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== Age? ==
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== Susanoo Chidori? ==
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Considering what we did in making the article [[Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi]], should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why is he depicted as a year older than the rest of the rookies? --[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:45, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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== another part 2 pic discussion ==
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Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in ''Shippūden'' episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (''Madara'' and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unless I'm mistaken, the ages originate from databooks in most cases--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:49, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:I found the [[:File:Sasuke headshot.png|image]] and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::{{Support}} The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
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:::::Also, can people '''''stop''''' changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. '''Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki.''' --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well alright but it seems odd considering he was 12-13 in Part 1 plus the wiki had it as 15-16 a few weeks/months ago--[[User:Xavier1261|Xavier1261]] ([[User talk:Xavier1261|talk]]) 00:48, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Sage Transformation ==
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== natural energy ==
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He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:He can't. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::He commented on it, so he can, or not?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That was Naruto. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Why would Naruto be surprised?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Why wouldn't he? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe Sasuke should be marked as a (former) Sage Transformation user as he had the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and Jugo said that his and his "copies" tranformation were the same thing. Any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 19:52, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:My opinion is that this chapter made things complicate where they didn't have to be complicated. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:16, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
::Except he didn't use Sage Transformation. He used the Cursed Seal of Heaven. A copy it may be, but that doesn't make it the same thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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::I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
He didn't, Sage Transformation is what Jugo's clan is using ...
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@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
* Their body absorbing natural energies, and an enzyme reacting to it, transforming their bodies ... It's not a Senjutsu chakra as that's a balance of 3 energies, and they aren't manipulating natural energies themselves.
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:Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
* Curse Marks/Cursed Seal Transformation use Senjutsu chakra and an enzyme based on Jugo clan's,
 
the difference is that the former is like a KKG, the latter is a tattoo and the workings are similar but not the same.
 
But to make it simple, Sage Transformation is Natural Energy causing them to mutate due to their bodies passively absorbing it and the enzyme reacting, while Cursed Seal Transformation is Senjutsu Chakra (but not a Sage Mode 0_o) + Transformation
 
At least that's how it appears to be--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:10, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Ok i get that...but i believe the curse seal works just like Jugo's clan abilities, but not in a perfect way since cursed seal users are only limited to one type of transformation...and i believe the whole Orochimaru Senjutsu chakra thing was a mistranslation of him talking about his revival. But i get the general idea. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 16:54, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Jugo's works {KKG-absorbs natural energy, enzyme causes body to mutate and triggers rage and madness = sage transformation] CS works [a modified enzyme of Jugo transforms a body, draws chakra, gives Orochimaru's senjutsu chakra] I don't think there are any mistranslations, raw is out already--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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==Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang Release==
   
Uhm, didn't Jūgo himself say it was called Cursed Seal Transformation to those whom cursed seals were applied to? The only way someone can have Sage Transformation is if they're from Jūgo's clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:24, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.
   
Yep, Sage Transformation is an actual result of their KKG, while Cursed Seal Transformation is due to a tattoo--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:30, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-[[User:World Master|World Master]] ([[User talk:World Master|talk]]) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:Can the resident translator clear these doubts off? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:36, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:Na. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
:But the thing is that the Curse Seal is made from Jugo's enzymes with some modifications, which in a sense is the same as Kakashi using a Sharingan, or Danzo and Madara using the Wood Release because they took the body part/DNA of the individual using said KKG. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::Mangastream says an entirely different thing--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Suki is gone, ask the new S.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:45, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Preta Path? ==
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Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:He didn't absorb it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
The enzyme in itself isn't a KKG, only a result of it, like a fluid the bodies of a Jugo Clan's members do produce.
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Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)
A Cursed Seal host doesn't produce the enzyme because he/she have no such KKG, it's a sealing tattoo with the modified enzyme in it. EDIT: to make it simple, Sasuke nor other CS users didn't use Sage Transformation as that's something only Jugo Clan's member and Kabuto due to having Jugo's DNA can/could use--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Hum...ok...i actually reached that conclusion myself, it actually makes somewhat more sense as whole since i never understood how a Cursed gave such a power-up by just forcing more chakra out of the user...i guess this would explain both the power up and the drain caused by the seal. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:59, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== P1 and P2 Infobox pics ==
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It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between [[Preta Path]] and [[Blocking Technique Absorption Seal]]? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike [[Deva Path|Deva]] and [[Asura Path]]s with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::From the technique's description on this wiki: ''"Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."''... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another '''type''' of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
I noticed earlier that someone added a Part 2 image to the infobox. I made a contribution myself, and it worked really well. So why exactly was it reversed? If those are outdated images of the characters, I think it's pretty unprofessional to not at least have both images selectable for the infobox. Look at the One Piece wikia.. and I know, I know, we do things differently here. but the One Piece Wiki uses both pre-timeskip and post-timeskip pictures for the characters, and nobody seems to complain, since they're recent. What exactly is the problem with keeping the infobox images accurate to the current plot of the manga? --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:21, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
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I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
:We list them as they were first introduced. For part 1 characters, that means part 1 images. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:42, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Deuteragonist in intro? ==
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Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the [[Preta Path (character)|Preta Path corpse]] and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.
   
Why not add Deuteragonist in the intro? Its pretty clear at this point (it was in part 1 actually) ? I can add it myself, of course but just wondering is it not allowed or something? Very good article, like the rest :) Keep up the good work Narutopedia!{{unsigned|178.223.69.107}}
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'''Chapters / Episodes'''
:You do understand that Sasuke helped Itachi for self-serving reasons yes? You also do recall that he said he's still going to seek revenge yes? Sasuke's brief moment of inadvertently aiding the shinobi doesn't call for a change in his introduction.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:57, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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#Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
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#Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
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#Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
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#Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
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#Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
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#Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
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#Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
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#Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
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#Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
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#Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)
   
:http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha/Archive_6#Deuteragonist [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:25, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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'''Summary'''
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#Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's [[Sage Art: Goemon]]. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's [[Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan]] with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's [[Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet]]. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the ''Color Edition'' lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
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#Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
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#Absorbs Naruto's [[Wind Release: Rasenshuriken]]. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken ([[Shadow Clone Technique]] and [[Transformation Technique]]). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his [[Lariat]]. He says "''Preta Path.''" No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
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#Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's [[Rasengan]]. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
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#Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
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#Madara absorbs Sasuke's [[Amaterasu]]. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's [[Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal]] with his [[Susanoo]] soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
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#Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)
   
@ Cerez Since when Deuteragonist has to be on Protagonists side?
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Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Deuteragonist
 
"This person can be either with, or against The Protagonist - thus sometimes pulling double duty as a main Antagonist, though they are rarely the primary antagonist in these scenarios"
 
   
== "..first named technique.." ==
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I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. [[User:General Awesomo|General Awesomo]] ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
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* barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
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* no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s
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Just my opinion--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him '''because''' he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
   
Referring to Tsukuyomi. While I do not share the opinion that Sasuke has used the ability, I understand this wiki's decision to list it as one of his techniques due to the 3rd Databook's description of Susanoo's prerequisites. Still, none of the Genjutsu Sasuke's cast from his Mangekyo Sharingan have been identified as Tsukuyomi. I believe that the earlier edit(s), in which the first ability of Sasuke's Mangekyō Sharingan is PRESUMED to be Tsukuyomi, was more appropriate. [[User:SaiST|SaiST]] ([[User talk:SaiST|talk]]) 14:46, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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::Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Precisely because of what you mentioned before, the presumption was removed. It's better to let it as such until something is said otherwise.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:29, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
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:::Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Just as they ''"vanished"'' when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against '''immediately''' after? —「[[User Talk:SaiST|'''SaiST''']]」<sup>[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal).svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/SaiST]]</sup> 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== infant image ==
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I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we use the anime version instead in a case that the anime's portrayal one is incorrect?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:28, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
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== Sage ==
   
Bump, I vote for the correct manga version of the image--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:53, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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: The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Regarding the Abilities section ==
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After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already [http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sasuke_Uchiha&diff=944867&oldid=944865 here in this edit]... :P • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Does this section really need to be written like an advertisement?--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 22:30, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
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@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yeah, cause Lord Sasuke deserves it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:08, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
All character's ability sections are written like that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
:True. All persons abilities sections are written to show them off, no matter what little is known of them.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:39, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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:@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it.[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Alright. I do think it's a bit worse than with other abilities sections, but that probably has to do with Sasuke's role in the story. Still, there are some odd things:
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== Rinnegan ==
:''Sasuke is hailed as a genius, even by the battle-adept Uchiha clan's standards, excelling at all that he does and finding little difficulty in more challenging tasks.''
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Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Uhm, doesn't that ignore a significant part of the story where Sasuke is the less talented, little brother of Itachi!?
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:Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
:''Overall, Sasuke has become highly proficent (sic) in all of his clan's techniques with advanced knowledge of their respective natures, despite his lack of formal training by relying solely on his innate talent and determination.''
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::Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Respective natures!? Lack of formal training!? What is meant by that exactly?
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:::Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
:''Although not his favoured combat skill, Sasuke's taijutsu was at a very high level since the start of the series.''
 
Shouldn't that be "not his favoured combat TACTIC", because his taijutsu skills are he foundation for his other skills.
 
:''Sasuke has displayed an above-average level of physical strength. Despite being weakened in the fight, he was [able] to lift and carry an unconscious Killer B (which was actually one of Gyūki's tentacles) with <s>a single</s> [one] hand.''
 
Well, it's not as if anyone else has carried Killer B around, but with chakra enhanced speed and chakra enhanced strength almost everywhere, is that actually worth mentioning? Also, I pretty sure that he didn't carry Killer B "with a single hand", but carried him on a single shoulder. And calling it "above average"?
 
:''He also has high levels of stamina and endurance as he was able to withstand being battered, thrown and slammed around by Naruto in his jinchūriki forms,...''
 
In his cursed seal mode! Isn't that important to mention?
 
:''After his Sharingan fully develops, he was also able to match the speed of both Naruto's initial jinchūriki form and one-tailed form during their fight, though couldn't completely dodge the latter's demon shroud.''
 
Again without mentioning his cursed seal mode.
 
:''Furthmore (sic), his speed and precision have yet to leave his blade stained with any blood even when inflicting lethal strikes on his opponent.''
 
Isn't that because he's running lightning through his sword? ... And those were some of the things I noticed. Thanks.--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 14:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* While we do praise people, comparing them to others is frowned upon here. So even if Sasuke is called a genius, we would not say, "less than his brother" and however many other persons that may have been more talented than him.
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@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
* Not too sure myself since he's been "trained" and I've only ever seen him use two "Uchiha" techniques, but this place isn't run by machines.
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:No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
* Okay
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::So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
* Fair enough as well, I also thought Jūgo carried B, not Sasuke
 
* Stamina and endurance stuff removed
 
* That statement is wrong, the Sharingan didn't grant him speed, but the ability to dodge the attacks.
 
* Removed
 
Because Sasuke is one of the "more popular" characters, if editors don't patroll the pages regularly, stuff like this gets "sneaked" in without our knowing. Thanks for bringing it to our attention any way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:29, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
* Itachi was stronger than Sasuke, but the latter was noted numerous times to have the potential to surpass Itachi in time, stated to have a better Sharingan skill and his chakra was compared to that of Madara.
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==Who keeps doing this?==
Not to mention Naruto and Sasuke are equal, and the former is now like the strongest unit in the Ninja Alliance. Also the whole "next generation surpasses the previous" or some shit.
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Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted?
* Sasuke had trained to equal Itachi's skill with Ninja Tools, used them in conjunction with his Fire and Lighting techniques REALLY well, and even used a modified/next-gen version of Uchiha Madara's dragon heads/projectiles technique.
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[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
Itachi was hailed as a prodigy, Sasuke as well, with him eventually surpassing the older brother.
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:No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
So this isn't false, Sasuke has used an "Uchiha" technique without being trained in it, and copied Itachi's shuriken target practice by memorizing it.
 
* I thinkhe has talent to rival Lee in Taijutsu, for copying a few moves and in a 30 day training mastering something that took Lee years.
 
But later in the series, it's not a common part of his fighting style, relying more on Kenjutsu now.
 
* The databook gives Sasuke 3,5 in strength, now it's more than likely even more (4 I guess) taking into consideration that he wasn't exclusively trained in muscle mass department, it's valid.
 
Also Sasuke is a late 16 years old teenager, Killer B a muscular big dark-skinned dude in his late 30's.
 
Sasuke isn't noted to be using any strength-enhancing technique (with the Cursed Seal being removed at that point already) "maybe" some limited Eight Gates opening skill (Kakashi level)
 
* I wouldn't say Sasuke has any noticeable natural endurance... that's Naruto's area.
 
Actually without his cursed seal, he got pwned in a single punch by Killer B and wouldn't have survived the Raikage's attack if it wasn't for his Susanoo.
 
* Why removed? In my opinion, it takes a great mastery with a sword to cut due to 1000 Ninja and disarm them without taking their lives.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:15, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== another bug? ==
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== Deactivated Rinnegan ==
   
jutsu list isn't displaying again.{{unsigned|68.36.225.244}}
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In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
:Yes. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 15:43, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
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:Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Black lightning? ==
 
 
Is Sasuke's dark chidori or flapping chidori a black lightning move? Or just a darker and stronger chidori? [[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:39, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
 
:Not a black lightning technique, specially since in an artbook, said technique was purple. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:46, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, I'm colorblind so....--[[Special:Contributions/68.54.229.172|68.54.229.172]] ([[User talk:68.54.229.172|talk]]) 22:53, September 5, 2012 (UTC)Amaterasuice
 
 
== Introduction section ==
 
 
I noticed, in the Introduction section, it says '...kept getting drawn in by ''Sakura's romantic advances'' and Naruto's attempts at competition.
 
 
I fail to see where he was ever drawn in to Sakura's romantic advances. He called her annoying and, in the Viz translation of the manga said that she made him sick, both occurrences in Part 1.
 
 
He never acted on them in any way, so far as I remember, at least not positively. Not saying he didn't care for her or anything, but that statement is puzzling. Anyone care to explain to me? I'm kinda mind boggled by the logic in there...--[[User:AkasunaNoJade|AkasunaNoJade]] ([[User talk:AkasunaNoJade|talk]]) 08:44, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Fixed, I suppose.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:37, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Maybe add [[:File:Drive toward the darkness.png|this]] to further describe sasuke's descent into hatred? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 22:34, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Unnecessary. Also, that's from a filler. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:35, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I thought that see sasuke's hatred consumed eyes as a chlid may help better add to his descent to hate as a chlid [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Why did someone remove "rotten ninja world"? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:34, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Shouldn't we say that Sasuke has an affinity towards lightning, because of that one filler episode with the paper?--[[Special:Contributions/24.166.174.117|24.166.174.117]] ([[User talk:24.166.174.117|talk]]) 22:23, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 

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Susanoo Chidori? Edit

Considering what we did in making the article Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

another part 2 pic discussion Edit

Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in Shippūden episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (Madara and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --SSJ2AJB 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I found the image and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --SSJ2AJB 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 Support — The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --Bio havik (talk) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
Also, can people stop changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki. --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --SSJ2AJB 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --SSJ2AJB 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

natural energy Edit

He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He can't. • Seelentau 愛 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He commented on it, so he can, or not?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
That was Naruto. • Seelentau 愛 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why would Naruto be surprised?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why wouldn't he? • Seelentau 愛 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • Seelentau 愛 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. • Seelentau 愛 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • Seelentau 愛 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang ReleaseEdit

Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.

If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-World Master (talk) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Na. • Seelentau 愛 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Mangastream says an entirely different thing--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path? Edit

Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He didn't absorb it. • Seelentau 愛 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • Seelentau 愛 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike Deva and Asura Paths with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. General Awesomo (talk) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
From the technique's description on this wiki: "Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another type of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the Preta Path corpse and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.

Chapters / Episodes

  1. Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
  2. Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
  3. Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
  4. Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
  5. Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
  6. Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
  7. Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
  8. Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
  9. Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
  10. Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
  11. Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
  12. Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)

Summary

  1. Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
  2. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
  3. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the Color Edition lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
  4. Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
  5. Absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken (Shadow Clone Technique and Transformation Technique). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
  6. Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  7. Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  8. Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his Lariat. He says "Preta Path." No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
  9. Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's Rasengan. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  10. Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
  11. Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal with his Susanoo soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
  12. Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)

Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?

I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. General Awesomo (talk) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
  • barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
  • no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s

Just my opinion--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • Seelentau 愛 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him because he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • Seelentau 愛 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Just as they "vanished" when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against immediately after? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sage Edit

So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. Arawn 999 (talk) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already here in this edit... :P • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan Edit

Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Who keeps doing this?Edit

Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Deactivated Rinnegan Edit

In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

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