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== Unknow Jutsu ==
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== Fire Release Nature Type ==
What is the Jutsu that Naruto still hasn't completed yet? I know Jiraiya told him not to do it and when he got the Key to the Seal he was told he could complete it now. {{unsigned|74.233.29.63}}
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I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with [[Gamabunta]]. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
It's the tailed beast ball? Right?
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So can anyone actually answer my questions...? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/166.147.89.155|166.147.89.155]] ([[User talk:166.147.89.155|talk]]) 02:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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*He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
:It's not the Tailed Beast Ball as Killer Bee tried to teach him that. We currently don't know what it is as it's not named on [[That Technique| this page]]. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 03:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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::He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his [[Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan]] technique. So yea...it's what Naruto '''''does''''' with the chakra the beasts provided him. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::At first I was asking. Now I am telling. '''Enough'''. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. '''Now'''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Pretty sure Jiraiya told him 'not to use that power', i.e Kurama's chakra. About all we know about this unknown technique is that Minato created it, laying the foundation on which Jiraiya and Naruto would further develop it, and that to use it Naruto had to first gain control of Kurama's chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 04:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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Just chill?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Usuratonkachi ==
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being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
Can 'Usuratonkachi' be included in the infobox? Just wondering. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 00:57, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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:When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
:Whut's thaaat?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:50, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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::Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
He is just trolling... it's what Sasuke used to call Naruto, a useless clumsy idiot/dumbass. I don't think we should list that as his title/nickname lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release technique[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
:But Sakura and Ino had nicknames like Dekorin (forehead girl) and Ino-buta (Ino-pig) respectively. So why not Naruto? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:53, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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:And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::If you're referring to the '[[Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough]]' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Trying to come up with a good anti-argument... O_O someone help me, I had no idea till now that Sakura and Ino have those things in their infobox--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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== Yin-Yang Release ==
:If that was used more than once, and exclusively to Naruto (unlike, let's say, "scaredy cat", which both Sasuke and Naruto called each other at some point), and if it's properly referenced, fine by me. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
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I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball
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Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release.
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So we got two options
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1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
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2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )
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Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .{{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
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:TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== cleanup idea ==
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I've just edited them right now {{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
It's pointless to have [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki#Jinch.C5.ABriki_Transformations this] when a redirect to [[Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms]] would be more than enough, don't you think? Why to have noted the same thing twice?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Removing it completely won't be right... Maybe we could shorten it more.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::Yep, shortening. "As a host of Kurama, the Nine-Tails, Naruto benefits from this and that, refer to his jinchuriky transformations article for more information" or something akin to that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
:::One line and repetition of the {{tlx|main}}?
 
:::It should have atleast a paragraph of '''good quality''', ''maybe'' similar to what is in its Relationships section.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
Yes, that was just an example that I have used. That goes for jinchuriky section. Overall, his whole abilities section should be streamlined. For example, I don't think we should note him making a Rasengan without Shadow Clones or two of them at once WITH Kurama's chakra (this should stay purely in host forms article) the reason for this is because everyone with Kurama's chakra can do things they couldn't before. It's not Naruto's own skill--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Correction to many pages ==
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In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
The correction I am speaking of is the Drilling Air Bullets listed under ninjutsu that Naruto can use. It says it is only used in a game. I think they are talking about Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3, where he can use Wind Release: Air Bullets, not Drilling Air Bullets. It should be changed to such, since the Naruto, Drilling Air Bullets, and Air Bullet page are all incorrect. I am not sure how to change it, so I am posting this so someone else will. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 02:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:The customisable wind technique Naruto can use in that game actually is Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet, the kanji are the same. The reason it shows in Naruto's infobox is due to a software but in the extension used to make the infoboxes, something not easily fixable from our end. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
Sorry to correct you, but I have the game on right now and it is Wind Release: Air Bullets. There is a separate page for air bullets. the only one who uses the drilling air bullet is the one tails. BUT since you say it is difficult to change, I won't ask you to correct it. Just please realize that it is in fact on the wrong page. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 05:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:And if you would bother looking at the article on that technique, you would see that Air Bullet is how the name of this technique was translated in English, for example, on TV. We add different translations if they differ between themselves. I have seen screenshots of the game in Japanese, and the kanji are the same. There's a reason we go to lengths to have the kanji of techniques, so we can get proper translations. Viz does a good job on dialogue, but the name of stuff sometimes gets change so instead of accuracy, it's either better sounding or simpler to understand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:47, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
ok lets just mention pure logic. which is more likely: naruto using a technique that only the one tails can use or the one that is listed as a wind style jutsu that could technically be learned by anyone? come on. if you dont understand that there is a page for wind style air bullets here it is. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Air_Bullets simple enough. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:23, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:That is an unnamed technique article. When manga or anime shows a technique without naming it, we create the article on the technique using a descriptive, generic name for it. That article in question was created when Nagato used that in an anime exclusive sequence, in March, last year. The game in which Naruto used the technique was released in 2009. And also, I should remind you: Naruto used the technique ''in a game''. If you search for the kanji for other custom techniques from that game we also have articles on, specifically "雷遁・雷震閃" and "水遁・大鉄砲玉", you will find sites that list the kanji for custom jutsu certain characters can use. Among them, you will see the kanji for Shukaku's Wind Release technique. And to put the final nail on this topic: [http://bbs.tgbus.com/thread-770711-1-1.html here is a thread] in a forum, with screenshots of the game in Japanese (the forum is in Chinese, the screenshots are in Japanese). In the second image below the character selection screen, where custom jutsu are selectable, you will see the kanji for that Wind Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
It can have the same kanji and still have a different meaning. the names are so similar that they would probably have the same one. i dont know much about the japanese language, but this is the case with basically every language ever. but thats all i feel like arguing on this one case. Try not to base your whole argument on only one thing. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
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== Actual age ==
   
== Taijutsu benchmark ==
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Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?[[User:FirstDrellSpectre|FirstDrellSpectre]] ([[User talk:FirstDrellSpectre|talk]]) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
So, looking through some recent changes to the article, I noticed someone readded a sentence to Naruto's taijutsu section, mentioning his taijutsu performance against Itachi. I know Itachi is great and all, but since when does he figure as a taijutsu benchmark? Itachi hardly has any taijutsu feats to reliably make him something to compare taijutsu aptitude with. If you want to go with databooks stats, yes he's skilled, but so is Orochimaru in genjutsu. I recall removing something like that last year. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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:Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sharingan user + high taijutsu score = fast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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== Flight Technique ==
   
High taijutsu score means skill, not power. Sharingan itself isn't speed, just perception. I get the speed argument though, but those are not quite the arguments to make for it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--[[User:Solidedub|Solidedub]] ([[User talk:Solidedub|talk]]) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Naruto's taijutsu is certainly above average, just look at people like Shikamaru, Ino and pretty much his peers, I'm yet to see them do some serious taijutsu fight... the only capable are Lee, Choji, Sakura, Hinata and perhaps Kiba (R.I.P. Neji) and the only one who can equal him in terms of physical strength and speed is Lee. But not to talk only about strength and speed, his fighting style/technique also matters... he knows frog punches and kicks and ****
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:I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Being equal in taijutsu to not-ill Itachi who has a Sharingan thus can follow and predict movements speaks for itself alone, but if that's not enough for ya, then take into consideration the above as well, so... Oh, he also managed to keep up with Pain in his base mode for a short while and deflected Sasuke's kunai meant to kill Sakura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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::It's there, just click on "jutsu"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm not trying to downplay Naruto's taijutsu, I'm just saying that comparing it to Itachi's doesn't feel like the way to sell it. It's like saying pizza is good because the dough is tasty. Pizza is good, but dough isn't what gives it flavour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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::Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nope, not here either. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Consider performing null edits on both this page and [[Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki]]. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tabs in articles ==
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== Sensor Type ==
I have an idea about having tabs ('Introduction', 'History', and 'Abilities') for long character articles (i.e. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, etc.), like these examples ([http://es.naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki], [http://aonoexorcist.wikia.com/wiki/Rin_Okumura], and [http://toriko.wikia.com/wiki/Toriko]). What do you guys think? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I like this idea.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 22:58, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
:Glad you like! The only thing is that I don't how to get it done. Anybody know how? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 01:09, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
::When you mentioned tabs, I thought it had something to do with the tabber extension we use for tabbed images in infoboxes, but from what I can glance at, what those sites did was simply a fancier version of what we do with archives. It's a sub-page of an article, created in it's namespace (for example, "Naruto Uzumaki/Abilites" and "Naruto Uzumaki/History"). Same thing anyone in this wiki has done to make a personal sandbox or page. ShounenSuki's translation pages, my elemental recomposition table, it's pretty much the same, but done in our user namespaces. They're completely separate articles. Basically, we'd do what we did to jinchūriki transformations to a much bigger part of the article, and then add a fancy template with links to it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:25, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
::Why do we need tabs? We already have a TOC for easy navigation and if you think size is a problem, you can make sections collapsible.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:29, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
:::I still prefer tabs. Anyone else? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 05:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
::::Not too sure what I think about this, not a fan of the whole tabber because from an editor's point of view, it's a lot more to manage but conversely, it's supposed to help persons who take longer to load pages right? At the same time, it is really that hampering that it requires this? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:34, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::No, it isn't that hampering. I can load the entire [[Naruto]] page within a minute even from a very slow connection from my mobile. And thats the reason why collapsibles exist in the first place.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 06:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::A tabbed article using the <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> code would actually be a good idea imo. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
<small>(Reset indent) </small>Using <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> won't do any good. The page would have to load fully and then it would be converted into tabs. It would only disturb the flow and format of the article and defeat the purpose of TOC.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:01, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Naruto has Gyuki's chakra? ==
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Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
It has recently come to my attention that in chapter 496, when Gyuki tried to pull Kurama's chakra from it, the fox sliced off Gyuki's tentacles and absorbed back not only its chakra, but some of Gyuki's as well. Even in the shippuden episode 245 had displayed that. Does that mean Naruto already has Gyuki's chakra? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 10:08, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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: For once I agree with Elve. ''How'' Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as ''how'' he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
:I've always considered that he had. If it's not mentioned in the article, it's probably to play it on the safe side. Also, avoid links. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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::So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he ''literally'' has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
You are forgetting that Gyuki was present during the fist bumping party as well, it didn't require Kishi to draw a panel of it telling Naruto it's name since he knows already. He has chakra of 8 tailed beasts, Shukaku's is missing, unless he managed to absorb some of it's chakra during the forehead incident with Gaara in Part I. ;D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:22, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== Boil Release? ==
:We have seen Naruto and B fist bump and stuff, but Gyuki didn't give him the chakra personally through a fist bump, he might have already gotten it by accident as I mentioned it from above (there were other tentacles lying about in Naruto's subconscious in chapter 497 and Kurama might have absorbed them after the fight in chapter 499). Plus, Naruto hasn't even said Gyuki's name, only its nickname "Hattsuan" in chapter 598 page 6 (its real name only appeared within Kurama's flashbacks of the Sage of the Six Paths), so we STILL don't know if he already knows. Naruto didn't recieve Shukaku's chakra nor did it give some to him willingly; besides it still hasn't come to terms with Naruto like the other tailed beasts had yet. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 23:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Tools ==
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I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
OK first off he never owned Chakra blades. Asuma lent him his once so that shouldn't be their. and second when did he ever use a sword? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
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:I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
He trained using one. But you may be refering to the one that He used in the 4th Shippūden Movie. Though I can't remember when He wielded a sword at the moment.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a [[Talk:Matchless Superhuman Strength|discussion]] already --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
I've never seen the 4th movie so I'll have to take your word for it. but what about the chakra blades? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 18:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
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I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
: What do mean "what about the Chakra Blades"? I just said He used Asuma's for training a little in the Manga, and for like 3 episodes in the Anime. He used them enough and (eventually) showed enough skill with them, for Him to be list as a user of them. In the 4th Shippūden Movie He also used a special type of Chakra Blade, which He also showed skill with. I dunno when He used a Sword.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 20:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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:They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, like I said I've never seen the fourth movie. I thought you were just talking about the sword. ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
 
::There's an archived discussion about that somewhere, don't recall if in the tool, character or episode. I don't recall the reasoning behind it, but it was obviously decided not to list him. If I had to guess, maybe something about the way he used it. We don't list B as a Kubikiribocho because of something like that as well. And we waited until Kakashi had actually used to sword to list him as well. It's not just a you touched it, you wielded it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:05, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
You sure Omni sensei? So why is Gaara listed as a user of [[Johyo]] ???--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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==Yang Seal==
:That's only a guess, I remember the discussion, not the details of it. And anyway, as a user pointed out in an edit summary, Naruto used the blades in an OVA, so that counts as anime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? {{Unsigned|Officialkamuiblade}}
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:Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm talking about the sword, I'm okay with blades. Just realized it's game only and as we know erroneously showing up in his infobox while it shouldn't I guess.
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Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- [[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]]
Thought he held one in anime/ova for a second and as a response to ur "holding =/= using" I wrote the above and questioned Gaara's usage of that rope since he only demonstrated it, never attacked anyone (I think) and that brings another topic, should Gaara be listed as a user of [[Johyo]] at all? It looked more like gymnastics to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:00, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: If he had the skill to instruct someone on it's use and demonstrate, he should be listed. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 16:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
::Gaara shouldn't be listed as a Johyo user, he's listed as such? Great, now I have to periodically click "expand" in the tool use section of infoboxes to see if someone is a user of something they shouldn't be. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
So if I hold a sword and swing without managing to cut myself in the process, does that make me a Kenjutsu specialist? They are ninja, fast reflexes and precise movements, what he did could be done with laces if he wanted or a jump rope
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==Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage Technique==
EDIT: @Omni, glad u agree--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:21, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::^Yeah, I need a source for that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Chakra Flow ==
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I did then, now I know.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:And for that knowledge I need a source. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Says who? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't Chakra Flow be counted as a Jutsu? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
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The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
No. Just like how Shape Transformation and Genjutsu aren't Jutsu, neither is Chakra Flow. It is a type of Jutsu.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:33, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Naruto's list of Ninja feats ==
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== New title ==
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He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --[[User:Youngjusticeplayer007|Youngjusticeplayer007]] ([[User talk:Youngjusticeplayer007|talk]]) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
1.Naruto first master Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin-Level Jutsu, the closest thing to that was Sasuke's Chunin-Level Fireball Jutsu.
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== Stockholm Syndrome ==
2.He nexted defeated Haku of the Mist who was probably an ANBU-Level Shinobi.
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Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
3.He qualified for the Chunin Exam one semester after his Academy Graduation.
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:I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
4.Naruto also managed to defeat one of Orochimaru's giant snakes with his bare hands.
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::Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
5.He defeated Kiba, a taijutsu base oppenent, with taijutsu, despite the fact his chakra was sealed by the Five Prong Seal on his Eight Sign Seal. He summoned Gamabunta a Kage-Level summon.
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:::Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
6.He master the Water Walking Skill in less than an hour.
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::::Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
7.He defeated Neji Hyuga who was considered a genius by Hyuga standards.
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:::::I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
8.He defeated Gaara who was easily Jonin-Level and a full-powered Jinchuriki.
 
9.He held his own against Kimimaro who was Orochimaru's strongest agent
 
10.he defeated Kabuto Yakushi. 11?.He managed to cause an injury to Jiraiya which was almost fatel, one of two Jiraiya has ever had. 12.He managed to defeat Itachi Uchiha's Shapeshifting Clone.
 
13.He nearly knocked out Deidara of Akatsuki.
 
14.He almost beat Orochimaru.
 
15.He master Wind Release in less than two weeks, and completed a S-Rank Kinjutsu during that time.
 
16.He killed Kakuzu of Akatsuki twice over and paralyzed him.
 
17.He trained and master Sage Mode in a fraction of the time it took Jiraiya and mastered it better than he did.
 
18.He defeated Pain of Akatsuki, with some help, a shinobi who destroyed the Leaf Village.
 
19.He master the Nine-Tails and single-handedly saved the Allied Shinobi Forces from defeat and he managed to defeat the Third Raikage using only a Shadow Clone. 20.He also outpaced Ay making him the fastest shinobi alive.
 
21.He defeated Six Reanimated Jinchuriki with the Tailed Beasts by himself as well as managed to de-mask Tobi. He also managed to hold his own against Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha.
 
   
Overall Naruto is far more accomplished than any of the Konoha 11 to the point where there is just no comparison and he could probably defeat them all by himself. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
This is not a forum board.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:12, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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::Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, forgot, take it off if you want. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 04:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
We should update the stats of the characters. Like Naruto, surely he has improved! Others too!
 
 
22:37, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Nope because we only ever update the stats when the databooks come out, the databooks are officially written by masashi kishimoto and he's the one who writes extra Info about characters and thats why we sometimes add references on pages, so I know this Isn't a forum and that you were only suggesting yes Naruto has Improved but we don't update them until the next databook Is released --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 22:41, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Naruto's KCM Body Flicker ==
 
 
I think it should be probably stated on Naruto's article that he did in fact use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, and here's why.
 
 
We all know that the Body Flicker Technique is a high speed movement technique, in which a ninja uses their '''chakra''' to increase their speed to phenomenal levels, so with Naruto being Nine-Tails '''Chakra''' Mode, a mode that uses the Nine-Tails' '''chakra''', it would make perfect sense as to why he gains an increase in speed because it would have to be from Body Flicker.
 
 
Another example is Naruto's fight with the Fourth Raikage. Think about it, in the beginning if he couldn't even get past The Fourth Raikage's Lv.1 speed, then how was Naruto able to completely dodge the Raikage's Lv.2 speed punch a few moments later?
 
 
He had to have used the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yes, cause you just said the obvious, if it isn't stated then I just don't know why. Chakra Mode just increases the effectiveness of his body flicker, the cloak by itself gives him a speed boost but an ordinary one. All high-speed movements in the series are a result of body flicker, except stated otherwise, an other technique that does this would be eight gates.
 
It works for A the same, he has to use body flicker along with lightning release armor to achieve full speed, without the former, his attacks can be dodged like Sasuke did for example at close range--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:31, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well in that case, it should properly stated on Naruto's article that he can use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:36, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That's like stating what color grass is. He can do it outside of the modes as well, bf is a generic technique almost everyone in the series knows. It should be only stated that he used it in those yellow flash/speed of light instances to make it clear--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:42, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Since when has Naruto moved at amazing speeds in his base form? According to the recent databooks, his base form speed is a 3.5, that's like around Tsunade's speed and we all know that she's really slow.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The stats show natural abilities/prowess, not taking into consideration techniques. Sakura has "only" 3 in strength and can shatter ground. And Naruto used body flicker many times, like kicking Gaara into the face or intervening with Sasuke's "kill the most useless character with a kunai" attempt--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:47, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Perhaps it is Body Flicker or perhaps it is Flying Thunder God Technique, the point is, we don't know at this stage... I remember that there was at one stage a big debate whether Naruto knows FTGT, but according to the users that took part in the debate, that has been proven false. However, I do think a new jutsu page must be created for Naruto's enhanced Chakra Mode speed, perhaps called "Nine Tails Enhanced Speed" or "Chakra Mode Enhanced Speed" or something along that line. Look at other jutsus that wasn't named in the manga or anime like [[Negative Emotions Sensing]], [[Tailed Beast Telepathy]] or [[Twin Rasenshuriken]]. There are more, but I'm just giving some examples. I don't think Naruto's high speed is either BF or FTGT, but probably a new classifation under Tailed Beast skill. His speed was just as great as FTGT, so it probably deserves it's own justu page (like other unnamed justu pages), that is just how I feel. After all, even Shisui Uchiha's article got special treatment, because he had mastered BF better then any other ninja. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 10:05, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Jesus... Naruto doesn't know Hirashin, that's a space-time technique, Naruto doesn't teleport just move fast. And what he does is body flicker, just because with Kurama chakra it's faster doesn't mean it deserves it's own article, because with that logic we would also have to do "chakra mode: rasengan" "chakra mode: shadow clone technique" and for every ****--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:28, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Wow, OK first of Elveonora, I have to ask: what is your problem with me? First you took me on about the Tailed Beast Mode Naruto colour image I uploaded, because, and I quote you "Cause it's not an official image" (go read my talk page) which has later been deducted as false, cause it is in fact official. Another example was when I left a message on Cerez's talk page "Little request!!" I felt like your comment was mocking, but I let it slide for my sake. But now your crude language towards me. It feels like your undermining me and I don't like it. I have done nothing towards you that justifies your attitude towards me. Secondly, I NEVER said Naruto knows FTGT. I said there was a debate, but I never said he knew it. Please read my statements before you go and saying stuff like "Jesus" to me!! I am not stupid... I feel if every unnamed technique gets it's own page, then why does this particular technique not? [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 17:19, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Lol, I don't care about you whatsoever in a negative but nor a positive way, just chill, you just are and I exist too, no feelings. Don't take the way I talk as personal, that's just my style. Sorry about the image, that's long concluded from the moment it was clarified as official. Also debates "what if, maybe" belong to a forum, because we KNOW it wasn't a Hirashin, thus pointless to even be hypothetical. If you aren't stupid, then you might have missed the answer to that one, because body flicker is still body flicker (and already has an article) there is no "this particular technique"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
No hard feelings then... But I still don't quite agree with it just being a normal Body Flicker. Shisui got special treatment in regards to Body Flicker. Naruto beat Ay's [[Lightning Straight]] with, I feel, an advanced Nine Tails enchanced BF, as did his father with Hirashin (again, I am not saying that Naruto used Hirashin). And with all due respect said, as I said in my above argument, I have seen some jutsus on this wiki that I never had any idea was even a jutsu, and that they have even been named by the admins (you know those jutsus that display in ''italic'' on a character's jutsu page). All I'm saying is, if they get a page, why isn't something that is faster than Ay's Lightning Straight, being left in the dark? And I hear what you are saying, just hear my argument out too... [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 16:03, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
For all we know, Shisui used an ordinary body flicker, it was simply likely his signature ability just like shadow clones are for Naruto, that's why the "special" treatment, as he was known for it and it was a part of his fighting style--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:10, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Melded Chakra ==
 
 
Should we refer to the chakra used during Tailed Beast mode as a combination of Naruto and Kurama's chakra? Because that's what it is, right? So Naruto is giving not only Kurama's chakra during the Chakra Transfer Technique, but also his own.{{unsigned|65.188.41.37}}
 
 
No, there's no reason for him to give off his own chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well that is true, but that is what he is doing anyway, isn't it? It definitely seems that way in the diagram that was shown when Kurama was explaining the process. His chakara is melded with Naruto's and Naruto shares that melded chakara. Especially since (well I'm naturally assuming) their chakara shrouds are orange, it must be the melded chakara. After all, when a few characters sense Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode Chakara, those being Orochimaru, Sasuke, that Cloud Ninja, and Minato, they say that Naruto's chakara is apart of it. I think Naruto is sharing the melded chakara.
 
 
Well, I can also see reason to leave it the way it is. Both things are said by several characters. So I guess it could be left alone...{{unsigned|65.188.41.37}}
 
 
That's not what the diagram was showing. All he does is changes Kurama chakra's signature into his own and then into other people's when he transfers that. Meaning that it's like if they were using their own, but with power of the fox.
 
In TBM it's melded chakra, but not Naruto's own, but the extracted QB chakra turned Narutoish with original QB chakra, there's absolutely no reason for why he would waste his very own since he can cheat it this way. He would run out of chakra in no time the way you suggest. Also please, sign your comments, I won't do it for you again --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Hmm, you seem to know so I will take your word for it. But what is TBB? And QB (Kyuubi?)? [[Special:Contributions/65.188.41.37|65.188.41.37]] ([[User talk:65.188.41.37|talk]]) 18:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
My bad, TBR = tailed beast mode, and yes, QB stands for kyubi--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:43, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
NO
 
they specifically say that when naruto goes into his nine tailed cloak his own chakra is shelved temporarily which was a weakness because kurama could slowly but surely consume naruto's chakra the way naruto did when he took control over kurama's which would mean naruto would die {{unsigned|Actionmanrandell}}
 
 
==Benchmarks Should Be updated==
 
Naruto skill has improved a lot and cannot be in the sorry state of 26. His taijutsu is quite good able to knock down anyone who stands in his path in one hit. His genjutsu is acceptable but should be increased as now he wont be affected by it due to his and kurama's "friendship". His speed benchmark is what is wrong. His speed is at extreme levels and cannot be put up with. His intelligence in concepts and stuff are not quite good but his intelligence in diversion and tactics using his shadow clones is impressive.
 
 
Theses benchmarks need to be updated. {{unsigned|58.146.115.94}}
 
 
Then convince Kishimoto to publish another databook. Databooks stats come from databooks, we don't make those up. Seriously, how can people not know that? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:03, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Genin-Level Shinobi? ==
 
 
Should we still say 'genin-level shinobi'? He is a genin, but definitely not genin level.
 
 
Yes, because he officially is still Genin-leveled, even though he has far surpassed normal ninja.
 
Gugi 08:40, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
How about genin-ranked then? Since it explains that he is genin rank, not genin ninja level? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 08:49, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, what I said was wrong, what I meant to say was ranked not level. But he still is genin rank. In terms of level, he is far superior to most, probably all genin.
 
Gugi 09:08, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
His rank is irrelevant tho, few consider him a Genin any longer, his Chunin and even Jonin friends admit him to be stronger, villagers call him Hokage material and he is not only allowed to partake in a world war, but also is an important figure without which it wouldn't be possible to win at all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:57, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:It says genin-level because that's how the wikia decided to write it instead of saying people were genn-ranked. Semantics and bravado won't change the fact that on paper he's a genin.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:58, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yet at least in anime, Shikamaru refers to Sound Four as "Jounin level" referring to their skill/power rather than rank, so perhaps we should adapt to that and rather use "genin ranked"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:44, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== possible birthday ==
 
 
Since I'm yet to see Road to Ninja subbed, can anyone confirm/deny if it was/wasn't a birthday celebration that he had there? The cake, stuff and all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:03, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
i am assuming that it was his birthday why else would he have a cake..
 
 
[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 02:11, June 8, 2013 (UTC)actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 02:11, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== received chakra from... excluding octopus ==
 
 
If I remember well, during the fist bumping party, Shukaku wasn't present. Did Kishi add Shukaku there in tankoobon or something? I don't know why you changed back my edit Cerez, stating he got chakras from 7 beasts besides Kurama is true, Shukaku included and Gyuuki excluded might be an error--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No change in the volume release. Naruto having Shukaku's chakra is very plot-holey if it's not properly explained in future chapters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:52, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: It might be a huge oversight. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 03:27, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Synchronise with Kurama==
 
From the article: "Kurama noted that Naruto was the only person who could completely synchronise with its chakra, due to his Uzumaki lineage as well as being a jinchūriki since childhood". The manga translation I'm reading says kushina's blood. I interpret that as meaning since his mother was the jinchūriki during her pregnancy and since naruto has been a jinchūriki from birth. I think that unless someone comes up with a translation of page chapter 617, page 7 that says "bloodline" it should be changed. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 02:42, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Can be interpreted both ways, Uzumaki were chosen to serve and hosts for foxie cause of their qualities--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Mito wasn't chosen from what is said, she sealed it within herself to help her husband. And Kushina was selected for her special chakra chains that can bind the nine tails, not sync with it. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 17:50, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Then it's the other, he was exposed to Kurama's chakra even before birth, making his body accustomed to it. But it's likely both, I remember Yamato stating the reason Naruto can endure it is cause his own chakra is strong--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:38, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think "Kushina's blood" and "Uzumaki lineage" mean the same thing and the reason Kurama was referring to was because the Uzumaki are descendants of the Sage of Six Paths. [[User:Loki29|Loki29]] ([[User talk:Loki29|talk]]) 23:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Naruto isn't the last uzumaki. the only difference between him and others are his mother was a host as well. Also the senju and uchiha are descendants as well. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 23:17, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Justu list ==
 
 
It seems that naruto's justu list has shuriken a bit, maybe fix it? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 04:08, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Remote Tailed chakra cloak ==
 
How about we create a page for a supplementary move called Remote Tailed chakra cloak, a ability that allow to transfer his chakra to others, therby giving them a boost in the abilities, or something like that if we don't already have one. Tell me what you think. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:27, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think your knowledge of current discussions is outdated. There's already such an article, and it's currently being discussed whether it stays or goes. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:46, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Maybe add that RCCM can also enhance the abilities of the wearers? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:38, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I think he is suggesting to create two articles for it, one for Naruto manipulating the cloaks, the other for him sharing the cloaks... So you still would like it gone Omni as would I? SuperSaiyan has a bad habit of exaggerating things. It hasn't been referenced as a new technique, it's not named, there wasn't time for him to develop it, thus it's just chakra transfer + chakra arms, I don't think it deserves an article... but I don't want to be the bad one since again, there are more pointless and even likely false articles sticking around just like [[Body Flame Technique]] and [[Attack Prevention Technique]]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:15, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Will someone put chakra transfer technique back up? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It's there, what are you talking about...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
on the just list [[Special:Contributions/161.38.221.188|161.38.221.188]] ([[User talk:161.38.221.188|talk]]) 22:06, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Headline quotes ==
 
 
Maybe we should think about putting up headline quotes for characters on top of their pages, like put up their signature quotes. What do you think? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 05:14, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
In theory, I don't oppose such a suggestion, but I can anticipate lots of discussions over which quote should be used as main. Besides, the series is still on-going, so even if we do pick one, every week another one could become available. Every week there can be a change to the character which would make any given quote to cease being representative of a character. So, in practice, I oppose. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:02, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== blasphemy ==
 
 
So even after latest chapter, we sure Naruto isn't a sensor? He didn't appear surprised at all seeing Minato, like he was knowing all along. Also some ignored (despite anime not being truly canon, but should be referenced nevertheless) that Naruto stated he could sense CHAKRA in that sound four filler, and he wasn't even in Sage Mode? I mean, lots of sensors are case of something like elemental affinity is, they are born more sensitive just like some are born with a talent for a nature. Nowhere it says a person can't train to become a sensor over time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:43, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Bump--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:06, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Still not keen on saying Naruto is a sensor out of Sage Mode. His lack of surprise could be from recognising the kunai the split second before Minato appeared, or just plain old expecting crazy stuff to happen. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:34, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I don't know, his comment: "you are just in time/right on time" obviously points to that he knew he was coming. He didn't even appear surprised his father is walking there and is a zombie, on top of that we can't simply ignore that anime have already made him a sensor outside of sage mode--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::How do we know he's just not dumb enough to have something like that not surprise him? Sometimes excitement can transcend shock, still it's odd, maybe he sensed him a long time ago.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Maybe he sensed him while still in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode around the same time Madara sensed Hashirama. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 19:46, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::But chakra mode doesn't help him sense chakra, sage mode does--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:54, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Maybe Kurama told him that the half of his chakra is headed towards them? Who knows, we should wait until next week, maybe Minato asks him himself something like "You don't look surprised to see me" or something like that.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 19:56, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I actually had a friend talk to me about this. He's not a sensor, Elve. Look at the chapter again. That massive [[Tailed Beast Ball]] suddenly [[Space-Time Barrier Technique|vanishes]], causing Naruto and several other shinobi to express shock. Then, the next page, Minato appears. Naruto is the only one that would've know that was Minato's technique, as Kushina told him how Minato blocked the Nine-Tails' own Tailed Beast Ball with the same move, hence, he already knew it was his father before he actually appeared. No sensing going on here. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I'm talking about his lack of surprise and his comment suggests he expected that to happen, so does his expression. But well, we better wait for the next chapter.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:05, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: And I'm saying he already showed his surprise when the Ball vanished. But, when your dad does something you know only he can do, it kinda makes the surprise go away quickly. Naruto already knew that his dad could be the only person capable of such a feat, so his shock turned into excitement. As for the comment, Naruto has been making off-the-cuff statements like that since Chapter 1. He was just happy to see Minato. It would be best not to fuel speculation by examining his ever twitch as meaning something, like being able to sense chakra, all of a sudden, outside of Sage Mode. I doubt next week will shed anymore light on it, because I doubt Kishimoto really wants to spend time explaining Naruto's one statement, which has little, if no significance at all, when he has a plot to advance. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:10, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Unless we explicitly notice him detecting people outside of either of his modes, then no, he's not a sensor. Though, that being said, what constitutes being a sensor? He can keep up modes for long, extended periods of time and while limited to the forms, it is not limited in the form. All he would have to do is use any form to try and sense, which is really no different from anyone else trying to use their ability in sensing. As far as knowing what happened, I don't believe he did because we have no way of knowing. --[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 20:12, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:That's the point. Tobirama doesn't sense 24/7 too, he has to use a technique/concentrate chakra in order to do so, that isn't any different from Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:35, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, at least we know he knew they were all coming. So that part was proved right, Elv, lol. Though I'm still with you on the sensor part, and that he is one, if you compare how and why others are sensors, what it means to be one, etc. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 13:54, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Latest chapter confirmed he can sense with Kurama's chakra, before it was known only he could sense negative emotions, so dunno since when it's like this... at least it's true, has it been added already ?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:04, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::That depends if the powers that be decide to step away from the "Must be this tall to ride" argument. And by that I mean must be sensing chakra 24/7, which it shouldn't be like that at all. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 14:07, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
This is actually easily explainable: Kurama's Yin chakra. Remember, Naruto was able to detect Kin and Gin's Kyubi chakra, even from within the Island Turtle's [[Chakra Isolation Chamber]]. Given Minato has Kurama's Yin chakra, it's not wonder he said that he sensed Minato earlier while in the Tailed Beast Mode. As for Hokage 1-3, he probably just detected their [[Killing Intent]] from far away because of his negative emotions sensing. Viola? :-D [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:05, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:"Genius meme" most likely he sensed Orochimaru's malice in the Edos or something, kinda like Kimimaro could tell Oro's chakra controlling him--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:14, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Naruto said he sensed chakra, so he sensed CHAKRA. I don't see what the big deal is about acknowledging that. The way I see it, his ability is not to sense purely negative emotions, but that his ability to sense chakra is so strong that he feels the emotions within it, like a powered up version of Karin's ability. And this isn't the first time he's said that he sensed chakra in kcm. He said it at least two other times in the manga, and a multitude of times in the anime. This info should have been in the negative emotions sensing article a WHILE ago. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 05:50, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
::So please someone updated that accordingly--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:24, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
And this was also the first time it was stated Naruto could sense something other than negative emotions and Kurama's own chakra while in NCM. What you were arguing for is akin to arguing for Dust Release to be listed as a three nature combination prior to the revelation of kekkei tōta. Anyway isn't the article updated already? I could have sworn I read something like that yesterday. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:45, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Not really, he already was stated to be a sensor while in KCM by anime team, that's why I brought it up before. Anime isn't the source of what's canon and what isn't, but its "facts" shouldn't go ignored as long as it doesn't contradict manga. Also while KCM, he could sense Kurama's chakra at least, that alone is chakra sensing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:50, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::His Tailed Beast Mode sensory abilities has been mentioned.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:14, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::It's possible that Kurama is a sensor since it can feel chakra, so while he is in mode/s, he gains this power--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:20, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Again, I'm against. Naruto only mentions feeling Minato's chakra, which can be explained per my last post.us He doesn't mention feeling the chakra of the other Hokage, he merely says "The others are coming", which is again explicable via negative emotions detection (and if anyone was giving that off in spades, it'd Tobirama). If Naruto was a sensor in TBM, there'd have been no need for him to use Sage Mode to fiddle that chakra receivers in the Tailed Beasts, or to gauge the Jubi's chakra (which was Kurama's suggestion, mind you). TL;DR The evidence against TBM chakra-sensing outweighs thee circumspect and explicable evidence for it.us Thoughts? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 06:23, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Naruto must of knew Minato was coming maybe because of Kurama telling him that Its Minato for sure who coming, as Kurama Is probably a sensor all the tailed beats are I think, so lets stop arguing --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 06:46, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Madara?? ==
 
 
"Shocked by the depths of his hatred, Kakashi resolved to kill Sasuke, but was stopped by Naruto, who instead fought Sasuke head-on; matching his Rasengan with the latter's Chidori. Both survived the clash, with Madara and Zetsu coming to Sasuke's aid. "
 
 
I hope the admin edit such mistake immediately - since there are no permission for regular members to edit this. The one in the five kage summit arc was Tobi/Obito instead of the real Madara [[User:Edbertp|Edbertp]] ([[User talk:Edbertp|talk]]) 05:41, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Obito was going by Madara at that point, so that's why he is called Madara in the article.[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 06:57, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Would it be okay if we mentions how Madara calle dNaruto the heart of the ninja alliance in the page? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:01, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Character's main pic==
 
As we can see, Naruto's pic is on his young form, Isn't better to add another tab that is written on it "Older form" and put a picture of him in his older form. If so then we have to apply this in other character's pages that has Young/Older Form. Also a Manga form if it is needed. -- [[User:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10]] ([[User_Talk:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|talk]]) 21:54, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Refer to image policy. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:22, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Ah! okay, Now I know, Thanks for the answer. --[[User:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10]] ([[User_Talk:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|talk]]) 10:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Infobox Tabber==
 
I Recently Tabbed The Infobox To Include Both Pre-skip And Post-Skip Naruto. Someone Undid This. Can Someone Tell Me Why?
 
[[User:2myname1|2myname1]] ([[User talk:2myname1|talk]]) 01:25, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Character infoboxes only have 1 image, and it's their appearance when they first appeared in the series, unless its a difference between anime and manga. The only exception to this is Tobi, which ''shouldn't'' be the exception but a lot of people would have anal fits if one of those images are removed.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:57, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Classification ==
 
Shouldn't Naruto be classed as a pseudo Jinchuuriki, if his father Minato is considered one? Minato has Half, Naruto has half. Same distribution (by the same method) of Kurama's Chakra.--{{unsigned|79.129.119.11}}~Dean
 
:No. Naruto has the actual beast sealed inside him so he's a jinchūriki. Minato has the beast's chakra, but not its physical body.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:12, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Anime VS Manga==
 
To much is mixed between the anime and manga, seeming to go past the present time of the anime so why not fix the article to better differate the difference?
 
[[User:Boredfan1|Boredfan1]] ([[User talk:Boredfan1|talk]]) 06:43, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:We list events chronologically. When it changes to anime stuff, it is mentioned. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:39, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
I have read through the whole thing before, there is little to differate the two and I'm pretty sure the manga goes past the current time in the anime but not everyone reads the manga so it's difficult to tell even with the occasional things that tells the difference.
 
[[User:Boredfan1|Boredfan1]] ([[User talk:Boredfan1|talk]]) 20:11, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Earth Style==
 
I have see Naruto come out of the earth against Neji and anime arcs. Is it possible Naruto could use Earth Style?{{unsigned|Platinumninja}}
 
:What he used against Neji during the chunin exam was just digging with his own hands, no technique involving chakra. Which anime arcs are you referring to? Also, remember to sign your posts. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 04:43, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
Some of the pre shippuden anime only arcs[[User:Platinumninja|Platinumninja]] | [[User talk:Platinumninja|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Platinumninja|Contributions]]
 
:Not hint at all? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 07:28, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Before or after Timeskip==
 
I have a question about the character image. Should it be changed to after timeskip? And for future reference, the policy in character images:
 
''In the infobox: If there is a discrepancy between the manga image and anime image, then both a manga image and an anime image should be used. Otherwise an anime image alone suffices.
 
Appearance Section: The primary image should be near flawless and show as much of the character in colour as possible, and if possible the image should be from the manga as it is the closest to the original concept of the author.''
 
It says nothing of timeskips, so this isn't a matter of policy. Besides, the current image does not "show as much of the character in colour as possible" so it should be changed anyways.[[User:2myname1|2myname1]] ([[User talk:2myname1|talk]]) 05:22, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:[[Narutopedia:Image policy#Placement in articles|Second paragraph]]. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 06:30, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== One hand rasengan ? ==
 
 
i am not sure but this looked like a one hand rasengan right ? if so it show some improvement toward that technique concerning Naruto .. just want you all idea on that--[[User:Tchad1|Tchad1]] ([[User talk:Tchad1|talk]]) 11:15, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
: That's what it certainly looked like to me. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 11:16, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
: Maybe he used a clone but we didnt see it?--[[User:Salamancc|Salamancc]] ([[User talk:Salamancc|talk]]) 11:25, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: He holds up a Rasengan with one hand. So what? We did not see him creating it with one hand, so there's no way to say if he improved. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:39, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::: We see him in all previuos panels and he's just standing there gathering natural energy and then suddenly holds up a Rasengan, which he has not been seen doing outside of KCM, without a clone. Kishi's been drawing this manga for long enough not to forget a clone. That was intentional. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 12:43, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I'm with fox on this one. A clone would have definitely been drawn if it were there--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:49, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::There's another instance where this might have happened. Gamabunta's mouth against Animal Path during Invasion of Pain. Naruto was in Sage Mode, and he couldn't make more clones without disrupting the ones at Myobokuzan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:57, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::: He did create clones, Omni. He could create up to three without disrupting the clones at Myobokuzan, remember? That's how he preformed Rasenshuriken. Formed three, made Rasenshuriken, Sage Mode went poof, then summoned a clone from Myobokuzan. This time, he didn't even create one clone. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:36, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::::And they were all outside of Gamabunta's mouth. Only Naruto or one of his clones was in there. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:52, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
Well, regardless, we saw him form Rasengan back then with the Sage Mode activated, using clones. I've been just flipping through those chapters (have the takōban) and, you're right about that, but its the singular instance of that... until now. In fact, just a scene or two before the one you mention, he uses two Rasengan with the aid of clones, so I'm sure he used the clone in that case too, we just never saw it because in one panel, its pitch black, and the next, he's attacking. Here, we can literally follow it from one panel to the next and no clone was formed, there was no poof, nothing to obscure our vision of a would-be clone. We just see Naruto mediating, then raise his hand with a Rasengan. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:04, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Naruto's birthday ==
 
 
I seem to remember one of the Naruto games said the year of Naruto's birthday is 1992. Should we add that? [[User:Kirothereaper|Kirothereaper]] ([[User talk:Kirothereaper|talk]]) 03:11, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Which game? I don't remember there being specific dates for birthdays, especially not like that since the timeline isn't the same as ours. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 03:13, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2 game [[User:Kirothereaper|Kirothereaper]] ([[User talk:Kirothereaper|talk]]) 03:22, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== How old is Naruto? ==
 
The latest Chapter 643 states that the Naruto World is currently on the night before Naruto's birthday, which is October 9th. Doing the math, Naruto's age right now should be 16 years and a few months. Or was he never 15 in the first place? Should we make Naruto's age 15-17 now?{{unsigned|Kadio123}}
 
:We're not changing his age. The manga says that, in-universe, his birthday is the next day (tomorrow). He's only 16 right now. Everything stays the same until it changes days in the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:40, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Trivia Cleanup ==
 
I took a look at the trivia section and some of the points don't have much relevance to the wiki. I mean, this is the Naruto wiki, why are we making trivia notes about some holiday in Japan that just so happened to occur on the same date of Naruto's birthday or that the author of One Piece originally was going to name his protagonist character Naruto but changed the name ? Unless I'm mistaken, the trivia area is to refer to important points about the character '''and its relation to the series as a whole''' (so things like "In episode X, the technique was incorrectly depicted as Y but was later corrected in episode Z" would be trivia notes). Discuss. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:30, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think the trivia section does need relevant stuff but we could create like some interesting facts section that we could add on pages that involve some fun trivial sort of stuff about that character like the onepiece author naming his character naruto and bla bla we could do that for other characters too but we could put it under trivia but like fun trivial facts anyway back to your point Speysider-san I totally agree with you but I wouldn't like to see some of the trivia stuff there be deleted maybe we could keep them for something like I mentioned in my first sentence --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 17:38, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Fire Release Nature Type Edit

I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with Gamabunta. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. Banan14kab 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--Elveonora (talk) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

So can anyone actually answer my questions...? Banan14kab 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

  • He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--Elveonora (talk) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--Elveonora (talk) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan technique. So yea...it's what Naruto does with the chakra the beasts provided him. Banan14kab 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
At first I was asking. Now I am telling. Enough. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. Now.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just chill?--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release techniqueActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
If you're referring to the 'Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. Atrix471 (talk) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yin-Yang Release Edit

I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release. So we got two options

   1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
   2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )

Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .—This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--Elveonora (talk) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I've just edited them right now —This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Actual age Edit

Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--Elveonora (talk) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Flight Technique Edit

How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--Solidedub (talk) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something HellHawkX (talk) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
It's there, just click on "jutsu"--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? HellHawkX (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Nope, not here either. Atrix471 (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Consider performing null edits on both this page and Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sensor Type Edit

For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? Banan14kab 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. Banan14kab 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--Elveonora (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

For once I agree with Elve. How Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as how he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--Elveonora (talk) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he literally has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --Atrix471 (talk) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--Elveonora (talk) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--Elveonora (talk) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--BeyondRed (talk) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Boil Release? Edit

I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--Reliops (talk) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--Reliops (talk) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a discussion already --Atrix471 (talk) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--Elveonora (talk) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yang SealEdit

Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? —This unsigned comment was made by Officialkamuiblade (talkcontribs) .

Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --Atrix471 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- Officialkamuiblade

It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--Elveonora (talk) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --Atrix471 (talk) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage TechniqueEdit

On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? Rage gtx (talk) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
^Yeah, I need a source for that. • Seelentau 愛 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--Elveonora (talk) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--Soul reaper (talk) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--Elveonora (talk) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • Seelentau 愛 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--Elveonora (talk) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • Seelentau 愛 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I did then, now I know.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

And for that knowledge I need a source. • Seelentau 愛 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--Elveonora (talk) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Says who? • Seelentau 愛 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--Elveonora (talk) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--Elveonora (talk) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--Narutofox94 (talk) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


New title Edit

He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Stockholm Syndrome Edit

Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? Rage gtx (talk) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--Elveonora (talk) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--Elveonora (talk) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--Elveonora (talk) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

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