu Chakra... essentially making a Senjutsu Susanoo. I am not wrong and yes it IS cursed seal form.. but as I explained it is still Senjutu.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:56, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Is it safe to remove the manga only tags from Yin & Yang Release in Sasuke's nature type section in his infobox? The databook confirmed his ability to use them. Yin/Yang is a different issue.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 20:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:"Manga only," to my understanding, is a tag used when a certain ability has appeared in the manga and not the anime nor video game. So far, Sasuke gaining Hagoromo's power hasn't happened in the anime yet, therefore the "manga only" tag stays. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 20:41, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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::He is talking about Yin Release and Yang Release, not Yin-Yang Release. Genjutsu are Yin Release and Sasuke can use them since Part I. I believe. And for all we know, he could use Yang Release prior to Hagoromo dosage--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Since the Akimichi Clan's techniques were said to be Yang Release (expanding bodies and such), we could possibly say Sasuke has experience with Yang Release through his Cursed Seal of Heaven. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 06:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Jugo mixed his Senjutsu chakra with Sasuke's Susanoo, that's all. Sasuke ain't using any Senjutsu--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:35, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
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== Chakra ==
   
Susanoo essentially is made of Sasuke's Chakra though right? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:56, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe someone can get a picture of Sasuke undo Danzo's seal with his chakra? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 00:17, November 18, 2014 (UTC)
:That's what Susanoo is, physical manifestation of chakra/user's avatar/chakra exoskeleton whatever you name it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:07, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sasuke himself is not using anything with natural energy or senjutsu chakra. Jūgo is the one adding it to Sasuke's technique. Think collaboration jutsu. This is no different from Tsunade giving Ōnoki tons of chakra for massive Dust Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:25, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Ok now what about the other thing I mentioned, the fact he is using Susanoo without Mangekyo Sharingan. He is only using 3 tomoe sharingan right now. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:22, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Likely drawing error, since in earlier panels it's EMS. May not be as well, since it did happen before--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:36, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Shouldn't use his use of the Senjutsu Susanoo then be listed among his collaboration techniques, after all, it is a combination of his own technique (Susanoo) and Jūgos (who adds natural energy)? [[User:Sharth|Sharth]] ([[User talk:Sharth|talk]]) 14:48, September 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Already mentioned in the relevant ability section. If you mean it as having its own article, then no. It's no different from Tsunade giving Tsuchikage more chakra for a jumbo sized Dust Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:35, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Susanoo Chidori? Edit

Considering what we did in making the article Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

another part 2 pic discussion Edit

Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in Shippūden episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (Madara and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --SSJ2AJB 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I found the image and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --SSJ2AJB 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 Support — The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --Bio havik (talk) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
Also, can people stop changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki. --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --SSJ2AJB 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --SSJ2AJB 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

natural energy Edit

He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He can't. • Seelentau 愛 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He commented on it, so he can, or not?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
That was Naruto. • Seelentau 愛 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why would Naruto be surprised?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why wouldn't he? • Seelentau 愛 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • Seelentau 愛 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. • Seelentau 愛 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • Seelentau 愛 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang ReleaseEdit

Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.

If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-World Master (talk) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Na. • Seelentau 愛 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Mangastream says an entirely different thing--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path? Edit

Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He didn't absorb it. • Seelentau 愛 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • Seelentau 愛 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike Deva and Asura Paths with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. General Awesomo (talk) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
From the technique's description on this wiki: "Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another type of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the Preta Path corpse and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.

Chapters / Episodes

  1. Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
  2. Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
  3. Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
  4. Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
  5. Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
  6. Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
  7. Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
  8. Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
  9. Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
  10. Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
  11. Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
  12. Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)

Summary

  1. Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
  2. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
  3. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the Color Edition lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
  4. Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
  5. Absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken (Shadow Clone Technique and Transformation Technique). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
  6. Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  7. Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  8. Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his Lariat. He says "Preta Path." No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
  9. Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's Rasengan. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  10. Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
  11. Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal with his Susanoo soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
  12. Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)

Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?

I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. General Awesomo (talk) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
  • barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
  • no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s

Just my opinion--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • Seelentau 愛 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him because he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • Seelentau 愛 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Just as they "vanished" when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against immediately after? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sage Edit

So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. Arawn 999 (talk) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already here in this edit... :P • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan Edit

Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Who keeps doing this?Edit

Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Deactivated Rinnegan Edit

In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for the movie itself to give us an answer? Scenes from Naruto movie trailers are ofter omitted/altered in the final product, and from what we've seen in the manga so far, Sasuke can't deactivate his Rinnengan, since he doesn't turn it of when he overuses it, when his chakra runs too low, or when he isn't fighting, while he does deactivate his (Mangekyou) Sharingan in all 3 of these cases. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 21:03, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Stamina and endurance? Edit

Do you think the info about Sasuke's stamina and endurance should be part of his chakra and stamina section? Justin Holland (talk) 02:55, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

If you can word it in a way that sounds good then add it. If it gets deleted well then...i don't know what to tell you. Munchvtec (talk) 03:04, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Out of curiosityEdit

Why has Sasuke been added as a Yin-Yang user?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:43, November 3, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

According to FF-Suzaku here, from what he got from the fourth databook, receiving Hagoromo's power directly from him grants Yin-Yang Release. In chapter 693, Hagoromo stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke the same amount of power. I asked FF-Suzaku about it and he said it was logical that Sasuke is a Yin-Yang Release user due to those two stated facts. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 22:57, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Also how come he has all the basic nature release transformation types in his infobox? Is it simply because he posses the Rinnegan? Banan14kab 06:39, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

That was directly stated in data book. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 06:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

What is the sentence in which it states that Sasuke possesses all five elements? Had he learned them due to Rinnegan?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:35, November 15, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

Missing ninja Edit

Why is Sasuke still a missing ninja? He's been pardoned because of Kakashi & Naruto, so he should no longer be a missing ninja. Sin2 (talk) 10:47, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Because we cover the whole series at once?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:51, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sin2 (talk) 14:04, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't, "Missin-nin" be removed from Sasuke's infobox? He's no longer a missing ninja, so by removing, "Missing-nin" it'd improve Sasuke's article.—This unsigned comment was made by Sin2 (talkcontribs) .

And Kakashi no longer has Sharingan, yet we don't remove that.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Marriage? Edit

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Both his and Sakura's pages stated that they're married, I've read the last chapters and it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere and unlike all the other couples, he's frequently out of the village so it seems even more unlikely that they're married. TricksterKing (talk) 10:42, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

But they have a daughter named Sarada. Sarada call Sakura "ママ" (means "mama" in Japanese). When Sarada said to Sakura that she and Boruto have some common like their relationship about thier father, she refers as Sasuke "パパ" (means "papa" in Japanese). So doesn't that means they are married? MichiyoChiba (talk) 12:10, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Not really, just means that she knows who Sasuke is and he's visited enough that she kinda likes him, doesn't imply marriage in any way. TricksterKing (talk) 20:13, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

This is stupid. Are we going to question whether or not Naruto and Hinata are married? There was no mention of it in the latest chapter either.--Vacent (talk) 20:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

We're not questioning anything. They're married, they have a daughter, the end. I will not warn twice. We don't care if you don't like the end pairings or not. It is how it is. Edit: The Viz also translated Sarada's words to mean "father", so yes, she is Sasuke and Sakura's daughter. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 21:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Wood ReleaseEdit

It is revealed in the epilogue that he eventually got the prothstetic hand which Sakura said was made from Hashirama cells which would give him access to wood release like Obito, Madara, Danzo, Zetsu, and Orochimaru.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:30, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

Same for Naruto too--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:33, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

In the epilogue, all I saw was his right hand. He lost his left. Correct me if I'm wrong. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 23:43, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

It says on his page that he now has a prothstetic hand but if it's not enough, what about Naruto being listed for wood release? We know he has a right hand and we know what it's made from.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

If having Hashirama's DNA alone suffices for having Mokuton, then Sasuke should have been listed as a Nokuton user as soon as Kabuto injected him with Hashirama's cells. Pesa123456789 (talk) 15:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. How long after Orochimaru took over a Zetsu spore clone was he listed as a Mokuton user?--Minamoto15 (talk) 15:55, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

He has Hashirama's cells, therefore we should list him as a Mokuton user.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:07, November 15, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

He did not have his prosthetic hand in the final chapter. Only his right hand was shown. --Questionaredude (talk) 16:45, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
He has the cells that Kabuto used to save him from death. Kabuto said that they were Hashi's cells. But I don't think we should add Wood Release to him OR Naruto, though I've already seen that Naruto is already added..--Omojuze (talk) 17:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
I second that opinion. It's one thing to deny him the release because he hasn't shown it, but neither Orochimaru nor Naruto have used Wood Release abilities, and yet are still awarded the release. At the very least you should give Sasuke the release to keep up consistency if nothing else. Omega64 狐 (talk) 00:39, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, according to official sketches of The Last, Sasuke does not have the prosthetic left arm. And in the epilogue, what was shown was his right arm and not his left. ~ • WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Personally, it doesn't make any sense to list both Naruto and Orochimaru as having Wood Release, whether they have Hashirama's cells or not. However, as Omega said, Sasuke also gained Hashirama's cells when Kabuto was healing him- prosthetic hand or not, then he should also be listed as having Wood Release to keep up the consistency. Unless you would like to entertain the idea of removing Wood Release from Naruto and Orochimaru's articles... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:37, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure a certain amount of Hashirama's cells must be needed to utilize Wood Release. Danzo and Naruto have an arm, Obito had his entire right side, Orochimaru is inhabiting the body of a White Zetsu, and Madara had the left side of his chest. --Questionaredude (talk) 02:46, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
The amount of cells has nothing to do with it. Recall, Madara only had a sliver of meat from Hashirama and the cells from that were enough for him to not only get the Wood Release, but also Hashirama's Healing Power. Danzo and Obito also explained that the cells themselves will attempt to consume you, and it takes considerable willpower to resist and overpower the cells. Madara also explained that he has completely subjugated the cells, thus he is able to use the power on a similar level to Hashirama himself. Omega64 狐 (talk) 03:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
You do have a valid point as always, Omega64. I also want to keep the consistency just like you do, so hopefully you'll be able to persuade Tau, Elve, TU3, and others.
~ • WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 04:06, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yin and Yang Release Edit

Is it safe to remove the manga only tags from Yin & Yang Release in Sasuke's nature type section in his infobox? The databook confirmed his ability to use them. Yin/Yang is a different issue.--Minamoto15 (talk) 20:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

"Manga only," to my understanding, is a tag used when a certain ability has appeared in the manga and not the anime nor video game. So far, Sasuke gaining Hagoromo's power hasn't happened in the anime yet, therefore the "manga only" tag stays. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 20:41, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
He is talking about Yin Release and Yang Release, not Yin-Yang Release. Genjutsu are Yin Release and Sasuke can use them since Part I. I believe. And for all we know, he could use Yang Release prior to Hagoromo dosage--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
Since the Akimichi Clan's techniques were said to be Yang Release (expanding bodies and such), we could possibly say Sasuke has experience with Yang Release through his Cursed Seal of Heaven. General Awesomo (talk) 06:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Chakra Edit

Maybe someone can get a picture of Sasuke undo Danzo's seal with his chakra? Justin Holland (talk) 00:17, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

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