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== Izanami ==
 
   
Since Madara said he would teach him the Six Paths jutsu (listed on the info box), Uchiha Kinjutsu and a Yin-Yang jutsu... Could we infer that Izanami is among the jutsu Obito learnt?
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'''<big>For previous discussions about this character, see also [[Talk:Tobi]] and its archives.</big>'''
   
I'm sure the Kinjutsu wasn't Izanagi because Izanagi would be the Yin-Yang jutsu.
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== Obito's Age in Part II ==
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Its clear as to hold old Obito was by the time he got crushed and Kakashi being the same age. Shippuden comes but he doesn't have a age. Is it because of the whole persona thing or what cuz I still believe he should be listed as 31 as of his death. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 03:54, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:Obito's age is a controversial subject, seeing as chapter 599 retconned pretty much everything we know about Kakashi and his classmates' ages.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 04:37, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::How so? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:45, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Kakashi's younger graduation/promotion ages implied he should be younger than Obito and Rin, even though Kakashi Gaiden depicted them as looking about the same age. Then the flashbacks from chapter 599 onwards ignored all of the old graduation ages entirely, and included a bunch of characters who couldn't possibly have been in Kakashi's age group.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 05:05, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::::True the age thing is confusing but still going by birth on on the timeline he should still be 31. We'd just have to ignore the small error. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 05:13, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
I thought this would be an interesting avenue of discussion, and something to highlight.
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It's no small error in this case. There are two different ways to conclude Obito's age, both are equally correct. We can't just decide that one is correct and the other is wrong, so we just have to wait. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:18, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:From my point of view, newer information takes precedence over the old. I mean, we already decided to ignore what 3rd databook says about Susanoo and Amaterasu after all, so I think chapter 599 and on have more credibility. In that case, since the age difference between Kakashi and Obito is 3 years 7 months (ignoring handful of days) and Kakashi turned 31 "25 days ago" that means Obito died as 34 years old.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::Then what about the anime? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:49, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They've got more than one thing wrong by now and should be ignored when it comes to chronology and canonicity of events, even if that means ignoring a whole filler arc or two--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:53, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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According to Seel's timeline Kakashi, Rin and Obito were born the same year so why would Obito be three years and some months older than Kakashi and I'd say that's pretty accurate. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 13:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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::::Seel's Obito-Kakashi timeline is based on the anime mostly and pre-chapter 599 manga/databook stuff. Kakashi graduated the academy as 5 years old, Rin and Obito as 9. Obito is 3 years 7 months older from Kakashi. They all took the same Chunin Exam, with Kakashi having managed to become a Chunin in it at the age of 6, while Obito age 10 failed. Obito trainer hard, took the next exams and became a Chunin at 11. Obito got crushed by boulders as 13 years old, that means Kakashi was 9-10 at the latest in the Gaiden. Kakashi is now 31 so Obito died as 34--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:58, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I chose to follow that timeline because aside from that one chapter, everything in the manga and anime follows it, too. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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The graduation was in the manga too. But going by graduation time the age appearance doesn't fit the profile like at all. Kakashi bring five and the rest being 5 and Rin and Obito being 9. It didn't look that way. It could be an inconsistency. Its not the first time. Can we put 31-34 (presumed) or something? [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 14:09, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
   
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 04:04, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
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@Seel, it's not "just one" chapter though :P Obito had like 2-3 what if flashbacks of imagining himself having chosen a different path and the people in the flashback are the same ones as in chapter 599, so Kishi retconned them to be Obito's generation. Also even ignoring databooks, it's 34 anyway. Kakashi becoming Chunin at 6 is a manga fact. Obito having gotten crushed by boulders at 13 is a manga fact. The crushing took place 2 years after his Chunin promotion, so if Kakashi promoted at 6, he was 9 in the Gaiden, 10 at most in case Obito was beyond 13 and 5 months--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:24, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
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Well if that's the case Kishi needs to work on how he makes kid look their age and height. At first I thought Kakashi graduated earlier than them and was on a different team but switched or was older by four years but than manga chapter shows they all graduated together so now we are supposed to belief that Kakashi was five and they were so much more older and they still looked about the same age and height. Let's not put any ahe than cuz its iffy. Like you said it may be retconned. He messed up. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 14:31, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
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:To be honest, the notion of a 6 years old Chunin in itself is beyond farfetched. Chunin are eligible to lead other ninja on missions... can you imagine a 6 years old kid ordering around adults and surviving encounters with adult foe ninja?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:42, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Madara has given no indication he knows Izanami, though he probably does. Madara listed the type of techniques he'd teach Obito, he wasn't enumerating each one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:50, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
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I think we should calculate Obito's Part II age using Itachi's age. So, we know that Itachi was four during the Third Shinobi World war, so if he died at 21, the war was 21- 4 = 17 years before the fourth war. So, If Obito Uchiha was 13 at the time of the war, he was 13 + 17 = 30 at the time of the Fourth War.--[[User:LordofBraxis|LordofBraxis]] ([[User talk:LordofBraxis|talk]]) 17:31, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:But we don't know for certain that a year passed between Obito getting crushed by boulders and him attacking Konoha. According to the anime, yes, it was a year, but I'm not so sure, because the manga suggests that Kakashi's age during the war was 9-10 at most and he was 14 during Obito's attack with Kurama, so it might have been 4-5 years later instead--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:23, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well, as a former leader of the clan and the strongest Uchiha, he is more likely to know, we would list him if Obito used or mentioned it I guess--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:14, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
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== Obito's Parents ==
   
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Even though it's a small image, we can see what appears to be a photo of Obito's parents holding him as an infant on chapter 603 and Episode 345. Even though they don't have a name, shouldn't they be in this wiki as well? --[[User:Kai Maciel|Kai Maciel]] ([[User talk:Kai Maciel|talk]]) 12:41, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Surely the mention of Uchiha Kinjutsu is an indication that he does. After all, Obito did make it specially clear that his Yin-Yang jutsu (that Madara would've taught him) was Izanami. Yet whilst listing what he would teach Obito, he differentiated between this Yin-Yang jutsu and the Uchiha Kinjutsu.
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it should be mentioned in the trivia section and nothing else. they do not deserve a separate article. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:43, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
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:I would at least like them mentioned over at Uchiha Clan page.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Perhaps not definite, however could we make a little note that is is arguably possible? Akin to how we've got Orochimaru's Sage status in a manner that pleases everyone.
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this will sound rude but im not trying to be...can't you just add it then. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:48, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 15:33, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
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nvm I added it in his trivia section. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
We list Madara as a user of Izanagi, so we either remove that or list both also as users of Izanami to be fair. Also something may be both Uchiha Kinjutsu and yin-yang release in one dude, that doesn't have a thing to do with anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:38, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
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== Retcon ==
   
I'd think the both option is a good idea, imo.
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OK, now we know Obito is the same age as Kakashi, I think we can safely assume pretty much all prior information of their peers has been retconned, no?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 18:39, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
That idea came to mind, that he was referring to one jutsu that was a Yin-Yang jutsu and an Uchiha Kinjutsu. However when I saw the page, it looked like he literally listed three distinct things he would teach Obito {Six Paths jutsu; Uchiha Kinjutsu; & a Yin-Yang jutsu}.
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:Yes. Even if Obito and Rin had been a few years older than Kakashi, that would have only fixed two retcons when there are many more post-chapter 599. I think the lack of graduation and promotion ages in this databook is a way of telling us to disregard all of the old ones, because if you do, a whole lot of contradictions go away.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 19:35, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
So that means Uchiha Kinjutsu was something different to Yin-Yang jutsu.
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::So should we remove the conflicting past databook info from their infoboxes?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 20:46, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
The Izanami idea cropped up because by that point in the manga, we were already aware that Izanami was an Uchiha Kinjutsu and that Izanagi was a Yin-Yang jutsu.
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:::Pretty sure there's no way we could get anyone to agree to that. I think we should at least put trivia points when the grad ages directly conflict with the story though (Obito, Anko, Hayate, etc.). Like we do with Zabuza possibly not being 26. At the very least, Yahiko needs one of those now.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 22:45, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
Rather than put Izanagi, we could perhaps list "Uchiha Kinjutsu" to be safe? Though personally I'd go with your Izanami on both articles idea.
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== Outer Path: Samsara of Heavely Life Technique ==
   
--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 03:42, May 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry, I'm new to this whole thing so please bear with me if there's anything I've done wrong. It's just that I don't see the Outer Path:Samsara of Heavely Life Technique under Obito's jutsu list, but when I look at the techniques infobox, I see his name under it. In the anime it's been implied that he can use the technique, and in the manga he actually did I think. It's not just Obito either, I see the same issue with a ton of characters.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 16:30, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:He is listed. Many techniques and so on don't show up properly, coding bug or so--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:33, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== "Critically wounded" ==
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:Oh no wonder then. I've seen this going on for a while now and I always assumed it had mostly to do with users manually taking them off the character info boxes, while leaving the technique ones alone. A coding error makes sense. Has any progress been made in resolving the issue, or is it a fruitless endeavor at this point?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 16:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::The latter I guess, yet I've been told that it was fixed, so shrug--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:06, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
The panel dedicated to Obito's Sharingan before he walked into Kakashi's Raikiri indicates he may very well have used a genjutsu. It is speculation at this point in time but so is outright stating he allowed Kakashi to pierce him with this Raikiri.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 10:03, May 8, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
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:::Yeah I've noticed it's only the techniques that are "anime only" or "manga only" that are affected. --[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 00:13, November 8, 2014 (UTC)
:Well, his right side got crushed, heart tends to be on left so I was wondering ._.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:07, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::It's genjutsu though. No matter how powerful he or Hashirama's cells are, nothing indicates that Obito could survive something like that when he was coughing blood after being punched in the stomach. Also note that Kakashi's hand came out of him sans the blood.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Yup, I believe it's a genjutsu too, there's no way the Raiki could destroy his heart completely or that he hadn't have one before that since the boulders couldn't destroy his heart I think as it's more on left not to mention Naruto survived the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:14, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Did Obito really phase through the Raikiri? ==
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== Obito as Kurama's Jinchuriki ==
   
They're in the other dimension right? So any wounds Obito receives are real since he can't transport pieces of his body. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:28, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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When Obito sealed Kurama into Naruto, he transferred Kurama from his body, not from Black Zetsu's. So shouldnt he be listed as Kurama's jinchuriki as the chakra was in his body? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:23, December 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:Bump --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 12:39, December 16, 2014 (UTC)
I don't think obito phased through because you can tell if you look closer, yes those wounds will be real and maybe he can transport even if he's still in his dimension, but he let kakashi do that so then he could think back to the time when he got rin, and remember obitos' body is like a white zetsus' so the pain or damage wouldn't really affect him --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 15:31, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Transportation and phasing are separate, he is already transported so he can phase--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::And where to would he phase? Don't tell me the real world this time.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:36, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Exactly. He can't avoid attacks in the other dimension though. That's exactly why Naruto and Kakashi were able to wound him in previous chapters --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:39, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:The dimension is big, he can phase anywhere. The reason they could hit him in the other dimension is that while parts of his body are intangible in real world, those transported parts are tangible in the other dimension. He is now fully there tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:41, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That's what I meant. It would be stupid of him to transport his chest to the real world where like 30 enemies still remain to see it as an opportunity to kill him.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:43, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Except that the hole is bleeding so even if he could transport parts of his body in the other dimension the hole wouldn't be bleeding, and it would become whole again as soon as Kakashi pulled his hand back. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 15:47, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sounds logical.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.130.246|94.135.130.246]] ([[User talk:94.135.130.246|talk]]) 15:49, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I think he will just heal back from this, all that junk he was doing and all he was saying and to let himself die like that?? I don't think so. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
After reading the previous debate, I think it is 99% positive Obito is just using a Genjutsu, he has NOT been wounded at all. Thank god.. that would of been a shitty ending to him. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[Usertalk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I agree that it's likely a genjutsu, but my observation was that it's physically impossible for him to phase through the attack with kamui in his own dimension. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 04:40, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I don't see why everyone is making this all so complicated when really, it's simple.
 
 
You see Obito use his Sharingan in one panel, then Kakashi looks shocked, next panel Obito walks into the attack, and then Kakashi sees Rin standing there instead of Obito. He's caught Kakashi in a Genjutsu of the day Rin died. *sigh* There is no need to make it more complicated than it actually is. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 07:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Obito's Age in Part II Edit

Its clear as to hold old Obito was by the time he got crushed and Kakashi being the same age. Shippuden comes but he doesn't have a age. Is it because of the whole persona thing or what cuz I still believe he should be listed as 31 as of his death. Rachin123 (talk) 03:54, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's age is a controversial subject, seeing as chapter 599 retconned pretty much everything we know about Kakashi and his classmates' ages.--BeyondRed (talk) 04:37, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
How so? Rachin123 (talk) 04:45, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Kakashi's younger graduation/promotion ages implied he should be younger than Obito and Rin, even though Kakashi Gaiden depicted them as looking about the same age. Then the flashbacks from chapter 599 onwards ignored all of the old graduation ages entirely, and included a bunch of characters who couldn't possibly have been in Kakashi's age group.--BeyondRed (talk) 05:05, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
True the age thing is confusing but still going by birth on on the timeline he should still be 31. We'd just have to ignore the small error. Rachin123 (talk) 05:13, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

It's no small error in this case. There are two different ways to conclude Obito's age, both are equally correct. We can't just decide that one is correct and the other is wrong, so we just have to wait. • Seelentau 愛 10:18, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

From my point of view, newer information takes precedence over the old. I mean, we already decided to ignore what 3rd databook says about Susanoo and Amaterasu after all, so I think chapter 599 and on have more credibility. In that case, since the age difference between Kakashi and Obito is 3 years 7 months (ignoring handful of days) and Kakashi turned 31 "25 days ago" that means Obito died as 34 years old.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
Then what about the anime? • Seelentau 愛 11:49, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
They've got more than one thing wrong by now and should be ignored when it comes to chronology and canonicity of events, even if that means ignoring a whole filler arc or two--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:53, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

According to Seel's timeline Kakashi, Rin and Obito were born the same year so why would Obito be three years and some months older than Kakashi and I'd say that's pretty accurate. Rachin123 (talk) 13:46, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Seel's Obito-Kakashi timeline is based on the anime mostly and pre-chapter 599 manga/databook stuff. Kakashi graduated the academy as 5 years old, Rin and Obito as 9. Obito is 3 years 7 months older from Kakashi. They all took the same Chunin Exam, with Kakashi having managed to become a Chunin in it at the age of 6, while Obito age 10 failed. Obito trainer hard, took the next exams and became a Chunin at 11. Obito got crushed by boulders as 13 years old, that means Kakashi was 9-10 at the latest in the Gaiden. Kakashi is now 31 so Obito died as 34--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 13:58, October 3, 2014 (UTC)
I chose to follow that timeline because aside from that one chapter, everything in the manga and anime follows it, too. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

The graduation was in the manga too. But going by graduation time the age appearance doesn't fit the profile like at all. Kakashi bring five and the rest being 5 and Rin and Obito being 9. It didn't look that way. It could be an inconsistency. Its not the first time. Can we put 31-34 (presumed) or something? Rachin123 (talk) 14:09, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

@Seel, it's not "just one" chapter though :P Obito had like 2-3 what if flashbacks of imagining himself having chosen a different path and the people in the flashback are the same ones as in chapter 599, so Kishi retconned them to be Obito's generation. Also even ignoring databooks, it's 34 anyway. Kakashi becoming Chunin at 6 is a manga fact. Obito having gotten crushed by boulders at 13 is a manga fact. The crushing took place 2 years after his Chunin promotion, so if Kakashi promoted at 6, he was 9 in the Gaiden, 10 at most in case Obito was beyond 13 and 5 months--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:24, October 3, 2014 (UTC) Well if that's the case Kishi needs to work on how he makes kid look their age and height. At first I thought Kakashi graduated earlier than them and was on a different team but switched or was older by four years but than manga chapter shows they all graduated together so now we are supposed to belief that Kakashi was five and they were so much more older and they still looked about the same age and height. Let's not put any ahe than cuz its iffy. Like you said it may be retconned. He messed up. Rachin123 (talk) 14:31, October 3, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

To be honest, the notion of a 6 years old Chunin in itself is beyond farfetched. Chunin are eligible to lead other ninja on missions... can you imagine a 6 years old kid ordering around adults and surviving encounters with adult foe ninja?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:42, October 3, 2014 (UTC)

I think we should calculate Obito's Part II age using Itachi's age. So, we know that Itachi was four during the Third Shinobi World war, so if he died at 21, the war was 21- 4 = 17 years before the fourth war. So, If Obito Uchiha was 13 at the time of the war, he was 13 + 17 = 30 at the time of the Fourth War.--LordofBraxis (talk) 17:31, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

But we don't know for certain that a year passed between Obito getting crushed by boulders and him attacking Konoha. According to the anime, yes, it was a year, but I'm not so sure, because the manga suggests that Kakashi's age during the war was 9-10 at most and he was 14 during Obito's attack with Kurama, so it might have been 4-5 years later instead--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:23, October 15, 2014 (UTC)

Obito's Parents Edit

Even though it's a small image, we can see what appears to be a photo of Obito's parents holding him as an infant on chapter 603 and Episode 345. Even though they don't have a name, shouldn't they be in this wiki as well? --Kai Maciel (talk) 12:41, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

it should be mentioned in the trivia section and nothing else. they do not deserve a separate article. Munchvtec (talk) 12:43, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

I would at least like them mentioned over at Uchiha Clan page.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:44, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

this will sound rude but im not trying to be...can't you just add it then. Munchvtec (talk) 12:48, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

nvm I added it in his trivia section. Munchvtec (talk) 12:51, October 7, 2014 (UTC)

Retcon Edit

OK, now we know Obito is the same age as Kakashi, I think we can safely assume pretty much all prior information of their peers has been retconned, no?--Reliops (talk) 18:39, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Even if Obito and Rin had been a few years older than Kakashi, that would have only fixed two retcons when there are many more post-chapter 599. I think the lack of graduation and promotion ages in this databook is a way of telling us to disregard all of the old ones, because if you do, a whole lot of contradictions go away.--BeyondRed (talk) 19:35, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
So should we remove the conflicting past databook info from their infoboxes?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 20:46, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
Pretty sure there's no way we could get anyone to agree to that. I think we should at least put trivia points when the grad ages directly conflict with the story though (Obito, Anko, Hayate, etc.). Like we do with Zabuza possibly not being 26. At the very least, Yahiko needs one of those now.--BeyondRed (talk) 22:45, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Outer Path: Samsara of Heavely Life Technique Edit

Sorry, I'm new to this whole thing so please bear with me if there's anything I've done wrong. It's just that I don't see the Outer Path:Samsara of Heavely Life Technique under Obito's jutsu list, but when I look at the techniques infobox, I see his name under it. In the anime it's been implied that he can use the technique, and in the manga he actually did I think. It's not just Obito either, I see the same issue with a ton of characters.--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:30, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

He is listed. Many techniques and so on don't show up properly, coding bug or so--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 16:33, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Oh no wonder then. I've seen this going on for a while now and I always assumed it had mostly to do with users manually taking them off the character info boxes, while leaving the technique ones alone. A coding error makes sense. Has any progress been made in resolving the issue, or is it a fruitless endeavor at this point?--Minamoto15 (talk) 16:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
The latter I guess, yet I've been told that it was fixed, so shrug--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:06, November 5, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah I've noticed it's only the techniques that are "anime only" or "manga only" that are affected. --Minamoto15 (talk) 00:13, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Obito as Kurama's Jinchuriki Edit

When Obito sealed Kurama into Naruto, he transferred Kurama from his body, not from Black Zetsu's. So shouldnt he be listed as Kurama's jinchuriki as the chakra was in his body? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:23, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Bump --Sarutobii2 (talk) 12:39, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

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