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== Izanami ==
 
   
Since Madara said he would teach him the Six Paths jutsu (listed on the info box), Uchiha Kinjutsu and a Yin-Yang jutsu... Could we infer that Izanami is among the jutsu Obito learnt?
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'''<big>For previous discussions about this character, see also [[Talk:Tobi]] and its archives.</big>'''
 
I'm sure the Kinjutsu wasn't Izanagi because Izanagi would be the Yin-Yang jutsu.
 
 
I thought this would be an interesting avenue of discussion, and something to highlight.
 
 
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 04:04, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Madara has given no indication he knows Izanami, though he probably does. Madara listed the type of techniques he'd teach Obito, he wasn't enumerating each one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:50, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well, as a former leader of the clan and the strongest Uchiha, he is more likely to know, we would list him if Obito used or mentioned it I guess--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:14, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Surely the mention of Uchiha Kinjutsu is an indication that he does. After all, Obito did make it specially clear that his Yin-Yang jutsu (that Madara would've taught him) was Izanami. Yet whilst listing what he would teach Obito, he differentiated between this Yin-Yang jutsu and the Uchiha Kinjutsu.
 
 
Perhaps not definite, however could we make a little note that is is arguably possible? Akin to how we've got Orochimaru's Sage status in a manner that pleases everyone.
 
 
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 15:33, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
We list Madara as a user of Izanagi, so we either remove that or list both also as users of Izanami to be fair. Also something may be both Uchiha Kinjutsu and yin-yang release in one dude, that doesn't have a thing to do with anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:38, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'd think the both option is a good idea, imo.
 
 
That idea came to mind, that he was referring to one jutsu that was a Yin-Yang jutsu and an Uchiha Kinjutsu. However when I saw the page, it looked like he literally listed three distinct things he would teach Obito {Six Paths jutsu; Uchiha Kinjutsu; & a Yin-Yang jutsu}.
 
So that means Uchiha Kinjutsu was something different to Yin-Yang jutsu.
 
The Izanami idea cropped up because by that point in the manga, we were already aware that Izanami was an Uchiha Kinjutsu and that Izanagi was a Yin-Yang jutsu.
 
 
Rather than put Izanagi, we could perhaps list "Uchiha Kinjutsu" to be safe? Though personally I'd go with your Izanami on both articles idea.
 
 
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 03:42, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== "Critically wounded" ==
 
 
The panel dedicated to Obito's Sharingan before he walked into Kakashi's Raikiri indicates he may very well have used a genjutsu. It is speculation at this point in time but so is outright stating he allowed Kakashi to pierce him with this Raikiri.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 10:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
 
:Well, his right side got crushed, heart tends to be on left so I was wondering ._.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:07, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::It's genjutsu though. No matter how powerful he or Hashirama's cells are, nothing indicates that Obito could survive something like that when he was coughing blood after being punched in the stomach. Also note that Kakashi's hand came out of him sans the blood.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Yup, I believe it's a genjutsu too, there's no way the Raiki could destroy his heart completely or that he hadn't have one before that since the boulders couldn't destroy his heart I think as it's more on left not to mention Naruto survived the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:14, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Did Obito really phase through the Raikiri? ==
 
 
They're in the other dimension right? So any wounds Obito receives are real since he can't transport pieces of his body. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think obito phased through because you can tell if you look closer, yes those wounds will be real and maybe he can transport even if he's still in his dimension, but he let kakashi do that so then he could think back to the time when he got rin, and remember obitos' body is like a white zetsus' so the pain or damage wouldn't really affect him --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 15:31, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Transportation and phasing are separate, he is already transported so he can phase--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::And where to would he phase? Don't tell me the real world this time.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:36, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Exactly. He can't avoid attacks in the other dimension though. That's exactly why Naruto and Kakashi were able to wound him in previous chapters --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:39, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:The dimension is big, he can phase anywhere. The reason they could hit him in the other dimension is that while parts of his body are intangible in real world, those transported parts are tangible in the other dimension. He is now fully there tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:41, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That's what I meant. It would be stupid of him to transport his chest to the real world where like 30 enemies still remain to see it as an opportunity to kill him.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:43, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Except that the hole is bleeding so even if he could transport parts of his body in the other dimension the hole wouldn't be bleeding, and it would become whole again as soon as Kakashi pulled his hand back. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sounds logical.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:49, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I think he will just heal back from this, all that junk he was doing and all he was saying and to let himself die like that?? I don't think so. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
After reading the previous debate, I think it is 99% positive Obito is just using a Genjutsu, he has NOT been wounded at all. Thank god.. that would of been a shitty ending to him. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[Usertalk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I agree that it's likely a genjutsu, but my observation was that it's physically impossible for him to phase through the attack with kamui in his own dimension. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 04:40, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I don't see why everyone is making this all so complicated when really, it's simple.
 
 
You see Obito use his Sharingan in one panel, then Kakashi looks shocked, next panel Obito walks into the attack, and then Kakashi sees Rin standing there instead of Obito. He's caught Kakashi in a Genjutsu of the day Rin died. *sigh* There is no need to make it more complicated than it actually is. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 07:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Update to Personality/Ambitions ==
 
 
With 629 revealing the true stimulus for Obito starting the Fourth Shinobi World War, the entire shinobi system, it should be noted somewhere in his personality section as currently the only ambition for his antagonism is for Rin, which played a smaller role than originally believed. Furthermore, he still has yet to express his desire for reuniting with her in the dream world since becoming an adult, so that's speculation in itself. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 20:24, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I thought it to be obvious. There's no such thing as true peace possible in a chaotic world, that's why he wants to live in an illusion. Rin's death was a trigger though. Had she not died under those circumstances, he wouldn't have lost hope for "this" world. More or less, Nagato's philosophy is also what Obito believes.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:35, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Considering like there still many readers that didn't understand that the sentence "You let Rin die" was reffered about the reason for Obito to not return to Konoha also if he was survived (indeed it was Obito's answer to this Kakashi's question), sadly no, it's not obvious...--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 14:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Obito even made it clear that he holds no grudges against Kakashi. There's nothing he could have done, but he was considered a hero while in fact he couldn't even save his friends and keep a promise and the true hero is unknown (Rin), that's why he is a trash just like anybody else that is Fortunate by prospering/living off from others' misfortune etc.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:29, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Obito's age ==
 
Why does Obito still have no age information? Since he is a former classmate of Guy and Kakashi in their youth, if we follow their current age in Shippuden, he should be 30 now actually too. But why there is no age info at his infobox? [[Special:Contributions/125.212.50.94|125.212.50.94]] ([[User talk:125.212.50.94|talk]]) 05:13, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Because people still argue and make wars around this and he is in fact 34 according to manga and databook information.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:33, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Well there could be mistakes regarding with both manga and anime timeline. However only time will tell. [[Special:Contributions/125.212.50.94|125.212.50.94]] ([[User talk:125.212.50.94|talk]]) 15:37, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
If chapter 599's 3 mistakes are excluded then Obito and Rin would be 2 years and 7 months older than Kakashi in manga and databook. If chapter 599 is excluded period, then in manga and databook Obito and Rin are 3 years and 7 months older than Kakashi. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 01:05, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
No your only evidence is the graduation ages elve, you ignored the reg. numbers, and chapter 599 which only had THREE real errors. You ignored the fact that Itachi and Kakashi only took 1 year to graduate, while no one else is known to have done it, you also ignored the fact that asuma and gai were chunin when rin shows the congratulate kakashi plan knowing they were 11 and 12 meaning kakashi was 11, obito was 13 at kanabi bridge thats a fact and rins scene with the paper was right before the gaiden, jonin sensei's can withhold any of their students from chunin exams for as long as they see fit or if they fail one the jonin can prevent them from taking another until he/she feels they are ready. You seem to not want to accept that either. Kurenais reg. number is right near rins who is near obitos, and the smallest a graduating class has been known as is 36. naruto and sasuke entered academy at 5 and graduated at 12, so did the rest of the konoha 9, kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than itachi, who was 4 in the third war, before it ended, and was 5 when obito attacked konoha. How many facts need to be thrown at you before you realize your ONE evidence of grad ages is not a deciding factor?? [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 04:53, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Ages and facts. ==
 
 
Mind you, there are 36 graduates(ShounenSuki said at least) from the academy each time and ninja registration numbers are what a ninja is given when they pass the academy and become genin, getting their pics taken and reg. number given.
 
Mind you ShounenSuki told me this a some time ago.
 
 
Here are the facts
 
 
Now Kakashi Graduated the Academy in only one year and was then given his reg. number upon becoming genin.
 
The rest did not graduate in one year.
 
Asuma and Gai were chunin in chapter 599 when rin shows her plan.
 
Obito was 13 at Kanabi Bridge which took place very very soon after Rins plan was shown.
 
Itachi was 4 in the 3rd war, most likely near the end which the Kanabi bridge incident was near. Itachi was 5 when obito atacked konoha. Kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than Itachi and he was 14 years and 25 days during the nine Tails Attack.
 
 
The evidence here stacks up evenly, making Kakashi 11 when he became a Jonin, making him 2 years and 7 months younger than Obito and Rin.
 
 
 
Kakashi Hatake
 
Birthdate September 15
 
Age Part I: 26-27
 
Part II: 29-30
 
Ninja Registration 009720
 
Academy Grad. Age 5
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 6
 
 
Might Gai
 
Birthdate January 1
 
Age Part I: 26-27
 
Part II: 30
 
Ninja Registration 010252
 
Academy Grad. Age 7
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 11
 
 
Asuma Sarutobi
 
Birthdate October 18
 
Age Part I: 27-28
 
Part II: 31
 
Ninja Registration 010829
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 12
 
 
Kurenai Yuuhi
 
Birthdate June 11
 
Age Part I: 27-28
 
Part II: 31
 
Ninja Registration 010881
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 13
 
 
Rin Nohara
 
Birthdate November 15
 
Ninja Registration 010885
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 11
 
 
Obito Uchiha
 
Birthdate February 10
 
Age Part I: 13 (Kakashi Gaiden)
 
Ninja Registration 010886
 
Academy Grad. Age 9
 
Chūnin Prom. Age 11
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 05:21, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== I just realized something ==
 
 
Obito taught Nagato all of the 6 paths techniques... that means he knows them and now that he has Rinnegan he can use them all too. So I say we add them all to his jutsu list [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 20:55, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
We don't know if "Madara" taught Nagato anything, but take a look at talkpage discussion regarding Madara's comments about teaching Obito six paths technique, meaning both of them can use all 6--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:52, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That is a confusing as to the facts here, as Nagato only was ever shown summoning the gedo and using shinra tensei on a pathetic scale before he became "PAIN" I think after Yahiko's death, he found Tobi again and was willing to learn the rest of the 6 paths techniques all the way. But then again, maybe he was never shown using the techniques then?? But that would not explain Deva Path using shinra tensei to kill Hanzo, which would mean Nagato could of used Bansho tenin and shinra tensei to kill him when they first fought... [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 22:52, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Obito's left part ==
 
   
In the paragraph "body modifications" I think it would be fair to add something about the replacement of his left body's part with the Zetsu materia, like shown us recently when he used Kakashi's chidori to stab his chest and it's possible to see like Obito seems to lack of any organs inside.
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== Obito's Age in Part II ==
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Its clear as to hold old Obito was by the time he got crushed and Kakashi being the same age. Shippuden comes but he doesn't have a age. Is it because of the whole persona thing or what cuz I still believe he should be listed as 31 as of his death. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 03:54, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:Obito's age is a controversial subject, seeing as chapter 599 retconned pretty much everything we know about Kakashi and his classmates' ages.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 04:37, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::How so? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:45, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Kakashi's younger graduation/promotion ages implied he should be younger than Obito and Rin, even though Kakashi Gaiden depicted them as looking about the same age. Then the flashbacks from chapter 599 onwards ignored all of the old graduation ages entirely, and included a bunch of characters who couldn't possibly have been in Kakashi's age group.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 05:05, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::::True the age thing is confusing but still going by birth on on the timeline he should still be 31. We'd just have to ignore the small error. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 05:13, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Very likely also his left arm must have been replaced (and this would be able to explain the loss of the Zetsu materia from his left arm after Minato's rasengan), but we can't have certainty about it. Anyway I think that we can be sure at least about the replacement of the left part of his thorax.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 15:08, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
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It's no small error in this case. There are two different ways to conclude Obito's age, both are equally correct. We can't just decide that one is correct and the other is wrong, so we just have to wait. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 10:18, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:From my point of view, newer information takes precedence over the old. I mean, we already decided to ignore what 3rd databook says about Susanoo and Amaterasu after all, so I think chapter 599 and on have more credibility. In that case, since the age difference between Kakashi and Obito is 3 years 7 months (ignoring handful of days) and Kakashi turned 31 "25 days ago" that means Obito died as 34 years old.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::Then what about the anime? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:49, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They've got more than one thing wrong by now and should be ignored when it comes to chronology and canonicity of events, even if that means ignoring a whole filler arc or two--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:53, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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According to Seel's timeline Kakashi, Rin and Obito were born the same year so why would Obito be three years and some months older than Kakashi and I'd say that's pretty accurate. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 13:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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::::Seel's Obito-Kakashi timeline is based on the anime mostly and pre-chapter 599 manga/databook stuff. Kakashi graduated the academy as 5 years old, Rin and Obito as 9. Obito is 3 years 7 months older from Kakashi. They all took the same Chunin Exam, with Kakashi having managed to become a Chunin in it at the age of 6, while Obito age 10 failed. Obito trainer hard, took the next exams and became a Chunin at 11. Obito got crushed by boulders as 13 years old, that means Kakashi was 9-10 at the latest in the Gaiden. Kakashi is now 31 so Obito died as 34--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:58, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I chose to follow that timeline because aside from that one chapter, everything in the manga and anime follows it, too. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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The graduation was in the manga too. But going by graduation time the age appearance doesn't fit the profile like at all. Kakashi bring five and the rest being 5 and Rin and Obito being 9. It didn't look that way. It could be an inconsistency. Its not the first time. Can we put 31-34 (presumed) or something? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 14:09, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
   
His lack of organs was likely a genjutsu--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:19, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
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@Seel, it's not "just one" chapter though :P Obito had like 2-3 what if flashbacks of imagining himself having chosen a different path and the people in the flashback are the same ones as in chapter 599, so Kishi retconned them to be Obito's generation. Also even ignoring databooks, it's 34 anyway. Kakashi becoming Chunin at 6 is a manga fact. Obito having gotten crushed by boulders at 13 is a manga fact. The crushing took place 2 years after his Chunin promotion, so if Kakashi promoted at 6, he was 9 in the Gaiden, 10 at most in case Obito was beyond 13 and 5 months--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:24, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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Well if that's the case Kishi needs to work on how he makes kid look their age and height. At first I thought Kakashi graduated earlier than them and was on a different team but switched or was older by four years but than manga chapter shows they all graduated together so now we are supposed to belief that Kakashi was five and they were so much more older and they still looked about the same age and height. Let's not put any ahe than cuz its iffy. Like you said it may be retconned. He messed up. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 14:31, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:To be honest, the notion of a 6 years old Chunin in itself is beyond farfetched. Chunin are eligible to lead other ninja on missions... can you imagine a 6 years old kid ordering around adults and surviving encounters with adult foe ninja?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:42, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Plot Hole ==
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I think we should calculate Obito's Part II age using Itachi's age. So, we know that Itachi was four during the Third Shinobi World war, so if he died at 21, the war was 21- 4 = 17 years before the fourth war. So, If Obito Uchiha was 13 at the time of the war, he was 13 + 17 = 30 at the time of the Fourth War.--[[User:LordofBraxis|LordofBraxis]] ([[User talk:LordofBraxis|talk]]) 17:31, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:But we don't know for certain that a year passed between Obito getting crushed by boulders and him attacking Konoha. According to the anime, yes, it was a year, but I'm not so sure, because the manga suggests that Kakashi's age during the war was 9-10 at most and he was 14 during Obito's attack with Kurama, so it might have been 4-5 years later instead--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:23, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
On This page it states that Obito Uchiha propted the Ame Orpahns to form Akatsuki and controlled Yagura. This was done directly after they were trained by Jiraiya. However the page on Jiraiya states that he hadn't even begun training Minato yet which raises the question.
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== Obito's Parents ==
   
How could have Obito prompted the Orphans to form Akatsuki and controlled Yagura if the thrid great ninja war hadn't even started yet?
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Even though it's a small image, we can see what appears to be a photo of Obito's parents holding him as an infant on chapter 603 and Episode 345. Even though they don't have a name, shouldn't they be in this wiki as well? --[[User:Kai Maciel|Kai Maciel]] ([[User talk:Kai Maciel|talk]]) 12:41, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
There are three posibilities:
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it should be mentioned in the trivia section and nothing else. they do not deserve a separate article. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:43, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
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:I would at least like them mentioned over at Uchiha Clan page.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
1: The Ame Orphans and Yagura actually met the real Madara Uchiha. This however is unlikely as all sources state that it was Obito.
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this will sound rude but im not trying to be...can't you just add it then. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:48, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
2: The Ame Orphans were 7 when Jiraiya first met them. He trained them for three years. Let's assume that Minato is the same age as them. So when Jiraiya returns Minato is 10 just graduated from the academy. Minato becomes a Jounin at say 16. He then leads his own team of Obito (aged 9), Kakashi (aged 5) and Rin. Obito was 13 when Kanami bridge happened. Give him 1 year to recover from getting crushed. That would leave the Ame Orpahns at 21 when Obito went to them. . However this would mean that Obito was 16 when he attacked Konoha. The reason for the timeline being sped up is that rumours quickly spread about the Ame orphans which would imply that Akatsuki was formed quite quickly. However that would mean that Minato became Hokage a 21.
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nvm I added it in his trivia section. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
This is plausible but rather unlikely.
 
   
3: Obito can use Kamui to travell through time. It is called time space ninjutsu after all. This is the most likely option.
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== Retcon ==
   
[[Special:Contributions/121.223.147.231|121.223.147.231]] ([[User talk:121.223.147.231|talk]]) 08:21, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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OK, now we know Obito is the same age as Kakashi, I think we can safely assume pretty much all prior information of their peers has been retconned, no?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 18:39, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
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* No, he was dead by then and manga showed Obito meeting them, you know this.
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:Yes. Even if Obito and Rin had been a few years older than Kakashi, that would have only fixed two retcons when there are many more post-chapter 599. I think the lack of graduation and promotion ages in this databook is a way of telling us to disregard all of the old ones, because if you do, a whole lot of contradictions go away.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 19:35, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
* Yes and no, the attack on Konoha happened about 5 years after the [[Kannabi Bridge]] incident, so Obito was about 18, the rest is correct. For Minato's Hokage age, I'm not sure now if he became Hokage after the war (this would render his reign to about 1 year) or already during it after victory over the bridge mission. For his actual age, everything fits him being as old as Ame Orphans which are about as old as Inoichi, Chooza and Shikaku were, so he died as circa 26. He either became Hokage at 21 as you say or 25. His conversation with A and B suggest the former though.
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::So should we remove the conflicting past databook info from their infoboxes?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:46, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
* nice try
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:::Pretty sure there's no way we could get anyone to agree to that. I think we should at least put trivia points when the grad ages directly conflict with the story though (Obito, Anko, Hayate, etc.). Like we do with Zabuza possibly not being 26. At the very least, Yahiko needs one of those now.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 22:45, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
* I still don't understand what Yagura has to do with anything? There's no error. Obito controlled Yagura during the war and even possibly still after.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:47, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yeah Obito was 16 if you count chapter 599 when he attacked Konoha. He was 13 when he "died" at Kanabi Bridge. If you go by the Databook Only, then Obito would be 18 at the Kyuubi Attack. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 07:11, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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== Outer Path: Samsara of Heavely Life Technique ==
   
== Tracking/sensing ==
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Sorry, I'm new to this whole thing so please bear with me if there's anything I've done wrong. It's just that I don't see the Outer Path:Samsara of Heavely Life Technique under Obito's jutsu list, but when I look at the techniques infobox, I see his name under it. In the anime it's been implied that he can use the technique, and in the manga he actually did I think. It's not just Obito either, I see the same issue with a ton of characters.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 16:30, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:He is listed. Many techniques and so on don't show up properly, coding bug or so--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:33, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
since this site doesn't speculate or assume should we get rid of the spot that says he can locate people? for all we know Zetsu is the one that is locating people for him. [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 02:09, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
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:Oh no wonder then. I've seen this going on for a while now and I always assumed it had mostly to do with users manually taking them off the character info boxes, while leaving the technique ones alone. A coding error makes sense. Has any progress been made in resolving the issue, or is it a fruitless endeavor at this point?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 16:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
:It's not speculation, he was able to follow the 4th Hokage when the 4th teleported away from him. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 02:15, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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::The latter I guess, yet I've been told that it was fixed, so shrug--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:06, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
::We don't know how he does it though. When he intercepted Taka when they were on their way to Konoha, he said he had ways to find them, but didn't elaborate upon it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:23, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::The Suit Clone was stated by Zetsu that it was basically his clone and that it and he could communicate telepathically. [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 02:27, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
p.s his ways could be zetsu [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 02:33, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
:And Zetsu telepathy only works when they're near one another, and as far as we know, there was no Zetsu with Taka for them to talk. Maybe they had spores, but they grow when activated, and for the telepathy to kick in, another Zetsu would need to be close by. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:01, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Kind of an assumption, but aren't Zetsus sensors? He is half-one--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:15, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::The "method" was sort of proven already to not have been Tobi, but Zetsu. Remember the Zetsu spores on Sasuke prior? Orochimaru commented that Tobi had them place so they can observe and help Sasuke if need be. I too vote that we remove the part about him finding people anywhere in the world. I mean, he found Minato because he possibly knows the sensing technique. That's not as farfetched as finding anyone in the world, no matter their location. Doesn't make sense, he never said he could do that, and we know how Tobi tracked Sasuke. That particular section, about Tobi's "tracking skills" should be removed. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 11:00, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
Black zetsu was able to sense naruto and bee from a long distance when they got off the island turtle. Black zetsu probably sensed team taka. and as far as the fight against the 4th hokage it was stated that their were zetsu all over the place. [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 14:14, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
So no arguments I'll go ahead and change it? :) [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 20:06, June 14, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
 
   
== Rinnegan techniques ==
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:::Yeah I've noticed it's only the techniques that are "anime only" or "manga only" that are affected. --[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 00:13, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
Obito clearly has them, but as stated in 576 he didn't use them due to the drain on his reserves. Taking into account that he has access and CAN use the jutsu, I say they should be added to him. Orochimaru's Mokuton set a precedent that where we know a character is capable of something, even if it hasn't been shown, certain things should be credited to his profile. This is one of those things imo.--[[Special:Contributions/77.102.73.252|77.102.73.252]] ([[User talk:77.102.73.252|talk]]) 23:25, June 26, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
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== Obito as Kurama's Jinchuriki ==
:We've added the ones we saw he could use, and the ones he mentioned he could use. Kekkei genkai isn't the same as a kekkei genkai technique. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:24, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
::"come Obito, I'm gonna teach you six paths technique" he said SIX, not 5 paths, 4 paths, 3 paths, 2 paths or 1 path technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:25, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Whoops I cited the wrong chapter. It's 567 I meant. In that chapter Gai says Obito isn't using Rinnegan techniques because they have counters for them, to which Kakashi also adds by mentioning the burden of controlling the bijū. i.e. Obito DOES have access to all of the related Six Paths techniques, he just didn't use them then because he they would be countered and a waste of chakra. Chapter 636 also adds to this as Obito is about to the use the Rinne Tensei.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:24, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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When Obito sealed Kurama into Naruto, he transferred Kurama from his body, not from Black Zetsu's. So shouldnt he be listed as Kurama's jinchuriki as the chakra was in his body? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:23, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
:Maybe the main "(name) Path" ones, but certainly not the specific ones derived from them. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:43, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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:Bump --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 12:39, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

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Obito's Age in Part II Edit

Its clear as to hold old Obito was by the time he got crushed and Kakashi being the same age. Shippuden comes but he doesn't have a age. Is it because of the whole persona thing or what cuz I still believe he should be listed as 31 as of his death. Rachin123 (talk) 03:54, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's age is a controversial subject, seeing as chapter 599 retconned pretty much everything we know about Kakashi and his classmates' ages.--BeyondRed (talk) 04:37, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
How so? Rachin123 (talk) 04:45, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Kakashi's younger graduation/promotion ages implied he should be younger than Obito and Rin, even though Kakashi Gaiden depicted them as looking about the same age. Then the flashbacks from chapter 599 onwards ignored all of the old graduation ages entirely, and included a bunch of characters who couldn't possibly have been in Kakashi's age group.--BeyondRed (talk) 05:05, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
True the age thing is confusing but still going by birth on on the timeline he should still be 31. We'd just have to ignore the small error. Rachin123 (talk) 05:13, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

It's no small error in this case. There are two different ways to conclude Obito's age, both are equally correct. We can't just decide that one is correct and the other is wrong, so we just have to wait. • Seelentau 愛 10:18, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

From my point of view, newer information takes precedence over the old. I mean, we already decided to ignore what 3rd databook says about Susanoo and Amaterasu after all, so I think chapter 599 and on have more credibility. In that case, since the age difference between Kakashi and Obito is 3 years 7 months (ignoring handful of days) and Kakashi turned 31 "25 days ago" that means Obito died as 34 years old.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Then what about the anime? • Seelentau 愛 11:49, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
They've got more than one thing wrong by now and should be ignored when it comes to chronology and canonicity of events, even if that means ignoring a whole filler arc or two--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:53, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

According to Seel's timeline Kakashi, Rin and Obito were born the same year so why would Obito be three years and some months older than Kakashi and I'd say that's pretty accurate. Rachin123 (talk) 13:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Seel's Obito-Kakashi timeline is based on the anime mostly and pre-chapter 599 manga/databook stuff. Kakashi graduated the academy as 5 years old, Rin and Obito as 9. Obito is 3 years 7 months older from Kakashi. They all took the same Chunin Exam, with Kakashi having managed to become a Chunin in it at the age of 6, while Obito age 10 failed. Obito trainer hard, took the next exams and became a Chunin at 11. Obito got crushed by boulders as 13 years old, that means Kakashi was 9-10 at the latest in the Gaiden. Kakashi is now 31 so Obito died as 34--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:58, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
I chose to follow that timeline because aside from that one chapter, everything in the manga and anime follows it, too. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

The graduation was in the manga too. But going by graduation time the age appearance doesn't fit the profile like at all. Kakashi bring five and the rest being 5 and Rin and Obito being 9. It didn't look that way. It could be an inconsistency. Its not the first time. Can we put 31-34 (presumed) or something? Rachin123 (talk) 14:09, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

@Seel, it's not "just one" chapter though :P Obito had like 2-3 what if flashbacks of imagining himself having chosen a different path and the people in the flashback are the same ones as in chapter 599, so Kishi retconned them to be Obito's generation. Also even ignoring databooks, it's 34 anyway. Kakashi becoming Chunin at 6 is a manga fact. Obito having gotten crushed by boulders at 13 is a manga fact. The crushing took place 2 years after his Chunin promotion, so if Kakashi promoted at 6, he was 9 in the Gaiden, 10 at most in case Obito was beyond 13 and 5 months--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:24, October 3, 2014 (UTC) Well if that's the case Kishi needs to work on how he makes kid look their age and height. At first I thought Kakashi graduated earlier than them and was on a different team but switched or was older by four years but than manga chapter shows they all graduated together so now we are supposed to belief that Kakashi was five and they were so much more older and they still looked about the same age and height. Let's not put any ahe than cuz its iffy. Like you said it may be retconned. He messed up. Rachin123 (talk) 14:31, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

To be honest, the notion of a 6 years old Chunin in itself is beyond farfetched. Chunin are eligible to lead other ninja on missions... can you imagine a 6 years old kid ordering around adults and surviving encounters with adult foe ninja?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:42, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should calculate Obito's Part II age using Itachi's age. So, we know that Itachi was four during the Third Shinobi World war, so if he died at 21, the war was 21- 4 = 17 years before the fourth war. So, If Obito Uchiha was 13 at the time of the war, he was 13 + 17 = 30 at the time of the Fourth War.--LordofBraxis (talk) 17:31, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

But we don't know for certain that a year passed between Obito getting crushed by boulders and him attacking Konoha. According to the anime, yes, it was a year, but I'm not so sure, because the manga suggests that Kakashi's age during the war was 9-10 at most and he was 14 during Obito's attack with Kurama, so it might have been 4-5 years later instead--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:23, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's Parents Edit

Even though it's a small image, we can see what appears to be a photo of Obito's parents holding him as an infant on chapter 603 and Episode 345. Even though they don't have a name, shouldn't they be in this wiki as well? --Kai Maciel (talk) 12:41, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

it should be mentioned in the trivia section and nothing else. they do not deserve a separate article. Munchvtec (talk) 12:43, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

I would at least like them mentioned over at Uchiha Clan page.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

this will sound rude but im not trying to be...can't you just add it then. Munchvtec (talk) 12:48, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

nvm I added it in his trivia section. Munchvtec (talk) 12:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Retcon Edit

OK, now we know Obito is the same age as Kakashi, I think we can safely assume pretty much all prior information of their peers has been retconned, no?--Reliops (talk) 18:39, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Even if Obito and Rin had been a few years older than Kakashi, that would have only fixed two retcons when there are many more post-chapter 599. I think the lack of graduation and promotion ages in this databook is a way of telling us to disregard all of the old ones, because if you do, a whole lot of contradictions go away.--BeyondRed (talk) 19:35, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
So should we remove the conflicting past databook info from their infoboxes?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:46, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
Pretty sure there's no way we could get anyone to agree to that. I think we should at least put trivia points when the grad ages directly conflict with the story though (Obito, Anko, Hayate, etc.). Like we do with Zabuza possibly not being 26. At the very least, Yahiko needs one of those now.--BeyondRed (talk) 22:45, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Outer Path: Samsara of Heavely Life Technique Edit

Sorry, I'm new to this whole thing so please bear with me if there's anything I've done wrong. It's just that I don't see the Outer Path:Samsara of Heavely Life Technique under Obito's jutsu list, but when I look at the techniques infobox, I see his name under it. In the anime it's been implied that he can use the technique, and in the manga he actually did I think. It's not just Obito either, I see the same issue with a ton of characters.--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:30, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

He is listed. Many techniques and so on don't show up properly, coding bug or so--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 16:33, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Oh no wonder then. I've seen this going on for a while now and I always assumed it had mostly to do with users manually taking them off the character info boxes, while leaving the technique ones alone. A coding error makes sense. Has any progress been made in resolving the issue, or is it a fruitless endeavor at this point?--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
The latter I guess, yet I've been told that it was fixed, so shrug--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:06, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah I've noticed it's only the techniques that are "anime only" or "manga only" that are affected. --Minamoto15 (talk) 00:13, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Obito as Kurama's Jinchuriki Edit

When Obito sealed Kurama into Naruto, he transferred Kurama from his body, not from Black Zetsu's. So shouldnt he be listed as Kurama's jinchuriki as the chakra was in his body? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:23, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Bump --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:39, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

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