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== Susanoo Chidori? ==
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Considering what we did in making the article [[Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi]], should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Age? ==
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== another part 2 pic discussion ==
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Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in ''Shippūden'' episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (''Madara'' and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Why is he depicted as a year older than the rest of the rookies? --[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Unless I'm mistaken, the ages originate from databooks in most cases--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Well alright but it seems odd considering he was 12-13 in Part 1 plus the wiki had it as 15-16 a few weeks/months ago--[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:48, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sage Transformation ==
 
 
I believe Sasuke should be marked as a (former) Sage Transformation user as he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and Jugo said that his and his "copies" tranformation were the same thing. Any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 19:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:My opinion is that this chapter made things complicate where they didn't have to be complicated. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:16, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Except he didn't use Sage Transformation. He used the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A copy it may be, but that doesn't make it the same thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
He didn't, Sage Transformation is what Jugo's clan is using ...
 
* Their body absorbing natural energies, and an enzyme reacting to it, transforming their bodies ... It's not a Senjutsu chakra as that's a balance of 3 energies, and they aren't manipulating natural energies themselves.
 
* Curse Marks/Cursed Seal Transformation use Senjutsu chakra and an enzyme based on Jugo clan's,
 
the difference is that the former is like a KKG, the latter is a tattoo and the workings are similar but not the same.
 
But to make it simple, Sage Transformation is Natural Energy causing them to mutate due to their bodies passively absorbing it and the enzyme reacting, while Cursed Seal Transformation is Senjutsu Chakra (but not a Sage Mode 0_o) + Transformation
 
At least that's how it appears to be--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Ok i get that...but i believe the curse seal works just like Jugo's clan abilities, but not in a perfect way since cursed seal users are only limited to one type of transformation...and i believe the whole Orochimaru Senjutsu chakra thing was a mistranslation of him talking about his revival. But i get the general idea. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 16:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Jugo's works {KKG-absorbs natural energy, enzyme causes body to mutate and triggers rage and madness = sage transformation] CS works [a modified enzyme of Jugo transforms a body, draws chakra, gives Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra] I don't think there are any mistranslations, raw is out already--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Uhm, didn't Jūgo himself say it was called Cursed Seal Transformation to those whom cursed seals were applied to? The only way someone can have Sage Transformation is if they're from Jūgo's clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:I found the [[:File:Sasuke headshot.png|image]] and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::{{Support}} The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
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:::::Also, can people '''''stop''''' changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. '''Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki.''' --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yep, Sage Transformation is an actual result of their KKG, while Cursed Seal Transformation is due to a tattoo--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
:Can the resident translator clear these doubts off? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
:But the thing is that the Curse Seal is made from Jugo's enzymes with some modifications, which in a sense is the same as Kakashi using a Sharingan, or Danzo and Madara using the Wood Release because they took the body part/DNA of the individual using said KKG. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Suki is gone, ask the new S.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== natural energy ==
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He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:He can't. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::He commented on it, so he can, or not?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That was Naruto. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Why would Naruto be surprised?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Why wouldn't he? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
The enzyme in itself isn't a KKG, only a result of it, like a fluid the bodies of a Jugo Clan's members do produce.
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Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
A Cursed Seal host doesn't produce the enzyme because he/she have no such KKG, it's a sealing tattoo with the modified enzyme in it. EDIT: to make it simple, Sasuke nor other CS users didn't use Sage Transformation as that's something only Jugo Clan's member and Kabuto due to having Jugo's DNA can/could use--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:Hum...ok...i actually reached that conclusion myself, it actually makes somewhat more sense as whole since i never understood how a Cursed gave such a power-up by just forcing more chakra out of the user...i guess this would explain both the power up and the drain caused by the seal. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
== P1 and P2 Infobox pics ==
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@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
I noticed earlier that someone added a Part 2 image to the infobox. I made a contribution myself, and it worked really well. So why exactly was it reversed? If those are outdated images of the characters, I think it's pretty unprofessional to not at least have both images selectable for the infobox. Look at the One Piece wikia.. and I know, I know, we do things differently here. but the One Piece Wiki uses both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip pictures for the characters, and nobody seems to complain, since they're recent. What exactly is the problem with keeping the infobox images accurate to the current plot of the manga? --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
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==Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang Release==
:We list them as they were first introduced. For part 1 characters, that means part 1 images. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:42, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Deuteragonist in intro? ==
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Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.
   
Why not add Deuteragonist in the intro? Its pretty clear at this point (it was in part 1 actually) ? I can add it myself, of course but just wondering is it not allowed or something? Very good article, like the rest :) Keep up the good work Narutopedia!{{unsigned|178.223.69.107}}
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If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-[[User:World Master|World Master]] ([[User talk:World Master|talk]]) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:You do understand that Sasuke helped Itachi for self-serving reasons yes? You also do recall that he said he's still going to seek revenge yes? Sasuke's brief moment of inadvertently aiding the shinobi doesn't call for a change in his introduction.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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:Na. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::Mangastream says an entirely different thing--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha/Archive_6#Deuteragonist [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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== Preta Path? ==
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Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:He didn't absorb it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
@ Cerez Since when Deuteragonist has to be on Protagonists side?
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Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deuteragonist
 
"This person can be either with, or against The Protagonist - thus sometimes pulling double duty as a main Antagonist, though they are rarely the primary antagonist in these scenarios"
 
   
== "..first named technique.." ==
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It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between [[Preta Path]] and [[Blocking Technique Absorption Seal]]? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike [[Deva Path|Deva]] and [[Asura Path]]s with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::From the technique's description on this wiki: ''"Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."''... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another '''type''' of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Referring to Tsukuyomi. While I do not share the opinion that Sasuke has used the ability, I understand this wiki's decision to list it as one of his techniques due to the 3rd Databook's description of Susanoo's prerequisites. Still, none of the Genjutsu Sasuke's cast from his Mangekyo Sharingan have been identified as Tsukuyomi. I believe that the earlier edit(s), in which the first ability of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is PRESUMED to be Tsukuyomi, was more appropriate. [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
:Precisely because of what you mentioned before, the presumption was removed. It's better to let it as such until something is said otherwise.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:29, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== infant image ==
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Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the [[Preta Path (character)|Preta Path corpse]] and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.
   
Shouldn't we use the anime version instead in a case that the anime's portrayal one is incorrect?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
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'''Chapters / Episodes'''
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#Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
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#Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
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#Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
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#Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
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#Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
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#Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
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#Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
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#Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
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#Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)
   
Bump, I vote for the correct manga version of the image--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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'''Summary'''
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#Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's [[Sage Art: Goemon]]. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's [[Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan]] with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's [[Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet]]. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the ''Color Edition'' lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
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#Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
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#Absorbs Naruto's [[Wind Release: Rasenshuriken]]. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken ([[Shadow Clone Technique]] and [[Transformation Technique]]). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his [[Lariat]]. He says "''Preta Path.''" No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
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#Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's [[Rasengan]]. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
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#Madara absorbs Sasuke's [[Amaterasu]]. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's [[Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal]] with his [[Susanoo]] soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
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#Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)
   
== Regarding the Abilities section ==
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Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?
   
Does this section really need to be written like an advertisement?--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 22:30, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
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I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
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* barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
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* no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s
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Just my opinion--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him '''because''' he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
   
Yeah, cause Lord Sasuke deserves it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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::Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Just as they ''"vanished"'' when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against '''immediately''' after? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
All character's ability sections are written like that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
:True. All persons abilities sections are written to show them off, no matter what little is known of them.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Alright. I do think it's a bit worse than with other abilities sections, but that probably has to do with Sasuke's role in the story. Still, there are some odd things:
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== Sage ==
:''Sasuke is hailed as a genius, even by the battle-adept Uchiha clan's standards, excelling at all that he does and finding little difficulty in more challenging tasks.''
 
Uhm, doesn't that ignore a significant part of the story where Sasuke is the less talented, little brother of Itachi!?
 
:''Overall, Sasuke has become highly proficent (sic) in all of his clan's techniques with advanced knowledge of their respective natures, despite his lack of formal training by relying solely on his innate talent and determination.''
 
Respective natures!? Lack of formal training!? What is meant by that exactly?
 
:''Although not his favoured combat skill, Sasuke's taijutsu was at a very high level since the start of the series.''
 
Shouldn't that be "not his favoured combat TACTIC", because his taijutsu skills are he foundation for his other skills.
 
:''Sasuke has displayed an above-average level of physical strength. Despite being weakened in the fight, he was [able] to lift and carry an unconscious Killer B (which was actually one of Gyūki's tentacles) with <s>a single</s> [one] hand.''
 
Well, it's not as if anyone else has carried Killer B around, but with chakra enhanced speed and chakra enhanced strength almost everywhere, is that actually worth mentioning? Also, I pretty sure that he didn't carry Killer B "with a single hand", but carried him on a single shoulder. And calling it "above average"?
 
:''He also has high levels of stamina and endurance as he was able to withstand being battered, thrown and slammed around by Naruto in his jinchūriki forms,...''
 
In his cursed seal mode! Isn't that important to mention?
 
:''After his Sharingan fully develops, he was also able to match the speed of both Naruto's initial jinchūriki form and one-tailed form during their fight, though couldn't completely dodge the latter's demon shroud.''
 
Again without mentioning his cursed seal mode.
 
:''Furthmore (sic), his speed and precision have yet to leave his blade stained with any blood even when inflicting lethal strikes on his opponent.''
 
Isn't that because he's running lightning through his sword? ... And those were some of the things I noticed. Thanks.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 14:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* While we do praise people, comparing them to others is frowned upon here. So even if Sasuke is called a genius, we would not say, "less than his brother" and however many other persons that may have been more talented than him.
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So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
* Not too sure myself since he's been "trained" and I've only ever seen him use two "Uchiha" techniques, but this place isn't run by machines.
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: The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
* Okay
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::I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
* Fair enough as well, I also thought Jūgo carried B, not Sasuke
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::: Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
* Stamina and endurance stuff removed
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::::Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
* That statement is wrong, the Sharingan didn't grant him speed, but the ability to dodge the attacks.
 
* Removed
 
Because Sasuke is one of the "more popular" characters, if editors don't patroll the pages regularly, stuff like this gets "sneaked" in without our knowing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention any way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* Itachi was stronger than Sasuke, but the latter was noted numerous times to have the potential to surpass Itachi in time, stated to have a better Sharingan skill and his chakra was compared to that of Madara.
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After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Not to mention Naruto and Sasuke are equal, and the former is now like the strongest unit in the Ninja Alliance. Also the whole "next generation surpasses the previous" or some shit.
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:So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
* Sasuke had trained to equal Itachi's skill with Ninja Tools, used them in conjunction with his Fire and Lighting techniques REALLY well, and even used a modified/next-gen version of Uchiha Madara's dragon heads/projectiles technique.
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::Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Itachi was hailed as a prodigy, Sasuke as well, with him eventually surpassing the older brother.
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::: Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
So this isn't false, Sasuke has used an "Uchiha" technique without being trained in it, and copied Itachi's shuriken target practice by memorizing it.
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::::@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already [http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sasuke_Uchiha&diff=944867&oldid=944865 here in this edit]... :P [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
* I thinkhe has talent to rival Lee in Taijutsu, for copying a few moves and in a 30 day training mastering something that took Lee years.
 
But later in the series, it's not a common part of his fighting style, relying more on Kenjutsu now.
 
* The databook gives Sasuke 3,5 in strength, now it's more than likely even more (4 I guess) taking into consideration that he wasn't exclusively trained in muscle mass department, it's valid.
 
Also Sasuke is a late 16 years old teenager, Killer B a muscular big dark-skinned dude in his late 30's.
 
Sasuke isn't noted to be using any strength-enhancing technique (with the Cursed Seal being removed at that point already) "maybe" some limited Eight Gates opening skill (Kakashi level)
 
* I wouldn't say Sasuke has any noticeable natural endurance... that's Naruto's area.
 
Actually without his cursed seal, he got pwned in a single punch by Killer B and wouldn't have survived the Raikage's attack if it wasn't for his Susanoo.
 
* Why removed? In my opinion, it takes a great mastery with a sword to cut due to 1000 Ninja and disarm them without taking their lives.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== another bug? ==
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@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
jutsu list isn't displaying again.{{unsigned|68.36.225.244}}
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Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 15:43, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Black lightning? ==
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Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Is Sasuke's dark chidori or flapping chidori a black lightning move? Or just a darker and stronger chidori? [[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
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== Rinnegan ==
:Not a black lightning technique, specially since in an artbook, said technique was purple. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
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Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, I'm colorblind so....--[[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
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@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Introduction section ==
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==Who keeps doing this?==
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Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted?
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[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
I noticed, in the Introduction section, it says '...kept getting drawn in by ''Sakura's romantic advances'' and Naruto's attempts at competition.
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== Deactivated Rinnegan ==
   
I fail to see where he was ever drawn in to Sakura's romantic advances. He called her annoying and, in the Viz translation of the manga said that she made him sick, both occurrences in Part 1.
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In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we wait for the movie itself to give us an answer? Scenes from Naruto movie trailers are ofter omitted/altered in the final product, and from what we've seen in the manga so far, Sasuke can't deactivate his Rinnengan, since he doesn't turn it of when he overuses it, when his chakra runs too low, or when he isn't fighting, while he does deactivate his (Mangekyou) Sharingan in all 3 of these cases. [[User:Patsoumas1995|Patsoumas1995]] ([[User talk:Patsoumas1995|talk]]) 21:03, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
He never acted on them in any way, so far as I remember, at least not positively. Not saying he didn't care for her or anything, but that statement is puzzling. Anyone care to explain to me? I'm kinda mind boggled by the logic in there...--[[User:AkasunaNoJade|AkasunaNoJade]] ([[User talk:AkasunaNoJade|talk]]) 08:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
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== Stamina and endurance? ==
   
:Fixed, I suppose.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:37, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
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Do you think the info about Sasuke's stamina and endurance should be part of his chakra and stamina section? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 02:55, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Maybe add [[:File:Drive toward the darkness.png|this]] to further describe sasuke's descent into hatred? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 22:34, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
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If you can word it in a way that sounds good then add it. If it gets deleted well then...i don't know what to tell you. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 03:04, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
:Unnecessary. Also, that's from a filler. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I thought that see sasuke's hatred consumed eyes as a chlid may help better add to his descent to hate as a chlid [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
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==Out of curiosity==
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Why has Sasuke been added as a Yin-Yang user?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 22:43, November 3, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:According to FF-Suzaku [[Thread:148141#308|here]], from what he got from the fourth databook, receiving Hagoromo's power directly from him grants Yin-Yang Release. In chapter 693, Hagoromo stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke the same amount of power. [[User_talk:FF-Suzaku#Hagoromo.27s_power_and_Yin-Yang|I asked]] FF-Suzaku about it and he said [[User_talk:WindStar7125#Re:Hagoromo.27s_power_and_Yin-Yang|it was logical]] that Sasuke is a Yin-Yang Release user due to those two stated facts. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:57, November 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why did someone remove "rotten ninja world"? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
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Also how come he has all the basic nature release transformation types in his infobox? Is it simply because he posses the Rinnegan? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 06:39, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
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: That was directly stated in data book. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 06:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we say that Sasuke has an affinity towards lightning, because of that one filler episode with the paper?--[[Special:Contributions/24.166.174.117|24.166.174.117]] ([[User talk:24.166.174.117|talk]]) 22:23, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
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What is the sentence in which it states that Sasuke possesses all five elements? Had he learned them due to Rinnegan?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 14:35, November 15, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
   
== Kusari user ==
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== Missing ninja ==
   
In what occasion of the anime, was Sasuke shown as using the kusari? Cuz he's listed as one in the anime and i can't find a single refference to it, soo a little direction would be appreciated. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 00:46, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
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Why is Sasuke still a missing ninja? He's been pardoned because of Kakashi & Naruto, so he should no longer be a missing ninja. [[User:Sin2|Sin2]] ([[User talk:Sin2|talk]]) 10:47, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
:In the Paw Encyclopaedia filler. In a flashback, he captures one of the cats with chains. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:10, December 15, 2012 (UTC)
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:Because we cover the whole series at once?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:51, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Curse mark? ==
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[[User:Sin2|Sin2]] ([[User talk:Sin2|talk]]) 14:04, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
I can't remember if they have shown this, but Sasuke still got his Curse Mark right? Long time no see acturly. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 12:41, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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Shouldn't, "Missin-nin" be removed from Sasuke's infobox? He's no longer a missing ninja, so by removing, "Missing-nin" it'd improve Sasuke's article.{{Unsigned|Sin2}}
:It was removed by Itachi during their last fight, when Orochimaru was sealed by Itachi's sword. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 12:46, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:And Kakashi no longer has Sharingan, yet we don't remove that.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
{{UseAnswersWiki}}''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:black;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:50, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
Great thanks. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 12:51, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Something about his appearance ==
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== Marriage? ==
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I don't know if this in his appearance but there seems be not mention of the lines under Sasuke's eyes he had for the longest time from when he started killing the samurai up till Edo Tensei was released. His emotions and mindset seem to determine when they're there or not. --[[Special:Contributions/67.142.164.24|67.142.164.24]] ([[User talk:67.142.164.24|talk]]) 04:01, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Both his and Sakura's pages stated that they're married, I've read the last chapters and it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere and unlike all the other couples, he's frequently out of the village so it seems even more unlikely that they're married. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 10:42, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Expressions of madness--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
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But they have a daughter named Sarada. Sarada call Sakura "ママ" (means "mama" in Japanese). When Sarada said to Sakura that she and Boruto have some common like their relationship about thier father, she refers as Sasuke "パパ" (means "papa" in Japanese). So doesn't that means they are married? [[User:MichiyoChiba|MichiyoChiba]] ([[User talk:MichiyoChiba|talk]]) 12:10, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not really, just means that she knows who Sasuke is and he's visited enough that she kinda likes him, doesn't imply marriage in any way. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 20:13, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Sasuke may NOT HAVE Tsukuyomi ==
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This is stupid. Are we going to question whether or not Naruto and Hinata are married? There was no mention of it in the latest chapter either.--[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 20:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well, While i do think that Sasuke did use Tsukuyomi - It's nothing but a theory.....
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: We're not questioning anything. They're married, they have a daughter, the end. I will not warn twice. We don't care if you don't like the end pairings or not. It is how it is. Edit: The Viz also translated Sarada's words to mean "father", so yes, she is Sasuke and Sakura's daughter. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
Lets start with the idea that you should write facts only.
 
according to Tobi [Naruto chapter 480 page 6] Sasuke used simply a weak genjutsu.
 
However, That Tsukuyomi that Sasuke used did not have a moon, It reminds of Itachi's Tsukuyomi yet it doesn't have to be one.
 
Now for the last chapter that might prove that Sasuke do not have a Tsukuyomi
 
In chapter 585 page 12 Sasuke did not say Tsukuyomi but genjutsu sharingan While itachi did say Tsukuyomi.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 05:49, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Your point?[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 06:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
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==Wood Release==
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It is revealed in the epilogue that he eventually got the prothstetic hand which Sakura said was made from Hashirama cells which would give him access to wood release like Obito, Madara, Danzo, Zetsu, and Orochimaru.--[[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:30, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
   
My point is that you should remove from the jutsu list the Tsukuyomi ability, Same goes to the abilities which clearly says did he does have Tsukuyomi while he possibily doesn't have[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 06:40, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Same for Naruto too--[[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:33, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
: It has already been decided to list him as a user, i refer you to some of the discussions above to see why if you like.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.231|71.71.58.231]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.231|talk]]) 07:18, January 27, 2013 (UTC) Yomiko-chan
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:In the epilogue, all I saw was his right hand. He lost his left. Correct me if I'm wrong. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 23:43, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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It says on his page that he now has a prothstetic hand but if it's not enough, what about Naruto being listed for wood release? We know he has a right hand and we know what it's made from.--[[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]] ([[User talk:Officialkamuiblade|talk]]) 23:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade
   
In order to use [[Susanoo]], a person needs to be able to use both [[Amaterasu]] and [[Tsukuyomi]].'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 07:34, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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If having Hashirama's DNA alone suffices for having Mokuton, then Sasuke should have been listed as a Nokuton user as soon as Kabuto injected him with Hashirama's cells. [[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]]) 15:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
No, The databook most likely was wrong , Kishi simply changed his mind. It was along ago and it's no more, I gave you a clear proves from the manga which says that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi , Manga >= Databook.
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:Exactly. How long after Orochimaru took over a Zetsu spore clone was he listed as a Mokuton user?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 15:55, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
You can't rely on the Databook while the manga says otherwise. - Yomiko-chan, But the manga clearly says that he does NOT have.
 
[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 08:10, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No, Sasuke surely has it, he used it against Danzo twice. One time when Danzo saw Itachi casting Amaterasu on him and the second time when he fooled him by believing he still has some Sharingan left for his Izanagi (both Tobi and Danzo said that it was Tsukuyomi and not another genjutsu, although it was not as powerful as Itachi's version.) He also used his Mangekyō Sharingan for it. Why should he do that if he could cast a simple genjutsu with his normal sharingan?[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 10:35, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I disagree, Sasuke used the same ability with the second eye twice, After tobi noticed it (in chapter 480 page 6) He said himself it was simply a genjutsu and nothing else, The Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu is somewhat stronger genjutsu I don't know, But CLEARLY it isn't Tsukuyomi , Why would he say Mangekyo genjutsu instead of Tsukuyomi ? UHMMM.... Maybe casue it isn't, Apart from it, Sasuke has 3 abilities (which i disagree but it's not the point) , Blaze release , Susanoo and Amaterasu , Which means as Sasuke said himself, 3 abilitis .. No Tsukuyomi here.
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He has Hashirama's cells, therefore we should list him as a Mokuton user.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 14:07, November 15, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
The manga might be confusing abit alright, Though we cannot ignore the facts that it was NEVER said that it is a Tsukuyomi , And considering the fact it was said it isn't Tsukuyomi and sasuke NEVER said Tsukuyomi while activing the mangekyo genjutsu ability.. It wasn't Tsukuyomi alright.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 12:56, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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: He did not have his prosthetic hand in the final chapter. Only his right hand was shown. --<span style="background:#FFA500">[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]])</span> 16:45, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:: He has the cells that Kabuto used to save him from death. Kabuto said that they were Hashi's cells. But I don't think we should add Wood Release to him OR Naruto, though I've already seen that Naruto is already added..--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 17:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I second that opinion. It's one thing to deny him the release because he hasn't shown it, but neither Orochimaru nor Naruto have used Wood Release abilities, and yet are still awarded the release. At the very least you should give Sasuke the release to keep up consistency if nothing else. [[User:Omega64|Omega64 狐]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 00:39, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Guys, there's no need to start up this discussion for the hundredth million time. Until it is said otherwise, Amaterasu+Tsukuyomi=Susanoo. I really don't think there's any need to bring this up again because no one here is going to say anything that hasn't been said in every other discussion.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:05, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Actually, according to official sketches of The Last, Sasuke does not have the prosthetic left arm. And in the epilogue, what was shown was his right arm and not his left.
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:Personally, it doesn't make any sense to list both Naruto and Orochimaru as having Wood Release, whether they have Hashirama's cells or not. However, as Omega said, Sasuke also gained Hashirama's cells when Kabuto was healing him- prosthetic hand or not, then he should also be listed as having Wood Release to keep up the consistency. Unless you would like to entertain the idea of removing Wood Release from Naruto and Orochimaru's articles... --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 02:37, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::I'm pretty sure a certain amount of Hashirama's cells must be needed to utilize Wood Release. Danzo and Naruto have an arm, Obito had his entire right side, Orochimaru is inhabiting the body of a White Zetsu, and Madara had the left side of his chest. --<span style="background:#FFA500">[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]])</span> 02:46, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::The amount of cells has nothing to do with it. Recall, Madara only had a sliver of meat from Hashirama and the cells from that were enough for him to not only get the Wood Release, but also Hashirama's Healing Power. Danzo and Obito also explained that the cells themselves will attempt to consume you, and it takes considerable willpower to resist and overpower the cells. Madara also explained that he has completely subjugated the cells, thus he is able to use the power on a similar level to Hashirama himself. [[User:Omega64|Omega64 狐]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 03:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::::You do have a valid point as always, Omega64. I also want to keep the consistency just like you do, so hopefully you'll be able to persuade Tau, Elve, TU3, and others.
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Yet you simply ignore the fact that Sasuke never used Tsukuyomi , The manga showed us [chapter 585 page 12] that it's somewhat Mangekyo Sharingan genjutsu and nothing else. Due to that and more few reasons it's no longer a fact.[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 13:36, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Yin and Yang Release ==
:This is a wikia. We have to base information here on a '''premise'''. If databook says Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to awaken Susanoo, and Itachi said the same, why should we go against it and say "oh Sasuke may not have Tsukuyomi because you know, he's the one exception"? Also not that Danzō compared Sasuke's genjutsu to that of Itachi's which could control time and '''that''' was what Tobi was commenting on noting that it was just another genjutsu. Why in blazes would someone compare a regular genjutsu with something on the level of Tsukuyomi. Until it is said otherwise, that is what we have to work on. If and when it is ever said contrary, feel free to come back here and do the "I told you so" dance by which time I'll be long gone, and you'll be dead Dumbledore!--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Also, even IF the genjutsu used by Sasuke in that fight really weren't Tsukuyomi, we still could not say that he is not able to use it. The databook says one needs both abilities to use Susanoo, and that is a fact. Madara also never used Amaterasu, yet he could use Susanoo and is therefore also able to use Amaterasu. The databooks are official references, therefore a person IS able to use a technique if it stands so in a databook, even if that person was not seen using the technique yet in the manga or anime.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 14:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
[http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/38425/901511-sasuke_uses_tsukuyomi_on_8_tails_super.jpg /topic] he activated his MS for the purpose of using that genjutsu, it put strain on his eye and there's the kill bill filter scheme lol, not to mention Killer B had tentacle guy free him from it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Is it safe to remove the manga only tags from Yin & Yang Release in Sasuke's nature type section in his infobox? The databook confirmed his ability to use them. Yin/Yang is a different issue.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 20:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:"Manga only," to my understanding, is a tag used when a certain ability has appeared in the manga and not the anime nor video game. So far, Sasuke gaining Hagoromo's power hasn't happened in the anime yet, therefore the "manga only" tag stays. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 20:41, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
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::He is talking about Yin Release and Yang Release, not Yin-Yang Release. Genjutsu are Yin Release and Sasuke can use them since Part I. I believe. And for all we know, he could use Yang Release prior to Hagoromo dosage--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Since the Akimichi Clan's techniques were said to be Yang Release (expanding bodies and such), we could possibly say Sasuke has experience with Yang Release through his Cursed Seal of Heaven. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 06:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
--Elveonora ~ it doesn't prove anything really... Just that it's similar to the Tsukuyomi ... As i said at the later chapters Sasuke clearly doesn't have Tsukuyomi .[[User:Zahi101|Zahi101]] ([[User talk:Zahi101|talk]]) 20:16, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
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== Chakra ==
   
Clearly to you, I don't see your "proof" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:27, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe someone can get a picture of Sasuke undo Danzo's seal with his chakra? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 00:17, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

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Susanoo Chidori? Edit

Considering what we did in making the article Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

another part 2 pic discussion Edit

Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in Shippūden episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (Madara and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --SSJ2AJB 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I found the image and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --SSJ2AJB 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 Support — The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --Bio havik (talk) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
Also, can people stop changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki. --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --SSJ2AJB 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --SSJ2AJB 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

natural energy Edit

He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He can't. • Seelentau 愛 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He commented on it, so he can, or not?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
That was Naruto. • Seelentau 愛 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why would Naruto be surprised?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why wouldn't he? • Seelentau 愛 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • Seelentau 愛 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. • Seelentau 愛 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • Seelentau 愛 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang ReleaseEdit

Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.

If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-World Master (talk) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Na. • Seelentau 愛 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Mangastream says an entirely different thing--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path? Edit

Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He didn't absorb it. • Seelentau 愛 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • Seelentau 愛 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike Deva and Asura Paths with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. General Awesomo (talk) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
From the technique's description on this wiki: "Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another type of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the Preta Path corpse and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.

Chapters / Episodes

  1. Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
  2. Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
  3. Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
  4. Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
  5. Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
  6. Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
  7. Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
  8. Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
  9. Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
  10. Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
  11. Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
  12. Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)

Summary

  1. Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
  2. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
  3. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the Color Edition lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
  4. Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
  5. Absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken (Shadow Clone Technique and Transformation Technique). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
  6. Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  7. Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  8. Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his Lariat. He says "Preta Path." No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
  9. Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's Rasengan. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  10. Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
  11. Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal with his Susanoo soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
  12. Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)

Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?

I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. General Awesomo (talk) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
  • barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
  • no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s

Just my opinion--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • Seelentau 愛 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him because he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • Seelentau 愛 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Just as they "vanished" when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against immediately after? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sage Edit

So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. Arawn 999 (talk) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already here in this edit... :P • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan Edit

Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Who keeps doing this?Edit

Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Deactivated Rinnegan Edit

In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't we wait for the movie itself to give us an answer? Scenes from Naruto movie trailers are ofter omitted/altered in the final product, and from what we've seen in the manga so far, Sasuke can't deactivate his Rinnengan, since he doesn't turn it of when he overuses it, when his chakra runs too low, or when he isn't fighting, while he does deactivate his (Mangekyou) Sharingan in all 3 of these cases. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 21:03, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Stamina and endurance? Edit

Do you think the info about Sasuke's stamina and endurance should be part of his chakra and stamina section? Justin Holland (talk) 02:55, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

If you can word it in a way that sounds good then add it. If it gets deleted well then...i don't know what to tell you. Munchvtec (talk) 03:04, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Out of curiosityEdit

Why has Sasuke been added as a Yin-Yang user?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:43, November 3, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

According to FF-Suzaku here, from what he got from the fourth databook, receiving Hagoromo's power directly from him grants Yin-Yang Release. In chapter 693, Hagoromo stated that he gave Naruto and Sasuke the same amount of power. I asked FF-Suzaku about it and he said it was logical that Sasuke is a Yin-Yang Release user due to those two stated facts. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 22:57, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Also how come he has all the basic nature release transformation types in his infobox? Is it simply because he posses the Rinnegan? Banan14kab 06:39, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

That was directly stated in data book. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 06:42, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

What is the sentence in which it states that Sasuke possesses all five elements? Had he learned them due to Rinnegan?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:35, November 15, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

Missing ninja Edit

Why is Sasuke still a missing ninja? He's been pardoned because of Kakashi & Naruto, so he should no longer be a missing ninja. Sin2 (talk) 10:47, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Because we cover the whole series at once?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:51, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sin2 (talk) 14:04, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Shouldn't, "Missin-nin" be removed from Sasuke's infobox? He's no longer a missing ninja, so by removing, "Missing-nin" it'd improve Sasuke's article.—This unsigned comment was made by Sin2 (talkcontribs) .

And Kakashi no longer has Sharingan, yet we don't remove that.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Marriage? Edit

This discussion is closed.

Both his and Sakura's pages stated that they're married, I've read the last chapters and it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere and unlike all the other couples, he's frequently out of the village so it seems even more unlikely that they're married. TricksterKing (talk) 10:42, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

But they have a daughter named Sarada. Sarada call Sakura "ママ" (means "mama" in Japanese). When Sarada said to Sakura that she and Boruto have some common like their relationship about thier father, she refers as Sasuke "パパ" (means "papa" in Japanese). So doesn't that means they are married? MichiyoChiba (talk) 12:10, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Not really, just means that she knows who Sasuke is and he's visited enough that she kinda likes him, doesn't imply marriage in any way. TricksterKing (talk) 20:13, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

This is stupid. Are we going to question whether or not Naruto and Hinata are married? There was no mention of it in the latest chapter either.--Vacent (talk) 20:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

We're not questioning anything. They're married, they have a daughter, the end. I will not warn twice. We don't care if you don't like the end pairings or not. It is how it is. Edit: The Viz also translated Sarada's words to mean "father", so yes, she is Sasuke and Sakura's daughter. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 21:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Wood ReleaseEdit

It is revealed in the epilogue that he eventually got the prothstetic hand which Sakura said was made from Hashirama cells which would give him access to wood release like Obito, Madara, Danzo, Zetsu, and Orochimaru.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:30, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

Same for Naruto too--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:33, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

In the epilogue, all I saw was his right hand. He lost his left. Correct me if I'm wrong. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 23:43, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

It says on his page that he now has a prothstetic hand but if it's not enough, what about Naruto being listed for wood release? We know he has a right hand and we know what it's made from.--Officialkamuiblade (talk) 23:48, November 11, 2014 (UTC)Officialkamuiblade

If having Hashirama's DNA alone suffices for having Mokuton, then Sasuke should have been listed as a Nokuton user as soon as Kabuto injected him with Hashirama's cells. Pesa123456789 (talk) 15:27, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. How long after Orochimaru took over a Zetsu spore clone was he listed as a Mokuton user?--Minamoto15 (talk) 15:55, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

He has Hashirama's cells, therefore we should list him as a Mokuton user.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 14:07, November 15, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

He did not have his prosthetic hand in the final chapter. Only his right hand was shown. --Questionaredude (talk) 16:45, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
He has the cells that Kabuto used to save him from death. Kabuto said that they were Hashi's cells. But I don't think we should add Wood Release to him OR Naruto, though I've already seen that Naruto is already added..--Omojuze (talk) 17:33, November 15, 2014 (UTC)
I second that opinion. It's one thing to deny him the release because he hasn't shown it, but neither Orochimaru nor Naruto have used Wood Release abilities, and yet are still awarded the release. At the very least you should give Sasuke the release to keep up consistency if nothing else. Omega64 狐 (talk) 00:39, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, according to official sketches of The Last, Sasuke does not have the prosthetic left arm. And in the epilogue, what was shown was his right arm and not his left. ~ • WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Personally, it doesn't make any sense to list both Naruto and Orochimaru as having Wood Release, whether they have Hashirama's cells or not. However, as Omega said, Sasuke also gained Hashirama's cells when Kabuto was healing him- prosthetic hand or not, then he should also be listed as having Wood Release to keep up the consistency. Unless you would like to entertain the idea of removing Wood Release from Naruto and Orochimaru's articles... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:37, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure a certain amount of Hashirama's cells must be needed to utilize Wood Release. Danzo and Naruto have an arm, Obito had his entire right side, Orochimaru is inhabiting the body of a White Zetsu, and Madara had the left side of his chest. --Questionaredude (talk) 02:46, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
The amount of cells has nothing to do with it. Recall, Madara only had a sliver of meat from Hashirama and the cells from that were enough for him to not only get the Wood Release, but also Hashirama's Healing Power. Danzo and Obito also explained that the cells themselves will attempt to consume you, and it takes considerable willpower to resist and overpower the cells. Madara also explained that he has completely subjugated the cells, thus he is able to use the power on a similar level to Hashirama himself. Omega64 狐 (talk) 03:59, November 17, 2014 (UTC)
You do have a valid point as always, Omega64. I also want to keep the consistency just like you do, so hopefully you'll be able to persuade Tau, Elve, TU3, and others.
~ • WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 04:06, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Yin and Yang Release Edit

Is it safe to remove the manga only tags from Yin & Yang Release in Sasuke's nature type section in his infobox? The databook confirmed his ability to use them. Yin/Yang is a different issue.--Minamoto15 (talk) 20:21, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

"Manga only," to my understanding, is a tag used when a certain ability has appeared in the manga and not the anime nor video game. So far, Sasuke gaining Hagoromo's power hasn't happened in the anime yet, therefore the "manga only" tag stays. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 20:41, November 12, 2014 (UTC)
He is talking about Yin Release and Yang Release, not Yin-Yang Release. Genjutsu are Yin Release and Sasuke can use them since Part I. I believe. And for all we know, he could use Yang Release prior to Hagoromo dosage--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:47, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
Since the Akimichi Clan's techniques were said to be Yang Release (expanding bodies and such), we could possibly say Sasuke has experience with Yang Release through his Cursed Seal of Heaven. General Awesomo (talk) 06:51, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Chakra Edit

Maybe someone can get a picture of Sasuke undo Danzo's seal with his chakra? Justin Holland (talk) 00:17, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

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