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==Elemental Nature & Abilities==
 
OK, I'm a bit confused. The article says Sai's next appearance will reveal his elemental nature, but we have listed his Primary & Secondary natures. Which is it? Have they revealed his nature or not? Also, the abilities listed I don't remember him being able to use(unless it was in the data books). Are these game Jutsus? I only remember him using his drawing techniques.[[User:Memsochet|Memsochet]] 22:50, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 
   
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== Earth Release ==
This is correct. There is no sign or moment that Sai uses an element in the Manga and Anime. In both, he only uses drawing techniques. --[[User:NejiByakugan360|NejiByakugan360]] 22:49, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 
   
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I was just rereading some older chapters and after sai's ink clone got stabbed by orochimaru sai was seen hiding in the ground. could this be earth release: hiding like a mole? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:47, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
:OK, then shouldn't we remove the references to elemental abilities he has never used?
 
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:Someone brought this up year ago. The thing is, the ground wasn't shown very well to deduce if he used it or not--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:03, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
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but could it be listed as presumed sense we have that on some articles? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 13:05, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
This was caused by [[Special:Contributions/71.167.86.248|71.167.86.248]], he went around altering random jutsu saying that Sai could use them. His edits have been reverted. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Dec 23, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 00:20 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
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:It could be that he just dug a hole like Naruto did, but both in the manga and anime, he comes out the ground without using his arms...so it really looks like he's a user. Maybe he never got listed because he wasn't added as a user in the databook which covered Deidara, who did it before and Tobi, who did it after Sai's meeting with Orochimaru....[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 13:13, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
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Maybe he wasnt listed as a user because there are multiple jutsu that let you do this. But anyways it should be added. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 13:16, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
By the way, when Orochimaru pierced his [[Ink Clone Technique]] with the [[Kusanagi Sword: Long Sword of the Heavens]], after the clone was destroyed, you can see Sai coming out from the ground, in a very similar way to the [[Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique]]. This mean that he has Earth elemental Chakra?--[[Special:Contributions/79.150.76.132|79.150.76.132]] ([[User talk:79.150.76.132|talk]]) 19:30, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I would like to have some more opinions first. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 13:21, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
:No, it means he can hide underground. Naruto is also capable of doing this without being able to use Earth Release. Sai could have drawn a mole to dig a tunnel for him, or something. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 21:14, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
 
ok. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 13:23, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
== Name ==
 
   
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:Possible. Looking back at the old discussion, one user brought up that it is entirely possible to actually dig a hole and not use a jutsu for it. So there is that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:29, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
I have heard that the word "sai" can mean rhino in japanese. Is that true? [[Special:Contributions/213.67.219.145|213.67.219.145]] 16:48, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 
:Yes, it means rhinoceros in Japanese. It also means "difference," "psi," "to hold a meeting," "debt," "circumstances," "repeated," "ability," "age," "son," "sai" (the weapon), "10^44," "cut," "side dish," "extreme," and a few dozen other things.
 
:It's useless seeking meaning behind the names of the ANBU "Root" members. Their (code)names are all simple, basicilally meaningless syllables, as expected from an organisation that demands their members be emotionless and without identity and individuality. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 20:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 
:His name means "talented" which should be put in trivia, because this ties to his jutsu and his hobby as a "talented" artist.
 
   
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how did he have enough time to did a hole that big with his hands sense he has nothing else. also, thats why it would be listed as presumed. why would he need to dig a hole anyways he could have just used his fancy ink body flicker jutsu to hide. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 13:32, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
== Adopted brother? ==
 
   
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:How does a ninja have enough time to cut a log perfectly for a substitution? Jutsu are weird.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:35, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
Is "adopted brother" really the best term to describe the relationship Sai has with [[Shin]]? It seems to imply that Sai's parents officially adopted Shin or vice versa. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 00:35, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 
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::Soooo I guess he does not get listed? [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 13:36, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::For now, I would say no. But that's just my opinion.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:42, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
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ok and btw i don't they cut the wood, they transport it to there current location/switch places with it. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 17:12, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
== Article Section Order ==
 
   
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I just re-read the same chapter. At first I thought Sai was simply phasing through the dirt, but after a closer look, it shows clearly that the earth shifted. I don't think Sai dug the hole with his hands, I think the only time that's ever happened, it stated as such. I think a "Presumed" tag would be appropriate if nothing else.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 19:02, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
I tried altering this article to make it conform to the Manual of Style, and most other character pages I've seen on this Wiki, by putting Abilities up with Background and Personality, before Part in the Story. This was reverted about 3 minutes later. I was just wondering what I'd done wrong. [[User:OmegaPointZealot|OmegaPointZealot]]
 
 
:As Far as i've seen in most of the articles, abilities comes at the end..not the beginning..[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]] | [[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] 06:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, ok, I'll concede that. But then, shouldn't the Manual of Style reflect this? Because, it clearly states that Abilities should precede the Part in the Story section. Also, doesn't it make more sense to have abilities before part in the story, anyways? As before, just wondering. [[User:OmegaPointZealot|OmegaPointZealot]]
 
 
:I allready changed it back to u'r version...and please sign u'r comments..[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]] | [[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] 06:33, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Thank you. And, done. Didn't know how to before, but I hope this is satisfactory. [[User:OmegaPointZealot|OmegaPointZealot]]
 
 
:Instead of typin it, try <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>..Its the key above TAB...[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]] | [[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] 06:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Alrighty. Many thanks. :D [[User:OmegaPointZealot|OmegaPointZealot]] ([[User talk:OmegaPointZealot|talk]]) 07:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Sai's Curse Mark ==
 
 
I have a question about Sai's Curse Mark.
 
Is it really like a Curse Mark [like Sasuke's] or is Danzo able to kill those who every to much about the Foundation and/or plans/missions?
 
--[[User:Hamachi1993|Hamachi1993]] ([[User talk:Hamachi1993|talk]]) 21:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993
 
 
:It's probably too early to tell. give it a few more chapters, and they might go into it.--[[User:Marioscout|Marioscout]] ([[User talk:Marioscout|talk]]) 21:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Okay. Because [even though I just started reading the Shippuden manga Series,I still keep up with this wiki and the anime] I was wondering, by what it stated in the Invasion of Pain Invasion Ark [or] Sixth Hokage Ark, it made it seem deadly to the container of it. --[[User:Hamachi1993|Hamachi1993]] ([[User talk:Hamachi1993|talk]]) 21:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)Hamachi1993
 
 
:Orochimaru's Juuinjutsu is kind of special even within the Naruto Universe. It seems, from the look of the thing and the description Sai gives of its effects (paralyzation, inability to reveal secrets about Danzou, etc.) that it has much more in common with the curse seal of the Hyuuga clan. It should probably be listed on the Juuinjutsu page, if it's not already. [[User:OmegaPointZealot|OmegaPointZealot]] ([[User talk:OmegaPointZealot|talk]]) 22:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Yet thats if others agree. But i agree and If its not added then Ill add it. --[[User:Hamachi1993|Hamachi1993]] ([[User talk:Hamachi1993|talk]]) 22:26, 20 June 2009
 
UPDATE: i read this in the Juinjustu Section: When the wearer of this Cursed Seal speaks about anything related to Danzō, their entire body will become numb, taking away their ability to speak or move.
 
(UTC)Hamachi1993
 
 
== sai's cursed seal ==
 
i have a question about it, what episode did he show it or reveal it?{{unsigned|124.158.44.122|15:12, 5 July 2009}}
 
 
:chapter 452 page 8
 
P.S. Please sign your post.--[[User:Mutant 16|Donatelo]] ([[User talk:Mutant 16|talk]]) 09:20, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== friendship ==
 
 
in the latest chapter it is implied that sai is starting to develope a friendship with naruto [[User:Fawcettp|Fawcettp]] ([[User talk:Fawcettp|talk]]) 11:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Sai's role ==
 
 
Isn't Sai a protagonist as well?
 
[[User:Saiyan16|Saiyan16]] ([[User talk:Saiyan16|talk]]) 15:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 
:No, side character. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Jul 14, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 17:07 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
 
== Pale ==
 
 
Why is Sai so pale in the anime? On the colored pages of the manga it shows him with the same skin tone as everyone else. -- [[User:Mpc797|Mpc797]] 19:26, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 
:The coloured pages I have of Sai show him to be as white as sheet of paper. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 07:47, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Actually ShounenSuki, I was looking for a recent manga coloring of Sai and found this [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v50/c467/3.html Here]]
 
:As you can see, it seems that Jiraiya and Sai have the same skin tone. And can you please find me a source of a manga coloring of Sai where he is shown pale?[[User:Kracel|Kracel]] ([[User talk:Kracel|talk]]) 04:33, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Of course it does, the manga (usually) is black and white{{unsigned|DemonFoxsCloak|04:36, 2009 December 29 (UTC)}}
 
 
:::If you want a source, I can give you one. Six, actually.[http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/8830/038u.jpg 1][http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8301/039z.jpg 2][http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2833/040041.jpg 3][http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8485/naruto33001.jpg 4][http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2550/narutovolxxch467p03.jpg 5][http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9483/scan001h.jpg 6]
 
:::Each and every colour page that features Sai has him with an extremely pale skin tone. You picked out the one colour page that does not. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 18:06, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== What is Sai's Rank? ==
 
 
Does anyone know Sai's Rank? I know he is in ANBU, but is he Jonin? It only states his Chunin age when he was promoted from Genin to Chunin? Can Chunin be Genin? I'm just asking for interest's sake...[[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 22:17, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 
:ANBU ''is'' a rank. So Sai's rank is ''ANBU'', just like Yamato's rank is ANBU and Yūgao Uzuki's rank and Shin's rank and Hyō's rank and Fū's rank... you get the idea. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 12:06, January 29, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Well, considering how he was orphaned as a child and recruited by ROOT, how would it even be possible that he was promoted to genin and chunin? unless they give ranks in ANBU root or ANBU.So if they do i would say hes definitely Jounin.[[Special:Contributions/96.51.17.141|96.51.17.141]] ([[User talk:96.51.17.141|talk]]) 01:00, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::Sai, just like practically every other shinobi we've seen, graduated the Academy and became a genin. Then he took the chūnin exams and was promoted to chūnin. If he ever made it to jōnin, we do not know. None of that matters though, because Sai's rank is none of those now. It is ANBU. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 02:03, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::::ANBU is not a rank it is a division for usually at least Chunin level shinobi. Personally, I think Sai is a Jounin because Neji, Temari and Kankuro made Jounin so if they are then I'm pretty sure Sai probably attained the rank too.{{unsigned|71.7.132.134}}
 
 
:::::Kishimoto-sensei disagrees with you. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 11:15, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
ANBU isn't a rank it's a classification... there can be Chunin and Jonin within the ANBU facet, regardless they still have ranks however disregarded it is {{unsigned|Cerez365}}
 
:Actually, no, ANBU do not carry ordinary ranks. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 19:40, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Image ==
 
 
Is it just me, or is that picture of Sai being used make him look cross-eyed? --[[User:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Red">Puppet</font>]] '''[[User talk:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Black">King</font>]]'''' 01:50, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
Would it be alright if I replaced the image with one that dosen't make him look cross-eyed? Or am I just whining? --[[User:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Red">Puppet</font>]] '''[[User talk:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Black">King</font>]]'''' 01:56, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Just follow the [[Image Policy]].--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 02:03, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Doesn't look cross-eyed to me. - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 02:09, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
I'm proposing a new picture for his page. --[[User:WhiteArmor|<span style="color: #778899;">'''WhiteArmor'''</span>]] [[User talk:WhiteArmor|<span style="font-size:100%; font-family: Didot; color: #778899">(Talk)</span>]] 15:29, April 11, 2010 (UTC)[[File:Sai.png|thumb|180px|right|1]]
 
 
== Abilities section ==
 
 
It says that Sai subdued Lee. That's not right, Lee was decomissioned by Sakura's sleep bomb he never came into contact with Sai{{unsigned|Cerez365}}
 
 
Lee was never subdued he jumped behind Kiba and then Sakura used the sleep bombs which knocked them out--[[Special:Contributions/72.252.231.17|72.252.231.17]] ([[User talk:72.252.231.17|talk]]) 14:21, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Possible Trivia ==
 
I notice in Revolution 3, Sai has pre and post-battle dialouge with Anko, which is a bit of a reference to his least favorite food being Anko's favorite, dango. Would it be OK to add this as trivia or not?[[User:Strategist9|Strategist9]] ([[User talk:Strategist9|talk]]) 14:01, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Pre-Missions ==
 
 
Shouldn't we add, in his story section, that he fought with Naruto, Choji and Shikamaru before joining on his mission to find Sasuke? --[[User:Mihoyam1|Mihoyam1]] ([[User talk:Mihoyam1|talk]]) 16:56, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
==Abilities Section, Weapons, and Jutsu==
 
to add more length to his page, I'm asking if I can have permission to make an edit on the abilities section on sai's page. Also, for the weapons, shouldn't we add ''ink carrier'' or... ''Portable ink cartrage''? And for his jutsu, shouldn't we also add all of the creations he's made with super beasts scroll?[[User:Gennojo Kuchiki|<font color="Gold" face="cambria">'''Don't look at me!!'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Gennojo Kuchiki|<font color="Gold" face="cambria">'''Just talk...'''</font>]] 04:32, November 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== I was wondering... ==
 
 
Is Sai's name a reference to the weapon? If so, should it be added to the trivia? {{unsigned|68.199.78.105}}
 
:The character has never been seen using the weapon, nor made any mention of it. I don't think Sai (the weapon) has never even been mentioned in the series, unless it's a very obscure reference. So no, we don't add it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:40, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== An article for his picture book? ==
 
 
What do you think, does Sai's picture book deserve an article? It did have significance in the story (such as freeing Shin's soul), and books like Icha Icha, The Tale of the Utterly Gutsy Shinobi, the Bingo Book and even some anime/movie-only books do have articles. --[[User:Kiadony|kiadony]] --[[User talk:Kiadony|talk to me]]-- 15:43, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
:I support making an article for it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:18, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Sealing Team? ==
 
 
Considering his sealing abilities, should we consider him as a member of the sealing team, much like Maki? He's the only one from his division known to have sealing abilities. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:26, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Knowing a sealing jutsu doesn't make him part of the sealing team. Before Kakashi asked him to use his sealing jutsu, he didn't seem like he thought he could.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 21:31, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Birthday ==
 
 
Happy birthday Sai! :) ----[[User:WildStorm23|<span style="color: orange; font-family: Lucinda; background: white; border:1px solid; -moz-border-raiuds: 1em; color: orange"> Hokage Wild</span>]] 15:27, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Equipment ==
 
 
In the filler, Sai said "your equipment/his equipment". What does "equipment" mean?{{unsigned|Narutoaddikagen}}
 
:Slang for the thing between Naruto's legs. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 11:24, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
In other words, his tool :P
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:24, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Ohhhh Now I get it.--[[User:Narutoaddikagen|Narutoaddikagen]] ([[User talk:Narutoaddikagen|talk]]) 00:57, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Sai's drawing abilities ==
 
 
Is Sai the only person in the ninja world that can make drawings come to life?
 

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I was just rereading some older chapters and after sai's ink clone got stabbed by orochimaru sai was seen hiding in the ground. could this be earth release: hiding like a mole? Munchvtec (talk) 12:47, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Someone brought this up year ago. The thing is, the ground wasn't shown very well to deduce if he used it or not--Elveonora (talk) 13:03, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

but could it be listed as presumed sense we have that on some articles? Munchvtec (talk) 13:05, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

It could be that he just dug a hole like Naruto did, but both in the manga and anime, he comes out the ground without using his arms...so it really looks like he's a user. Maybe he never got listed because he wasn't added as a user in the databook which covered Deidara, who did it before and Tobi, who did it after Sai's meeting with Orochimaru....Norleon (talk) 13:13, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe he wasnt listed as a user because there are multiple jutsu that let you do this. But anyways it should be added. Munchvtec (talk) 13:16, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

I would like to have some more opinions first. Norleon (talk) 13:21, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

ok. Munchvtec (talk) 13:23, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Possible. Looking back at the old discussion, one user brought up that it is entirely possible to actually dig a hole and not use a jutsu for it. So there is that.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:29, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

how did he have enough time to did a hole that big with his hands sense he has nothing else. also, thats why it would be listed as presumed. why would he need to dig a hole anyways he could have just used his fancy ink body flicker jutsu to hide. Munchvtec (talk) 13:32, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

How does a ninja have enough time to cut a log perfectly for a substitution? Jutsu are weird.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:35, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
Soooo I guess he does not get listed? Norleon (talk) 13:36, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
For now, I would say no. But that's just my opinion.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:42, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

ok and btw i don't they cut the wood, they transport it to there current location/switch places with it. Munchvtec (talk) 17:12, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

I just re-read the same chapter. At first I thought Sai was simply phasing through the dirt, but after a closer look, it shows clearly that the earth shifted. I don't think Sai dug the hole with his hands, I think the only time that's ever happened, it stated as such. I think a "Presumed" tag would be appropriate if nothing else.--Reliops (talk) 19:02, September 16, 2014 (UTC)