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== How old is Naruto? ==
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== monkier ==
The latest Chapter 643 states that the Naruto World is currently on the night before Naruto's birthday, which is October 9th. Doing the math, Naruto's age right now should be 16 years and a few months. Or was he never 15 in the first place? Should we make Naruto's age 15-17 now?{{unsigned|Kadio123}}
 
:We're not changing his age. The manga says that, in-universe, his birthday is the next day (tomorrow). He's only 16 right now. Everything stays the same until it changes days in the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Two tabs for long character articles ==
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Do you think we can add ¨Proud Failure¨ to the moniker list? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 22:49, July 9, 2015 (UTC)
[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki/Archive_12#Tabs_in_articles Sorry for bringing this up again], but I just think we can have two tabs ('Introduction', 'Plot') for long character articles (those that have over 75,000 bytes, more or less), since the plot section on certain characters keeps on growing. This way, we can still use the table of contents. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 05:23, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
: I'm just going to be honest, I've seen this done before on a wiki I'm apart of, as well as over on the ''Bleach'' wiki and it just doesn't look good. I know, we're not really shooting for looks here, but, trust me, its really doesn't look good anywhere I've seen it. Aside from the visual appearance, its a bit of a hassle for editors, and can get confusing as for what to add where. Let's add to that the fact that its unnecessary. Yes, being the titular character, Naruto has a very long article, but I can load it in less than two seconds on a speedy connection and under a minute on a slow one, like the one I have at college or on my phone's Wi-Fi. I honestly don't think its necessary. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 05:31, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Oh well then, at least I got to say what I want to say. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 06:03, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I've seen it done on One piece and honestly I would have no problem splitting someone like Naruto or Sasuke's arcs from the appearance abilities and especially personality.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 07:36, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::As another idea related to this, why not do something like Naruto_Uzumaki/Background and Naruto_Uzumaki/Appearance and load them into the page using {{Tlx|Main with-include}} ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:34, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::If absolutely necessary, I would prefer Speysider's solution since that seems more consistent with our current design of articles (we use it for Relationships, etc on [[Naruto]]'s page already).''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 10:32, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::: I'm still against it, but, if its is absolutely necessary that we start splitting up articles (we'll have to the same for Obito and Madara soon enough if we start with Naruto and Sasuke), then I too would vote for Speysider's route. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:40, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
What is Speysider's route? But TheUltimate3 would prefer it if we had to move the plot off article, because it would be weird to move background, abilities and personality off page.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:42, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
: You just looooooove referring to yourself in third person, don't you >.> Anyways, if I understand Speysider correctly, and I think I do, he suggest move, say, the plot section (as you advised) to "Naruto Uzumaki/Plot", then, on the main article (this one), in the Plot section, we just use <nowiki>{{Main-with-include}}</nowiki> so that it will give a short blurb on the article, while leaving a "main" link to the new article. That way we don't make the article look tacky with three different tabs hovering at the top like on One Piece Wiki, which, I have to disagree with Cerez on - it looks hideous. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:49, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Yes as of now I do find that enjoyable. And yes that sounds fine. If someone can whip up a sandbox to see what it looks like, that'll be cool.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:56, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Tabs are a short term solution. Because this article is a mound of garbage large enough to eclipse the sun. To break down its size:
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*Hello? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 18:00, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
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:When was he called that?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:29, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
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::Before his match with Neji, from Hinata. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 18:31, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I wouldn't list him as that, does not sound as if it would've been of so much importance. But if we actually would do so, then we should also include Sasuke's "Dr. Snake". [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 18:49, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
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| Abilities || 24.5%
 
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| Part I (all) || 11.7%
 
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| Part II (Kazekage → Confining) || 18.6%
 
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| Part II (War → current) || 25.5%
 
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| Everything else (Background, Personality, Appearance, Trivia, Quotes) || 19.6%
 
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Naruto's article is never going to be short, but it can be proportioned better than it currently is. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:20, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Not sure if this is what's being suggested, but we could do it like they do in the Avatar Wiki. For the really big pages, usually main characters, articles are split per season. We could simply make sub pages for Part I and Part II, and then put an abridged version of the events in the section of the main article, with a link to the sub-page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:38, October 6, 2013 (UTC)
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== kekkei genkai ==
   
So in essence it's look kinda like Jacce's request page? @Snapper easier said than done. I've personally tried to Marshall the content that people put into articles for Naruto and others like him and no matter what we do sometimes it gets thrown out of proportion by over zealous fan editors then stuff sneaks up on you or else is repeated half a dozen times. I'd be all for cutting some of these enormous articles down to size it's just that at times it's nothing short of a Herculean task.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:32, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Unless I'm mistaken, he used Lava, Magnet, Boil using chakras of the Tailed Beasts, does it make sense to list them in his infobox? Kekkei Genkai means bloodline limit, it's not part of his genetic makeup to use those advanced natures.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 00:03, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:But he used them anyhow, and those advanced natures are KKG. The TB chakra he's utilises are a part of him now. And anyway, who's to say Lava Release was really part of Rōshi's genetic make-up? What Han and Boil Release? Simply put, the TB's chakra is part of Naruto now.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 00:07, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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::The databook says that about Roshi. :| • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:11, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Okay. But is that uniform? Yes or no, the advanced natures in question are KKG anyway. If you can use it, you can utilise the KKG. The chakra's are a part of Naruto now.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 00:17, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Are they?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 00:18, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::The difference is that he doesn't have the kekkei genkai that is the genetical makeup. He only has the kekkei genkai that is the resulting ability. Roshi had both. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:20, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
:Yeah, that's the rub. I'd always tell myself that I ''could'' shorten X article/section, but then I'd need to do it again at a later date. Like showering; why bother?
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Naruto doesn't have those kekkei genkai any more than his friends are users of Rasengan and are jinchuuriki. He even had to yell: "x TB do it" how is that him having the KKGs?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 00:22, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
:That's why I don't do either anymore.
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:I understand the difference clearly. And I'm taking your word for it regarding Rōshi, but my question still hasn't been answered. Is Rōshi's case uniform amongst all the jinchuriki? And quite frankly, where's the relevance really? The TB's chakra are/were (depends on who you ask) part of Naruto. He utilised the KKG, so a removal would be wrong. That's how I see it. I get what you're saying though. Oh and Elve, Chap. 673, page 4 Naruto asked Son to lend him chakra. That's as far as Son went. Big difference from what you're claiming.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 00:31, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
:Although, I wonder if maybe the problem was trying to prune the hedge that others had grown when the real solution was to burn the hedge down and plant a new one.
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::How does Roshi giving Naruto his Lava Release chakra make Naruto having Lava Release Kekkei Genkai?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 00:33, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
:Quandaries... '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 07:07, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:Same way Hagoromo gifted Sasuke the Six Paths Yin Seal and SP chakra and Sasuke's listed as a user of both. Naruto used the KKG, transferred it into his Rasenshuriken, and everything. It's part of his arsenal. That's all there is to it.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 00:39, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:::@Elve, Roshi is jinchuriki of Son Goku - the beast. Anyway even if Naruto lost chakra of other TB(which is arguable) he will still have KKG same way Kakashi has Sharingan and Madara has Rinne Sharingan - historically - and why people forget that Naruto has KKG characteristic in DB? ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 02:21, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
::[[User:Speysider/Naruto_Uzumaki]]. Created this by just including the Abilities section from the page (I copied the whole contents of the Abilities heading into a subpage of this sandbox page called /Abilities). Thoughts ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 07:13, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
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== Mode cont. ==
   
:::As I've already stated, I would rather things like abilities stay on page. But to be quite honest, that can be solved by just having a nonfanboyish approach to his ability section.
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His mode in Gaiden can't be Six Paths Sage Mode because it lacks the distinct markings and Truth-Seeking Balls. I believe it's Tailed Beast Sage Mode enhanced with/by Six Paths chakra. Why? Because when he re-entered to fight Madara, his normal Sage Mode lacked pigmentation around the eyes too and that was ''before'' he activated Six Paths Sage Mode. Sasuke noted towards the end of their last fight that his Tailed Beast chakra gifts were running out, just before he created two large Rasenshuriken variations. Also, his usage of Six Paths chakra in The Last certainly confirms he still has that. [[User:Pesa123456789|Pesa123456789]] ([[User talk:Pesa123456789|talk]]) 18:13, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
:::*Because honestly, the boy does in total Shadow Clones, Nine-Tails chakra, Rasengan, Sage Tech, say what you want but Taijutsu is minor.
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:When does he use Six Paths chakra/Six Paths Senjutsu in The Last?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 19:14, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
:::Instead of having an ability section bigger than most articles that section itself could just be trimmed (and when I say trimmed, I mean gutted.).--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:48, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::well if we do this we can attack other articles like these. More than enough of us seem willing to take a hatchet to some of these articles. Gentlemen, to the sandbox? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:28, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::@TU3 That was just an example of what would be getting done, I just picked a random section that was fairly long to use to demonstrate it.
 
:::::@Cerez I agree, there are probably quite a few "large" article that can have similar done to it (Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi, Tsunade, Obito etc) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:30, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::I see. Either way, well done because that just highlighted how stupid long his ability section has become.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:38, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't think cutting all this will do good for the information. The Taijutsu section has became bare bones, doesn't mention the speed and strength increases he has nor does it mention that he's became faster than A, or even any of his taijutsu feats. I get that you're cutting the fat of the article, but it seems like you're purposely cutting the article to make him look weaker or something.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 03:15, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::"Strength" really loses its meaning when everything is made to seem like an accomplishment. Does Naruto use taijutsu reasonably often? Sure. Is he competent with it? Yes. Is he Rock Lee? Absolutely not. And yet, to read the previous version, he eats rocks for breakfast because he's just that omigosh strong.
 
::::::My main issue with the previous version of that section was that almost all of the examples came from when Naruto used senjutsu or some percentage of Kurama. Put another way: there was very little of base-Naruto, which that section should ideally focus on.
 
::::::That's not to say that everything that was cut was bad. The current version is pretty general and would benefit from some examples of Naruto's feats (which could also just be put into refs). I emphasize ''some'' examples, because there do not need to be '''literally eleven examples of how fast Naruto is.''' I really can't overstate how ridiculous that is, and in fact want to itemize it:
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he saved Sakura.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he restrained Kakashi.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he intercepted Asura Path.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he dodged Third Raikage.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he was thought to use Body Flicker Technique.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he surpassed A.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he moved around a map.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he "blitzed" Third Raikage.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he reacted before Minato.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he outmaneuvered Tailed Beast Balls.
 
::::::#Naruto is fast because he something with Wood Dragon.
 
::::::Use the absolute fastest example and no others. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:56, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:While trimming could help, it still doesn't change the fact the article is long. It can be solved just by employing the use of the {{Tlx|Main with-include}} template and subpages with LST. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:43, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I agree with Snapper. If we start listing abilities, not just here, but the whole site around, by the best known example of that particular skill set, instead of listing every single, minute detail, of every single action that these characters make, the articles would shrink by quite a bit, while retaining the importance of the most significant actions. Most of us are pretty conservative when it comes to adding mentions of abilities, but then there are others that think that every sneeze a character makes needs to be added to their Abilities section, and this just isn't so.
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== Video Games ==
   
Like I said to begin with, the page's length isn't really a concern. The series is almost over, he's the main character, its going to be long. The page still loads in under a minute, sometimes within mere seconds, and my connection is pretty crappy, so I know its okay for those of you with higher internet speeds. There really isn't any true need to split this article up. There just isn't. So, while if we ''have'' to do this, I prefer a combination of trimming the fat (all the extra references/examples where they're not needed) and Speysider's method of things, I really think a simple trimming of unneeded or redundant information is the better solution of it all. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:53, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Is Naruto playable in every game? If so, under Video Games, couldn't we just say something along the lines of "he's playable in every game" instead of listing each individual game. It would make the longest article on the wiki a tiny bit shorter. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 02:36, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Tailed Beast Mode Power ==
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:Because of how page size is calculated, it would take the page from its current "length" of 219,269 bytes to 219,253 bytes. Actually, if an explanation saying Naruto is playable in every game were added, that would technically make the article "longer". Load times would probably be improved though.
I'd like to include that the manga did show Naruto equaling the combined might of [[Matatabi]], [[Isobu]], [[Kokuo]], [[Saiken]], and [[Chomei]] in the Tailed Beast Ball clash. Something like that couldn't have happened if Naruto was weaker than their combined power. Not only that, he did defeat all five by himself after the clash, pages 12-13 of chapter 572.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:51, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Although I will say that the table is pretty ridiculous at this point. So is the movie section, which is illegible. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:55, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
: He had Gyūki/B's help throughout the fight. Equaling them in power, as far as the Tailed Beast Ball goes, does not mean Naruto is stronger than five Tailed Beasts combined. That is overhyping things at its best. And that will be the last I say on the matter. Anyone else is welcome to comment. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:26, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Gyuki/B helped ''twice'' when Naruto got his own Tailed Beast Mode. And even then, it wasn't needed: Naruto already showed WITHIN the span that B helped that he could have handle himself. And Ten Tailed Fox, you are ignoring that if Naruto had been weaker than the five Tailed Beasts' combined power, his Tailed Beast Ball would have been ''overpowered'' and it both would have been sent flying back to him. And Naruto, as the manga showed, defeated all five at the EXACT. SAME. TIME. In chapter 572 without ANY assistance from B. It isn't overhyping, what you are doing is downplaying a feat.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:30, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:::I happen to agree with you. It's immense downplaying, to the point of being ignorant or lacking comprehension of what's going on. And if one takes insult to that, I apologize, but it's a blatant lack of care to attention that's causing the issue. Naruto matched the power of the other five Bijuu, context being that he had to neither overpower nor underpower his own. He had to lower his power output. It was a delicate balance, and all dialogue and panels (disregarding the anime for a bit) related show him fighting with relative ease. There's more I could redundantly repeat that I've seen SuperSaiyaMan say regarding the topic spread across the Wikia, but that'd be silly. While I do agree he (SuperSaiyaMan) is hyping it, his stance is valid and points well-founded. I wish this silly argument would end already, though. It's becoming childish with how it's being handled. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 02:42, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Prosthetic arm ==
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Can we say he was able to receive that arm from being since he and Hashirama were from the same linage and that's why his body did not reject the arm?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 22:11, August 8, 2015 (UTC)
   
:::: The point that the Tailed Beast Ball overwhelmed the other beasts' has been noted. But that's all that need be done. SuperSaiyaMan doesn't have to write a paragraph glorifying ninja Jesus Naruto (which is how he makes it sound in his edits) because he did so. He did not overwhelm five Tailed Beasts, he equaled their power, grabbed their necks in the confusion following it, and freed them from Obito. Before the Tailed Beast Ball was used, B/Gyūki was assisting him. Regardless of what you think is "childish", which is irrelevant to begin with, we're trying, as you can see in the section above, to cut down on the over hype that some in this community feel they need to add. Naruto's power and prowess in Tailed Beast Mode are noted, to the point of insanity (almost a play-by-play) in his Ability section. Another paragraph glorifying what the manga already makes obvious is overkill, redundant, pointless (especially when you consider his feat with the Beast Ball is already mentioned), and useless. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:52, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== New epilogue pic ==
::::: The arguing is childish, and the way it was being handled. People were almost at eachother's necks, from what I could tell, without either one listening or understanding the other. I have no problem cutting down the hype, but that doesn't lessen any other points being made by people, as it seems as was attempting to be done. As to whether Naruto overwhelmed or not, the manga's dialogue and panels seem to reflect he did, but that's a moot point at this current time. To reiterate: there's no issue trimming, but downplaying the valid points made in debates is an entirely different subject, even when it warps what really happened. It also came across, from each side, as very condescending toward the other; quite demeaning. That is the sole reason I even spoke up, otherwise I tend to stay out of arguments. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 03:05, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:::: Where in the abilities section was Naruto's Tailed Beast Ball equaled the might of the five others? And as Taynio pointed out, the manga's dialogue and panels reflected he did defeat all five afterwards. And if Naruto could equal the combined power from the five of them, why shouldn't that be the same as being as strong as five of them? To me, it seems like the same thing. And I have no problem with the trimming either, it just the way its been happening has acted like a huge downplay to Naruto from what we saw in the manga.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 03:12, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Maybe we should get a anime pic for his epilogue pic? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 00:01, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:Was curious about the same.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:10, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
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== for the final time ==
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Naruto is not, was not, has not ever been jinchuuriki of Shukaki, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokuo, Saiken, Chomei, Gyuki. Their presence in Naruto's mental plane didn't mean he had been their jinchuuriki, otherwise we should classify Naruto as a jinchuuriki of Minato, Kushina, Killer B, Yugito Nii, Yagura, Roshi, Han, Utakata, Fu and Hagoromo himself.
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If Naruto had been their jinchuuriki, Madara would have extracted 7 Tailed Beasts out of Naruto, not just Kurama, not to mention Naruto wouldn't have been dying because he still would have been a jinchuuriki without Kurama if he had the other 6 at the time. The terminology in the series is sometimes used very loosely and incorrect statements or assumptions and half-truths were given, it's written realistically from the characters' perspectives, they have knowledge of some things and don't have of others, or their knowledge is limited. We as readers aren't supposed to take every single word at face value without taking into account context and the fact that each character is written as a distinct individual with different knowledge, personality etc. Sasuke calling Naruto jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts wasn't literal, his knowledge of what jinchuuriki and a Tailed Beast are is minimal. I have debunked this above using logic, now for some facts: in The Last, Gaiden and presumably (yet to see it) Boruto movie, any other Tailed Beast besides Kurama are within Naruto completely absent, unless they are playing hide and seek.
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In The Last, only Kurama appears inside of Naruto's mental plane and otherwise. In Gaiden, only Kurama was there staring at young Shin clone, not other 8 huge monsters. Apparently in Boruto, Shiki notes Naruto is jinchuuriki of Kurama, not of all 9.
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My pleasure.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 09:36, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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AKA I am right but Kishi is wrong. The gall of fans on this site sometimes.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 09:46, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Kishi didn't say anything like that to my knowledge. He wrote Sasuke say that, read above. Not every statement in the manga is factual.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 09:55, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::I think what Elve means is that Naruto isn't a Jinchūriki of the other 8 beasts, but a Pseudo-Jinchūriki, as he has their chakra, but not their bodies sealed in. And I think we previously had it listed as that, don't know why it was changed tho.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 10:03, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Gimme chapters and I translate statements about this. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:06, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Technically, pseudo-jinchuuriki is a fanon/anime-only term, but it describes Naruto situation. @Seel, do you agree or disagree that Naruto is/was an actual jinchuuriki of all 9 using manga/databook evidence and your common sense? There's only Sasuke's statmenet as far as I know, but that's really not enough. Orochimaru said Jugo has Cursed Seal and Kakashi than Sharingan originates within Hyuga Clan.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:09, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Well, the Jugo thing isn't wrong and the Sharingan thing was retconned. I think Hagoromo said something about the beasts' chakra in Naruto as well. And during their final fight, Sasuke said something again... or was it Kurama? Dunno. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:21, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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The point is if the term jinchuuriki was to mean as having the actual beasts sealed inside, did he? No, he had just chakras of 1-8, from 2-7 through chakra transfer fist bump and of 1 and 8 through Obito which he stole from Madara. The actual 7 Tailed Beasts are in the wild (to our knowledge) they aren't sealed inside of Naruto and can't be unsealed, there is nothing to unseal besides Kurama.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:31, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:What do you need to settle this Seelentau? Because as far as I can gather, we had Naruto listed as "psuedo" up until Sasuke called him the jinchuriki of the other beasts, either just prior to their fight (Chapter 693), I don't even know where to begin to find the a Japanese script for the chapter so that's about as accurate I can give you.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:41, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::I have all Japanese volumes, don't worry about that^^ Well yes, Kokuo said it would return to its forest and Son said it would return to the Suiren Cave. That wouldn't make sense if the actual physical beasts were inside Naruto. However, Sasuke still called him Jinchuriki, so it seems like you're a Jinchuriki even with only the beasts' chakra inside you. Meaning there's nothing like a pseudo-jinchuriki. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:44, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::We only have Sasuke's statement to go on at this point blame Kishimoto for using that term. Maybe he changed what defines a jinchuuriki lol.--[[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 10:48, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I doubt anyone believes they were "physically" in Naruto. That'd be stupid. (Not impossible mind you, hello Yin/Yang Kuramas. But stupid.), which in this case okay so no pseudo then. Which honestly was always a point of oddity ever since Minato showed up with Yin-Kurama.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:49, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Well we all know Gyuki is inside of Killer B not Naruto too, so stating Naruto is Gyuki's jinchuuriki is funny. If having just TB chakra makes one a jinchuuriki, then the entire alliance are? Unless that was somehow different. Thing is, it was said:
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* a jinchuuriki is someone who has had a Tailed Beast sealed inside himself/herself
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* extracting said Tailed Beast results in his/her death
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* as shown with Naruto, re-sealing it back can save the jinchuuriki
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If Naruto had been jinchuuriki of 2,3,4,5,6,7,9 tailed beasts at the time, then Madara would have extracted all 7 Tailed Beasts out of Naruto and Naruto wouldn't have been dying because the others would have kept him alive.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:53, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:I believe this has been explained to you before, but there is a difference between being coated in someone's chakra, and having that chakra 'sealed' (which is the term I'm going to use for this, so eat me). Naruto didn't inject the Nine-Tails chakra into the Alliance, he gave coated them with ''his'' chakra, which was why he could still control it. And as pointed out before, the physical beasts are not in Naruto, just their chakra (which itself is apparently enough to make a jinchuriki). I'd even go as far as to argue that the chakra in Naruto was not 'active' until Hagoromo talk-no-jutsu and thus useless during that time anyway, but that's neither here nor there. The point being, the actual beasts are not in Naruto, only the chakra, which itself is enough to make one a jinchuriki but apparently not enough of import.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:02, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::Naruto had one tentacle of Hachibi sealed, right? Like, the physical thing. Like Kurama, just less. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:05, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::He did?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:08, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Incorrect Seelentau. Naruto got the Eight-Tails' chakra from Obito, after he had pulled it and the One-Tail chakra out of Madara. The only one who had tentacle chakra (ha!) was B.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:10, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Last I checked, Naruto only had Kurama's Yang chakra inside him for most of the series. In other words, he didn't have the full beast inside him a very long time and yet was still called a junchuriki. Soooo, not understanding what the fuss is about.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 11:13, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::Because it was actual physical thing. Kurama was split into 2 with a technique, it's not the same as his case with chakras of the others. The other beasts are nowhere to be found inside of Naruto, he just had little of their chakras. They are gone and they weren't unsealed, hence not the original definition of jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:16, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::But didn't Hagoromo said that now that Naruto has all the beasts chakra, they can communicate through him or some shit? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:19, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Correct Tau. Chapter 692, page 6.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 11:21, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::And then Sasuke or Kurama said in the final fight that Naruto had used up all of the TB chakra he got or so, right? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:24, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::It was Kurama who said Naruto's chakra was wery low. I don't think there was any mentioning of TB Chakra...--[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 11:50, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Yes chakra, not that they are actually sealed in him. And even the chakra part is questionable, they have been kinda... gone post chapter 699. Jinchuuriki means "Power of Human Sacrifice" or so. Beast gets sealed into host > beast gets unsealed from host > host dies > if re-sealed host lives. The actual 1-8 beasts weren't sealed into him, chakras of 2-7 didn't keep him alive and they can't be unsealed from him, hence it doesn't fit the original definition of jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:25, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Which leads more into the whole "The original definition of jinchuriki was apparently wrong" shtick. Also I'm looking, throughout the battle, I haven't found anyone say he's run out of TB chakra, just that Naruto is basically running on fumes overall. Will keep looking though.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:35, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::More like Sasuke's definition/understanding of jinchuuriki is wrong.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:37, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::You just keep telling yourself that my friend. Also, as an aside, I'm confused as hell, I thought Naruto used up his Truth Seeking Balls early in the fight? Cause I saw them as late as Double TB Rasenshuriken/Indra Arrow struggle which was the last time you see Naruto in Six-Paths Sage Mode at all.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:39, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Also been through the entire fight, unless I just missed it, I can't see where it states Naruto ran out of tailed beast chakra, just that he was running out of chakra period. Could someone point me to it, perhaps the translation I'm reading is off.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:40, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Naruto used his chakras for his Rasenshuriken/TBB attacks against Indra's Arrow and the remaining rest for his Rasengan against Sasuke's Enton Chidori was Kurama's very last bit of chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:42, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Another pointless topic, sigh: Naruto did not run out TB chakra in fight with Sasuke, he undid MT(wich requres TB chakra) later - this alone is enough to render useless any arguments that Elveonora use here. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 11:59, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:You don't have to be a pain, do you? That's a valid point, so he still had their chakras at that point, good. But the topic is mostly about the definition of jinchuuriki and if Sasuke's statement should be taken at face value. Most agree the 1-8 Beasts aren't actually sealed inside of Naruto, although you may even find some who do.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:04, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::What definition may i ask? Because matter about having parts of TB was not addressed until war arc by Kishi. We have one filler definition pseudo-jinchūriki(jinchūrikimodoki) - that was never used in manga. So from canon standpoint jinchūriki persons who has sealed beasts inside them and can use their power - this makes Naruto jinchūriki of all TB(this is never was about having their bodies). Now we know that if we halve the beast(Kurama) both will be considered as beasts. What you basically saying is: 1:2=50% of beast is ok and both will make you jinchūriki(Naruto, Minato, BZ-Obito) while 1-s=n% of beast is not ok and will not make you jinchūriki(Naruto's and 8TB case) when manga outright said that he is indeed jinchūriki of all TB. So yes this topic pretty pointless cause until some canon source say that Naruto is not jinchūriki of 8TB, he is. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 12:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::In that case pseudo-jinchuuriki should be deleted and Kin&Gin should be classified as jinchuuriki. And that's the thing, Naruto doesn't have the beasts sealed inside him. And Kurama's case is completely different, Kurama was physically sealed into him. Not even 1% of the actual beasts was sealed into Naruto, he was just given little of their chakras.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:34, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Pseudo-jinchuuriki should not be deleted because wiki about Naruto franchise not Naruto manga. It just must be considered as it is:Non-canon material. And again what do you mean by "physically sealed" term?-_- TB are no humans they are living chakra, why for you it is impossible for beast just split little bit of his chakra and that chakra being TB as wall? Because that's what we saw in chapter 655 with Hachibi's tentacle - there wal litle 8tails on his tail. And where did get "Not even 1% of the actual beasts"? - Cause it sounds like you making things. About KinGin i dunno(nor do i care) it is possble that by eanting Kurama's chakra they became his artificial offsprings but since it was never addressed using Occam's Razor - they are indeed jinchuuriki. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 12:51, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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No, they have actual physical bodies and souls, why can't some comprehend that? No, if you take a bit of a Tailed Beast's chakra, that taken chakra isn't another Tailed Beast. Kurama's case was done with Death Demon Consuming Seal. And Naruto doesn't have physical appendages from them inside of him, the only actual physical Tailed Beasts inside is Kurama.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:58, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:"they have actual physical bodies and souls" that's issue here when Minato used shiki on 9tails he sealed half of Kurama's body or physical manifestation(even at moment of sealing Minato referred it as chakra), and now when dealing with humans it is actually deals with soul(Oro case), Nor TB can die i.e. send it's soul into pure world. So yeah most likely for TB chakra it is his soul and body, but that's matter of another discussion. While here we have dead horse beating about what was said in manga - Naruto is jinchuuriki of all TB. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:15, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::If what you say is true, then all Kiri would have had to do is have B transfer Gyuki's chakra to people to have an army of Gyuki's jinchuuriki. Instead they had an actual physical part of it, its tentacle be eaten by someone. The Tailed Beasts were shown to bleed, Gyuki's horn got cut off and Kin&Gin were swallowed by Kurama and they ate flesh from its stomach. The Tailed Beasts aren't hollow, nor is there some chakra ocean inside, they have blood and organs apparently.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 13:33, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Yeah but this way plot Naruto will not work out. And i did not say that TB holow inside - i said on fingers: Tailed Best flesh made from Tailed Best chakra and that's true considering Hagoromo just used CoaT on TT chakra. This is my last post here since we are going into offtop, so i will wait till you find some argument to at least build base for your claims - you don't have it atm. So have a nice day. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:52, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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As far as the official definition of jinchuuriki goes, Naruto is not of theirs. People rather assume it was broadened to mean other things than that Sasuke was wrong. And as far as the phenomenon that took place goes, no sealing of actual physical Tailed Beasts took place. Naruto is hence not their jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:16, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Well Kishimoto broadened the term when he made Sasuke use it.--[[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 14:39, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Or he made Sasuke wrong.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:56, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Except, after the Ten-Tails' story was retconned. Hagoromo himself would only be a Jinchuriki via having the chakra sealed into himself. As it was stated that the body of the Ten-Tails (Gedo Mazou) was sealed into what became known as the Moon. Then Hamura and the rest of the clan departed to live on it and protect the husk of the beast. While Hagoromo was classified as it's Jinchuriki, and later extracted it's chakra from himself and created the nine Tailed Beasts from it. The fact that Naruto is called the Jinchuriki of all the Tailed Beasts towards the end of the Manga, on top of Hagoromo's story being retconned with him being in similar circumstances to Naruto. It doesn't make any sense for Kishimoto to make Sasuke spew incorrect information at the end of the Manga to confuse readers. Naruto may not have their actual bodies, but their chakra is all he needs to be their meeting ground as Hagoromo said himself. Also, your examples on Naruto being the Jin of all those people is wrong, he only met most of them via the Tailed Beasts telepathy psyche plane, their chakras were never ever sealed into him, only the beasts' were. Minato and Kushina are human, not beasts, their chakra clearly ran out entirely and dissipated. Their circumstances are different.
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When Naruto called on the chakra of each of the beasts, only one beasts appeared at a time, until he called on all of them at once when using their chakras all at once. Naruto never used SPSM at all in The Last, and he only ever uses their chakras in that mode. So of course they would be absent in The Last, in Gaiden, he only used Kurama. That also isn't proof, as why would he call on all of the beasts and go all out against a single Shin clone? As for the Boruto movie, I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. But basically what I'm trying to say is that absence is not equivalent to not having it. Overall, the end of the Manga says Naruto is the Jinchuriki of all the beasts, and nothing else has said he isn't. We're suppose to take the words of the Manga over anything else, not what we personally think. --[[User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4]] ([[User talk:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|talk]]) 16:43, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
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:It's little offtopic, but sure. Problem is, Kurama said Gedo Mazo kept him alive after he extracted the chakra and made him and the other beasts and only then sent her to the skies as the moon. Yet, it's also shown and said that Ten-Tails was sent into the skies as a moon right after they defeated her, it's a known plothole. There are basically 2 versions of the events, both incompatible with each other. But just to answer, either way, the cases are different.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 17:05, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
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Yeah that's true, but wouldn't the words of Hagoromo himself and the databook > Kurama's (or maybe it was Gyuki) words? All of those other versions of Hagormo's story were either said by Obito, Madara, or Kurama. With the first two obviously having it wrong since the tablet they got that from was tampered by Black Zetsu. Kurama is the most reliable out of them all, but he was basically a newborn around that time. He probably didn't remember the whole story or got some of it wrong. Of course I cannot prove that, but after what Hagoromo said and what the most recent databook said it contradicts what was said earlier in the Manga. So it was most likely a retcon and we know that Obito and Madara were wrong anyway.--[[User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4]] ([[User talk:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|talk]]) 17:19, August 12, 2015 (UTC)
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==Part III & Part IV Profile Pics==
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I think it’s time we seriously put profile pics in for Part III and Part IV, “The Last” takes place in Part III and everyone sports a new look so even if you don’t accept the Hiden and “The Last” as a “Part III” having a profile pic for “The Last” is warranted enough given that everyone has a new look. Part IV is also a better phrase than “Epilogue” given it’s the beginning of the NextGen’s story. Other wikis like the Portuguese Naruto wiki are already making this change and I think we should too. Even if it just goes “Part I, Part II, The Last, Epilogue” but simply stating them as “Part I, II, III, IV” would probably be a lot easier especially since the Hiden series will probably get animated and the likelihood of the NextGen getting some form of animation. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 17:24, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
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: Part I and II are official classifications given by Kishi himself. He named them such at the end of Part I, where he declared Naruto would be split between a part one and two. There is no Part III, IV, V, or beyond. That is the stuff of fan ficiton and nothing more. Anything beyond Part II takes place in the Blank Period, which is an Epilogue by definition. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:30, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
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::There. Is. No. Part. III. And definitely no Part IV. Both of those are just fanmade and never confirmed by Kishi. "Part I", "Part II", and "Epilogue" were all confirmed by Kishi. Nothing else. EDIT: Forgot about Blank Period, :x {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 23:42, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:::If anything I think we should add "the blank period" and update the Epilogue picture, Naruto is the only one left out of an picture update to animation.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 23:58, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
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: I simply used "Part III & Part IV" because it was easier to type WindStar, cool the jets dude. If anything you failed to read the entire statement, We could use "Blank Period" & "Epilogue". Given there are a total of FOUR different looks for the main characters for "Part I, II, Blank Period, & Epilogue" we need four profile pics. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 11:37, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
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::<blockquote>''Even if it just goes “Part I, Part II, The Last, Epilogue” but simply stating them as “Part I, II, III, IV” would probably be a lot easier especially since the Hiden series will probably get animated and the likelihood of the NextGen getting some form of animation.''</blockquote>
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::Nice try, but I did read your statement. And that still doesn't negate the fact that "Part III" and such is fanmade and never will get in articles unless confirmed by Kishi (Or anyone that's worked with him).
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::Also, we don't need to stuff the infobox with too many tabbers. That's the point of "Appearance" sections, to showcase the rest. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 13:32, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Still just think we should add "Blank Period" just to cover all four periods for the series. If we're not going to do it for all four, why bother using more than one profile pic to begin with? It just seems like given "Blank Period" sports a new look and is the end of "Part II" but before "Epilogue" it warrants it just to stay consistent. [[User:Shock Dragoon|Shock Dragoon]] ([[User talk:Shock Dragoon|talk]]) 13:41, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

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Do you think we can add ¨Proud Failure¨ to the moniker list? Justin Holland (talk) 22:49, July 9, 2015 (UTC)

When was he called that?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:29, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
Before his match with Neji, from Hinata. Justin Holland (talk) 18:31, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
I wouldn't list him as that, does not sound as if it would've been of so much importance. But if we actually would do so, then we should also include Sasuke's "Dr. Snake". Norleon (talk) 18:49, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

kekkei genkai Edit

Unless I'm mistaken, he used Lava, Magnet, Boil using chakras of the Tailed Beasts, does it make sense to list them in his infobox? Kekkei Genkai means bloodline limit, it's not part of his genetic makeup to use those advanced natures.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 00:03, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

But he used them anyhow, and those advanced natures are KKG. The TB chakra he's utilises are a part of him now. And anyway, who's to say Lava Release was really part of Rōshi's genetic make-up? What Han and Boil Release? Simply put, the TB's chakra is part of Naruto now.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 00:07, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
The databook says that about Roshi. :| • Seelentau 愛 00:11, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Okay. But is that uniform? Yes or no, the advanced natures in question are KKG anyway. If you can use it, you can utilise the KKG. The chakra's are a part of Naruto now.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 00:17, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Are they?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 00:18, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
The difference is that he doesn't have the kekkei genkai that is the genetical makeup. He only has the kekkei genkai that is the resulting ability. Roshi had both. • Seelentau 愛 00:20, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto doesn't have those kekkei genkai any more than his friends are users of Rasengan and are jinchuuriki. He even had to yell: "x TB do it" how is that him having the KKGs?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 00:22, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

I understand the difference clearly. And I'm taking your word for it regarding Rōshi, but my question still hasn't been answered. Is Rōshi's case uniform amongst all the jinchuriki? And quite frankly, where's the relevance really? The TB's chakra are/were (depends on who you ask) part of Naruto. He utilised the KKG, so a removal would be wrong. That's how I see it. I get what you're saying though. Oh and Elve, Chap. 673, page 4 Naruto asked Son to lend him chakra. That's as far as Son went. Big difference from what you're claiming.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 00:31, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
How does Roshi giving Naruto his Lava Release chakra make Naruto having Lava Release Kekkei Genkai?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 00:33, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Same way Hagoromo gifted Sasuke the Six Paths Yin Seal and SP chakra and Sasuke's listed as a user of both. Naruto used the KKG, transferred it into his Rasenshuriken, and everything. It's part of his arsenal. That's all there is to it.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 00:39, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
@Elve, Roshi is jinchuriki of Son Goku - the beast. Anyway even if Naruto lost chakra of other TB(which is arguable) he will still have KKG same way Kakashi has Sharingan and Madara has Rinne Sharingan - historically - and why people forget that Naruto has KKG characteristic in DB? ./ Rage gtx (talk) 02:21, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Mode cont. Edit

His mode in Gaiden can't be Six Paths Sage Mode because it lacks the distinct markings and Truth-Seeking Balls. I believe it's Tailed Beast Sage Mode enhanced with/by Six Paths chakra. Why? Because when he re-entered to fight Madara, his normal Sage Mode lacked pigmentation around the eyes too and that was before he activated Six Paths Sage Mode. Sasuke noted towards the end of their last fight that his Tailed Beast chakra gifts were running out, just before he created two large Rasenshuriken variations. Also, his usage of Six Paths chakra in The Last certainly confirms he still has that. Pesa123456789 (talk) 18:13, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

When does he use Six Paths chakra/Six Paths Senjutsu in The Last?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 19:14, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Video Games Edit

Is Naruto playable in every game? If so, under Video Games, couldn't we just say something along the lines of "he's playable in every game" instead of listing each individual game. It would make the longest article on the wiki a tiny bit shorter. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 02:36, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Because of how page size is calculated, it would take the page from its current "length" of 219,269 bytes to 219,253 bytes. Actually, if an explanation saying Naruto is playable in every game were added, that would technically make the article "longer". Load times would probably be improved though.
Although I will say that the table is pretty ridiculous at this point. So is the movie section, which is illegible. ~SnapperTo 16:55, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Prosthetic arm Edit

Can we say he was able to receive that arm from being since he and Hashirama were from the same linage and that's why his body did not reject the arm?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 22:11, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

New epilogue pic Edit

Maybe we should get a anime pic for his epilogue pic? Justin Holland (talk) 00:01, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Was curious about the same.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 13:10, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

for the final time Edit

Naruto is not, was not, has not ever been jinchuuriki of Shukaki, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokuo, Saiken, Chomei, Gyuki. Their presence in Naruto's mental plane didn't mean he had been their jinchuuriki, otherwise we should classify Naruto as a jinchuuriki of Minato, Kushina, Killer B, Yugito Nii, Yagura, Roshi, Han, Utakata, Fu and Hagoromo himself.


If Naruto had been their jinchuuriki, Madara would have extracted 7 Tailed Beasts out of Naruto, not just Kurama, not to mention Naruto wouldn't have been dying because he still would have been a jinchuuriki without Kurama if he had the other 6 at the time. The terminology in the series is sometimes used very loosely and incorrect statements or assumptions and half-truths were given, it's written realistically from the characters' perspectives, they have knowledge of some things and don't have of others, or their knowledge is limited. We as readers aren't supposed to take every single word at face value without taking into account context and the fact that each character is written as a distinct individual with different knowledge, personality etc. Sasuke calling Naruto jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts wasn't literal, his knowledge of what jinchuuriki and a Tailed Beast are is minimal. I have debunked this above using logic, now for some facts: in The Last, Gaiden and presumably (yet to see it) Boruto movie, any other Tailed Beast besides Kurama are within Naruto completely absent, unless they are playing hide and seek. In The Last, only Kurama appears inside of Naruto's mental plane and otherwise. In Gaiden, only Kurama was there staring at young Shin clone, not other 8 huge monsters. Apparently in Boruto, Shiki notes Naruto is jinchuuriki of Kurama, not of all 9.

My pleasure.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 09:36, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

AKA I am right but Kishi is wrong. The gall of fans on this site sometimes.Umishiru (talk) 09:46, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Kishi didn't say anything like that to my knowledge. He wrote Sasuke say that, read above. Not every statement in the manga is factual.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 09:55, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
I think what Elve means is that Naruto isn't a Jinchūriki of the other 8 beasts, but a Pseudo-Jinchūriki, as he has their chakra, but not their bodies sealed in. And I think we previously had it listed as that, don't know why it was changed tho.--Omojuze (talk) 10:03, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Gimme chapters and I translate statements about this. • Seelentau 愛 10:06, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Technically, pseudo-jinchuuriki is a fanon/anime-only term, but it describes Naruto situation. @Seel, do you agree or disagree that Naruto is/was an actual jinchuuriki of all 9 using manga/databook evidence and your common sense? There's only Sasuke's statmenet as far as I know, but that's really not enough. Orochimaru said Jugo has Cursed Seal and Kakashi than Sharingan originates within Hyuga Clan.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 10:09, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Well, the Jugo thing isn't wrong and the Sharingan thing was retconned. I think Hagoromo said something about the beasts' chakra in Naruto as well. And during their final fight, Sasuke said something again... or was it Kurama? Dunno. • Seelentau 愛 10:21, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

The point is if the term jinchuuriki was to mean as having the actual beasts sealed inside, did he? No, he had just chakras of 1-8, from 2-7 through chakra transfer fist bump and of 1 and 8 through Obito which he stole from Madara. The actual 7 Tailed Beasts are in the wild (to our knowledge) they aren't sealed inside of Naruto and can't be unsealed, there is nothing to unseal besides Kurama.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 10:31, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

What do you need to settle this Seelentau? Because as far as I can gather, we had Naruto listed as "psuedo" up until Sasuke called him the jinchuriki of the other beasts, either just prior to their fight (Chapter 693), I don't even know where to begin to find the a Japanese script for the chapter so that's about as accurate I can give you.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 10:41, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
I have all Japanese volumes, don't worry about that^^ Well yes, Kokuo said it would return to its forest and Son said it would return to the Suiren Cave. That wouldn't make sense if the actual physical beasts were inside Naruto. However, Sasuke still called him Jinchuriki, so it seems like you're a Jinchuriki even with only the beasts' chakra inside you. Meaning there's nothing like a pseudo-jinchuriki. • Seelentau 愛 10:44, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
We only have Sasuke's statement to go on at this point blame Kishimoto for using that term. Maybe he changed what defines a jinchuuriki lol.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 10:48, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
I doubt anyone believes they were "physically" in Naruto. That'd be stupid. (Not impossible mind you, hello Yin/Yang Kuramas. But stupid.), which in this case okay so no pseudo then. Which honestly was always a point of oddity ever since Minato showed up with Yin-Kurama.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 10:49, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well we all know Gyuki is inside of Killer B not Naruto too, so stating Naruto is Gyuki's jinchuuriki is funny. If having just TB chakra makes one a jinchuuriki, then the entire alliance are? Unless that was somehow different. Thing is, it was said:

  • a jinchuuriki is someone who has had a Tailed Beast sealed inside himself/herself
  • extracting said Tailed Beast results in his/her death
  • as shown with Naruto, re-sealing it back can save the jinchuuriki

If Naruto had been jinchuuriki of 2,3,4,5,6,7,9 tailed beasts at the time, then Madara would have extracted all 7 Tailed Beasts out of Naruto and Naruto wouldn't have been dying because the others would have kept him alive.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 10:53, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

I believe this has been explained to you before, but there is a difference between being coated in someone's chakra, and having that chakra 'sealed' (which is the term I'm going to use for this, so eat me). Naruto didn't inject the Nine-Tails chakra into the Alliance, he gave coated them with his chakra, which was why he could still control it. And as pointed out before, the physical beasts are not in Naruto, just their chakra (which itself is apparently enough to make a jinchuriki). I'd even go as far as to argue that the chakra in Naruto was not 'active' until Hagoromo talk-no-jutsu and thus useless during that time anyway, but that's neither here nor there. The point being, the actual beasts are not in Naruto, only the chakra, which itself is enough to make one a jinchuriki but apparently not enough of import.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 11:02, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Naruto had one tentacle of Hachibi sealed, right? Like, the physical thing. Like Kurama, just less. • Seelentau 愛 11:05, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
He did?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:08, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Incorrect Seelentau. Naruto got the Eight-Tails' chakra from Obito, after he had pulled it and the One-Tail chakra out of Madara. The only one who had tentacle chakra (ha!) was B.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 11:10, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Last I checked, Naruto only had Kurama's Yang chakra inside him for most of the series. In other words, he didn't have the full beast inside him a very long time and yet was still called a junchuriki. Soooo, not understanding what the fuss is about.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 11:13, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Because it was actual physical thing. Kurama was split into 2 with a technique, it's not the same as his case with chakras of the others. The other beasts are nowhere to be found inside of Naruto, he just had little of their chakras. They are gone and they weren't unsealed, hence not the original definition of jinchuuriki.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:16, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
But didn't Hagoromo said that now that Naruto has all the beasts chakra, they can communicate through him or some shit? • Seelentau 愛 11:19, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Correct Tau. Chapter 692, page 6.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 11:21, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
And then Sasuke or Kurama said in the final fight that Naruto had used up all of the TB chakra he got or so, right? • Seelentau 愛 11:24, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
It was Kurama who said Naruto's chakra was wery low. I don't think there was any mentioning of TB Chakra...--JouXIII (talk) 11:50, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yes chakra, not that they are actually sealed in him. And even the chakra part is questionable, they have been kinda... gone post chapter 699. Jinchuuriki means "Power of Human Sacrifice" or so. Beast gets sealed into host > beast gets unsealed from host > host dies > if re-sealed host lives. The actual 1-8 beasts weren't sealed into him, chakras of 2-7 didn't keep him alive and they can't be unsealed from him, hence it doesn't fit the original definition of jinchuuriki.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:25, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Which leads more into the whole "The original definition of jinchuriki was apparently wrong" shtick. Also I'm looking, throughout the battle, I haven't found anyone say he's run out of TB chakra, just that Naruto is basically running on fumes overall. Will keep looking though.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 11:35, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
More like Sasuke's definition/understanding of jinchuuriki is wrong.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:37, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
You just keep telling yourself that my friend. Also, as an aside, I'm confused as hell, I thought Naruto used up his Truth Seeking Balls early in the fight? Cause I saw them as late as Double TB Rasenshuriken/Indra Arrow struggle which was the last time you see Naruto in Six-Paths Sage Mode at all.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 11:39, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Also been through the entire fight, unless I just missed it, I can't see where it states Naruto ran out of tailed beast chakra, just that he was running out of chakra period. Could someone point me to it, perhaps the translation I'm reading is off.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 11:40, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto used his chakras for his Rasenshuriken/TBB attacks against Indra's Arrow and the remaining rest for his Rasengan against Sasuke's Enton Chidori was Kurama's very last bit of chakra.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:42, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Another pointless topic, sigh: Naruto did not run out TB chakra in fight with Sasuke, he undid MT(wich requres TB chakra) later - this alone is enough to render useless any arguments that Elveonora use here. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 11:59, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

You don't have to be a pain, do you? That's a valid point, so he still had their chakras at that point, good. But the topic is mostly about the definition of jinchuuriki and if Sasuke's statement should be taken at face value. Most agree the 1-8 Beasts aren't actually sealed inside of Naruto, although you may even find some who do.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:04, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
What definition may i ask? Because matter about having parts of TB was not addressed until war arc by Kishi. We have one filler definition pseudo-jinchūriki(jinchūrikimodoki) - that was never used in manga. So from canon standpoint jinchūriki persons who has sealed beasts inside them and can use their power - this makes Naruto jinchūriki of all TB(this is never was about having their bodies). Now we know that if we halve the beast(Kurama) both will be considered as beasts. What you basically saying is: 1:2=50% of beast is ok and both will make you jinchūriki(Naruto, Minato, BZ-Obito) while 1-s=n% of beast is not ok and will not make you jinchūriki(Naruto's and 8TB case) when manga outright said that he is indeed jinchūriki of all TB. So yes this topic pretty pointless cause until some canon source say that Naruto is not jinchūriki of 8TB, he is. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 12:29, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
In that case pseudo-jinchuuriki should be deleted and Kin&Gin should be classified as jinchuuriki. And that's the thing, Naruto doesn't have the beasts sealed inside him. And Kurama's case is completely different, Kurama was physically sealed into him. Not even 1% of the actual beasts was sealed into Naruto, he was just given little of their chakras.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:34, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Pseudo-jinchuuriki should not be deleted because wiki about Naruto franchise not Naruto manga. It just must be considered as it is:Non-canon material. And again what do you mean by "physically sealed" term?-_- TB are no humans they are living chakra, why for you it is impossible for beast just split little bit of his chakra and that chakra being TB as wall? Because that's what we saw in chapter 655 with Hachibi's tentacle - there wal litle 8tails on his tail. And where did get "Not even 1% of the actual beasts"? - Cause it sounds like you making things. About KinGin i dunno(nor do i care) it is possble that by eanting Kurama's chakra they became his artificial offsprings but since it was never addressed using Occam's Razor - they are indeed jinchuuriki. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 12:51, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

No, they have actual physical bodies and souls, why can't some comprehend that? No, if you take a bit of a Tailed Beast's chakra, that taken chakra isn't another Tailed Beast. Kurama's case was done with Death Demon Consuming Seal. And Naruto doesn't have physical appendages from them inside of him, the only actual physical Tailed Beasts inside is Kurama.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:58, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

"they have actual physical bodies and souls" that's issue here when Minato used shiki on 9tails he sealed half of Kurama's body or physical manifestation(even at moment of sealing Minato referred it as chakra), and now when dealing with humans it is actually deals with soul(Oro case), Nor TB can die i.e. send it's soul into pure world. So yeah most likely for TB chakra it is his soul and body, but that's matter of another discussion. While here we have dead horse beating about what was said in manga - Naruto is jinchuuriki of all TB. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:15, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
If what you say is true, then all Kiri would have had to do is have B transfer Gyuki's chakra to people to have an army of Gyuki's jinchuuriki. Instead they had an actual physical part of it, its tentacle be eaten by someone. The Tailed Beasts were shown to bleed, Gyuki's horn got cut off and Kin&Gin were swallowed by Kurama and they ate flesh from its stomach. The Tailed Beasts aren't hollow, nor is there some chakra ocean inside, they have blood and organs apparently.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:33, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah but this way plot Naruto will not work out. And i did not say that TB holow inside - i said on fingers: Tailed Best flesh made from Tailed Best chakra and that's true considering Hagoromo just used CoaT on TT chakra. This is my last post here since we are going into offtop, so i will wait till you find some argument to at least build base for your claims - you don't have it atm. So have a nice day. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:52, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

As far as the official definition of jinchuuriki goes, Naruto is not of theirs. People rather assume it was broadened to mean other things than that Sasuke was wrong. And as far as the phenomenon that took place goes, no sealing of actual physical Tailed Beasts took place. Naruto is hence not their jinchuuriki.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:16, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Well Kishimoto broadened the term when he made Sasuke use it.--Kuroiraikou (talk) 14:39, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Or he made Sasuke wrong.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:56, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Except, after the Ten-Tails' story was retconned. Hagoromo himself would only be a Jinchuriki via having the chakra sealed into himself. As it was stated that the body of the Ten-Tails (Gedo Mazou) was sealed into what became known as the Moon. Then Hamura and the rest of the clan departed to live on it and protect the husk of the beast. While Hagoromo was classified as it's Jinchuriki, and later extracted it's chakra from himself and created the nine Tailed Beasts from it. The fact that Naruto is called the Jinchuriki of all the Tailed Beasts towards the end of the Manga, on top of Hagoromo's story being retconned with him being in similar circumstances to Naruto. It doesn't make any sense for Kishimoto to make Sasuke spew incorrect information at the end of the Manga to confuse readers. Naruto may not have their actual bodies, but their chakra is all he needs to be their meeting ground as Hagoromo said himself. Also, your examples on Naruto being the Jin of all those people is wrong, he only met most of them via the Tailed Beasts telepathy psyche plane, their chakras were never ever sealed into him, only the beasts' were. Minato and Kushina are human, not beasts, their chakra clearly ran out entirely and dissipated. Their circumstances are different.

When Naruto called on the chakra of each of the beasts, only one beasts appeared at a time, until he called on all of them at once when using their chakras all at once. Naruto never used SPSM at all in The Last, and he only ever uses their chakras in that mode. So of course they would be absent in The Last, in Gaiden, he only used Kurama. That also isn't proof, as why would he call on all of the beasts and go all out against a single Shin clone? As for the Boruto movie, I don't know, I haven't seen it yet. But basically what I'm trying to say is that absence is not equivalent to not having it. Overall, the end of the Manga says Naruto is the Jinchuriki of all the beasts, and nothing else has said he isn't. We're suppose to take the words of the Manga over anything else, not what we personally think. --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 16:43, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

It's little offtopic, but sure. Problem is, Kurama said Gedo Mazo kept him alive after he extracted the chakra and made him and the other beasts and only then sent her to the skies as the moon. Yet, it's also shown and said that Ten-Tails was sent into the skies as a moon right after they defeated her, it's a known plothole. There are basically 2 versions of the events, both incompatible with each other. But just to answer, either way, the cases are different.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 17:05, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that's true, but wouldn't the words of Hagoromo himself and the databook > Kurama's (or maybe it was Gyuki) words? All of those other versions of Hagormo's story were either said by Obito, Madara, or Kurama. With the first two obviously having it wrong since the tablet they got that from was tampered by Black Zetsu. Kurama is the most reliable out of them all, but he was basically a newborn around that time. He probably didn't remember the whole story or got some of it wrong. Of course I cannot prove that, but after what Hagoromo said and what the most recent databook said it contradicts what was said earlier in the Manga. So it was most likely a retcon and we know that Obito and Madara were wrong anyway.--Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 17:19, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Part III & Part IV Profile PicsEdit

I think it’s time we seriously put profile pics in for Part III and Part IV, “The Last” takes place in Part III and everyone sports a new look so even if you don’t accept the Hiden and “The Last” as a “Part III” having a profile pic for “The Last” is warranted enough given that everyone has a new look. Part IV is also a better phrase than “Epilogue” given it’s the beginning of the NextGen’s story. Other wikis like the Portuguese Naruto wiki are already making this change and I think we should too. Even if it just goes “Part I, Part II, The Last, Epilogue” but simply stating them as “Part I, II, III, IV” would probably be a lot easier especially since the Hiden series will probably get animated and the likelihood of the NextGen getting some form of animation. Shock Dragoon (talk) 17:24, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Part I and II are official classifications given by Kishi himself. He named them such at the end of Part I, where he declared Naruto would be split between a part one and two. There is no Part III, IV, V, or beyond. That is the stuff of fan ficiton and nothing more. Anything beyond Part II takes place in the Blank Period, which is an Epilogue by definition. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:30, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
There. Is. No. Part. III. And definitely no Part IV. Both of those are just fanmade and never confirmed by Kishi. "Part I", "Part II", and "Epilogue" were all confirmed by Kishi. Nothing else. EDIT: Forgot about Blank Period, :x WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:42, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
If anything I think we should add "the blank period" and update the Epilogue picture, Naruto is the only one left out of an picture update to animation.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 23:58, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
I simply used "Part III & Part IV" because it was easier to type WindStar, cool the jets dude. If anything you failed to read the entire statement, We could use "Blank Period" & "Epilogue". Given there are a total of FOUR different looks for the main characters for "Part I, II, Blank Period, & Epilogue" we need four profile pics. Shock Dragoon (talk) 11:37, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
Even if it just goes “Part I, Part II, The Last, Epilogue” but simply stating them as “Part I, II, III, IV” would probably be a lot easier especially since the Hiden series will probably get animated and the likelihood of the NextGen getting some form of animation.
Nice try, but I did read your statement. And that still doesn't negate the fact that "Part III" and such is fanmade and never will get in articles unless confirmed by Kishi (Or anyone that's worked with him).
Also, we don't need to stuff the infobox with too many tabbers. That's the point of "Appearance" sections, to showcase the rest. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 13:32, August 28, 2015 (UTC)
Still just think we should add "Blank Period" just to cover all four periods for the series. If we're not going to do it for all four, why bother using more than one profile pic to begin with? It just seems like given "Blank Period" sports a new look and is the end of "Part II" but before "Epilogue" it warrants it just to stay consistent. Shock Dragoon (talk) 13:41, August 28, 2015 (UTC)

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