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(pointless to speculate anyway, tho it's getting more and more likely the Sharingan and Rinnegan and nothing but Ten-Tail's eye separate into two, the general consensus is that Rinnegan was Sage's KKG, it's getting less and less probable)
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== Distinguish shadow clone from the original? ==
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== Kekkei Mora ==
   
What the heck? Where was this ability shown?[[User:Undominanthybrid|Undominanthybrid]] ([[User talk:Undominanthybrid|talk]]) 18:06, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
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Since Jin no Sho lists Hagoromo as Kekkei Mora user, should this be classified as Kekkei Genkai? Was it anywhere ever stated to be Kekkei Genkai?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:38, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:What. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:39, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::He's saying that the Rinnegan was never classified as a kekkei genkai and because Hagoromo was listed as a kekkei mora user, then this is also a kekkei mora.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:56, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:::And it's not a joke? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:57, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::::And if you have time to make a joke yourself, you have time to actually answer him yes? Everything I read is second hand, is there a source that actually calls the Rinnegan a kekkei genkai or not?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:00, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::[http://www.qpic.ws/images/114144878111730422848681419140909n.jpg Yes]. And I really don't know how you can't answer this question yourselves. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:06, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::I can't read Japanese. Hence why I said "Everything I read is second hand", and I've reading off bad translations before.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::I understand, but the databook's been out for a few years now. Don't you think any mistranslations would've been corrected by now? :/ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:11, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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You would think, but as I said, I've been going off wrong translations before.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:13, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:Hagoromo's page has it listed Kekkei Mōra.--[[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 15:16, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::I know, that's because people here still think it's our job to correct the manga. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:20, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:::@Kuroiraikou: Assuming the databook is not wrong, kekkei mora functions differently than kekkei genkai but we are not given any reason as to how. One of the few things we do know is that some things that are listed as kekkei genkai for others are listed for kekkei mora for Kaguya and Hagoromo. If memory serves me correctly, Kaguya's Byakugan is listed as a kekkei mora, yet we know it is a kekkei genkai for the Hyuga.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:29, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Kaguya's Byakugan was never called KKM. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:30, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::I was under the impression nothing under the impression that in her profile she had the kekkei mora symbol or character, or whatever marking they had, instead of a kekkei genkai mark, like other known users of a kekkei genkai.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:34, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Yes, that's true. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:42, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
   
there's a reference --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:21, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::@TheUltimate3, with same reasoning we must delete Rinne Sharingan from Madara's infobox, then. :| ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:58, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
   
Though it's not true. Nagato was fooled many times by shadow clones during Konoha's invasion, and he had 6 bodies seeing the action. Madara's distinction is his own merit, unless it's made clear that Nagato being unable to do so was due to his own ineptitude with the Rinnegan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:22, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
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@Seelentau: Hence, based on that, everything Kaguya has is (currently) listed as Kekkei Mora, which is why the article reads "We don't actually know what this crap is."
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@Rage gtx: I'm going to assume you mean remove Rinne Sharingan as a kekkei mora from his infobox. Does the databook give him the kekkei mora classification? If not, then yes it should just be kekkei genkai.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:27, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:TU3, by adding the Rinnegan as a KKM for Hagoromo or the Byakugan as a KKM for Kaguya because they lack the KKG classification, we're attempting to correct the official sources. That is something we should never do. It's simply not our job to decide what's correct and what isn't. We're here to document, not to create our own versions of the manga. But apparently, I'm the only one who thinks so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:35, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
   
Now you mention it... might have something to do with intelligence and experience. Not to mention Madara has also Sharingan, so his perception is trained to notice such a difference. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if Naruto makes 3 shadow clones, each of them has the same amount of chakra right? Maybe he saw the one has less chakra than the original would have or something, or Nagato was dumb--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:16, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:@TheUltimate3 yes Madara has only KKG characteristic.
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:And here some of my '''HO''' on this case: Hagoromo has KKM because to achive Rinnegan Senju and Uchiha must mix Asura's and Indra's chakra/genes/stuff into themselves - so literally Rinnegan bloodline encompassing of Senju and Uchiha(two different bloodlines). In Madara's and Sasuke case Rinnegan is KKG because their dojutsus that evolved into Rinnegan were KKG(Sharingan) - mutation that not occured naturally. Now about Madara's Rinne Sharingan - he gained that eye after becoming JJ and using partial Biju Transformation(not different from Naruto gaining fox pupils when goes mad or Bi using tentacles) since parent technique that allowed Madara become JJ was KKG(Rikudō Jūbi Kyūin) so partial Biju Transformation that allows to Rinne Sharingan pop out is KKG as well ah and Obito who used Biju Transformation with same eye must be listed as well. Ok that's IMHO wanted to share. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 18:49, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
   
Why Madara knew isn't important, unless the manga itself brings it up. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:24, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
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::@Seelentau: Except we're not correcting anything this time. The databook did not list kekkei genkai for those two, but they were listed with these things. And because we literally know nothing about what a kekkei mora is, all we can is state what we got; "Databook says these are kekkei mora. We don't have any more info than that". For once, we are just pointing out what the databook is saying and going any further.
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::@Rage gtx: That is fantastic and in no way can be verified. So thanks for that but it doesn't help one way or another.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:04, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:::The databook doesn't label them as KKM, as I said. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Question? ==
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== Sasuke's Rinnegan ==
   
In the latest chapter, [[Madara Uchiha]] said that he gave his eyes to [[Nagato]]. Way later on, [[Obito Uchiha]] took an eye from Nagato. "Obito implants one of Nagato's Rinnegan in his left socket, replacing the Sharingan he sacrificed." (Thats straight from the article). Should we say that Obito ''really'' got one of Madaras eyes instead? [[User:Zelwolf|Zelwolf]] ([[User talk:Zelwolf|talk]]) 02:18, October 18, 2012 (UTC)Zelwolf
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Given the information in Gaiden 700+8, can we say that Sasuke *does* have the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo and Madara, but he also has an enhanced state? So for the forms section, how about "The Rinnegan" and "Sasuke's enhanced Rinnegan"? --[[User:NeedleJizo|Jizo 悟]] ([[User talk:NeedleJizo|talk]]) 04:36, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:It's him simply using Rinnegan and Sharingan/Mangekyou Sharingan at the same time. Unlikely Madara who had to switch (or at least it seemed to be the case) Sasuke can use both doujutsu at once. It's Semi-Rinne Sharingan if you will :D--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 07:01, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
Not necessary. If we wanted to be really technical about it, we'd have to call them Izuna's eyes, because Madara took Izuna's MS after his went blind. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:38, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
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Picking this up again: How likely is it that the Tomoe aren't part of Sasuke's Rinnegan and he really has Hagoromo's Rinnegan, just with the Sharingan's tomoe "shining through"? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 16:19, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
Whoa. I didn't even think about that. Crazy man! It's probably best to keep it at saying he took Nagatos eye. I kind forgot that they were Izunas eyes! [[User:Zelwolf|Zelwolf]] ([[User talk:Zelwolf|talk]]) 02:52, October 18, 2012 (UTC)Zelwolf
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:I 'unno. I always figured his Rinnegan was special because it only appeared in one eye. Are we sure Kisihomoto didn't make a mistake and just forgot to draw the tomoe? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time he screwed up Sasuke's eye.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:03, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
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::Yes, 100% sure. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:25, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Right, an entire page was dedicated to the tomoe re-appearing with statement that his ocular powers have returned. It's unique for 2 reasons: as mentioned, the Rinnegan appears just in one eye and there's 6 tomoe even though one Sharingan has only 3. So maybe it's a variant after all? And it turns into the basic one Hagoromo has when Sasuke is out of juice.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 02:15, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I think it's because Sasuke's Sharingan is MS, so to somehow to represent it on Rinnegan Kishi did 6 tomoe. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 02:30, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::More likely for it being an EMS. Even Sasuke's regular MS had just three shapes, three ellipse-ish shapes. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:51, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Uchiha/Senju ==
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== Momoshiki & Kinshiki ==
   
Having the powers of both the Uchiha and the senju has been stated as a precondition to awakening the rinnegan. So should we not include it on this page as well as the pages of both clans that this kekkei genkai originates/belongs to the clans... the same way the Sharingan is a Uchiha kekkei genkai and Wood release is a Senju kekkei genkai.{{unsigned|46.17.233.102}}
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Can someone to add [[Momoshiki]] & [[Kinshiki]] to the info box since the Boruto Movie Plot confirms that both of them wield the Rinnegan [http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=53843724&postcount=45 [1]] --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 04:59, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
:It doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the Sage. Remerging the bloodlines simply awakens the Rinnegan. It is worth a mention though, I suppose.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:58, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
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:That would take some infobox tinkering. As they're movie characters, they tend not to appear in infoboxes that collect info from other articles, if the article in particular lists something from the manga or anime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:44, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
: Though I kinda appreciate your reasoning, but it makes me think... If the rinnegan is not an Uchiha or Senju kekkei genkai even though having the powers of both clans is a preçondition, then does that mean Izanagi is not an uchiha kinjutsu ability since the complete izanagi requires both Senju and Uchiha powers i.e. ''Remerging the bloodlines''. However it is clearly labelled an Uchiha kinjutsu. which would make Rinnegan an Uchiha kekkei genkai even though Remerging the bloodlines is necessary. However I would also add the rinnegan as a Senju kekkei genkai because awakening the rinnegan is impossible without senju powers however it is possible to use an incomplete Izanagi without senju power so it is not necessary to add Izanagi as a Senju kinjutsu. Its fine if you see this differently but I think it should be somehow mentioned on both clans pages as well as this page. By the way how do i sign my comments {{unsigned|46.17.233.102}}
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:Why add Rinnegan to their info boxes considering the provided link is an unconfirmed source; fake plots are always made and cactua is not reliable. [[User:NewGenToneri|NewGenToneri]] ([[User talk:NewGenToneri|talk]]) 14:56, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri
::Put four ~ at the end of your post. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:29, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
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::^lol. @Omnibender: <s>The Rinnegan were already put into their infoboxes, it seems to work, doesn't it? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 15:25, June 23, 2015 (UTC)</s>
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::Nevermind. Well, it's basically the same as with Boruto and his Chidori... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:32, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::: @Seelentau: Boruto and his "chidori" were seen in the trailer. Momoshinki's and Kimishinki's visuals have not even been seen yet and the cactua post does not have any credence really so I'd halt on the Rinnegan in their infoboxes. [[User:NewGenToneri|NewGenToneri]] ([[User talk:NewGenToneri|talk]]) 17:49, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri of awesome.
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::::What do you know about her credibility? Do you speak Japanese? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:10, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: @NewGenToneri The japanese raw of the Boruto Movie Plot is 100% legit [https://www.toho.co.jp/movie/lineup/naruto2015.html (1)], Cacatua's translation was approved by the translator mod of /r/naruto [http://i.imgur.com/jPYMwBu.png 2]. Since Momoshiki & Kinshiki both have a rinnegan in each hand [http://i.imgur.com/jPYMwBu.png (3)], we have already seen either Momoshiki or Kinshiki [http://108.imagebam.com/download/hdJmr6CTUQlhLiodIDBnfA/41713/417129473/boruto%20poster.jpg (4)] --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 19:01, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::5) I approve of the translation as well. :) So I guess that confirms the Byakugan as well. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:04, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::@Seelentau Alright I'm sorry, now I feel like a derp, haha. Just wanted to confirm its credence. [[User:NewGenToneri|NewGenToneri]] ([[User talk:NewGenToneri|talk]]) 20:33, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri
   
Having senju dna is not a requirement as itachi explained in chapter 587 in the manga. What you are suggesting is that all the Uchiha members in history, which were quite alot all had their hands on senju dna. --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 19:52, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
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== Red Rinnegan ==
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It seems like they won't be changing the Rinnegan's red color in the Boruto movie, so that needs to be added accordingly. Or do we wait? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:10, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:I think we could add it.--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]12:31, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Considering that the movie is screening in less than two weeks, i think we should wait before saying Momoshiki's rinnegan is red, because '''Kishimotos art''' depicts it as light purple/pink. --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 22:47, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Transplanted rinnegan active at all times? ==
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== Fake Rinnegan? ==
   
Hmm is that really the case? Nagato didn't have the rinnegan the moment it was transplanted; he awakened it when is parents died. I'd also like the note a transplanted sharingan doesn't stay constant all the time; kakashi is able to switch between normal and mangekyo. --[[User:1337 B33FC4K3|1337 B33FC4K3]] ([[User talk:1337 B33FC4K3|talk]]) 06:00, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
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Looking at this quote: " To that end he (Kabuto) successfully recreated the Rinnegan in Madara's reincarnated body, though these fake eyes didn't have full access to the original's abilities." I can't help but think this might be a misinterpretation. I thought that the problem with Madara's Rinnegan while he was a reincarnated shinobi was that they were indeed reincarnated Rinnegan- something that should have been as powerful as the real thing anyway. He was missing his Rinnegan when he died, though, as he gave them to Obito, and he was also really old. Are we to assume that Kabuto made his corpse younger and created a set of Rinnegan? [[User:Diamonddeath|Diamonddeath]] ([[User talk:Diamonddeath|talk]]) 09:49, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
:It is not. It has been removed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:47, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Adding an "Acquisition" section ==
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== Image change ==
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That new image of Madara,and his Rinnegan doesn't look clear.Is there a better quality pic or something?--[[User:Vacent|Vacent]] ([[User talk:Vacent|talk]]) 14:59, July 30, 2015 (UTC)
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:Sadly not :( but Black Zetsu's upcoming flashback might depict it clearer. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 18:56, July 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
I'll add a section in teh article which details obtaining the Rinnegan. If you like it, it can stay. If you don't like it, feel free to remove it. [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 11:05, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Clarification ==
:What excactly do you mean by "obtaining the Rinnegan"?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:23, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:: obtaining Sharingan -> obtaining Mangekyō Sharingan -> obtaining EMS -> obtaining Senju cells -> obtaining Rinnegan [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 11:32, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I've already removed it. Not only was it interjected with wrong information, everything there was mentioned already. The second paragraph that spoke about rearing Rinnegan babies was utterly unnecessary. Leave some things to people's imagination.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:35, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Maintaining Susanoo has nothing to do with Rinnegan ==
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Okay. Made [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rinnegan?diff=1083663&oldid=1083660 an edit] to this page regarding Momoshiki, but I was a bit [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Rinnegan?diff=next&oldid=1083663 conflicted]. Should we say that Momoshiki's ability to absorb chakra on contact with his Rinnegan is unique to him like Limbo and Amenotejikara are to Madara and Sasuke, respectively? Or should we say that Momoshiki can use the Preta Path? <br>I mean, I know we classified Sasuke as a Preta Path user due to him using the Deva Path (Chibaku Tensei) and by extension the Six Paths Technique and affirming his chakra absorption is the Preta Path, but still... need some clarification is all. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:37, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:I'd say it's unique, since it also grants him the techniques which he absorbs. Preta Path, to my knowledge, doesn't do that.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 23:40, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::Good point there. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:41, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
Maintaining Susanoo has nothing to do with the Rinnegan. It serves no purpose in the topic. Itachi maintained Susanoo without even the Sharingan.[[User:NoJutsu|NoJutsu]] ([[User talk:NoJutsu|talk]]) 02:55, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Pertaining to Momoshiki's rinnegan ==
:Itachi used Susanoo with (near) blinded Mangekyo Sharingan, as his eyes were not shaded in the manga as they usually would be, similar to how his left eye was depicted after using Izanami. Madara using Susanoo with his Rinnegan active is the only time the technique has had a confirmed non-Mangekyo use, so it might be worth mentioning.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 03:31, December 12, 2012 (UTC)
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For most of the movie Momoshiki has a red rinnegan, but after absorbing Kinshiki, Momoshikis red rinnegan turns into an ordinary light-purple rinnegan. This seems to suggest that Momoshiki's red rinnegan is some sort of de-powered rinnegan or sub-rinnegan, because after absorbing a large ammount of chakra Momoshiki's rinnegan turned the normal light-purple colour. --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 02:53, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:It make sense. I hope this is clarified in the movie book. --[[User:Lukas Pessoa Dantas|Lukas Pessoa Dantas]] ([[User talk:Lukas Pessoa Dantas|talk]]) 03:13, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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::It's not. Literally nothing is explained in that book. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:12, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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@Seelentau, Does Momoshiki ever even call his red palm eyes rinnegan? He never demonstrates any of the Six Paths Techniques. After absorbing Kinshiki, Momoshiki's palm eyes turn light-purple, so they are most definitely rinnegan, also the teaser plot says Momoshiki has palm rinnegans. Can we say for sure that the red palm eyes are even rinnegan? --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 20:59, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:Yes. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:09, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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::Does the movie or its databook explain where/how he got the Rinnegan?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 09:06, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::See above. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:01, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Well that's just perfect. I thought Rinnegan is a Hagoromo thing and Shiki is supposedly older than Hagoromo, ugh.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:05, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::@Elve, Should we remove the part that says the rinnegan was first manifested by Hagoromo, because Momoshiki is older than Hagoromo --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 22:12, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Is he older tho?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 22:15, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::: @Omojuze, I'l ask OrganicDinosaur, she told me she has finished reading the Boruto Movie Novel --[[User:DC52|DC52]] ([[User talk:DC52|talk]]) 21:59, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

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Kekkei Mora Edit

Since Jin no Sho lists Hagoromo as Kekkei Mora user, should this be classified as Kekkei Genkai? Was it anywhere ever stated to be Kekkei Genkai?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:38, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

What. • Seelentau 愛 14:39, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
He's saying that the Rinnegan was never classified as a kekkei genkai and because Hagoromo was listed as a kekkei mora user, then this is also a kekkei mora.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 14:56, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
And it's not a joke? • Seelentau 愛 14:57, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
And if you have time to make a joke yourself, you have time to actually answer him yes? Everything I read is second hand, is there a source that actually calls the Rinnegan a kekkei genkai or not?--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 15:00, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
Yes. And I really don't know how you can't answer this question yourselves. • Seelentau 愛 15:06, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
I can't read Japanese. Hence why I said "Everything I read is second hand", and I've reading off bad translations before.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 15:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
I understand, but the databook's been out for a few years now. Don't you think any mistranslations would've been corrected by now? :/ • Seelentau 愛 15:11, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

You would think, but as I said, I've been going off wrong translations before.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 15:13, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hagoromo's page has it listed Kekkei Mōra.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 15:16, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
I know, that's because people here still think it's our job to correct the manga. • Seelentau 愛 15:20, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
@Kuroiraikou: Assuming the databook is not wrong, kekkei mora functions differently than kekkei genkai but we are not given any reason as to how. One of the few things we do know is that some things that are listed as kekkei genkai for others are listed for kekkei mora for Kaguya and Hagoromo. If memory serves me correctly, Kaguya's Byakugan is listed as a kekkei mora, yet we know it is a kekkei genkai for the Hyuga.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 15:29, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
Kaguya's Byakugan was never called KKM. • Seelentau 愛 15:30, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
I was under the impression nothing under the impression that in her profile she had the kekkei mora symbol or character, or whatever marking they had, instead of a kekkei genkai mark, like other known users of a kekkei genkai.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 15:34, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's true. • Seelentau 愛 15:42, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, with same reasoning we must delete Rinne Sharingan from Madara's infobox, then. :| ./ Rage gtx (talk) 16:58, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau: Hence, based on that, everything Kaguya has is (currently) listed as Kekkei Mora, which is why the article reads "We don't actually know what this crap is." @Rage gtx: I'm going to assume you mean remove Rinne Sharingan as a kekkei mora from his infobox. Does the databook give him the kekkei mora classification? If not, then yes it should just be kekkei genkai.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 17:27, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

TU3, by adding the Rinnegan as a KKM for Hagoromo or the Byakugan as a KKM for Kaguya because they lack the KKG classification, we're attempting to correct the official sources. That is something we should never do. It's simply not our job to decide what's correct and what isn't. We're here to document, not to create our own versions of the manga. But apparently, I'm the only one who thinks so. • Seelentau 愛 17:35, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3 yes Madara has only KKG characteristic.
And here some of my HO on this case: Hagoromo has KKM because to achive Rinnegan Senju and Uchiha must mix Asura's and Indra's chakra/genes/stuff into themselves - so literally Rinnegan bloodline encompassing of Senju and Uchiha(two different bloodlines). In Madara's and Sasuke case Rinnegan is KKG because their dojutsus that evolved into Rinnegan were KKG(Sharingan) - mutation that not occured naturally. Now about Madara's Rinne Sharingan - he gained that eye after becoming JJ and using partial Biju Transformation(not different from Naruto gaining fox pupils when goes mad or Bi using tentacles) since parent technique that allowed Madara become JJ was KKG(Rikudō Jūbi Kyūin) so partial Biju Transformation that allows to Rinne Sharingan pop out is KKG as well ah and Obito who used Biju Transformation with same eye must be listed as well. Ok that's IMHO wanted to share. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 18:49, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
@Seelentau: Except we're not correcting anything this time. The databook did not list kekkei genkai for those two, but they were listed with these things. And because we literally know nothing about what a kekkei mora is, all we can is state what we got; "Databook says these are kekkei mora. We don't have any more info than that". For once, we are just pointing out what the databook is saying and going any further.
@Rage gtx: That is fantastic and in no way can be verified. So thanks for that but it doesn't help one way or another.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 21:04, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
The databook doesn't label them as KKM, as I said. • Seelentau 愛 21:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan Edit

Given the information in Gaiden 700+8, can we say that Sasuke *does* have the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo and Madara, but he also has an enhanced state? So for the forms section, how about "The Rinnegan" and "Sasuke's enhanced Rinnegan"? --Jizo 悟 (talk) 04:36, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

It's him simply using Rinnegan and Sharingan/Mangekyou Sharingan at the same time. Unlikely Madara who had to switch (or at least it seemed to be the case) Sasuke can use both doujutsu at once. It's Semi-Rinne Sharingan if you will :D--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 07:01, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Picking this up again: How likely is it that the Tomoe aren't part of Sasuke's Rinnegan and he really has Hagoromo's Rinnegan, just with the Sharingan's tomoe "shining through"? • Seelentau 愛 16:19, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

I 'unno. I always figured his Rinnegan was special because it only appeared in one eye. Are we sure Kisihomoto didn't make a mistake and just forgot to draw the tomoe? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time he screwed up Sasuke's eye.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 17:03, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, 100% sure. • Seelentau 愛 17:25, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
Right, an entire page was dedicated to the tomoe re-appearing with statement that his ocular powers have returned. It's unique for 2 reasons: as mentioned, the Rinnegan appears just in one eye and there's 6 tomoe even though one Sharingan has only 3. So maybe it's a variant after all? And it turns into the basic one Hagoromo has when Sasuke is out of juice.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 02:15, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
I think it's because Sasuke's Sharingan is MS, so to somehow to represent it on Rinnegan Kishi did 6 tomoe. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 02:30, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
More likely for it being an EMS. Even Sasuke's regular MS had just three shapes, three ellipse-ish shapes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:51, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Momoshiki & Kinshiki Edit

Can someone to add Momoshiki & Kinshiki to the info box since the Boruto Movie Plot confirms that both of them wield the Rinnegan [1] --DC52 (talk) 04:59, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

That would take some infobox tinkering. As they're movie characters, they tend not to appear in infoboxes that collect info from other articles, if the article in particular lists something from the manga or anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:44, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
Why add Rinnegan to their info boxes considering the provided link is an unconfirmed source; fake plots are always made and cactua is not reliable. NewGenToneri (talk) 14:56, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri
^lol. @Omnibender: The Rinnegan were already put into their infoboxes, it seems to work, doesn't it? • Seelentau 愛 15:25, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
Nevermind. Well, it's basically the same as with Boruto and his Chidori... • Seelentau 愛 15:32, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
@Seelentau: Boruto and his "chidori" were seen in the trailer. Momoshinki's and Kimishinki's visuals have not even been seen yet and the cactua post does not have any credence really so I'd halt on the Rinnegan in their infoboxes. NewGenToneri (talk) 17:49, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri of awesome.
What do you know about her credibility? Do you speak Japanese? • Seelentau 愛 18:10, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
@NewGenToneri The japanese raw of the Boruto Movie Plot is 100% legit (1), Cacatua's translation was approved by the translator mod of /r/naruto 2. Since Momoshiki & Kinshiki both have a rinnegan in each hand (3), we have already seen either Momoshiki or Kinshiki (4) --DC52 (talk) 19:01, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
5) I approve of the translation as well. :) So I guess that confirms the Byakugan as well. • Seelentau 愛 19:04, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
@Seelentau Alright I'm sorry, now I feel like a derp, haha. Just wanted to confirm its credence. NewGenToneri (talk) 20:33, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri

Red Rinnegan Edit

It seems like they won't be changing the Rinnegan's red color in the Boruto movie, so that needs to be added accordingly. Or do we wait? • Seelentau 愛 11:10, July 19, 2015 (UTC)

I think we could add it.--JOA2012:31, July 19, 2015 (UTC)
Considering that the movie is screening in less than two weeks, i think we should wait before saying Momoshiki's rinnegan is red, because Kishimotos art depicts it as light purple/pink. --DC52 (talk) 22:47, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fake Rinnegan? Edit

Looking at this quote: " To that end he (Kabuto) successfully recreated the Rinnegan in Madara's reincarnated body, though these fake eyes didn't have full access to the original's abilities." I can't help but think this might be a misinterpretation. I thought that the problem with Madara's Rinnegan while he was a reincarnated shinobi was that they were indeed reincarnated Rinnegan- something that should have been as powerful as the real thing anyway. He was missing his Rinnegan when he died, though, as he gave them to Obito, and he was also really old. Are we to assume that Kabuto made his corpse younger and created a set of Rinnegan? Diamonddeath (talk) 09:49, July 28, 2015 (UTC)

Image change Edit

That new image of Madara,and his Rinnegan doesn't look clear.Is there a better quality pic or something?--Vacent (talk) 14:59, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

Sadly not :( but Black Zetsu's upcoming flashback might depict it clearer. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 18:56, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

Clarification Edit

Okay. Made an edit to this page regarding Momoshiki, but I was a bit conflicted. Should we say that Momoshiki's ability to absorb chakra on contact with his Rinnegan is unique to him like Limbo and Amenotejikara are to Madara and Sasuke, respectively? Or should we say that Momoshiki can use the Preta Path?
I mean, I know we classified Sasuke as a Preta Path user due to him using the Deva Path (Chibaku Tensei) and by extension the Six Paths Technique and affirming his chakra absorption is the Preta Path, but still... need some clarification is all. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:37, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

I'd say it's unique, since it also grants him the techniques which he absorbs. Preta Path, to my knowledge, doesn't do that.--Omojuze (talk) 23:40, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
Good point there. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:41, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Pertaining to Momoshiki's rinnegan Edit

For most of the movie Momoshiki has a red rinnegan, but after absorbing Kinshiki, Momoshikis red rinnegan turns into an ordinary light-purple rinnegan. This seems to suggest that Momoshiki's red rinnegan is some sort of de-powered rinnegan or sub-rinnegan, because after absorbing a large ammount of chakra Momoshiki's rinnegan turned the normal light-purple colour. --DC52 (talk) 02:53, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

It make sense. I hope this is clarified in the movie book. --Lukas Pessoa Dantas (talk) 03:13, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
It's not. Literally nothing is explained in that book. • Seelentau 愛 12:12, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau, Does Momoshiki ever even call his red palm eyes rinnegan? He never demonstrates any of the Six Paths Techniques. After absorbing Kinshiki, Momoshiki's palm eyes turn light-purple, so they are most definitely rinnegan, also the teaser plot says Momoshiki has palm rinnegans. Can we say for sure that the red palm eyes are even rinnegan? --DC52 (talk) 20:59, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. • Seelentau 愛 21:09, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
Does the movie or its databook explain where/how he got the Rinnegan?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 09:06, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
See above. • Seelentau 愛 10:01, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well that's just perfect. I thought Rinnegan is a Hagoromo thing and Shiki is supposedly older than Hagoromo, ugh.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 10:05, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
@Elve, Should we remove the part that says the rinnegan was first manifested by Hagoromo, because Momoshiki is older than Hagoromo --DC52 (talk) 22:12, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
Is he older tho?--Omojuze (talk) 22:15, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
@Omojuze, I'l ask OrganicDinosaur, she told me she has finished reading the Boruto Movie Novel --DC52 (talk) 21:59, August 15, 2015 (UTC)
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