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== How old is Naruto? ==
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== Fire Release Nature Type ==
The latest Chapter 643 states that the Naruto World is currently on the night before Naruto's birthday, which is October 9th. Doing the math, Naruto's age right now should be 16 years and a few months. Or was he never 15 in the first place? Should we make Naruto's age 15-17 now?{{unsigned|Kadio123}}
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I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with [[Gamabunta]]. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
:We're not changing his age. The manga says that, in-universe, his birthday is the next day (tomorrow). He's only 16 right now. Everything stays the same until it changes days in the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Two tabs for long character articles ==
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So can anyone actually answer my questions...? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki/Archive_12#Tabs_in_articles Sorry for bringing this up again], but I just think we can have two tabs ('Introduction', 'Plot') for long character articles (those that have over 75,000 bytes, more or less), since the plot section on certain characters keeps on growing. This way, we can still use the table of contents. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 05:23, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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*He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
: I'm just going to be honest, I've seen this done before on a wiki I'm apart of, as well as over on the ''Bleach'' wiki and it just doesn't look good. I know, we're not really shooting for looks here, but, trust me, its really doesn't look good anywhere I've seen it. Aside from the visual appearance, its a bit of a hassle for editors, and can get confusing as for what to add where. Let's add to that the fact that its unnecessary. Yes, being the titular character, Naruto has a very long article, but I can load it in less than two seconds on a speedy connection and under a minute on a slow one, like the one I have at college or on my phone's Wi-Fi. I honestly don't think its necessary. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 05:31, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
::Oh well then, at least I got to say what I want to say. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 06:03, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:: Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
:::I've seen it done on One piece and honestly I would have no problem splitting someone like Naruto or Sasuke's arcs from the appearance abilities and especially personality.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:36, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
::::As another idea related to this, why not do something like Naruto_Uzumaki/Background and Naruto_Uzumaki/Appearance and load them into the page using {{Tlx|Main with-include}} ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:34, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::::@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
:::::If absolutely necessary, I would prefer Speysider's solution since that seems more consistent with our current design of articles (we use it for Relationships, etc on [[Naruto]]'s page already).''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 10:32, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his [[Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan]] technique. So yea...it's what Naruto '''''does''''' with the chakra the beasts provided him. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
:::::: I'm still against it, but, if its is absolutely necessary that we start splitting up articles (we'll have to the same for Obito and Madara soon enough if we start with Naruto and Sasuke), then I too would vote for Speysider's route. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:40, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::: For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
What is Speysider's route? But TheUltimate3 would prefer it if we had to move the plot off article, because it would be weird to move background, abilities and personality off page.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:42, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::::I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
: You just looooooove referring to yourself in third person, don't you >.> Anyways, if I understand Speysider correctly, and I think I do, he suggest move, say, the plot section (as you advised) to "Naruto Uzumaki/Plot", then, on the main article (this one), in the Plot section, we just use <nowiki>{{Main-with-include}}</nowiki> so that it will give a short blurb on the article, while leaving a "main" link to the new article. That way we don't make the article look tacky with three different tabs hovering at the top like on One Piece Wiki, which, I have to disagree with Cerez on - it looks hideous. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:49, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::::::::At first I was asking. Now I am telling. '''Enough'''. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. '''Now'''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
:: Yes as of now I do find that enjoyable. And yes that sounds fine. If someone can whip up a sandbox to see what it looks like, that'll be cool.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:56, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Tabs are a short term solution. Because this article is a mound of garbage large enough to eclipse the sun. To break down its size:
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Just chill?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
 
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! Section(s) !! Percentage of article
 
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| Abilities || 24.5%
 
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| Part I (all) || 11.7%
 
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| Part II (Kazekage → Confining) || 18.6%
 
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| Part II (War → current) || 25.5%
 
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| Everything else (Background, Personality, Appearance, Trivia, Quotes) || 19.6%
 
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Naruto's article is never going to be short, but it can be proportioned better than it currently is. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:20, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Not sure if this is what's being suggested, but we could do it like they do in the Avatar Wiki. For the really big pages, usually main characters, articles are split per season. We could simply make sub pages for Part I and Part II, and then put an abridged version of the events in the section of the main article, with a link to the sub-page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:38, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
So in essence it's look kinda like Jacce's request page? @Snapper easier said than done. I've personally tried to Marshall the content that people put into articles for Naruto and others like him and no matter what we do sometimes it gets thrown out of proportion by over zealous fan editors then stuff sneaks up on you or else is repeated half a dozen times. I'd be all for cutting some of these enormous articles down to size it's just that at times it's nothing short of a Herculean task.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:32, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release technique[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::If you're referring to the '[[Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough]]' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Yeah, that's the rub. I'd always tell myself that I ''could'' shorten X article/section, but then I'd need to do it again at a later date. Like showering; why bother?
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== Yin-Yang Release ==
:That's why I don't do either anymore.
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I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball
:Although, I wonder if maybe the problem was trying to prune the hedge that others had grown when the real solution was to burn the hedge down and plant a new one.
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Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release.
:Quandaries... '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 07:07, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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So we got two options
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1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
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2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )
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Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .{{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
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:TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
::[[User:Speysider/Naruto_Uzumaki]]. Created this by just including the Abilities section from the page (I copied the whole contents of the Abilities heading into a subpage of this sandbox page called /Abilities). Thoughts ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 07:13, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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I've just edited them right now {{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
   
:::As I've already stated, I would rather things like abilities stay on page. But to be quite honest, that can be solved by just having a nonfanboyish approach to his ability section.
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Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
:::*Because honestly, the boy does in total Shadow Clones, Nine-Tails chakra, Rasengan, Sage Tech, say what you want but Taijutsu is minor.
 
:::Instead of having an ability section bigger than most articles that section itself could just be trimmed (and when I say trimmed, I mean gutted.).--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:48, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::well if we do this we can attack other articles like these. More than enough of us seem willing to take a hatchet to some of these articles. Gentlemen, to the sandbox? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:28, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::@TU3 That was just an example of what would be getting done, I just picked a random section that was fairly long to use to demonstrate it.
 
:::::@Cerez I agree, there are probably quite a few "large" article that can have similar done to it (Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Obito etc) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:30, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::I see. Either way, well done because that just highlighted how stupid long his ability section has become.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:38, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't think cutting all this will do good for the information. The Taijutsu section has became bare bones, doesn't mention the speed and strength increases he has nor does it mention that he's became faster than A, or even any of his taijutsu feats. I get that you're cutting the fat of the article, but it seems like you're purposely cutting the article to make him look weaker or something.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 03:15, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::"Strength" really loses its meaning when everything is made to seem like an accomplishment. Does Naruto use taijutsu reasonably often? Sure. Is he competent with it? Yes. Is he Rock Lee? Absolutely not. And yet, to read the previous version, he eats rocks for breakfast because he's just that omigosh strong.
 
::::::My main issue with the previous version of that section was that almost all of the examples came from when Naruto used senjutsu or some percentage of Kurama. Put another way: there was very little of base-Naruto, which that section should ideally focus on.
 
::::::That's not to say that everything that was cut was bad. The current version is pretty general and would benefit from some examples of Naruto's feats (which could also just be put into refs). I emphasize ''some'' examples, because there do not need to be '''literally eleven examples of how fast Naruto is.''' I really can't overstate how ridiculous that is, and in fact want to itemize it:
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he saved Sakura.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he restrained Kakashi.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he intercepted Asura Path.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he dodged Third Raikage.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he was thought to use Body Flicker Technique.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he surpassed A.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he moved around a map.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he "blitzed" Third Raikage.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he reacted before Minato.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he outmaneuvered Tailed Beast Balls.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he something with Wood Dragon.
 
::::::Use the absolute fastest example and no others. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:56, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:While trimming could help, it still doesn't change the fact the article is long. It can be solved just by employing the use of the {{Tlx|Main with-include}} template and subpages with LST. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:43, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I agree with Snapper. If we start listing abilities, not just here, but the whole site around, by the best known example of that particular skill set, instead of listing every single, minute detail, of every single action that these characters make, the articles would shrink by quite a bit, while retaining the importance of the most significant actions. Most of us are pretty conservative when it comes to adding mentions of abilities, but then there are others that think that every sneeze a character makes needs to be added to their Abilities section, and this just isn't so.
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In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Like I said to begin with, the page's length isn't really a concern. The series is almost over, he's the main character, its going to be long. The page still loads in under a minute, sometimes within mere seconds, and my connection is pretty crappy, so I know its okay for those of you with higher internet speeds. There really isn't any true need to split this article up. There just isn't. So, while if we ''have'' to do this, I prefer a combination of trimming the fat (all the extra references/examples where they're not needed) and Speysider's method of things, I really think a simple trimming of unneeded or redundant information is the better solution of it all. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:53, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== Actual age ==
   
== Tailed Beast Mode Power ==
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Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?[[User:FirstDrellSpectre|FirstDrellSpectre]] ([[User talk:FirstDrellSpectre|talk]]) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
I'd like to include that the manga did show Naruto equaling the combined might of [[Matatabi]], [[Isobu]], [[Kokuo]], [[Saiken]], and [[Chomei]] in the Tailed Beast Ball clash. Something like that couldn't have happened if Naruto was weaker than their combined power. Not only that, he did defeat all five by himself after the clash, pages 12-13 of chapter 572.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:51, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
: He had Gyūki/B's help throughout the fight. Equaling them in power, as far as the Tailed Beast Ball goes, does not mean Naruto is stronger than five Tailed Beasts combined. That is overhyping things at its best. And that will be the last I say on the matter. Anyone else is welcome to comment. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:26, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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::Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
:: Gyuki/B helped ''twice'' when Naruto got his own Tailed Beast Mode. And even then, it wasn't needed: Naruto already showed WITHIN the span that B helped that he could have handle himself. And Ten Tailed Fox, you are ignoring that if Naruto had been weaker than the five Tailed Beasts' combined power, his Tailed Beast Ball would have been ''overpowered'' and it both would have been sent flying back to him. And Naruto, as the manga showed, defeated all five at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. In chapter 572 without ANY assistance from B. It isn't overhyping, what you are doing is downplaying a feat.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:30, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:::I happen to agree with you. It's immense downplaying, to the point of being ignorant or lacking comprehension of what's going on. And if one takes insult to that, I apologize, but it's a blatant lack of care to attention that's causing the issue. Naruto matched the power of the other five Bijuu, context being that he had to neither overpower nor underpower his own. He had to lower his power output. It was a delicate balance, and all dialogue and panels (disregarding the anime for a bit) related show him fighting with relative ease. There's more I could redundantly repeat that I've seen SuperSaiyaMan say regarding the topic spread across the Wikia, but that'd be silly. While I do agree he (SuperSaiyaMan) is hyping it, his stance is valid and points well-founded. I wish this silly argument would end already, though. It's becoming childish with how it's being handled. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 02:42, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Flight Technique ==
   
:::: The point that the Tailed Beast Ball overwhelmed the other beasts' has been noted. But that's all that need be done. SuperSaiyaMan doesn't have to write a paragraph glorifying ninja Jesus Naruto (which is how he makes it sound in his edits) because he did so. He did not overwhelm five Tailed Beasts, he equaled their power, grabbed their necks in the confusion following it, and freed them from Obito. Before the Tailed Beast Ball was used, B/Gyūki was assisting him. Regardless of what you think is "childish", which is irrelevant to begin with, we're trying, as you can see in the section above, to cut down on the over hype that some in this community feel they need to add. Naruto's power and prowess in Tailed Beast Mode are noted, to the point of insanity (almost a play-by-play) in his Ability section. Another paragraph glorifying what the manga already makes obvious is overkill, redundant, pointless (especially when you consider his feat with the Beast Ball is already mentioned), and useless. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:52, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--[[User:Solidedub|Solidedub]] ([[User talk:Solidedub|talk]]) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
::::: The arguing is childish, and the way it was being handled. People were almost at eachother's necks, from what I could tell, without either one listening or understanding the other. I have no problem cutting down the hype, but that doesn't lessen any other points being made by people, as it seems as was attempting to be done. As to whether Naruto overwhelmed or not, the manga's dialogue and panels seem to reflect he did, but that's a moot point at this current time. To reiterate: there's no issue trimming, but downplaying the valid points made in debates is an entirely different subject, even when it warps what really happened. It also came across, from each side, as very condescending toward the other; quite demeaning. That is the sole reason I even spoke up, otherwise I tend to stay out of arguments. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 03:05, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
:::: Where in the abilities section was Naruto's Tailed Beast Ball equaled the might of the five others? And as Taynio pointed out, the manga's dialogue and panels reflected he did defeat all five afterwards. And if Naruto could equal the combined power from the five of them, why shouldn't that be the same as being as strong as five of them? To me, it seems like the same thing. And I have no problem with the trimming either, it just the way its been happening has acted like a huge downplay to Naruto from what we saw in the manga.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 03:12, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::It's there, just click on "jutsu"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nope, not here either. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Consider performing null edits on both this page and [[Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki]]. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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== Sensor Type ==
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For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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: For once I agree with Elve. ''How'' Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as ''how'' he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he ''literally'' has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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== Boil Release? ==
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I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a [[Talk:Matchless Superhuman Strength|discussion]] already --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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==Yang Seal==
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Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? {{Unsigned|Officialkamuiblade}}
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:Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- [[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]]
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It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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==Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage Technique==
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On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::^Yeah, I need a source for that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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I did then, now I know.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:And for that knowledge I need a source. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Says who? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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== New title ==
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He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --[[User:Youngjusticeplayer007|Youngjusticeplayer007]] ([[User talk:Youngjusticeplayer007|talk]]) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

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Fire Release Nature Type Edit

I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with Gamabunta. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. Banan14kab 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--Elveonora (talk) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

So can anyone actually answer my questions...? Banan14kab 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

  • He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--Elveonora (talk) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--Elveonora (talk) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan technique. So yea...it's what Naruto does with the chakra the beasts provided him. Banan14kab 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
At first I was asking. Now I am telling. Enough. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. Now.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just chill?--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release techniqueActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
If you're referring to the 'Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. Atrix471 (talk) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yin-Yang Release Edit

I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release. So we got two options

   1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
   2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )

Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .—This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--Elveonora (talk) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I've just edited them right now —This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Actual age Edit

Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--Elveonora (talk) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Flight Technique Edit

How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--Solidedub (talk) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something HellHawkX (talk) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
It's there, just click on "jutsu"--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? HellHawkX (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Nope, not here either. Atrix471 (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Consider performing null edits on both this page and Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sensor Type Edit

For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? Banan14kab 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. Banan14kab 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--Elveonora (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

For once I agree with Elve. How Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as how he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--Elveonora (talk) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he literally has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --Atrix471 (talk) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--Elveonora (talk) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--Elveonora (talk) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--BeyondRed (talk) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Boil Release? Edit

I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--Reliops (talk) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--Reliops (talk) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a discussion already --Atrix471 (talk) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--Elveonora (talk) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yang SealEdit

Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? —This unsigned comment was made by Officialkamuiblade (talkcontribs) .

Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --Atrix471 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- Officialkamuiblade

It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--Elveonora (talk) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --Atrix471 (talk) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage TechniqueEdit

On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? Rage gtx (talk) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
^Yeah, I need a source for that. • Seelentau 愛 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--Elveonora (talk) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--Soul reaper (talk) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--Elveonora (talk) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • Seelentau 愛 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--Elveonora (talk) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • Seelentau 愛 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I did then, now I know.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

And for that knowledge I need a source. • Seelentau 愛 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--Elveonora (talk) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Says who? • Seelentau 愛 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--Elveonora (talk) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--Elveonora (talk) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--Narutofox94 (talk) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


New title Edit

He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

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