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Susanoo Chidori?

Considering what we did in making the article Blaze Release: Susanoo Kagutsuchi, should we make one for Susanoo Chidori? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 10:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

If for Kishi using Enton with Susanoo is a separate technique, then we have a canon precedent as evidence that using Chidori with Susanoo would be too--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:02, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Good. Because it looks like somebody already jumped the gun and created the article anyway. Glad we agree ^_^ • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:33, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Is it ok to make a new article? We didn't make an article for the Rasengan that Minato used in his Kurama form, is this different?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 11:35, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
@MERCURIOUS, that article has already been deleted. We decided to place it in the Chidori article instead. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:19, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

another part 2 pic discussion

Sorry for the late notice, but I've got a suggestion: in Shippūden episode 142 at this <nope signed TU3>, there is a scene where Sasuke is sitting with Team Taka and Akatsuki (Madara and Kisame) and his headshot appears at like 7:43 right before he talks. Karin's long sleeve is on the left side of the screen, but the picture isn't too zoomed in on Sasuke's face, plus there's cropping that could be done. I actually tried uploading this months ago, but it wasn't in 720p HD quality, which I'm not very experienced in uploading. How about this one? --SSJ2AJB 22:53, October 8, 2014 (UTC)

I found the image and i personally prefer it to the current image but its in 720p. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
I like that image- I wouldn't mind changing it to that... --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:36, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
Nice, if it's all right with everyone, I'll just go ahead and change the infobox image. Thanks for the upload btw, Sarutobii2. --SSJ2AJB 00:13, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
 Support — The current image is to zoomed on Sasuke's face compared to most info box images of the whole characters head. Do any of the mods have a opinion on the matter? --Bio havik (talk) 05:54, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
The "mods" don't have an opinion that supercedes anyone else's.
Also, can people stop changing pictures without consensus? Just because one user finds a decent pic and another agrees, it gives you no right to just go around changing pictures just because you can. Please stop this or it will be determined as vandalism to the wiki. --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 11:01, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
How do we go about consensus, so far four people prefer the new image SSJ2AJB suggested but no one has disliked it on this talk page. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:26, October 9, 2014 (UTC)
I apologize for rashly changing the part II pic without waiting to hear everybody else's consensus. I just felt the old image was too zoomed in Sasuke's face, so I thought the new one would be better. I took the early approval of some users for the new picture as a sign to change it. Let's just wait it out this time to see what everyone else thinks about it. --SSJ2AJB 20:48, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

So it's been 4 days, can we change images yet? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 03:00, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Are we just gonna drop this whole topic and keep the current image? Like I said, the current image is too zoomed in on his face, so I thought a little distance like the new image would be nice. There's generally no point in using it if there's no consensus, and yet practically nobody else has responded here in days to voice their opinion. We have a few users already supporting Sasuke's new Part II headshot, so who else do we need the approval of so we could close this topic? --SSJ2AJB 22:42, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Someone deleted the image so i re-uploaded it. I talked to Sajuuk and he prefers the image aswell and we've waited a week now without anyone else bothering to voice their opinion so im changing it. If anyone dislikes it hopefully they come to this talk page and discuss the matter. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 11:57, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

natural energy

He can sense it. Doesn't that make him a Sage? :P--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He can't. • Seelentau 愛 13:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He commented on it, so he can, or not?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:47, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
When Naruto/Kurama's clone disappears sending the chakra it gathered towards Naruto, Sasuke states that he sensed a huge amount of natural energy. That doesn't necessarily mean that Sasuke's a Sage now.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 13:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
That was Naruto. • Seelentau 愛 13:49, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why would Naruto be surprised?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:50, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Why wouldn't he? • Seelentau 愛 13:51, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Because he ordered his clone to do just that in the first place? 0_0--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:52, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
So? One can still be surprised about how much the clone actually gathered. It was not Sasuke. Sasuke's comment was "!?" or so. • Seelentau 愛 13:54, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Damn edit conflict: @ Seel, you're kidding, right? Read it again. Both translations. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 13:56, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not. I actually feel like you guys are the ones who're kidding. We're not going to give Sasuke sensing abilities because of a sentence that can't be attributed to him 100%. Forget it. • Seelentau 愛 13:57, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
I guess. Well, we will find out ^_--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:59, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh, and you guys should realize that one can feel chakra without being a sensor. Lee, Sasuke, Suigetsu and Jugo all did. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Do you not see the "!?" above Sasuke's head? MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:03, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Seelentau is referring to the rest of the panel, where someone is commenting on the gathering of energy.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:04, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
And it makes sense that someone else's thoughts would be in the same panel? Besides, Naruto already says what he has to say about it in the previous panel. It makes no sense for him to say "coming out of nowhere" If he knows where its coming from. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:14, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

@Seel, chakra yes, but not natural energy. Only Sages can sense it--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:28, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. And is Sasuke a sage? No. Who there is a sage and could've sensed the energy? Naruto. Case closed. • Seelentau 愛 14:46, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Creation of All Things and Yin-Yang Release

Kurama said that Sasuke was doing the same thing with the chakra of the Bijuu as Hagoromo did, only in reverse.

If he can mix the physical chakra of the Bijuu's into the spiritual form of Susanoo then I think we should consider adding Ying-Yang release to his arsenal.-World Master (talk) 14:48, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Na. • Seelentau 愛 14:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Mangastream says an entirely different thing--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:23, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path?

Due to him possessing the Rinnegan, would it be a stretch to say that Sasuke used the Preta Path to absorb the TB chakra? He can already use the Deva Path and such... but what do you guys think? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:30, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

He didn't absorb it. • Seelentau 愛 19:37, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the Susanoo contained it like the Gedo Mazo like Kurama noted. My bad. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:41, October 16, 2014 (UTC)
He basically did the opposite of what PP does. :) • Seelentau 愛 19:53, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Due to the recent chapter, Sasuke now has the Preta Path, correct? • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:04, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

It seems like it. But this issue is puzzling me. How do we differentiate between Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? The later is the sole technique and purpose of the former, unlike Deva and Asura Paths with their multiple techniques. If Sasuke is listed for Preta Path, then why isn't he also listed for Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? Also, visually, the two techniques have both been shown with the barrier and contact absorbing. General Awesomo (talk) 12:31, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Each Path has more than just 1 technique, or at least some do. So while what he did was most likely Preta Path, it wasn't Blocking Tech Absorption, since no barrier appeared--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:23, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
From the technique's description on this wiki: "Should the user get close enough to grab the opponent, the barrier can absorb chakra right out of an individual's body, effectively draining them."... And yes, I know that deviates from the technique's description in the 3rd Data Book. Whether or not Sasuke is listed as a user of Fūjutsu Kyūin comes down to whether or not the majority still agree with that method of absorption being a specific application of Fūjutsu Kyūin, or another type of absorption ability stemming from Gakidō—in which case that part of the description on this wiki will have to be omitted. —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 15:25, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Didn't Pain's Petra Path absorb Naruto's Sage Chakra via touch alone, with no barrier, during their fight? There's precedent. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:29, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Doesn't mean "Petra" used absorption seal in that instance.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
It was still an application of the Petra Path's ability to absorb chakra, though. Arawn 999 (talk) 15:51, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think anyone denies that, I'm all for listing him as Preta Path user, just not Preta Barrier Tech's user--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:55, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here are all the instances Preta Path and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal have been used. Well, all of the instances Nagato used them, through the Preta Path corpse and himself. Those were much easier to pinpoint than Madara's uses. If I missed some, sorry.

Chapters / Episodes

  1. Its debut, chapter 377 page 7 panel 2 (episode 132)
  2. Chapter 377 page 11 (episode 132)
  3. Chapter 378 page 10 panel 3 and page 11 panels 1-2 (episode 132)
  4. Chapter 422 page 3 panels 2-4 (episode 158)
  5. Chapter 433 pages 10 panels 1-2, page 11 panels 1-3, and page 14 panels 3+5 (episode 164)
  6. Chapter 434 page 17 panels 1-2 (episode 164)
  7. Chapter 435 page 1 panel 4 and page 2 panel 5 (episode 165)
  8. Chapter 550 page 16 panels 2-4 (episode 298)
  9. Chapter 551 page 2 panel 5 (episode 299)
  10. Chapter 560 page 14 panel 2 (episode 322)
  11. Chapter 657 page 2 panels 3-4, page 5 panel 8, and page 6 panel 1 (episode TBA)
  12. Chapter 697 page 15 panel 4 (episode TBA)

Summary

  1. Although it's just the Preta Path rushing in to intercept Jiraiya's Sage Art: Goemon. No barrier seen. The page afterwards is just a smokescreen. (Slight barrier before his hands in the anime.)
  2. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan with a barrier. (Same in the anime.)
  3. Preta Path absorbs Jiraiya's Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet. No barrier seen. It's also kind of a closeup, so if a barrier is there, you can't see it. Maybe you can see the barrier in the Color Edition lol. (He just sucks it up into his hands with no barrier.)
  4. Preta Path absorbs some lightning release technique from a Konoha ninja. Barrier present. (Same in the anime except he absorbs twice the attacks.)
  5. Absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Page 14 is Preta Path trying to absorb a fake Rasenshuriken (Shadow Clone Technique and Transformation Technique). Barrier present in both. (Same in the anime.)
  6. Preta Path absorbs Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  7. Preta Path continues to absorb Naruto's chakra. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  8. Edo Nagato absorbs Killer B's chakra through his Lariat. He says "Preta Path." No barrier seen. (A glow is present in the anime.)
  9. Edo Nagato absorbs Naruto's Rasengan. Barrier present. (Same in the anime.)
  10. Edo Madara absorbs Naruto's Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. Although the absorption process isn't really shown, manga or anime. No barrier seen. (Same in the anime.)
  11. Madara absorbs Sasuke's Amaterasu. No barrier seen. Then he absorbs Hashirama's senjutsu chakra. This example I think was just written off by you guys as a generic, inherent ability of Madara's to absorb chakra. That it couldn't be Preta Path as he had no eyes. Only for him to burst out of Gaara's Desert Layered Imperial Funeral Seal with his Susanoo soon afterwards despite having no eyes. Not exactly a whole barrier is seen, but chakra activity is seen around Madara's hand in the process. The same chakra activity as... (Anime episode TBA.)
  12. Sasuke absorbs Naruto's chakra. Just like the above example with Madara, chakra activity is seen around Sasuke's fist. (Anime episode TBA.)

Phew. Now that that's over with, I'd like to ask you guys something. In those instances, what is Preta Path and what is Blocking Technique Absorption Seal?

I'd like the help of Seelentau to see if the translations for these chapters had more info on clearing things up. I also don't have access to the tankōbon versions, so if some details were changed in those chapters, please let me know. General Awesomo (talk) 08:35, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Preta Path is Rinnegan's path that absorbs chakra. Blocking Absorption Seal is just one of the means Preta Path can accomplish that, there are likely other. For example, Deva Path has more than just 1 technique as well. In other words:
  • barrier present = Preta Path's Blocking Absorption Seal
  • no barrier = Preta Path's unknown technique/s

Just my opinion--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:40, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

(Imagine this in bolded capsrape:) Madara did not absorb Sasuke's Amaterasu. • Seelentau 愛 15:46, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
I know you've said this before, but how could he not have? The Enton was seemingly ablaze on more than just the armor he took off, the scene was immediately followed by Naruto warning Sasuke that it was pointless to just recklessly cast Ninjutsu at him because he could absorb chakra, then we saw two other examples of the ability later in the chapter.
Though, I'm not sure if I'd classify what Madara did in that chaper as Gakidō. Using Susanoō without eyes is one thing, but the Rinnegan's Rikudō too? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 18:57, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. Also, the flames simply vanished, there was nothing that looked like absorbtion in any way. • Seelentau 愛 19:02, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Just as they "vanished" when Amaterasu was used against Kaguya, who also absorbed chakra—are you of the opinion that she didn't absorb the Enton either? Do you think it's more sensible to think that the flames were somehow negated through unknown means and consequently disappeared despite the fact that Madara's ability to absorb chakra was cautioned against immediately after? —「SaiSTMangekyō Sharingan Sasuke (Eternal) 19:09, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with SaiST here--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:20, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sage

So Seelentau has changed his mind and it seems it was indeed Sasuke commenting on the natural energy a chapter back, what do we do with that?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:33, October 24, 2014 (UTC)

The Sharingan can see Chakra. It's possible that the Rinnegan can perceive natural energy, but that's just speculation. Arawn 999 (talk) 21:00, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think Nagato could see natural energy when facing Jiraiya and Naruto, could he? So no. It was clearly stated that only Sages can sense natural energy and Sasuke can, so.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 21:14, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke isn't a sage. The end. Add that he can sense natural energy and nothing more. Capish? Good. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:32, October 24, 2014 (UTC)
Can someone point out to me when being able to sense natural energy makes one a sage, and not you know the actuality of using it? Cause that seems very odd. "Oh you can sense natural energy but have no knowledge of using it but your a sage, Guy".--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 10:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

After rereading some old chapters a "Sage" seems to be someone who balances physical, spiritual and natural energies to mold Senjutsu chakra, chapter 410 page 14. But sensing natural energy alone requires a great deal of training, even with the toad oil it took Naruto quite a while before he started to feel that natural energy enters his body. So since Sasuke can already sense it, in theory, if he were to stay still, he should be able to absorb it. But only if he were to balance it with his chakra would he be a Sage according to Fukasaku's definition from references chapter. But according to that, Jugo is a Sage --Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

So it is by your interpretation then? Cause that ain't convincing.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:45, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Also when was it states a sensor couldn't sense natural energy in someone?--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Furthermore, I'd like to point out that Sasuke, who is not a sensor, sensed Naruto's massive chakra clear from Konohagakure in overwhelming quantities. How do I know he's not a sensor? Because Orochimaru, in that instance, said that sans Karin, none of them were sensors yet could feel the overwhelming volume of Naruto's chakra radiating off of the battlefield. In this instance, Kurama and Sasuke both noted that the natural energy coming off of Naruto was tremendous; vast in volume. Chakra/natural energy in tremendous amounts can be felt by non-sensors. Before now, Sasuke has never commented on Naruto's natural energy intake before and Naruto has done it quite often. He is not a sage. He can't use Sage Mode, Six Paths Senjutsu, Sage techniques. Hell, he needed Jugo's aid to use a Senjutsu Susanoo. So no @Elve, he is not a sage. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:07, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
@Ten, I pointed that out to Elve already here in this edit... :P • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:16, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Ulti, did you bother to check the referenced chapter and page? If sensors could sense natural energy, everyone would use Senjutsu, also Sasuke isn't a sensor. @Foxie, chakra can be sensed by everyone to an extent, sensor is simply someone with a more refined sensing ability, but natural energy is different, it's in the ground and in the atmosphere, so by your logic everyone should feel it all the time, yet they don't.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:24, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that it has already been stated many chapters ago that anyone who could sense "natural energy" was a sage, regardless if they could use the energy or not... --Sajuuk [Moderator] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 15:27, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Hmph. Do what you want, Elve. I doubt Sasuke is a Sage tho. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:33, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Considering it took Naruto a day-long bathe in natural energy absorbing toad oil before he even started to sense it despite having it inside of his body means an untrained individual can't feel natural energy no matter what, since they can't tell what they do or don't feel is the natural energy without first experiencing natural energy and then withdrawing from it, noticing a difference. @Windstar, I'm not adding him as a Sage, I just added what was stated in the chapter, that's all.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:36, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve, oh okay. Excuse my ignorance on that then. Apologies. @Saj, if I recall correctly, a Sage is someone who can gather natural energy, rather than just sense it. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:43, October 25, 2014 (UTC)
Nah, if you guys bothered to check Fukasaku's explanation, then a Sage is someone who mixes all 3 energies to use actual Senjutsu chakra.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:47, October 25, 2014 (UTC)

Rinnegan

Hagoromo only gave Sasuke the Yang seal to seal Kaguya. Like he did to Naruto, whom awaken the Six Paths Sage Mode upon having all 9 tailed beasts in him not from Hagoromo so I think it's safe to say he awakened it from Hashirama's cells he received from Kabuto. Both retained their powers apart from the seals after the battle as well and it's been covered one needs both Uchiha and Senju powers for the Rinnegan.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:25, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke was given the Yin seal, not Yang. Also Sasuke's Rinnegan shifting technique was directly attributed to having been blessed with Hagoromo's power, I don't think it makes sense for Sasuke's Rinnegan to have come from unconfirmed Hashirama's cells and his technique from Hagoromo, both the eye and its technique being because of Hagoromo makes more sense.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:31, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Sasuke lost Hagoromo's power after sealing Kaguya did he not?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:21, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
Only Six Paths Yin Power, that was the moon tattoo. Considering he still can use Rinnegan Teleportation Tech, which is thanks to Hagoromo's power, he hasn't lost all of Hagoromo's powers.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:40, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Elv, blessed with Hagoromo's power =\= given the rinnegan by Hagoromo. Both Naruto and Sasuke awakened Hagoromo's chakra themselves, according to the sage himself. And his chakra (asura + indra, or all 9 beasts) awakens the rinnegan or rikudo senjutsu. Hagoromo only gave the seals to them. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

No, they didn't. Hagoromo specifically stated to have given them power, excluding the seals, since he said that after they had lost them.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 19:51, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
So Naruto and Sasuke meet Hagoromo, and all of a sudden they get things like the Rinnegan, SPST, Six Paths Chakra, Six Paths Powers and Hagoromo had nothing to do with it? Just the Six Paths Yin and Yang and nothing else? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. -_- • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)

Who keeps doing this?

Someone keeps expunging "Preta Path, Deva Path, and Chibaku Tensei" from Sasuke's jutsu list. It is obvious that he had utilized them so why are they being deleted? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:17, October 28, 2014 (UTC)Sharingan Triple

No one. At least, no one who's human. It's because of the broken SMW that sometimes the jutsu list in the infoboxes isn't exactly what it should be. Push the Null Edit button atop the page and you should see it.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 21:21, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Deactivated Rinnegan

In the newest trailer for the upcoming Naruto movie, Sasuke's Rinnegan is deactivated. So can we mention he can deactivate it or is the movie considered non canon? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:41, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Since the movie has again and again been stated to be connected to the manga, I don't get why do some still insist on it being non-canon--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:58, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

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