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== Sensor Ninja ==
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In The Boruto Movie, Sasuke Said He Could Still Sense Naruto's Chakra Even Though He Was Taken To A Different Planet/Dimension, Something Nobody Else Could Do. Shouldn't That Be Noted In His Page Somewhere? [[User:Bob1200|Bob1200]] ([[User talk:Bob1200|talk]]) 06:58, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
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:He is already listed as sensor.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 17:55, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
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::That's...Not What I'm Referring To. I'm Referring To His Ability To Sense Across Planets/Dimensions. I Feel Like It Should Be Noted In His Page Because Nobody Else Can Do It.[[User:Bob1200|Bob1200]] ([[User talk:Bob1200|talk]]) 23:12, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Can't they sense each other because of the whole being a half of rikudo's power thing?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:06, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Wasn't it that they lost the power after sealing Kaguya? [[User:Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong|Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong]] ([[User talk:Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong|talk]]) 13:39, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: Sasuke shouldn't be listed as a sensor type in the first place though, Elve. He can only detect Naruto due to Naruto having the other half of Hagoromo's chakra. He has shown no ability to sense others.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 20:10, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Age? ==
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I didn't add him as a sensor, whoever added him should reason so.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:37, November 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:@SuperSaiyaMan: When was such an ability between the two transmigrants even established? O.o--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 19:43, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Both Sasuke and Naruto were able to sense the Hagoromo chakra within each other. Hence why Naruto could sense Sasuke when he was in a different dimension and vice versa. Unlike Naruto however, Sasuke has shown no ability to sense other people's chakra.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 20:27, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::: Ok... But ''when'' and ''where'' was it said that it's because of ''that'' that the two were capable of sensing each other? Don't get me wrong, it makes sense, but it was not established whatsoever. All we know, Sasuke was a sensor all along...--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 08:05, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::: Which is why he needed Karin's sensory ability? Which is why he couldn't sense Kabuto? Which is why he couldn't do any sensing abilities before or sins? The only person he sensed is Naruto, and it was stated because both of them share Hagoromo's chakra.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:21, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: You know he could've picked up the skill, right? You're basing the whole "Sasuke can sense Naruto and vice versa" idea on speculation alone, especially since it wasn't even mentioned that transmigrants have any sort of connection between each other.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 19:27, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::@SuperSaiyaMan, I'm not understanding your position here. You just said Sasuke was able to sense Naruto via Hagoromo's chakra, and yet he isn't a sensor? If you can sense chakra, you're a sensor. And anyway, you're position is speculatory, for it hasn't been established anywhere. My understanding, he sensed Naruto's chakra. He's a sensor.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Uzushiogakure Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 20:46, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::: How can he 'pick up the skill'? The manga has it your a sensor or your not, its not a jutsu one can learn. Sasuke has only sensed Naruto. He hasn't sensed anyone else. He didn't sense Sakura, he didn't sense Obito, he didn't sense Kakashi, he didn't sense Kaguya. He only sensed Naruto. And Minamoto15, Sasuke's only sensed ONE person and has shown no ability to sense other's, that's different from what every other sensor has been able to do.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:07, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
Why is he depicted as a year older than the rest of the rookies? --[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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Tidbit: Sasuke doesn't need Hagoromo's chakra to sense Naruto's, as shown in chapter 616. Carry on. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 21:55, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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: And that chapter explicitly said that Sasuke ''isn't'' a sensor. Orochimaru commented on it.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 22:14, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Right, that chapter, if anything, supported the theory that chakra can be felt by everybody (given that it's strong enough) and that sensors simply trained that feat or are born just more sensitive.
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::It also showed that if Sasuke really became a sensor, it wasn't before the Fourth Shinobi War. Could very well be that he trained that feat while roaming around the world (he also "sensed" Shin somehow), but at the same time, being able to sense the connection between him and Naruto makes sense to me. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 03:32, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:"Both Sasuke and Naruto were able to sense the Hagoromo chakra within each other. Hence why Naruto could sense Sasuke when he was in a different dimension and vice versa. Unlike Naruto however, Sasuke has shown no ability to sense other people's chakra." SuperSaiyaMan, In The Boruto Movie He Said He Could Sense Naruto's Chakra, To Let Boruto Know That Naruto Was Still Alive. I Originally Brought This Up Because He Was Sensing Naruto Across Vast Distances Or In A Different Dimension (I Wasn't Sure Which Momoshiki's Planet Was), Not To Discuss Sasuke's Status As A Sensor, lol. [[User:Bob1200|Bob1200]] ([[User talk:Bob1200|talk]]) 04:13, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
Unless I'm mistaken, the ages originate from databooks in most cases--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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== Complete Body Susanoo ==
   
Well alright but it seems odd considering he was 12-13 in Part 1 plus the wiki had it as 15-16 a few weeks/months ago--[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:48, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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The manga kind of made it clear Sasuke achieved Complete-Body Susanoo before getting Six Paths Chakra. Lets look at the features his Majestic Attire: Susanoo had:
   
Gaara who was born in January was 15 and Naruto born October was 15 according to the Shippuden Mini Databook on ShounenSuki's contributions page, which means ALL people were a year younger in the beginning of shippuden and Naruto was 16 when he fought Kakuzu. Which means Sasuke was INDEED 15 when Naruto and him met again at Oro's base. 6 months after that Sasuke betrayed Oro and we then get all the Databook 3 ages. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:04, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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1. Tengu Mask that looks exactly like Madara's? Check
   
== Sage Transformation ==
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2. Scale-like armor like Complete-Body Susanoo's wings? Check
   
I believe Sasuke should be marked as a (former) Sage Transformation user as he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and Jugo said that his and his "copies" tranformation were the same thing. Any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 19:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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3. Katana sword for Susanoo blade? Check
:My opinion is that this chapter made things complicate where they didn't have to be complicated. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:16, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Except he didn't use Sage Transformation. He used the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A copy it may be, but that doesn't make it the same thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
He didn't, Sage Transformation is what Jugo's clan is using ...
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4. Shoulder pads just like Complete Body Susanoo? Check
* Their body absorbing natural energies, and an enzyme reacting to it, transforming their bodies ... It's not a Senjutsu chakra as that's a balance of 3 energies, and they aren't manipulating natural energies themselves.
 
* Curse Marks/Cursed Seal Transformation use Senjutsu chakra and an enzyme based on Jugo clan's,
 
the difference is that the former is like a KKG, the latter is a tattoo and the workings are similar but not the same.
 
But to make it simple, Sage Transformation is Natural Energy causing them to mutate due to their bodies passively absorbing it and the enzyme reacting, while Cursed Seal Transformation is Senjutsu Chakra (but not a Sage Mode 0_o) + Transformation
 
At least that's how it appears to be--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Ok i get that...but i believe the curse seal works just like Jugo's clan abilities, but not in a perfect way since cursed seal users are only limited to one type of transformation...and i believe the whole Orochimaru Senjutsu chakra thing was a mistranslation of him talking about his revival. But i get the general idea. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 16:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Jugo's works {KKG-absorbs natural energy, enzyme causes body to mutate and triggers rage and madness = sage transformation] CS works [a modified enzyme of Jugo transforms a body, draws chakra, gives Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra] I don't think there are any mistranslations, raw is out already--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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Its obvious that Kishimoto was showing Sasuke had achieved that form and used it to wrap around Naruto's Biju Sage Mode. We've seen the Databook be wrong about things before, why take it as gospel here?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 22:48, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
Uhm, didn't Jūgo himself say it was called Cursed Seal Transformation to those whom cursed seals were applied to? The only way someone can have Sage Transformation is if they're from Jūgo's clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:That would be dandy and all... Except you're missing the wings, which Sasuke's Susanoo didn't had when he wrapped it around Kurama. All the Complete Body Susanoo that was shown had wings, which Sasuke's Susanoo lacked at the time, so clearly Sasuke didn't had CB Susanoo during the fight against Ten-Tails Obito. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 22:59, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::[http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=52321044&postcount=1249 Here, just in case.] And I could make the same case with Naruto's recent Tailed Beast Mode in Boruto: Naruto the Movie. Let's look at the features, shall we:
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::#Glowing skin all over his body? Check.
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::#Red eyes, not yellow? Check.
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::#Markings that resemble the TBSM rather than the SPSM (with no magatama or Rinnegan markings)? Check.
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::And yet we say it's ''still'' SPSM. Why? "Databook says SPSM has no pigmentation around the eyes". SSM, in one case you support the databook despite the appearance, and in another case, you don't? Databook says so in one case, and then we should ignore it in another? Doesn't make much sense, does it? {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:02, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:: When shaped around a Biju as [[Majestic Attire: Susanoo]], the wings become the extra armor it seems. The scale armor that covers the Biju is the exact same shape as the wings' feathers. Sasuke did have CB Susanoo, it was clear through visual evidence, no other Susanoo form has the shoulder pads, the scale/feather armor, the tengu mask, and the katana.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 23:04, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:::^The thing I said. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:05, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:::: If its just the armored form then why does it look so wildly different, Windstar? Why does it have all the features (sans wings which look like are incorporated into the body armor) of a Complete Body - Susanoo?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 23:08, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Because that's how Kishi drew it. If Naruto's new mode is Six Paths Sage Mode, why does it look so wildy different, SuperSaiyaMan? Why does it have all of the features of TBSM (sans pigmentation)? So, we can judge things based on appearance in one case and ignore the databook (Sasuke's Susanoo), but we don't do that in another (Naruto's Mode)?
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:::::Like with Sasuke's "Blaze Release". Looks like black flames, does the same thing as black flames, yet the databook says it's Fire Release. If we don't judge things based on appearance and follow the databook (like for Blaze Release and Naruto's Mode), why should we all of a sudden ignore that here, hm? {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:14, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: And the Six Paths Sage Mode comparison isn't working too well with this one. Six Paths Sage Mode lacks eye pigmentation in both powered up and powered down forms and is shown in the manga. The manga shows several traits of Complete-Body Susanoo, and ''only'' Complete-Body Susanoo when Majestic Attire is used. None of the other forms traits are even used.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 23:15, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
Yep, Sage Transformation is an actual result of their KKG, while Cursed Seal Transformation is due to a tattoo--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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And your case to ignore the databook based on appearance and speculation isn't working well either. Again, as stated in the databook, all black flames are Fire Release. And where'd you get the information that SPSM lacks pigmentation? None other than the databook. Ignoring it in one case and then supporting it in another certainaly doesn't help your argument. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:18, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
:Can the resident translator clear these doubts off? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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: Then why does it have all the traits of a Complete-Body Susanoo but it isn't connected anyway at all, Windstar?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 23:20, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
:But the thing is that the Curse Seal is made from Jugo's enzymes with some modifications, which in a sense is the same as Kakashi using a Sharingan, or Danzo and Madara using the Wood Release because they took the body part/DNA of the individual using said KKG. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::Because that's how Kishi drew it. We can't always judege things based on appearance if Kishi says the opposite. Reasonable speculation is ''still'' speculation. Going back and forth won't help much. If you can judge based on sheer appearance, then we can go ahead and re-insert Blaze Release in articles because it ''looks'' like it, despite what the databook says.
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::And if Kishi says through his databook that it's Susanoo being used and ''not'' CB - S despite appearance, then why should we ignore what he says? Simply because of how you see it? Does it look like CB - Susanoo? Yes. Does it mean that it ''is'' CB - Susanoo? Not if the databook says no. Does Naruto healing Guy ''look'' like he's using the Six Paths Yang Power? Yes. Yet the databook says it's YYR. We can't always judge things based on appearance. Reasonable speculation is still speculation. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:31, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
Suki is gone, ask the new S.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== line ==
   
The enzyme in itself isn't a KKG, only a result of it, like a fluid the bodies of a Jugo Clan's members do produce.
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:''With his life mission completed, Sasuke returns to Konoha to spend the rest of his life with his family and friends.''
A Cursed Seal host doesn't produce the enzyme because he/she have no such KKG, it's a sealing tattoo with the modified enzyme in it. EDIT: to make it simple, Sasuke nor other CS users didn't use Sage Transformation as that's something only Jugo Clan's member and Kabuto due to having Jugo's DNA can/could use--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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This line is not true. Whether it's wishful thinking or knowing misinformation, I don't know or care. I ask that whoever added it in the first place and then restored it not do so again. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:58, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
:Hum...ok...i actually reached that conclusion myself, it actually makes somewhat more sense as whole since i never understood how a Cursed gave such a power-up by just forcing more chakra out of the user...i guess this would explain both the power up and the drain caused by the seal. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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: How is that line not true? Sasuke's mission is over, he can stay in Konoha now.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:14, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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::[http://cacatuasulphureacitrinocristata.tumblr.com/post/130861989406/boruto-the-movie-novelization-epilogue From the novelization of the movie, since Sasuke's whereabouts after the conflict are left unclear from the movie itself:] "''Sasuke looked over the two of them, and gave a smile that he never showed anyone but Sakura. '''Then, he disappeared into the darkness again.''' ''" Doesn't seem he stays in Konoha for "the rest of his life". It's just speculation. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:56, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Shouldn't the movie override the novelization in this case? It never said he went back into wandering or anything.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 20:03, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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::::^Except there's no contradiction between the movie and its novelization. Things are only "overridden" if there's a contradiction. The movies and novelizations of the movies are the same, it's just that the novelization expands upon the movie just a little. The movie itself said ''nothing'' about Sasuke's whereabouts. Therefore, the novels explains that. No contradiction, therefore no "overriding". {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 20:08, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Even without the novel, nothing in the movie suggests that he stays. And if there's no evidence of something, it doesn't belong on the wiki. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:59, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
   
== P1 and P2 Infobox pics ==
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Sasuke isn't a family person, he is going to atone for his sins for the rest of his life, do research on Otsutsuki and make sure Kaguya doesn't come back no matter what etc. just being a "lone-wolf from shadows guardian" type whatever.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 05:30, November 29, 2015 (UTC)
   
I noticed earlier that someone added a Part 2 image to the infobox. I made a contribution myself, and it worked really well. So why exactly was it reversed? If those are outdated images of the characters, I think it's pretty unprofessional to not at least have both images selectable for the infobox. Look at the One Piece wikia.. and I know, I know, we do things differently here. but the One Piece Wiki uses both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip pictures for the characters, and nobody seems to complain, since they're recent. What exactly is the problem with keeping the infobox images accurate to the current plot of the manga? --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
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== "Forcing him to replace it with a more standard-looking Sword " ==
:We list them as they were first introduced. For part 1 characters, that means part 1 images. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:42, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Deuteragonist in intro? ==
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I'm sorry, but who the heck keeps editing Sasuke's article? Because they really need to stop. First off, Sasuke's sword did not get lost in Kaguya's dimension.The scabbard did. The last time we saw the weapon pre epilogue was when JJ Madara was pulling it out his chest after being impaled by it. So if you want to say it was lost say it was against Madara. Because anyone with the ability to see would realize that Sasuke was carrying an empty scabbard when Kaguya took over.
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Furthermore, I already created a similar thread posting this link [http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=54148604&postcount=183] Which is a translation of Sasuke's profile in the movie guidebook. The sword he has now is not standard. It's Kusanagi! Sasuke also had Kusanagi in The Last, and on the cover of Sasuke Shinden.
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On a completely different note. Who merged all these unrelated topics together? Buki jutsu is Bukijutsu. Kenjutsu is Kenjutsu. If they were one in the same they would be called the same thing. Not sure why I'm reading about Sasuke’s swordsmanship in that section. Also don't know why someone put his Chakra prowess,and taijutsu together as if that adds to the flow of the article. I disappear for two weeks and come back to find all this mess. SMH.--[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 18:22, December 3, 2015 (UTC)--[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 18:27, December 3, 2015 (UTC)
   
Why not add Deuteragonist in the intro? Its pretty clear at this point (it was in part 1 actually) ? I can add it myself, of course but just wondering is it not allowed or something? Very good article, like the rest :) Keep up the good work Narutopedia!{{unsigned|178.223.69.107}}
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== Image Part II (Closed) ==
:You do understand that Sasuke helped Itachi for self-serving reasons yes? You also do recall that he said he's still going to seek revenge yes? Sasuke's brief moment of inadvertently aiding the shinobi doesn't call for a change in his introduction.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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I've uploaded an [[:File:Sasuke Profile.png|image]] of Sasuke in Part II which is of better quality and focus of him. What do you think? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:16, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:That image had been proposed before, but it wasn't used for some reason.... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 04:48, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::Oh that is odd but what is your take on this subject? Do you approve? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 05:03, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Im guessing the image was knocked back previously because it was heavily edited. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 05:22, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Oh, that came from an edited image? Unless its blanking out text from scanalation manga images, we don't use edited images... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 05:43, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Kk --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 05:52, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha/Archive_6#Deuteragonist [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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== Part I Image ==
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I was thinking Sasuke's current image for Part I could use a change, what do you guys think of this [[:File:Sasuke 1.png|image]] replacing it? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 06:08, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:I was gonna get around to suggesting the same image sooner or later so guess im down for changing images.--[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 06:30, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::A lot of image proposals lately. There has to be an issue with the current image ''first'', before it gets changed, not just when another image pops up (otherwise, we'd just go back to the image wars saga years ago >_<). From my perspective, I see nothing wrong with the current one. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 06:33, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I understand. I mean the current image isn't bad, it's pretty good but sometimes things need to be refreshed, in this case, especially seeing hoe it was of an image shot from the beginning of the series. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 06:40, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I think the current one is fine as it is. I would welcome a change for the Part II image however....nothing urgent though. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 06:43, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Quoting Windstar from the Sakon discussion "A higher quality image is almost always more preferable (image policy)". New HD image > old image.--[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 07:39, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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Keyword: "Almost". {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 08:00, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:Nice image. --[[User:Lukas Pessoa Dantas|Lukas Pessoa Dantas]] ([[User talk:Lukas Pessoa Dantas|talk]]) 16:10, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
@ Cerez Since when Deuteragonist has to be on Protagonists side?
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== Sensory type ==
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deuteragonist
 
"This person can be either with, or against The Protagonist - thus sometimes pulling double duty as a main Antagonist, though they are rarely the primary antagonist in these scenarios"
 
   
== "..first named technique.." ==
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Shouldn't he be listed as a sensory type now? He was able find the rough location of Sakura in Gaiden, and the article stated that he could sense chakra in other dimensions too... [[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]])
 
Referring to Tsukuyomi. While I do not share the opinion that Sasuke has used the ability, I understand this wiki's decision to list it as one of his techniques due to the 3rd Databook's description of Susanoo's prerequisites. Still, none of the Genjutsu Sasuke's cast from his Mangekyo Sharingan have been identified as Tsukuyomi. I believe that the earlier edit(s), in which the first ability of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is PRESUMED to be Tsukuyomi, was more appropriate. [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Precisely because of what you mentioned before, the presumption was removed. It's better to let it as such until something is said otherwise.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:29, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== infant image ==
 
 
Shouldn't we use the anime version instead in a case that the anime's portrayal one is incorrect?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Bump, I vote for the correct manga version of the image--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I agree with you because the anime could be different I believe somebody should put the manga version pic or one of his childhood pics. The manga, after all, is the original drawing.
 
--[[Special:Contributions/199.189.81.8|199.189.81.8]] ([[User talk:199.189.81.8|talk]]) 21:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I believe we should always use the correct version--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:00, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Regarding the Abilities section ==
 
 
Does this section really need to be written like an advertisement?--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 22:30, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, cause Lord Sasuke deserves it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
All character's ability sections are written like that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
:True. All persons abilities sections are written to show them off, no matter what little is known of them.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Alright. I do think it's a bit worse than with other abilities sections, but that probably has to do with Sasuke's role in the story. Still, there are some odd things:
 
:''Sasuke is hailed as a genius, even by the battle-adept Uchiha clan's standards, excelling at all that he does and finding little difficulty in more challenging tasks.''
 
Uhm, doesn't that ignore a significant part of the story where Sasuke is the less talented, little brother of Itachi!?
 
:''Overall, Sasuke has become highly proficent (sic) in all of his clan's techniques with advanced knowledge of their respective natures, despite his lack of formal training by relying solely on his innate talent and determination.''
 
Respective natures!? Lack of formal training!? What is meant by that exactly?
 
:''Although not his favoured combat skill, Sasuke's taijutsu was at a very high level since the start of the series.''
 
Shouldn't that be "not his favoured combat TACTIC", because his taijutsu skills are he foundation for his other skills.
 
:''Sasuke has displayed an above-average level of physical strength. Despite being weakened in the fight, he was [able] to lift and carry an unconscious Killer B (which was actually one of Gyūki's tentacles) with <s>a single</s> [one] hand.''
 
Well, it's not as if anyone else has carried Killer B around, but with chakra enhanced speed and chakra enhanced strength almost everywhere, is that actually worth mentioning? Also, I pretty sure that he didn't carry Killer B "with a single hand", but carried him on a single shoulder. And calling it "above average"?
 
:''He also has high levels of stamina and endurance as he was able to withstand being battered, thrown and slammed around by Naruto in his jinchūriki forms,...''
 
In his cursed seal mode! Isn't that important to mention?
 
:''After his Sharingan fully develops, he was also able to match the speed of both Naruto's initial jinchūriki form and one-tailed form during their fight, though couldn't completely dodge the latter's demon shroud.''
 
Again without mentioning his cursed seal mode.
 
:''Furthmore (sic), his speed and precision have yet to leave his blade stained with any blood even when inflicting lethal strikes on his opponent.''
 
Isn't that because he's running lightning through his sword? ... And those were some of the things I noticed. Thanks.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 14:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
* While we do praise people, comparing them to others is frowned upon here. So even if Sasuke is called a genius, we would not say, "less than his brother" and however many other persons that may have been more talented than him.
 
* Not too sure myself since he's been "trained" and I've only ever seen him use two "Uchiha" techniques, but this place isn't run by machines.
 
* Okay
 
* Fair enough as well, I also thought Jūgo carried B, not Sasuke
 
* Stamina and endurance stuff removed
 
* That statement is wrong, the Sharingan didn't grant him speed, but the ability to dodge the attacks.
 
* Removed
 
Because Sasuke is one of the "more popular" characters, if editors don't patroll the pages regularly, stuff like this gets "sneaked" in without our knowing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention any way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
* Itachi was stronger than Sasuke, but the latter was noted numerous times to have the potential to surpass Itachi in time, stated to have a better Sharingan skill and his chakra was compared to that of Madara.
 
Not to mention Naruto and Sasuke are equal, and the former is now like the strongest unit in the Ninja Alliance. Also the whole "next generation surpasses the previous" or some shit.
 
* Sasuke had trained to equal Itachi's skill with Ninja Tools, used them in conjunction with his Fire and Lightning techniques REALLY well, and even used a modified/next-gen version of Uchiha Madara's dragon heads/projectiles technique.
 
Itachi was hailed as a prodigy, Sasuke as well, with him eventually surpassing the older brother.
 
So this isn't false, Sasuke has used an "Uchiha" technique without being trained in it, and copied Itachi's shuriken target practice by memorizing it.
 
* I think he has the talent to rival Lee in Taijutsu, for copying a few moves and in a 30 day training mastering something that took Lee years.
 
But later in the series, it's not a common part of his fighting style, relying more on Kenjutsu now.
 
* The databook gives Sasuke 3,5 in strength, now it's more than likely even more (4 I guess) taking into consideration that he wasn't exclusively trained in muscle mass department, it's valid.
 
Also Sasuke is a late 16 years old teenager, Killer B a muscular big dark-skinned dude in his late 30's.
 
Sasuke isn't noted to be using any strength-enhancing technique (with the Cursed Seal being removed at that point already) "maybe" some limited Eight Gates opening skill (Kakashi level)
 
* I wouldn't say Sasuke has any noticeable natural endurance... that's Naruto's area.
 
Actually without his cursed seal, he got pwned in a single punch by Killer B and wouldn't have survived the Raikage's attack if it wasn't for his Susanoo.
 
* Why removed? In my opinion, it takes a great mastery with a sword to cut due to 1000 Ninja and disarm them without taking their lives.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== another bug? ==
 
 
jutsu list isn't displaying again.{{unsigned|68.36.225.244}}
 
:Yes. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 15:43, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Black lightning? ==
 
 
Is Sasuke's dark chidori or flapping chidori a black lightning move? Or just a darker and stronger chidori? [[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
 
:Not a black lightning technique, specially since in an artbook, said technique was purple. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, I'm colorblind so....--[[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
 
 
== Introduction section ==
 
 
I noticed, in the Introduction section, it says '...kept getting drawn in by ''Sakura's romantic advances'' and Naruto's attempts at competition.
 
 
I fail to see where he was ever drawn in to Sakura's romantic advances. He called her annoying and, in the Viz translation of the manga said that she made him sick, both occurrences in Part 1.
 
 
He never acted on them in any way, so far as I remember, at least not positively. Not saying he didn't care for her or anything, but that statement is puzzling. Anyone care to explain to me? I'm kinda mind boggled by the logic in there...--[[User:AkasunaNoJade|AkasunaNoJade]] ([[User talk:AkasunaNoJade|talk]]) 08:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Fixed, I suppose.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:37, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Maybe add [[:File:Drive toward the darkness.png|this]] to further describe Sasuke's descent into hatred? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 22:34, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Unnecessary. Also, that's from a filler. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I thought that see Sasuke's hatred consumed eyes as a chlid may help better add to his descent to hate as a chlid [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Why did someone remove "rotten ninja world"? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Shouldn't we say that Sasuke has an affinity towards lightning, because of that one filler episode with the paper?--[[Special:Contributions/24.166.174.117|24.166.174.117]] ([[User talk:24.166.174.117|talk]]) 22:23, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Kusari user ==
 
 
In what occasion of the anime, was Sasuke shown as using the kusari? Cuz he's listed as one in the anime and i can't find a single refference to it, soo a little direction would be appreciated. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 00:46, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:In the Paw Encyclopaedia filler. In a flashback, he captures one of the cats with chains. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Curse mark? ==
 
 
I can't remember if they have shown this, but Sasuke still got his Curse Mark right? Long time no see acturly. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 12:41, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It was removed by Itachi during their last fight, when Orochimaru was sealed by Itachi's sword. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 12:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
{{UseAnswersWiki}}''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:black;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
Great thanks. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 12:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Something about his appearance ==
 
 
I don't know if this in his appearance but there seems be not mention of the lines under Sasuke's eyes he had for the longest time from when he started killing the samurai up till Edo Tensei was released. His emotions and mindset seem to determine when they're there or not. --[[Special:Contributions/67.142.164.24|67.142.164.24]] ([[User talk:67.142.164.24|talk]]) 04:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Expressions of madness--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Sasuke may NOT HAVE Tsukuyomi ==
 
 
Well, While I do think that Sasuke did use Tsukuyomi - It's nothing but a theory.....
 
Lets start with the idea that you should write facts only.
 
according to Tobi [Naruto chapter 480 page 6] Sasuke used simply a weak genjutsu.
 
However, That Tsukuyomi that Sasuke used did not have a moon, it reminds of Itachi's Tsukuyomi yet it doesn't have to be one.
 
Now for the last chapter that might prove that Sasuke does not have a Tsukuyomi.
 
In chapter 585 page 12, Sasuke did not say Tsukuyomi but genjutsu sharingan while Itachi did say Tsukuyomi.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 05:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Your point?[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 06:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
 
My point is that you should remove from the jutsu list the Tsukuyomi ability, Same goes to the abilities which clearly says did he does have Tsukuyomi while he possibily doesn't have[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 06:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
: It has already been decided to list him as a user, i refer you to some of the discussions above to see why if you like.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 07:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
 
 
In order to use [[Susanoo]], a person needs to be able to use both [[Amaterasu]] and [[Tsukuyomi]].'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 07:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
No, The databook most likely was wrong. Kishi simply changed his mind. It was long ago and it's no more, I gave you a clear proves from the manga which says that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi, Manga >= Databook.
 
You can't rely on the Databook while the manga says otherwise. - Yomiko-chan, But the manga clearly says that he does NOT have it.
 
[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 08:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No, Sasuke surely has it, he used it against Danzo twice. One time when Danzo saw Itachi casting Amaterasu on him and the second time when he fooled him by believing he still has some Sharingan left for his Izanagi (both Tobi and Danzo said that it was Tsukuyomi and not another genjutsu, although it was not as powerful as Itachi's version.) He also used his Mangekyō Sharingan for it. Why should he do that if he could cast a simple genjutsu with his normal sharingan?[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 10:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I disagree, Sasuke used the same ability with the second eye twice, After Tobi noticed it (in chapter 480 page 6) He said himself it was simply a genjutsu and nothing else. The Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu is a somewhat stronger genjutsu. I don't know, But CLEARLY it isn't the Tsukuyomi. Why would he say Mangekyo genjutsu instead of Tsukuyomi? UHMMM.... Maybe because it isn't. Apart from it, Sasuke has three abilities (which I disagree but it's not the point) , Blaze release , Susanoo and Amaterasu. Which means as Sasuke said himself, 3 abilities .. No Tsukuyomi here.
 
The manga might be confusing abit alright, Though we cannot ignore the facts that it was NEVER said that it is a Tsukuyomi. And considering the fact it was said it isn't Tsukuyomi and Sasuke NEVER said Tsukuyomi while activating the mangekyo genjutsu ability.. It wasn't Tsukuyomi, alright. [[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 12:56, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Guys, there's no need to start up this discussion for the hundredth million time. Until it is said otherwise, Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi=Susanoo. I really don't think there's any need to bring this up again because no one here is going to say anything that hasn't been said in every other discussion.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yet you simply ignore the fact that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi. The manga showed us [chapter 585 page 12] that it's somewhat Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu and nothing else. Due to that and more few reasons it's no longer a fact.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 13:36, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
:This is a wikia. We have to base information here on a '''premise'''. If databook says Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to awaken Susanoo, and Itachi said the same, why should we go against it and say "oh Sasuke may not have Tsukuyomi because you know, he's the one exception"? Also not that Danzō compared Sasuke's genjutsu to that of Itachi's which could control time and '''that''' was what Tobi was commenting on noting that it was just another genjutsu. Why in blazes would someone compare a regular genjutsu with something on the level of Tsukuyomi. Until it is said otherwise, that is what we have to work on. If and when it is ever said contrary, feel free to come back here and do the "I told you so" dance by which time I'll be long gone, and you'll be dead Dumbledore!--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Also, even IF the genjutsu used by Sasuke in that fight really weren't Tsukuyomi, we still could not say that he is not able to use it. The databook says one needs both abilities to use Susanoo, and that is a fact. Madara also never used Amaterasu, yet he could use Susanoo and is therefore also able to use Amaterasu. The databooks are official references, therefore a person IS able to use a technique if it stands so in a databook, even if that person was not seen using the technique yet in the manga or anime.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 14:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38425/901511-sasuke_uses_tsukuyomi_on_8_tails_super.jpg /topic] He activated his MS for the purpose of using that genjutsu, it put strain on his eye and there's the kill bill filter scheme lol, not to mention Killer B had tentacle guy free him from it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
--Elveonora ~ it doesn't prove anything really... Just that it's similar to the Tsukuyomi ... As I said, in the later chapters Sasuke clearly doesn't have Tsukuyomi. [[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 20:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Clearly to you, I don't see your "proof" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Original Mangekyō Sharingan ==
 
 
I noticed that in the last two chapters (620 and 619) of Naruto manga, Sasuke's Mangekyō appeared like his original without the 3 lines from Itachi's Mangekyō...I think it is worth noting in the trivia .....and it is also raises the question of whether he can switch between the Eternal Mangekyō and the normal Mangekyō at will. [[Special:Contributions/197.155.228.102|197.155.228.102]] ([[User talk:197.155.228.102|talk]]) 13:52, February 14, 2013 (UTC)Inhumanoid
 
 
== status/role ==
 
 
I think we should simply list him as deuteragonist or antihero rather than "flip-flopper"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:25, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Maybe anti-hero, but we will have to see how it plays out ... --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 15:49, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
In the intro paragraph, it says "...introduced as a protagonist but later became an antagonist in the half of Part II then later revert back into protagonist." Why is he only considered an antagonist in the half of Part II? Isn't he antagonistic since he "tried" to kill Naruto at the Valley of the End in Part I? And due to the latest chapter, is he really considered as a protagonist again? True, he does confirm that he won't destroy the village anymore, and yeah, he does say sorry to Karin for trying to kill her, but does that justify him being a protagonist again after hundreds of chapters of antagonism? Sasuke's role is a difficult one... I just think we should wait for a few more chapters or the whole outcome of this saga before reclassifying him as a protagonist again. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 17:03, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
My sentiments exactly. --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 17:05, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Whoever wrote that introduction lol.... --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:09, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
@Sparxs Then, why not just change it to Deuteragonist, since deuteragonist isn't necessarily on the protagonist's side, but isn't the ultimate villain, either. {{unsigned|93.87.250.46}}
 
 
Sasuke's always been the deuteragonist of the series despite all he's done. Throughout part 1 it's always been a series of switches between his and Naruto's stories, like two halves of the same coin in a way.. I agree with changing it to that. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 18:24, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Just change it to deuteragonist, is it so hard? I've seen that being discussed here for a LONG time and it's never done because some people want to foolishly stick with the antagonist tag. --[[Special:Contributions/46.11.99.109|46.11.99.109]] ([[User talk:46.11.99.109|talk]]) 08:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I believe he's a main character.. so anti-hero is fine but he's not classified as antagonist. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:rockleespinoff|RLS]])</sup> 08:22, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
:[[wikipedia:Deuteragonist|Deuteragonist]] seems to be the best fitting word here.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 08:27, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::It is entirely possible he could pull a dick move and say "I'm going to protect Konoha only so I can destroy it later.". So I'm hesitant to say he's a protagonist.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:05, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:: I would say a proper, decent way to phrase it in the intro would be that while he was originally introduced as a secondary protagonist, he soon evolved into a deuteragonist, helping people only when it presents him with personal gain is his own plans and goals.--[[User:Lilduff90|lilduff90]] ([[User talk:Lilduff90|talk]]) 11:55, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::That however glosses over the fact that he unquestionably became a antagonist. 400+ chapters of him being a evil dick is not something that can be handwaved so easily.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:10, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
::: '''''Deuteragonist is the second most important character, after the protagonist. The deuteragonist may switch from being with or against the protagonist depending on the deuteragonist's own conflict/plot.'''''
 
That seems to exactly match it.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:15, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::I vote we remove them altogether. They do more harm than good any way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:17, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Why would we do so??? The intro is supposed to give an overview of the character's role and status in the show--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Deuteragonist seams to cover it. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 17:06, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
d.o.n.e.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:14, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Evil? I think not... ==
 
 
I believe that, despite all Sasuke's done, he did nothing to truly define himself as "evil." Everything that's happened to him was portrayed through his hatred, and people merely got in his way of his goals. Therefore, I think that if someone were to look at it close enough, we should specifically state that he wasn't evil anywhere along the line, and if so, it was nothing but being manipulated and corrupted. [[User:GoldenTempest|GoldenTempest]] ([[User talk:GoldenTempest|talk]]) 21:12, April 11, 2013 (UTC)GoldenTempest
 
 
== Sasuke picture ==
 
 
Should we add the part of the manga where Sasuke made the decision to protect Konoha next to the latest addition to Sasuke's personality? I think it is appropriate, but that is just me. [[Special:Contributions/65.188.41.37|65.188.41.37]] ([[User talk:65.188.41.37|talk]]) 01:30, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think so too. VanillaSky[[Special:Contributions/109.100.202.96|109.100.202.96]] ([[User talk:109.100.202.96|talk]]) 13:54, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Daggers ==
 
 
Can sombody add daggers to wepons, he used them against Kakashi in the genin survival thing. --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 21:39, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:He is listed as a user. It's just not showing. If you click the tool link that gives a list, you'll see it listed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:36, April 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Sensor? ==
 
 
Given how he also sensed Naruto's chakra from such a long distance, it would appear Sasuke is a sensor type too.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 00:57, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
 
:I think you missed the part Orochimaru states none of them there were sensors. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:17, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Jutsus ==
 
 
These are some Jutsus by Sasuke that need to be added to his Jutsu section :
 
 
Shield of Black Flames - Blaze Release: Yasaka Magatama - Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique - Chidori - Chidori Current - Chidori Senbon - Susanoo - Kirin - Fire Release: Great Dragon Fire Technique - Demonic Illusion: Shackling Stakes Technique - Lion Combo - Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique
 
 
If i found more, I'll post them right away (:
 
 
:They are already added, it's due to a coding problem that they aren't showing up at the moment. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 11:51, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Ignore this post, By mistake (:
 
 
--[[User:LaRoux4Life|LaRoux4Life]] ([[User talk:LaRoux4Life|talk]]) 20:00, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Something wrong with Infobox ==
 
I think there's something wrong with the infoboxes of pages such as [[Sasuke Uchiha]], [[Kimimaro]], [[Jugo]] and I don't know how many more.. {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|07:29, 5/31/2013}}
 
 
Found another: [[Shisui Uchiha]].. but how come there's nothing wrong with pages like [[Sakura Haruno]]?? {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|07:31, 5/31/2013}}
 
 
:Seems like some extension was temporarily disabled. Its back to normal now.--'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 14:32, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Interesting Fun Fact ==
 
 
Sasuke has fought 3 Jincuuriki. Gaara, Bee, Naruto and each time survived.. if not won. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:19, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Missing-nin ==
 
== Missing-nin ==
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Why is he still a missing-nin? Was it overlooked?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 19:35, February 23, 2016 (UTC)
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:There's no rank of him after the FSWW confirmed, so it's better than not to rank him at all. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 19:45, February 23, 2016 (UTC)
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::So we should take it out or at least get "formerly" next to it?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 14:57, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::The wiki covers all points of a series. That means information is not removed because it ceases to be true as of the most recent material, nor is it qualified as "formerly" or whatever. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:45, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::::How is it not qualified as formerly? It shows that Kakashi had Sharingan but at some point doesn't. It provided both information about the current situation and past.--[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:01, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Using qualifiers like "formerly" gives undue preference to "current" information, which the wiki tries to avoid. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:23, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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Well isn't being him being Hokage using information that's current? So you pick and choose. Classification and Occupation is fine but KG possession is out of the question? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:27, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:Acknowledging the most recent material is not the same as giving it preference. If we do not tag anything as "former", then the wiki simultaneously represents all points in the series as best as it can. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:33, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::It's not acknowledging a perference. It still represents the points in the series, like I said. Kakashi has the Sharingan at one point (age 13-31 aka the past) but doesn't anymore (the future). See there, different points. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:40, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::The most recent material is given preference by the mere act of labeling what is "present" and what is "past". If there are no labels at all, then no preference is given. To stick with Sasuke as an example, wouldn't "Konoha <sup>(present)</sup>" and "Akatsuki <sup>(future)</sup>" be giving preference to Part I material? In the same way, "missing-nin <sup>(former)</sup>" would give preference to epilogue material. "'''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:01, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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::::I think you need to find a better word than perference because it sounds like you're trying to say we favor this when in fact we are just being specific. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 19:05, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::No, preference works. Because words like past, present, and future are subjective based on where you're speaking from with regards to the series. For example: a person says that chapter 2 is the present. This is a preference because another person can say chapter 1 is the present, which makes chapter 2 the future. Another person can also say chapter 3 is the present, which makes chapter 2 the past. If the wiki picks only one point in the series to treat as the present - such as the most recent material - then that is a preference being made over all the other points in the series. By instead treating all points of the series as the present, the wiki has no preference and all points in the series are equally represented. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:25, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
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Trying to cover all points can lead to misinterpreations. I mean Orochimaru died am I right but he's alive again. Deceased (formerly) should be there. Kakashi has the Sharingan but doesn't anymore. So to conclude in the infobox, Orochimaru never died and Kakashi still has the Sharingan. Yup makes perfect sense! --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 23:38, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
   
Should we still consider him an international missing-nin in the introduction paragraph? He is now considering returning. [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] ([[User_talk:Yatanogarasu|Talk]]) 01:55, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== New Part II Image ==
 
He isn't considering, he has definitely chosen to return. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 03:22, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Officially, I would say he is still a Missing-nin. After the war is a different story, but in the minds of Konoha (as a whole) he is probably still an enemy. If not, then Kish made it too easy for him to get back in the good graces of everything, which kind of cheapens his redemption and other things. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 04:57, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Mangekyo Error ==
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[http://imgur.com/z3uGqgh Here is a new image I propose for Sasuke's Part II head-shot.] Not only does it meet all of the typical qualifications pertaining to these types of discussions, but the art style of this image is vastly superior to the current one (it's ultimately why I'm proposing we use it). What do you think?--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 19:42, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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:I see nothing wrong with the current image to warrant a change. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] ([[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]]) 20:21, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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::its somewhat of a side shot and he barely wears that Akatsuki cloak for long, while the white shirt is probably his most iconic Part 2 outfit. so Nah.--[[User:AskinNakkLeVaar|AskinNakkLeVaar]] ([[User talk:AskinNakkLeVaar|talk]]) 20:52, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Vastly superior how? {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 20:55, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Vastly superior in the sense that the artistic style appears much more slicker/clean. You can tell that image was animated by a high-quality animation team, where as the current one does not looks very bland. It's overall the reason why the Part I image was changed to the current image- the art looks much better. As for the side shot complaint, that can be made for a few different characters (look at Naruto's Part II image). As for the Akatsuki cloak complaint, that can easily be cropped out.--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 22:04, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::While I can't explain it properly for now, despite all the "artictic style" of this image, I don't like it anyway. It doesn't seem superior to the current image, as for me. I'm totally OK with the current one. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 22:11, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Basically, it all comes down to consistency. Right now, the current images are inconsistent, but whatever...--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 22:22, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::Not that it's a requirement, but i prefer the original 1 because it shows all of Sasuke's head/hair and he has a neutral facial expression, making it seem more appropriate imo. Im sure Goldliger will disagree with me but. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 09:33, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::What are your thoughts on a new image with better art style? Since you always upload high quality images, I'm sure you could get an even better version of what I've posted. I know you've been updating some character's infobox images lately (Kakashi, Obito, etc.). What made you decide to change them? Also, I noticed there wasn't a discussion about it on the talkpage, so I wonder why I even bothered...--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 19:17, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::I'm sure there is a high quality image somewhere, but it's not like everyone will approve of it like with sasuke's part 1 image change, despite it being higher quality. If you read the comments I made, I updated obito's image like with we do with manga images frequently and anyone is free to revert kakashi's image as I said. It's common courtesy to take it to the talkpage, not a requirement, buts it's strongly recommended when it's someone's infobox image that gets edit war over occasionally eg the 2 main characters of the series. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 01:55, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
   
Ok we've seen in two chapters (619 and 620) Sasuke with his original Mangekyo shape...now this makes no sense in-series wise...Madara never displayed his original Mangekyo shap after gaining the EMS...soo i'd say this was a mistake on the creator's part...any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:01, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Lightning Affinity ==
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There was a flashback filler in which Sasuke met with Kakashi after Kakashi did that rock climbing and Kakashi gave him a chakra paper and it wrinkled, meaning his affinity is lightning. For now, I'll put Sasuke's infobox for affinity for lightning and refer here for my reasons for rebuttals.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 20:27, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
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:At least put the anime only tag next to it, as that fact wasn't stated in the manga. [[Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 11#Affinity|There]] has been [[Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 10#Lightning Release Affinity|multiple]] "Lightning is Sasuke's affinity" [[Talk:Sasuke Uchiha/Archive 6#Element Affinity|discussions]], and I don't remember why it wasn't added. I would guess it's because of Sasuke's proficiency with Fire Release. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 21:04, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
   
They are confirmed errors, as in the latest chapters he is shown with EMS, even UNS3 got his render art wrong, putting his normal ms instead of his ems, I guess they are not used to him having it so they keep drawing his original mangekyo on accident [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:21, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:So long as the anime only tag is there, it should be fine at this point. It's always been a safe assumption, but just... Odd that we've never been told definitively in the manga or Data Books what chakra nature he had an affinity for prior to awakening the Rinnegan. There's always been a chance of him preferring Raiton due to its utility. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 21:14, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
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::I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I always thought we considered lightning to be his affinity because of what Kakashi said when Sasuke first used Chidori in the Chunin Exams, something along the lines "I taught him because he's the same type as I am". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:13, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Yep, you mentioned it not too long ago. Most initially presumed Kakashi was just talking about them both having the Sharingan, being speedy, possessing comparable talent, or all of the above; and those could still apply. This was long, long before the technicalities of Seishitsu Henka were detailed to us, after all. I wouldn't consider that a definitive confirmation of which nature he has an affinity for. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 00:01, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Sasuke was only proficient with Fire Release through practice. All shinobi have an easier time learning their nature affinity than others. Not to mention the entire time he was training to kill Itachi, he spent that time honing his Lightning attacks more than Fire.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 01:32, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
   
Wrong, Madara was shown with his MS after becoming a Konohagakure shinobi, so after already having EMS. Nowhere it's said that they can't switch both--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:31, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Considering that Naruto and Sasuke sorta parallel Fūjin-raijin (Wind vs Lightning) and Sasuke's ultimate attack, Indra's Arrow is Lightning Release, I would say his affinity is much more strongly implied to be Lightning.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 04:54, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
   
:If you're referring to that flashback of his confrontation with Muu and Oonoki, we can't say for certain that he was even using his Mangekyou Sharingan there, considering the distance. Regarding Sasuke, we'll have to see if the appearance of his Mangekyou Sharingan remains the same in the volume release. [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:52, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
The picture of Team Kakashi summoning their respective summons should be posted on all three of their pages. [[User:ThatBoy Gibson|ThatBoy Gibson]] ([[User talk:ThatBoy Gibson|talk]]) 01:45, June 10, 2013 (UTC)ThatBoyGibson
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Nobody should've added that tag without researching thoroughly; the epitome of thoughtlessness. There's manga panel shows Kakashi saying he trained Sasuke because "he's the same type as me", and with that, the panel shows him using Chidori. It's backed up by the slew of high ranking Raiton techs at his disposal. (Chap 113) [[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]]) 16:18, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
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:Actually, Kakashi just said "he's much like me" when explaining to Guy and Naruto why he decided to train only Sasuke and concentrate on him alone. It could be interpreted various ways, not necessarily their common affinity, but for example their genius nature or Sharingan mastery. And if we remember that, as SaiST already pointed out, the whole concept of the nature transformaton hasn't been introduced yet, it's even more plausible that Kakashi talked about some of these common traits we mentioned. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 16:54, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

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Sensor Ninja Edit

In The Boruto Movie, Sasuke Said He Could Still Sense Naruto's Chakra Even Though He Was Taken To A Different Planet/Dimension, Something Nobody Else Could Do. Shouldn't That Be Noted In His Page Somewhere? Bob1200 (talk) 06:58, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

He is already listed as sensor.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 17:55, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
That's...Not What I'm Referring To. I'm Referring To His Ability To Sense Across Planets/Dimensions. I Feel Like It Should Be Noted In His Page Because Nobody Else Can Do It.Bob1200 (talk) 23:12, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
Can't they sense each other because of the whole being a half of rikudo's power thing?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:06, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Wasn't it that they lost the power after sealing Kaguya? Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong (talk) 13:39, November 16, 2015 (UTC)
Sasuke shouldn't be listed as a sensor type in the first place though, Elve. He can only detect Naruto due to Naruto having the other half of Hagoromo's chakra. He has shown no ability to sense others.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:10, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't add him as a sensor, whoever added him should reason so.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 20:37, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

@SuperSaiyaMan: When was such an ability between the two transmigrants even established? O.o--Omojuze (talk) 19:43, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
Both Sasuke and Naruto were able to sense the Hagoromo chakra within each other. Hence why Naruto could sense Sasuke when he was in a different dimension and vice versa. Unlike Naruto however, Sasuke has shown no ability to sense other people's chakra.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:27, November 21, 2015 (UTC)
Ok... But when and where was it said that it's because of that that the two were capable of sensing each other? Don't get me wrong, it makes sense, but it was not established whatsoever. All we know, Sasuke was a sensor all along...--Omojuze (talk) 08:05, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
Which is why he needed Karin's sensory ability? Which is why he couldn't sense Kabuto? Which is why he couldn't do any sensing abilities before or sins? The only person he sensed is Naruto, and it was stated because both of them share Hagoromo's chakra.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:21, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
You know he could've picked up the skill, right? You're basing the whole "Sasuke can sense Naruto and vice versa" idea on speculation alone, especially since it wasn't even mentioned that transmigrants have any sort of connection between each other.--Omojuze (talk) 19:27, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
@SuperSaiyaMan, I'm not understanding your position here. You just said Sasuke was able to sense Naruto via Hagoromo's chakra, and yet he isn't a sensor? If you can sense chakra, you're a sensor. And anyway, you're position is speculatory, for it hasn't been established anywhere. My understanding, he sensed Naruto's chakra. He's a sensor.--Mina Uzushiogakure Symbol talk | contribs 20:46, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
How can he 'pick up the skill'? The manga has it your a sensor or your not, its not a jutsu one can learn. Sasuke has only sensed Naruto. He hasn't sensed anyone else. He didn't sense Sakura, he didn't sense Obito, he didn't sense Kakashi, he didn't sense Kaguya. He only sensed Naruto. And Minamoto15, Sasuke's only sensed ONE person and has shown no ability to sense other's, that's different from what every other sensor has been able to do.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:07, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Tidbit: Sasuke doesn't need Hagoromo's chakra to sense Naruto's, as shown in chapter 616. Carry on. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 21:55, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

And that chapter explicitly said that Sasuke isn't a sensor. Orochimaru commented on it.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 22:14, November 22, 2015 (UTC)
Right, that chapter, if anything, supported the theory that chakra can be felt by everybody (given that it's strong enough) and that sensors simply trained that feat or are born just more sensitive.
It also showed that if Sasuke really became a sensor, it wasn't before the Fourth Shinobi War. Could very well be that he trained that feat while roaming around the world (he also "sensed" Shin somehow), but at the same time, being able to sense the connection between him and Naruto makes sense to me. Norleon (talk) 03:32, November 23, 2015 (UTC)
"Both Sasuke and Naruto were able to sense the Hagoromo chakra within each other. Hence why Naruto could sense Sasuke when he was in a different dimension and vice versa. Unlike Naruto however, Sasuke has shown no ability to sense other people's chakra." SuperSaiyaMan, In The Boruto Movie He Said He Could Sense Naruto's Chakra, To Let Boruto Know That Naruto Was Still Alive. I Originally Brought This Up Because He Was Sensing Naruto Across Vast Distances Or In A Different Dimension (I Wasn't Sure Which Momoshiki's Planet Was), Not To Discuss Sasuke's Status As A Sensor, lol. Bob1200 (talk) 04:13, November 23, 2015 (UTC)

Complete Body Susanoo Edit

The manga kind of made it clear Sasuke achieved Complete-Body Susanoo before getting Six Paths Chakra. Lets look at the features his Majestic Attire: Susanoo had:

1. Tengu Mask that looks exactly like Madara's? Check

2. Scale-like armor like Complete-Body Susanoo's wings? Check

3. Katana sword for Susanoo blade? Check

4. Shoulder pads just like Complete Body Susanoo? Check

Its obvious that Kishimoto was showing Sasuke had achieved that form and used it to wrap around Naruto's Biju Sage Mode. We've seen the Databook be wrong about things before, why take it as gospel here?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 22:48, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

That would be dandy and all... Except you're missing the wings, which Sasuke's Susanoo didn't had when he wrapped it around Kurama. All the Complete Body Susanoo that was shown had wings, which Sasuke's Susanoo lacked at the time, so clearly Sasuke didn't had CB Susanoo during the fight against Ten-Tails Obito. --JouXIII (talk) 22:59, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
Here, just in case. And I could make the same case with Naruto's recent Tailed Beast Mode in Boruto: Naruto the Movie. Let's look at the features, shall we:
  1. Glowing skin all over his body? Check.
  2. Red eyes, not yellow? Check.
  3. Markings that resemble the TBSM rather than the SPSM (with no magatama or Rinnegan markings)? Check.
And yet we say it's still SPSM. Why? "Databook says SPSM has no pigmentation around the eyes". SSM, in one case you support the databook despite the appearance, and in another case, you don't? Databook says so in one case, and then we should ignore it in another? Doesn't make much sense, does it? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:02, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
When shaped around a Biju as Majestic Attire: Susanoo, the wings become the extra armor it seems. The scale armor that covers the Biju is the exact same shape as the wings' feathers. Sasuke did have CB Susanoo, it was clear through visual evidence, no other Susanoo form has the shoulder pads, the scale/feather armor, the tengu mask, and the katana.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:04, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
^The thing I said. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:05, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
If its just the armored form then why does it look so wildly different, Windstar? Why does it have all the features (sans wings which look like are incorporated into the body armor) of a Complete Body - Susanoo?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:08, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
Because that's how Kishi drew it. If Naruto's new mode is Six Paths Sage Mode, why does it look so wildy different, SuperSaiyaMan? Why does it have all of the features of TBSM (sans pigmentation)? So, we can judge things based on appearance in one case and ignore the databook (Sasuke's Susanoo), but we don't do that in another (Naruto's Mode)?
Like with Sasuke's "Blaze Release". Looks like black flames, does the same thing as black flames, yet the databook says it's Fire Release. If we don't judge things based on appearance and follow the databook (like for Blaze Release and Naruto's Mode), why should we all of a sudden ignore that here, hm? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:14, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
And the Six Paths Sage Mode comparison isn't working too well with this one. Six Paths Sage Mode lacks eye pigmentation in both powered up and powered down forms and is shown in the manga. The manga shows several traits of Complete-Body Susanoo, and only Complete-Body Susanoo when Majestic Attire is used. None of the other forms traits are even used.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:15, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

And your case to ignore the databook based on appearance and speculation isn't working well either. Again, as stated in the databook, all black flames are Fire Release. And where'd you get the information that SPSM lacks pigmentation? None other than the databook. Ignoring it in one case and then supporting it in another certainaly doesn't help your argument. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:18, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Then why does it have all the traits of a Complete-Body Susanoo but it isn't connected anyway at all, Windstar?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:20, November 26, 2015 (UTC)
Because that's how Kishi drew it. We can't always judege things based on appearance if Kishi says the opposite. Reasonable speculation is still speculation. Going back and forth won't help much. If you can judge based on sheer appearance, then we can go ahead and re-insert Blaze Release in articles because it looks like it, despite what the databook says.
And if Kishi says through his databook that it's Susanoo being used and not CB - S despite appearance, then why should we ignore what he says? Simply because of how you see it? Does it look like CB - Susanoo? Yes. Does it mean that it is CB - Susanoo? Not if the databook says no. Does Naruto healing Guy look like he's using the Six Paths Yang Power? Yes. Yet the databook says it's YYR. We can't always judge things based on appearance. Reasonable speculation is still speculation. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:31, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

line Edit

With his life mission completed, Sasuke returns to Konoha to spend the rest of his life with his family and friends.

This line is not true. Whether it's wishful thinking or knowing misinformation, I don't know or care. I ask that whoever added it in the first place and then restored it not do so again. ~SnapperTo 18:58, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

How is that line not true? Sasuke's mission is over, he can stay in Konoha now.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:14, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
From the novelization of the movie, since Sasuke's whereabouts after the conflict are left unclear from the movie itself: "Sasuke looked over the two of them, and gave a smile that he never showed anyone but Sakura. Then, he disappeared into the darkness again. " Doesn't seem he stays in Konoha for "the rest of his life". It's just speculation. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:56, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
Shouldn't the movie override the novelization in this case? It never said he went back into wandering or anything.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:03, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
^Except there's no contradiction between the movie and its novelization. Things are only "overridden" if there's a contradiction. The movies and novelizations of the movies are the same, it's just that the novelization expands upon the movie just a little. The movie itself said nothing about Sasuke's whereabouts. Therefore, the novels explains that. No contradiction, therefore no "overriding". WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 20:08, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
Even without the novel, nothing in the movie suggests that he stays. And if there's no evidence of something, it doesn't belong on the wiki. ~SnapperTo 02:59, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sasuke isn't a family person, he is going to atone for his sins for the rest of his life, do research on Otsutsuki and make sure Kaguya doesn't come back no matter what etc. just being a "lone-wolf from shadows guardian" type whatever.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 05:30, November 29, 2015 (UTC)

"Forcing him to replace it with a more standard-looking Sword " Edit

I'm sorry, but who the heck keeps editing Sasuke's article? Because they really need to stop. First off, Sasuke's sword did not get lost in Kaguya's dimension.The scabbard did. The last time we saw the weapon pre epilogue was when JJ Madara was pulling it out his chest after being impaled by it. So if you want to say it was lost say it was against Madara. Because anyone with the ability to see would realize that Sasuke was carrying an empty scabbard when Kaguya took over. Furthermore, I already created a similar thread posting this link [1] Which is a translation of Sasuke's profile in the movie guidebook. The sword he has now is not standard. It's Kusanagi! Sasuke also had Kusanagi in The Last, and on the cover of Sasuke Shinden. On a completely different note. Who merged all these unrelated topics together? Buki jutsu is Bukijutsu. Kenjutsu is Kenjutsu. If they were one in the same they would be called the same thing. Not sure why I'm reading about Sasuke’s swordsmanship in that section. Also don't know why someone put his Chakra prowess,and taijutsu together as if that adds to the flow of the article. I disappear for two weeks and come back to find all this mess. SMH.--Vacent (talk) 18:22, December 3, 2015 (UTC)--Vacent (talk) 18:27, December 3, 2015 (UTC)

Image Part II (Closed) Edit

I've uploaded an image of Sasuke in Part II which is of better quality and focus of him. What do you think? --Rai 水 (talk) 02:16, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

That image had been proposed before, but it wasn't used for some reason.... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 04:48, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Oh that is odd but what is your take on this subject? Do you approve? --Rai 水 (talk) 05:03, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Im guessing the image was knocked back previously because it was heavily edited. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 05:22, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, that came from an edited image? Unless its blanking out text from scanalation manga images, we don't use edited images... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 05:43, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Kk --Rai 水 (talk) 05:52, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Part I Image Edit

I was thinking Sasuke's current image for Part I could use a change, what do you guys think of this image replacing it? --Rai 水 (talk) 06:08, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

I was gonna get around to suggesting the same image sooner or later so guess im down for changing images.--Sarutobii2 (talk) 06:30, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
A lot of image proposals lately. There has to be an issue with the current image first, before it gets changed, not just when another image pops up (otherwise, we'd just go back to the image wars saga years ago >_<). From my perspective, I see nothing wrong with the current one. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 06:33, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
I understand. I mean the current image isn't bad, it's pretty good but sometimes things need to be refreshed, in this case, especially seeing hoe it was of an image shot from the beginning of the series. --Rai 水 (talk) 06:40, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
I think the current one is fine as it is. I would welcome a change for the Part II image however....nothing urgent though. Norleon (talk) 06:43, December 20, 2015 (UTC)
Quoting Windstar from the Sakon discussion "A higher quality image is almost always more preferable (image policy)". New HD image > old image.--Bio havik (talk) 07:39, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Keyword: "Almost". WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 08:00, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Nice image. --Lukas Pessoa Dantas (talk) 16:10, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Sensory type Edit

Shouldn't he be listed as a sensory type now? He was able find the rough location of Sakura in Gaiden, and the article stated that he could sense chakra in other dimensions too... Pesa123456789 (talk)

Missing-nin Edit

Why is he still a missing-nin? Was it overlooked?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 19:35, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

There's no rank of him after the FSWW confirmed, so it's better than not to rank him at all. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 19:45, February 23, 2016 (UTC)
So we should take it out or at least get "formerly" next to it?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 14:57, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
The wiki covers all points of a series. That means information is not removed because it ceases to be true as of the most recent material, nor is it qualified as "formerly" or whatever. ~SnapperTo 17:45, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
How is it not qualified as formerly? It shows that Kakashi had Sharingan but at some point doesn't. It provided both information about the current situation and past.--Rai 水 (talk) 18:01, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
Using qualifiers like "formerly" gives undue preference to "current" information, which the wiki tries to avoid. ~SnapperTo 18:23, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Well isn't being him being Hokage using information that's current? So you pick and choose. Classification and Occupation is fine but KG possession is out of the question? --Rai 水 (talk) 18:27, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Acknowledging the most recent material is not the same as giving it preference. If we do not tag anything as "former", then the wiki simultaneously represents all points in the series as best as it can. ~SnapperTo 18:33, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
It's not acknowledging a perference. It still represents the points in the series, like I said. Kakashi has the Sharingan at one point (age 13-31 aka the past) but doesn't anymore (the future). See there, different points. --Rai 水 (talk) 18:40, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
The most recent material is given preference by the mere act of labeling what is "present" and what is "past". If there are no labels at all, then no preference is given. To stick with Sasuke as an example, wouldn't "Konoha (present)" and "Akatsuki (future)" be giving preference to Part I material? In the same way, "missing-nin (former)" would give preference to epilogue material. "~SnapperTo 19:01, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
I think you need to find a better word than perference because it sounds like you're trying to say we favor this when in fact we are just being specific. --Rai 水 (talk) 19:05, February 25, 2016 (UTC)
No, preference works. Because words like past, present, and future are subjective based on where you're speaking from with regards to the series. For example: a person says that chapter 2 is the present. This is a preference because another person can say chapter 1 is the present, which makes chapter 2 the future. Another person can also say chapter 3 is the present, which makes chapter 2 the past. If the wiki picks only one point in the series to treat as the present - such as the most recent material - then that is a preference being made over all the other points in the series. By instead treating all points of the series as the present, the wiki has no preference and all points in the series are equally represented. ~SnapperTo 19:25, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

Trying to cover all points can lead to misinterpreations. I mean Orochimaru died am I right but he's alive again. Deceased (formerly) should be there. Kakashi has the Sharingan but doesn't anymore. So to conclude in the infobox, Orochimaru never died and Kakashi still has the Sharingan. Yup makes perfect sense! --Rai 水 (talk) 23:38, February 25, 2016 (UTC)

New Part II Image Edit

Here is a new image I propose for Sasuke's Part II head-shot. Not only does it meet all of the typical qualifications pertaining to these types of discussions, but the art style of this image is vastly superior to the current one (it's ultimately why I'm proposing we use it). What do you think?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 19:42, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

I see nothing wrong with the current image to warrant a change. --SuperSajuuk (talk) 20:21, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
its somewhat of a side shot and he barely wears that Akatsuki cloak for long, while the white shirt is probably his most iconic Part 2 outfit. so Nah.--AskinNakkLeVaar (talk) 20:52, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
Vastly superior how? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 20:55, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
Vastly superior in the sense that the artistic style appears much more slicker/clean. You can tell that image was animated by a high-quality animation team, where as the current one does not looks very bland. It's overall the reason why the Part I image was changed to the current image- the art looks much better. As for the side shot complaint, that can be made for a few different characters (look at Naruto's Part II image). As for the Akatsuki cloak complaint, that can easily be cropped out.--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:04, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
While I can't explain it properly for now, despite all the "artictic style" of this image, I don't like it anyway. It doesn't seem superior to the current image, as for me. I'm totally OK with the current one. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 22:11, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
Basically, it all comes down to consistency. Right now, the current images are inconsistent, but whatever...--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 22:22, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
Not that it's a requirement, but i prefer the original 1 because it shows all of Sasuke's head/hair and he has a neutral facial expression, making it seem more appropriate imo. Im sure Goldliger will disagree with me but. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 09:33, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
What are your thoughts on a new image with better art style? Since you always upload high quality images, I'm sure you could get an even better version of what I've posted. I know you've been updating some character's infobox images lately (Kakashi, Obito, etc.). What made you decide to change them? Also, I noticed there wasn't a discussion about it on the talkpage, so I wonder why I even bothered...--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 19:17, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure there is a high quality image somewhere, but it's not like everyone will approve of it like with sasuke's part 1 image change, despite it being higher quality. If you read the comments I made, I updated obito's image like with we do with manga images frequently and anyone is free to revert kakashi's image as I said. It's common courtesy to take it to the talkpage, not a requirement, buts it's strongly recommended when it's someone's infobox image that gets edit war over occasionally eg the 2 main characters of the series. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 01:55, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Lightning Affinity Edit

There was a flashback filler in which Sasuke met with Kakashi after Kakashi did that rock climbing and Kakashi gave him a chakra paper and it wrinkled, meaning his affinity is lightning. For now, I'll put Sasuke's infobox for affinity for lightning and refer here for my reasons for rebuttals.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 20:27, April 13, 2016 (UTC)

At least put the anime only tag next to it, as that fact wasn't stated in the manga. There has been multiple "Lightning is Sasuke's affinity" discussions, and I don't remember why it wasn't added. I would guess it's because of Sasuke's proficiency with Fire Release. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 21:04, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
So long as the anime only tag is there, it should be fine at this point. It's always been a safe assumption, but just... Odd that we've never been told definitively in the manga or Data Books what chakra nature he had an affinity for prior to awakening the Rinnegan. There's always been a chance of him preferring Raiton due to its utility. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 21:14, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but I always thought we considered lightning to be his affinity because of what Kakashi said when Sasuke first used Chidori in the Chunin Exams, something along the lines "I taught him because he's the same type as I am". Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:13, April 13, 2016 (UTC)
Yep, you mentioned it not too long ago. Most initially presumed Kakashi was just talking about them both having the Sharingan, being speedy, possessing comparable talent, or all of the above; and those could still apply. This was long, long before the technicalities of Seishitsu Henka were detailed to us, after all. I wouldn't consider that a definitive confirmation of which nature he has an affinity for. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 00:01, April 14, 2016 (UTC)
Sasuke was only proficient with Fire Release through practice. All shinobi have an easier time learning their nature affinity than others. Not to mention the entire time he was training to kill Itachi, he spent that time honing his Lightning attacks more than Fire.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 01:32, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Considering that Naruto and Sasuke sorta parallel Fūjin-raijin (Wind vs Lightning) and Sasuke's ultimate attack, Indra's Arrow is Lightning Release, I would say his affinity is much more strongly implied to be Lightning.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 04:54, April 14, 2016 (UTC)


Nobody should've added that tag without researching thoroughly; the epitome of thoughtlessness. There's manga panel shows Kakashi saying he trained Sasuke because "he's the same type as me", and with that, the panel shows him using Chidori. It's backed up by the slew of high ranking Raiton techs at his disposal. (Chap 113) Pesa123456789 (talk) 16:18, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, Kakashi just said "he's much like me" when explaining to Guy and Naruto why he decided to train only Sasuke and concentrate on him alone. It could be interpreted various ways, not necessarily their common affinity, but for example their genius nature or Sharingan mastery. And if we remember that, as SaiST already pointed out, the whole concept of the nature transformaton hasn't been introduced yet, it's even more plausible that Kakashi talked about some of these common traits we mentioned. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 16:54, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
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