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Kekkei Mora

Since Jin no Sho lists Hagoromo as Kekkei Mora user, should this be classified as Kekkei Genkai? Was it anywhere ever stated to be Kekkei Genkai?--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 14:38, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

What. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 14:39, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

He's saying that the Rinnegan was never classified as a kekkei genkai and because Hagoromo was listed as a kekkei mora user, then this is also a kekkei mora.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 14:56, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

And it's not a joke? • Seelentau 愛 ^議 14:57, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

And if you have time to make a joke yourself, you have time to actually answer him yes? Everything I read is second hand, is there a source that actually calls the Rinnegan a kekkei genkai or not?--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 15:00, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. And I really don't know how you can't answer this question yourselves. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:06, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

I can't read Japanese. Hence why I said "Everything I read is second hand", and I've reading off bad translations before.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 15:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

I understand, but the databook's been out for a few years now. Don't you think any mistranslations would've been corrected by now? :/ • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:11, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

You would think, but as I said, I've been going off wrong translations before.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 15:13, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hagoromo's page has it listed Kekkei Mōra.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 15:16, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

I know, that's because people here still think it's our job to correct the manga. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:20, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@Kuroiraikou: Assuming the databook is not wrong, kekkei mora functions differently than kekkei genkai but we are not given any reason as to how. One of the few things we do know is that some things that are listed as kekkei genkai for others are listed for kekkei mora for Kaguya and Hagoromo. If memory serves me correctly, Kaguya's Byakugan is listed as a kekkei mora, yet we know it is a kekkei genkai for the Hyuga.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 15:29, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Kaguya's Byakugan was never called KKM. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:30, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

I was under the impression nothing under the impression that in her profile she had the kekkei mora symbol or character, or whatever marking they had, instead of a kekkei genkai mark, like other known users of a kekkei genkai.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 15:34, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, that's true. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:42, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@TheUltimate3, with same reasoning we must delete Rinne Sharingan from Madara's infobox, then. :| ./ Rage gtx (talk) 16:58, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau: Hence, based on that, everything Kaguya has is (currently) listed as Kekkei Mora, which is why the article reads "We don't actually know what this crap is." @Rage gtx: I'm going to assume you mean remove Rinne Sharingan as a kekkei mora from his infobox. Does the databook give him the kekkei mora classification? If not, then yes it should just be kekkei genkai.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 17:27, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

TU3, by adding the Rinnegan as a KKM for Hagoromo or the Byakugan as a KKM for Kaguya because they lack the KKG classification, we're attempting to correct the official sources. That is something we should never do. It's simply not our job to decide what's correct and what isn't. We're here to document, not to create our own versions of the manga. But apparently, I'm the only one who thinks so. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 17:35, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@TheUltimate3 yes Madara has only KKG characteristic.

And here some of my HO on this case: Hagoromo has KKM because to achive Rinnegan Senju and Uchiha must mix Asura's and Indra's chakra/genes/stuff into themselves - so literally Rinnegan bloodline encompassing of Senju and Uchiha(two different bloodlines). In Madara's and Sasuke case Rinnegan is KKG because their dojutsus that evolved into Rinnegan were KKG(Sharingan) - mutation that not occured naturally. Now about Madara's Rinne Sharingan - he gained that eye after becoming JJ and using partial Biju Transformation(not different from Naruto gaining fox pupils when goes mad or Bi using tentacles) since parent technique that allowed Madara become JJ was KKG(Rikudō Jūbi Kyūin) so partial Biju Transformation that allows to Rinne Sharingan pop out is KKG as well ah and Obito who used Biju Transformation with same eye must be listed as well. Ok that's IMHO wanted to share. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 18:49, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau: Except we're not correcting anything this time. The databook did not list kekkei genkai for those two, but they were listed with these things. And because we literally know nothing about what a kekkei mora is, all we can is state what we got; "Databook says these are kekkei mora. We don't have any more info than that". For once, we are just pointing out what the databook is saying and going any further.

@Rage gtx: That is fantastic and in no way can be verified. So thanks for that but it doesn't help one way or another.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 21:04, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

The databook doesn't label them as KKM, as I said. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 21:08, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Sasuke's Rinnegan

Given the information in Gaiden 700+8, can we say that Sasuke *does* have the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo and Madara, but he also has an enhanced state? So for the forms section, how about "The Rinnegan" and "Sasuke's enhanced Rinnegan"? --Jizo 悟 (talk) 04:36, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

It's him simply using Rinnegan and Sharingan/Mangekyou Sharingan at the same time. Unlikely Madara who had to switch (or at least it seemed to be the case) Sasuke can use both doujutsu at once. It's Semi-Rinne Sharingan if you will :D--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 07:01, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Picking this up again: How likely is it that the Tomoe aren't part of Sasuke's Rinnegan and he really has Hagoromo's Rinnegan, just with the Sharingan's tomoe "shining through"? • Seelentau 愛 ^議 16:19, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

I 'unno. I always figured his Rinnegan was special because it only appeared in one eye. Are we sure Kisihomoto didn't make a mistake and just forgot to draw the tomoe? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time he screwed up Sasuke's eye.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 17:03, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, 100% sure. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 17:25, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Right, an entire page was dedicated to the tomoe re-appearing with statement that his ocular powers have returned. It's unique for 2 reasons: as mentioned, the Rinnegan appears just in one eye and there's 6 tomoe even though one Sharingan has only 3. So maybe it's a variant after all? And it turns into the basic one Hagoromo has when Sasuke is out of juice.--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 02:15, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

I think it's because Sasuke's Sharingan is MS, so to somehow to represent it on Rinnegan Kishi did 6 tomoe. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 02:30, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

More likely for it being an EMS. Even Sasuke's regular MS had just three shapes, three ellipse-ish shapes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:51, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Momoshiki & Kinshiki

Can someone to add Momoshiki & Kinshiki to the info box since the Boruto Movie Plot confirms that both of them wield the Rinnegan [1] --DC52 (talk) 04:59, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

That would take some infobox tinkering. As they're movie characters, they tend not to appear in infoboxes that collect info from other articles, if the article in particular lists something from the manga or anime. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:44, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Why add Rinnegan to their info boxes considering the provided link is an unconfirmed source; fake plots are always made and cactua is not reliable. NewGenToneri (talk) 14:56, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri

^lol. @Omnibender: The Rinnegan were already put into their infoboxes, it seems to work, doesn't it? • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:25, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Nevermind. Well, it's basically the same as with Boruto and his Chidori... • Seelentau 愛 ^議 15:32, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau: Boruto and his "chidori" were seen in the trailer. Momoshinki's and Kimishinki's visuals have not even been seen yet and the cactua post does not have any credence really so I'd halt on the Rinnegan in their infoboxes. NewGenToneri (talk) 17:49, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri of awesome.

What do you know about her credibility? Do you speak Japanese? • Seelentau 愛 ^議 18:10, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

@NewGenToneri The japanese raw of the Boruto Movie Plot is 100% legit (1), Cacatua's translation was approved by the translator mod of /r/naruto 2. Since Momoshiki & Kinshiki both have a rinnegan in each hand (3), we have already seen either Momoshiki or Kinshiki (4) --DC52 (talk) 19:01, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

5) I approve of the translation as well. :) So I guess that confirms the Byakugan as well. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 19:04, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

@Seelentau Alright I'm sorry, now I feel like a derp, haha. Just wanted to confirm its credence. NewGenToneri (talk) 20:33, June 23, 2015 (UTC)NewGenToneri