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== Names ==
== Characters ages updating ==
 
Since we know the real timeline of this war at these recent moments is on the 9th of October, so it's a good idea to update the characters ages who were born before October 9 like some of Konoha 11 characters and anyone born after October 9, we shouldn't change his age. Thoughts? [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 16:28, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:There already are topics on the matter, but Mr. Senator, I mean Foxie opposes it because he would like to wait for something that may not even come. Others seem to support it tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:17, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
::When? Until the new databook's release? I don't have a problem for updating the ages until the new databook says something different. No updates for the deceased characters and the characters that have no brithdate. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 17:30, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I agree and I would like to start updating too --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 17:32, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Why not, we have all the information. {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 17:36, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::But there's still some people that would like to wait for the next chapter like tentailedfox so that's why we haven't really started yet --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 17:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::But the majority is for it. But I get where s/he is coming from as one of the big rules on this wiki is not to add new information when the whole manga chapter isn't out yet. {{User:Rainbow Shifter/sig}} 17:43, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::: Wouldn't it become a problem if everybody starts changing ages? if everyone just adds one year, it's gonna get messed up right? --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 19:10, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
<sup>(reset indent)</sup> No, it wouldn't be an issue (I don't believe there is semantic data for ages). Also, please don't use curse words for no reason. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:14, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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Does anybody here have an understanding for Japanese names? From what I know they can hint to belong to a specific gender right? If anybody have some knowledge of this please write. I got a bunch of names from this wiki i could use that help with. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 13:02, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
== Agira Ryūdōin ==
 
 
:There are names for men, women and both, yes. Male names usually have endings such as "maro"/"maru", while female names have endings such as "ko". [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:14, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
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== Chapter citations ==
Hello guys, I noticed that this charachter has no kanji name in his infobox. Why's that? Not like it's a important page, just that in such a good wikia it is somewhat disappointing.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 06:26, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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This wiki does not have a good way to get from a character's page, which cites the chapter number without a link, to the chapter article, which is filed under the chapter name and not number. You may have your own methods for navigating these, but if so they're not obvious to new users. I would suggest either using tfwiki's storylink template, or including a link to the chapter within the citations.
:Anime only characters don't have them, unless it's known. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 09:26, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I've checked the ending cast of the episode that he made his debut and I didn't find his voice actor then his full name. So it's unknown, otherwise it had been added for a long time. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 09:29, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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I would also suggest putting the latest episode and volume/chapter in the site navbar, for people coming to look up info on it.{{SUBST:KrytenKoroSig}} 02:59, March 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:[[User:Snapper2/Exam|Sample]], now without semantic queries. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 01:02, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
Has any one else stop seeing them? Like image addition, categories and so on? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:17, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I havent noticed anything different...--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:34, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Yes, I have noticed the detailed summaries have disappeared for a while now, Wikia probably removed the feature or something. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:45, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I mean for instance with the images I've added to Tobirama's article today, automatic annotations should've shown what was added, but instead nothing shows up. I guess it was a feature that was removed from the wikia.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:50, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::If you directly edit the source, they don't show up I guess.''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 19:03, September 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Chat ==
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== let's try this again.. ==
this wiki has a poll i see. what do you think of adding a chat and a "articel of the month" or someting like that too?[[User:Iloveinoxxx|Iloveinoxxx]] ([[User talk:Iloveinoxxx|talk]]) 16:09, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:In several discussions that took place on the wiki, it was decided that we won't have chat. We are an encyclopedia, not a social networking site.''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 16:24, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
::oh thats sad but i understand but what about article of the month that is very normal on encyclopedias. thank you for your answer[[User:Iloveinoxxx|Iloveinoxxx]] ([[User talk:Iloveinoxxx|talk]]) 16:27, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Well, sounds like a community decision. Try starting a [[Forum:Index|Forum]].''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 16:31, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
I am trying thank you[[User:Iloveinoxxx|Iloveinoxxx]] ([[User talk:Iloveinoxxx|talk]]) 16:33, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
oh man i am not allowed to make a forum yet :( [[User:Iloveinoxxx|Iloveinoxxx]] ([[User talk:Iloveinoxxx|talk]]) 16:34, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:We also tried that idea when we redid the homepage. We don't have any time or need to debate which article deserves special mention on the website. We're honestly not that type of wikia.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:49, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
Then what kind of wikia is this? are there even more tyopes?[[User:Iloveinoxxx|Iloveinoxxx]] ([[User talk:Iloveinoxxx|talk]]) 17:01, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:But I agree that we should think of ways to get the community involved in something's that can improve this wiki, this may of already been discussed but whats the wiki's opinion about having blogs? --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 13:24, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/526/Kakashi-ANBU-Special-Drawings-Kakasgi-Guy.jpg
== Preferable pics ==
 
   
What type of pics is prefered here? the closeup ones like [[:File:Shee.png|this]] or more distance ones like [[:File:Gaara_part_2_720p.png|this]]? --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 14:45, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Has anybody found a more clear version of this image?? I'm trying to get their height in cm from the image but its wayyyy to blurry and small. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 05:27, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
 
:I'm pretty sure that Pierrot will post an article in their blog about this arc. So, it's better to wait for their release, it'll be more cleaned than this. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 09:54, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
 
I hope so, they haven't touched the blog in awhile though. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:45, March 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Distant ones are preferred where possible. I don't think it really matters, as long as it's not "in your face". Also, fixed your links. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:48, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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== Information from card games? ==
:: Alright, think I will change some of those which I see as closeup, but of corse not to far away.
 
How did you do that, seem to have forgotten how? --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 15:42, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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How does this wikia stand on information from the Naruto card games? I know that we already have used them to get names for a few characters, like [[Suiu]]. Do we also trust/believe in what they say about rank? --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 14:46, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:The TCG are not accurate and are considered fanon, due to the nonsense information they state. As such, we don't use them for any info, unless it's a totally last resort, like in the case you described. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:47, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Alright so we don't add rank to characters from them because they are stated as fanon correct? even though the character don't have a rank ATM.? --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 14:52, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Correct, ranks are only added if they're outright stated in the manga, anime or a databook, with preference to databooks unless the character appears in anime filler. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:53, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::: Great! Good to have that clarified. --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 14:55, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
 
== Weapons ==
Another question regarding pics. I see in some they persons have bruises, if I am able to remove those, is it better then? --[[User:Kasan94|Kasan94]] ([[User talk:Kasan94|talk]]) 19:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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There are some pages on this wikia of weapons that are only links to wikiapedia, could real articles be made about them that have the descriptions and uses and such. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 16:49, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
Actually with the example of C, there's nothing wrong with that image or the space in it. The image with Gaara in it would actually look better cropped in the infobox instead of looking so small and far away. There's no need to change close up images in that regard. For images with bruises if different ones can be found and agreed on, that's fine otherwise I see no reason we can't cover them up.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:22, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
Does anyone agree that these weapons should have real articles and not just links? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 16:01, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
== I'm lost on this.. ==
 
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:I agree creating articles for those. Create a forum page about this. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|<span style="color:#8B008B;">'''IndxcvNovelist'''</span>]] <sup><span style="color:#1E90FF;">→[[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] • [http://www.wattpad.com/user/indxcvnovelist watty]←</span></sup> 16:13, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
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== Transmigration ==
Someone told me that there were shippuden filler episodes that showed what Neji, Hinata and the other konoha kids looked like between part 1 and part 2. Supposedly its training scenes for them. Can someone tell me what episodes those are? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:30, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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Transmigration is becoming more and more of a prevalent topic in the series. Shouldn't there be a page for it? [[User:Yangtroplis11|Yangtroplis11]] ([[User talk:Yangtroplis11|talk]]) 03:22, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
== Timeline ==
 
   
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:It should probably be noted somewhere, but since there isn't really a whole lot to say about it, now might be a good time to bring up [[Talk:Narutopedia/Archive_4#Glossary|this]] again.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 04:14, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
I think we should make a timeline with references and proof. We can use ShounenSuki's timeline dates as a start then correct them from there. Or we can make it from scratch. I am willing to help with this, who else is?? BTW I think this should be somethine we all work on not just one person, that way if Elve, Cerez, Seelentau, myself, and Omnibender and the rest get on it then we can make it as good as possible with the most accuracy. Keep in mind we have to use Manga and Databook info with references, then Anime info only to fill in some blanks. Thoughts?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 08:43, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Don't count me in, not yet. It isn't needed that much, but I'm sure one day it will be made. I believe now that it would be best to wait first until the manga is over and all books and shi* are released. Once Kishi doesn't have any more words left to add to "Naruto" (ruining it more and more in the process, be honest, it sucks as of late) some of us can then over-analyze it to no end, trying to connect everything, make timeline and search for deeper meanings that might not even be there for sentimental reasons or otherwise.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:49, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::You are free to make your own user page and create a timeline. As or an official one, I disagree entirely. They are unreliable most of the time an cause nothing but strife and confusion especially with deviations in canon media.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:05, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
== .svg files ==
Valid points, I agree. Elve you are definitely right. This will have to wait until everything is over with. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 13:52, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
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Who on this wikia can make those .svg files, that we use for clan symbols etc.? --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 21:59, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
:I don't want to praise myself too much, but I guess I have the most valid timeline out there. Feel free to translate it ^_^ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:30, December 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
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:I believe most of the svg's on this wiki were created by ShounenSuki, but as he's now left the wiki, I don't think anyone here can create them. I believe one random user did show up and made a couple of svg's, but I'm pretty sure the wiki has no svg file makers at present (at least, as far as I'm aware of) --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:03, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
::Not to bud in, but I am free to help make this timeline if anyone decides to make an official one. Just send me a message on my talkpage, so I know. ^-^ --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 15:11, December 1, 2013 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
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:: I know there was someone, I believe it was something like SasukeUzumaki, but yea he's no longer active.. That sucks! --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 22:07, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 
Nice. So that makes 3 people in on this. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:10, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Alright so your timeline is damn near perfection, maybe a few more tweaks and additions and it will be good so far, BUT even after using google translate on it, lots of things were not in good grammer, If you are willing to copy and past that into a new page here on the U.S. wiki then we can all fix the translated grammer over time here. What do you say?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:50, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Wiki design? ==
 
 
Naruto isn't all about BELIEVE IT and Konoha anymore, the design of this wiki is more fitting for when it first started and was airing on old Toonami. Now the tone has drastically changed, and the focus has shifted more towards the enemies and the current war, instead of Naruto and his childlike dreaming and declarations.
 
 
I think the design is a bit jarring especially when this wiki is full of precise information on a complex universe. Take a look at the Bleach wiki which looks much cooler. Can we get something like that? Bright colors are annoying, maybe we can have more symbols instead of just the Konoha symbol...I propose a manga image of the Valley of the Ends with Madara statue on one side and Hashirama statue on the other, with kid Sasuke and Naruto standing on each side respectively.
 
 
The title art could also remove believe it, I mean it isn't even in the english dub anymore, its too irrelevant to have in the title.
 
 
Where's the quality control here?--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 23:34, December 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:1) Dat Believe It logo is old. Like very old. Until someone comes along with the ability to make a better one (note: i said better one. Just getting rid of the Believe It does not make it better), it stays. I personally like it cause it's a nice bit of legacy considering it's been up there since the Wikia was first created.
 
:2) Using images for wallpaper is a amazing gray area we typically try not mess with to often. Again, personal preference, but I like the simple uniform orange background with the Konoha symbol. Just because Kishimoto decided to take the series down a dark path don't mean we have to ignore the hyperactive knucklehead ninja that got us to fall in love with the series in the first place.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 02:30, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Erm so the reason the wiki looks like its designed for 7 year olds is cuz nostalgia about the beginning of the series? What kind of justification is that? People use this thing for debates, trying to understand the story in a more in depth way, coming up with theories, and most of all fueling their imagination to develop their own stories and ideas with Kishimoto's ninja universe. This brightly colored kidish look doesn't do the series justice when One Piece and Bleach have cool slick looking wiki's. The articles in this wiki aren't messy, they're quality and leave no details out, yet the design looks like it was thrown together in a second, it looks like a joke, and yeah ok "haha we're gonna leave it like this cuz it pisses you off trolololol" could be your reply but I'm sure many people visiting this site think like I do that this design doesn't fit Naruto's complex dark story at all. Hell, even Rock Lee's Springtime of Youth wiki looks 10x better, that's ridiculous. Please, just take my advice and change it. Lets have Sasuke on one side atop Madara's statue and Naruto upon Hashirama's statue on the other, that's probably the most symbolically significant image within the story. Or at least get a better color scheme, since when has diarrhea orange and brown been a nice looking background scheme for anything. Maybe black and orange, like Naruto's costume, but this is a joke.--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 04:18, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::: The one piece wiki has a design similar to our wiki, except that they have a fixed background.
 
::: The bleach wiki on the other hand; has a very distracting background. The pages are completely transparent and a hot-cold colour mixed background which makes things unreadable and comes very hard on eyes. The general white font makes it OK but still its a strain on the eye especially the blue links on blue. The level 2 section headings are red and being the same colour as of background are hard to be distinguished (It comes to me as if its a [[Special:Wantedpages|Wanted Page]]). Overall, It seems to have been designed to make the reader lose focus on the content and keep staring at the background ( Its really that great :) ). Also the amount of css/scripts they use, makes the site a bit laggy. '''No offence, its just an opinion.'''
 
::: We are a wiki. The content is the most important aspect of it and if its unreadable, how much ever minimum it might be, its bad, really bad.
 
::: We always were focused on the content and will remain so. Anything that help the user better understand the concepts, storyline or to easily navigate the wiki will always be welcome.
 
::: That being said, I do agree that the wiki needs a better background. If you have any image, feel free to discuss it, but a ''bleach-wiki'' based theme is something that would never work here. The current word-mark seems good to me.--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 11:30, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::: I agree about the Bleach wiki now, but it used to look a lot better they recently changed the background. However I still believe this one has the worst design, it looks like Naruto drank some bad milk and had orange diarrhea with brown leaf shaped ramen chunks floating around in it. Sorry for the graphic description, but how about something like this [[http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/valleyoftheend2_zps52a8ffd0.png]]--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 14:40, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::: I would personally prefer an anime image but its ultimately the community's call.--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 14:47, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::: though the manga tends to have better artwork and I think the black and white looks not only more epic and iconic but its also more neutral and will blend in with the site more. Bleach's wiki used to have a pretty manga image of Ichigo which looked great idk why they changed it to a distracting deviant art wallpaper but wtvr. But tell me that doesn't look great, Valley of the End is a huge turning point in the series and perhaps the most iconic scene in the whole story, symbolizing the struggle between chaotic vengeance (Madara and Sasuke) and love and order (Hashirama and Naruto).--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 15:02, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Quality control? Apparently you haven't been here long enough to realise: we do not concern ourselves with trivial things like what people see in white space of the wikia — personally I feel if you don't like it, simply change your preferences to exclude it. There is nothing wrong with our logo: logos aren't things that should be changing all the time. With regards to the background it is the same: why should we end up changing g either of those at every crucial integral in the story? Maybe add decorations for each season and end up possibly offending someone? I'm not opposed to change entirely, I am opposed to having to come and constantly change the background to suit every turn of events in the story. Maybe a nice neutral backdrop of the symbols of all the villages instead of just Konoha would be nice — it's the same sentiments we tried to convey on the homepage using different images rather than just ones of Naruto. I cannot agree with changing the logo though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:07, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:I'm not proposing we change it to reflect the current arc, but like you suggested a nicer looking background with all the village symbols would be much nicer, or a heavily symbolic scene like the Valley of the End would be cool too. But the one we have is just Jarring. Check out the link I posted above and tell me if you think that's cool, but I like your idea of a collage of the village symbols, perhaps on a black background this time, since the diarreha brown-organce just makes me sick...but for real though--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 15:13, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::I will put my foot down on that. No black. There are enough wikias on the Internet that are black. No black. Ever. Noooo.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:34, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:: for good reason, black is nice on the eyes, this brownish orange gross junk is not, Naruto's color scheme is black and bright orange, or the classic blue and orange, that would work much better. Seriously, being unique is one thing, but this background like really needs to go imo.--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 15:51, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::And the consistent one in both of what you just said was Orange. Naruto = Orange. Not black. Enough black. Nooo.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:57, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::He certainly don't got brown, and the brown-orange in the wallpaper is not the color of the jumpsuit. And the leaf village scattered about is just so boring, it'd be better with a variety of symbols, look at the Rock Lee wiki's background, how is that so much better than the main Naruto wiki's background? I like my Valley of the end idea, its just beautiful, maybe if we can get a colored version of that manga image we could use that because the anime has terrible art for that scene.
 
 
Otherwise maybe a more pure orange background with white symbols of all the villages would work...I would highly prefer a black background with bright orange faded symbols lined up like they are on the rock lee wiki--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 16:36, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Background image Valley of the end ==
 
 
Ok I'm pretty proud of this, I think it looks awesome, what do you think.
 
[http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/valleyoftheend3_zpsfa9d2023.png]--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 17:43, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Looks good to me--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 17:48, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::I also did this lol...I could make a higher quality version if I had the viz ebook scan lol, I think I like it best, what do you think, it gives it a unique orange color scheme but also reflects the current epic/dramatic tone of the series.[http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/lobsterr_zps6a7ae1ee.png]--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 18:55, December 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Naa. The previous one is much better. Could you link to a background-only image of it?''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 07:48, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::The first one looks better and I liked it. Also it should be fixed... —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 08:37, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::I'm with Shakhi and US on this. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:16, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Here's a background only image I made, the white in the middle shoudln't matter since you'll only see it if you scroll to the bottom and the bottoms of the waterfalls are white, but yeah [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/59ad6341-cb05-49d1-820d-a9e60e510dce_zps07a8dca2.png]
 
 
Maybe that would work, but I think a solid orange coloring of the manga scan would be cool too and look more stylish, and it has more negative space, but I do think we need something new.--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 23:06, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I liked the first one. This wiki, in my opinion, has long needed a good background image. What concerns me is if the top center is empty (white and blank)... [[User:vestros|vestros]] ([[User talk:vestros|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/vestros|contr]]) 23:32, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
::When does it ever show the top center of the wallpaper? {{Unsigned|NexCarnifex}}
 
:::[http://tinypic.com/r/2l8w2vd/5 The part circled in red in this image]. [[User:vestros|vestros]] ([[User talk:vestros|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/vestros|contr]]) 23:49, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::[http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/hashirama_zps1fbb97b8.png] here I'm doing this all in microsoft paint jsyk
 
 
::::orange variant, didn't use paint for this tho [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/orange_zpsee2f29a1.png]
 
 
::::, here's a new version of my other idea with the colored manga, though I made it better, [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/chocolate_zpsc775467a.png]<---I think this is nicest, but idk
 
::::And then an alternate version of that, with more of a solid 2 colors [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/chocolate2_zps736d0298.png]
 
 
::::Now looking with Firefox with adblock turned off I see the top and yeah I'd need to make the top parts bigger if they were to be used, but it wouldn't be hard.
 
--[[User:Nex Carnifex|Nex Carnifex]] ([[User talk:Nex Carnifex|talk]]) 02:50, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: The background-only image you linked seems to have some odd resolution. How did you manage to [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/valleyoftheend3_zpsfa9d2023.png fit it]?--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 19:49, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I used microsoft paint, cut out 2 parts of the image, and scaled them into the sides to see how it would look. I can give you the original imange here. [http://www.narutogt.it/files/gallerie/tv/shippuden/140/067.jpg]. Here are some more sizes [https://www.google.com/search?q=valley+of+the+end+naruto&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSXxpdCxCo1NgEGgIIBAwLELCMpwgaNgo0CAESDs8DH4kEBdMDEBOHBB0IGiD5yX81OIN3h49Jk7krKrWGpTmZh3Cnlya5aCtm-Kl2WgwLEI6u_1ggaCgoICAESBBx7M98M&sa=X&ei=LeaoUt3YGcK0ygHH-ICYBQ&ved=0CCgQ2A4oAQ&biw=1366&bih=642#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=ezZOVZItrmQIKM%3A%3Brrd-GAiBaviz1M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.narutogt.it%252Ffiles%252Fgallerie%252Ftv%252Fshippuden%252F140%252F067.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.narutogt.it%252FMadara_Uchiha.htm%3B1024%3B576]--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 22:23, December 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
----
 
So, would anyone be opposed to change the wiki's background to it? Just to avoid any confusion, here is the image I am talking about: [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/valleyoftheend3_zpsfa9d2023.png] [http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/59ad6341-cb05-49d1-820d-a9e60e510dce_zps07a8dca2.png]''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 07:24, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Way tooo blurry, too small, and is not dynamic for different screen sizes, also hate the scene for a wiki background. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 13:30, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I still think the background should be updated, the orange colorized manga scene version I think works better since it isn't blurry, there's more negative space with the sky making it less in your face, it's got more of a unique stylistic aesthetic, and Naruto and Sasuke are visible on the statues. Please give those another look, but regardless, the current one looks outdated and lazy.
 
::[http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/chocolate_zpsc775467a.png]
 
::[http://i700.photobucket.com/albums/ww10/Oblivio/chocolate2_zps736d0298.png]
 
::I'll try making one with symbols of all the villages that might be best--[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 19:15, December 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Might just leave the designing team a message. They'd probably be able to help better on this.''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 17:28, December 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== The timeline being brought over ==
 
 
This little project is in it's infancy as of now, as it needs to be organized more and grammer fixed since I used google translate on Seelentau's timeline and he helped create the sub page for it here. Anybody wanting to organize and correct grammar, add references and what not is welcome to. Consider this page a community page and anyone can contribute on it, but do not change ANY dates or add any info without discussing it with Seelentau, myself and everyone else first. Thank you. I now will need to get some sleep as being up all night today was a bad idea [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 13:02, December 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User:ItachiWasAHero/Timeline
 
 
== video idea ==
 
 
I was wondering for jutsu info boxes, can vids of the jutsu be put there instead? I think a lot of people would agree to this. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 23:35, December 21, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec
 
 
:Except the fact we don't like using videos here. Gray area is...far to big.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:49, December 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Ohhh, I understand. So the users of this wikia are just lazy. If I could I would do it for every single jutsu but my computer wont let me. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 01:27, December 22, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec
 
 
== Reference material is incomplete ==
 
 
The Herobook is missing on here. It is indeed a Databook and it is canon info. It needs to be added and translated. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 18:47, January 1, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Idea??? ==
 
 
I was wondering if we should add pronunciations to these pages because some people don't know it anyone agree? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 14:04, January 7, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 
:For what exactly? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:04, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 
::I don't see any reason to add such a thing to the pages. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:12, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
If your talking about a certain character like say take torune for example when I saw that name I thought it was pronounced To-ruun but it is pronounced To-ru-nae. This is a common thing that I think should be added somewhere. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 14:16, January 7, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 
:It's pronounced to-ru-ne, with the ru sounding somewhat like a mix of ru and lu. Japanese is quite easy to pronounce, you just need to say it as it is written, most of the time. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:18, January 7, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Alright well its not really needed but thanks for replying. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 14:20, January 7, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 
 
== Help Needed!!! ==
 
 
I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but can you guys stop editing pages like Madara,Naruto,Kakashi etc. for five minutes and work as a community to make lesser pages like [[Kanpachi]], [[Emina]],[[Okami]] etc. better. These pages need personality and appearance sections along with some others while the articles you guys are all working on don't need them. Ive basically worked on most of these lesser pages by myself with a few exceptions. I'm sure the higher-ups agree with this too. Thanks [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 13:56, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 
 
:No. This message is totally pointless. This is a community wiki and people have the right to edit any page they want. Bigger pages need more care so that they don't become biased and overloaded with pointless information. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 13:59, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
I completely understand that but I wasn't telling anyone what to do. I'm just asking for help hence the section name( Help Needed!!! ). [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 14:03, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 
:I doubt that anybody will bother with them since they are unimportant, as well as uninteresting.[[User:Idontcareaboutmyname|Idontcareaboutmyname]] ([[User talk:Idontcareaboutmyname|talk]]) 15:11, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
WoW you guys are lazy, its a wiki. I guess ill do it all myself then because I care about the wiki as a whole not just one or two pages. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:14, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 
:just because we don't care about everything you do does not mean we are lazy people. Don't be so quick so judge others when their behaviour does not fit your liking.[[User:Idontcareaboutmyname|Idontcareaboutmyname]] ([[User talk:Idontcareaboutmyname|talk]]) 15:16, January 8, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
Thats fine , I asked a general question and it should be answeared by more then one person. The wiki will never be complete even after the series is over if no one helps with these pages.[[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:17, January 8, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
 

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Names

Does anybody here have an understanding for Japanese names? From what I know they can hint to belong to a specific gender right? If anybody have some knowledge of this please write. I got a bunch of names from this wiki i could use that help with. --Kasan94 (talk) 13:02, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

There are names for men, women and both, yes. Male names usually have endings such as "maro"/"maru", while female names have endings such as "ko". Seelentau 愛 13:14, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter citations

This wiki does not have a good way to get from a character's page, which cites the chapter number without a link, to the chapter article, which is filed under the chapter name and not number. You may have your own methods for navigating these, but if so they're not obvious to new users. I would suggest either using tfwiki's storylink template, or including a link to the chapter within the citations.

I would also suggest putting the latest episode and volume/chapter in the site navbar, for people coming to look up info on it.{{SUBST:KrytenKoroSig}} 02:59, March 20, 2014 (UTC)

Sample, now without semantic queries. ~SnapperTo 01:02, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

let's try this again..

http://images.saiyanisland.com/data/526/Kakashi-ANBU-Special-Drawings-Kakasgi-Guy.jpg

Has anybody found a more clear version of this image?? I'm trying to get their height in cm from the image but its wayyyy to blurry and small. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:27, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that Pierrot will post an article in their blog about this arc. So, it's better to wait for their release, it'll be more cleaned than this. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:54, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

I hope so, they haven't touched the blog in awhile though. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:45, March 25, 2014 (UTC)

Information from card games?

How does this wikia stand on information from the Naruto card games? I know that we already have used them to get names for a few characters, like Suiu. Do we also trust/believe in what they say about rank? --Kasan94 (talk) 14:46, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

The TCG are not accurate and are considered fanon, due to the nonsense information they state. As such, we don't use them for any info, unless it's a totally last resort, like in the case you described. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 14:47, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
Alright so we don't add rank to characters from them because they are stated as fanon correct? even though the character don't have a rank ATM.? --Kasan94 (talk) 14:52, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
Correct, ranks are only added if they're outright stated in the manga, anime or a databook, with preference to databooks unless the character appears in anime filler. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 14:53, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
Great! Good to have that clarified. --Kasan94 (talk) 14:55, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Weapons

There are some pages on this wikia of weapons that are only links to wikiapedia, could real articles be made about them that have the descriptions and uses and such. Munchvtec (talk) 16:49, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Does anyone agree that these weapons should have real articles and not just links? Munchvtec (talk) 16:01, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

I agree creating articles for those. Create a forum page about this. ~IndxcvNovelist talkcontribswatty 16:13, May 30, 2014 (UTC)

Transmigration

Transmigration is becoming more and more of a prevalent topic in the series. Shouldn't there be a page for it? Yangtroplis11 (talk) 03:22, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

It should probably be noted somewhere, but since there isn't really a whole lot to say about it, now might be a good time to bring up this again.--BeyondRed (talk) 04:14, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

.svg files

Who on this wikia can make those .svg files, that we use for clan symbols etc.? --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 21:59, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I believe most of the svg's on this wiki were created by ShounenSuki, but as he's now left the wiki, I don't think anyone here can create them. I believe one random user did show up and made a couple of svg's, but I'm pretty sure the wiki has no svg file makers at present (at least, as far as I'm aware of) --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 22:03, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
I know there was someone, I believe it was something like SasukeUzumaki, but yea he's no longer active.. That sucks! --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 22:07, August 12, 2014 (UTC)