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== Susanoo flight? ==
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At what point in 676 did Sasuke's Susanoo fly? He was clearly jumping with it.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 20:04, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:And changing direction mid-air? ...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:50, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, in chapter 677, Sasuke's Susanoo is clearly flying! --[[User:Sir M|Sir M]] ([[User talk:Sir M|talk]]) 16:28, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
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== Rinnegan inofobox icon==
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It is possible to change a infobox icon of Sasuke's Rinnegan from generic purple one to his own version ? [[User:Mad6|従え]][[User talk:Mad6|!]] 09:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
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== Yata Mirror? ==
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There's never been a mention of it but is that the Yata Mirror in this pic? http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130919130943/naruto/images/b/ba/Sasuke_EMS%27s_Susanoo.png [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 23:35, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:I believe it was stated somewhere that the shield there is actually a bigger version of the Susanoo's bow weapon, with a shield-like appearance. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:42, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
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==Why are we acting like it's not confirmed that Sasuke's Rinnegan allows him to resist Infinite Tsukuyomi?==
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I just noticed in the artice that it says it maybe the reason he can resist it be but in every single translation I've read it outright states that his Rinnegan is what allows Sasuke and his Susanoo too resist the effects of the Infinite Tsukuyomi.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 15:22, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:From the article: ''"Black Zetsu also alluded that Sasuke's Rinnegan may be the reason why he was able resist the influence of the Infinite Tsukuyomi."''--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 15:29, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Age? ==
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The more correct version would be like "Black Zetsu stated that Sasuke's Rinnegan is the reason as why he is able to resist the Infinite Tsukuyomi"
   
Why is he depicted as a year older than the rest of the rookies? --[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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The one currently suggests we don't know the reason when we do know the reason which is do too his Rinnegan.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 13:28, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unless I'm mistaken, the ages originate from databooks in most cases--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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== Sasuke's Rinnegan Color ==
   
Well alright but it seems odd considering he was 12-13 in Part 1 plus the wiki had it as 15-16 a few weeks/months ago--[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:48, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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How do we know for sure that red is the color of his sharingan, I mean the official color volume isn't out yet. I mean I know there has been some fans who have been able to give the manga color, but I don't think official. Or is there an official color manga already out that's canon that shows what color his eye is?????--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 11:48, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:The ''Weekly Shōnen Jump'' has released a colored version of chapter #676 which depicts that Sasuke's Rinnegan is red-colored. And it's considered official like chapter #638. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 11:55, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Gaara who was born in January was 15 and Naruto born October was 15 according to the Shippuden Mini Databook on ShounenSuki's contributions page, which means ALL people were a year younger in the beginning of shippuden and Naruto was 16 when he fought Kakuzu. Which means Sasuke was INDEED 15 when Naruto and him met again at Oro's base. 6 months after that Sasuke betrayed Oro and we then get all the Databook 3 ages. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:04, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Oh ok, thanks well I guess this raise more questions about rinnegan. Maybe sasuke has the ultimate form of rinnegan.. --[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 11:59, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Sage Transformation ==
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Oh yeah what about, shinju beast, kaguya, and Madara's third eye?--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 12:01, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe Sasuke should be marked as a (former) Sage Transformation user as he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and Jugo said that his and his "copies" tranformation were the same thing. Any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 19:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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@Shak, now you confuse me... was chapter 676 part of the digital volume release of the whole manga or a separate thing? Because if it was the digital volume coloration, then that's not really canon no matter how official. Once the volume cover comes out and it depicts Sasuke's Rinnegan as purple, then that's canon--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
:My opinion is that this chapter made things complicate where they didn't have to be complicated. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:16, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:Elve-kun. If you read the chapter's article trivia section. You'll understand what I'm saying and I didn't say ''canon''. @Ankhael: Shinju's eye is red according to volume #64 cover. Madara's third eye is also red from the same chapter. For Kaguya's eye, no colored version of it. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 12:11, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
::Except he didn't use Sage Transformation. He used the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A copy it may be, but that doesn't make it the same thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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::Latest chapter pretty much confirms that Madara's third eye also is a Rinnegan, therefore so is Kaguya's and Kaguya's presumably the same as Shinju's, so the eye most likely indeed is red, although I still would like a volume cover confirmation :)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:30, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
He didn't, Sage Transformation is what Jugo's clan is using ...
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I'm new and just want to say, sasuke's rinnegan is nine tomoed, see 673 there's 3 row of magatamas, should be nine right? [[User:Rizki2013|Rizki2013]] ([[User talk:Rizki2013|talk]]) 18:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
* Their body absorbing natural energies, and an enzyme reacting to it, transforming their bodies ... It's not a Senjutsu chakra as that's a balance of 3 energies, and they aren't manipulating natural energies themselves.
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:This has been discussed. It's the general consensus that since the six tomoe depiction is more common that it's the correct number. Also, this has its own thread on Sasuke's talk page and the Rinnegan one. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 18:07, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
* Curse Marks/Cursed Seal Transformation use Senjutsu chakra and an enzyme based on Jugo clan's,
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:: I wonder when Elveonora will realize that the volume covers are done by the same people who do the digital releases? But of course, cherry picking is easier, I suppose. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:20, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
the difference is that the former is like a KKG, the latter is a tattoo and the workings are similar but not the same.
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:::I'm gonna assume every tomoe Rinnegan is also red, because of the Ten-Tails' eye and Sasuke's. But I'm just a crazy person.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
But to make it simple, Sage Transformation is Natural Energy causing them to mutate due to their bodies passively absorbing it and the enzyme reacting, while Cursed Seal Transformation is Senjutsu Chakra (but not a Sage Mode 0_o) + Transformation
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:::: Apparently we both are. I mean, even by Elveonora's logic (which makes no sense, but for the sake of this argument, I'll entertain it), the Shinju's eye was colored red in a volume cover not all that long ago. But, of course, Kishimoto might've suddenly decided to color it rainbow (and then had Shueisha do it for him, since he doesn't color his manga), and then we'd have to change that. Pity. /sarcasm I'll add it to the article. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
At least that's how it appears to be--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Ok i get that...but i believe the curse seal works just like Jugo's clan abilities, but not in a perfect way since cursed seal users are only limited to one type of transformation...and i believe the whole Orochimaru Senjutsu chakra thing was a mistranslation of him talking about his revival. But i get the general idea. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 16:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Jugo's works {KKG-absorbs natural energy, enzyme causes body to mutate and triggers rage and madness = sage transformation] CS works [a modified enzyme of Jugo transforms a body, draws chakra, gives Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra] I don't think there are any mistranslations, raw is out already--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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@Foxie, are you 100% sure those volume covers are done by the digital guys, like 100% or just your intuition?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:49, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Uhm, didn't Jūgo himself say it was called Cursed Seal Transformation to those whom cursed seals were applied to? The only way someone can have Sage Transformation is if they're from Jūgo's clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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: Absolutely 100% certain. Kishimoto decides the colors but he doesn't color them himself. The publisher ultimately makes the final call (as is the case anytime you write anything and publish it through a publisher) and then they have an art team that does the colorings. If I'm not mistaken, Kishimoto's assistant has done a color page before, but I'm not certain if that is true or not. What I do know is that he doesn't color the volume covers. The publisher does. He also does not do the color pages. The publisher decides when it is appropriate and does it themselves. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:15, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yep, Sage Transformation is an actual result of their KKG, while Cursed Seal Transformation is due to a tattoo--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::Well, just to inform you guys, we're probably going to see the color of Sasuke's Rinnegan next week because there's going to be a center-color page and a poster in the chapter. [http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/ Here's the link]. Anyway, my money's definitely on red.--[[User:The Zeitgeist|The Zeitgeist]] ([[User talk:The Zeitgeist|talk]]) 20:05, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
:Can the resident translator clear these doubts off? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:But the thing is that the Curse Seal is made from Jugo's enzymes with some modifications, which in a sense is the same as Kakashi using a Sharingan, or Danzo and Madara using the Wood Release because they took the body part/DNA of the individual using said KKG. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Suki is gone, ask the new S.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::: Again, the people that do those pages are the same ones that have been putting out the other colorings. It will be red, the same as it always has been. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: Ok guys, so which variant is more official? The one from the coloring, or the one from the cover page? Right now it seems as though the purple variant is considered official in the article. [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 16:34, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
The enzyme in itself isn't a KKG, only a result of it, like a fluid the bodies of a Jugo Clan's members do produce.
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This is an old topic. The volume cover has shown it is purple. End of story. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 16:41, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
A Cursed Seal host doesn't produce the enzyme because he/she have no such KKG, it's a sealing tattoo with the modified enzyme in it. EDIT: to make it simple, Sasuke nor other CS users didn't use Sage Transformation as that's something only Jugo Clan's member and Kabuto due to having Jugo's DNA can/could use--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Hum...ok...i actually reached that conclusion myself, it actually makes somewhat more sense as whole since i never understood how a Cursed gave such a power-up by just forcing more chakra out of the user...i guess this would explain both the power up and the drain caused by the seal. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== P1 and P2 Infobox pics ==
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== Chidori Eisō? ==
   
I noticed earlier that someone added a Part 2 image to the infobox. I made a contribution myself, and it worked really well. So why exactly was it reversed? If those are outdated images of the characters, I think it's pretty unprofessional to not at least have both images selectable for the infobox. Look at the One Piece wikia.. and I know, I know, we do things differently here. but the One Piece Wiki uses both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip pictures for the characters, and nobody seems to complain, since they're recent. What exactly is the problem with keeping the infobox images accurate to the current plot of the manga? --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
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Didn't find it was discussed before. Who decided Sasuke used Chidori Eisō both the latest chapter and to bisect Madara? He is obviously using partial Susanoo transformation, only it is Susanoo's sword rather than hand this time. [[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 14:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
:We list them as they were first introduced. For part 1 characters, that means part 1 images. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:42, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
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:I'm not sure how small you think the Susanoo's sword is, but that was definitely not the Susanoo sword. Sasuke can't just manifest a sword, he needs to manifest the rib-cage, the arm and then the sword IN the hand. He can't avoid steps. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 14:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::The latest events just show that he CAN, both avoid steps AND resize the sword. It looks nothing like Chidori Eisō. [[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 15:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::It looks exactly like Chidori Sharp Spear. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:14, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::::May you remind me since when Eiso has a guard and blade-like shape? [[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 15:37, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::For quite a while now actually. It already had sword-like shape tens of chapters back--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:44, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Maybe I missed it, but what about gourd? It's hard to miss, I'm pretty sure he never had it.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 15:48, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::There's no gourd, at least I can't see it. Chapter/page?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Counting colour spread as one page, it 7 page, the best is the last frame after Sasuke teleported. You can clearly see the guard and the grip. [[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 15:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Check the technique's manga debut. It looked like that when he pierced Oro too.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::::Ok, found it, thanks. [[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 16:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Deuteragonist in intro? ==
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== Rinnegan's unmentioned ability... ==
   
Why not add Deuteragonist in the intro? Its pretty clear at this point (it was in part 1 actually) ? I can add it myself, of course but just wondering is it not allowed or something? Very good article, like the rest :) Keep up the good work Narutopedia!{{unsigned|178.223.69.107}}
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[[File:Sasuke First Person View.jpg|thumb|left|Sasuke's potential view and seeing into the Hinata's dream.]]
:You do understand that Sasuke helped Itachi for self-serving reasons yes? You also do recall that he said he's still going to seek revenge yes? Sasuke's brief moment of inadvertently aiding the shinobi doesn't call for a change in his introduction.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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I've read through Sasuke's Abilities section and I want to point something out. In chapter 678, page 4 it implies that Sasuke's Rinnegan has the ability to see the into the dreams of the shinobi trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It looks the same as the first person view as the Byakugan, the colour is just not inverted, as seen in the official coloured version. Should it be mentioned or is it trivial? [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 20:42, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:That is not him looking into them. It is done to show us what some of the victims are going thought. Similer to Narutos sage training he was feeling a sense of danger for his village and we kept on seeing the village under attack. Does that mean he has super vision?
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:Besides what does seeing a into a persons IT dream have to do with him teleporting"?" around the battlefeild before the IT is cast? --[[User:Darkhunter-X|Darkhunter-X]] ([[User talk:Darkhunter-X|talk]]) 21:02, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::Yeah, no. Kishi was just showing us some of the Allied Shinobi Forces' dreams. Sasuke's Rinnegan had nothing to do with it. [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 21:03, June 6, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
   
:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha/Archive_6#Deuteragonist [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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== New part II pic ==
   
@ Cerez Since when Deuteragonist has to be on Protagonists side?
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How about using [[:File:Sasuke Uchiha War.png | this]] from the latest episode, as his infobox part II pic? He looks a bit angry maybe, but at least not so close-up as the other one. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 21:57, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deuteragonist
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:{{Support}} Seems better than the current image. It looks good as well and it's rare that we find a smiling Sasuke image. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:31, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
"This person can be either with, or against The Protagonist - thus sometimes pulling double duty as a main Antagonist, though they are rarely the primary antagonist in these scenarios"
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:: I'll change it then --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 23:36, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Granted the art of the image is not as good as the previous one, but this is a better image. The other one was too up-close in his face, and you couldn't see the top of his head. The Obito image has the same problem, and I think that should be changed as well. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 23:57, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:The new image has shadow all over his face and is unsuitable because of it.
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:I like [http://images.wikia.com/naruto/images/archive/c/ce/20140124043530!Sasuke_Shippuden.png this], or at least I like it better than the current or previous. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:15, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I would still say I prefer the current one. Yes it has shadows on his face (maybe we'll get a better one in the next few episodes). But I just thinks he looks more..... alive.. In the one you suggested he have very dead eyes, as far as I think. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 21:56, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I agree, I think we can find a better Part II image than the current one, but I don't like Snapper's image, mainly because he looks exhausted and barely awake. And though the art of the prior image was spectacular, it was too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, where as the Part I image shows all of Sasuke's head, and I think both images need to be consistent with how much of the character they show (and that goes for every character's infobox images). --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 02:33, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: Well at least the next chapter will probably feature Sasukes group in the entire chapter, so maybe we get lucky there --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 08:24, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Why wait? Why hope for luck? Why not find some other image from one of the other 300 episodes of ''Shippuden'' that does not have the current's shadows? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 07:29, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== "..first named technique.." ==
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I got some good pics from episode 366 of Sasuke close up. I'll upload them and you guys can choose what you want. They are
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[[:File:Sasuke Shippuden 1.png|Here]] and
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[[:File:Sasuke_Shippuden_3.png|also here]]
   
Referring to Tsukuyomi. While I do not share the opinion that Sasuke has used the ability, I understand this wiki's decision to list it as one of his techniques due to the 3rd Databook's description of Susanoo's prerequisites. Still, none of the Genjutsu Sasuke's cast from his Mangekyo Sharingan have been identified as Tsukuyomi. I believe that the earlier edit(s), in which the first ability of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is PRESUMED to be Tsukuyomi, was more appropriate. [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] 18:19, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
:Precisely because of what you mentioned before, the presumption was removed. It's better to let it as such until something is said otherwise.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:29, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== infant image ==
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Sasuke's part II image was just changed last week, there's really no need to change it again. Besides, between stretching and a bit of blurriness, none of these are the same quality as the current image. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:00, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we use the anime version instead in a case that the anime's portrayal one is incorrect?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
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I just put in a better quality image. Somebody was deleting my uploads, so it forced my hand. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] 18:13, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Bump, I vote for the correct manga version of the image--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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I don't like the one you have put up now, He just looks wrong. I'm changing it back, until we reach an agreement on this point, and please don't change it until we agree on something here. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 21:18, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
I agree with you because the anime could be different I believe somebody should put the manga version pic or one of his childhood pics. The manga, after all, is the original drawing.
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Well, what was wrong with it? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] 21:25, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
--[[Special:Contributions/199.189.81.8|199.189.81.8]] ([[User talk:199.189.81.8|talk]]) 21:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I believe we should always use the correct version--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:00, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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: His hair covers to much of his face I think, if you try and compare to the current one. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 21:28, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::But the current image does not really look too much like Sasuke- the character model just looks "off." I propose we change it back to WindStar's image until we can find a perfect picture that satisfies everyone. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 01:24, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Regarding the Abilities section ==
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::: I agree.--[[User:The Zeitgeist|The Zeitgeist]] ([[User talk:The Zeitgeist|talk]]) 04:54, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
Does this section really need to be written like an advertisement?--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 22:30, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
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That's exactly what I thought, Kirin98. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] 05:55, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
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: I can't agree with you on this one bit. But if it's the opinion of the majority then I'll have to go along with it. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 08:35, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::Why are people changing the image just because they can? I see literally no consensus here for any of the suggested images and if I can find the image that was being used long before this message was added, I'll add it back in (assuming it even exists). Also, why is there an obsessive need to keep changing the image in the infobox? Pick one and leave it there. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::[[:File:Sasuke Shippuden.png]] '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 08:46, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::But the problem is that it is too zoomed in onto his face, and you can't see his entire head like you can in the Part I image. It's inconsistent. We had the same problem with the Obito image, and that was fixed, and so therefore, I think this should as well. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 17:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::It might be zoomed in "too close", but it's the image that had a consensus. None of the images that have been suggested have any consensus for use, hence why the original image that had a consensus was restored. If you can indeed generate a consensus on this, then it can be changed: for sake of not clogging the TP up with discussion on this, it might be prudent to [[Board:Wiki Discussions|make a thread]] and add a topic of the article for more notice. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 12:23, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yeah, cause Lord Sasuke deserves it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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== The Last Uchiha ==
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Since both Madara and Obito are now listed as "deceased", should Sasuke be mentioned that he's the sole survivor of the Uchiha Clan within his introductory paragraph?--[[User:The Zeitgeist|The Zeitgeist]] ([[User talk:The Zeitgeist|talk]]) 04:47, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
All character's ability sections are written like that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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Yes. So, I say proceed.--[[User:Hockey Machete|Hockey Machete]] ([[User talk:Hockey Machete|talk]]) 05:59, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
:True. All persons abilities sections are written to show them off, no matter what little is known of them.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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: Alright then.--[[User:The Zeitgeist|The Zeitgeist]] ([[User talk:The Zeitgeist|talk]]) 06:06, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Alright. I do think it's a bit worse than with other abilities sections, but that probably has to do with Sasuke's role in the story. Still, there are some odd things:
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== Sasuke has 9 tomoe in his rinnegan ==
:''Sasuke is hailed as a genius, even by the battle-adept Uchiha clan's standards, excelling at all that he does and finding little difficulty in more challenging tasks.''
 
Uhm, doesn't that ignore a significant part of the story where Sasuke is the less talented, little brother of Itachi!?
 
:''Overall, Sasuke has become highly proficent (sic) in all of his clan's techniques with advanced knowledge of their respective natures, despite his lack of formal training by relying solely on his innate talent and determination.''
 
Respective natures!? Lack of formal training!? What is meant by that exactly?
 
:''Although not his favoured combat skill, Sasuke's taijutsu was at a very high level since the start of the series.''
 
Shouldn't that be "not his favoured combat TACTIC", because his taijutsu skills are he foundation for his other skills.
 
:''Sasuke has displayed an above-average level of physical strength. Despite being weakened in the fight, he was [able] to lift and carry an unconscious Killer B (which was actually one of Gyūki's tentacles) with <s>a single</s> [one] hand.''
 
Well, it's not as if anyone else has carried Killer B around, but with chakra enhanced speed and chakra enhanced strength almost everywhere, is that actually worth mentioning? Also, I pretty sure that he didn't carry Killer B "with a single hand", but carried him on a single shoulder. And calling it "above average"?
 
:''He also has high levels of stamina and endurance as he was able to withstand being battered, thrown and slammed around by Naruto in his jinchūriki forms,...''
 
In his cursed seal mode! Isn't that important to mention?
 
:''After his Sharingan fully develops, he was also able to match the speed of both Naruto's initial jinchūriki form and one-tailed form during their fight, though couldn't completely dodge the latter's demon shroud.''
 
Again without mentioning his cursed seal mode.
 
:''Furthmore (sic), his speed and precision have yet to leave his blade stained with any blood even when inflicting lethal strikes on his opponent.''
 
Isn't that because he's running lightning through his sword? ... And those were some of the things I noticed. Thanks.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 14:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* While we do praise people, comparing them to others is frowned upon here. So even if Sasuke is called a genius, we would not say, "less than his brother" and however many other persons that may have been more talented than him.
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sorry guys I don't mean to start an argument but, sasuke has 9 tomoe in his rinnegan. I know that his rinnegan also appeared to have 6 as well later on, but that was after he had used his teleport ability. in the chapter where sasuke's rinnegan was first shown, he had 9 tomoe in his left eye. let me explain. in the first chapter in which his rinnegan was first shown, if you look at the rings in sasuke's rinnegan, you'll notice that on the first 3 rings he has a total of 9 tomoe, then later after he use his ability he appear to only appeared to have tomoe on the first 2 rings, having a total of 6. who knows if this is a drawing error, but when his rinnegan was first shown he had a total of 9, appearing on the first 3 rings in his rinnegan.--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 14:36, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
* Not too sure myself since he's been "trained" and I've only ever seen him use two "Uchiha" techniques, but this place isn't run by machines.
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:He was consistantly depicted with six Tomoe. If there's a reason for him sometimes having more or if Kishimoto screwed up, we don't know. For now, he has six. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:46, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
* Okay
 
* Fair enough as well, I also thought Jūgo carried B, not Sasuke
 
* Stamina and endurance stuff removed
 
* That statement is wrong, the Sharingan didn't grant him speed, but the ability to dodge the attacks.
 
* Removed
 
Because Sasuke is one of the "more popular" characters, if editors don't patroll the pages regularly, stuff like this gets "sneaked" in without our knowing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention any way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* Itachi was stronger than Sasuke, but the latter was noted numerous times to have the potential to surpass Itachi in time, stated to have a better Sharingan skill and his chakra was compared to that of Madara.
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only after he was using it consistantly, however you right. I still think its appropriate to add that he did infact 9 tomoe before he used and battled with madara.--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 14:51, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Not to mention Naruto and Sasuke are equal, and the former is now like the strongest unit in the Ninja Alliance. Also the whole "next generation surpasses the previous" or some shit.
 
* Sasuke had trained to equal Itachi's skill with Ninja Tools, used them in conjunction with his Fire and Lightning techniques REALLY well, and even used a modified/next-gen version of Uchiha Madara's dragon heads/projectiles technique.
 
Itachi was hailed as a prodigy, Sasuke as well, with him eventually surpassing the older brother.
 
So this isn't false, Sasuke has used an "Uchiha" technique without being trained in it, and copied Itachi's shuriken target practice by memorizing it.
 
* I think he has the talent to rival Lee in Taijutsu, for copying a few moves and in a 30 day training mastering something that took Lee years.
 
But later in the series, it's not a common part of his fighting style, relying more on Kenjutsu now.
 
* The databook gives Sasuke 3,5 in strength, now it's more than likely even more (4 I guess) taking into consideration that he wasn't exclusively trained in muscle mass department, it's valid.
 
Also Sasuke is a late 16 years old teenager, Killer B a muscular big dark-skinned dude in his late 30's.
 
Sasuke isn't noted to be using any strength-enhancing technique (with the Cursed Seal being removed at that point already) "maybe" some limited Eight Gates opening skill (Kakashi level)
 
* I wouldn't say Sasuke has any noticeable natural endurance... that's Naruto's area.
 
Actually without his cursed seal, he got pwned in a single punch by Killer B and wouldn't have survived the Raikage's attack if it wasn't for his Susanoo.
 
* Why removed? In my opinion, it takes a great mastery with a sword to cut due to 1000 Ninja and disarm them without taking their lives.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== another bug? ==
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kishi has also consistently drew the jubi with six tomoe on occasions.--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 14:57, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
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Dude, I've tried to argue this before. It's not going to persuade anyone. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Windstar7125|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 15:50, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 15:43, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Black lightning? ==
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He was shown with nine tomoe once, and with six in every panel they're visible since. Six until there's substantial reason to say differently. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:12, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Is Sasuke's dark chidori or flapping chidori a black lightning move? Or just a darker and stronger chidori? [[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
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Aw, come on Omnibender, at least you can make a small trivia, make a little note that "when sasuke first appear with his rinnegan, it appeared to have nine tomoe, later it was depicted with six tomoe".--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 16:32, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
:Not a black lightning technique, specially since in an artbook, said technique was purple. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
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:I'm sure that already is stated somewhere.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:49, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::Once again, Elve, no it isn't. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Windstar7125|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 17:34, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::: It will likely be placed in the page of drawing errors (because yes, it is a drawing error). There is no need for a Trivia point here since it has been consistently shown with six since then. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:48, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, I'm colorblind so....--[[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
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== "Like the Shunshin no jutsu ==
   
== Introduction section ==
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*In the mangastream translation, Naruto said that Sasuke was able to move around '''LIKE''' the shunshin no jutsu...... what does that mean & was it an accurate translation? If so, should it then be added to his abilities
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**Sasuke has the ability to move around likened to the shunshin no jutus
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:Or something like that?--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 07:30, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::The translations of this weeks chapter are even worse than they usually are, so we can't really tell yet. Please wait for me to get my hands on and translate the raws. :) • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 08:23, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
I noticed, in the Introduction section, it says '...kept getting drawn in by ''Sakura's romantic advances'' and Naruto's attempts at competition.
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== at this point ==
   
I fail to see where he was ever drawn in to Sakura's romantic advances. He called her annoying and, in the Viz translation of the manga said that she made him sick, both occurrences in Part 1.
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Wouldn't it make sense to create an article for the teleportation technique? I mean, we've made for Kaguya's techniques, so why not his?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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: I can't agree yet. We don't even know what it does. So far we've seen Sasuke disappear and then reappear. Sure we've seen him do it a few times now, but combine that with Naruto's comment that it is "like the shunshin", and even then we don't know what it does. Vanishing and then reappearing isn't worth an article. When we see its mechanics, like if he has to focus his eye, or if he simply has to focus to teleport, then we can do something with it. Otherwise, we simply don't know enough. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I wouldn't oppose waiting, but latest chapter made it clear (to me at least) that it is space-time ninjutsu. Shunshin is simply fast movement and unless Sasuke's so fast that he can walk through air, he teleported himself and Naruto to Kaguya--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:54, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Honestly I think Naruto was comparing it to Hiraishin, which gets called shunshin a lot lately for some reason. I agree with you, but again, disappearing and then suddenly reappearing isn't special. Even Konohamaru can do that. Until something happens to distinguish it, though, I see no need. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:57, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: Fair points, but if we don't learn anything more about this technique soon, then I propose we create a page about the technique and we give it the name ourselves. For instance, we created the names of techniques like "Dimensional Shifting", "Space-Time Portal", and "Black Zetsu Merging Technique." And to be honest, we know even ''less'' about those techniques than Sasuke's teleportation technique. Let me know how you feel about this. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 20:47, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: How do you figure? We know exactly what those techniques do. "Dimensional Shifting" allows Kaguya to rewrite reality to create new dimensions, as per Kakashi's own explanations, the "Space-Time Portal" is obvious. She creates a portal and teleports with it. We've always known what "Black Zetsu Merging" does and his "Recording" technique has existed since Part I. I think you're getting antsy because we created pages that have ''no official name'' for Kaguya and Zetsu, but don't acknowledge that not only do we not have a name for Sasuke's Rinnegan technique, we also don't know what the hell it does. Seriously. One moment he (or his sword) is in one location, the next moment he is elsewhere. That is all we know. That does not constitute a page. Hell, that doesn't even constitute a Trivia point. All we know about it is on his article and should remain that way until we actually get some mechanics here. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: Once again, fair points. But I wouldn't count on an explanation on how it works- if there would be one, it would have been in 674 when it was introduced. What we do know is that he can teleport himself and other people and objects a great distance. He can also use this ability to switch places with another person or object. There is a limited space in which he can use this technique, and it is compared to Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. All that information above is, in my opinion, worthy of an article. That being said, if the mechanics are never explained and/or the technique is never given a name, are we still not planning on creating a page for the technique? --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 14:12, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::: What do you think of the points I've made? --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 13:12, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Once again, my question remains unanswered. If there is nothing more that we learn about Sasuke's technique at any point in the series, will we still not create a page for Sasuke's Rinnegan teleportation technique, or will we actually create a page with our own name and explanation? --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 18:50, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
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: No we will not. Vanishing and reappearing can be chalked up to a Body Flicker Technique, for one. So if this is all we get on it, then tough pancakes. We're not in the business of inventing explanations when we have none. In every instance of the technique being used, we get too panels. One where Sasuke is standing still, and the next he's a few yards away. Again, Body Flicker can accomplish this too. The only reason we even know its Rinnegan-related is because Madara said he was starting to "figure out" Sasuke's "eye power". That still tells us absolutely nothing about it. Right now, it is documented. Everything we know about it is contained in a sentence (we literally only have a sentence worth's of explanation about it), which is also referenced, in his Rinnegan section. If and when it is explained, be it in the manga, or a databook, then a page can be made. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:39, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Like I've said, you make fair points, and I don't disagree with you. However, I just have the issue that there are pages like Black Zetsu's recording ability, and we know virtually nothing about how it works or it's real name. Besides, I think more people than you and I should be the ones to decide the course of this dilemma. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 22:18, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::: I, again, am telling you that you are being very narrow sighted. Black Zetsu's recording ability has been known about since early Part II, and was used as far back as the end of Part I. We may not know ''how'' he does it, but we know what it does, what it has been used to do, and what its purpose is. Hence why there is a decent sized article about it, and only once sentence about this ability. There is no one else needed, its not going to be created with the information had. Period. Even if, by some act of God, you manage to get it created, Cerez, Ultimate, and Spey will immediately request its deletion (rightfully so) because they despise useless articles as it is. Drop it until we know more. Sasuke, so far, has done absolutely nothing special. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:37, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Very well. Despite our differing opinions, I have enjoyed conversing with you about the subject. Thank you for your insight. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 23:58, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
He never acted on them in any way, so far as I remember, at least not positively. Not saying he didn't care for her or anything, but that statement is puzzling. Anyone care to explain to me? I'm kinda mind boggled by the logic in there...--[[User:AkasunaNoJade|AkasunaNoJade]] ([[User talk:AkasunaNoJade|talk]]) 08:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
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== Final Susanoo ==
   
:Fixed, I suppose.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:37, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
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The abilities section says that 'Following the recovery of Itachi's transplant, the final stage of his Susanoo underwent a drastic change, with scaled hands, a beak-like hood and a larger bow, with a more shield-like appearance, giving it an overall more intimidating appearance.', however, Sasuke acquired this version of Susanoo during his fight with Kakashi and Team 7, which took place before the transplant.
   
Maybe add [[:File:Drive toward the darkness.png|this]] to further describe Sasuke's descent into hatred? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 22:34, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
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[[User:Madara solos|Madara solos]] ([[User talk:Madara solos|talk]]) 12:21, June 26, 2014 (UTC)Madara solos
:Unnecessary. Also, that's from a filler. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I thought that see Sasuke's hatred consumed eyes as a chlid may help better add to his descent to hate as a chlid [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
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No. That was his Susanoo before the transplant, when he had the MS. It had teeth and looked like Itachi's. Check Sasuke's Susanoo gallery. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:02, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why did someone remove "rotten ninja world"? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
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== "Rinnegan Teleportation" Technique Page ==
   
Shouldn't we say that Sasuke has an affinity towards lightning, because of that one filler episode with the paper?--[[Special:Contributions/24.166.174.117|24.166.174.117]] ([[User talk:24.166.174.117|talk]]) 22:23, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
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Given that we have created techniques that have not been given proper names such as "Black Zetsu Merging Technique", "Event Recording", "Dimensional Shifting", etc., I think we should create a page that revolves around Sasuke's teleportation abilities. For instance, we could call the technique "Rinnegan Teleportation", "Teleportation: Rinnegan", "Teleportation: Sasuke", or something more creative. What do you think? --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 14:15, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha#at_this_point--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:23, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Sorry about that... That subheading title didn't really scream out "name of Sasuke's teleportation technique." --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 20:42, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I have a thing for fancy titles--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Kusari user ==
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== Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities ==
   
In what occasion of the anime, was Sasuke shown as using the kusari? Cuz he's listed as one in the anime and i can't find a single refference to it, soo a little direction would be appreciated. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 00:46, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we add Water Style, Earth Style, and Wind Style to his Chakra Natures since he has the Rinnegan? Just because he hasn't used any of those natures, doesn't mean he doesn't have them. We did the same thing for the Sot6P and yet we never saw him use them. We also never saw Hagoromo, or Madara use the Six Paths Technique yet those were put on there. So shouldn't Sasuke have those Jutsu's and chakra natures added to his profile?[[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 21:36, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
:In the Paw Encyclopaedia filler. In a flashback, he captures one of the cats with chains. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
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:I swear this thing has to be explained like every damned week. Rinnegan doesn't grant anyone natures, it simply allows him to learn them faster. I don't know the reasoning behind Hagoromo having all natures in his infobox. For Madara, he specifically told Obito that he would teach him Six Paths Technique, meaning he could use all 6. Hagoromo probably invented it, unless his mother did, in which case usage of all paths is questionable--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:42, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
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::Elveo is right. Except for the Madara thing. Madara has all ''5'' because he's actually used them not because of the Six Paths. Wood = Water + Earth, Fire (duh), Wind (fanned Gunbai), and Lightning (apart of storm release). -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 21:50, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Oh I see. I've always been under the assumption that once you have the Rinnegan you're automatically granted all 5 Chakra Natures since every user except Obito and possibly Hagomoro has used it.[[User:Sanbi221|Sanbi221]] ([[User talk:Sanbi221|talk]]) 02:29, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Curse mark? ==
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==Sasuke's Personality Section==
   
I can't remember if they have shown this, but Sasuke still got his Curse Mark right? Long time no see acturly. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 12:41, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, everyone. Yesterday, given the fact that Sasuke's page is now tagged for general cleanwork, I wanted to take the opportunity to trim down his personality section, something I wanted to do for a while now. However, a user kept reverting for who knows why. Not wanting to get into a edit war and get into trouble as result, I'm bringing this to the talk page. The main issue I have with his Sasuke's Personality section is that, for one thing, I've noticed repetitive sentences/already mentioned examples within the article. For example, the two passages below are taken directly from the section, and the issues are in bold:
:It was removed by Itachi during their last fight, when Orochimaru was sealed by Itachi's sword. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 12:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
{{UseAnswersWiki}}''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:black;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
Great thanks. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 12:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Something about his appearance ==
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"As time passed on with this new path of revenge and with further corruption by Tobi and the Uchiha curse, Sasuke had grown much more cruel and ruthless, with the remaining morality he showed during his time with Orochimaru fading rapidly. '''During Taka's attack on the Kage Summit, Sasuke killed anyone who stood in his way, not caring about his team, and after cornering Danzō, sacrificed Karin who got taken hostage to accomplish his goals of vengeance, and attempted to kill Karin along with his former team-mates and teacher whilst experiencing neither shame, guilt, nor remorse for any of his actions.'''"
   
I don't know if this in his appearance but there seems be not mention of the lines under Sasuke's eyes he had for the longest time from when he started killing the samurai up till Edo Tensei was released. His emotions and mindset seem to determine when they're there or not. --[[Special:Contributions/67.142.164.24|67.142.164.24]] ([[User talk:67.142.164.24|talk]]) 04:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
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"Though, as he became more consumed by his thirst for vengeance, he showed that he cared little for them and saw them as no more than tools to achieve his hatred-fueled goals, quickly discarding them when they were no longer necessary. '''This is seen at the Kage Summit where he leaves Jūgo and Suigetsu behind, taking only Karin with him who could lead him to where Danzō was, as well as killing many samurai who stood in his way. He would later discard Karin as well, unhesitatingly piercing her just to kill Danzō and then attempted to finish her off to prevent her from being a burden in the future.'''"
   
Expressions of madness--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Though written slightly differently, you can the similarities. Also, I want to point out this, which is actually the beginning sentence of the second paragraph below: "'''Initially, Sasuke still held onto the notion of sparing the innocent''' and cooperation, witnessed in his creation of a new group of shinobi."
   
== Sasuke may NOT HAVE Tsukuyomi ==
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Then this is from another paragraph, about three paragraphs above from the the latter: "Despite getting stronger, '''Sasuke seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge''', displaying that he still had some morals left.''"
   
Well, While I do think that Sasuke did use Tsukuyomi - It's nothing but a theory.....
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In the section, there are two sentences that stands alone together compared to the other paragraphs: "From his clan's massacre up until discovering the truth about Itachi, Sasuke was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru."
Lets start with the idea that you should write facts only.
 
according to Tobi [Naruto chapter 480 page 6] Sasuke used simply a weak genjutsu.
 
However, That Tsukuyomi that Sasuke used did not have a moon, it reminds of Itachi's Tsukuyomi yet it doesn't have to be one.
 
Now for the last chapter that might prove that Sasuke does not have a Tsukuyomi.
 
In chapter 585 page 12, Sasuke did not say Tsukuyomi but genjutsu sharingan while Itachi did say Tsukuyomi.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 05:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Your point?[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 06:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
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I felt like this was rather out there, and I wanted to find a place for it to place somewhere in the paragraph. So, I wanted to include in the following paragraph mentioning Sasuke's opnion on Orochimaru: "Despite claiming earlier that he did not care if he had to sacrifice his own body to Orochimaru as long as it served his quest for revenge, when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than the Sannin, he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha. However, despite his disrespect of Orochimaru as a person, Sasuke does have great respect for his power, going so far as to reprimand Suigetsu when he felt the latter was underestimating Orochimaru's capabilities."
   
My point is that you should remove from the jutsu list the Tsukuyomi ability, Same goes to the abilities which clearly says did he does have Tsukuyomi while he possibily doesn't have[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 06:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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It was also one of the parts that I edited last night, but was (again!) reverted: But this was the edit I made, as seen in the History: "Despite claiming earlier that he did not care if he had to [[Living Corpse Reincarnation|sacrifice his own body]] to [[Orochimaru]] as long as it served his quest for revenge, when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than the Sannin, he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha. '''Additionally, Sasuke was disgusted by how Orochimaru would toy with innocent lives for personal gain, as he believed Itachi had done.''' However, despite his disrespect of Orochimaru as a person, Sasuke does have great respect for his power, going so far as to reprimand [[Suigetsu]] when he felt the latter was underestimating Orochimaru's capabilities."
: It has already been decided to list him as a user, i refer you to some of the discussions above to see why if you like.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 07:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
   
In order to use [[Susanoo]], a person needs to be able to use both [[Amaterasu]] and [[Tsukuyomi]].'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 07:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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This was just a few edits I made yesterday. I also take some words that I felt over-exemplified. Nothing too big, though.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:55, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
No, The databook most likely was wrong. Kishi simply changed his mind. It was long ago and it's no more, I gave you a clear proves from the manga which says that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, Manga >= Databook.
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:Eehhh... Can we just trim this section down to two or three paragraphs? Does it really have to read as another biography? It's what we have the plot synopsis at the bottom for, right? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 00:51, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
You can't rely on the Databook while the manga says otherwise. - Yomiko-chan, But the manga clearly says that he does NOT have it.
 
[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 08:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No, Sasuke surely has it, he used it against Danzo twice. One time when Danzo saw Itachi casting Amaterasu on him and the second time when he fooled him by believing he still has some Sharingan left for his Izanagi (both Tobi and Danzo said that it was Tsukuyomi and not another genjutsu, although it was not as powerful as Itachi's version.) He also used his Mangekyō Sharingan for it. Why should he do that if he could cast a simple genjutsu with his normal sharingan?[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 10:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I disagree, Sasuke used the same ability with the second eye twice, After Tobi noticed it (in chapter 480 page 6) He said himself it was simply a genjutsu and nothing else. The Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu is a somewhat stronger genjutsu. I don't know, But CLEARLY it isn't the Tsukuyomi. Why would he say Mangekyo genjutsu instead of Tsukuyomi? UHMMM.... Maybe because it isn't. Apart from it, Sasuke has three abilities (which I disagree but it's not the point) , Blaze release , Susanoo and Amaterasu. Which means as Sasuke said himself, 3 abilities .. No Tsukuyomi here.
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Doing that would be impossible. Sasuke isn't exactly a round character; he's dynamic. He changes with the story. I want to trim it down as much as possible, but again, apparently, a user is have issues with that. I want to revert to my edit again, but I can't do that without dragging myself into an edit war.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:32, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
The manga might be confusing abit alright, Though we cannot ignore the facts that it was NEVER said that it is a Tsukuyomi. And considering the fact it was said it isn't Tsukuyomi and Sasuke NEVER said Tsukuyomi while activating the mangekyo genjutsu ability.. It wasn't Tsukuyomi, alright. [[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 12:56, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Guys, there's no need to start up this discussion for the hundredth million time. Until it is said otherwise, Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi=Susanoo. I really don't think there's any need to bring this up again because no one here is going to say anything that hasn't been said in every other discussion.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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:I feel that his personality traits can be detailed without delving into every plot twist 'n turn that has effected them. The Personality section(and I suppose this is true for many of the primary characters on this wiki) has always felt bloated to me because it's been referencing just about every plot point. As I said, it reads like some kind of biography, or a plot synopsis from the character's perspective. Is all that '''really''' necessary to describe how Sasuke acts? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 04:15, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yet you simply ignore the fact that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi. The manga showed us [chapter 585 page 12] that it's somewhat Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu and nothing else. Due to that and more few reasons it's no longer a fact.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 13:36, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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I agree with the point you're making, but trying trim it down to just two or three paragraphs? I don't know if that's possible.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:38, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
:This is a wikia. We have to base information here on a '''premise'''. If databook says Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to awaken Susanoo, and Itachi said the same, why should we go against it and say "oh Sasuke may not have Tsukuyomi because you know, he's the one exception"? Also not that Danzō compared Sasuke's genjutsu to that of Itachi's which could control time and '''that''' was what Tobi was commenting on noting that it was just another genjutsu. Why in blazes would someone compare a regular genjutsu with something on the level of Tsukuyomi. Until it is said otherwise, that is what we have to work on. If and when it is ever said contrary, feel free to come back here and do the "I told you so" dance by which time I'll be long gone, and you'll be dead Dumbledore!--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Also, even IF the genjutsu used by Sasuke in that fight really weren't Tsukuyomi, we still could not say that he is not able to use it. The databook says one needs both abilities to use Susanoo, and that is a fact. Madara also never used Amaterasu, yet he could use Susanoo and is therefore also able to use Amaterasu. The databooks are official references, therefore a person IS able to use a technique if it stands so in a databook, even if that person was not seen using the technique yet in the manga or anime.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 14:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38425/901511-sasuke_uses_tsukuyomi_on_8_tails_super.jpg /topic] He activated his MS for the purpose of using that genjutsu, it put strain on his eye and there's the kill bill filter scheme lol, not to mention Killer B had tentacle guy free him from it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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:Perhaps you're right. I'll be quiet now, as I now realize I'm kind of derailing your purpose in creating this topic. ;) —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 20:27, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
--Elveonora ~ it doesn't prove anything really... Just that it's similar to the Tsukuyomi ... As I said, in the later chapters Sasuke clearly doesn't have Tsukuyomi. [[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 20:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
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No, it's okay. If you have ideas on how to improve the page, voice them. That's one of the purpose of having a talk page, after all. :) Besides, it doesn't matter anymore. Another user revamped the page. Although I still can't comprehend why my edit, even though it wasn't even big, was reverted without an explanation. :( Again, doesn't matter anymore.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:34, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Clearly to you, I don't see your "proof" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
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First off, sorry for replying to you this late, my country was hit with a big typhoon a few days ago, which blacked out my place and made using the intenret, cable, and any other thing that runs on electricity pretty much impossible. I only just got your message now when the power finally came back on, but the powers' still unstable right now so I'm not sure how long the connection will last, so I'll apologize in advance if I don't respond to your response right away.
   
== Original Mangekyō Sharingan ==
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Anyway, the main reason why I kept undoing most of the edits was because I wanted to change it back to as close to the original as possible, then fix it so that it would be less redundant and more informative and detailed, and that includes the entirety of the Uchiha page. See, the original reason on why I started doing this was because of a user called Steve920, who kept editing the sections of Sasuke's Page very badly, (i.e. greammar mistakes, vague explanations, copy and paste from different sites, etc.) when the page was already more or less okay as it was. 
   
I noticed that in the last two chapters (620 and 619) of Naruto manga, Sasuke's Mangekyō appeared like his original without the 3 lines from Itachi's Mangekyō...I think it is worth noting in the trivia .....and it is also raises the question of whether he can switch between the Eternal Mangekyō and the normal Mangekyō at will. [[Special:Contributions/197.155.228.102|197.155.228.102]] ([[User talk:197.155.228.102|talk]]) 13:52, February 14, 2013 (UTC)Inhumanoid
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I waited for a few days to see if anyone would notice the mistakes and try to fix them, but they never did, so I had to fix it myself... And I admit I may have went a little oberboard with the editing and the undoing of edits (in other words, I pretty much lost it), but bad grammar and sloppy works of literature really set me off, especially if they only copied and pasted them of off some other site.
   
== status/role ==
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I also apologize for undoing most of your edits (though I'm not sure if I was the only one), but it didn't seam like there were any redundancies, at least, at the time. And to me, they looked more like previous interpretations of how others viewed Sasuke's personality from before up to now. Sort of like a record on the changes of his personality. And although I'm not sure on whether having a personality section that details the history of his past personality to his current one or a summary of his current personality is better for the page, I prefer the former, so that's what I chose.
   
I think we should simply list him as deuteragonist or antihero rather than "flip-flopper"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:25, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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But I see your point now on how it's a little repetitive (I mostly skimmed through the personality section and probably didn't see the repetitions before), like the mentioning of the Kage Summit Arc more than once for example. So how do you feel about melding the two:
   
Maybe anti-hero, but we will have to see how it plays out ... --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 15:49, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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"Initially, Sasuke still held onto the notion of sparing the innocent and cooperation, witnessed in his creation of a new group of shinobi. Though, as he became more consumed by his thirst for vengeance and with further corruption from Tobi and the Uchiha curse, Sasuke had grown much more cruel and ruthless, with the remaining morality he showed during his time with Orochimaru fading rapidly. This is seen at the Kage Summit, where he killed anyone who stood in his way, as well as leaving Jūgo and Suigetsu behind, taking only Karin with him who could lead him to where Danzō was, and later discarding her as well, unhesitatingly piercing her just to kill Danzō and then attempted to finish her off to prevent her from being a burden in the future, showing that he cared little for them and saw them as no more than tools to achieve his hate-fueled goals."
   
In the intro paragraph, it says "...introduced as a protagonist but later became an antagonist in the half of Part II then later revert back into protagonist." Why is he only considered an antagonist in the half of Part II? Isn't he antagonistic since he "tried" to kill Naruto at the Valley of the End in Part I? And due to the latest chapter, is he really considered as a protagonist again? True, he does confirm that he won't destroy the village anymore, and yeah, he does say sorry to Karin for trying to kill her, but does that justify him being a protagonist again after hundreds of chapters of antagonism? Sasuke's role is a difficult one... I just think we should wait for a few more chapters or the whole outcome of this saga before reclassifying him as a protagonist again. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 17:03, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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I didn't put the last paragraph you mentioned in because I think it would be better to include it like this:
   
My sentiments exactly. --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 17:05, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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"In Part II, Sasuke became increasingly confident in his newfound abilities. Constantly, he remained composed and unconcerned with the situation at hand. Even when pressured by enemies like Orochimaru or Deidara, he showed no emotional build up unless the situation involved Itachi, ironically acting just like his older brother. However, Sasuke still seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, displaying that he still had some morals left."
   
Whoever wrote that introduction lol.... --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:09, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Edit: There were other things I mentioned as well, but the stupid editor page reloaded and deleted all of the things I typed, so this is all I could remember. Well, that, and that I think that this:
   
@Sparxs Then, why not just change it to Deuteragonist, since deuteragonist isn't necessarily on the protagonist's side, but isn't the ultimate villain, either. {{unsigned|93.87.250.46}}
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"From his clan's massacre up until discovering the truth about Itachi, Sasuke was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru."
   
Sasuke's always been the deuteragonist of the series despite all he's done. Throughout part 1 it's always been a series of switches between his and Naruto's stories, like two halves of the same coin in a way.. I agree with changing it to that. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 18:24, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Looks better along with this:
   
Just change it to deuteragonist, is it so hard? I've seen that being discussed here for a LONG time and it's never done because some people want to foolishly stick with the antagonist tag. --[[Special:Contributions/46.11.99.109|46.11.99.109]] ([[User talk:46.11.99.109|talk]]) 08:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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"In Part II, Sasuke became increasingly confident in his newfound abilities. Constantly, he remained composed and unconcerned with the situation at hand. Even when pressured by enemies like Orochimaru or Deidara, he showed no emotional build up unless the situation involved Itachi, ironically acting just like his older brother. However, Sasuke still seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, and was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru. And displayed that he still had some morals left."
   
I believe he's a main character.. so anti-hero is fine but he's not classified as antagonist. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:rockleespinoff|RLS]])</sup> 08:22, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Thought about putting it where you put it but decided against it because I thought the flow of it wouldn't work. That's probably the reason why I undid your edit (or maybe it was because I grew distrustful of sudden edits due to my experiences with Steve920's edits). Well, that, and because taking down a few paragraphs or sentences won't even make a difference in the page's length, Naruto wiki character pages are almost always long, so I stopped trying to make them shorter a long time ago, I'm actually growing to like it in fact, mostly because you don't have to go to another page to see a character's personality or quotes or abilities and etcetera.
:[[wikipedia:Deuteragonist|Deuteragonist]] seems to be the best fitting word here.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 08:27, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::It is entirely possible he could pull a dick move and say "I'm going to protect Konoha only so I can destroy it later.". So I'm hesitant to say he's a protagonist.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:05, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:: I would say a proper, decent way to phrase it in the intro would be that while he was originally introduced as a secondary protagonist, he soon evolved into a deuteragonist, helping people only when it presents him with personal gain is his own plans and goals.--[[User:Lilduff90|lilduff90]] ([[User talk:Lilduff90|talk]]) 11:55, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, I'll get back to you when I remember the rest. Once again sorry for replying to you this late and also for the wall of text. And I'll also put this on your profile page to make sure you get this. [[User:CroniclerX|CroniclerX]] ([[User talk:CroniclerX|talk]]) 05:31, July 17, 2014 (UTC) CroniclerX
   
:::That however glosses over the fact that he unquestionably became a antagonist. 400+ chapters of him being a evil dick is not something that can be handwaved so easily.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:10, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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I watch have Sasuke's page under my Watchlist, so I'll know when something changes on its main page or talk page. In any case, sent you a response via your talk page. Since another user already revamped the section, there's no need to discussion this issue further.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:05, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
::: '''''Deuteragonist is the second most important character, after the protagonist. The deuteragonist may switch from being with or against the protagonist depending on the deuteragonist's own conflict/plot.'''''
 
That seems to exactly match it.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:15, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::::I vote we remove them altogether. They do more harm than good any way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:17, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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==Six Paths==
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We should list Sasuke as a basic user of the six paths. Deva, Asura, Human, etc. we listed Obito as a user when he got the Rinnegan when he didn't use all of them, we should list Sasuke too. [[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:18, July 17, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
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:I seem to recall someone saying that Obito was taught the six paths by Madara or something. Also we don't know what the tomoe Rinnegan can do in comparison with the standard one, so that's too guessy to take for fact. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:20, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::Obito was listed as a user because he actually used the Six Paths of Pain technique, which meant he automatically had the ability to use it. Sasuke has never been seen casting a Six Paths of Pain technique (or whatever it was), so listing him as a user is speculation. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 23:23, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why would we do so??? The intro is supposed to give an overview of the character's role and status in the show--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Deuteragonist seams to cover it. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 17:06, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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== Infobox Rinnegan Image ==
   
d.o.n.e.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:14, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Now that we know Sasuke's Rinnegan is in fact the standard colour, but simply with 6 tomoe, the infobox image needs to be altered. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 01:58, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:Bump... --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 11:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Kinda have no clue how to go about doing that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:22, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nor do I, which is why I asked on the talk page :P --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 11:29, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Just ask someone to make a new image? --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:43, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Making an image isn't a problem, most of us are clueless about how to replace it in the infobox--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:52, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Evil? I think not... ==
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== Page Protection Removal ==
   
I believe that, despite all Sasuke's done, he did nothing to truly define himself as "evil." Everything that's happened to him was portrayed through his hatred, and people merely got in his way of his goals. Therefore, I think that if someone were to look at it close enough, we should specifically state that he wasn't evil anywhere along the line, and if so, it was nothing but being manipulated and corrupted. [[User:GoldenTempest|GoldenTempest]] ([[User talk:GoldenTempest|talk]]) 21:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)GoldenTempest
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Can we remove the page protection on this article and the Rinnegan article now that the issue with Sasuke's Rinnegan colour has been dealt with? --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 02:03, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:The page was unprotected literally a few minutes ago. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 02:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:: That's really weird- when I wrote this, I still could not have access to the page. Well, what're you gonna do about it?! --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 02:17, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Me? Um... nothing? --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 02:45, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::It's an expression- you've never heard it before?--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 03:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Sasuke picture ==
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== Nature release? ==
   
Should we add the part of the manga where Sasuke made the decision to protect Konoha next to the latest addition to Sasuke's personality? I think it is appropriate, but that is just me. [[Special:Contributions/65.188.41.37|65.188.41.37]] ([[User talk:65.188.41.37|talk]]) 01:30, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we list Sasuke as having all the different chakra natures, since he's a Rinnegan user? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 07:51, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
:I think so too. VanillaSky[[Special:Contributions/109.100.202.96|109.100.202.96]] ([[User talk:109.100.202.96|talk]]) 13:54, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Daggers ==
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:[[#Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities]]
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:[[Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 9#All 5 elements]]
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:'''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 08:02, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Can sombody add daggers to wepons, he used them against Kakashi in the genin survival thing. --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 21:39, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sasuke and Naruto/Indra and Asura ==
:He is listed as a user. It's just not showing. If you click the tool link that gives a list, you'll see it listed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:36, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Sensor? ==
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Before you shoot this down, hear me out to a certain degree. Sasuke and Naruto are reincarnations of Indra and Asura, as we all know. What I don't understand is, why don't we add them to their respective Family Categories? Something like 'Asura (Past Life)' for Naruto and 'Indra (Past Life)' for Sasuke? Not only THAT, why don't we also add 'Hashirama Senju (Past Life)' and 'Madara Uchiha (Past Life)' for each of them, respectively? If not that, at least add 'Reincarnation' to their Classification boxes.
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[[User:ExyleCage|ExyleCage]] ([[User talk:ExyleCage|talk]]) 19:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)ExyleCage--[[User:ExyleCage|ExyleCage]] ([[User talk:ExyleCage|talk]]) 19:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Given how he also sensed Naruto's chakra from such a long distance, it would appear Sasuke is a sensor type too.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 00:57, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
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:Naruto and Sasuke are not related in blood to Ashura and Indra, so there's no reason to list them or Madara and Hashirama as family members. And how does being a reincarnation equal family? As for the classification, I suppose that could be done. <span style="font-size:MEDIUM;font-family:segoe print;color:purple;">[[User:Yuri Bara|<span style="color:purple;">Yuri</span>]] [[User talk:Yuri Bara|<span style="color:#4B0082;">Bara</span>]]</span> 19:39, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
:I think you missed the part Orochimaru states none of them there were sensors. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:17, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Jutsus ==
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:Thank you. --[[User:ExyleCage|ExyleCage]] ([[User talk:ExyleCage|talk]]) 20:34, August 11, 2014 (UTC)ExyleCage
   
These are some Jutsus by Sasuke that need to be added to his Jutsu section :
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Damn Jesus... the reincarnates aren't reincarnations of Ashura and Indra literary, there's no rebirth going on, get this into your heads finally. What reincarnates into their descendants is their chakras, not souls. Ashura and Indra AREN'T their past lives, they are all separate individuals--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:30, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shield of Black Flames - Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama - Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique - Chidori - Chidori Current - Chidori Senbon - Susanoo - Kirin - Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique - Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique - Lion Combo - Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
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== Sasuke's Tsukuyomi ==
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I believe Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi. Refer to these 2 pictures. The first shows a replica image of Bee in Tsukuyomi and the second has Danzou stating it.{{noLinks}}{{unsigned|Krikara}}
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:These translations you posted aren't official. Danzō said: "Even though it's impressive you put me in a genjutsu, unlike Itachi's Tsukuyomi, your genjutsu doesn't alter the victim's perception of time. There's the same difference as between heaven and earth". While Sasuke ''may'' have an imperfect Tsukuyomi, it was never stated he actually ''has'' it. Until the moment Sasuke uses a genjutsu that alters the victim's perception of time or someone in the manga says he has Tsukuyomi, it's speculative.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 07:32, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Okay, but how about Bee's case? That looks like a picture perfect of Tsukuyomi. Also, considering the fact that Sasuke currently uses Itachi's eyes, doesn't that also imply he is able to cast Tsukuyomi? IIRC, your occullar powers are dependent upon the eye and not the user. This held true to Shisui's eye being used by Danzou and the Crow. [[User:Krikara|Krikara]] ([[User talk:Krikara|talk]]) 07:41, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi up until now. Even when he had to free Itachi from Tayuya's genjutsu in the battle against Kabuto, he used a simple [[genjutsu: Sharingan]] while his older brother resorted to Tsukuyomi. Against B, it's true that the color scheme of Sasuke's genjutsu was the same as Itachi's Tsukuyomi, but against Danzō it was different.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 07:47, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: Look closely at those pictures. After casting that "genjutsu", his right is hurting, the supposed Tsukuyomi eye. ALONG with the picture, the fact that Sasuke uses Itachi's Tsukuyomi eye seals the case. When Madara gave the Rinnegan to Obito, Obito can use the Rinnegan. When Danzou uses Shisui's eye, it activates Shisui's special ability. [[User:Krikara|Krikara]] ([[User talk:Krikara|talk]]) 07:54, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: In chapter 462, Sasuke holds his right eye after using a regular Sharingan genjutsu (strangely enough) so that alone isn't enough. Also, Eternal Mangekyo transplants work differently than regular ones, and as far as we've seen, they don't seem to grant the donor's techniques to the recipient.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 08:02, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: Which transplants are you referring to? Shisui's eye was in MS form and still retained its original technique. The only EMS transplant other than Sasuke was Madara and we don't know much about Izuna. Unless you want to consider Obito receiving the Rinnegan as a transplant as well, in which case he was able to use the Rinnegan powers. [[User:Krikara|Krikara]] ([[User talk:Krikara|talk]]) 08:16, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
If i found more, I'll post them right away (:
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The Mangekyō has one 'main' technique per eye, along with Susanoo when both are unlocked. Itachi had Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu (same for Madara), Obito and Kakashi had/has dual Kamui, Shisui had dual Kotoamatsukami and Sasuke has Amaterasu and Blaze release. There's a reason Kishi specifies which eye he uses when he uses for both. There's no reason, Eternal Mangekyō or not, that he'd have more ocular techniques than before. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 10:58, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
:They are already added, it's due to a coding problem that they aren't showing up at the moment. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 11:51, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Dis gonna be interesting once Kishi changes his mind again and backtracks to Susanoo requiring Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in Kakashi's case.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:01, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:Madara didn't have Tsuku and Ama, Sasuke has Ama and Kagutsuchi. Both are Blaze Release, but Itachi has Blaze Release, too. Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi because in instances where he used a Genjutsu, it was never a Tsukuyomi, even if a Tsukuyomi would've helped more. Remember, the only Tsukuyomi user we have confirmed is Itachi and as long as his version is the only one, we can't say for sure if Tsukuyomi can be different if used by someone else. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:05, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke without altering his perception of time and without the whole black/white background thing, so both aren't mandatory parts of the technique.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::During the fight against Kabuto? Hm, you're right. Well, okay then. That leaves us with [why didn't Sasuke ever use it, for example against Itachi in the same fight]? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:12, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ignore this post, By mistake (:
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::Amaterasu isn't Blaze Release, to my knowledge. If I remember correctly, Blaze Release functions almost identically to Magnet Release; manipulating a pre-existing element, which in this case is the flames of Amaterasu created with the other eye. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 11:13, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::And Magnet Releases manipulates which pre-existing element exactly? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:19, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Well, maybe elements was the wrong word, but anything that is or can be made magnetic really. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 11:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
--[[User:LaRoux4Life|LaRoux4Life]] ([[User talk:LaRoux4Life|talk]]) 20:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
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:: @User:Seelentau If Madara's moon eye plan was to reflect his eye to cast Tsukuyomi over the entire planet, then wouldn't that imply he can use Tsukuyomi?
   
== Something wrong with Infobox ==
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::Also, Sasuke's right eye is replaced by Itachi's right eye that can cast Tsukuyomi. All ocular powers stay consistent to the eye when transfered, so Sasuke should be able to use Tsukuyomi due to having Itachi's eyes. [[User:Krikara|Krikara]] ([[User talk:Krikara|talk]]) 09:54, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
I think there's something wrong with the infoboxes of pages such as [[Sasuke Uchiha]], [[Kimimaro]], [[Jugo]] and I don't know how many more.. {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|07:29, 5/31/2013}}
 
   
Found another: [[Shisui Uchiha]].. but how come there's nothing wrong with pages like [[Sakura Haruno]]?? {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|07:31, 5/31/2013}}
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@See;. not just against Kabuto, but also Sasuke vs Itachi.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:24, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Seems like some extension was temporarily disabled. Its back to normal now.--'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 14:32, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
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@Atrix, Magnet Releases molds magnetic chakra, so it is its own element and doesn't control another. There's no reason to believe Blaze Release is an exception. Unless proven otherwise, it has to be a mix of two natures.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Yes, Magnet Release changes the chakra's nature to a magnetic one. Blaze Release changes it to black flames, just like Katon does. Also, Sasuke used Kagutsuchi on Amaterasu without adding the Blaze Release. Why didn't he add it? Because the black flames were already there. @Elve, I know, I know^^ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:28, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::He still used his right eye for the Kagutsuchi, which is the Blaze Release eye. It says directly on the Blaze Release page that it manipulates, not creates or anything else, the black flames, so we have no reason to assume he can do so without it. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 11:35, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Interesting Fun Fact ==
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The point is that manipulating a nature doesn't require another nature. So logically, Amaterasu has to be Blaze Release itself for Kagatsuchi being Blaze Release to make sense--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:38, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Yes, because his right eye is the Kagutsuchi eye. There is no Blaze Release eye. The Blaze Release article is not entirely correct because we can't seem to reach a consensus. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:39, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sasuke has fought 3 Jincuuriki. Gaara, Bee, Naruto and each time survived.. if not won. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:19, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Missing-nin ==
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Then strangely enough, why is Amaterasu not Blaze Release? Because the databook claimed it was the highest level of Fire Release? What if Blaze Release ''is'' the highest level of Fire Release? What other element could possibly be used in Blaze Release that isn't Fire Release? Do advanced natures always have to include two natures rather than taking one to the highest level? I think it's ridiculous that manipulating a substance requires another nature. That sounds silly. But until Amaterasu is proven to be Blaze Release, well... we really can't reach a consensus. Like @Elveo says, popular opinion isn't fact I guess... [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 19:00, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because BR wasn't a thing back then. Also, every release so far changed the chakra nature before releasing it. There's no reason to believe otherwise in this case. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:15, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Should we still consider him an international missing-nin in the introduction paragraph? He is now considering returning. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 01:55, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Okay, Sasuke now has Itachi's eyes. Can anyone prove that Sasuke is unable to use Tsukuyomi now? In the past, Shisui's mangekyou has been transferred to various subjects and the ability remained constant. Madara's Rinnegan was also given to Obito and Obito could then use Rinnegan abilities. Is there anywhere in the manga that proves Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi and/or abilities aren't bound to the eye? [[User:Krikara|Krikara]] ([[User talk:Krikara|talk]]) 09:58, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:We don't need to prove that he is unable to use it. Necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. You started this discussion, so it's your job to provide evidence for what you're saying. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:40, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I did provide evidence. I've stated multiple times that abilities remain consistent with the eye and not the user, but people conveniently avoided these statements. People can argue that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi, but that doesn't disprove my claim. Sasuke received Itachi's eyes, therefore he can use Tsukuyomi. Case closed. [[User:Krikara|Krikara]] ([[User talk:Krikara|talk]]) 10:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He never used it, he wasn't stated to be able to use it, he had situations where using it would've been the best way to go, we don't know if there's a difference between transplanting the eye (as Kakashi and Danzo did) or merging the eye with another (like Sasuke and Madara did). We have no clear evidence that he used it, ''theoretically'' he can use it, ''practically'' he didn't. So we don't add him. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:09, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::There's no merger done Seel. Host's eyes are replaced with the donor's, that's it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:18, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Ah, I forgot the chapter when the procedure of that operation was shown... it was chapter #neverever, wasn't it? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:21, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
He isn't considering, he has definitely chosen to return. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 03:22, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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It was called a transplant each time, there's not even a suggestion of any merger of eyes done.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:23, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:Then why do the forms merge? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::What Sharingan actually is, is Uchiha brain chakra affecting optic nerve. The pattern we know as Sharingan is basically because of the chakra. The donor's eyes have his chakra in them, so when the host transplants them, his and the donor's chakras mix in the eyes, hence mixed pattern--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:06, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Okay. But still: We have no clear evidence that he used it, ''theoretically'' he can use it, ''practically'' he didn't. So we don't add him. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:10, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
Officially, I would say he is still a Missing-nin. After the war is a different story, but in the minds of Konoha (as a whole) he is probably still an enemy. If not, then Kish made it too easy for him to get back in the good graces of everything, which kind of cheapens his redemption and other things. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 04:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== Six Paths? ==
   
== Mangekyo Error ==
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Sasuke hasn't used the Six Paths so why has it been added to his infobox?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 12:56, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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: The generic Chibaku Tensei, that Sasuke used, is a power derived from Deva Path, which is one of the seven powers granted from the Six Paths Technique.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]], 9:00, September 10, 2014
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:Sasuke's case is no different than Obito's and Madara's, I dunno why this is a question. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 13:29, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok we've seen in two chapters (619 and 620) Sasuke with his original Mangekyo shape...now this makes no sense in-series wise...Madara never displayed his original Mangekyo shap after gaining the EMS...soo i'd say this was a mistake on the creator's part...any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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==Missing Jutsu==
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Sasuke seems to be missing some jutsu in his infobox, like [[Summoning: Lightning Flash Blade Creation]] and [[Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama]] They don't even appear in Semantic search. What's going on? Am I The only clueless one >.<?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 20:31, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
They are confirmed errors, as in the latest chapters he is shown with EMS, even UNS3 got his render art wrong, putting his normal ms instead of his ems, I guess they are not used to him having it so they keep drawing his original mangekyo on accident [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:21, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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I see them. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 20:39, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Wrong, Madara was shown with his MS after becoming a Konohagakure shinobi, so after already having EMS. Nowhere it's said that they can't switch both--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:31, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Lightning Release Affinity ==
   
:If you're referring to that flashback of his confrontation with Muu and Oonoki, we can't say for certain that he was even using his Mangekyou Sharingan there, considering the distance. Regarding Sasuke, we'll have to see if the appearance of his Mangekyou Sharingan remains the same in the volume release. [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:52, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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I tried looking in the past archives if this was brought up or not, but in an episode of ''Naruto Shippuden'' (either [[Rivals]] or [[Rift]]) Sasuke channels his chakra into a piece of [[chakra paper]] and it crumples showing that his chakra has an affinity for lightning release. Shouldn't his infobox have affinity next to his Lightning Release nature type? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 08:55, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
The picture of Team Kakashi summoning their respective summons should be posted on all three of their pages. [[User:ThatBoy Gibson|ThatBoy Gibson]] ([[User talk:ThatBoy Gibson|talk]]) 01:45, June 10, 2013 (UTC)ThatBoyGibson
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:I want to say it should still be there. It is possible that "affinity" in the infobox was done away with, to be honest it's hard to trace because so much discussion is now taking place off Talk Pages.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:17, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::It happened in Rivals, Shippuden episode 258. I wasn't that found of that line of filler episodes, but it could explain why Kakashi taught Sasuke a lightning technique despite being a Uchiha (although Kishimoto might not thought of the current system with chakra natures). [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 16:12, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

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Susanoo flight? Edit

At what point in 676 did Sasuke's Susanoo fly? He was clearly jumping with it.--Reliops (talk) 20:04, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

And changing direction mid-air? ...--Elveonora (talk) 22:50, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Well, in chapter 677, Sasuke's Susanoo is clearly flying! --Sir M (talk) 16:28, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan inofobox iconEdit

It is possible to change a infobox icon of Sasuke's Rinnegan from generic purple one to his own version ? 従え 09:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Yata Mirror? Edit

There's never been a mention of it but is that the Yata Mirror in this pic? http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130919130943/naruto/images/b/ba/Sasuke_EMS%27s_Susanoo.png Arrancar79 (talk) 23:35, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

I believe it was stated somewhere that the shield there is actually a bigger version of the Susanoo's bow weapon, with a shield-like appearance. Atrix471 (talk) 23:42, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Why are we acting like it's not confirmed that Sasuke's Rinnegan allows him to resist Infinite Tsukuyomi?Edit

I just noticed in the artice that it says it maybe the reason he can resist it be but in every single translation I've read it outright states that his Rinnegan is what allows Sasuke and his Susanoo too resist the effects of the Infinite Tsukuyomi.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 15:22, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

From the article: "Black Zetsu also alluded that Sasuke's Rinnegan may be the reason why he was able resist the influence of the Infinite Tsukuyomi."--~UltimateSupreme 15:29, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

The more correct version would be like "Black Zetsu stated that Sasuke's Rinnegan is the reason as why he is able to resist the Infinite Tsukuyomi"

The one currently suggests we don't know the reason when we do know the reason which is do too his Rinnegan.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 13:28, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan Color Edit

How do we know for sure that red is the color of his sharingan, I mean the official color volume isn't out yet. I mean I know there has been some fans who have been able to give the manga color, but I don't think official. Or is there an official color manga already out that's canon that shows what color his eye is?????--Ankhael (talk) 11:48, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

The Weekly Shōnen Jump has released a colored version of chapter #676 which depicts that Sasuke's Rinnegan is red-colored. And it's considered official like chapter #638. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 11:55, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh ok, thanks well I guess this raise more questions about rinnegan. Maybe sasuke has the ultimate form of rinnegan.. --Ankhael (talk) 11:59, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah what about, shinju beast, kaguya, and Madara's third eye?--Ankhael (talk) 12:01, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

@Shak, now you confuse me... was chapter 676 part of the digital volume release of the whole manga or a separate thing? Because if it was the digital volume coloration, then that's not really canon no matter how official. Once the volume cover comes out and it depicts Sasuke's Rinnegan as purple, then that's canon--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Elve-kun. If you read the chapter's article trivia section. You'll understand what I'm saying and I didn't say canon. @Ankhael: Shinju's eye is red according to volume #64 cover. Madara's third eye is also red from the same chapter. For Kaguya's eye, no colored version of it. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 12:11, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
Latest chapter pretty much confirms that Madara's third eye also is a Rinnegan, therefore so is Kaguya's and Kaguya's presumably the same as Shinju's, so the eye most likely indeed is red, although I still would like a volume cover confirmation :)--Elveonora (talk) 12:30, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm new and just want to say, sasuke's rinnegan is nine tomoed, see 673 there's 3 row of magatamas, should be nine right? Rizki2013 (talk) 18:04, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

This has been discussed. It's the general consensus that since the six tomoe depiction is more common that it's the correct number. Also, this has its own thread on Sasuke's talk page and the Rinnegan one. Atrix471 (talk) 18:07, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
I wonder when Elveonora will realize that the volume covers are done by the same people who do the digital releases? But of course, cherry picking is easier, I suppose. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:20, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
I'm gonna assume every tomoe Rinnegan is also red, because of the Ten-Tails' eye and Sasuke's. But I'm just a crazy person.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:22, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
Apparently we both are. I mean, even by Elveonora's logic (which makes no sense, but for the sake of this argument, I'll entertain it), the Shinju's eye was colored red in a volume cover not all that long ago. But, of course, Kishimoto might've suddenly decided to color it rainbow (and then had Shueisha do it for him, since he doesn't color his manga), and then we'd have to change that. Pity. /sarcasm I'll add it to the article. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

@Foxie, are you 100% sure those volume covers are done by the digital guys, like 100% or just your intuition?--Elveonora (talk) 18:49, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely 100% certain. Kishimoto decides the colors but he doesn't color them himself. The publisher ultimately makes the final call (as is the case anytime you write anything and publish it through a publisher) and then they have an art team that does the colorings. If I'm not mistaken, Kishimoto's assistant has done a color page before, but I'm not certain if that is true or not. What I do know is that he doesn't color the volume covers. The publisher does. He also does not do the color pages. The publisher decides when it is appropriate and does it themselves. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 19:15, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
Well, just to inform you guys, we're probably going to see the color of Sasuke's Rinnegan next week because there's going to be a center-color page and a poster in the chapter. Here's the link. Anyway, my money's definitely on red.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 20:05, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
Again, the people that do those pages are the same ones that have been putting out the other colorings. It will be red, the same as it always has been. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 20:10, May 28, 2014 (UTC)
Ok guys, so which variant is more official? The one from the coloring, or the one from the cover page? Right now it seems as though the purple variant is considered official in the article. Xfing (talk) 16:34, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

This is an old topic. The volume cover has shown it is purple. End of story. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 16:41, August 7, 2014 (UTC)

Chidori Eisō? Edit

Didn't find it was discussed before. Who decided Sasuke used Chidori Eisō both the latest chapter and to bisect Madara? He is obviously using partial Susanoo transformation, only it is Susanoo's sword rather than hand this time. Faust-RSI (talk) 14:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure how small you think the Susanoo's sword is, but that was definitely not the Susanoo sword. Sasuke can't just manifest a sword, he needs to manifest the rib-cage, the arm and then the sword IN the hand. He can't avoid steps. Atrix471 (talk) 14:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
The latest events just show that he CAN, both avoid steps AND resize the sword. It looks nothing like Chidori Eisō. Faust-RSI (talk) 15:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
It looks exactly like Chidori Sharp Spear. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:14, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
May you remind me since when Eiso has a guard and blade-like shape? Faust-RSI (talk) 15:37, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
For quite a while now actually. It already had sword-like shape tens of chapters back--Elveonora (talk) 15:44, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Maybe I missed it, but what about gourd? It's hard to miss, I'm pretty sure he never had it.Faust-RSI (talk) 15:48, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
There's no gourd, at least I can't see it. Chapter/page?--Elveonora (talk) 15:53, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Counting colour spread as one page, it 7 page, the best is the last frame after Sasuke teleported. You can clearly see the guard and the grip. Faust-RSI (talk) 15:59, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Check the technique's manga debut. It looked like that when he pierced Oro too.--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, found it, thanks. Faust-RSI (talk) 16:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan's unmentioned ability... Edit

File:Sasuke First Person View.jpg

I've read through Sasuke's Abilities section and I want to point something out. In chapter 678, page 4 it implies that Sasuke's Rinnegan has the ability to see the into the dreams of the shinobi trapped in the Infinite Tsukuyomi. It looks the same as the first person view as the Byakugan, the colour is just not inverted, as seen in the official coloured version. Should it be mentioned or is it trivial? Sparxs77 (talk) 20:42, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

That is not him looking into them. It is done to show us what some of the victims are going thought. Similer to Narutos sage training he was feeling a sense of danger for his village and we kept on seeing the village under attack. Does that mean he has super vision?
Besides what does seeing a into a persons IT dream have to do with him teleporting"?" around the battlefeild before the IT is cast? --Darkhunter-X (talk) 21:02, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, no. Kishi was just showing us some of the Allied Shinobi Forces' dreams. Sasuke's Rinnegan had nothing to do with it. WindStar7125 (talk) 21:03, June 6, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

New part II pic Edit

How about using this from the latest episode, as his infobox part II pic? He looks a bit angry maybe, but at least not so close-up as the other one. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 21:57, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

 Support — Seems better than the current image. It looks good as well and it's rare that we find a smiling Sasuke image. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 22:31, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
I'll change it then --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 23:36, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
Granted the art of the image is not as good as the previous one, but this is a better image. The other one was too up-close in his face, and you couldn't see the top of his head. The Obito image has the same problem, and I think that should be changed as well. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:57, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
The new image has shadow all over his face and is unsuitable because of it.
I like this, or at least I like it better than the current or previous. ~SnapperTo 18:15, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
I would still say I prefer the current one. Yes it has shadows on his face (maybe we'll get a better one in the next few episodes). But I just thinks he looks more..... alive.. In the one you suggested he have very dead eyes, as far as I think. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 21:56, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
I agree, I think we can find a better Part II image than the current one, but I don't like Snapper's image, mainly because he looks exhausted and barely awake. And though the art of the prior image was spectacular, it was too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, where as the Part I image shows all of Sasuke's head, and I think both images need to be consistent with how much of the character they show (and that goes for every character's infobox images). --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:33, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Well at least the next chapter will probably feature Sasukes group in the entire chapter, so maybe we get lucky there --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 08:24, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Why wait? Why hope for luck? Why not find some other image from one of the other 300 episodes of Shippuden that does not have the current's shadows? ~SnapperTo 07:29, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

I got some good pics from episode 366 of Sasuke close up. I'll upload them and you guys can choose what you want. They are Here and also here

WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task 18:19, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's part II image was just changed last week, there's really no need to change it again. Besides, between stretching and a bit of blurriness, none of these are the same quality as the current image. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:00, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I just put in a better quality image. Somebody was deleting my uploads, so it forced my hand. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task 18:13, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

I don't like the one you have put up now, He just looks wrong. I'm changing it back, until we reach an agreement on this point, and please don't change it until we agree on something here. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 21:18, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well, what was wrong with it? WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task 21:25, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

His hair covers to much of his face I think, if you try and compare to the current one. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 21:28, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
But the current image does not really look too much like Sasuke- the character model just looks "off." I propose we change it back to WindStar's image until we can find a perfect picture that satisfies everyone. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 01:24, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
I agree.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 04:54, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

That's exactly what I thought, Kirin98. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task 05:55, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

I can't agree with you on this one bit. But if it's the opinion of the majority then I'll have to go along with it. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 08:35, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
Why are people changing the image just because they can? I see literally no consensus here for any of the suggested images and if I can find the image that was being used long before this message was added, I'll add it back in (assuming it even exists). Also, why is there an obsessive need to keep changing the image in the infobox? Pick one and leave it there. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 08:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
File:Sasuke Shippuden.png ~SnapperTo 08:46, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
But the problem is that it is too zoomed in onto his face, and you can't see his entire head like you can in the Part I image. It's inconsistent. We had the same problem with the Obito image, and that was fixed, and so therefore, I think this should as well. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 17:43, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
It might be zoomed in "too close", but it's the image that had a consensus. None of the images that have been suggested have any consensus for use, hence why the original image that had a consensus was restored. If you can indeed generate a consensus on this, then it can be changed: for sake of not clogging the TP up with discussion on this, it might be prudent to make a thread and add a topic of the article for more notice. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 12:23, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

The Last Uchiha Edit

Since both Madara and Obito are now listed as "deceased", should Sasuke be mentioned that he's the sole survivor of the Uchiha Clan within his introductory paragraph?--The Zeitgeist (talk) 04:47, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. So, I say proceed.--Hockey Machete (talk) 05:59, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Alright then.--The Zeitgeist (talk) 06:06, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke has 9 tomoe in his rinnegan Edit

sorry guys I don't mean to start an argument but, sasuke has 9 tomoe in his rinnegan. I know that his rinnegan also appeared to have 6 as well later on, but that was after he had used his teleport ability. in the chapter where sasuke's rinnegan was first shown, he had 9 tomoe in his left eye. let me explain. in the first chapter in which his rinnegan was first shown, if you look at the rings in sasuke's rinnegan, you'll notice that on the first 3 rings he has a total of 9 tomoe, then later after he use his ability he appear to only appeared to have tomoe on the first 2 rings, having a total of 6. who knows if this is a drawing error, but when his rinnegan was first shown he had a total of 9, appearing on the first 3 rings in his rinnegan.--Ankhael (talk) 14:36, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

He was consistantly depicted with six Tomoe. If there's a reason for him sometimes having more or if Kishimoto screwed up, we don't know. For now, he has six. • Seelentau 愛 14:46, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

only after he was using it consistantly, however you right. I still think its appropriate to add that he did infact 9 tomoe before he used and battled with madara.--Ankhael (talk) 14:51, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

kishi has also consistently drew the jubi with six tomoe on occasions.--Ankhael (talk) 14:57, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Dude, I've tried to argue this before. It's not going to persuade anyone. WindStar7125 (Talk) WindStar7125 (talk) 15:50, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

He was shown with nine tomoe once, and with six in every panel they're visible since. Six until there's substantial reason to say differently. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:12, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Aw, come on Omnibender, at least you can make a small trivia, make a little note that "when sasuke first appear with his rinnegan, it appeared to have nine tomoe, later it was depicted with six tomoe".--Ankhael (talk) 16:32, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

I'm sure that already is stated somewhere.--Elveonora (talk) 16:49, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Once again, Elve, no it isn't. WindStar7125 (Talk) WindStar7125 (talk) 17:34, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
It will likely be placed in the page of drawing errors (because yes, it is a drawing error). There is no need for a Trivia point here since it has been consistently shown with six since then. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 17:48, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

"Like the Shunshin no jutsu Edit

  • In the mangastream translation, Naruto said that Sasuke was able to move around LIKE the shunshin no jutsu...... what does that mean & was it an accurate translation? If so, should it then be added to his abilities
    • Sasuke has the ability to move around likened to the shunshin no jutus
Or something like that?--Deathmailrock (talk) 07:30, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
The translations of this weeks chapter are even worse than they usually are, so we can't really tell yet. Please wait for me to get my hands on and translate the raws. :) • Seelentau 愛 08:23, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

at this point Edit

Wouldn't it make sense to create an article for the teleportation technique? I mean, we've made for Kaguya's techniques, so why not his?--Elveonora (talk) 23:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I can't agree yet. We don't even know what it does. So far we've seen Sasuke disappear and then reappear. Sure we've seen him do it a few times now, but combine that with Naruto's comment that it is "like the shunshin", and even then we don't know what it does. Vanishing and then reappearing isn't worth an article. When we see its mechanics, like if he has to focus his eye, or if he simply has to focus to teleport, then we can do something with it. Otherwise, we simply don't know enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 23:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I wouldn't oppose waiting, but latest chapter made it clear (to me at least) that it is space-time ninjutsu. Shunshin is simply fast movement and unless Sasuke's so fast that he can walk through air, he teleported himself and Naruto to Kaguya--Elveonora (talk) 23:54, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Honestly I think Naruto was comparing it to Hiraishin, which gets called shunshin a lot lately for some reason. I agree with you, but again, disappearing and then suddenly reappearing isn't special. Even Konohamaru can do that. Until something happens to distinguish it, though, I see no need. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 23:57, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Fair points, but if we don't learn anything more about this technique soon, then I propose we create a page about the technique and we give it the name ourselves. For instance, we created the names of techniques like "Dimensional Shifting", "Space-Time Portal", and "Black Zetsu Merging Technique." And to be honest, we know even less about those techniques than Sasuke's teleportation technique. Let me know how you feel about this. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 20:47, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
How do you figure? We know exactly what those techniques do. "Dimensional Shifting" allows Kaguya to rewrite reality to create new dimensions, as per Kakashi's own explanations, the "Space-Time Portal" is obvious. She creates a portal and teleports with it. We've always known what "Black Zetsu Merging" does and his "Recording" technique has existed since Part I. I think you're getting antsy because we created pages that have no official name for Kaguya and Zetsu, but don't acknowledge that not only do we not have a name for Sasuke's Rinnegan technique, we also don't know what the hell it does. Seriously. One moment he (or his sword) is in one location, the next moment he is elsewhere. That is all we know. That does not constitute a page. Hell, that doesn't even constitute a Trivia point. All we know about it is on his article and should remain that way until we actually get some mechanics here. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 21:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
Once again, fair points. But I wouldn't count on an explanation on how it works- if there would be one, it would have been in 674 when it was introduced. What we do know is that he can teleport himself and other people and objects a great distance. He can also use this ability to switch places with another person or object. There is a limited space in which he can use this technique, and it is compared to Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique. All that information above is, in my opinion, worthy of an article. That being said, if the mechanics are never explained and/or the technique is never given a name, are we still not planning on creating a page for the technique? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 14:12, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
What do you think of the points I've made? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 13:12, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
Once again, my question remains unanswered. If there is nothing more that we learn about Sasuke's technique at any point in the series, will we still not create a page for Sasuke's Rinnegan teleportation technique, or will we actually create a page with our own name and explanation? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 18:50, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
No we will not. Vanishing and reappearing can be chalked up to a Body Flicker Technique, for one. So if this is all we get on it, then tough pancakes. We're not in the business of inventing explanations when we have none. In every instance of the technique being used, we get too panels. One where Sasuke is standing still, and the next he's a few yards away. Again, Body Flicker can accomplish this too. The only reason we even know its Rinnegan-related is because Madara said he was starting to "figure out" Sasuke's "eye power". That still tells us absolutely nothing about it. Right now, it is documented. Everything we know about it is contained in a sentence (we literally only have a sentence worth's of explanation about it), which is also referenced, in his Rinnegan section. If and when it is explained, be it in the manga, or a databook, then a page can be made. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 19:39, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
Like I've said, you make fair points, and I don't disagree with you. However, I just have the issue that there are pages like Black Zetsu's recording ability, and we know virtually nothing about how it works or it's real name. Besides, I think more people than you and I should be the ones to decide the course of this dilemma. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:18, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
I, again, am telling you that you are being very narrow sighted. Black Zetsu's recording ability has been known about since early Part II, and was used as far back as the end of Part I. We may not know how he does it, but we know what it does, what it has been used to do, and what its purpose is. Hence why there is a decent sized article about it, and only once sentence about this ability. There is no one else needed, its not going to be created with the information had. Period. Even if, by some act of God, you manage to get it created, Cerez, Ultimate, and Spey will immediately request its deletion (rightfully so) because they despise useless articles as it is. Drop it until we know more. Sasuke, so far, has done absolutely nothing special. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 22:37, July 8, 2014 (UTC)
Very well. Despite our differing opinions, I have enjoyed conversing with you about the subject. Thank you for your insight. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:58, July 8, 2014 (UTC)

Final Susanoo Edit

The abilities section says that 'Following the recovery of Itachi's transplant, the final stage of his Susanoo underwent a drastic change, with scaled hands, a beak-like hood and a larger bow, with a more shield-like appearance, giving it an overall more intimidating appearance.', however, Sasuke acquired this version of Susanoo during his fight with Kakashi and Team 7, which took place before the transplant.

Madara solos (talk) 12:21, June 26, 2014 (UTC)Madara solos

No. That was his Susanoo before the transplant, when he had the MS. It had teeth and looked like Itachi's. Check Sasuke's Susanoo gallery. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) 16:02, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

"Rinnegan Teleportation" Technique Page Edit

Given that we have created techniques that have not been given proper names such as "Black Zetsu Merging Technique", "Event Recording", "Dimensional Shifting", etc., I think we should create a page that revolves around Sasuke's teleportation abilities. For instance, we could call the technique "Rinnegan Teleportation", "Teleportation: Rinnegan", "Teleportation: Sasuke", or something more creative. What do you think? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 14:15, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha#at_this_point--Elveonora (talk) 15:23, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about that... That subheading title didn't really scream out "name of Sasuke's teleportation technique." --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 20:42, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
I have a thing for fancy titles--Elveonora (talk) 20:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities Edit

Shouldn't we add Water Style, Earth Style, and Wind Style to his Chakra Natures since he has the Rinnegan? Just because he hasn't used any of those natures, doesn't mean he doesn't have them. We did the same thing for the Sot6P and yet we never saw him use them. We also never saw Hagoromo, or Madara use the Six Paths Technique yet those were put on there. So shouldn't Sasuke have those Jutsu's and chakra natures added to his profile?Sanbi221 (talk) 21:36, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

I swear this thing has to be explained like every damned week. Rinnegan doesn't grant anyone natures, it simply allows him to learn them faster. I don't know the reasoning behind Hagoromo having all natures in his infobox. For Madara, he specifically told Obito that he would teach him Six Paths Technique, meaning he could use all 6. Hagoromo probably invented it, unless his mother did, in which case usage of all paths is questionable--Elveonora (talk) 21:42, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
Elveo is right. Except for the Madara thing. Madara has all 5 because he's actually used them not because of the Six Paths. Wood = Water + Earth, Fire (duh), Wind (fanned Gunbai), and Lightning (apart of storm release). -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 21:50, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
Oh I see. I've always been under the assumption that once you have the Rinnegan you're automatically granted all 5 Chakra Natures since every user except Obito and possibly Hagomoro has used it.Sanbi221 (talk) 02:29, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Personality SectionEdit

Hello, everyone. Yesterday, given the fact that Sasuke's page is now tagged for general cleanwork, I wanted to take the opportunity to trim down his personality section, something I wanted to do for a while now. However, a user kept reverting for who knows why. Not wanting to get into a edit war and get into trouble as result, I'm bringing this to the talk page. The main issue I have with his Sasuke's Personality section is that, for one thing, I've noticed repetitive sentences/already mentioned examples within the article. For example, the two passages below are taken directly from the section, and the issues are in bold:

"As time passed on with this new path of revenge and with further corruption by Tobi and the Uchiha curse, Sasuke had grown much more cruel and ruthless, with the remaining morality he showed during his time with Orochimaru fading rapidly. During Taka's attack on the Kage Summit, Sasuke killed anyone who stood in his way, not caring about his team, and after cornering Danzō, sacrificed Karin who got taken hostage to accomplish his goals of vengeance, and attempted to kill Karin along with his former team-mates and teacher whilst experiencing neither shame, guilt, nor remorse for any of his actions."

"Though, as he became more consumed by his thirst for vengeance, he showed that he cared little for them and saw them as no more than tools to achieve his hatred-fueled goals, quickly discarding them when they were no longer necessary. This is seen at the Kage Summit where he leaves Jūgo and Suigetsu behind, taking only Karin with him who could lead him to where Danzō was, as well as killing many samurai who stood in his way. He would later discard Karin as well, unhesitatingly piercing her just to kill Danzō and then attempted to finish her off to prevent her from being a burden in the future."

Though written slightly differently, you can the similarities. Also, I want to point out this, which is actually the beginning sentence of the second paragraph below: "Initially, Sasuke still held onto the notion of sparing the innocent and cooperation, witnessed in his creation of a new group of shinobi."

Then this is from another paragraph, about three paragraphs above from the the latter: "Despite getting stronger, Sasuke seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, displaying that he still had some morals left."

In the section, there are two sentences that stands alone together compared to the other paragraphs: "From his clan's massacre up until discovering the truth about Itachi, Sasuke was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru."

I felt like this was rather out there, and I wanted to find a place for it to place somewhere in the paragraph. So, I wanted to include in the following paragraph mentioning Sasuke's opnion on Orochimaru: "Despite claiming earlier that he did not care if he had to sacrifice his own body to Orochimaru as long as it served his quest for revenge, when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than the Sannin, he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha. However, despite his disrespect of Orochimaru as a person, Sasuke does have great respect for his power, going so far as to reprimand Suigetsu when he felt the latter was underestimating Orochimaru's capabilities."

It was also one of the parts that I edited last night, but was (again!) reverted: But this was the edit I made, as seen in the History: "Despite claiming earlier that he did not care if he had to sacrifice his own body to Orochimaru as long as it served his quest for revenge, when Sasuke felt he had grown stronger than the Sannin, he thought that to give himself up to someone weaker than himself was insulting to the Uchiha. Additionally, Sasuke was disgusted by how Orochimaru would toy with innocent lives for personal gain, as he believed Itachi had done. However, despite his disrespect of Orochimaru as a person, Sasuke does have great respect for his power, going so far as to reprimand Suigetsu when he felt the latter was underestimating Orochimaru's capabilities."

This was just a few edits I made yesterday. I also take some words that I felt over-exemplified. Nothing too big, though.--NinjaSheik 21:55, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Eehhh... Can we just trim this section down to two or three paragraphs? Does it really have to read as another biography? It's what we have the plot synopsis at the bottom for, right? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 00:51, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Doing that would be impossible. Sasuke isn't exactly a round character; he's dynamic. He changes with the story. I want to trim it down as much as possible, but again, apparently, a user is have issues with that. I want to revert to my edit again, but I can't do that without dragging myself into an edit war.--NinjaSheik 03:32, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

I feel that his personality traits can be detailed without delving into every plot twist 'n turn that has effected them. The Personality section(and I suppose this is true for many of the primary characters on this wiki) has always felt bloated to me because it's been referencing just about every plot point. As I said, it reads like some kind of biography, or a plot synopsis from the character's perspective. Is all that really necessary to describe how Sasuke acts? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 04:15, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with the point you're making, but trying trim it down to just two or three paragraphs? I don't know if that's possible.--NinjaSheik 19:38, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you're right. I'll be quiet now, as I now realize I'm kind of derailing your purpose in creating this topic.  ;) —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 20:27, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

No, it's okay. If you have ideas on how to improve the page, voice them. That's one of the purpose of having a talk page, after all. :) Besides, it doesn't matter anymore. Another user revamped the page. Although I still can't comprehend why my edit, even though it wasn't even big, was reverted without an explanation. :( Again, doesn't matter anymore.--NinjaSheik 20:34, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

First off, sorry for replying to you this late, my country was hit with a big typhoon a few days ago, which blacked out my place and made using the intenret, cable, and any other thing that runs on electricity pretty much impossible. I only just got your message now when the power finally came back on, but the powers' still unstable right now so I'm not sure how long the connection will last, so I'll apologize in advance if I don't respond to your response right away.

Anyway, the main reason why I kept undoing most of the edits was because I wanted to change it back to as close to the original as possible, then fix it so that it would be less redundant and more informative and detailed, and that includes the entirety of the Uchiha page. See, the original reason on why I started doing this was because of a user called Steve920, who kept editing the sections of Sasuke's Page very badly, (i.e. greammar mistakes, vague explanations, copy and paste from different sites, etc.) when the page was already more or less okay as it was. 

I waited for a few days to see if anyone would notice the mistakes and try to fix them, but they never did, so I had to fix it myself... And I admit I may have went a little oberboard with the editing and the undoing of edits (in other words, I pretty much lost it), but bad grammar and sloppy works of literature really set me off, especially if they only copied and pasted them of off some other site.

I also apologize for undoing most of your edits (though I'm not sure if I was the only one), but it didn't seam like there were any redundancies, at least, at the time. And to me, they looked more like previous interpretations of how others viewed Sasuke's personality from before up to now. Sort of like a record on the changes of his personality. And although I'm not sure on whether having a personality section that details the history of his past personality to his current one or a summary of his current personality is better for the page, I prefer the former, so that's what I chose.

But I see your point now on how it's a little repetitive (I mostly skimmed through the personality section and probably didn't see the repetitions before), like the mentioning of the Kage Summit Arc more than once for example. So how do you feel about melding the two:

"Initially, Sasuke still held onto the notion of sparing the innocent and cooperation, witnessed in his creation of a new group of shinobi. Though, as he became more consumed by his thirst for vengeance and with further corruption from Tobi and the Uchiha curse, Sasuke had grown much more cruel and ruthless, with the remaining morality he showed during his time with Orochimaru fading rapidly. This is seen at the Kage Summit, where he killed anyone who stood in his way, as well as leaving Jūgo and Suigetsu behind, taking only Karin with him who could lead him to where Danzō was, and later discarding her as well, unhesitatingly piercing her just to kill Danzō and then attempted to finish her off to prevent her from being a burden in the future, showing that he cared little for them and saw them as no more than tools to achieve his hate-fueled goals."

I didn't put the last paragraph you mentioned in because I think it would be better to include it like this:

"In Part II, Sasuke became increasingly confident in his newfound abilities. Constantly, he remained composed and unconcerned with the situation at hand. Even when pressured by enemies like Orochimaru or Deidara, he showed no emotional build up unless the situation involved Itachi, ironically acting just like his older brother. However, Sasuke still seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, displaying that he still had some morals left."

Edit: There were other things I mentioned as well, but the stupid editor page reloaded and deleted all of the things I typed, so this is all I could remember. Well, that, and that I think that this:

"From his clan's massacre up until discovering the truth about Itachi, Sasuke was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru."

Looks better along with this:

"In Part II, Sasuke became increasingly confident in his newfound abilities. Constantly, he remained composed and unconcerned with the situation at hand. Even when pressured by enemies like Orochimaru or Deidara, he showed no emotional build up unless the situation involved Itachi, ironically acting just like his older brother. However, Sasuke still seemed unwilling to needlessly kill in his quest for revenge, and was disgusted by anyone who would toy with innocent lives for personal gain as he believed Itachi had done. This also served as part of his reason for betraying Orochimaru. And displayed that he still had some morals left."

Thought about putting it where you put it but decided against it because I thought the flow of it wouldn't work. That's probably the reason why I undid your edit (or maybe it was because I grew distrustful of sudden edits due to my experiences with Steve920's edits). Well, that, and because taking down a few paragraphs or sentences won't even make a difference in the page's length, Naruto wiki character pages are almost always long, so I stopped trying to make them shorter a long time ago, I'm actually growing to like it in fact, mostly because you don't have to go to another page to see a character's personality or quotes or abilities and etcetera.


Well, I'll get back to you when I remember the rest. Once again sorry for replying to you this late and also for the wall of text. And I'll also put this on your profile page to make sure you get this. CroniclerX (talk) 05:31, July 17, 2014 (UTC) CroniclerX

I watch have Sasuke's page under my Watchlist, so I'll know when something changes on its main page or talk page. In any case, sent you a response via your talk page. Since another user already revamped the section, there's no need to discussion this issue further.--NinjaSheik 17:05, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Six PathsEdit

We should list Sasuke as a basic user of the six paths. Deva, Asura, Human, etc. we listed Obito as a user when he got the Rinnegan when he didn't use all of them, we should list Sasuke too. Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:18, July 17, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

I seem to recall someone saying that Obito was taught the six paths by Madara or something. Also we don't know what the tomoe Rinnegan can do in comparison with the standard one, so that's too guessy to take for fact. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:20, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
Obito was listed as a user because he actually used the Six Paths of Pain technique, which meant he automatically had the ability to use it. Sasuke has never been seen casting a Six Paths of Pain technique (or whatever it was), so listing him as a user is speculation. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 23:23, July 17, 2014 (UTC)


Infobox Rinnegan Image Edit

Now that we know Sasuke's Rinnegan is in fact the standard colour, but simply with 6 tomoe, the infobox image needs to be altered. --Atrix471 (talk) 01:58, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Bump... --Atrix471 (talk) 11:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
Kinda have no clue how to go about doing that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:22, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
Nor do I, which is why I asked on the talk page :P --Atrix471 (talk) 11:29, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
Just ask someone to make a new image? --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 11:43, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
Making an image isn't a problem, most of us are clueless about how to replace it in the infobox--Elveonora (talk) 11:52, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Page Protection Removal Edit

Can we remove the page protection on this article and the Rinnegan article now that the issue with Sasuke's Rinnegan colour has been dealt with? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:03, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

The page was unprotected literally a few minutes ago. --Atrix471 (talk) 02:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
That's really weird- when I wrote this, I still could not have access to the page. Well, what're you gonna do about it?! --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:17, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
Me? Um... nothing? --Atrix471 (talk) 02:45, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
It's an expression- you've never heard it before?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 03:06, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

Nature release? Edit

Shouldn't we list Sasuke as having all the different chakra natures, since he's a Rinnegan user? --Mandon (talk) 07:51, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

#Sasuke's Rinnegan abilities
Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 9#All 5 elements
~SnapperTo 08:02, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke and Naruto/Indra and Asura Edit

Before you shoot this down, hear me out to a certain degree. Sasuke and Naruto are reincarnations of Indra and Asura, as we all know. What I don't understand is, why don't we add them to their respective Family Categories? Something like 'Asura (Past Life)' for Naruto and 'Indra (Past Life)' for Sasuke? Not only THAT, why don't we also add 'Hashirama Senju (Past Life)' and 'Madara Uchiha (Past Life)' for each of them, respectively? If not that, at least add 'Reincarnation' to their Classification boxes. ExyleCage (talk) 19:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)ExyleCage--ExyleCage (talk) 19:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto and Sasuke are not related in blood to Ashura and Indra, so there's no reason to list them or Madara and Hashirama as family members. And how does being a reincarnation equal family? As for the classification, I suppose that could be done. Yuri Bara 19:39, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. --ExyleCage (talk) 20:34, August 11, 2014 (UTC)ExyleCage

Damn Jesus... the reincarnates aren't reincarnations of Ashura and Indra literary, there's no rebirth going on, get this into your heads finally. What reincarnates into their descendants is their chakras, not souls. Ashura and Indra AREN'T their past lives, they are all separate individuals--Elveonora (talk) 22:30, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke's Tsukuyomi Edit

I believe Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi. Refer to these 2 pictures. The first shows a replica image of Bee in Tsukuyomi and the second has Danzou stating it.[No links to scanalation sites allowed]—This unsigned comment was made by Krikara (talkcontribs) .

These translations you posted aren't official. Danzō said: "Even though it's impressive you put me in a genjutsu, unlike Itachi's Tsukuyomi, your genjutsu doesn't alter the victim's perception of time. There's the same difference as between heaven and earth". While Sasuke may have an imperfect Tsukuyomi, it was never stated he actually has it. Until the moment Sasuke uses a genjutsu that alters the victim's perception of time or someone in the manga says he has Tsukuyomi, it's speculative.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 07:32, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, but how about Bee's case? That looks like a picture perfect of Tsukuyomi. Also, considering the fact that Sasuke currently uses Itachi's eyes, doesn't that also imply he is able to cast Tsukuyomi? IIRC, your occullar powers are dependent upon the eye and not the user. This held true to Shisui's eye being used by Danzou and the Crow. Krikara (talk) 07:41, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi up until now. Even when he had to free Itachi from Tayuya's genjutsu in the battle against Kabuto, he used a simple genjutsu: Sharingan while his older brother resorted to Tsukuyomi. Against B, it's true that the color scheme of Sasuke's genjutsu was the same as Itachi's Tsukuyomi, but against Danzō it was different.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 07:47, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Look closely at those pictures. After casting that "genjutsu", his right is hurting, the supposed Tsukuyomi eye. ALONG with the picture, the fact that Sasuke uses Itachi's Tsukuyomi eye seals the case. When Madara gave the Rinnegan to Obito, Obito can use the Rinnegan. When Danzou uses Shisui's eye, it activates Shisui's special ability. Krikara (talk) 07:54, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
In chapter 462, Sasuke holds his right eye after using a regular Sharingan genjutsu (strangely enough) so that alone isn't enough. Also, Eternal Mangekyo transplants work differently than regular ones, and as far as we've seen, they don't seem to grant the donor's techniques to the recipient.--BeyondRed (talk) 08:02, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Which transplants are you referring to? Shisui's eye was in MS form and still retained its original technique. The only EMS transplant other than Sasuke was Madara and we don't know much about Izuna. Unless you want to consider Obito receiving the Rinnegan as a transplant as well, in which case he was able to use the Rinnegan powers. Krikara (talk) 08:16, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The Mangekyō has one 'main' technique per eye, along with Susanoo when both are unlocked. Itachi had Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu (same for Madara), Obito and Kakashi had/has dual Kamui, Shisui had dual Kotoamatsukami and Sasuke has Amaterasu and Blaze release. There's a reason Kishi specifies which eye he uses when he uses for both. There's no reason, Eternal Mangekyō or not, that he'd have more ocular techniques than before. --Atrix471 (talk) 10:58, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Dis gonna be interesting once Kishi changes his mind again and backtracks to Susanoo requiring Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi in Kakashi's case.--Elveonora (talk) 11:01, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Madara didn't have Tsuku and Ama, Sasuke has Ama and Kagutsuchi. Both are Blaze Release, but Itachi has Blaze Release, too. Sasuke does not have Tsukuyomi because in instances where he used a Genjutsu, it was never a Tsukuyomi, even if a Tsukuyomi would've helped more. Remember, the only Tsukuyomi user we have confirmed is Itachi and as long as his version is the only one, we can't say for sure if Tsukuyomi can be different if used by someone else. • Seelentau 愛 11:05, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Itachi used Tsukuyomi on Sasuke without altering his perception of time and without the whole black/white background thing, so both aren't mandatory parts of the technique.--Elveonora (talk) 11:07, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
During the fight against Kabuto? Hm, you're right. Well, okay then. That leaves us with [why didn't Sasuke ever use it, for example against Itachi in the same fight]? • Seelentau 愛 11:12, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Amaterasu isn't Blaze Release, to my knowledge. If I remember correctly, Blaze Release functions almost identically to Magnet Release; manipulating a pre-existing element, which in this case is the flames of Amaterasu created with the other eye. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:13, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
And Magnet Releases manipulates which pre-existing element exactly? • Seelentau 愛 11:19, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
Well, maybe elements was the wrong word, but anything that is or can be made magnetic really. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:21, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
@User:Seelentau If Madara's moon eye plan was to reflect his eye to cast Tsukuyomi over the entire planet, then wouldn't that imply he can use Tsukuyomi?
Also, Sasuke's right eye is replaced by Itachi's right eye that can cast Tsukuyomi. All ocular powers stay consistent to the eye when transfered, so Sasuke should be able to use Tsukuyomi due to having Itachi's eyes. Krikara (talk) 09:54, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

@See;. not just against Kabuto, but also Sasuke vs Itachi.--Elveonora (talk) 11:24, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

@Atrix, Magnet Releases molds magnetic chakra, so it is its own element and doesn't control another. There's no reason to believe Blaze Release is an exception. Unless proven otherwise, it has to be a mix of two natures.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Magnet Release changes the chakra's nature to a magnetic one. Blaze Release changes it to black flames, just like Katon does. Also, Sasuke used Kagutsuchi on Amaterasu without adding the Blaze Release. Why didn't he add it? Because the black flames were already there. @Elve, I know, I know^^ • Seelentau 愛 11:28, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
He still used his right eye for the Kagutsuchi, which is the Blaze Release eye. It says directly on the Blaze Release page that it manipulates, not creates or anything else, the black flames, so we have no reason to assume he can do so without it. --Atrix471 (talk) 11:35, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

The point is that manipulating a nature doesn't require another nature. So logically, Amaterasu has to be Blaze Release itself for Kagatsuchi being Blaze Release to make sense--Elveonora (talk) 11:38, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, because his right eye is the Kagutsuchi eye. There is no Blaze Release eye. The Blaze Release article is not entirely correct because we can't seem to reach a consensus. • Seelentau 愛 11:39, August 13, 2014 (UTC)


Then strangely enough, why is Amaterasu not Blaze Release? Because the databook claimed it was the highest level of Fire Release? What if Blaze Release is the highest level of Fire Release? What other element could possibly be used in Blaze Release that isn't Fire Release? Do advanced natures always have to include two natures rather than taking one to the highest level? I think it's ridiculous that manipulating a substance requires another nature. That sounds silly. But until Amaterasu is proven to be Blaze Release, well... we really can't reach a consensus. Like @Elveo says, popular opinion isn't fact I guess... WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 19:00, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Because BR wasn't a thing back then. Also, every release so far changed the chakra nature before releasing it. There's no reason to believe otherwise in this case. • Seelentau 愛 19:15, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, Sasuke now has Itachi's eyes. Can anyone prove that Sasuke is unable to use Tsukuyomi now? In the past, Shisui's mangekyou has been transferred to various subjects and the ability remained constant. Madara's Rinnegan was also given to Obito and Obito could then use Rinnegan abilities. Is there anywhere in the manga that proves Sasuke can't use Tsukuyomi and/or abilities aren't bound to the eye? Krikara (talk) 09:58, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

We don't need to prove that he is unable to use it. Necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit: the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges. You started this discussion, so it's your job to provide evidence for what you're saying. • Seelentau 愛 10:40, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
I did provide evidence. I've stated multiple times that abilities remain consistent with the eye and not the user, but people conveniently avoided these statements. People can argue that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi, but that doesn't disprove my claim. Sasuke received Itachi's eyes, therefore he can use Tsukuyomi. Case closed. Krikara (talk) 10:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
He never used it, he wasn't stated to be able to use it, he had situations where using it would've been the best way to go, we don't know if there's a difference between transplanting the eye (as Kakashi and Danzo did) or merging the eye with another (like Sasuke and Madara did). We have no clear evidence that he used it, theoretically he can use it, practically he didn't. So we don't add him. • Seelentau 愛 10:09, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
There's no merger done Seel. Host's eyes are replaced with the donor's, that's it.--Elveonora (talk) 10:18, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I forgot the chapter when the procedure of that operation was shown... it was chapter #neverever, wasn't it? • Seelentau 愛 10:21, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

It was called a transplant each time, there's not even a suggestion of any merger of eyes done.--Elveonora (talk) 10:23, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Then why do the forms merge? • Seelentau 愛 12:03, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
What Sharingan actually is, is Uchiha brain chakra affecting optic nerve. The pattern we know as Sharingan is basically because of the chakra. The donor's eyes have his chakra in them, so when the host transplants them, his and the donor's chakras mix in the eyes, hence mixed pattern--Elveonora (talk) 12:06, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
Okay. But still: We have no clear evidence that he used it, theoretically he can use it, practically he didn't. So we don't add him. • Seelentau 愛 12:10, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths? Edit

Sasuke hasn't used the Six Paths so why has it been added to his infobox?--Reliops (talk) 12:56, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

The generic Chibaku Tensei, that Sasuke used, is a power derived from Deva Path, which is one of the seven powers granted from the Six Paths Technique.—Steveo920 (Talk), 9:00, September 10, 2014
Sasuke's case is no different than Obito's and Madara's, I dunno why this is a question. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 13:29, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Missing JutsuEdit

Sasuke seems to be missing some jutsu in his infobox, like Summoning: Lightning Flash Blade Creation and Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama They don't even appear in Semantic search. What's going on? Am I The only clueless one >.<?--Omojuze (talk) 20:31, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

I see them. Munchvtec (talk) 20:39, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Lightning Release Affinity Edit

I tried looking in the past archives if this was brought up or not, but in an episode of Naruto Shippuden (either Rivals or Rift) Sasuke channels his chakra into a piece of chakra paper and it crumples showing that his chakra has an affinity for lightning release. Shouldn't his infobox have affinity next to his Lightning Release nature type? Banan14kab 08:55, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

I want to say it should still be there. It is possible that "affinity" in the infobox was done away with, to be honest it's hard to trace because so much discussion is now taking place off Talk Pages.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 11:17, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
It happened in Rivals, Shippuden episode 258. I wasn't that found of that line of filler episodes, but it could explain why Kakashi taught Sasuke a lightning technique despite being a Uchiha (although Kishimoto might not thought of the current system with chakra natures). Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:12, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

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