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== How old is Naruto? ==
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The latest Chapter 643 states that the Naruto World is currently on the night before Naruto's birthday, which is October 9th. Doing the math, Naruto's age right now should be 16 years and a few months. Or was he never 15 in the first place? Should we make Naruto's age 15-17 now?{{unsigned|Kadio123}}
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So, which Mode did he use in 700+4? Right now, I see the article mentioning both Six Paths Sage Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode in different sections. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:47, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
:We're not changing his age. The manga says that, in-universe, his birthday is the next day (tomorrow). He's only 16 right now. Everything stays the same until it changes days in the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:There's no way of knowing for certain, but the lack of eye pigmentation would indicate it was Six Paths Sage Mode, would it not? Even though the magatama and horns are missing, but those have been a part of all of these modes.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 12:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::I'd say it could be Six Paths Sage Mode (with both halves of Kurama) because of black undergarments, no pigmentation near eye, no glowing skin. The design looks like Tailed beast Sage Mode because he lacks Magatama markings. In the Last he used something like tailed beast mode, so this is something different.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No way to know for sure. But he lacked the horns and the Truth-Seeking Balls so I'm going to assume Nine-Tails ChakraMode.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:Aww come on its clearly six paths sage mode, the pigmentation not present already determines it. The magatama not present is not really important in determining the mode cause actually al the modes has it and the horns are not present cause naruto has cropped his hair now.[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 13:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)[[User:BoltUzumakiXD]] (talk) 9:02, May 21, 2015
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::Would lack of TSB be a reliable indicator though? Naruto got fewer and fewer when fighting Madara and Kaguya, and they didn't regenerate. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:07, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I see there's thick markings on his face, no Sage pigmentation, but that doesn't seem to be his [[Six Paths Sage Mode]]. Look at his shoulders, body and his hands in the chapter and compare it to [[:File:Naruto_TailedBeast_Mode.png|this image]]. Looked more like his Tailed Beast Sage Mode. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 13:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:guys come on the no pigmentation was the six paths sage modes first sign. and by the way when did naruto ever enter his TBSM without sage mode pigmentation. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 13:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::@TheUltimate3, How lack of horns is pro Nine-Tails Chakra Mode argument because Naruto had them in this mode too, i think this lack is due his short hair cut. Magatama thing: yes he lacks RM markings on back but same time he lacks KM markings on neck. Now eyes and skin thing: in Last we seen that when Naruto uses KM+SM he has pigmentation and his skin glowing so this speaks against KM+SM mode. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:56, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Two tabs for long character articles ==
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And there was no magatama nor Rinnegan markings on the back either, so it can't be SPSM. Jesus, Kishi. Gonna go do something real quick. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki/Archive_12#Tabs_in_articles Sorry for bringing this up again], but I just think we can have two tabs ('Introduction', 'Plot') for long character articles (those that have over 75,000 bytes, more or less), since the plot section on certain characters keeps on growing. This way, we can still use the table of contents. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 05:23, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:There is actually another possibility as well, but it's confusing. According to the databook entry, the mode Naruto entered when he kicked Madara's Truth-Seeking Ball -- which looked just like regular Sage Mode with no pigmentation -- is Six Paths Sage Mode. The chakra cloak that didn't cover his skin is ''not'' Six Paths Sage Mode, it's just something he can do while in Six Paths Sage Mode. We never saw either of his regular chakra cloaks after that point in the manga, so for all we know they were permanently replace by the new chakra cloak, just like the form in The Last replaced them. Based on all of the forms being called "Kurama Link Mode" or some such in Retsu no Sho, it seems like Kishimoto doesn't really distinguish between them the way we do. They're all basically considered the same thing.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 15:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
: I'm just going to be honest, I've seen this done before on a wiki I'm apart of, as well as over on the ''Bleach'' wiki and it just doesn't look good. I know, we're not really shooting for looks here, but, trust me, its really doesn't look good anywhere I've seen it. Aside from the visual appearance, its a bit of a hassle for editors, and can get confusing as for what to add where. Let's add to that the fact that its unnecessary. Yes, being the titular character, Naruto has a very long article, but I can load it in less than two seconds on a speedy connection and under a minute on a slow one, like the one I have at college or on my phone's Wi-Fi. I honestly don't think its necessary. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 05:31, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::Okay. In Retsu no Sho, all of Naruto's modes (save SPSM), whether it be Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, Kurama Link Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, or Tailed Beast Sage Mode, are all classified as "Kurama Chakra Mode" in that book. At least we know he used that. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:15, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
::Oh well then, at least I got to say what I want to say. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 06:03, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:@WindStar, with same reasoning i can say: no magatama on neck, so it can't be "Kurama Chakra Mode". let's call it New Chakra Mode then :D. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
:::I've seen it done on One piece and honestly I would have no problem splitting someone like Naruto or Sasuke's arcs from the appearance abilities and especially personality.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:36, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::I just realized that Naruto body pattern is most similar to Naruto's Kurama-Asura chakra avatar from second VotE fight. ./[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
::::As another idea related to this, why not do something like Naruto_Uzumaki/Background and Naruto_Uzumaki/Appearance and load them into the page using {{Tlx|Main with-include}} ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:34, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::@Rage gtx: The movie. Naruto had Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode, with no horns. Pulling straight from the new, it's simply the complete Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode that we saw in the film, just now he has a cloak on that also starts to glow.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
:::::If absolutely necessary, I would prefer Speysider's solution since that seems more consistent with our current design of articles (we use it for Relationships, etc on [[Naruto]]'s page already).''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 10:32, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::@TheUltimate3, you understand that Naruto can't have horns with short hairs and evens so why horns are indicators of anything? He had them since gaining of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And then again when he uses Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode he has eyelid pigmentation and skin glow ./[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
:::::: I'm still against it, but, if its is absolutely necessary that we start splitting up articles (we'll have to the same for Obito and Madara soon enough if we start with Naruto and Sasuke), then I too would vote for Speysider's route. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:40, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::::I always assumed the "horns" were made out of chakra, but if they were hair that may actually be the reason. As for his form in The Last, what was it that made everybody (myself included) assume that form was the incomplete "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" rather than the complete "Kurama Mode"? It has the full black circles, the thick lines on his face, the slitted eyes, and he enters it when manifesting Kurama. The only thing it has in common with the first chakra mode is that its design is simpler, but that cold just be a stylistic choice. I haven't seen the movie yet, so was there anything in it that made people believe that?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 16:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
What is Speysider's route? But TheUltimate3 would prefer it if we had to move the plot off article, because it would be weird to move background, abilities and personality off page.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:42, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:come on guys tell me youre not seriously pointing out that its his normal kurama mode just because hes missing 'horns' and stuff of course its gonna change and Its clearly his SPSM cause just the eyes indicate it already. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 16:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
: You just looooooove referring to yourself in third person, don't you >.> Anyways, if I understand Speysider correctly, and I think I do, he suggest move, say, the plot section (as you advised) to "Naruto Uzumaki/Plot", then, on the main article (this one), in the Plot section, we just use <nowiki>{{Main-with-include}}</nowiki> so that it will give a short blurb on the article, while leaving a "main" link to the new article. That way we don't make the article look tacky with three different tabs hovering at the top like on One Piece Wiki, which, I have to disagree with Cerez on - it looks hideous. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:49, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::We don't just add our own speculative opinion to articles, that is really not how it works. Also, fix your signature, since it includes an unnecessary link and a useless date. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
:: Yes as of now I do find that enjoyable. And yes that sounds fine. If someone can whip up a sandbox to see what it looks like, that'll be cool.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:56, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Comparing to the image that Windy just showed it, it clearly looks like '''Kurama Mode''' Although we can't say he has glowing skin because the manga is B/W and the lack of pigmentation around his eyes does indicate it is Six Paths Sage Mode but as BeyondRed said we are differentiating it Kishimoto didn't differentiate like how we do, so it could mean that it is just the effect of power that Hagoromo gave so that's why he doesn't have pigmentation, no glowing skin etc. Horn aren't good indicator for differentiating the modes every mode has this, in SPSM it is small in length, last 3 TSB were lost in VOTE2 so no they are also not indicators.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::like i said the mode looks clearly like the SPSM how could it be a kurama chakra mode. When we al know that the only way we can differentiate KCM from SPSM in an uncolored chapter are the eyes and in this case the pigmentations out so obviously its SPSM right. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 17:16, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::It looks like we already came to a compromise, it is reflected in articles and added that it is a mix of several modes. I agree it has Kurama mode designs no denying that (except the magatama and horn portion) but it also has characteristics of SPSM no pigmentation, so it is a mix of SPSM + KM.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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: I still think its just Six Path Sage Mode, the difference from the War is now that Naruto has Kurama's full power behind him, instead of just Yin or Yang. More chakra from that would change the appearance. But it still has the traits of Six Path Sage Mode, no pigmentation around the eyes is a dead give away.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
Tabs are a short term solution. Because this article is a mound of garbage large enough to eclipse the sun. To break down its size:
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No pigmentation can just mean he isn't using Senjutsu chakra. I mean, can you see his eyes well in the chapter?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Yes, they are crossed, just like in Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode lacks pigmentation around the eyes, Elve.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:48, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I know that, I was asking about the cross. Well if it's there, it's Six Paths Sage Mode without a doubt. Also as was stated, Truth Seeking Balls don't regenerate, he has used them up.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:52, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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Then that should settle it then, that its the six paths sage mode. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 00:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Nope. Still undecided. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:48, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::ughhhh. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 00:50, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Also, just type in <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your posts. The rest is not necessary. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::May I ask, where do we get the sense that all of his skin does not glow yellow? It's a black and white manga picture, for crying out loud. Again, look at his hands in the recent chapter and compare it to [[:File:Naruto_TailedBeast_Mode.png|this image]]. His hands do indeed glow in the image, no?
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::::Unfortunately, I foresee us debating this for days. I think it's best to say that he accessed a mode with characteristics of his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, and Six Paths Sage Mode, rather than definitively picking which mode it is and ignoring characteristics of other modes. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 01:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::wait what? [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 01:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::: Windstar, its obviously Six Path Sage Mode. Know why it has more characteristics to the other forms? He has more of Kurama's power than he had when he first obtained it. He's also changed his own appearance since then, he lost the 'horns' due to cutting his hair. The eyes show its Six Path Sage Mode. there's literally no debate.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::And the consensus seems to be that it IS Six Path Sage Mode, not the lower forms.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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Naruto's article is never going to be short, but it can be proportioned better than it currently is. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:20, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Not sure if this is what's being suggested, but we could do it like they do in the Avatar Wiki. For the really big pages, usually main characters, articles are split per season. We could simply make sub pages for Part I and Part II, and then put an abridged version of the events in the section of the main article, with a link to the sub-page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:38, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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But the rest of the body shows Kurama Mode, as I've shown with the image. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:01, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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: Since he has more of Kurama's power than he had before. The full power of Kurama dwarfs the small pieces of the rest of the Tailed Beasts. And as people pointed out before, Six Path Sage Mode is the form that was first used against Madara, the cross eyes.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Okay? And his Tailed Beast Sage Mode also has cross eyes. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::: But that has the crucial ''pigmentation'' around the eyes. Tailed Beast Sage Mode has the Sage Mode pigmentation. Six Path Sage Mode lacks the pigmentation even with the chakra cloak.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::This is just going to go around in circles, I suppose. Hm... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: From the looks of his mode, and appearance, He used Kurama beast mode, cause of the patterns on him, and the way he had the form look. If it was Nine tail Chakra mode, it could have looked like Minatos a bit where he had everything yellow. This is Kurama's mode.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::: Dude, the Kurama Tailed Beast Mode is just a normal or slitted pupil. Six Path Sage Mode has the cross pupil without the Sage Mode pigmentation around the eyes.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
So in essence it's look kinda like Jacce's request page? @Snapper easier said than done. I've personally tried to Marshall the content that people put into articles for Naruto and others like him and no matter what we do sometimes it gets thrown out of proportion by over zealous fan editors then stuff sneaks up on you or else is repeated half a dozen times. I'd be all for cutting some of these enormous articles down to size it's just that at times it's nothing short of a Herculean task.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:32, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Let me also point out that Kurama in some Manga translation states that Naruto was finally going to use Kurama's chakra to stretch and cut loose, plus remember, Kishimoto forgets to add details to a lot of things. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: So can we just agree its Six Path Sage Mode now? The traits of the eyes were the dead give away.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: Or this is his new Six Path Sage Mode. What 'forgets details', its clearly Six Path Sage Mode. If there was no cross in the eyes, it would be just Kurama mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Kishimoto can forget to add more details, he done it before. But the mode resembles greatly of Kurama Tailed beast mode. From the patterns and all. It looks nothing like Sage Six path mode, as Naruto didn't have the patterns on the back like that form, he could have used the "normal" Form of the six path mode, where he had no pigmentation., but used Kurama tailed beast mode at the same time.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::ughh so do you mean that just cause a form changes you already imply it as KCM how may times should this be repeated, KCM shows the eye markings and SPSM dosent deal with it. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 02:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::KingLinks, your comparison doesn't work. Looks nothing like Six Path Sage Mode? Six Path Sage Mode is just the eyes. Naruto was in Six Path Sage Mode in chapter 672. The trademark is the cross eyes WITHOUT the Sage Pigmentation around the eyes. This chapter showed the eyes having the cross pattern lacking Sage Pigmentation, the trait of Six Path Sage Mode. Thus, Six Path Sage Mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::I am saying as stated above before, that he could be using KCM with the SPSM Normal form that only involves the eyes, like when he fought Madara before all Yellow.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::And according to the databook, THAT form which he engaged Madara in was Six Path Sage Mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::I am not going against that, I am jsut saying he could be using both at the same time. IS that a problem to agree with? — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
:Yeah, that's the rub. I'd always tell myself that I ''could'' shorten X article/section, but then I'd need to do it again at a later date. Like showering; why bother?
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Either it's Kurama Mode with Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode, not whatever you're suggesting. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:That's why I don't do either anymore.
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:And why can't it be both? It looks like it can.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:Although, I wonder if maybe the problem was trying to prune the hedge that others had grown when the real solution was to burn the hedge down and plant a new one.
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::it cant be both cause what the KCM can do can also be done by SPSM but with greater power[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 02:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:Quandaries... '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 07:07, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::This is going to go on and on and on.... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Windstar, it explicitly can't be Tailed Beast Sage Mode. The pigmentation lacking shows its Six Path Sage Mode utilizing Kurama's power.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:53, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Cool. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Seeing how this will not end, I suppose the only thing to do is to wait for the next time he goes into that form, or Kishimoto tells us what it is. Because I thin kit can be both, due to KCM has more appearance to it than it being SPSM in the chakra cloak.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Look, do what you want, SuperSaiyaMan. You're much more willing to argue than I am, so go ahead. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
::[[User:Speysider/Naruto_Uzumaki]]. Created this by just including the Abilities section from the page (I copied the whole contents of the Abilities heading into a subpage of this sandbox page called /Abilities). Thoughts ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 07:13, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Um, I never thought I would see this coming, but I completely agree with SuperSaiyanMan now. It's obviously SPSM.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 02:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: so what, we just go with KCM just cause he looks like his previous KCM form and just disregard the fact that he lacks the pigmentation which clearly indicates that its SPSM?! come on [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:02, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Call it SPSM with KCM chakra cloak, cause the cloak looks of it.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
:::As I've already stated, I would rather things like abilities stay on page. But to be quite honest, that can be solved by just having a nonfanboyish approach to his ability section.
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Are you guys purposely disregarding what was said? The cloak isn't indicative of SPSM, the eyes are.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 03:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::*Because honestly, the boy does in total Shadow Clones, Nine-Tails chakra, Rasengan, Sage Tech, say what you want but Taijutsu is minor.
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:What I am trying to say, It is SPSM, with KCM chakra cloak.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::Instead of having an ability section bigger than most articles that section itself could just be trimmed (and when I say trimmed, I mean gutted.).--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:48, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::*sigh* it cant be like that one cant be joined with the other cause the SPSM is already the greatly enhanced form of KCM it would pe really ridiculous if you think that the two are in the form together[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
::::well if we do this we can attack other articles like these. More than enough of us seem willing to take a hatchet to some of these articles. Gentlemen, to the sandbox? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:28, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::And yet the the chakra cloak looks nothing on how it's suppose to, but seeing I can't make both sides agree, I give up, I'll wait for the next time he jumps into that form.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::::@TU3 That was just an example of what would be getting done, I just picked a random section that was fairly long to use to demonstrate it.
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:: *sigh* why cant people just accept the obvious evidence of it being SPSM *sigh* [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:14, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::::@Cerez I agree, there are probably quite a few "large" article that can have similar done to it (Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Obito etc) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:30, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Because SPSM not an entrenchment of KCM, it's its own form that Naruto can use and allows him to go to his tailed beast chakra mode because Kurama was his only true tailed beast. SPSM is the Sage's power, not Kurama's, Kurama is with the power due to naruto being with it now. But of course no one will listen because "eye is the answer" When the cloak is no where near what it needs to look like. So I stil suggest it being a SPSM with KCM cloak around it. But of course, with facts pointed on how the SPSM needs to look like, I can't argue much. IT has no truth seeing ball, nor the Rinnegan on the back of the cloak. So What ever, It's completely SPSM, and the cloak as well. SO as I said to make it easier it is SPSM but with KCM Chakra cloak appearance. Because SPSM Chakra cloak looks nothing like it did in the Manga. — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
::::::I see. Either way, well done because that just highlighted how stupid long his ability section has become.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:38, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:: then the simpiest explanation is that the mode changes just like how TBSM changed from the war to the last naruto the movie. And about the rinnegan marking on the back, he transformed his cloak which approbabbly altered the markings [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::::I don't think cutting all this will do good for the information. The Taijutsu section has became bare bones, doesn't mention the speed and strength increases he has nor does it mention that he's became faster than A, or even any of his taijutsu feats. I get that you're cutting the fat of the article, but it seems like you're purposely cutting the article to make him look weaker or something.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 03:15, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::"Strength" really loses its meaning when everything is made to seem like an accomplishment. Does Naruto use taijutsu reasonably often? Sure. Is he competent with it? Yes. Is he Rock Lee? Absolutely not. And yet, to read the previous version, he eats rocks for breakfast because he's just that omigosh strong.
 
::::::My main issue with the previous version of that section was that almost all of the examples came from when Naruto used senjutsu or some percentage of Kurama. Put another way: there was very little of base-Naruto, which that section should ideally focus on.
 
::::::That's not to say that everything that was cut was bad. The current version is pretty general and would benefit from some examples of Naruto's feats (which could also just be put into refs). I emphasize ''some'' examples, because there do not need to be '''literally eleven examples of how fast Naruto is.''' I really can't overstate how ridiculous that is, and in fact want to itemize it:
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he saved Sakura.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he restrained Kakashi.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he intercepted Asura Path.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he dodged Third Raikage.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he was thought to use Body Flicker Technique.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he surpassed A.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he moved around a map.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he "blitzed" Third Raikage.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he reacted before Minato.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he outmaneuvered Tailed Beast Balls.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he something with Wood Dragon.
 
::::::Use the absolute fastest example and no others. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:56, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:While trimming could help, it still doesn't change the fact the article is long. It can be solved just by employing the use of the {{Tlx|Main with-include}} template and subpages with LST. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:43, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I agree with Snapper. If we start listing abilities, not just here, but the whole site around, by the best known example of that particular skill set, instead of listing every single, minute detail, of every single action that these characters make, the articles would shrink by quite a bit, while retaining the importance of the most significant actions. Most of us are pretty conservative when it comes to adding mentions of abilities, but then there are others that think that every sneeze a character makes needs to be added to their Abilities section, and this just isn't so.
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The Rinnegan-like pattern on Naruto's back was the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal that Obito applied on Naruto to seal Shukaku and Gyuki's chakras into him. Naruto replaced the seal with a different one by the time of The Last, hence why there's no Rinnegan like pattern on his back anymore, use head people.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 03:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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: wait wait. Since when did naruto changed the seal onhis back or rather how did u know he replaced it? [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Observation and filling the gaps.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 04:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Isn't it just Kurama Mode with Senjutsu influence? Just look at his arms. In Kurama Mode, his arms have markings, in Six Paths Sage Mode - they don't. In 704, the arms had markings. Also, in SPSM, Naruto's outfit, with the exception of the cloak, becomes black, in Kurama's Mode - only his top part becomes black, with the lines going through the lower part. Based on these descriptions, I looks to be more like Kurama-enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Even the seal is different. In Kurama Chakra Mode it's a circle within a circle, same in 704, while in Six Paths Sage Mode it's a plain circle xD--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 06:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::While I do believe Elve pulled that straight out his ass (Ten-Tailed Coffin Seal sealing pieces of the One and Eight-Tails. Okay then.) the lack of the Six Paths Senjutsu mark is interesting, but at the same time he does lack the pigmentation of the eyes that denotes normal Sage Mode. Of course then there's the added fact that Kurama specifically stated "Hey glad you're actually using me again." and we know Naruto using Kurama's chakra = Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
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::::So instead of letting this pissing match continue further, I say we end this debate because until we see Naruto in that form and in color we're never going to know exactly which form he's in and just stick it under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like we did every form he's got that seems derived from it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:46, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Or we just name it as combined form of Kurama Mode+Six Paths Sage Mode which is his powerful new mode, KM (design-see circle and legs), SPSM (no pigmentation around eyes) I see people arguing that there can't be both, of course it can it is powerful form than just normal Kurama mode or lone SPSM, @TU3 I don't see any resemblance to Nine-Tails Chakra Mode The lines are thick he got three thick whiskers and you do know Kurama mode is upgrade for NTCM, when Kurama is inside him he can give large amount of chakra for Kurama mode because now there is no seal and it was removed by Naruto.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 10:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::2 Things.
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::::::1) He's ''glowing''. That's about the bare minimum of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. As I said, we won't know exactly what that form is until we see it in color, but at the very least we have an article that can serve as a "base", where all his forms are located anyway.
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::::::2) There is a seal, that's why the Nine-Tails is still in Naruto. The fact that the Nine-Tails is nolonger "locked in a cage" is the new circular opening on his stomach, which opened up the first time we saw him in Tailed Beast Mode (ignore the image in the infobox, that is an anime mistake. The one further down from the game is more accurate.)--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::Okay then. Agreed, it should be under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode article.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 11:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::Still ignoring that Six Paths Sage Mode is the crossed eyes without pigment disregarding cloak. The cloak is dependent on the seal used.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:To me, the fact Naruto's pupil are in a cross shape with no pigmentation around the eyes is proof enough he's using Six Paths Sage Mode. I agree it's weird that there are no Rinnegan and magatama on his back, but unless you want to say that Naruto can now enter Sage Mode with no pigmentation (which doesn't sound possible, according to <span title="the colour around the eyes is proof of a true Sage">Fukasaku</span>), well…--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]20:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Naruto was in Sage Mode the chapter before and you could clearly see the pigmentation. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 20:22, May 22, 2015(UTC)
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Did you guys ever consider that the Sage only gave Naruto Six Paths chakra. Naruto mixed that with sage mode to make Six Paths Sage Mode. That's not the chakra cloak, that's what Naruto had right before he equipped the cloak The reason the chakra cloak looks different against Madara is because he had the other tailed beasts chakra or because he only had Yin-Kurama, which altered the appearance. So since he only has full Kurama, it's just Kurama mode with Six paths sage mode activated, hence the lack of sage markings.[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 21:21, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Bump[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 00:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
Like I said to begin with, the page's length isn't really a concern. The series is almost over, he's the main character, its going to be long. The page still loads in under a minute, sometimes within mere seconds, and my connection is pretty crappy, so I know its okay for those of you with higher internet speeds. There really isn't any true need to split this article up. There just isn't. So, while if we ''have'' to do this, I prefer a combination of trimming the fat (all the extra references/examples where they're not needed) and Speysider's method of things, I really think a simple trimming of unneeded or redundant information is the better solution of it all. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:53, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
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What don't people get? SPSM ISN'T the cloak, it's crossed eyes without pigment. According to databook Naruto was using that form while he kicked Madara's TSB and that was without any cloak, point is, don't look at the cloak to determine if it is or isn't SPSM since it has no relevance because it is SPSM even without any cloak.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:56, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Exactly, and during his fight with Sasuke, Sasuke said that he was running out of the TB chakras. So now that it's been years after, he's most likely using SPSM, but his cloak is Kurama Mode since he only has full Kurama now.[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 13:06, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No one seems to care the articles have it wrong and what the databooks say, but oh well.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I changed it on Naruto's page but....whatever[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 15:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::@Riptide240 and you changed wrong. In chapter 692 Sage stated about TB chakra being in Naruto, so with it, your edits are no good. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Nope, look a few chapters after, Sasuke said they were beginning to fade away or that he was running out. Obviously, that was after the Sage said that so....[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 15:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::This was not about it, Sasuke compared his 8TB + half Kurama to Naruto's portions and half Kurama saing he has more and mentoned Naruto running low on chakra(not TB's overall) wich he had, you just making things up. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 17:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::No, you're ignorant. In chapter 696, Sasuke specifically says that he's running low on the chakra he recieved from the bijuus [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 18:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::So it's me ignorant lol, and not you who by simple running low on the chakra accusation(he can for exapmle run low on Kurama chakra so why he never lost - answer is simple chakra regenerates) decided that Naruto lost all TB chakra? Or even more funny wikia got rid of all TB mentions in SPSM page since we don't have any evidence of that. So you to know, you are speculating on Naruto's TB by saing he has lost it(we don't know), by your edit you create a contradiction(by saing that TB chakra affect Naruto's SPSM). And i am the one who is ignorant, seriously? ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 18:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::Yes, because what happens to something that runs low?, it runs out!!!! How hard is that to understand. Not to mention that in 700+4, Kurama says your finally using '''ME''' after all this time??? How much simpler does it have to get? Not to mention that we only see Kurama in there.....noone else. Suspicious much?[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 19:07, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:Okay, this has gone on long enough now. Find something more interesting to discuss, instead of going around in circles with no end in sight. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::In the databook there is no mention of the tailed beast on the SPSM page so they have no effect on his altered appearance. You're speculating saying that the other tailed beast chakra ran out, Kurama's chakra completely ran out during the fight and he's still around.--([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 21:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC))
   
== Tailed Beast Mode Power ==
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just had a light bulb...I THINK...that this mode is six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...not all the tailed beast which he used during the 4th war [maybe the small changes are due to kurama's both halves merged after the war]...but then again it defies the six paths sage mode's definition...which is all the tailed beasts chakra + senjutsu...I dunno...I'm confused too...this mode unfortunately has more indications of the sage tailed beast mode than six paths sage mode...although I have to say I can see a circle at naruto's back...but it doesn't strike me as a rinnegan pattern...maybe it's hiding under that big chakra cloak...but the mode that naruto used when he saved guy from madara's truth fucking ball was also six paths sage mode...I think we need to make a distinction between six paths sage mode with & without TB chakra in the article...and also between six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...any thoughts?.. --'''[[User:DARK ZER06 |DARK ZERO]]'''--''[[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]'' 08:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
I'd like to include that the manga did show Naruto equaling the combined might of [[Matatabi]], [[Isobu]], [[Kokuo]], [[Saiken]], and [[Chomei]] in the Tailed Beast Ball clash. Something like that couldn't have happened if Naruto was weaker than their combined power. Not only that, he did defeat all five by himself after the clash, pages 12-13 of chapter 572.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:51, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
: He had Gyūki/B's help throughout the fight. Equaling them in power, as far as the Tailed Beast Ball goes, does not mean Naruto is stronger than five Tailed Beasts combined. That is overhyping things at its best. And that will be the last I say on the matter. Anyone else is welcome to comment. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:26, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Gyuki/B helped ''twice'' when Naruto got his own Tailed Beast Mode. And even then, it wasn't needed: Naruto already showed WITHIN the span that B helped that he could have handle himself. And Ten Tailed Fox, you are ignoring that if Naruto had been weaker than the five Tailed Beasts' combined power, his Tailed Beast Ball would have been ''overpowered'' and it both would have been sent flying back to him. And Naruto, as the manga showed, defeated all five at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. In chapter 572 without ANY assistance from B. It isn't overhyping, what you are doing is downplaying a feat.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:30, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::I happen to agree with you. It's immense downplaying, to the point of being ignorant or lacking comprehension of what's going on. And if one takes insult to that, I apologize, but it's a blatant lack of care to attention that's causing the issue. Naruto matched the power of the other five Bijuu, context being that he had to neither overpower nor underpower his own. He had to lower his power output. It was a delicate balance, and all dialogue and panels (disregarding the anime for a bit) related show him fighting with relative ease. There's more I could redundantly repeat that I've seen SuperSaiyaMan say regarding the topic spread across the Wikia, but that'd be silly. While I do agree he (SuperSaiyaMan) is hyping it, his stance is valid and points well-founded. I wish this silly argument would end already, though. It's becoming childish with how it's being handled. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 02:42, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::: The point that the Tailed Beast Ball overwhelmed the other beasts' has been noted. But that's all that need be done. SuperSaiyaMan doesn't have to write a paragraph glorifying ninja Jesus Naruto (which is how he makes it sound in his edits) because he did so. He did not overwhelm five Tailed Beasts, he equaled their power, grabbed their necks in the confusion following it, and freed them from Obito. Before the Tailed Beast Ball was used, B/Gyūki was assisting him. Regardless of what you think is "childish", which is irrelevant to begin with, we're trying, as you can see in the section above, to cut down on the over hype that some in this community feel they need to add. Naruto's power and prowess in Tailed Beast Mode are noted, to the point of insanity (almost a play-by-play) in his Ability section. Another paragraph glorifying what the manga already makes obvious is overkill, redundant, pointless (especially when you consider his feat with the Beast Ball is already mentioned), and useless. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:52, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::: The arguing is childish, and the way it was being handled. People were almost at eachother's necks, from what I could tell, without either one listening or understanding the other. I have no problem cutting down the hype, but that doesn't lessen any other points being made by people, as it seems as was attempting to be done. As to whether Naruto overwhelmed or not, the manga's dialogue and panels seem to reflect he did, but that's a moot point at this current time. To reiterate: there's no issue trimming, but downplaying the valid points made in debates is an entirely different subject, even when it warps what really happened. It also came across, from each side, as very condescending toward the other; quite demeaning. That is the sole reason I even spoke up, otherwise I tend to stay out of arguments. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 03:05, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::: Where in the abilities section was Naruto's Tailed Beast Ball equaled the might of the five others? And as Taynio pointed out, the manga's dialogue and panels reflected he did defeat all five afterwards. And if Naruto could equal the combined power from the five of them, why shouldn't that be the same as being as strong as five of them? To me, it seems like the same thing. And I have no problem with the trimming either, it just the way its been happening has acted like a huge downplay to Naruto from what we saw in the manga.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 03:12, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 

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So, which Mode did he use in 700+4? Right now, I see the article mentioning both Six Paths Sage Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode in different sections. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:47, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

There's no way of knowing for certain, but the lack of eye pigmentation would indicate it was Six Paths Sage Mode, would it not? Even though the magatama and horns are missing, but those have been a part of all of these modes.--BeyondRed (talk) 12:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'd say it could be Six Paths Sage Mode (with both halves of Kurama) because of black undergarments, no pigmentation near eye, no glowing skin. The design looks like Tailed beast Sage Mode because he lacks Magatama markings. In the Last he used something like tailed beast mode, so this is something different.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
No way to know for sure. But he lacked the horns and the Truth-Seeking Balls so I'm going to assume Nine-Tails ChakraMode.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 12:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Aww come on its clearly six paths sage mode, the pigmentation not present already determines it. The magatama not present is not really important in determining the mode cause actually al the modes has it and the horns are not present cause naruto has cropped his hair now.BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 13:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)User:BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 9:02, May 21, 2015
Would lack of TSB be a reliable indicator though? Naruto got fewer and fewer when fighting Madara and Kaguya, and they didn't regenerate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:07, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I see there's thick markings on his face, no Sage pigmentation, but that doesn't seem to be his Six Paths Sage Mode. Look at his shoulders, body and his hands in the chapter and compare it to this image. Looked more like his Tailed Beast Sage Mode. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 13:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
guys come on the no pigmentation was the six paths sage modes first sign. and by the way when did naruto ever enter his TBSM without sage mode pigmentation. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 13:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, How lack of horns is pro Nine-Tails Chakra Mode argument because Naruto had them in this mode too, i think this lack is due his short hair cut. Magatama thing: yes he lacks RM markings on back but same time he lacks KM markings on neck. Now eyes and skin thing: in Last we seen that when Naruto uses KM+SM he has pigmentation and his skin glowing so this speaks against KM+SM mode. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:56, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

And there was no magatama nor Rinnegan markings on the back either, so it can't be SPSM. Jesus, Kishi. Gonna go do something real quick. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

There is actually another possibility as well, but it's confusing. According to the databook entry, the mode Naruto entered when he kicked Madara's Truth-Seeking Ball -- which looked just like regular Sage Mode with no pigmentation -- is Six Paths Sage Mode. The chakra cloak that didn't cover his skin is not Six Paths Sage Mode, it's just something he can do while in Six Paths Sage Mode. We never saw either of his regular chakra cloaks after that point in the manga, so for all we know they were permanently replace by the new chakra cloak, just like the form in The Last replaced them. Based on all of the forms being called "Kurama Link Mode" or some such in Retsu no Sho, it seems like Kishimoto doesn't really distinguish between them the way we do. They're all basically considered the same thing.--BeyondRed (talk) 15:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Okay. In Retsu no Sho, all of Naruto's modes (save SPSM), whether it be Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, Kurama Link Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, or Tailed Beast Sage Mode, are all classified as "Kurama Chakra Mode" in that book. At least we know he used that. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:15, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@WindStar, with same reasoning i can say: no magatama on neck, so it can't be "Kurama Chakra Mode". let's call it New Chakra Mode then :D. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I just realized that Naruto body pattern is most similar to Naruto's Kurama-Asura chakra avatar from second VotE fight. ./Rage gtx (talk) 16:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@Rage gtx: The movie. Naruto had Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode, with no horns. Pulling straight from the new, it's simply the complete Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode that we saw in the film, just now he has a cloak on that also starts to glow.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 16:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, you understand that Naruto can't have horns with short hairs and evens so why horns are indicators of anything? He had them since gaining of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And then again when he uses Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode he has eyelid pigmentation and skin glow ./Rage gtx (talk) 16:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I always assumed the "horns" were made out of chakra, but if they were hair that may actually be the reason. As for his form in The Last, what was it that made everybody (myself included) assume that form was the incomplete "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" rather than the complete "Kurama Mode"? It has the full black circles, the thick lines on his face, the slitted eyes, and he enters it when manifesting Kurama. The only thing it has in common with the first chakra mode is that its design is simpler, but that cold just be a stylistic choice. I haven't seen the movie yet, so was there anything in it that made people believe that?--BeyondRed (talk) 16:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
come on guys tell me youre not seriously pointing out that its his normal kurama mode just because hes missing 'horns' and stuff of course its gonna change and Its clearly his SPSM cause just the eyes indicate it already. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 16:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
We don't just add our own speculative opinion to articles, that is really not how it works. Also, fix your signature, since it includes an unnecessary link and a useless date. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Comparing to the image that Windy just showed it, it clearly looks like Kurama Mode Although we can't say he has glowing skin because the manga is B/W and the lack of pigmentation around his eyes does indicate it is Six Paths Sage Mode but as BeyondRed said we are differentiating it Kishimoto didn't differentiate like how we do, so it could mean that it is just the effect of power that Hagoromo gave so that's why he doesn't have pigmentation, no glowing skin etc. Horn aren't good indicator for differentiating the modes every mode has this, in SPSM it is small in length, last 3 TSB were lost in VOTE2 so no they are also not indicators.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
like i said the mode looks clearly like the SPSM how could it be a kurama chakra mode. When we al know that the only way we can differentiate KCM from SPSM in an uncolored chapter are the eyes and in this case the pigmentations out so obviously its SPSM right. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 17:16, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
It looks like we already came to a compromise, it is reflected in articles and added that it is a mix of several modes. I agree it has Kurama mode designs no denying that (except the magatama and horn portion) but it also has characteristics of SPSM no pigmentation, so it is a mix of SPSM + KM.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I still think its just Six Path Sage Mode, the difference from the War is now that Naruto has Kurama's full power behind him, instead of just Yin or Yang. More chakra from that would change the appearance. But it still has the traits of Six Path Sage Mode, no pigmentation around the eyes is a dead give away.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

No pigmentation can just mean he isn't using Senjutsu chakra. I mean, can you see his eyes well in the chapter?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, they are crossed, just like in Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode lacks pigmentation around the eyes, Elve.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:48, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I know that, I was asking about the cross. Well if it's there, it's Six Paths Sage Mode without a doubt. Also as was stated, Truth Seeking Balls don't regenerate, he has used them up.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:52, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Then that should settle it then, that its the six paths sage mode. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 00:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Nope. Still undecided. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:48, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
ughhhh. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 00:50, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Also, just type in ~~~~ to sign your posts. The rest is not necessary. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
May I ask, where do we get the sense that all of his skin does not glow yellow? It's a black and white manga picture, for crying out loud. Again, look at his hands in the recent chapter and compare it to this image. His hands do indeed glow in the image, no?
Unfortunately, I foresee us debating this for days. I think it's best to say that he accessed a mode with characteristics of his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, and Six Paths Sage Mode, rather than definitively picking which mode it is and ignoring characteristics of other modes. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 01:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
wait what? BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 01:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Windstar, its obviously Six Path Sage Mode. Know why it has more characteristics to the other forms? He has more of Kurama's power than he had when he first obtained it. He's also changed his own appearance since then, he lost the 'horns' due to cutting his hair. The eyes show its Six Path Sage Mode. there's literally no debate.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And the consensus seems to be that it IS Six Path Sage Mode, not the lower forms.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

But the rest of the body shows Kurama Mode, as I've shown with the image. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:01, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Since he has more of Kurama's power than he had before. The full power of Kurama dwarfs the small pieces of the rest of the Tailed Beasts. And as people pointed out before, Six Path Sage Mode is the form that was first used against Madara, the cross eyes.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Okay? And his Tailed Beast Sage Mode also has cross eyes. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
But that has the crucial pigmentation around the eyes. Tailed Beast Sage Mode has the Sage Mode pigmentation. Six Path Sage Mode lacks the pigmentation even with the chakra cloak.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
This is just going to go around in circles, I suppose. Hm... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
From the looks of his mode, and appearance, He used Kurama beast mode, cause of the patterns on him, and the way he had the form look. If it was Nine tail Chakra mode, it could have looked like Minatos a bit where he had everything yellow. This is Kurama's mode.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Dude, the Kurama Tailed Beast Mode is just a normal or slitted pupil. Six Path Sage Mode has the cross pupil without the Sage Mode pigmentation around the eyes.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Let me also point out that Kurama in some Manga translation states that Naruto was finally going to use Kurama's chakra to stretch and cut loose, plus remember, Kishimoto forgets to add details to a lot of things. — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
So can we just agree its Six Path Sage Mode now? The traits of the eyes were the dead give away.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Or this is his new Six Path Sage Mode. What 'forgets details', its clearly Six Path Sage Mode. If there was no cross in the eyes, it would be just Kurama mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Kishimoto can forget to add more details, he done it before. But the mode resembles greatly of Kurama Tailed beast mode. From the patterns and all. It looks nothing like Sage Six path mode, as Naruto didn't have the patterns on the back like that form, he could have used the "normal" Form of the six path mode, where he had no pigmentation., but used Kurama tailed beast mode at the same time.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
ughh so do you mean that just cause a form changes you already imply it as KCM how may times should this be repeated, KCM shows the eye markings and SPSM dosent deal with it. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 02:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
KingLinks, your comparison doesn't work. Looks nothing like Six Path Sage Mode? Six Path Sage Mode is just the eyes. Naruto was in Six Path Sage Mode in chapter 672. The trademark is the cross eyes WITHOUT the Sage Pigmentation around the eyes. This chapter showed the eyes having the cross pattern lacking Sage Pigmentation, the trait of Six Path Sage Mode. Thus, Six Path Sage Mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am saying as stated above before, that he could be using KCM with the SPSM Normal form that only involves the eyes, like when he fought Madara before all Yellow.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And according to the databook, THAT form which he engaged Madara in was Six Path Sage Mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am not going against that, I am jsut saying he could be using both at the same time. IS that a problem to agree with? — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Either it's Kurama Mode with Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode, not whatever you're suggesting. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

And why can't it be both? It looks like it can.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
it cant be both cause what the KCM can do can also be done by SPSM but with greater powerBoltUzumakiXD (talk) 02:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
This is going to go on and on and on.... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Windstar, it explicitly can't be Tailed Beast Sage Mode. The pigmentation lacking shows its Six Path Sage Mode utilizing Kurama's power.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:53, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Cool. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how this will not end, I suppose the only thing to do is to wait for the next time he goes into that form, or Kishimoto tells us what it is. Because I thin kit can be both, due to KCM has more appearance to it than it being SPSM in the chakra cloak.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Look, do what you want, SuperSaiyaMan. You're much more willing to argue than I am, so go ahead. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Um, I never thought I would see this coming, but I completely agree with SuperSaiyanMan now. It's obviously SPSM.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 02:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

so what, we just go with KCM just cause he looks like his previous KCM form and just disregard the fact that he lacks the pigmentation which clearly indicates that its SPSM?! come on BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:02, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Call it SPSM with KCM chakra cloak, cause the cloak looks of it.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Are you guys purposely disregarding what was said? The cloak isn't indicative of SPSM, the eyes are.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 03:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

What I am trying to say, It is SPSM, with KCM chakra cloak.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • sigh* it cant be like that one cant be joined with the other cause the SPSM is already the greatly enhanced form of KCM it would pe really ridiculous if you think that the two are in the form togetherBoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And yet the the chakra cloak looks nothing on how it's suppose to, but seeing I can't make both sides agree, I give up, I'll wait for the next time he jumps into that form.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
*sigh* why cant people just accept the obvious evidence of it being SPSM *sigh* BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:14, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Because SPSM not an entrenchment of KCM, it's its own form that Naruto can use and allows him to go to his tailed beast chakra mode because Kurama was his only true tailed beast. SPSM is the Sage's power, not Kurama's, Kurama is with the power due to naruto being with it now. But of course no one will listen because "eye is the answer" When the cloak is no where near what it needs to look like. So I stil suggest it being a SPSM with KCM cloak around it. But of course, with facts pointed on how the SPSM needs to look like, I can't argue much. IT has no truth seeing ball, nor the Rinnegan on the back of the cloak. So What ever, It's completely SPSM, and the cloak as well. SO as I said to make it easier it is SPSM but with KCM Chakra cloak appearance. Because SPSM Chakra cloak looks nothing like it did in the Manga. — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
then the simpiest explanation is that the mode changes just like how TBSM changed from the war to the last naruto the movie. And about the rinnegan marking on the back, he transformed his cloak which approbabbly altered the markings BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

The Rinnegan-like pattern on Naruto's back was the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal that Obito applied on Naruto to seal Shukaku and Gyuki's chakras into him. Naruto replaced the seal with a different one by the time of The Last, hence why there's no Rinnegan like pattern on his back anymore, use head people.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 03:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

wait wait. Since when did naruto changed the seal onhis back or rather how did u know he replaced it? BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Observation and filling the gaps.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 04:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Isn't it just Kurama Mode with Senjutsu influence? Just look at his arms. In Kurama Mode, his arms have markings, in Six Paths Sage Mode - they don't. In 704, the arms had markings. Also, in SPSM, Naruto's outfit, with the exception of the cloak, becomes black, in Kurama's Mode - only his top part becomes black, with the lines going through the lower part. Based on these descriptions, I looks to be more like Kurama-enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Even the seal is different. In Kurama Chakra Mode it's a circle within a circle, same in 704, while in Six Paths Sage Mode it's a plain circle xD--Omojuze (talk) 06:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
While I do believe Elve pulled that straight out his ass (Ten-Tailed Coffin Seal sealing pieces of the One and Eight-Tails. Okay then.) the lack of the Six Paths Senjutsu mark is interesting, but at the same time he does lack the pigmentation of the eyes that denotes normal Sage Mode. Of course then there's the added fact that Kurama specifically stated "Hey glad you're actually using me again." and we know Naruto using Kurama's chakra = Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
So instead of letting this pissing match continue further, I say we end this debate because until we see Naruto in that form and in color we're never going to know exactly which form he's in and just stick it under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like we did every form he's got that seems derived from it.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 09:46, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Or we just name it as combined form of Kurama Mode+Six Paths Sage Mode which is his powerful new mode, KM (design-see circle and legs), SPSM (no pigmentation around eyes) I see people arguing that there can't be both, of course it can it is powerful form than just normal Kurama mode or lone SPSM, @TU3 I don't see any resemblance to Nine-Tails Chakra Mode The lines are thick he got three thick whiskers and you do know Kurama mode is upgrade for NTCM, when Kurama is inside him he can give large amount of chakra for Kurama mode because now there is no seal and it was removed by Naruto.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 10:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
2 Things.
1) He's glowing. That's about the bare minimum of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. As I said, we won't know exactly what that form is until we see it in color, but at the very least we have an article that can serve as a "base", where all his forms are located anyway.
2) There is a seal, that's why the Nine-Tails is still in Naruto. The fact that the Nine-Tails is nolonger "locked in a cage" is the new circular opening on his stomach, which opened up the first time we saw him in Tailed Beast Mode (ignore the image in the infobox, that is an anime mistake. The one further down from the game is more accurate.)--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 10:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. Agreed, it should be under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode article.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 11:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Still ignoring that Six Paths Sage Mode is the crossed eyes without pigment disregarding cloak. The cloak is dependent on the seal used.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:49, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

To me, the fact Naruto's pupil are in a cross shape with no pigmentation around the eyes is proof enough he's using Six Paths Sage Mode. I agree it's weird that there are no Rinnegan and magatama on his back, but unless you want to say that Naruto can now enter Sage Mode with no pigmentation (which doesn't sound possible, according to Fukasaku), well…--JOA2020:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Naruto was in Sage Mode the chapter before and you could clearly see the pigmentation. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:22, May 22, 2015(UTC)

Did you guys ever consider that the Sage only gave Naruto Six Paths chakra. Naruto mixed that with sage mode to make Six Paths Sage Mode. That's not the chakra cloak, that's what Naruto had right before he equipped the cloak The reason the chakra cloak looks different against Madara is because he had the other tailed beasts chakra or because he only had Yin-Kurama, which altered the appearance. So since he only has full Kurama, it's just Kurama mode with Six paths sage mode activated, hence the lack of sage markings.Riptide240 (talk) 21:21, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

BumpRiptide240 (talk) 00:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

What don't people get? SPSM ISN'T the cloak, it's crossed eyes without pigment. According to databook Naruto was using that form while he kicked Madara's TSB and that was without any cloak, point is, don't look at the cloak to determine if it is or isn't SPSM since it has no relevance because it is SPSM even without any cloak.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:56, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly, and during his fight with Sasuke, Sasuke said that he was running out of the TB chakras. So now that it's been years after, he's most likely using SPSM, but his cloak is Kurama Mode since he only has full Kurama now.Riptide240 (talk) 13:06, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
No one seems to care the articles have it wrong and what the databooks say, but oh well.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
I changed it on Naruto's page but....whateverRiptide240 (talk) 15:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
@Riptide240 and you changed wrong. In chapter 692 Sage stated about TB chakra being in Naruto, so with it, your edits are no good. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Nope, look a few chapters after, Sasuke said they were beginning to fade away or that he was running out. Obviously, that was after the Sage said that so....Riptide240 (talk) 15:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
This was not about it, Sasuke compared his 8TB + half Kurama to Naruto's portions and half Kurama saing he has more and mentoned Naruto running low on chakra(not TB's overall) wich he had, you just making things up. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 17:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
No, you're ignorant. In chapter 696, Sasuke specifically says that he's running low on the chakra he recieved from the bijuus Riptide240 (talk) 18:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
So it's me ignorant lol, and not you who by simple running low on the chakra accusation(he can for exapmle run low on Kurama chakra so why he never lost - answer is simple chakra regenerates) decided that Naruto lost all TB chakra? Or even more funny wikia got rid of all TB mentions in SPSM page since we don't have any evidence of that. So you to know, you are speculating on Naruto's TB by saing he has lost it(we don't know), by your edit you create a contradiction(by saing that TB chakra affect Naruto's SPSM). And i am the one who is ignorant, seriously? ./ Rage gtx (talk) 18:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, because what happens to something that runs low?, it runs out!!!! How hard is that to understand. Not to mention that in 700+4, Kurama says your finally using ME after all this time??? How much simpler does it have to get? Not to mention that we only see Kurama in there.....noone else. Suspicious much?Riptide240 (talk) 19:07, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, this has gone on long enough now. Find something more interesting to discuss, instead of going around in circles with no end in sight. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
In the databook there is no mention of the tailed beast on the SPSM page so they have no effect on his altered appearance. You're speculating saying that the other tailed beast chakra ran out, Kurama's chakra completely ran out during the fight and he's still around.--(Kuroiraikou (talk) 21:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC))

just had a light bulb...I THINK...that this mode is six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...not all the tailed beast which he used during the 4th war [maybe the small changes are due to kurama's both halves merged after the war]...but then again it defies the six paths sage mode's definition...which is all the tailed beasts chakra + senjutsu...I dunno...I'm confused too...this mode unfortunately has more indications of the sage tailed beast mode than six paths sage mode...although I have to say I can see a circle at naruto's back...but it doesn't strike me as a rinnegan pattern...maybe it's hiding under that big chakra cloak...but the mode that naruto used when he saved guy from madara's truth fucking ball was also six paths sage mode...I think we need to make a distinction between six paths sage mode with & without TB chakra in the article...and also between six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...any thoughts?.. --DARK ZERO--talk 08:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

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