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== Izanami ==
 
   
Since Madara said he would teach him the Six Paths jutsu (listed on the info box), Uchiha Kinjutsu and a Yin-Yang jutsu... Could we infer that Izanami is among the jutsu Obito learnt?
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'''<big>For previous discussions about this character, see also [[Talk:Tobi]] and its archives.</big>'''
 
I'm sure the Kinjutsu wasn't Izanagi because Izanagi would be the Yin-Yang jutsu.
 
 
I thought this would be an interesting avenue of discussion, and something to highlight.
 
 
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 04:04, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Madara has given no indication he knows Izanami, though he probably does. Madara listed the type of techniques he'd teach Obito, he wasn't enumerating each one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:50, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well, as a former leader of the clan and the strongest Uchiha, he is more likely to know, we would list him if Obito used or mentioned it I guess--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:14, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Surely the mention of Uchiha Kinjutsu is an indication that he does. After all, Obito did make it specially clear that his Yin-Yang jutsu (that Madara would've taught him) was Izanami. Yet whilst listing what he would teach Obito, he differentiated between this Yin-Yang jutsu and the Uchiha Kinjutsu.
 
 
Perhaps not definite, however could we make a little note that is is arguably possible? Akin to how we've got Orochimaru's Sage status in a manner that pleases everyone.
 
 
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 15:33, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
We list Madara as a user of Izanagi, so we either remove that or list both also as users of Izanami to be fair. Also something may be both Uchiha Kinjutsu and yin-yang release in one dude, that doesn't have a thing to do with anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:38, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'd think the both option is a good idea, imo.
 
 
That idea came to mind, that he was referring to one jutsu that was a Yin-Yang jutsu and an Uchiha Kinjutsu. However when I saw the page, it looked like he literally listed three distinct things he would teach Obito {Six Paths jutsu; Uchiha Kinjutsu; & a Yin-Yang jutsu}.
 
So that means Uchiha Kinjutsu was something different to Yin-Yang jutsu.
 
The Izanami idea cropped up because by that point in the manga, we were already aware that Izanami was an Uchiha Kinjutsu and that Izanagi was a Yin-Yang jutsu.
 
 
Rather than put Izanagi, we could perhaps list "Uchiha Kinjutsu" to be safe? Though personally I'd go with your Izanami on both articles idea.
 
 
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 03:42, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== "Critically wounded" ==
 
 
The panel dedicated to Obito's Sharingan before he walked into Kakashi's Raikiri indicates he may very well have used a genjutsu. It is speculation at this point in time but so is outright stating he allowed Kakashi to pierce him with this Raikiri.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 10:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
 
:Well, his right side got crushed, heart tends to be on left so I was wondering ._.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:07, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::It's genjutsu though. No matter how powerful he or Hashirama's cells are, nothing indicates that Obito could survive something like that when he was coughing blood after being punched in the stomach. Also note that Kakashi's hand came out of him sans the blood.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Yup, I believe it's a genjutsu too, there's no way the Raiki could destroy his heart completely or that he hadn't have one before that since the boulders couldn't destroy his heart I think as it's more on left not to mention Naruto survived the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:14, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Did Obito really phase through the Raikiri? ==
 
   
They're in the other dimension right? So any wounds Obito receives are real since he can't transport pieces of his body. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== As Yin-Kurama's jinchūriki ==
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In the [[Two Mangekyō|latest chapter]], Madara stated that Obito had both the left Rinnegan and the Yin half of Kurama. Is that enough to put Obito as Yin-Kurama's jinchūriki (though he most likely has already transferred it to Naruto)?--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 07:47, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't think obito phased through because you can tell if you look closer, yes those wounds will be real and maybe he can transport even if he's still in his dimension, but he let kakashi do that so then he could think back to the time when he got rin, and remember obitos' body is like a white zetsus' so the pain or damage wouldn't really affect him --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 15:31, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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I don't know why and how, but this chapter says that now Obito possesses Yin Kurama. Should we make respective changes?[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 08:25, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
:Transportation and phasing are separate, he is already transported so he can phase--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::And where to would he phase? Don't tell me the real world this time.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:36, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Exactly. He can't avoid attacks in the other dimension though. That's exactly why Naruto and Kakashi were able to wound him in previous chapters --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:39, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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:He *had the Yin Kyuubi. He transferred it to Naruto. But, maybe the community might want to wait for the raws to make an official decision.-'''NaviiGator''' <small>''('''A.K.A.'''KotoSenju)''</small><sup><small>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</small></sup> 09:12, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
:The dimension is big, he can phase anywhere. The reason they could hit him in the other dimension is that while parts of his body are intangible in real world, those transported parts are tangible in the other dimension. He is now fully there tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:41, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That's what I meant. It would be stupid of him to transport his chest to the real world where like 30 enemies still remain to see it as an opportunity to kill him.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:43, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Except that the hole is bleeding so even if he could transport parts of his body in the other dimension the hole wouldn't be bleeding, and it would become whole again as soon as Kakashi pulled his hand back. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm fairly certain that Obito was the Yin Kurama Jinchuriki for a brief period of time there. He was using a kyuubi chakra arm to pull the beast fragments out of Madara, and when we saw him in Madara in that bijuu mind space place, you can see the Yin Kyuubi floating right above him. As such, I'd say it'd be safe to list him as a past Kyuubi jin.
:Sounds logical.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:49, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 14:22, February 28, 2014 (UTC)Kenny U
   
I think he will just heal back from this, all that junk he was doing and all he was saying and to let himself die like that?? I don't think so. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== 2 things ==
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Shouldn't we list him as a user of chakra absorption? Also I see he is listed as a Sensor, I don't recall, any justification for that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:21, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
After reading the previous debate, I think it is 99% positive Obito is just using a Genjutsu, he has NOT been wounded at all. Thank god.. that would of been a shitty ending to him. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[Usertalk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Against Sasuke's Amaterasu in chapter 641: "I could ''sense'' the build up of chakra in your left eye..."--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 11:19, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
I agree that it's likely a genjutsu, but my observation was that it's physically impossible for him to phase through the attack with kamui in his own dimension. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 04:40, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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::But couldn't it have been his sense of sight, he can see chakra? [[User:Arrancar79|Arrancar79]] ([[User talk:Arrancar79|talk]]) 04:50, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't see why everyone is making this all so complicated when really, it's simple.
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He is most definitely a Sensor type, as he has used sensing abilities to find Minato and Kushina, Sasuke and Itachi, and then Taka, then he said he sensed the Amaterasu build up. I also agree he can absorb Chakra.. I mean Madara did say he turned Obito into himself basically...[[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:56, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
You see Obito use his Sharingan in one panel, then Kakashi looks shocked, next panel Obito walks into the attack, and then Kakashi sees Rin standing there instead of Obito. He's caught Kakashi in a Genjutsu of the day Rin died. *sigh* There is no need to make it more complicated than it actually is. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 07:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Jinchuriki ==
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Shouldn't Obito have Gedo Mazo be listed as one of Obito's Tailed Beasts in his infobox? It was only for a short time sure, but there nonetheless. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:The Demonic Statue isn't a tailed beast, so...--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Except, given it's the husk of the Ten Tails and so technically it is, so... [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:11, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::It may be ''similar'' to a tailed beast, but it has never been stated to be one, not by Madara, Obito or the tailed beasts, who are the ones knowing the most about it.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:18, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::It's the Ten-Tails' body, so it clearly is a Tailed Beast by definition. Neither Obito nor Madara have ever referred to Gedo Mazo as a living being either, but clearly we didn't need them to tell us that once we saw it moving and showing behavior and such. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:21, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Well, if that's your point then we'll have to go by vote. I actually support this. --[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:23, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:It might be the body of a tailed beast, but it's not ''a'' tailed beast. Obito wasn't no longer a jinchūriki the moment One-Tail through Seven-Tails and the chakra fragments of Eight and Nine-Tails were removed from him. He's not even a pseudo-jinchūriki, since he no longer had the chakra of an actual tailed beast in him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:29, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Omni, the equivalent of what you're saying is if Kurama lost all of its chakra, the person it's sealed in is no longer a jinchuriki, which is self-evidently absurd. After all, Gyuki said that Samehada had absorbed all his chakra during his and B's fight with Kisame, yet we never thought to de-list B as a jinchuriki. It's the being itself that counts, not simply the chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Obito was a classified as a jinchuriki when he had the Ten-Tails sealed in him. When it was removed and he was just housing the Demonic Statue, he kept his ''status'' as a jinchuriki (same way Gaara kept his status despite Shukaku being removed), but he was no longer a jinchuriki because the Demonic Statue is not a tailed beast.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:05, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::If it's a tb, the sage's tools are tb, too. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:16, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Update to Personality/Ambitions ==
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A better discussion seems to be the fact that Obito was the actual jinchūriki of Yin Kurama, not Zetsu. Madara even outright says in this chapter that it is Obito housing Kurama, evidenced by Kurama appearing with him when he went to pull out Madara's beasts, as well as his ability to transfer the beast from himself to Naruto. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:02, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Don't think it's quite that simple. It was very clear that Black Zetsu was the one who took Kurama. Obito was still unconscious when it happened. Either Obito has access to Yin Kurama because he's merged with BZ and is preventing BZ from leaving him, or for some reason, BZ housed Yin Kurama in Obito. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:19, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::If it were that simple for a Zetsu to become a jinchūriki, I wonder why Madara/Obito didn't just "steal" the tailed beasts housing them in Zetsu clones. Madara himself says it: "Obito has both the Yin half of the Nine-Tails and the left Rinnegan..."--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 19:44, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Things have been screwy with this. When Obito was not in control of his body, Black Zetsu was ready to leave Obito's body and take Yin-Kurama with him, meaning Yin-Kurama had to have been in him. However, once Obito got control of the body, he was able to do the transfer.
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:::It is possible that because Black Zetsu is a parasite on Obito's body, once he regained control, he could do whatever he wanted with Black Zetsu and that includes transfering a tailed beast.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:46, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Yes because when he transferes the kyuubi to Naruto, he does from his right side, the side that BZ isn't on. This means that no matter what, something happened so that the kyuubi is inside of Obito now [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]])
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:::::Obito might be in control of what happens to it, but it's still in BZ. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: Even still, he would have to have it in himself first cause he didn't do it from BZ he did it from his own flesh and being [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 20:48, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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I don't think BZ has a body in the first place. He's a mass of chakra that leeches on to people. Therefore, he would use the body he's attached to to store any tailed beasts he takes. As chakra, he has no storage place of his own. When leaving the body, he would just hold on to the chakra to take it with him. To say that BZ on his own is a Jinchuuriki is like say a tailed beast can be a jinchuuriki of a tailed beast. Not possible. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 20:58, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
With 629 revealing the true stimulus for Obito starting the Fourth Shinobi World War, the entire shinobi system, it should be noted somewhere in his personality section as currently the only ambition for his antagonism is for Rin, which played a smaller role than originally believed. Furthermore, he still has yet to express his desire for reuniting with her in the dream world since becoming an adult, so that's speculation in itself. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 20:24, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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He may not have a body in a traditional sense, but he definitely has a physical composition. He's not an ethereal entity, otherwise there's no way he'd be able to so many things he does, like just a few chapters ago, digging his way through the ground to intercept Yin Kurama. That still doesn't change the fact that when he was going to leave before Obito stopped him, the black mass itself was leaving Obito's body, meaning the black mass itself contained Yin Kurama. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
:I thought it to be obvious. There's no such thing as true peace possible in a chaotic world, that's why he wants to live in an illusion. Rin's death was a trigger though. Had she not died under those circumstances, he wouldn't have lost hope for "this" world. More or less, Nagato's philosophy is also what Obito believes.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:35, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Who said chakra was ethereal? If that were the case, the tailed beast would be ghosts. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 21:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::Chakra by definition is made up two energies. By ethereal, I mean something like dragon entities that come out of the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path. Sure, they're there, they interact with stuff, but it's not quite mass like a rock or a tree. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:14, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
::Considering like there still many readers that didn't understand that the sentence "You let Rin die" was reffered about the reason for Obito to not return to Konoha also if he was survived (indeed it was Obito's answer to this Kakashi's question), sadly no, it's not obvious...--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 14:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
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On topic... @Skitts, the "Ten-Tails/Shinju" isn't even a Tailed Beast, we just classify it as such for some weird reason. Also offtopic, but again I must remind the urgency of merging Gedo Mazo and Shinju articles. Having them separated is like saying that myself with a limb removed would no longer be me but some other person--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:39, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
:::Obito even made it clear that he holds no grudges against Kakashi. There's nothing he could have done, but he was considered a hero while in fact he couldn't even save his friends and keep a promise and the true hero is unknown (Rin), that's why he is a trash just like anybody else that is Fortunate by prospering/living off from others' misfortune etc.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:29, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Obito's age ==
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I know I used to be in favor of the contrary, but I actually do not support a merger. Also, I kind of don't think the Gedo Mazo should really count as making him a jinchuriki... BUT... I do think the Shinju itself should be separated from the Ten-Tail's page. The Shinju (God Tree) was able to be reproduced by Obito during his duration as its Jinchuriki. But even after being stripped of the Ten-Tails and having all of the Tailed Beast comprising it split up, the Shinju remained fully planted in the ground without being disturbed. This effectively demonstrated that it, after its recreation at least, was able to continue on without and in the absence of the Juubi/Ten-Tails itself, the 9 Chakra Entities which comprised it, and the Gedo Mazo body. So I do not think either Shinju or Gedo Mazo should be counted as Tailed Beasts. After all, they both lack the fundamental chakra tails, even if they are chakra entities in either part or whole.[[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 05:31, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
Why does Obito still have no age information? Since he is a former classmate of Guy and Kakashi in their youth, if we follow their current age in Shippuden, he should be 30 now actually too. But why there is no age info at his infobox? [[Special:Contributions/125.212.50.94|125.212.50.94]] ([[User talk:125.212.50.94|talk]]) 05:13, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Because people still argue and make wars around this and he is in fact 34 according to manga and databook information.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:33, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Well there could be mistakes regarding with both manga and anime timeline. However only time will tell. [[Special:Contributions/125.212.50.94|125.212.50.94]] ([[User talk:125.212.50.94|talk]]) 15:37, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
If chapter 599's 3 mistakes are excluded then Obito and Rin would be 2 years and 7 months older than Kakashi in manga and databook. If chapter 599 is excluded period, then in manga and databook Obito and Rin are 3 years and 7 months older than Kakashi. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 01:05, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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I would agree that after taking control of his body and BZ Obito just could do anything he wanted with Yin Kurama, while it still was physically in BZ, but him resealing it to Naruto through his normal body AND him using '''tailed beast chakra arms''' against Madara suggests that Kurama somehow moved to his body. It's stupid, I know, but that's how Kishi made it.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 06:35, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
No your only evidence is the graduation ages elve, you ignored the reg. numbers, and chapter 599 which only had THREE real errors. You ignored the fact that Itachi and Kakashi only took 1 year to graduate, while no one else is known to have done it, you also ignored the fact that asuma and gai were chunin when rin shows the congratulate kakashi plan knowing they were 11 and 12 meaning kakashi was 11, obito was 13 at kanabi bridge thats a fact and rins scene with the paper was right before the gaiden, jonin sensei's can withhold any of their students from chunin exams for as long as they see fit or if they fail one the jonin can prevent them from taking another until he/she feels they are ready. You seem to not want to accept that either. Kurenais reg. number is right near rins who is near obitos, and the smallest a graduating class has been known as is 36. naruto and sasuke entered academy at 5 and graduated at 12, so did the rest of the konoha 9, kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than itachi, who was 4 in the third war, before it ended, and was 5 when obito attacked konoha. How many facts need to be thrown at you before you realize your ONE evidence of grad ages is not a deciding factor?? [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 04:53, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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He did take it from Black Zetsu apparently, becoming a temporary nine tails host, then he sealed it into naruto. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:57, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Ages and facts. ==
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@Skarrj, except the Gedo Mazo IS the Shinju, what's not clear here? What's outside (the tree) is a replica. Kinda like Gaara recreating Shukaku from his sand without unsealing it from within himself in Part I. "Gedo Mazo" is just a nickname given to it by Madara. My body without limbs will still be I, Elveonora. The Shinju without the stripped chakra that are the Tailed Beasts isn't suddenly a different entity.
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And yes, glad you agree on that the Shinju/Gedo Mazo isn't a Tailed Beast. Tailed Beasts are Sage of Six Path's creations, and he made 9 of them... "Ten-Tails" is a tailed beast in name/label only. So to answer the topic, Obito can't be listed as a host to Gedo Mazo, Shinju, Ten-Tails, because all 3 are the very same entity just in different forms with different given nicknames.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:30, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Mind you, there are 36 graduates(ShounenSuki said at least) from the academy each time and ninja registration numbers are what a ninja is given when they pass the academy and become genin, getting their pics taken and reg. number given.
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On the the topic of Obito being Kurama's jinchuuriki, I'm not so sure. After all, it definitely was inside of Black Zetsu and it even tried to separate itself from Obito, trying to bring Kurama to Madara. In my opinion Obito isn't its jinchuuriki, he only has full control over Black Zetsu now, so you could say he is one only "by extension"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:32, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
Mind you ShounenSuki told me this a some time ago.
 
   
Here are the facts
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Um, no, the ten tails was explicitly stated to be the original tailed beast, that not something debatable. The rest about the ten tails I'm on the fence on. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 14:57, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:About the Ten-Tails being the original tailed beast, Obito at the Five Kages' Summit stated that it was "''the origin of the tailed beasts''" in response to Temari's question on wheter it was another tailed beast. So it is not really a tailed beast. It is considered one only because of the numerical tail name, which would put the [[Zero-Tails]] as a tailed beast as well, except it isn't.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 16:41, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::People simply didn't know once upon a time there was a Ten-Tails, that doesn't make it less a tailed beast. Want a simple rationale that says it is a tailed beast? What is the definition of a jinchūriki? Someone who has had a tailed beast sealed in them. From the moment we learned about the existence of the Ten-Tails, we were told that Hagoromo was its jinchūriki, which by extension means the Ten-Tails ''is'' a tailed beast. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:15, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Now Kakashi Graduated the Academy in only one year and was then given his reg. number upon becoming genin.
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== Skill with staff ==
The rest did not graduate in one year.
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from the recent chapter shouldn't we add his skill to use the staff he has to deflect multiple orbs Madara attacked him with[[User:Fanking|Fanking]] ([[User talk:Fanking|talk]]) 21:01, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Asuma and Gai were chunin in chapter 599 when rin shows her plan.
 
Obito was 13 at Kanabi Bridge which took place very very soon after Rins plan was shown.
 
Itachi was 4 in the 3rd war, most likely near the end which the Kanabi bridge incident was near. Itachi was 5 when obito atacked konoha. Kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than Itachi and he was 14 years and 25 days during the nine Tails Attack.
 
   
The evidence here stacks up evenly, making Kakashi 11 when he became a Jonin, making him 2 years and 7 months younger than Obito and Rin.
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== Sage Mode user? ==
   
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After having his power drained from Obito, and Obito subseqeuntly attempting to escape via his own Kamui, he was quickly stopped by two Black Chakra Orbs which he effectively countered with his Chakra Shakujo. HOWEVER... Madara notes that:"It was correct to use Sage Mode. Were you able to suck a little of that power too?". Does this mean Obito also absorbed some of his Senjutsu in the process? [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 05:34, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Madara didn't mean SM, read another translation. He just talked about "Rikudo Mode", i.e. staff, chakra cloak etc.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 06:35, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I'd still like to see what the RAW has to say about this. Because we may finally have a name for the Ten-Tails jinchūriki form. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 06:54, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I thought it was a description for that form as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:15, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Kakashi Hatake
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Take a look at the chapter talk page. ;) [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:45, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
Birthdate September 15
 
Age Part I: 26-27
 
Part II: 29-30
 
Ninja Registration 009720
 
Academy Grad. Age 5
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 6
 
   
Might Gai
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Thanks, what I said still stays the same. Madara basically says "Transforming into the Sage (not SM user, but the Sage of 6 Paths) only once...". Also, Obito could defend himself from the orbs because the staff is made from the same material. Basically absorbing part of Madara's power enebled him to use Yin-Yang release again.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 19:51, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
Birthdate January 1
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:Na, read my translation. ;) [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
Age Part I: 26-27
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::I did, it fits perfectly.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 09:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
Part II: 30
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:::It doesn't fit what you said above, though. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:56, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
Ninja Registration 010252
 
Academy Grad. Age 7
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 11
 
   
Asuma Sarutobi
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@Faust-RSI i have to agree with Seelentau here you did just say it was Rikudo Mode {{unsigned|Funsize33}}
Birthdate October 18
 
Age Part I: 27-28
 
Part II: 31
 
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Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 12
 
   
Kurenai Yuuhi
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Regardless of the translation, I'm against listing Obito as a [[Sage Mode]] user for the same reason that I'm against listing Madara. They stole Hashirama's Sage chakra (though Obito stole Hashi's from Madara) and have no capacity to use Sage Mode on their own. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:26, March 3, 2014 (UTC)
Birthdate June 11
 
Age Part I: 27-28
 
Part II: 31
 
Ninja Registration 010881
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 13
 
   
Rin Nohara
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Hmm so Obito used sage mode for a bit, and madara calls it Senninka?? What does the ka at the end actually mean? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 00:31, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Birthdate November 15
 
Ninja Registration 010885
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 11
 
   
Obito Uchiha
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: "Senninka" means "Sage Transformation". "-ka" (化) means "transformation". Its the same romanji used to describe Jūgo's clan's transformation, which is basically an unstable Sage Mode. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:33, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Birthdate February 10
 
Age Part I: 13 (Kakashi Gaiden)
 
Ninja Registration 010886
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 11
 
   
[[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 05:21, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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So that means Madara and Obito did not use Sage mode since it was imperfect, but instead Sage Transformation... still weird how the hashi face looked just like hashirama in actual sage mode though. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 05:30, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
== I just realized something ==
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: Not quite. See, Seel translated some lines from the manga, specifically Jūgo's that proves that Sage Transformation is just another name for Sage Mode. In essence, Sage Mode is a type of Sage Transformation, while Jūgo's clan is unable to balance the chakras, meaning that their Sage Transformation doesn't equate to Sage Mode. Its weird, but Madara is using ''a'' Sage Mode. Hashirama's Sage Mode, however, not his own. Same for Obito, though I question this, as he didn't gain any of the markings that Madara did. I still think it was refering to the Jinchūriki mode looking like the Sage of Six Paths, but that's just me. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 06:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
Obito taught Nagato all of the 6 paths techniques... that means he knows them and now that he has Rinnegan he can use them all too. So I say we add them all to his jutsu list [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 20:55, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Considering the Ten tails chakra is equivalent to natural energy, its not completely a stretch to say the jinchuuriki form for ten tails is a form of sage mode. So maybe he's referring to that, considering there's no sage mode marks on Obito. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 06:43, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
We don't know if "Madara" taught Nagato anything, but take a look at talkpage discussion regarding Madara's comments about teaching Obito six paths technique, meaning both of them can use all 6--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:52, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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:The fact that there are no Sage Mode markings doesn't mean that Obito didn't absorb a small portion of senjutsu chakra. At least that's what I got from Madara's reaction.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 07:05, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
That is a confusing as to the facts here, as Nagato only was ever shown summoning the gedo and using shinra tensei on a pathetic scale before he became "PAIN" I think after Yahiko's death, he found Tobi again and was willing to learn the rest of the 6 paths techniques all the way. But then again, maybe he was never shown using the techniques then?? But that would not explain Deva Path using shinra tensei to kill Hanzo, which would mean Nagato could of used Bansho tenin and shinra tensei to kill him when they first fought... [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 22:52, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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The basic problem we have is: How could Obito use Senjutsu without the markings and all that stuff? Normally, it shouldn't be possible. The only explanation I can think of is that he didn't get any markings because he didn't absorb pure natural energy, but Senjutsu chakra. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 08:02, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Obito's left part ==
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He used it temporarily to block the orbs that were shot at him right? Maybe Kishi just didn't even bother to draw it, or the tankobon will have it? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 11:09, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
In the paragraph "body modifications" I think it would be fair to add something about the replacement of his left body's part with the Zetsu materia, like shown us recently when he used Kakashi's chidori to stab his chest and it's possible to see like Obito seems to lack of any organs inside.
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Was it ever stated that the Sennin Mode is the inevitable result of absorbing natural energy? Because since the Sennin Mode is a Senjutsu, I'm thinking that a Senjutsu user doesn't need to enter Sennin Mode to use Senjutsu. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:19, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
Very likely also his left arm must have been replaced (and this would be able to explain the loss of the Zetsu materia from his left arm after Minato's rasengan), but we can't have certainty about it. Anyway I think that we can be sure at least about the replacement of the left part of his thorax.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 15:08, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
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So much speculation... no, Sage Transformation isn't "just" another name for Sage Mode until we are told otherwise for a simple reason: Jugo and his clan call their usage of Sage Mode as Sage Transformation yes, but we were never told they use it as a general/broad term for the phenomena '''outside''' of their clan, it's likely it refers only their own specific usage alone, which is different. For all I could care, if dogs were to be called cats somewhere in the world because a specific breed of a dog would resemble a cat, that wouldn't mean all dogs are suddenly to be called cats just because some call one so.
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For Madara, we don't even know if he ever met and heard a Jugo Clan's member use the term "Senninka" Madara hardly knows anything about Sage Mode, he could call it come at me from behind because he doesn't know better. But just for the sake of it Seelentau, did the word "Senninka" Madara used have even the same Kanji as Jugo's?
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And to answer your question (we people here argued about this topic some time ago and I oppose it still) We were never told nor has it been shown that Sage Mode is something that has to be activated rather than being automatic. Quite the contrary in fact, just refer to the magical toad oil which makes your skin suck in natural energy. After an application of it, Naruto automatically entered incomplete Sage Mode, so there's no way to have Senjutsu chakra without being in Sage Mode, because the latter is a result of the former and isn't even a technique that has to be used, it simply is a state/automatic bodily response.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:51, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:I really don't want to discuss this again. I figured the whole topic out, but it's not my job to convince you guys. But yes, Jugo and Madara use the same term. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:59, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::Thanks. And ditto, I still am positive you interpret it wrong :-/ but I'm not a preacher either. I could repeat myself for days to come and it wouldn't change a thing. But the topic shouldn't be dismissed completely, Jugo should be listed as a user of Sage Mode at least, that I agree with.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:30, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
His lack of organs was likely a genjutsu--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:19, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
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== Infobox tabs? ==
   
== Plot Hole ==
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I know this has probably been brought up before, but are they really necessary? Why don't we just use the Obito image and put the Tobi image in the appearance section? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 19:09, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:^This, I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for bringing this one up. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:rockleespinoff|RLS]])</sup> 19:10, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::I agree --{{User:Admiral Sugar/Sig2}} 19:25, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
On This page it states that Obito Uchiha propted the Ame Orpahns to form Akatsuki and controlled Yagura. This was done directly after they were trained by Jiraiya. However the page on Jiraiya states that he hadn't even begun training Minato yet which raises the question.
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For a good chunk of his life he wore a mask, from 14 all the way until 31. So I am kind of torn on this one. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:24, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes, but now that we have seen his face, should we just add the mask on his appearance section? ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 14:09, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::He has a mask as his "Tobi" tab for the same reason a bunch of other characters have tabs for Anime/Manga, Part I/Part II ect. Basically, mask Tobi is more iconic than unmasked Obito (no matter how much you like to think), and the very existence of tabs are to avoid the unnecessary "I want this image! No I want this image!" scenario.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:58, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Plus, the majority of his appearance in the anime/manga was with a mask, so people are more likely to see him as such. Just showcasing him without one will lead to unnecessary spoilers for those who haven't yet reached the current events of the anime / manga. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:01, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
How could have Obito prompted the Orphans to form Akatsuki and controlled Yagura if the thrid great ninja war hadn't even started yet?
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That's kind of a moot point, since his unmasked image is the default photo. Besides, we don't really make decisions with, "Oh we need to avoid unnecessary spoilers" in mind. This wiki's full of spoilers, and it doesn't accommodate people who aren't caught up. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 16:30, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
There are three posibilities:
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:It also does not solely cater to the people who are "caught up". Following your logic, Part I images should be removed from infoboxes since the Part II images are already there and unmasked Kakashi should someday replace masked Kakashi.
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:This is, what, your third proposal relating to Obito's infobox image. Why are you so concerned about it? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:28, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
1: The Ame Orphans and Yagura actually met the real Madara Uchiha. This however is unlikely as all sources state that it was Obito.
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== Mask Color ==
   
2: The Ame Orphans were 7 when Jiraiya first met them. He trained them for three years. Let's assume that Minato is the same age as them. So when Jiraiya returns Minato is 10 just graduated from the academy. Minato becomes a Jounin at say 16. He then leads his own team of Obito (aged 9), Kakashi (aged 5) and Rin. Obito was 13 when Kanami bridge happened. Give him 1 year to recover from getting crushed. That would leave the Ame Orpahns at 21 when Obito went to them. . However this would mean that Obito was 16 when he attacked Konoha. The reason for the timeline being sped up is that rumours quickly spread about the Ame orphans which would imply that Akatsuki was formed quite quickly. However that would mean that Minato became Hokage a 21.
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The latest episode with Obito as Madara during the time when he assisted Itachi in wiping out the Uchiha Clan had his flame-patterned mask as a red-orange. I thought it was always yellow. Was this a different mask, did the color fade over time, or was this a mistake? [[User:Diamonddeath|Diamonddeath]] ([[User talk:Diamonddeath|talk]]) 22:47, April 20, 2014 (UTC)
This is plausible but rather unlikely.
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:I don't recall a yellow mask, but blame it on lighting--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:27, April 21, 2014 (UTC)
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Maybe it was just dulled from being nighttime when he attacked Hidden Leaf with Kurama and fought Minato. At the very least, in Ultimate Ninja Storm 3, Masked Man's mask is more yellow than orange, but that could be chalked up to being a mistake. [[User:Diamonddeath|Diamonddeath]] ([[User talk:Diamonddeath|talk]]) 02:14, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::I recall it was light orange, so perhaps under certain lighting conditions it might appear yellowish--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:34, April 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
3: Obito can use Kamui to travell through time. It is called time space ninjutsu after all. This is the most likely option.
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== heartless ?? ==
   
[[Special:Contributions/121.223.147.231|121.223.147.231]] ([[User talk:121.223.147.231|talk]]) 08:21, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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judging by the talk between Obito and Madara , Obito is actually really heartless .. when the scene with kakashi stabbing him was shown many people thought it was a genjutsu but now that mean he is actually living with no heart!--[[User:Tchad1|Tchad1]] ([[User talk:Tchad1|talk]]) 07:08, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Skrasnic
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:It was destroyed by Kakashi and subsequently restored when Obito became the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki.[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 07:37, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
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::Probably even before. Remember that half of Obito's upper body is a White Zetsu goo, meaning Hashirama's cells. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:29, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You are mistaken. The first time Kakashi stabbed Obito's heart, it '''indeed was''' a genjutsu. Afterwards, Kakashi stabbed his heart for real. The seal was applied onto Obito's old heart. A new heart obviously has grown because Hash regen + all the Shinju stuff.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:44, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
* No, he was dead by then and manga showed Obito meeting them, you know this.
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== Deceased? ==
* Yes and no, the attack on Konoha happened about 5 years after the [[Kannabi Bridge]] incident, so Obito was about 18, the rest is correct. For Minato's Hokage age, I'm not sure now if he became Hokage after the war (this would render his reign to about 1 year) or already during it after victory over the bridge mission. For his actual age, everything fits him being as old as Ame Orphans which are about as old as Inoichi, Chooza and Shikaku were, so he died as circa 26. He either became Hokage at 21 as you say or 25. His conversation with A and B suggest the former though.
 
* nice try
 
* I still don't understand what Yagura has to do with anything? There's no error. Obito controlled Yagura during the war and even possibly still after.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:47, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yeah Obito was 16 if you count chapter 599 when he attacked Konoha. He was 13 when he "died" at Kanabi Bridge. If you go by the Databook Only, then Obito would be 18 at the Kyuubi Attack. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 07:11, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Are we sure that he is actually dead? Madara said that he was "no more", but this could be because Black Zetsu has completely possessed his body. [[User:Patsoumas1995|Patsoumas1995]] ([[User talk:Patsoumas1995|talk]]) 11:56, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tracking/sensing ==
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: I think we should list him as "Presumed Deceased" for now. --[[User:Chrillbill|Chrillbill]] ([[User talk:Chrillbill|talk]]) 12:01, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::He was close to death so many times that I think it would be best to label him as presumably deceased for now--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:17, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Hell at this point I would go with Incapacitated. He's not supposed to die at all until Black Zetsu is removed form him right?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:19, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I guess. I still expect him now that he has both eyes to unlock his "true" power, overwhelm BZ (again) awake his own Rinnegan and pull out a redemption card.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:26, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Gods I hope not. He already redeemed himself when he was having inappropriate relations with Madara's colon and saving Naruto.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:34, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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I also think he should be listed as presumed deceased. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:39, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:Incapacitated or Presumed Deceased, that's what I'd go with.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 13:17, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Wasn't Black Zetsu only keeping Obito alive in the first place so he could retrieve Madara's Rinnegan, which happened last chapter? Thus I don't think he's alive anymore, and Black Zetsu is just using his body as a meat puppet. Also Obito wasn't breathing, his eye was closed too.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:55, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Didn't he say something like "Obito will remain alive as long as I'm bonded with him" earlier? He's certainly out cold right now, I don't think he's actually dead. His redemption will still be milked a bit more. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:09, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::Obito already did his part, he saved and helped power up Naruto. Black Zetsu needed to keep Obito alive long enough for him to retrieve Madara's Rinnegan, which has happened. Then we see this chapter that Black Zetsu says Obito's gone, he isn't breathing and his eye is closed. Pretty clear cut that he's dead.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 00:01, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Ok I'm confused, in the Return of Madara Arc section, it's stated he died when Madara took his eye, and that BZ took over his corpse, yet his status is "Incapacitated"? I can't change his status since someone has prevented it from getting edited. --[[User:Chrillbill|Chrillbill]] ([[User talk:Chrillbill|talk]]) 05:01, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::He's pretty clearly not dead. Kishi wouldn't off-screen a death of a major character and it was also stated that as long as Black Zetsu is attached, he's alive. Also, if Black Zetsu could control a corpse of Obito, he wouldn't have kept him alive for so long. It's clear that he needs him living, with chakra still circulating to use his powers. [[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) Kenny U
   
since this site doesn't speculate or assume should we get rid of the spot that says he can locate people? for all we know Zetsu is the one that is locating people for him. [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 02:09, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
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He clearly is dead, Zetsu speaks of him in the past tense. Zetsu '''was''' keeping Obito alive for as long as his body would hold out. Essentially, he was maximising the potential but potential reaches an end point at some point or other, and it has. [[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]]) 17:03, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
:It's not speculation, he was able to follow the 4th Hokage when the 4th teleported away from him. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 02:15, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::We don't know how he does it though. When he intercepted Taka when they were on their way to Konoha, he said he had ways to find them, but didn't elaborate upon it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:23, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::The Suit Clone was stated by Zetsu that it was basically his clone and that it and he could communicate telepathically. [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 02:27, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
p.s his ways could be zetsu [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 02:33, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
:And Zetsu telepathy only works when they're near one another, and as far as we know, there was no Zetsu with Taka for them to talk. Maybe they had spores, but they grow when activated, and for the telepathy to kick in, another Zetsu would need to be close by. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:01, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Kind of an assumption, but aren't Zetsus sensors? He is half-one--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:15, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::The "method" was sort of proven already to not have been Tobi, but Zetsu. Remember the Zetsu spores on Sasuke prior? Orochimaru commented that Tobi had them place so they can observe and help Sasuke if need be. I too vote that we remove the part about him finding people anywhere in the world. I mean, he found Minato because he possibly knows the sensing technique. That's not as farfetched as finding anyone in the world, no matter their location. Doesn't make sense, he never said he could do that, and we know how Tobi tracked Sasuke. That particular section, about Tobi's "tracking skills" should be removed. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 11:00, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
Black zetsu was able to sense naruto and bee from a long distance when they got off the island turtle. Black zetsu probably sensed team taka. and as far as the fight against the 4th hokage it was stated that their were zetsu all over the place. [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 14:14, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
So no arguments I'll go ahead and change it? :) [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 20:06, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
   
== Rinnegan techniques ==
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:: You are kidding yourself if you seriously think Kishi would seriously kill a major character off-screen without so much as a flashback. You're as bad as those people who honestly thought Bee was dead.--[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 23:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Obito clearly has them, but as stated in 576 he didn't use them due to the drain on his reserves. Taking into account that he has access and CAN use the jutsu, I say they should be added to him. Orochimaru's Mokuton set a precedent that where we know a character is capable of something, even if it hasn't been shown, certain things should be credited to his profile. This is one of those things imo.--[[Special:Contributions/77.102.73.252|77.102.73.252]] ([[User talk:77.102.73.252|talk]]) 23:25, June 26, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
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::::The correct status to put on the wikia is incapacitated because we have no confirmation about his death. But obviously Obito is still alive, Kishimoto would not ever kill a main character off panel, especially not a tragic one as Obito needing of a closure for his life: the accomplishment of his "mission" to save the world and pathos scenes of reconciliation, where the main heroes will end to consider him again a full comrade. More, Madara has just admitted him to be the responsible for the tragedies of his life and the death of his most loved person: there is a classic clichè in the fictions when the bad guy reveal manipulations/wrongdoings toward a main good guy because arrogantly sure to have already won, in the end the victim get his payback becoming responsible for the persecutor's fall. Without cut anything to the future performances of Naruto and Sasuke able to save the world, we can expect that Obito will get just a parallel role to them--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 17:35, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
:We've added the ones we saw he could use, and the ones he mentioned he could use. Kekkei genkai isn't the same as a kekkei genkai technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:24, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
::"come Obito, I'm gonna teach you six paths technique" he said SIX, not 5 paths, 4 paths, 3 paths, 2 paths or 1 path technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:25, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Whoops I cited the wrong chapter. It's 567 I meant. In that chapter Gai says Obito isn't using Rinnegan techniques because they have counters for them, to which Kakashi also adds by mentioning the burden of controlling the bijū. i.e. Obito DOES have access to all of the related Six Paths techniques, he just didn't use them then because he they would be countered and a waste of chakra. Chapter 636 also adds to this as Obito is about to the use the Rinne Tensei.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:24, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Given that he wasn't affected by Infinte Tsukuyomi, I think Obito should be considered dead, since it affected even those who were sleeping. I see no reason to consider that he can be alive in some way. [[User talk:Guilherme Abe|Abe]] 18:18,5/25/2014
:Maybe the main "(name) Path" ones, but certainly not the specific ones derived from them. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:43, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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: And I'm making a decision to end this pointless argument. Zetsu stated that as long as he remains bonded to Obito, he remains alive. So "Incapacitated" is the appropriate designation as far as the information we have goes. When we're told he's dead or when Black Zetsu leaves him and we see him die, we'll list him as dead. Keep in mind that Might Guy was supposed to die, for all intents and purposes, when the Eight Gates expired, and Kishi "plotted" him to remain alive, so the same can still happen to Obito. That is all. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:33, May 25, 2014 (UTC)
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So, someone decided to claim him dead :D I see the Kirabi case didn't teach you anything, guys. Obito won't die until he has proper resolve, it's obvious from the story point of view. Don't claim anything until stated. BZ never stated Obito would IMMEDIATELY die the moment he separates from him.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 08:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
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: Black Zetsu said he was the only thing keeping Obito alive, so to me at least everything points to him being dead, and I think we should list him as "Deceased" for now, and if for some reason he would wake up and be fine later (which would make no sense) then we change it back. --[[User:Chrillbill|Chrillbill]] ([[User talk:Chrillbill|talk]]) 08:41, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
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I doubt he is dead yet. He didn't even get his flashbacks. --[[User:Costeavladalexandru|Costeavladalexandru]] ([[User talk:Costeavladalexandru|talk]]) 09:49, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
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: @Costeavladalexandru Oh, we've seen more than enough flashbacks of young Obito, Rin and Kakashi. We've already seen what needs to be seen from Obito's past. --[[User:Chrillbill|Chrillbill]] ([[User talk:Chrillbill|talk]]) 09:59, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
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Black Zetsu did say that, but I find it rather unlikely that Obito is either dead, or will remain so for a long time. There was way too much talk about eyes working better as pair for both his Sharingan not being used for something greater. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 11:36, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Obito's delusion? ==
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It should be presumed deceased for now, people who think Kishi would actually kill off a major character without closure don't know a thing about this manga. Also, there's a reason he wields both his eyes now.--[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 11:49, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
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: Obviously he's dead now. He took a kunai to the hand without regaining consciousness. He wasn't affected by Infinite Tsukuyomi. Black Zetsu explicitly called him dead. He's deceased.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:14, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::No he didn't, Black Zetsu said he was "no more" which could mean a lot of things. Look, he obviously has a role to fill in the narrative since he is one of only 5 people in the world in the vicinity of Kaguya. Until we get real confirmation, don't infer anything ok? We've been over this time and time again, and the exact same argument was made after 656 when Obito used Rinne Tensei. It's better to just wait. --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 23:21, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::: In this case, I'd have to agree. Black Zetsu did say those things, but Kishi is painstakingly attempting to keep Obito in the story. If he was dead, there would've been no reason for Kakashi to "save" him from falling into a river of magma, nor to continue calling out to him in the chapter prior. Kishi still has plans for Obito that may or may not involve death. We should simply put Incapacitated and wait for clarity. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:28, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:: ...then why wasn't he affected by Mugen Tsukuyomi? Why didn't getting a KUNAI JAMMED IN HIS HAND wake him out? Why didn't the heat of the volcano wake him up? Seriously, everything points to Obito being dead.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:18, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::# Because you need to have your eyes opened for that. He was unconscious.
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:::# Because he was knocked out cold. Have you ever been knocked unconscious? I have. Twice. You don't wake up until your body tells you to wake up. If he's in a comma, which is worse, even getting the lava ''on him'' wouldn't have woken him up.
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::: In conclusion, you don't know what you're talking about. At all. We don't know that he's dead, so we're not saying so. Capish? Good. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:51, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: ...even unconscious and sleeping people were affected by Mugen Tsukuyomi though. Yamato who was still unconscious inside Spiral Zetsu was taken in. Sleeping people were still taken in. The light from Mugen Tsukuyomi penetrated everything living except for Sasuke's Susano'o which provided a defense. If Obito was alive, he'd have been affected to like everyone else around the world.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 23:50, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: The argument on why he is alive is mainly one based on logic and an understanding on how Kishi writes his story. Kishi did not contrive a way to bring Obito to the final fight only for him to just be a corpse and serve no purpose. He did not have both Naruto and Kakashi show concern for his overall safety and save him if they knew he was dead (Naruto especially would react differently to a corpse than he would a living person). Furthermore there is a gap of time between Madara revealing his involvement in Rin's death and him and Obito returning from the Kamui dimension that is still unaccounted for. Anything could have happened during that time, including Madara putting Obito in a deep genjutsu (the last panels of them in the Kamui dimension feature Madara using the sharingan in a similar way Obito did to Kakashi when he genjutsu'd him) which would have made him avoid the Mugen Tsukuyomi. I bet you assumed he was dead after 636 when Madara tried to force him to use Rinne Tensei, or in 656 when he actually used Rinne Tensei, or even during many times after that. In situations like this it is best to wait for actual confirmation from the manga and not make assumptions like many have done in the past, please try to understand this time. --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 22:47, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
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Guess now we can finally put this discussion to rest right? Next time, can everyone not jump to conclusions? It's best if we wait for official confirmation rather than vague statements from Black Zetsu.--[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 13:32, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
There was a recent exchange between Obito and Kakashi where he mentioned that he doesn't view Kakashi and the "original" Rin as being the "true" Rin and Kakashi, and how the Rin and Kakashi he'll "create" in his new world will be the "real" ones. I really loved that part because it cemented how far gone his character really is and it doesn't make him seem like some random guy simply bent on revenge as he himself admits that he has moved on beyond how he felt about Rin's death and how it impacted him. In that sense, it's a sign how of far his insanity has taken a toll on him or how greatly deluded his views have truly become. But yeah just thought I'd mention that since I think it'd be an interesting addition to his Personality section (specifically the delusion of viewing Kakashi and Rin as imitations to the "real" Kakashi and Rin that he's planning to create). --[[User:DementedP|DementedP]] ([[User talk:DementedP|talk]]) 19:57, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== kirigakure ==
   
== Obito's motivation ==
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how was obito uchiha affiliated with kirigakure??? ([[User:Sharoze001|Sharoze001]] ([[User talk:Sharoze001|talk]]) 22:03, May 14, 2014 (UTC))
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:He controlled Kirigakure via Yagura for an undisclosed amount of time. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:09, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Obito motivations are being described here as too Rin-Centric when the author (Kishi) clearly established that it is about more than that. His goal isn't just to create world where Rin is alive with him because he could have just been focusing on reviving her alone, his goal is to create a reality where people like her don't need to senselessly die. A world where "heroes don't have to make pitiful excuses in front of graves"(Obito, chapter 597).
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== Both eyes? ==
   
He said it himself here:
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Did he gets his right eye back? It's hard to tell if that's Black Zetsu's eye or his own. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 22:31, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
"The ones who put this hierarchy into place... the villages... the shinobi.... The realization of what that ideology leads to is what shattered my hopes and dreams... That this world... is nothing but bull ****" (Obito, chapter 629)
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:BZ does if you want to get technical--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:50, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
He also specifically said that if Kakashi thinks it's just about Rin, he's wrong.
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== Obito Falling ==
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OBito's body did not fall to the ground only as stated here " Obito died as a result as his body fell to the ground, much to the chagrin of a solemn Kakashi." He actually teleported with the others. You can see ned to the waterfall (lava fall lol?) behind Kaguya. {{unsigned|Rex-05|08:38, June 4, 2014 (UTC)}}
   
The progression of his character and why he hates the ninja system is actually fairly straightforward. Doubts first came in Gaiden when he heard about how the White-Fang was treated as a failure and when Kakashi was ready to abandon his own comrade over his mission.
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This is true, Obito is seen falling along side the others, and I highly doubt it's for him to just plop into a vat of lava. --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 11:53, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
Then after he was crushed and disfigured by a rock fighting in the war, Madara pointed out something to him that clearly affected him.
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== New infobox pic ==
   
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I don't really like that his current one is so close-up, so what you say about [[:File:Obito Uchiha new.png | this]]? --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:02, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:That's a lot better... the current one is too zoomed in on his face. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 15:48, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I agree with you on that. I'll just change it, can always be reverted if someone thinks otherwise --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 15:51, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::And to finish, one person chiming in is not enough. I am neutral on changing the image. Give other people a chance to voice their opinion and then have at it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:03, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: That is why I said it could always be reverted later. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 18:05, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The current one is better in my opinion.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::I prefer the previous one. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 22:11, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::: Why if I may ask Norleon? :) --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 23:17, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Notice Obito's reaction on that bottom panel. Clearly, on some levels he realizes Madara is correct and that there is clearly something wrong with a world that would do this to him.
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The proposed one is terrible in overall image quality. EDIT: If the photo must be changed to something less close up, however, I can start finding more options for you guys to choose from, starting with [[:File:Obito proposal.png | this]]. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 06:36, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because I prefer close-up images for infoboxes, maybe with a bit of the shoulder area shown at best. Also, with the previous one, we have a perspective that shows his face in a frontal view while in the new one, he looks a bit sidewards.
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:The second proposal is even less an option in my opinion, Obito looks too stereotypical evil on it. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 11:18, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::There was a pic someone put on the infobox recently, think it was from Chrillbill (excuse spelling typos in that :P) that looked decent. Can't remember when it was, but it was fairly recently... --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 12:15, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You mean [http://imgur.com/QlZaJxg this one]? --[[User:Chrillbill|Chrillbill]] ([[User talk:Chrillbill|talk]]) 12:54, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: The one from Chrillbill, is better than the one from Mandon, from my point of view at least. But still prefer the one I uploaded, even though it is a bit sideways. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 13:41, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
The final straw was when he saw Kakashi murder Rin presumably over some mission the ninja world put out. That is when he finally realized that Madara was correct and that the world was broken and needed fixing.
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How about [[:File:Obito Uchiha2.png | this]] one then? It's further away than the current, bit still closer than my [[:File:Obito Uchiha new.png |previous]] suggestion. It has a better angle than [[:File:Obito proposal.png | the one]] from Mandon. And it is a bit like [http://imgur.com/QlZaJxg the one] from Chrillbill, except both his arms are down who he doesn't look so big. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:35, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yeah, that one looks pretty good Kasan. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:53, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Considering this, wouldn't it be fair to edit the article to actually reflect Obito's true character motivations. I think this segment that states:
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:: Great, think I'll wait to change it this time though, until more responds. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 21:56, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::{{Support}} Yeah, your last uploaded image is the best for Obito. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:47, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
"Only Obito's love for Rin remained, his desire to create a world where she would exist together with him happily becoming the motivation for his actions."
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Changed the infobox pic for now. It's a fuller view on the character that is a more accurate depiction of his design as it shows his colors as well. However I think the pic I uploaded may have been a tad too small. If you're more experienced with uploading HD profile pics, you could pull the same frame on episode 372 (at 7:29) and re-upload it better. --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 14:38, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:And reverted, because you have no consensus. I'm also going to say this to all people: '''stop changing Obito's infobox image every single god-damn week, pick ONE and keep it that way.''' The constant need of changing it every single time a new episode is released is now getting ridiculous and disruptive. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:11, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::Oh dang, my bad. Sorry about all that. In that case, can we vote on changing it? In my opinion, the current one looks kinda... off. It could just be me, and if that's the case we should keep it, but my current proposal is that we change it to a more appropriately sized version of the one I foolishly tried to push forward without a consensus. --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 15:29, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Should be replaced with "Only his desire to change the world remained. His quest to create a reality where the tragedy he and those close to him have suffered would not be possible became the motivation for his actions."
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== Abilities he didn't use? ==
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Wait, Obito didn't use most of the paths, right? Did he use the absorption soul technique? He didn't use the asura path or any of the path techniques other than the [[Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique]] right?Maybe the summoning of the gedo mazo counts as the animal paths, but this wiki is noting techniques he didn't use or claim to be able to use.--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 18:33, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:Those who possess the Rinnegan can use the [[Six Paths Technique]]. Anyway, Obito stated that he could use the Human Path on Yamato, plus he used at least the Outer Path to control the six reincarnated jinchūriki and to resurrect Madara.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 18:52, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::Madara taught him '''Six''' Paths Technique, not Two Paths Technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:06, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think that would be a fair assessment of things considering a lot of things he has been saying in recent chapters.
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== So far we can't say if Obito was alive or dead. ==
   
PS: This is more of a grammatical thing but at this part in the article:
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The page state with certainty that Obito died after his last conversation with Madara/falling without Black Zetsu inside him, but actually it's pretty possible that he remained only uncoscious after that his body was controlled by the villains. The words of Black Zetsu depicting his status weren't never been able to give a clear answer (indeed the wikia mentioned him presumed deceased), just as the actions of Kakashi protecting Obito's body from the falling into the lava made think more to the Uchiha being still alive than to Kakashi preserving him for the later intervention of Naruto (when the copyninja hasn't still realized the powers of the boy just as everyone). In addition this chapter gives no evidence if Naruto is healing or reviving him. So I want just say that would be better to talk just about Naruto treating Obito (with the Uchiha giving evidence to be still alive), for postponing a clear statement about an heal or a revive only after to have got more info from the next chapters.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 13:24, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
"However, Obito laughed as he clarifies he did not start this war for them while using his genjutsu "
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It's very clear that he's alive. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 20:40, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Can you replace "them" with Rin or Kakashi, because it isn't very clear within the paragraph where this sentence is.
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:Indeed. Based on the panel with Naruto touching him, he makes a sound. He appears to just be incredibly weak. But Naruto also puts his hand on Obito, and we know what that did to Gai. So maybe Naruto did something. Regardless, he (Obito) is quite alive. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 20:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thank you for your time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuoKNZjr8_U Yay! Now we may finally get his second or third (at this point) redemption story.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 23:42, July 5, 2013 (UTC) Kenny
 
   
Obito did not want to listin to madara at first but he only did so after seeing Rin's death and that is because he was ok with how the world was since Rin was in it, but after she died he accepted Madara's plan right away and not to mention the uchiha's curse that Tobirama talked about after being reincarneited. so in my opinion rin's death IS a huge part of his motivation so i dont think its wrong to describe obito's motivations as too Rin-Centric. but really that's just my opinion.--[[User:Charmanking2198|Charmanking2198]] ([[User talk:Charmanking2198|talk]]) 00:20, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:Obito has never got his redemption, for it he has to do something active for the save of the world as he wished in the past: returning to his old himself or an eventual mass resurrection were already stated not being things able to accomplish it. Obito rescuing the life of Naruto was the only element that could be seen as a real "world saving", but Obito's promise made to Rin, the foreshadowing of the potential of the two eyes, the last conversation with Madara and the likely parallel of Obito and Madara with Hagoromo and Hamura fighting for saving the world from the Juubi, presuppose a future development involving more actively Obito (and Madara too). More, the importance of Obito's future partecipation to the events has to be seen also under a more general point of view: Hagoromo's philosophy is that the peace is possible only through the collaboration and now very likely we will see people tied by conflictual relationships during all their lifetime (Naruto, Sasuke, Obito, Kakashi, Minato, Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, in general Uchiha/Indra successors and Senjuu/Ashura successors) doing it through their common efforts against Kaguya, in the process demonstrating so that a mutual understanding is possible.
   
Her death brought him Mangekyou, so he clearly was affected on personal level. It's true her death served as a trigger which opened his eyes on the system they live in though. She was on his mind even in the latest chapter. But well, perhaps we should make it less "rin-centered" since she was as much of a reason for Obito's plans as death of Izuna was to Madara's--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:48, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:But by the way all this has nothing to do with my post, I wanted just to put in evidence that it's not clear if Naruto is healing or reviving Obito (and consequently if Obito was or less dead before).--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 10:25, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Stronger than Hashirama? True & False or Speculation and Theory ==
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==English Voice Actor==
It has been stated by Hashirama, but not yet proven physically who is stronger, its just an assumption that doesn't sound right. [[User:Skitzo1|Skitzo1]] ([[User talk:Skitzo1|talk]]) 06:59, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
: Its an "assumption" by Hashirama himself, that was agreed upon by Tobirama and Hiruzen, who are credible sources. Furthermore, the fact that he was able to not only overtake, but rip ''completely'' apart Hashirama ''and'' Tobirama, before either one of them could react, lends credit to this statement. We don't put what "seems right" or not into the articles. Hashirama made a statement which was confirmed by two other characters, and then, to some extent, proven by Obito's attack in the next page; hence, the information was added as presented. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 07:16, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Well, I think that is very clear that Obito is stronger than Hashirama. Come on guys, Obito is the jinchuriki of the [[Ten-Tails]], the strongest beast of the shinobi world. And in the chapter appears that Obito can control it in a excellent way. Hashirama is a genius, but the strength of the transformed Obito is far from him. Obviously, until see more of Obito's skills we can't affirm anything, but the level is higher compared with the Hokages. That is my opinion [[User:Leo Hatake|<span style="color:Orange; font-size:18px;">Leo</span>]][[User Talk:Leo Hatake|<span style="color:Green; font-size:18px">Hatake</span>]] 07:41, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Obito beat a clone? pretty sure it turned to wood after the hit? As obvious as it is, unless he beats Hashirama in a flat out battle, we could never know. Even if more characters agreed who was stronger, we still can never be sure, how many characters in Naruto and other Anime have overcome foes more powerful than them? Well.. If we take into account everything Hashirama has stated about himself, apparently Itachi was a better shinobi than Hashirama, Hashirama said so, so its true right? Not really, Itachi didn't possess the title "God of Shinobi".[[User:Skitzo1|Skitzo1]] ([[User talk:Skitzo1|talk]]) 14:22, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Are you aware that such statements are used by authors to tell the reader how strong a character is? You can think of it as if Kishimoto told us that Obito's now stronger than Hashirama. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:24, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Wait one moment... he said Itachi was a better Shinobi than him, he said Obito was stronger than him now. Is that even one in the same?? I am slightly confused here... we need the most accurate translation on the Itachi statement, because if that is true then Itachi is a damn god. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:29, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Where's the source that it's Vic Mignogna voicing him in Revolution? From what I've been told, he and Shisui aren't in the credits, and it sounds nothing like Vic in the game.
:People missing context as always, there's no problem with a translation but its interpretation. He wasn't talking about Itachi's strength, but what he had to endure and what he did made him a better Shinobi than Hashirama is. The talk was about his action and his sacrifice for the village and his brother, not power--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:28, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
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::Just associate what was said to whom it was said by and call it a day. "Hashirama has credits Obito's power upon becoming a host to be greater than his own, and assertion agreed on by Tobirama and Hiruzen" or something like that. What's so complex? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:53, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
@ItachiWasAHero, don't be so self-centric please. I used plural, I wasn't referring to your person alone. You react too emotionally over nothing. And I don't remember having any business with your behind, in case you are talking about the deletion of the forum-like speculative topic with no possible conclusion on Nagato's talkpage, things like that do not belong here. And no, my hormone levels are normal, thanks for asking.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:24, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
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I agree, the voice actor sounds nothing like Vic. It sounds more like Todd Haberkorn.
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[[User:MoonKingGuy|MoonKingGuy]] ([[User talk:MoonKingGuy|talk]]) 02:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Attacking with his bare hands? ==
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Yeah, there is a distinct "Death the Kid" vibe I'm getting from that voice. ([[User:TenshoDama96|TenshoDama96]] ([[User talk:TenshoDama96|talk]]) 02:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC))
On the page it mentions obito attack Hashirama and Tobirama with his hand but [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Obito_overwhelms_Hashirama_and_Tobirama.png this image] shows that he is using something. I'm not sure what it is but he obviously didn't destroy them with his bare hands. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 13:45, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:You mean those black circles around his bare hands, right? I've noticed them as well, I'm not sure if this is a new justu after he acquired the Ten-Tails chakra or not. Let's wait for the next chapters then... —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:54, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Agree, let's what until we get a better look at that before mentioning it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:53, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::we should still remove the bare hands part, as its false information. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 00:10, July 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Where did the colored image of him attack hashi and tobirama come from?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:13, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Is that all you're going on is the fact that he sounds like Todd? That's not an official confirmation.. as likely as it might be. EDIT -- Nevermind he confirmed it on his twitter. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 09:05, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Shape-shifting ==
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== Shukaku and Gyuuki ==
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Why Obito is listed as their Jinchuuriki? As far as I am remember Naruto was considered their Jinchuuriki because they were a Chakra with a conscious inside of him--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 17:57, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because it was him who gave Shukaku and Gyūki to Naruto?--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 18:02, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::They were just Chakra with no conscious. In Minato's case, we only considered him a Jinchuuriki when Yin-Kurama manifested itself inside of him. I don't think this happened with Obito.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 18:19, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::No no it didn't. I can't argue for nor can I argue against. So if you wish to remove it, I say you are free to do so until someone comes flying in screaming.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::: Pro-tip: These are the same pieces of chakra inside Naruto, who can talk and make chakra of their own. He may have had them briefly, but he did, in fact, have them. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:27, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::::: Isn't Obito case the same as Kinkaku and Ginkaku, they also had Kurama's chakra but with no conscious.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 18:37, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::To explain further, the One and Eight-Tails didnt show any consciousness until they started speaking inside Naruto.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:40, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::True, but if they were incapable of consciousness in Obito they couldn't just 'gain' consciousness in Naruto. Nobody and nothing has stated or even discretely implied that Naruto being Naruto is what allowed them to gain consciousness. Maybe they just didn't feel like talking to Obito because... I dunno, the same reason they don't talk to Naruto unless he needs them. At the end of the day, we could always list him as a pseudo-jinchūriki if you ''really'' want to. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 18:52, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Soo...out of Obito's various new capabilities, one not much discussed yet is how he extended his body in a very Orochimaru-like way. When he attacks Gamakichi from underground, does his lower body have a very wood/root-like appearence like Wood Release or is it just me? Either way any opinions are welcomed. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 19:24, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
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"Seeing this topic, I shake my head in awe and then quietly depart from the premises" I still disagree that Naruto is a jinchuuriki of 1-8 Tailed Beasts--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:Why? I mean, what would you classify as a jinchūriki? He can use their chakra, they have full sentience and their shared presence within him culminates in the Six Paths Sage technique. I don't see how he is anything '''but''' their jinchūriki. They exist separately, can help him separately, and have individual sentience, so he is the jinchūriki of all of them. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:11, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::Because they are still inside Kaguya. Also Shadow Clones are conscious too and you don't consider them a separate entity.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:19, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::: Okay, no. Not again. This has already been resolved, despite Elve's continued persistence. Back on topic or let it drop. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:20, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Middle finger in the face =/= resolved. But if that's the language used here, so be it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:22, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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Obito just took the Chakra of Shukaku and Gyuuki and passed them to Naruto, although he had them for minutes the Chakra didn't show any sentience, while they showed it inside Naruto. We don't know why only inside Naruto they showed consciousnesses, it maybe something Hagoromo did but we don't know. In Narutopedia, what define a Jinchuuriki is that he must have a Tailed Beast Chakra and that Chakra must have the appearance and must have a consciousnesses, and a pseudo-jinchuuriki is someone who have a Tailed Beast Chakra only and must be able to use in a way (like Kinkaku and Ginkaku). Obito didn't show these characteristic with Shukaku's and Gyuuki's Chakra at all.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 23:59, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The definitions were twisted to no end just to suit some fanon theories of certain editors around here about Tailed Beast cloning and "no thing such as the true Tailed Beast" and other nonsense. A jinchuuriki is someone who has a Tailed Beast sealed inside of him/her, while a pseudo-jinchuuriki is someone who has Tailed Beast chakra, but not Tailed Beast itself. But herp derp, the said editors came up with "omg consciousness, shit, means Naruto's jinchuuriki of all, there's 18 Tailed Beasts now, omg" just because they spoke. And when i bring a valid point, I get ignored and told to **** off just because I'm a thorn in the ego of said people who came up with the nonsense but refuse to admit their own fallacy. These are the facts:
   
: [[Soft Physique Modification]] anybody? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:05, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
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* The Tailed Beasts save Yin Kurama are still inside of Kaguya, therefore they can't be inside of Naruto, check
::Maybe...i actually forgot that...[[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:09, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
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* Shadow Clones, chakra Minato and Kushina, Orochimaru, Hagoromo and so confirm that pieces of chakra can be conscious
:::Perhaps. His sudden expansion reminded me of Jokey Boy. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:24, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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* That doesn't mean a piece of conscious chakra is the real character
::::We already saw that the Jūbi can expand, drop parts of his body an regenerate them, and lot of other things, it is normal that his Jinchūriki is able to use the same skills. So it as nothing to do with Soft Phsysique Modification, that was something developed by Orochimaru, unless Orochimaru had contact with the Jūbi or Obito, which does not seems had happened. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 00:34, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::: Orochimaru did not create Soft Physique Modification. It is a basic ninjutsu invented for spying purposes. It perfectly fits what the description of SPM is. How does the Jūbi being able to divide its body have anything with his ability to stretch and expand his own body. That's exactly what SPM does. Obito obviously did it to counter the fact that his body expanded and rendered him unable to move normally because he wasn't used to the Ten-Tails, a fact stated by Minato himself. It is in noway implied to be a new Jinchūriki skill. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:49, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::You are assuming that, but Obito couldn't do it before becoming Jūbi's Jinchūriki, so doesn't fit as a STM. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 03:11, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::: No. That's what Minato said. He couldn't move because he wasn't used tot he Jūbi. But, thanks to SPM, he was able to manipulate his body. Go back and read the chapter and then read the technique. Secondly, just because someone has not used something before, doesn't mean they couldn't. He used it as a solution to a problem he had. Not everything he does in that Mode is a Tailed Beast Skill anymore than Naruto doing a Shadow Clone in KCM is a Tailed Beast Skill. They're not. They're two normal techniques. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:14, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::::You really need to read it again, you are the only person supporting this so far, it as nothing to do with SPM, wait for more explanations before adding that assumption. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 03:18, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::::: Really? I count two other people that seem to agree with me. Its not speculation. It is the ''exact'' description of SPM. Something you don't seem to be able to see. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:19, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Color Pictures? ==
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The 8 "Tailed Beasts" inside of Naruto are no different than Minato and Kushina and their will perish once their chakras are spent up.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:45, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:You get told to **** off because you will sit back and twist as hard as you can muster talking Nine-Tails in Minato means he's a jinchuriki but damned if talking One, Four, Five, and Nine in Naruto means he's a jinchuriki. Until such a time your theory is proven correct and the tailed beasts do in fact vanish completely when their chakra is spent, do everyone a favor, yourself included, and shut it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:51, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:@MERCURIOUS: Yes, those traits weren't seen in Obito at all. Nor where they in Naruto until he met the Sage. Lovely food for thought I am sure.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:53, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::How about you do me a favor and remove speculation until proven that they are real?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:13, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:@TheUltimate3: So, what about removing Shukaku and Gyuuki from his infobox?--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 15:42, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Are we using color versions of the manga now? I'm just asking because Obito's page is full of color versions of the manga. I mean, they pose not difference as to black and white, just a question. [[User:Zelwolf|Zelwolf]] ([[User talk:Zelwolf|talk]]) 02:05, July 18, 2013 (UTC)Zelwolf
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== Presumed Deceased? ==
:Chapter was released in full colour in commemoration of any anniversary of something. Check this week's chapter talk page for more details. Short version: those are official colour pages. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:08, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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In chapter 686, apparently he dies by sacrificing himself. Shall we classify him as Presumed Deceased for now? --[[User:TheTobi|TheTobi]] ([[User talk:TheTobi|talk]]) 12:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Ahh, okay. The chapter I read didn't have the color version. Thanks! [[User:Zelwolf|Zelwolf]] ([[User talk:Zelwolf|talk]]) 02:11, July 18, 2013 (UTC)Zelwolf
 
   
== Chapter 640 ==
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:In a week it'll be "Deceased", so how about we just wait?--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 12:33, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
"it was revealed that Obito had intended to use it to destroy the unruly right side of his body" WTF is that? No translation I've read implied anything even remotely similar to this statement. Where does it come from? Obito just couldn't control his aim because his mind was fighting with Juubi's mind, that's all to what's happened.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 09:29, July 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:You're right about waiting. For all we know, Naruto is going save Obito's life again.[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 8:39, July 23, 2014
:As nobody is interested with this ridiculous statement left in the article, I've fixet it myself, according with the VIZ translation (Minato: "His attack missed! It looks like Obito's consciousness is merely clinging to Ten tails' great power... He barely has any control over it!").[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 08:38, July 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Unnamed Parents? ==
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== Latest chapter note ==
   
Could we add unnamed parents to his page? chapter 603 page 9 --[[User:Tyler Perry|Tyler Perry]] ([[User talk:Tyler Perry|talk]]) 14:20, July 28, 2013 (UTC)Tyler Perry
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I noticed in this weeks chapter Obito gave both his eyes to Kakashi, and seemed fully aware of what this would do (give Kakashi his powers and a Susanoo). I think it's worth noting in his dojutsu area that while he never used it on-screen, his eyes were capable of a Susaoo.
:We know about them, there's just nowhere to mention them appropriately.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:39, July 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Isn't that just [[Genzō]], if i'm looking at the right pic. And I do know this has been last answered for around a month ago :P --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 08:26, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Intelligence ==
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The logical reason I can give for him not using it on screen was that we know he was dying from his messed up life force, and using the Susanoo would have been less viable than his Kamui.
Ok...a large part of what defines Obito's intelligence was erased...for what reason, i do not understand. Most of the stuff that was erased related to the things he knew about the Sage of the Six Paths and the things he knew about Konoha. Now truth be told the Guy part was silly, but the reasons don't make sense. Obito displayed extensive knowledge of the Leaf Village and the things about the Sage. The source or way he learned it should not matter. By that standard we shouldn't even have these sections since...hell everyone learns by either reading, someone else teaching/saying or by viewing it, etc, etc so we can't start nitpicking that. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 00:45, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
: Intelligence and knowledge are two very different things, and you don't seem to be able to distinguish between the two. Intelligence is putting knowledge to use; putting a battle strategy into action, figuring out a great mystery through wit alone, pulling the wool over an equally intelligent person's eyes. Frankly, it is irrelevant that he knows anything. That just proves he has a brain and it functions as it should. We have these sections to display how smart people do smart things. Look at Shikamaru for example. We don't spend three paragraphs trying to explain to the readers that he know Nara Clan techniques, or knows how to throw a kunai. That's stupid. We show that he is intelligent by mentioning that he is an expert tactician. Also, on a side note, I believe Snapper2 asked you to stop editing Obito and Madara's pages 15 times a day, because problems like this tend to arise. Your devotion to them is admirable, but we can't be adding little nitpicky stuff, like this, to the article, when its already mentioned in the Plot section or elsewhere. Not to mention its not even appropriate in the section you placed it in. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:51, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Ok your ideas are as twisted as anything i've ever heared...how could he have pulled half the stuff he did without that knowledge? Intelligence is knowing how to apply knowledge...to do that, you need to know stuff...how you learned it is not important...what's important is if the information is true and how you use it. It isn't nitpicking stuff (the Guy phrase was silly and not of my authory, hell most of that part wasn't) but how he could identify a lot of jutsu and a lot of stuff about the village...hell redo that section, shortnend that but do not remove it. Also do not comment on what i edit or do not edit...'''that is what's not appropriate to mention on this section'''. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:06, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
: Regardless, we're not in the business of recording everyone's knowledge in the intelligence section. Just how to apply the knowledge, which is intelligence. Most of what you entered in your massive paragraph was unneeded speculation and irrelevant to his intelligence. It serves us no purpose to understand what a character knows, only how they apply it. That is what intelligence sections are for. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:12, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Hum did the part where i said that part was not written by me missed you by any chance...plus what was there '''was applied by him''...hence why i said '''redo it ''', don't erase it. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:15, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::The reason all of it was removed was because none of it was redeemable. I'm not in the business of removing information beneficial to characters...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:27, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I don't see a separate section for "Knowledge", so I don't see why we can't include that portion of his mental prowess in the intelligence section. In particular, the notes about Guy and the Aburame clan were noteworthy because they added evidence to his "vast knowledge" statement that is already present in the section. We had never even heard of Shikuro Aburame before he encountered Torune, or would never know the name Danzo's summon, etc. Basically, someone took out all of the examples so now it almost looks like an empty claim without any proof to back it up. We may as well just not mention knowledge at all in any of the characters' articles by this logic. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 01:04, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Just a footnote mind. If Kakashi's Susanoo can be listed in the Susanoo page, I think we should call it the Kakashi/Obito Susanoo, since it's Obito's eyes the ability comes from, hence, it being Obitos.
   
== Sensor ==
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== Physical resemblance to Naruto ==
   
I have just returned from a trip where I had no internet, and I'm only now catching up on the last few days, so forgive me if this is already being discussed elsewhere, but why is Obito now listed as a sensor? I know he mentioned he sensed Sasuke gathering chakra in his eye to cast Amaterasu, but we've only seen him sensing chakra as a jinchūriki. He's no different from Naruto in either Sage Mode or Nine-Tails' Chakra Mode regarding sensing. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:37, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
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I can't help but notice Obito looks remarkably like Naruto when he was a child. Should we make note of that in his appearance section?—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 20:21, August 12, 2014
:Except sempai, for us to note that we'd need to have a better grasp about the Ten Tails' abilities and whole thing about the Ten Tails chakra being like natural energy...also since Madara is a sensor there's also the possibility he taught that to Obito. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 22:05, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::You can't just teach someone how to be a sensor, it's innate. Omni, you do have a point though, Obito's sensory ability may be conditional to his new mode. But then he could be a sensor, would explain that peculiar habit of being able to locate people all the time.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:10, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Technically senpai we don't know ''exactly'' how one becomes a sensor...if it's a purely innate thing or if it can be taught to a certain degree. Also another thing is that NTCM doesn't sense chakra, it senses negative emotions. But overall there's too much unknowns to determine if it's Obito's own power or he gained it from the Ten-Tails. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 22:16, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Except Kishi has made Naruto suddenly sense chakra as well in NTCM. Also Obito is likely to be a sensor since he could locate people and stuff--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:43, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::See that's the thing...in what chapters were Obito's tracking abilities ever noted, could someone tell me? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:19, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Well, he found Konan and Taka and we don't know how.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:04, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
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No. They don't look that much alike. Naruto resembles like a lot of characters. Unless a character in the manga notes their similarities appearance-wise, it's unneeded information. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 01:44, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
He found Minato, and Kushina and they were in a barrier. He was heading towards Naruto when he had the six paths with him, and he found Taka and Konan as mentioned above... he is clearly a sensor as he did not use Kamui when he was heading directly towards Bee and Naruto. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:58, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Obito was clearly designed as Uchiha counterpart to Naruto. About mentioning resemblance, well, at most we should mention that they both wore goggles, similar color scheme, same goal, similar personality etc.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
:Well, he is listed as of now so all good. There's evidence for sensory skill while nothing against. After all, Hashirama is a sensor, Zetsu was a sensor, Madara is a sensor... Perhaps Hash cells have something to do with it ^_--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:03, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
It could be just Senju DNA in general makes a person more attuned to sensory ability, as in Tobirama for example. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:44, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== Infobox ==
   
:That may be taking it too far. We've seen Senju who haven't shown any sensor abilities (Tsunade) and there has never been any talk about the Senju being a clan of sensor-type shinobi. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 23:02, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Time for another one of these before an edit war comes about. We can discuss [[:File:Obito Uchiha2.png|original]] or [[:File:Obito Profile Kamui.PNG|this one]]? I don't understand where the consensus of the original being the absolute definitive we use comes from, but as someone who's been against it from the start, let me explain why I think it's inherently a flawed image and shouldn't be used.
   
Finding Minato and Kushina inside a barrier means nothing. Is there any indication that the barrier used blocks sensing? Only the barrier on the island turtle was ever explicitly shown to block that. Besides, until I see a translation, his "sensing" of Sasuke preparing Amaterasu could just as easily be him seeing the chakra gathering with the Sharingan or the Rinnegan. Just because he crossed paths with Naruto and B, doesn't mean he knew where they were going. Evidence for sensory skill is circumstantial at best, I'd sooner call it conjecture instead of evidence. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:33, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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- Sloppy artwork
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- Bad angle
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- His eyes are bulging out.
   
: Regarding him noticing Sasuke building up chakra in his eye, are we sure that wasn't his Sharingan/Rinnegan? With those, he can see chakra and where its being focused rather easily, and... he was looking ''right'' at them as they were preparing their attack. To call him a sensor I think is doing a fair bit of stretching the facts. He found Konan. So? He's been shown meeting with Nagato and Konan at their tower. He ''found'' Konan at said tower. Not to much of a stretch to say he just went to the tower, knowing she'd be there. Omni already cleared up the Minato and Kushina thing. There was also the fact that Kakashi blabbed the location of Naruto's birth to Rin's grave and Obito, like a first class stalker, was listening in the tree. We saw that in the flashback. The only one we really can't explain is his finding Taka, and that could be any number of reasons. Remember, he has a network of Zetsu that are literally all over the place underground, communicating with the main one, and, at the time, Zetsu went everwhere with him. Not hard to imagine Zetsu just told him where they were going. So, I'm with Omnibender here; prove he could sense outside of his Ten-Tails form, and we can call him a sensor. Otherwise, I'd say its just a jinchūriki power he gained. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:28, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
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Now, since Obito will be the mortally wounded & then the Jinchuriki in the next episode he appears in, there won't be any new opportunities to change it. The new image has better lighting, it showcases his hair properly, which is supposed to be more spiky than wavy, his expression is normal and calm, and his eyes aren't bulging out. Overall it represents his character far better than the original, which, quite frankly is a terrible image and never should have been an option, as I've stated before --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 22:04, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
::''If'' he didn't actually see the chakra gathering with either eye. Obito has used the term sensing or something similar for seeing chakra with the Sharingan before. When the Alliance made that huge technique combo against the Ten-Tails' first form, when the Wind Release pushed the mist and the insects towards the Ten-Tails, Obito looked right at it with the Sharingan and told Madara they wouldn't be able to sense them. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:33, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:: That's what I was thinking too. It didn't strike me that he was actually sensing their chakra, rather just viewing it with the Sharingan. On both mentioned occasions, he's staring right at the target when commenting on the chakra he "felt". So, unless his Sharingan is all of the sudden malfunctioning, I'd feel safer pinning it on the Sharingan or the Rinnegan, rather than some phantom sensing ability that came out of nowhere. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:45, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:This single character has had his image changed 3 times in the past 3 months. The current one is fine.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:07, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Inability to use Kamui==
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The suggested image is much better than the one that is up right now. Ultimate you shouldn't disparage something that can improve the article. I am in support of the suggested image.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 22:32, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
In some translations it says that Obito can not travel between dimensions, but in others (notably mangastreams) it says "I can't afford to be reckless" instead. which one is the mistranslation? [[User:Almightywood|Almightywood]] ([[User talk:Almightywood|talk]]) 21:40, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
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:The issue TU3 (and others, including myself) have is that every time a closeup of an anime character shows up in the recent episode, people feel the need to change it all the time. This isn't the first time this has happened, and this isn't the only character page that has gone through this tedious process. There is no point in constantly changing an infobox image when people feel like it. We have to come to a consensus on the image, and maintain it, unless the previous image is so bad/irrelevant that it has to be changed. I'm not targeting any one person, and I don't wanna sound angry, but the constant picture changing is annoying. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 22:41, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
:[[User_talk:Shakhmoot#Re:_Chapter_.23643_translation|See here.]] [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 21:47, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
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::What WindStar said. The infobox image on multiple character articles is being changed '''every single time the next episode is released''' and it's now disruptive. We can change the image '''at a later date''' but not right now. Do something more interesting for the wiki, like improving articles, instead of bickering over an image in an infobox. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:47, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Infobox image ==
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Okay then so all you're saying is basically this.
   
I know this might seem out of the blue but I've noticed that in a lot of cases we usually have a preference to use infobox images of a character as they were depicted in their debut in the present storyline, in the cases of using the photos of many of the characters as they appeared in Part 1. However, Kakashi Gaiden was never part of the present story, it was a flashback. Nagato had a flashback too, depicting his younger self long before his present self was formally revealed, yet we use a photo of Nagato as an adult for his infobox. Does anyone agree that it would be appropriate to do the same for Obito, due to the fact that he only really appears in the present storyline as an adult? It seems like a similar situation to Nagato. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 05:05, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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In spite of the pros
   
:Nagato's appearance in the story never changed (he was just a bit taller and slightly emaciated, but his overall appearance stayed the same), but the series introduced Obito with a mask under the name of Tobi. Later he would be introduced as Obito and since both masked Tobi and no mask Obito have been shown in the anime, both his younger self and his masked alias are used in the infobox. When the anime depicts his older appearance in the war, it is most likely to be used (if the community agrees to it at the time). However, while Kakashi Gaiden was a flashback, it is a major part of the entire storyline of Naruto because it explains a lot about Kakashi and his team then. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:52, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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- Better lighting
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- Better angle
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- Better image
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- More attractive in the article
   
::Kakashi Gaiden is however, a glorified flashback no matter how you look at it and Tobi's first actual appearance in the series was with the mask. I always figured we should have just kept the Tobi image in the infobox, I just never made a fuss over it because to I was certain the Tobito fans would find me and string me up from a tree.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:11, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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you don't want to change it because we change it too much? I'm sorry but with all due respect that's a very weak argument and a terrible reason to be against an all around superior image, no matter how much it's changed. Additionally, the image couldn't be changed again from the proposed unless everyone comes to an agreement that white haired Obito is acceptable in the infobox, which I guarantee won't happen, so if we do change it this will be the final image. What logical reason is there not to use it if there's a significant leap in visual quality? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:11, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think it's okay to use two images, but we've never used flashback images for a character's infobox unless they haven't appeared in the main story. Take Obito for example, we used his Gaiden pic because that's all there was. We thought he was dead so it made sense to use it.. but now I'm not so sure. It's reasonable to keep it until chapter 599 is animated but after that I'm all for changing it to his present look. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 19:27, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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: I'm with Ultimate, Windstar, and Spey on this one. This conversation pops up on multiple talk pages every damn week, usually by the same user (or group of users), and its getting old ''very'' fast. The current picture is fine and the issues you've outlined with it are more an issue personal taste rather than actual problems with the image. Its high time we pick an image for these characters and keep it that way. We don't have to change the image everytime a new close up is provided. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:17, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
I agree. The original Obito is long dead, doesn't make sense to use picture of him as a child. Not only it was a flashback, but the person he used to be is gone. It's even more out of context considering his villainous acts and dialogue and then looking at his Part I. pic in the infobox... What about using the colored cover which has both his young and older selves?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:13, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
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There won't be any new images, like I've pointed out several times already.. there won't be any new images of Obito available. Additionally, the image has only been changed '''twice''', once from Kid Obito to a more close-up adult image and then to this. People attempting to randomly change the image only for it to get reversed don't count. I just don't feel like the current image is at all suitable to permanently represent the character, and so far none of you have presented any legitimate reasons as to why the proposed image isn't suitable besides 'we change it too much.' We haven't, so that argument is null. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:21, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
:That will bring back the can of worms about colored manga images and blah blah blah. Would rather we just use the one with the mask and avoid it.
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Coincidentally, it recently has always been you, @Mandon, that wants to change infobox images because you don't like them. If we allow any user to whimsically change infobox images, it would be chaotic (edit wars, arguments, etc.). The image is fine, as long as it displays a character's first appearance in Part I or II and whatever requirements there is for infobox images. The current image is not terrible nor unneeded. No need to change it every time you see a good closeup in every new anime episode (which is feeling like every doggone week now). Like Spey said, do other things on the wiki, not change (or request changing) infobox images whenever you feel like it. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 23:30, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
:Or hell maybe it wont. We came to an agreement about Part I and II images but not about this.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:15, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
The fact that it doesn't portray his villainous self is slightly irrelevant Elve, but I agree that kid-Obito isn't very imposing for one of the main antagonists. What makes want it changed is the simple fact that we've never used flashback photos for an infobox. The standard has always been the usage of a photo of a character as they appeared in the CURRENT timeline. We don't use a photo of Naruto as a small child for his infobox, so we shouldn't do it for Obito. I also think the Tobi photo should be temporarily used for the default image used if the digital colored manga panel is out of the question for his unmasked self, it is how he initially appeared in the present storyline after all, but then Haku also appeared with his mask on during his debut yet we use a photo of his face. so if we're allowed to use the digital colored manga then I think we should replace the Kakashi Gaiden image with it. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 06:12, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it our job as wiki editors to choose an image that's the most aesthetically pleasing in an article? If not, you guys really should examine your priorities because the sheer fact that people, including myself have been trying to change it often should not be a deciding factor in this. If you have an issue with the image, that's one thing, but so far you've raised no arguments on which image is ''better suited'' in the infobox, which should be the '''only''' deciding factor in this, not whether or not the current image is suitable by the standards of the site. Ask yourself, is the image better? Then ask yourselves again, is it really a big deal if it's changed one more time if the article benefits from it? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:30, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:Emphasis on '''OUR JOB''' to choose images, not ''your job''. We must reach a consensus. The consensus is, we don't change the image. The constant changing is pointless. Period. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 23:35, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Just use the image of his debut adult face (even though I personally don't like it as it's slightly different from the following face shots), when the mask was destroyed in 599. It's already in the article under Appearance, so just set it as default. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 06:24, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Emphasis on the fact that if I didn't care about your opinions, I would have continued trying to change it despite all the reverts until I get banned. I'm just trying to help you see a different point of view so you can maybe see where I'm coming from here. You can understand why choosing an inferior image just because you think we change it too often [despite only changing it twice] doesn't make sense right? With that being said, it doesn't matter what you're reasons are, and you're right, if there's a majority consensus it doesn't matter what I think, but I still think it's a worthwhile investment of my time to at least try to weigh the pros and cons to help anybody reading this can formulate an opinion on the matter.
   
I don't buy the Haku argument. Haku was introduced with a mask, but was quickly shown without it. Obito was introduced as masked, and remained so for a significant portion of the story. Would you like us to change Yamato's image to his ANBU mask image as well? Do you think we'd change Kakashi's infobox image to one of him without the mask should we ever see him without it? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:15, September 10, 2013 (UTC)
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But alas, to beat a dead horse and repeat myself for the fourth time on the matter.. we '''don't change the image constantly nor has it been changed constantly'''. It's been changed twice. These are facts.
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--[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 00:35, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:You're missing the point. We are not talking about one specific instance with an infobox image being changed, we're talking about multiple instances with multiple character infobox images that are being changed every week because one user (or a group of users) don't like the current images in place. Every time when a new anime episode is out, and displays closeups of characters' faces, whether it be Madara, Sasuke, Nagato, not just Obito, infobox images have to be changed because one or a few people out of many editors (who aren't even rollbacks or sysops) don't like them. Now where is the sense in that? I'll reiterate what Spey said: Spend time doing other things on the wiki. Stop worrying about infobox images and work on improving articles, and make yourself a better contributor. And no, this is not a worthwhile investment, it is redundant and a waste of time. No offense, but you and other editors making big deals out of little things such as images need to find a hobby. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 01:01, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::Kinda contradictory saying we should focus on improving the article when the infobox image is part of said article. Does it REALLY matter about the image changing? It just sounds like you guys are just sick of seeing these discussions, but sometimes better images of characters do appear. The image should reflect the character as best as it can and the proposed image does so better than the current one. Basically put do we always see Obito bulging his eyes out? No we don't so it needs to be changed. The image that is currently being used was the best one we had at the time and so this site had to use it. Though now we have a better one and you are opposed to it because you don't want to change it. Also Windstar about editors concerning about images, it's pretty damn important. Naruto is a manga and manga is very image heavy, it's as important as the dialogue that goes with it. A wiki article is dependent on images at times, a point being jutsu articles. It would look awful without a image of said jutsu.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 03:33, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
TOBI has been seen for a long time with his mask, but as soon as the mask came off was when we found out it was Obito. and he has been unmasked for a long time now. Theres a huge difference between Obito and Kakashi's masks.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 03:33, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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It's not that I condone constantly trying to replace high quality images with inferior ones simply because of some kind of addiction to change, which is the reason I feel so many people have tried to edit, as an example, Sasuke's PT2 infobox image even though the current one is high res and perfect. With that being said, we're at a junction in the anime where Perriot consistently half-asses a lot of the artwork on a lot of characters. leading to deformities.. especially on Obito, due to his scar. So for characters introduced during this time, such as Obito, it's a rare opportunity to get an image that actually matches the level of quality found in various other character articles, but these opportunities happen and it feels wasteful to not take advantage of them simply because of what other people [including myself admittedly] have done. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 04:27, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:You said it yourself though, regardless of whether you feel the image is the best for the job, someone will come along thinking otherwise and try to have it changed, just as in your Sasuke example. We're at a point were things are changing but also winding down. Obito's no longer in the manga and pretty soon he'll look different in the show, but until then people will constantly be trying to change his Infobox image to ones they feel are better. The same is true for Madara and will likely be true for Kaguya, Hagoromo and all the other recent manga characters when they appear in the anime. At this point it makes more sense to stick with what we've got, wait until he undergoes his change and then open it up for debate one last time instead of doing it on and off like we do now.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 04:49, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm all for using his current face without mask. There have been enough arguments already. But maybe we should wait for the anime version, because the first panels of him (unmasked) aren't of good quality and even more - slightly differ from the main style used in later chapters.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 06:04, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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::@Madon: And we're not changing it because that was the majority consensus. This is not going to turn into a pissing match about what our "greater duty" as editors should be. The picture shows Obito in a form all fans can recognize, in his unmasked state, facing the camera and displaying his well-known dōjutsu. The lighting is fine, not nearly as terrible as you try to make it seem. His eyes are not "bulging", they are open, which, again displays his signature dōjutsu in a decent manner. The quality of the image is also fine for an infobox image. @Narutofox94: Please don't over dramatize things. The article is not suffering from the current image. It is not detracting from the page. It is literally the preference of one or two users to continue changing his image (and the images of others) every time they get something they perceive as better, which, as you've seen today, is not sitting well with a good majority of the community. Move onto other more important things now. The image will remain until such a time that the majority of the users on this site feel that it should be changed. No more comments are needed after this. The discussion is closed. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:51, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
The issue in my opinion is the fact that there is no standard for using a flashback photo for a character's infobox unless they've been deceased before the beginning of the series, which used to be Obito's case but no longer is, so now he's the only character on the wiki that's been depicted in the current timeline with an infobox image from a flashback. We don't use a photo of Academy Naruto for his infobox, or ANBU Kakashi for his. So it doesn't make sense to do it for Obito. So from how I see it, our best course of action is to take out the photo of Obito and only use the masked image for now until 599 is animated, or use a manga photo of Obito as an adult to replace the Gaiden pic. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 05:19, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
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The discussion doesn't close just because you say it does, there are still other editors on here besides us. Regardless of the fact that more people may not chime in. Yes, the image is technically suitable, but a better one has arisen and so far you guys have presented absolutely no reasons to keep the current image other than, "People need to stop trying to change it, the current image is suitable enough!" Who cares if it is? The initial image of Adult Obito was also suitable, yet we changed it. Why? Because it was an improvement and the current image was the best at the time, and now it isn't.. that's sort of how infobox images work, they change and update as newer and better ones arise. If you don't feel like the proposed is an improvement, then feel free to express why.. otherwise I'll gladly point out how weak your argument is so people just finding this discussion can decide which is the better course of action.. if they don't, then as you said it's done. As for what Soul reaper said.. that's not really going to happen. This is it, after Obito appears again Kakashi will stab him, his hair will go white and he'll become the TTJ, and as such there will be no more options unless a full anime remake comes out 10+ years from now. What's honestly the harm in replacing the current image when a better one is released, and there will be no more options from here on out? And that's my final thought on the matter. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 05:09, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
:You're over-complicating the infobox guideline. The preferred image is not strictly the character as they first appeared, it is not strictly the character from the "current" timeline, it is not strictly the character being alive. The preferred image is, simply, the character as they are most recognizable. For 600 chapters "Obito" is most recognizable as a child and for 200 chapters "Tobi" is most recognizable with an orange mask. Adult Obito can never possibly be more recognizable than either of these two. You can argue that adult Obito nevertheless deserves a place in the infobox, but that's a separate issue. Child Obito is accessible to the most readers and is what should be used. Full stop. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:45, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
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: The problem with changing it is that quiet a few people don't think it is better, including me. Yes maybe his eyes are a bit better in yours, but it's not like it's bad in the other one. And the light in yours a truly bad, he looks ill. And as it has been said countless times before, the current one is fine, no need for change. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 08:08, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
::"Accessable to most readers?" That's a completely irrelevant point. Any manga reader could easily see Obito's adult face and say, "Oh hey that's Obito, I totally recognize him as such." Even someone who doesn't read the manga would be able to tell it's him. Chapter 599 came out over a year ago, we've had over 50 chapters to get used to his face, and he's has way more screen time in the manga than his Kakashi Gaiden counterpart. In the course of the entire series before his unmasking, Obito only appeared in maybe 8 chapters, not 600, and yet his adult appearance has been in roughly 50 chapters, excluding the Hashirama and Madara flashback stuff, so let's just say 35-40 chapters. That's not even counting his countless appearances with the mask. Even if the guidelines don't say anything about using flashback images for a character's infobox, it's still never been a habit and so far Obito's the only living character we've done it for. I get that you don't want KG Obito to get pushed aside for a version of his character readers aren't entirely used to yet, but that version of his character is so incredibly minor at this point after all the stuff he's done as Tobi that I can retort that, pushing Tobi-Obito aside for KG Obito after he's had overwhelmingly more presence in the story is a far worse alternative. People may be used to Obito as a kid, but I think they're more used to Tobi, mask and all, given that he's far more recognizable as a character, and now that they're revealed to be the same person it's a question of which version of him is more relevant to showcase, and the answer seems obvious. If we don't use a photo of him as an adult, we should still make Tobi the default image that shows up when you view the article. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 08:00, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
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The problem with the current one is that it's shot at an odd angle (he's hunched over), the signature eye pattern is drawn incorrectly (Kamui is supposed to look like a shuriken, not a propeller), and it's not in as full a view of Obito's portrait. Can we just agree to change it one final time? The one uploaded is brighter, is in the Kamui dimension (something that is synonymous with the character), and is generally shot at an angle that seems more profile like. It also looks closer to his manga incarnation which is important. I understand why you guys are so annoyed with the constant changes, but this will likely be the last one no matter what, because Obito is losing this design very soon in the anime and will go into Juubi Jinchuriki form. At that point, no one will suggest anymore replacements, so why not make this last change? --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 17:55, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::Whether Tobi or Obito should be the primary image is, again, a different issue.
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To play devil's advocate, Kenny.. you can't at all see Obito's mangekyo when it's downsized for the infobox. In any case the community made their decision and their decision is no, so it's best just to leave it, even though I agree with you for the most part. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 18:48, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
:::Does child Obito only appear in a couple chapters? Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that for 600 chapters that is the only appearance he is known by, even if he doesn't appear in all of them. And, since the wiki does not exclusively cater to the people who are most up-to-date with the series, that is more identifiable to the largest number of readers.
 
:::The precedent you are pointing to in opposition of child Obito's image does not exist because, as you said, it hasn't happened before. In the absence of a precedent, the wiki abides by the spirit of existing practices, which I outlined earlier. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 08:25, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Going by Snapper2's definition TheUltimate3 moves in favor of the Tobi image. But yeah that's just my opinion and typing on a tablet is really odd-[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:59, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Common sense incoming. Considering this website is full of spoilers and it even says: "Be warned that this wiki is filled with SPOILERS about the Naruto series. This is your only warning, read at your own risk!" then there's no reason at all to use "Tobi" (masked) image at all. We only need the current one of child Obito and another of him as an adult, because that's how he appears in Part II.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:29, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== Restoring the Legacy section ==
:Agreed. In fact, coming to the wiki is spoiling. --[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 12:36, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::TheUltimate3's move to have the one with the mask is based on Snapper2's comment that the one most associated with the character and for the majority of the story, the mask was used. Either way, I do rather not stick a manga image in, but naturally that opens a whole can of stupid.
 
::But for now that's all TheUltimate3 will contribute. Carry on with the back and forth.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:10, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::The mask has been associated with "Tobi" Deidara's crazy partner and then "Uchiha Madara" more than Obito--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:14, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::All of whom are still Tobi, or Obito if you prefer. Back to my work filled/Hobbit enjoying exile.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:17, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Exactly. In terms of the character context "Tobi" is far more recognizable and significant than KG Obito. It should still be the default image at the very least, but I'm still all for changing the KG image to a photo of adult Obito when the anime gets there, until then using a manga photo doesn't make a whole lot of sense. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 17:15, September 12, 2013 (UTC)
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I wish to restore the legacy section for this page. Of course, I cut out a lot of the unnecessary information, and I will continue to do so to make sure it is perfect. I feel Obito is a character who warrants a legacy section because his actions had a profound affect on the world of Naruto. --[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 15:32, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
:I agree that the photo of Obito should be changed to the adult counterpart when it is animated, but until then, can we change the image of Obito KG to a different photo? I think the current one makes him look completely pathetic. [[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 01:09, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Possible moniker to mention? ==
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Why was it removed? What good reason is there for it to be removed? I think it's fine when it was there. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 16:37, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
In chapter 63, Obito was called by Madara "Messiah"/"Saviour or the world" (here the raw version of the page: http://i.imgur.com/1EcPrMH.jpg). I know that very likely Madara was stating this just for deceving the boy (and that surely completing the Moon's Eye plan don't make of him a saviour), however considering the paralles between Obito and Naruto, I think that the use of this expression was made on purpose by the author to put another similarity between him and main character, called in the same way by the alliance. So I was thinking that could be worthy to add this surname on his list, or at least mentioning this parallel on his trivia section.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 18:44, September 11, 2013 (UTC)
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:As he was essentially dead for most of the series (to everyone but himself and Zetsu), I do believe he warrants a legacy section to highlight the effects left on Kakashi's life.
:I'd be for it. Only one person ever called Naruto a saviour I believe and it's there.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:Anything beyond that however, no.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:53, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::That's why we can title it "Legacy & Influence" or simply "Influence", you know. [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 10:19, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tools ==
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== Ten-Tails' Jinchūriki ==
Hasn't Obito used a lot of different weapons that aren't list[[User:William000|William000]] ([[User talk:William000|talk]]) 21:40, September 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Such as...? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
In the tools section there are only three tools listed which he has used Shuriken, the shackle and chain whatever its proper name is, kunai etc[[User:William000|William000]] ([[User talk:William000|talk]]) 03:39, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
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Could somebody with permission change Shinju to Ten-Tails in the infobox?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 05:57, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Still not updated whatever man[[User:William000|William000]] ([[User talk:William000|talk]]) 03:10, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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ask an admin, you see know if dumb asses just stopped messing with pages like this then permission wouldnt be needed. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 06:35, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:In my honest opinion, just because someone once changes a character's infobox image isn't a good reason to lock the page--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:07, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Chain is kusari, and it is there. Shuriken and kunai are generic tools used by pretty much every shinobi, so like basic techniques, like Body Replacement Technique or Body Flicker Technique, people are not listed as users of those unless they're particularly skilled with it, have renown for using the skill, or the technique/tool is part of a signature fighting style. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:14, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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I completely agree. I didn't even know the page was blocked until I tried to do what he asked. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 13:02, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Not able to use Kamui ==
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== Obito's jinchuriki color. ==
   
I read some of Obito's page and some wrote that the reason he was hit by Naruto atk with Tobirama is because he couldn't use Kamuii so I went to the chapter and it wasn't stated anywhere in the chapter that he could use Kamuii so that should be correct[[User:William000|William000]] ([[User talk:William000|talk]]) 05:55, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi, everyone. I just noticed about Obito's transformation color. Obviously the special colored chapter of him becoming jinchuriki colored him I think purplish-grey. Apparently, Obito's color transformation is green or light green. And it's been confirmed in the manga on one of the volume's cover. This could be the same issue as Sasuke's Rinnegan. Can I change edit and add this information? And Should we write a trivia about it? Thank you. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 18:39, September 18, 2014 (UTC).
:Fixed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:09, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:It's white in the manga too--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:32, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
::[[User_talk:Shakhmoot#Re:_Chapter_.23643_translation|*sigh*]] [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:22, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::...Fixed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:20, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I knew I remembered a Seelentau translation being somewhere when I saw this topic at college earlier today. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:22, September 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Lol @Cere I know this is a minor thing not very important but whoever "fixed" it really didn't. They placed that Obito was having difficult with the kamuii when he got hit I went back to the chapter again and Obito states nothing about not being about to of used the kamuii to not get hit. So who fixed that part on the wiki messed up still the kamuii had nothing to do with that chapter it was even mentioned in the chapter so it should be changed to he was hit no time to react and nothing about the kamuii[[User:William000|William000]] ([[User talk:William000|talk]]) 03:37, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
So we're taking one random user's translation, who claims he is the best translator on the internet, over a group of professional scanlators that have been doing this for years? Since Manga Stream doesn't mention anything about dimensions or slipping through at all.
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Really? When?? THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 20:07, September 18, 2014 (UTC).
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:Volume covers. It's not green there but white/grayish, the green is just lighting/shadowing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:10, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
I absolutely love this Wikia's logic sometimes. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 05:06, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
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You mean this? [http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131127150222/naruto/images/3/3b/Volume_67.png]. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 20:18, September 18, 2014 (UTC).
:I'm working for this wiki since almost three years, have been praised by more famous translators such as ShounenSuki for my translation abilities and corrected many mistakes made by your "professional scanlators" (even though scanlators don't translate stuff). If you want me to, I can break down the whole sentence for you, provide source for every word's meaning and explain it to you. But please don't question my translation abilities or this wiki's logic as long as you can't provide a "better" translation yourself. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 12:09, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:Yes, that's just lighting. Chapter 652 cover shows him clearly white.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:10, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
Was that directed to me @Seel because I was just making a point that the kamuii clearly didn't have anything to do with it and @Uchiha your sarcasm didn't help anything[[User:William000|William000]] ([[User talk:William000|talk]]) 03:08, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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== Obito's PARENTS? ==
:That was directed toward Uchiha not you Will. @Seel, I was going to back you up, but you can apparently handle yourself lol. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 03:17, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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so i noticed something while i was watching some old episodes ( the obito flashbacks tbh )when obito was in his room looking at rin's photos there's [[:File:Obitosparents.jpg|a picture of 2 people there]] . Could they be Obito's parents? . If yes then i think we should create a page for both of them--[[User:Cassie122|Cassie122]] ([[User talk:Cassie122|talk]]) 19:03, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:Nothing confirms that.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 19:05, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::you sure? because the man look like Obito so he could be his father--[[User:Cassie122|Cassie122]] ([[User talk:Cassie122|talk]]) 19:25, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He could even be his uncle, for all we know.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 19:34, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I doubt it's his uncle really . An uncle wouldn't act like that tbh . It's more possible that they're his parents . these 2 people are definitely related to Obito so i think we should create a page for them . oh btw they appear on the manga too chapter 603 p9 . i can give you the manga panel if you want --[[User:Cassie122|Cassie122]] ([[User talk:Cassie122|talk]]) 19:56, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::''Even if'' those are his parents, we don't know anything about them, except that they are probably dead. Then again, ''probably''. This does not warrant an own article at all. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 19:59, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::For now, I'd suggest you put the [[:Template:File Information|required]] [[:Template:Fair use|information]] on the [[:File:Obitosparents.jpg|image's page]]. If you wish to create a page about them, feel free to do so, but as Norleon said, they don't really warrant an article, so I think it would be deleted right away.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 20:01, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

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For previous discussions about this character, see also Talk:Tobi and its archives.

As Yin-Kurama's jinchūriki Edit

In the latest chapter, Madara stated that Obito had both the left Rinnegan and the Yin half of Kurama. Is that enough to put Obito as Yin-Kurama's jinchūriki (though he most likely has already transferred it to Naruto)?--JOA20 (talk) 07:47, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know why and how, but this chapter says that now Obito possesses Yin Kurama. Should we make respective changes?Faust-RSI (talk) 08:25, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

He *had the Yin Kyuubi. He transferred it to Naruto. But, maybe the community might want to wait for the raws to make an official decision.-NaviiGator (A.K.A.KotoSenju)Talk Page-My Contributions 09:12, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

I'm fairly certain that Obito was the Yin Kurama Jinchuriki for a brief period of time there. He was using a kyuubi chakra arm to pull the beast fragments out of Madara, and when we saw him in Madara in that bijuu mind space place, you can see the Yin Kyuubi floating right above him. As such, I'd say it'd be safe to list him as a past Kyuubi jin. Kenny U (talk) 14:22, February 28, 2014 (UTC)Kenny U

2 things Edit

Shouldn't we list him as a user of chakra absorption? Also I see he is listed as a Sensor, I don't recall, any justification for that?--Elveonora (talk) 10:21, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Against Sasuke's Amaterasu in chapter 641: "I could sense the build up of chakra in your left eye..."--JOA20 (talk) 11:19, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
But couldn't it have been his sense of sight, he can see chakra? Arrancar79 (talk) 04:50, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

He is most definitely a Sensor type, as he has used sensing abilities to find Minato and Kushina, Sasuke and Itachi, and then Taka, then he said he sensed the Amaterasu build up. I also agree he can absorb Chakra.. I mean Madara did say he turned Obito into himself basically...ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:56, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Jinchuriki Edit

Shouldn't Obito have Gedo Mazo be listed as one of Obito's Tailed Beasts in his infobox? It was only for a short time sure, but there nonetheless. Skitts (talk) 17:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

The Demonic Statue isn't a tailed beast, so...--JOA20 (talk) 17:10, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Except, given it's the husk of the Ten Tails and so technically it is, so... Skitts (talk) 17:11, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
It may be similar to a tailed beast, but it has never been stated to be one, not by Madara, Obito or the tailed beasts, who are the ones knowing the most about it.--JOA20 (talk) 17:18, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
It's the Ten-Tails' body, so it clearly is a Tailed Beast by definition. Neither Obito nor Madara have ever referred to Gedo Mazo as a living being either, but clearly we didn't need them to tell us that once we saw it moving and showing behavior and such. Skitts (talk) 17:21, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if that's your point then we'll have to go by vote. I actually support this. --JOA20 (talk) 17:23, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

It might be the body of a tailed beast, but it's not a tailed beast. Obito wasn't no longer a jinchūriki the moment One-Tail through Seven-Tails and the chakra fragments of Eight and Nine-Tails were removed from him. He's not even a pseudo-jinchūriki, since he no longer had the chakra of an actual tailed beast in him. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:29, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Omni, the equivalent of what you're saying is if Kurama lost all of its chakra, the person it's sealed in is no longer a jinchuriki, which is self-evidently absurd. After all, Gyuki said that Samehada had absorbed all his chakra during his and B's fight with Kisame, yet we never thought to de-list B as a jinchuriki. It's the being itself that counts, not simply the chakra. Skitts (talk) 17:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Obito was a classified as a jinchuriki when he had the Ten-Tails sealed in him. When it was removed and he was just housing the Demonic Statue, he kept his status as a jinchuriki (same way Gaara kept his status despite Shukaku being removed), but he was no longer a jinchuriki because the Demonic Statue is not a tailed beast.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:05, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
If it's a tb, the sage's tools are tb, too. Seelentau 愛 18:16, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

A better discussion seems to be the fact that Obito was the actual jinchūriki of Yin Kurama, not Zetsu. Madara even outright says in this chapter that it is Obito housing Kurama, evidenced by Kurama appearing with him when he went to pull out Madara's beasts, as well as his ability to transfer the beast from himself to Naruto. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 19:02, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Don't think it's quite that simple. It was very clear that Black Zetsu was the one who took Kurama. Obito was still unconscious when it happened. Either Obito has access to Yin Kurama because he's merged with BZ and is preventing BZ from leaving him, or for some reason, BZ housed Yin Kurama in Obito. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:19, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
If it were that simple for a Zetsu to become a jinchūriki, I wonder why Madara/Obito didn't just "steal" the tailed beasts housing them in Zetsu clones. Madara himself says it: "Obito has both the Yin half of the Nine-Tails and the left Rinnegan..."--JOA20 (talk) 19:44, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Things have been screwy with this. When Obito was not in control of his body, Black Zetsu was ready to leave Obito's body and take Yin-Kurama with him, meaning Yin-Kurama had to have been in him. However, once Obito got control of the body, he was able to do the transfer.
It is possible that because Black Zetsu is a parasite on Obito's body, once he regained control, he could do whatever he wanted with Black Zetsu and that includes transfering a tailed beast.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 19:46, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Yes because when he transferes the kyuubi to Naruto, he does from his right side, the side that BZ isn't on. This means that no matter what, something happened so that the kyuubi is inside of Obito now Riptide240 (talk)
Obito might be in control of what happens to it, but it's still in BZ. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:45, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Even still, he would have to have it in himself first cause he didn't do it from BZ he did it from his own flesh and being Riptide240 (talk) 20:48, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think BZ has a body in the first place. He's a mass of chakra that leeches on to people. Therefore, he would use the body he's attached to to store any tailed beasts he takes. As chakra, he has no storage place of his own. When leaving the body, he would just hold on to the chakra to take it with him. To say that BZ on his own is a Jinchuuriki is like say a tailed beast can be a jinchuuriki of a tailed beast. Not possible. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 20:58, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

He may not have a body in a traditional sense, but he definitely has a physical composition. He's not an ethereal entity, otherwise there's no way he'd be able to so many things he does, like just a few chapters ago, digging his way through the ground to intercept Yin Kurama. That still doesn't change the fact that when he was going to leave before Obito stopped him, the black mass itself was leaving Obito's body, meaning the black mass itself contained Yin Kurama. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:05, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Who said chakra was ethereal? If that were the case, the tailed beast would be ghosts. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 21:09, February 26, 2014 (UTC)
Chakra by definition is made up two energies. By ethereal, I mean something like dragon entities that come out of the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path. Sure, they're there, they interact with stuff, but it's not quite mass like a rock or a tree. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:14, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

On topic... @Skitts, the "Ten-Tails/Shinju" isn't even a Tailed Beast, we just classify it as such for some weird reason. Also offtopic, but again I must remind the urgency of merging Gedo Mazo and Shinju articles. Having them separated is like saying that myself with a limb removed would no longer be me but some other person--Elveonora (talk) 23:39, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

I know I used to be in favor of the contrary, but I actually do not support a merger. Also, I kind of don't think the Gedo Mazo should really count as making him a jinchuriki... BUT... I do think the Shinju itself should be separated from the Ten-Tail's page. The Shinju (God Tree) was able to be reproduced by Obito during his duration as its Jinchuriki. But even after being stripped of the Ten-Tails and having all of the Tailed Beast comprising it split up, the Shinju remained fully planted in the ground without being disturbed. This effectively demonstrated that it, after its recreation at least, was able to continue on without and in the absence of the Juubi/Ten-Tails itself, the 9 Chakra Entities which comprised it, and the Gedo Mazo body. So I do not think either Shinju or Gedo Mazo should be counted as Tailed Beasts. After all, they both lack the fundamental chakra tails, even if they are chakra entities in either part or whole.Skarrj (talk) 05:31, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

I would agree that after taking control of his body and BZ Obito just could do anything he wanted with Yin Kurama, while it still was physically in BZ, but him resealing it to Naruto through his normal body AND him using tailed beast chakra arms against Madara suggests that Kurama somehow moved to his body. It's stupid, I know, but that's how Kishi made it.Faust-RSI (talk) 06:35, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

He did take it from Black Zetsu apparently, becoming a temporary nine tails host, then he sealed it into naruto. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:57, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

@Skarrj, except the Gedo Mazo IS the Shinju, what's not clear here? What's outside (the tree) is a replica. Kinda like Gaara recreating Shukaku from his sand without unsealing it from within himself in Part I. "Gedo Mazo" is just a nickname given to it by Madara. My body without limbs will still be I, Elveonora. The Shinju without the stripped chakra that are the Tailed Beasts isn't suddenly a different entity. And yes, glad you agree on that the Shinju/Gedo Mazo isn't a Tailed Beast. Tailed Beasts are Sage of Six Path's creations, and he made 9 of them... "Ten-Tails" is a tailed beast in name/label only. So to answer the topic, Obito can't be listed as a host to Gedo Mazo, Shinju, Ten-Tails, because all 3 are the very same entity just in different forms with different given nicknames.--Elveonora (talk) 12:30, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

On the the topic of Obito being Kurama's jinchuuriki, I'm not so sure. After all, it definitely was inside of Black Zetsu and it even tried to separate itself from Obito, trying to bring Kurama to Madara. In my opinion Obito isn't its jinchuuriki, he only has full control over Black Zetsu now, so you could say he is one only "by extension"--Elveonora (talk) 12:32, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Um, no, the ten tails was explicitly stated to be the original tailed beast, that not something debatable. The rest about the ten tails I'm on the fence on. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 14:57, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

About the Ten-Tails being the original tailed beast, Obito at the Five Kages' Summit stated that it was "the origin of the tailed beasts" in response to Temari's question on wheter it was another tailed beast. So it is not really a tailed beast. It is considered one only because of the numerical tail name, which would put the Zero-Tails as a tailed beast as well, except it isn't.--JOA20 (talk) 16:41, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
People simply didn't know once upon a time there was a Ten-Tails, that doesn't make it less a tailed beast. Want a simple rationale that says it is a tailed beast? What is the definition of a jinchūriki? Someone who has had a tailed beast sealed in them. From the moment we learned about the existence of the Ten-Tails, we were told that Hagoromo was its jinchūriki, which by extension means the Ten-Tails is a tailed beast. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:15, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Skill with staff Edit

from the recent chapter shouldn't we add his skill to use the staff he has to deflect multiple orbs Madara attacked him withFanking (talk) 21:01, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Sage Mode user? Edit

After having his power drained from Obito, and Obito subseqeuntly attempting to escape via his own Kamui, he was quickly stopped by two Black Chakra Orbs which he effectively countered with his Chakra Shakujo. HOWEVER... Madara notes that:"It was correct to use Sage Mode. Were you able to suck a little of that power too?". Does this mean Obito also absorbed some of his Senjutsu in the process? Skarrj (talk) 05:34, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Madara didn't mean SM, read another translation. He just talked about "Rikudo Mode", i.e. staff, chakra cloak etc.Faust-RSI (talk) 06:35, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
I'd still like to see what the RAW has to say about this. Because we may finally have a name for the Ten-Tails jinchūriki form. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 06:54, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
I thought it was a description for that form as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:15, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Take a look at the chapter talk page. ;) Seelentau 愛 16:45, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, what I said still stays the same. Madara basically says "Transforming into the Sage (not SM user, but the Sage of 6 Paths) only once...". Also, Obito could defend himself from the orbs because the staff is made from the same material. Basically absorbing part of Madara's power enebled him to use Yin-Yang release again.Faust-RSI (talk) 19:51, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Na, read my translation. ;) Seelentau 愛 00:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
I did, it fits perfectly.Faust-RSI (talk) 09:40, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't fit what you said above, though. Seelentau 愛 11:56, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

@Faust-RSI i have to agree with Seelentau here you did just say it was Rikudo Mode —This unsigned comment was made by Funsize33 (talkcontribs) .

Regardless of the translation, I'm against listing Obito as a Sage Mode user for the same reason that I'm against listing Madara. They stole Hashirama's Sage chakra (though Obito stole Hashi's from Madara) and have no capacity to use Sage Mode on their own. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 17:26, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm so Obito used sage mode for a bit, and madara calls it Senninka?? What does the ka at the end actually mean? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:31, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

"Senninka" means "Sage Transformation". "-ka" (化) means "transformation". Its the same romanji used to describe Jūgo's clan's transformation, which is basically an unstable Sage Mode. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 03:33, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

So that means Madara and Obito did not use Sage mode since it was imperfect, but instead Sage Transformation... still weird how the hashi face looked just like hashirama in actual sage mode though. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:30, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Not quite. See, Seel translated some lines from the manga, specifically Jūgo's that proves that Sage Transformation is just another name for Sage Mode. In essence, Sage Mode is a type of Sage Transformation, while Jūgo's clan is unable to balance the chakras, meaning that their Sage Transformation doesn't equate to Sage Mode. Its weird, but Madara is using a Sage Mode. Hashirama's Sage Mode, however, not his own. Same for Obito, though I question this, as he didn't gain any of the markings that Madara did. I still think it was refering to the Jinchūriki mode looking like the Sage of Six Paths, but that's just me. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 06:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Considering the Ten tails chakra is equivalent to natural energy, its not completely a stretch to say the jinchuuriki form for ten tails is a form of sage mode. So maybe he's referring to that, considering there's no sage mode marks on Obito. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 06:43, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

The fact that there are no Sage Mode markings doesn't mean that Obito didn't absorb a small portion of senjutsu chakra. At least that's what I got from Madara's reaction.--JOA20 (talk) 07:05, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

The basic problem we have is: How could Obito use Senjutsu without the markings and all that stuff? Normally, it shouldn't be possible. The only explanation I can think of is that he didn't get any markings because he didn't absorb pure natural energy, but Senjutsu chakra. Seelentau 愛 08:02, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

He used it temporarily to block the orbs that were shot at him right? Maybe Kishi just didn't even bother to draw it, or the tankobon will have it? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:09, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Was it ever stated that the Sennin Mode is the inevitable result of absorbing natural energy? Because since the Sennin Mode is a Senjutsu, I'm thinking that a Senjutsu user doesn't need to enter Sennin Mode to use Senjutsu. Seelentau 愛 11:19, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

So much speculation... no, Sage Transformation isn't "just" another name for Sage Mode until we are told otherwise for a simple reason: Jugo and his clan call their usage of Sage Mode as Sage Transformation yes, but we were never told they use it as a general/broad term for the phenomena outside of their clan, it's likely it refers only their own specific usage alone, which is different. For all I could care, if dogs were to be called cats somewhere in the world because a specific breed of a dog would resemble a cat, that wouldn't mean all dogs are suddenly to be called cats just because some call one so. For Madara, we don't even know if he ever met and heard a Jugo Clan's member use the term "Senninka" Madara hardly knows anything about Sage Mode, he could call it come at me from behind because he doesn't know better. But just for the sake of it Seelentau, did the word "Senninka" Madara used have even the same Kanji as Jugo's? And to answer your question (we people here argued about this topic some time ago and I oppose it still) We were never told nor has it been shown that Sage Mode is something that has to be activated rather than being automatic. Quite the contrary in fact, just refer to the magical toad oil which makes your skin suck in natural energy. After an application of it, Naruto automatically entered incomplete Sage Mode, so there's no way to have Senjutsu chakra without being in Sage Mode, because the latter is a result of the former and isn't even a technique that has to be used, it simply is a state/automatic bodily response.--Elveonora (talk) 13:51, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

I really don't want to discuss this again. I figured the whole topic out, but it's not my job to convince you guys. But yes, Jugo and Madara use the same term. Seelentau 愛 13:59, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. And ditto, I still am positive you interpret it wrong :-/ but I'm not a preacher either. I could repeat myself for days to come and it wouldn't change a thing. But the topic shouldn't be dismissed completely, Jugo should be listed as a user of Sage Mode at least, that I agree with.--Elveonora (talk) 17:30, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox tabs? Edit

I know this has probably been brought up before, but are they really necessary? Why don't we just use the Obito image and put the Tobi image in the appearance section? --Mandon (talk) 19:09, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

^This, I was wondering the same thing. Thanks for bringing this one up. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 19:10, March 18, 2014 (UTC)
I agree --Admiral   Sugar    19:25, March 18, 2014 (UTC)

For a good chunk of his life he wore a mask, from 14 all the way until 31. So I am kind of torn on this one. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:24, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but now that we have seen his face, should we just add the mask on his appearance section? ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 14:09, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
He has a mask as his "Tobi" tab for the same reason a bunch of other characters have tabs for Anime/Manga, Part I/Part II ect. Basically, mask Tobi is more iconic than unmasked Obito (no matter how much you like to think), and the very existence of tabs are to avoid the unnecessary "I want this image! No I want this image!" scenario.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 17:58, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Plus, the majority of his appearance in the anime/manga was with a mask, so people are more likely to see him as such. Just showcasing him without one will lead to unnecessary spoilers for those who haven't yet reached the current events of the anime / manga. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 18:01, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

That's kind of a moot point, since his unmasked image is the default photo. Besides, we don't really make decisions with, "Oh we need to avoid unnecessary spoilers" in mind. This wiki's full of spoilers, and it doesn't accommodate people who aren't caught up. --Mandon (talk) 16:30, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

It also does not solely cater to the people who are "caught up". Following your logic, Part I images should be removed from infoboxes since the Part II images are already there and unmasked Kakashi should someday replace masked Kakashi.
This is, what, your third proposal relating to Obito's infobox image. Why are you so concerned about it? ~SnapperTo 17:28, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Mask Color Edit

The latest episode with Obito as Madara during the time when he assisted Itachi in wiping out the Uchiha Clan had his flame-patterned mask as a red-orange. I thought it was always yellow. Was this a different mask, did the color fade over time, or was this a mistake? Diamonddeath (talk) 22:47, April 20, 2014 (UTC)

I don't recall a yellow mask, but blame it on lighting--Elveonora (talk) 12:27, April 21, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe it was just dulled from being nighttime when he attacked Hidden Leaf with Kurama and fought Minato. At the very least, in Ultimate Ninja Storm 3, Masked Man's mask is more yellow than orange, but that could be chalked up to being a mistake. Diamonddeath (talk) 02:14, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

I recall it was light orange, so perhaps under certain lighting conditions it might appear yellowish--Elveonora (talk) 14:34, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

heartless ?? Edit

judging by the talk between Obito and Madara , Obito is actually really heartless .. when the scene with kakashi stabbing him was shown many people thought it was a genjutsu but now that mean he is actually living with no heart!--Tchad1 (talk) 07:08, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

It was destroyed by Kakashi and subsequently restored when Obito became the Ten-Tails' jinchuriki.JOA20 (talk) 07:37, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
Probably even before. Remember that half of Obito's upper body is a White Zetsu goo, meaning Hashirama's cells. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:29, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
You are mistaken. The first time Kakashi stabbed Obito's heart, it indeed was a genjutsu. Afterwards, Kakashi stabbed his heart for real. The seal was applied onto Obito's old heart. A new heart obviously has grown because Hash regen + all the Shinju stuff.--Elveonora (talk) 13:44, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Deceased? Edit

Are we sure that he is actually dead? Madara said that he was "no more", but this could be because Black Zetsu has completely possessed his body. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 11:56, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should list him as "Presumed Deceased" for now. --Chrillbill (talk) 12:01, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
He was close to death so many times that I think it would be best to label him as presumably deceased for now--Elveonora (talk) 12:17, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Hell at this point I would go with Incapacitated. He's not supposed to die at all until Black Zetsu is removed form him right?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:19, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
I guess. I still expect him now that he has both eyes to unlock his "true" power, overwhelm BZ (again) awake his own Rinnegan and pull out a redemption card.--Elveonora (talk) 12:26, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Gods I hope not. He already redeemed himself when he was having inappropriate relations with Madara's colon and saving Naruto.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:34, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

I also think he should be listed as presumed deceased. Munchvtec (talk) 12:39, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Incapacitated or Presumed Deceased, that's what I'd go with.--JOA20 (talk) 13:17, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Wasn't Black Zetsu only keeping Obito alive in the first place so he could retrieve Madara's Rinnegan, which happened last chapter? Thus I don't think he's alive anymore, and Black Zetsu is just using his body as a meat puppet. Also Obito wasn't breathing, his eye was closed too.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:55, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Didn't he say something like "Obito will remain alive as long as I'm bonded with him" earlier? He's certainly out cold right now, I don't think he's actually dead. His redemption will still be milked a bit more. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:09, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Obito already did his part, he saved and helped power up Naruto. Black Zetsu needed to keep Obito alive long enough for him to retrieve Madara's Rinnegan, which has happened. Then we see this chapter that Black Zetsu says Obito's gone, he isn't breathing and his eye is closed. Pretty clear cut that he's dead.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 00:01, May 15, 2014 (UTC)
Ok I'm confused, in the Return of Madara Arc section, it's stated he died when Madara took his eye, and that BZ took over his corpse, yet his status is "Incapacitated"? I can't change his status since someone has prevented it from getting edited. --Chrillbill (talk) 05:01, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
He's pretty clearly not dead. Kishi wouldn't off-screen a death of a major character and it was also stated that as long as Black Zetsu is attached, he's alive. Also, if Black Zetsu could control a corpse of Obito, he wouldn't have kept him alive for so long. It's clear that he needs him living, with chakra still circulating to use his powers. Kenny U (talk) Kenny U

He clearly is dead, Zetsu speaks of him in the past tense. Zetsu was keeping Obito alive for as long as his body would hold out. Essentially, he was maximising the potential but potential reaches an end point at some point or other, and it has. Pesa123456789 (talk) 17:03, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

You are kidding yourself if you seriously think Kishi would seriously kill a major character off-screen without so much as a flashback. You're as bad as those people who honestly thought Bee was dead.--Kenny U (talk) 23:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
The correct status to put on the wikia is incapacitated because we have no confirmation about his death. But obviously Obito is still alive, Kishimoto would not ever kill a main character off panel, especially not a tragic one as Obito needing of a closure for his life: the accomplishment of his "mission" to save the world and pathos scenes of reconciliation, where the main heroes will end to consider him again a full comrade. More, Madara has just admitted him to be the responsible for the tragedies of his life and the death of his most loved person: there is a classic clichè in the fictions when the bad guy reveal manipulations/wrongdoings toward a main good guy because arrogantly sure to have already won, in the end the victim get his payback becoming responsible for the persecutor's fall. Without cut anything to the future performances of Naruto and Sasuke able to save the world, we can expect that Obito will get just a parallel role to them--JK88 (talk) 17:35, May 23, 2014 (UTC)

Given that he wasn't affected by Infinte Tsukuyomi, I think Obito should be considered dead, since it affected even those who were sleeping. I see no reason to consider that he can be alive in some way. Abe 18:18,5/25/2014

And I'm making a decision to end this pointless argument. Zetsu stated that as long as he remains bonded to Obito, he remains alive. So "Incapacitated" is the appropriate designation as far as the information we have goes. When we're told he's dead or when Black Zetsu leaves him and we see him die, we'll list him as dead. Keep in mind that Might Guy was supposed to die, for all intents and purposes, when the Eight Gates expired, and Kishi "plotted" him to remain alive, so the same can still happen to Obito. That is all. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:33, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

So, someone decided to claim him dead :D I see the Kirabi case didn't teach you anything, guys. Obito won't die until he has proper resolve, it's obvious from the story point of view. Don't claim anything until stated. BZ never stated Obito would IMMEDIATELY die the moment he separates from him.Faust-RSI (talk) 08:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Black Zetsu said he was the only thing keeping Obito alive, so to me at least everything points to him being dead, and I think we should list him as "Deceased" for now, and if for some reason he would wake up and be fine later (which would make no sense) then we change it back. --Chrillbill (talk) 08:41, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

I doubt he is dead yet. He didn't even get his flashbacks. --Costeavladalexandru (talk) 09:49, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

@Costeavladalexandru Oh, we've seen more than enough flashbacks of young Obito, Rin and Kakashi. We've already seen what needs to be seen from Obito's past. --Chrillbill (talk) 09:59, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Black Zetsu did say that, but I find it rather unlikely that Obito is either dead, or will remain so for a long time. There was way too much talk about eyes working better as pair for both his Sharingan not being used for something greater. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 11:36, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

It should be presumed deceased for now, people who think Kishi would actually kill off a major character without closure don't know a thing about this manga. Also, there's a reason he wields both his eyes now.--Kenny U (talk) 11:49, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Obviously he's dead now. He took a kunai to the hand without regaining consciousness. He wasn't affected by Infinite Tsukuyomi. Black Zetsu explicitly called him dead. He's deceased.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:14, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
No he didn't, Black Zetsu said he was "no more" which could mean a lot of things. Look, he obviously has a role to fill in the narrative since he is one of only 5 people in the world in the vicinity of Kaguya. Until we get real confirmation, don't infer anything ok? We've been over this time and time again, and the exact same argument was made after 656 when Obito used Rinne Tensei. It's better to just wait. --Kenny U (talk) 23:21, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
In this case, I'd have to agree. Black Zetsu did say those things, but Kishi is painstakingly attempting to keep Obito in the story. If he was dead, there would've been no reason for Kakashi to "save" him from falling into a river of magma, nor to continue calling out to him in the chapter prior. Kishi still has plans for Obito that may or may not involve death. We should simply put Incapacitated and wait for clarity. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 23:28, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
...then why wasn't he affected by Mugen Tsukuyomi? Why didn't getting a KUNAI JAMMED IN HIS HAND wake him out? Why didn't the heat of the volcano wake him up? Seriously, everything points to Obito being dead.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:18, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
  1. Because you need to have your eyes opened for that. He was unconscious.
  2. Because he was knocked out cold. Have you ever been knocked unconscious? I have. Twice. You don't wake up until your body tells you to wake up. If he's in a comma, which is worse, even getting the lava on him wouldn't have woken him up.
In conclusion, you don't know what you're talking about. At all. We don't know that he's dead, so we're not saying so. Capish? Good. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 02:51, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
...even unconscious and sleeping people were affected by Mugen Tsukuyomi though. Yamato who was still unconscious inside Spiral Zetsu was taken in. Sleeping people were still taken in. The light from Mugen Tsukuyomi penetrated everything living except for Sasuke's Susano'o which provided a defense. If Obito was alive, he'd have been affected to like everyone else around the world.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:50, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
The argument on why he is alive is mainly one based on logic and an understanding on how Kishi writes his story. Kishi did not contrive a way to bring Obito to the final fight only for him to just be a corpse and serve no purpose. He did not have both Naruto and Kakashi show concern for his overall safety and save him if they knew he was dead (Naruto especially would react differently to a corpse than he would a living person). Furthermore there is a gap of time between Madara revealing his involvement in Rin's death and him and Obito returning from the Kamui dimension that is still unaccounted for. Anything could have happened during that time, including Madara putting Obito in a deep genjutsu (the last panels of them in the Kamui dimension feature Madara using the sharingan in a similar way Obito did to Kakashi when he genjutsu'd him) which would have made him avoid the Mugen Tsukuyomi. I bet you assumed he was dead after 636 when Madara tried to force him to use Rinne Tensei, or in 656 when he actually used Rinne Tensei, or even during many times after that. In situations like this it is best to wait for actual confirmation from the manga and not make assumptions like many have done in the past, please try to understand this time. --Kenny U (talk) 22:47, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Guess now we can finally put this discussion to rest right? Next time, can everyone not jump to conclusions? It's best if we wait for official confirmation rather than vague statements from Black Zetsu.--Kenny U (talk) 13:32, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

kirigakure Edit

how was obito uchiha affiliated with kirigakure??? (Sharoze001 (talk) 22:03, May 14, 2014 (UTC))

He controlled Kirigakure via Yagura for an undisclosed amount of time. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:09, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Both eyes? Edit

Did he gets his right eye back? It's hard to tell if that's Black Zetsu's eye or his own. --Mandon (talk) 22:31, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

BZ does if you want to get technical--Elveonora (talk) 22:50, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Obito Falling Edit

OBito's body did not fall to the ground only as stated here " Obito died as a result as his body fell to the ground, much to the chagrin of a solemn Kakashi." He actually teleported with the others. You can see ned to the waterfall (lava fall lol?) behind Kaguya. —This unsigned comment was made by Rex-05 (talkcontribs) on 08:38, June 4, 2014 (UTC).

This is true, Obito is seen falling along side the others, and I highly doubt it's for him to just plop into a vat of lava. --Kenny U (talk) 11:53, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

New infobox pic Edit

I don't really like that his current one is so close-up, so what you say about this? --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:02, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

That's a lot better... the current one is too zoomed in on his face. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 15:48, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
I agree with you on that. I'll just change it, can always be reverted if someone thinks otherwise --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 15:51, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
And to finish, one person chiming in is not enough. I am neutral on changing the image. Give other people a chance to voice their opinion and then have at it.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:03, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
That is why I said it could always be reverted later. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 18:05, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
The current one is better in my opinion.--Elveonora (talk) 20:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
I prefer the previous one. Norleon (talk) 22:11, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
Why if I may ask Norleon? :) --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 23:17, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

The proposed one is terrible in overall image quality. EDIT: If the photo must be changed to something less close up, however, I can start finding more options for you guys to choose from, starting with this. --Mandon (talk) 06:36, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Because I prefer close-up images for infoboxes, maybe with a bit of the shoulder area shown at best. Also, with the previous one, we have a perspective that shows his face in a frontal view while in the new one, he looks a bit sidewards.
The second proposal is even less an option in my opinion, Obito looks too stereotypical evil on it. Norleon (talk) 11:18, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
There was a pic someone put on the infobox recently, think it was from Chrillbill (excuse spelling typos in that :P) that looked decent. Can't remember when it was, but it was fairly recently... --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 12:15, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
You mean this one? --Chrillbill (talk) 12:54, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
The one from Chrillbill, is better than the one from Mandon, from my point of view at least. But still prefer the one I uploaded, even though it is a bit sideways. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 13:41, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

How about this one then? It's further away than the current, bit still closer than my previous suggestion. It has a better angle than the one from Mandon. And it is a bit like the one from Chrillbill, except both his arms are down who he doesn't look so big. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:35, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that one looks pretty good Kasan. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 21:53, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
Great, think I'll wait to change it this time though, until more responds. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 21:56, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
 Support — Yeah, your last uploaded image is the best for Obito. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 22:47, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Changed the infobox pic for now. It's a fuller view on the character that is a more accurate depiction of his design as it shows his colors as well. However I think the pic I uploaded may have been a tad too small. If you're more experienced with uploading HD profile pics, you could pull the same frame on episode 372 (at 7:29) and re-upload it better. --Kenny U (talk) 14:38, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

And reverted, because you have no consensus. I'm also going to say this to all people: stop changing Obito's infobox image every single god-damn week, pick ONE and keep it that way. The constant need of changing it every single time a new episode is released is now getting ridiculous and disruptive. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:11, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
Oh dang, my bad. Sorry about all that. In that case, can we vote on changing it? In my opinion, the current one looks kinda... off. It could just be me, and if that's the case we should keep it, but my current proposal is that we change it to a more appropriately sized version of the one I foolishly tried to push forward without a consensus. --Kenny U (talk) 15:29, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Abilities he didn't use? Edit

Wait, Obito didn't use most of the paths, right? Did he use the absorption soul technique? He didn't use the asura path or any of the path techniques other than the Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique right?Maybe the summoning of the gedo mazo counts as the animal paths, but this wiki is noting techniques he didn't use or claim to be able to use.--Deathmailrock (talk) 18:33, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Those who possess the Rinnegan can use the Six Paths Technique. Anyway, Obito stated that he could use the Human Path on Yamato, plus he used at least the Outer Path to control the six reincarnated jinchūriki and to resurrect Madara.--JOA20 (talk) 18:52, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
Madara taught him Six Paths Technique, not Two Paths Technique--Elveonora (talk) 19:06, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

So far we can't say if Obito was alive or dead. Edit

The page state with certainty that Obito died after his last conversation with Madara/falling without Black Zetsu inside him, but actually it's pretty possible that he remained only uncoscious after that his body was controlled by the villains. The words of Black Zetsu depicting his status weren't never been able to give a clear answer (indeed the wikia mentioned him presumed deceased), just as the actions of Kakashi protecting Obito's body from the falling into the lava made think more to the Uchiha being still alive than to Kakashi preserving him for the later intervention of Naruto (when the copyninja hasn't still realized the powers of the boy just as everyone). In addition this chapter gives no evidence if Naruto is healing or reviving him. So I want just say that would be better to talk just about Naruto treating Obito (with the Uchiha giving evidence to be still alive), for postponing a clear statement about an heal or a revive only after to have got more info from the next chapters.--JK88 (talk) 13:24, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It's very clear that he's alive. --Mandon (talk) 20:40, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Indeed. Based on the panel with Naruto touching him, he makes a sound. He appears to just be incredibly weak. But Naruto also puts his hand on Obito, and we know what that did to Gai. So maybe Naruto did something. Regardless, he (Obito) is quite alive. --Taynio (talk) 20:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuoKNZjr8_U Yay! Now we may finally get his second or third (at this point) redemption story.--Elveonora (talk) 21:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Obito has never got his redemption, for it he has to do something active for the save of the world as he wished in the past: returning to his old himself or an eventual mass resurrection were already stated not being things able to accomplish it. Obito rescuing the life of Naruto was the only element that could be seen as a real "world saving", but Obito's promise made to Rin, the foreshadowing of the potential of the two eyes, the last conversation with Madara and the likely parallel of Obito and Madara with Hagoromo and Hamura fighting for saving the world from the Juubi, presuppose a future development involving more actively Obito (and Madara too). More, the importance of Obito's future partecipation to the events has to be seen also under a more general point of view: Hagoromo's philosophy is that the peace is possible only through the collaboration and now very likely we will see people tied by conflictual relationships during all their lifetime (Naruto, Sasuke, Obito, Kakashi, Minato, Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, in general Uchiha/Indra successors and Senjuu/Ashura successors) doing it through their common efforts against Kaguya, in the process demonstrating so that a mutual understanding is possible.
But by the way all this has nothing to do with my post, I wanted just to put in evidence that it's not clear if Naruto is healing or reviving Obito (and consequently if Obito was or less dead before).--JK88 (talk) 10:25, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

English Voice ActorEdit

Where's the source that it's Vic Mignogna voicing him in Revolution? From what I've been told, he and Shisui aren't in the credits, and it sounds nothing like Vic in the game. {{SUBST:User:Sanji The Cook/sig}} 01:52, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, the voice actor sounds nothing like Vic. It sounds more like Todd Haberkorn. MoonKingGuy (talk) 02:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, there is a distinct "Death the Kid" vibe I'm getting from that voice. (TenshoDama96 (talk) 02:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC))

Is that all you're going on is the fact that he sounds like Todd? That's not an official confirmation.. as likely as it might be. EDIT -- Nevermind he confirmed it on his twitter. --Mandon (talk) 09:05, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Shukaku and Gyuuki Edit

Why Obito is listed as their Jinchuuriki? As far as I am remember Naruto was considered their Jinchuuriki because they were a Chakra with a conscious inside of him--MERCURIOUS (talk) 17:57, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Because it was him who gave Shukaku and Gyūki to Naruto?--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 18:02, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
They were just Chakra with no conscious. In Minato's case, we only considered him a Jinchuuriki when Yin-Kurama manifested itself inside of him. I don't think this happened with Obito.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 18:19, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
No no it didn't. I can't argue for nor can I argue against. So if you wish to remove it, I say you are free to do so until someone comes flying in screaming.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
Pro-tip: These are the same pieces of chakra inside Naruto, who can talk and make chakra of their own. He may have had them briefly, but he did, in fact, have them. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 18:27, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
Isn't Obito case the same as Kinkaku and Ginkaku, they also had Kurama's chakra but with no conscious.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 18:37, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
To explain further, the One and Eight-Tails didnt show any consciousness until they started speaking inside Naruto.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:40, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
True, but if they were incapable of consciousness in Obito they couldn't just 'gain' consciousness in Naruto. Nobody and nothing has stated or even discretely implied that Naruto being Naruto is what allowed them to gain consciousness. Maybe they just didn't feel like talking to Obito because... I dunno, the same reason they don't talk to Naruto unless he needs them. At the end of the day, we could always list him as a pseudo-jinchūriki if you really want to. --Atrix471 (talk) 18:52, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

"Seeing this topic, I shake my head in awe and then quietly depart from the premises" I still disagree that Naruto is a jinchuuriki of 1-8 Tailed Beasts--Elveonora (talk) 20:07, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Why? I mean, what would you classify as a jinchūriki? He can use their chakra, they have full sentience and their shared presence within him culminates in the Six Paths Sage technique. I don't see how he is anything but their jinchūriki. They exist separately, can help him separately, and have individual sentience, so he is the jinchūriki of all of them. --Atrix471 (talk) 20:11, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
Because they are still inside Kaguya. Also Shadow Clones are conscious too and you don't consider them a separate entity.--Elveonora (talk) 20:19, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, no. Not again. This has already been resolved, despite Elve's continued persistence. Back on topic or let it drop. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 20:20, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
Middle finger in the face =/= resolved. But if that's the language used here, so be it--Elveonora (talk) 20:22, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Obito just took the Chakra of Shukaku and Gyuuki and passed them to Naruto, although he had them for minutes the Chakra didn't show any sentience, while they showed it inside Naruto. We don't know why only inside Naruto they showed consciousnesses, it maybe something Hagoromo did but we don't know. In Narutopedia, what define a Jinchuuriki is that he must have a Tailed Beast Chakra and that Chakra must have the appearance and must have a consciousnesses, and a pseudo-jinchuuriki is someone who have a Tailed Beast Chakra only and must be able to use in a way (like Kinkaku and Ginkaku). Obito didn't show these characteristic with Shukaku's and Gyuuki's Chakra at all.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 23:59, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

The definitions were twisted to no end just to suit some fanon theories of certain editors around here about Tailed Beast cloning and "no thing such as the true Tailed Beast" and other nonsense. A jinchuuriki is someone who has a Tailed Beast sealed inside of him/her, while a pseudo-jinchuuriki is someone who has Tailed Beast chakra, but not Tailed Beast itself. But herp derp, the said editors came up with "omg consciousness, shit, means Naruto's jinchuuriki of all, there's 18 Tailed Beasts now, omg" just because they spoke. And when i bring a valid point, I get ignored and told to **** off just because I'm a thorn in the ego of said people who came up with the nonsense but refuse to admit their own fallacy. These are the facts:
  • The Tailed Beasts save Yin Kurama are still inside of Kaguya, therefore they can't be inside of Naruto, check
  • Shadow Clones, chakra Minato and Kushina, Orochimaru, Hagoromo and so confirm that pieces of chakra can be conscious
  • That doesn't mean a piece of conscious chakra is the real character

The 8 "Tailed Beasts" inside of Naruto are no different than Minato and Kushina and their will perish once their chakras are spent up.--Elveonora (talk) 11:45, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

You get told to **** off because you will sit back and twist as hard as you can muster talking Nine-Tails in Minato means he's a jinchuriki but damned if talking One, Four, Five, and Nine in Naruto means he's a jinchuriki. Until such a time your theory is proven correct and the tailed beasts do in fact vanish completely when their chakra is spent, do everyone a favor, yourself included, and shut it.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:51, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
@MERCURIOUS: Yes, those traits weren't seen in Obito at all. Nor where they in Naruto until he met the Sage. Lovely food for thought I am sure.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:53, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
How about you do me a favor and remove speculation until proven that they are real?--Elveonora (talk) 12:13, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3: So, what about removing Shukaku and Gyuuki from his infobox?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 15:42, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Presumed Deceased? Edit

In chapter 686, apparently he dies by sacrificing himself. Shall we classify him as Presumed Deceased for now? --TheTobi (talk) 12:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

In a week it'll be "Deceased", so how about we just wait?--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 12:33, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
You're right about waiting. For all we know, Naruto is going save Obito's life again.—Steveo920 (Talk) 8:39, July 23, 2014

Latest chapter note Edit

I noticed in this weeks chapter Obito gave both his eyes to Kakashi, and seemed fully aware of what this would do (give Kakashi his powers and a Susanoo). I think it's worth noting in his dojutsu area that while he never used it on-screen, his eyes were capable of a Susaoo.

The logical reason I can give for him not using it on screen was that we know he was dying from his messed up life force, and using the Susanoo would have been less viable than his Kamui.

Just a footnote mind. If Kakashi's Susanoo can be listed in the Susanoo page, I think we should call it the Kakashi/Obito Susanoo, since it's Obito's eyes the ability comes from, hence, it being Obitos.

Physical resemblance to Naruto Edit

I can't help but notice Obito looks remarkably like Naruto when he was a child. Should we make note of that in his appearance section?—Steveo920 (Talk) 20:21, August 12, 2014

No. They don't look that much alike. Naruto resembles like a lot of characters. Unless a character in the manga notes their similarities appearance-wise, it's unneeded information. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 01:44, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Obito was clearly designed as Uchiha counterpart to Naruto. About mentioning resemblance, well, at most we should mention that they both wore goggles, similar color scheme, same goal, similar personality etc.--Elveonora (talk) 10:46, August 13, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Edit

Time for another one of these before an edit war comes about. We can discuss original or this one? I don't understand where the consensus of the original being the absolute definitive we use comes from, but as someone who's been against it from the start, let me explain why I think it's inherently a flawed image and shouldn't be used.

- Sloppy artwork - Bad angle - His eyes are bulging out.

Now, since Obito will be the mortally wounded & then the Jinchuriki in the next episode he appears in, there won't be any new opportunities to change it. The new image has better lighting, it showcases his hair properly, which is supposed to be more spiky than wavy, his expression is normal and calm, and his eyes aren't bulging out. Overall it represents his character far better than the original, which, quite frankly is a terrible image and never should have been an option, as I've stated before --Mandon (talk) 22:04, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

This single character has had his image changed 3 times in the past 3 months. The current one is fine.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 22:07, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

The suggested image is much better than the one that is up right now. Ultimate you shouldn't disparage something that can improve the article. I am in support of the suggested image.--Narutofox94 (talk) 22:32, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

The issue TU3 (and others, including myself) have is that every time a closeup of an anime character shows up in the recent episode, people feel the need to change it all the time. This isn't the first time this has happened, and this isn't the only character page that has gone through this tedious process. There is no point in constantly changing an infobox image when people feel like it. We have to come to a consensus on the image, and maintain it, unless the previous image is so bad/irrelevant that it has to be changed. I'm not targeting any one person, and I don't wanna sound angry, but the constant picture changing is annoying. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 22:41, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
What WindStar said. The infobox image on multiple character articles is being changed every single time the next episode is released and it's now disruptive. We can change the image at a later date but not right now. Do something more interesting for the wiki, like improving articles, instead of bickering over an image in an infobox. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 22:47, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Okay then so all you're saying is basically this.

In spite of the pros

- Better lighting - Better angle - Better image - More attractive in the article

you don't want to change it because we change it too much? I'm sorry but with all due respect that's a very weak argument and a terrible reason to be against an all around superior image, no matter how much it's changed. Additionally, the image couldn't be changed again from the proposed unless everyone comes to an agreement that white haired Obito is acceptable in the infobox, which I guarantee won't happen, so if we do change it this will be the final image. What logical reason is there not to use it if there's a significant leap in visual quality? --Mandon (talk) 23:11, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with Ultimate, Windstar, and Spey on this one. This conversation pops up on multiple talk pages every damn week, usually by the same user (or group of users), and its getting old very fast. The current picture is fine and the issues you've outlined with it are more an issue personal taste rather than actual problems with the image. Its high time we pick an image for these characters and keep it that way. We don't have to change the image everytime a new close up is provided. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:17, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

There won't be any new images, like I've pointed out several times already.. there won't be any new images of Obito available. Additionally, the image has only been changed twice, once from Kid Obito to a more close-up adult image and then to this. People attempting to randomly change the image only for it to get reversed don't count. I just don't feel like the current image is at all suitable to permanently represent the character, and so far none of you have presented any legitimate reasons as to why the proposed image isn't suitable besides 'we change it too much.' We haven't, so that argument is null. --Mandon (talk) 23:21, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Coincidentally, it recently has always been you, @Mandon, that wants to change infobox images because you don't like them. If we allow any user to whimsically change infobox images, it would be chaotic (edit wars, arguments, etc.). The image is fine, as long as it displays a character's first appearance in Part I or II and whatever requirements there is for infobox images. The current image is not terrible nor unneeded. No need to change it every time you see a good closeup in every new anime episode (which is feeling like every doggone week now). Like Spey said, do other things on the wiki, not change (or request changing) infobox images whenever you feel like it. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 23:30, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it our job as wiki editors to choose an image that's the most aesthetically pleasing in an article? If not, you guys really should examine your priorities because the sheer fact that people, including myself have been trying to change it often should not be a deciding factor in this. If you have an issue with the image, that's one thing, but so far you've raised no arguments on which image is better suited in the infobox, which should be the only deciding factor in this, not whether or not the current image is suitable by the standards of the site. Ask yourself, is the image better? Then ask yourselves again, is it really a big deal if it's changed one more time if the article benefits from it? --Mandon (talk) 23:30, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Emphasis on OUR JOB to choose images, not your job. We must reach a consensus. The consensus is, we don't change the image. The constant changing is pointless. Period. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 23:35, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Emphasis on the fact that if I didn't care about your opinions, I would have continued trying to change it despite all the reverts until I get banned. I'm just trying to help you see a different point of view so you can maybe see where I'm coming from here. You can understand why choosing an inferior image just because you think we change it too often [despite only changing it twice] doesn't make sense right? With that being said, it doesn't matter what you're reasons are, and you're right, if there's a majority consensus it doesn't matter what I think, but I still think it's a worthwhile investment of my time to at least try to weigh the pros and cons to help anybody reading this can formulate an opinion on the matter.

But alas, to beat a dead horse and repeat myself for the fourth time on the matter.. we don't change the image constantly nor has it been changed constantly. It's been changed twice. These are facts. --Mandon (talk) 00:35, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

You're missing the point. We are not talking about one specific instance with an infobox image being changed, we're talking about multiple instances with multiple character infobox images that are being changed every week because one user (or a group of users) don't like the current images in place. Every time when a new anime episode is out, and displays closeups of characters' faces, whether it be Madara, Sasuke, Nagato, not just Obito, infobox images have to be changed because one or a few people out of many editors (who aren't even rollbacks or sysops) don't like them. Now where is the sense in that? I'll reiterate what Spey said: Spend time doing other things on the wiki. Stop worrying about infobox images and work on improving articles, and make yourself a better contributor. And no, this is not a worthwhile investment, it is redundant and a waste of time. No offense, but you and other editors making big deals out of little things such as images need to find a hobby. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 01:01, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
Kinda contradictory saying we should focus on improving the article when the infobox image is part of said article. Does it REALLY matter about the image changing? It just sounds like you guys are just sick of seeing these discussions, but sometimes better images of characters do appear. The image should reflect the character as best as it can and the proposed image does so better than the current one. Basically put do we always see Obito bulging his eyes out? No we don't so it needs to be changed. The image that is currently being used was the best one we had at the time and so this site had to use it. Though now we have a better one and you are opposed to it because you don't want to change it. Also Windstar about editors concerning about images, it's pretty damn important. Naruto is a manga and manga is very image heavy, it's as important as the dialogue that goes with it. A wiki article is dependent on images at times, a point being jutsu articles. It would look awful without a image of said jutsu.--Narutofox94 (talk) 03:33, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

It's not that I condone constantly trying to replace high quality images with inferior ones simply because of some kind of addiction to change, which is the reason I feel so many people have tried to edit, as an example, Sasuke's PT2 infobox image even though the current one is high res and perfect. With that being said, we're at a junction in the anime where Perriot consistently half-asses a lot of the artwork on a lot of characters. leading to deformities.. especially on Obito, due to his scar. So for characters introduced during this time, such as Obito, it's a rare opportunity to get an image that actually matches the level of quality found in various other character articles, but these opportunities happen and it feels wasteful to not take advantage of them simply because of what other people [including myself admittedly] have done. --Mandon (talk) 04:27, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

You said it yourself though, regardless of whether you feel the image is the best for the job, someone will come along thinking otherwise and try to have it changed, just as in your Sasuke example. We're at a point were things are changing but also winding down. Obito's no longer in the manga and pretty soon he'll look different in the show, but until then people will constantly be trying to change his Infobox image to ones they feel are better. The same is true for Madara and will likely be true for Kaguya, Hagoromo and all the other recent manga characters when they appear in the anime. At this point it makes more sense to stick with what we've got, wait until he undergoes his change and then open it up for debate one last time instead of doing it on and off like we do now.--Soul reaper (talk) 04:49, August 15, 2014 (UTC)
@Madon: And we're not changing it because that was the majority consensus. This is not going to turn into a pissing match about what our "greater duty" as editors should be. The picture shows Obito in a form all fans can recognize, in his unmasked state, facing the camera and displaying his well-known dōjutsu. The lighting is fine, not nearly as terrible as you try to make it seem. His eyes are not "bulging", they are open, which, again displays his signature dōjutsu in a decent manner. The quality of the image is also fine for an infobox image. @Narutofox94: Please don't over dramatize things. The article is not suffering from the current image. It is not detracting from the page. It is literally the preference of one or two users to continue changing his image (and the images of others) every time they get something they perceive as better, which, as you've seen today, is not sitting well with a good majority of the community. Move onto other more important things now. The image will remain until such a time that the majority of the users on this site feel that it should be changed. No more comments are needed after this. The discussion is closed. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 04:51, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

The discussion doesn't close just because you say it does, there are still other editors on here besides us. Regardless of the fact that more people may not chime in. Yes, the image is technically suitable, but a better one has arisen and so far you guys have presented absolutely no reasons to keep the current image other than, "People need to stop trying to change it, the current image is suitable enough!" Who cares if it is? The initial image of Adult Obito was also suitable, yet we changed it. Why? Because it was an improvement and the current image was the best at the time, and now it isn't.. that's sort of how infobox images work, they change and update as newer and better ones arise. If you don't feel like the proposed is an improvement, then feel free to express why.. otherwise I'll gladly point out how weak your argument is so people just finding this discussion can decide which is the better course of action.. if they don't, then as you said it's done. As for what Soul reaper said.. that's not really going to happen. This is it, after Obito appears again Kakashi will stab him, his hair will go white and he'll become the TTJ, and as such there will be no more options unless a full anime remake comes out 10+ years from now. What's honestly the harm in replacing the current image when a better one is released, and there will be no more options from here on out? And that's my final thought on the matter. --Mandon (talk) 05:09, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

The problem with changing it is that quiet a few people don't think it is better, including me. Yes maybe his eyes are a bit better in yours, but it's not like it's bad in the other one. And the light in yours a truly bad, he looks ill. And as it has been said countless times before, the current one is fine, no need for change. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 08:08, August 15, 2014 (UTC)

The problem with the current one is that it's shot at an odd angle (he's hunched over), the signature eye pattern is drawn incorrectly (Kamui is supposed to look like a shuriken, not a propeller), and it's not in as full a view of Obito's portrait. Can we just agree to change it one final time? The one uploaded is brighter, is in the Kamui dimension (something that is synonymous with the character), and is generally shot at an angle that seems more profile like. It also looks closer to his manga incarnation which is important. I understand why you guys are so annoyed with the constant changes, but this will likely be the last one no matter what, because Obito is losing this design very soon in the anime and will go into Juubi Jinchuriki form. At that point, no one will suggest anymore replacements, so why not make this last change? --Kenny U (talk) 17:55, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

To play devil's advocate, Kenny.. you can't at all see Obito's mangekyo when it's downsized for the infobox. In any case the community made their decision and their decision is no, so it's best just to leave it, even though I agree with you for the most part. --Mandon (talk) 18:48, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

Restoring the Legacy section Edit

I wish to restore the legacy section for this page. Of course, I cut out a lot of the unnecessary information, and I will continue to do so to make sure it is perfect. I feel Obito is a character who warrants a legacy section because his actions had a profound affect on the world of Naruto. --Kenny U (talk) 15:32, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Why was it removed? What good reason is there for it to be removed? I think it's fine when it was there. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 16:37, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

As he was essentially dead for most of the series (to everyone but himself and Zetsu), I do believe he warrants a legacy section to highlight the effects left on Kakashi's life.
Anything beyond that however, no.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 16:53, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
That's why we can title it "Legacy & Influence" or simply "Influence", you know. Xfing (talk) 10:19, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Ten-Tails' Jinchūriki Edit

Could somebody with permission change Shinju to Ten-Tails in the infobox?--BeyondRed (talk) 05:57, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

ask an admin, you see know if dumb asses just stopped messing with pages like this then permission wouldnt be needed. Munchvtec (talk) 06:35, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

In my honest opinion, just because someone once changes a character's infobox image isn't a good reason to lock the page--Elveonora (talk) 10:07, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

I completely agree. I didn't even know the page was blocked until I tried to do what he asked. Munchvtec (talk) 13:02, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's jinchuriki color. Edit

Hi, everyone. I just noticed about Obito's transformation color. Obviously the special colored chapter of him becoming jinchuriki colored him I think purplish-grey. Apparently, Obito's color transformation is green or light green. And it's been confirmed in the manga on one of the volume's cover. This could be the same issue as Sasuke's Rinnegan. Can I change edit and add this information? And Should we write a trivia about it? Thank you. THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 18:39, September 18, 2014 (UTC).

It's white in the manga too--Elveonora (talk) 19:32, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Really? When?? THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 20:07, September 18, 2014 (UTC).

Volume covers. It's not green there but white/grayish, the green is just lighting/shadowing--Elveonora (talk) 20:10, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

You mean this? [1]. THANKYOU Small brother (talk) 20:18, September 18, 2014 (UTC).

Yes, that's just lighting. Chapter 652 cover shows him clearly white.--Elveonora (talk) 21:10, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's PARENTS? Edit

so i noticed something while i was watching some old episodes ( the obito flashbacks tbh )when obito was in his room looking at rin's photos there's a picture of 2 people there . Could they be Obito's parents? . If yes then i think we should create a page for both of them--Cassie122 (talk) 19:03, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Nothing confirms that.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 19:05, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
you sure? because the man look like Obito so he could be his father--Cassie122 (talk) 19:25, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
He could even be his uncle, for all we know.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 19:34, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
I doubt it's his uncle really . An uncle wouldn't act like that tbh . It's more possible that they're his parents . these 2 people are definitely related to Obito so i think we should create a page for them . oh btw they appear on the manga too chapter 603 p9 . i can give you the manga panel if you want --Cassie122 (talk) 19:56, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
Even if those are his parents, we don't know anything about them, except that they are probably dead. Then again, probably. This does not warrant an own article at all. Norleon (talk) 19:59, September 18, 2014 (UTC)
For now, I'd suggest you put the required information on the image's page. If you wish to create a page about them, feel free to do so, but as Norleon said, they don't really warrant an article, so I think it would be deleted right away.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 20:01, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

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