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== Unknow Jutsu ==
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== Mode ==
What is the Jutsu that Naruto still hasn't completed yet? I know Jiraiya told him not to do it and when he got the Key to the Seal he was told he could complete it now. {{unsigned|74.233.29.63}}
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So, which Mode did he use in 700+4? Right now, I see the article mentioning both Six Paths Sage Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode in different sections. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:47, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:There's no way of knowing for certain, but the lack of eye pigmentation would indicate it was Six Paths Sage Mode, would it not? Even though the magatama and horns are missing, but those have been a part of all of these modes.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 12:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::I'd say it could be Six Paths Sage Mode (with both halves of Kurama) because of black undergarments, no pigmentation near eye, no glowing skin. The design looks like Tailed beast Sage Mode because he lacks Magatama markings. In the Last he used something like tailed beast mode, so this is something different.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No way to know for sure. But he lacked the horns and the Truth-Seeking Balls so I'm going to assume Nine-Tails ChakraMode.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:Aww come on its clearly six paths sage mode, the pigmentation not present already determines it. The magatama not present is not really important in determining the mode cause actually al the modes has it and the horns are not present cause naruto has cropped his hair now.[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 13:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)[[User:BoltUzumakiXD]] (talk) 9:02, May 21, 2015
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::Would lack of TSB be a reliable indicator though? Naruto got fewer and fewer when fighting Madara and Kaguya, and they didn't regenerate. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:07, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I see there's thick markings on his face, no Sage pigmentation, but that doesn't seem to be his [[Six Paths Sage Mode]]. Look at his shoulders, body and his hands in the chapter and compare it to [[:File:Naruto_TailedBeast_Mode.png|this image]]. Looked more like his Tailed Beast Sage Mode. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 13:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:guys come on the no pigmentation was the six paths sage modes first sign. and by the way when did naruto ever enter his TBSM without sage mode pigmentation. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 13:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::@TheUltimate3, How lack of horns is pro Nine-Tails Chakra Mode argument because Naruto had them in this mode too, i think this lack is due his short hair cut. Magatama thing: yes he lacks RM markings on back but same time he lacks KM markings on neck. Now eyes and skin thing: in Last we seen that when Naruto uses KM+SM he has pigmentation and his skin glowing so this speaks against KM+SM mode. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:56, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
It's the tailed beast ball? Right?
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And there was no magatama nor Rinnegan markings on the back either, so it can't be SPSM. Jesus, Kishi. Gonna go do something real quick. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/166.147.89.155|166.147.89.155]] ([[User talk:166.147.89.155|talk]]) 02:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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:There is actually another possibility as well, but it's confusing. According to the databook entry, the mode Naruto entered when he kicked Madara's Truth-Seeking Ball -- which looked just like regular Sage Mode with no pigmentation -- is Six Paths Sage Mode. The chakra cloak that didn't cover his skin is ''not'' Six Paths Sage Mode, it's just something he can do while in Six Paths Sage Mode. We never saw either of his regular chakra cloaks after that point in the manga, so for all we know they were permanently replace by the new chakra cloak, just like the form in The Last replaced them. Based on all of the forms being called "Kurama Link Mode" or some such in Retsu no Sho, it seems like Kishimoto doesn't really distinguish between them the way we do. They're all basically considered the same thing.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 15:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
:It's not the Tailed Beast Ball as Killer Bee tried to teach him that. We currently don't know what it is as it's not named on [[That Technique| this page]]. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 03:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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::Okay. In Retsu no Sho, all of Naruto's modes (save SPSM), whether it be Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, Kurama Link Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, or Tailed Beast Sage Mode, are all classified as "Kurama Chakra Mode" in that book. At least we know he used that. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:15, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:@WindStar, with same reasoning i can say: no magatama on neck, so it can't be "Kurama Chakra Mode". let's call it New Chakra Mode then :D. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::I just realized that Naruto body pattern is most similar to Naruto's Kurama-Asura chakra avatar from second VotE fight. ./[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::@Rage gtx: The movie. Naruto had Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode, with no horns. Pulling straight from the new, it's simply the complete Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode that we saw in the film, just now he has a cloak on that also starts to glow.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::@TheUltimate3, you understand that Naruto can't have horns with short hairs and evens so why horns are indicators of anything? He had them since gaining of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And then again when he uses Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode he has eyelid pigmentation and skin glow ./[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I always assumed the "horns" were made out of chakra, but if they were hair that may actually be the reason. As for his form in The Last, what was it that made everybody (myself included) assume that form was the incomplete "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" rather than the complete "Kurama Mode"? It has the full black circles, the thick lines on his face, the slitted eyes, and he enters it when manifesting Kurama. The only thing it has in common with the first chakra mode is that its design is simpler, but that cold just be a stylistic choice. I haven't seen the movie yet, so was there anything in it that made people believe that?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 16:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:come on guys tell me youre not seriously pointing out that its his normal kurama mode just because hes missing 'horns' and stuff of course its gonna change and Its clearly his SPSM cause just the eyes indicate it already. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 16:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::We don't just add our own speculative opinion to articles, that is really not how it works. Also, fix your signature, since it includes an unnecessary link and a useless date. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Comparing to the image that Windy just showed it, it clearly looks like '''Kurama Mode''' Although we can't say he has glowing skin because the manga is B/W and the lack of pigmentation around his eyes does indicate it is Six Paths Sage Mode but as BeyondRed said we are differentiating it Kishimoto didn't differentiate like how we do, so it could mean that it is just the effect of power that Hagoromo gave so that's why he doesn't have pigmentation, no glowing skin etc. Horn aren't good indicator for differentiating the modes every mode has this, in SPSM it is small in length, last 3 TSB were lost in VOTE2 so no they are also not indicators.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::like i said the mode looks clearly like the SPSM how could it be a kurama chakra mode. When we al know that the only way we can differentiate KCM from SPSM in an uncolored chapter are the eyes and in this case the pigmentations out so obviously its SPSM right. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 17:16, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::It looks like we already came to a compromise, it is reflected in articles and added that it is a mix of several modes. I agree it has Kurama mode designs no denying that (except the magatama and horn portion) but it also has characteristics of SPSM no pigmentation, so it is a mix of SPSM + KM.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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: I still think its just Six Path Sage Mode, the difference from the War is now that Naruto has Kurama's full power behind him, instead of just Yin or Yang. More chakra from that would change the appearance. But it still has the traits of Six Path Sage Mode, no pigmentation around the eyes is a dead give away.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
Pretty sure Jiraiya told him 'not to use that power', i.e Kurama's chakra. About all we know about this unknown technique is that Minato created it, laying the foundation on which Jiraiya and Naruto would further develop it, and that to use it Naruto had to first gain control of Kurama's chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 04:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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No pigmentation can just mean he isn't using Senjutsu chakra. I mean, can you see his eyes well in the chapter?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Yes, they are crossed, just like in Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode lacks pigmentation around the eyes, Elve.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:48, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I know that, I was asking about the cross. Well if it's there, it's Six Paths Sage Mode without a doubt. Also as was stated, Truth Seeking Balls don't regenerate, he has used them up.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:52, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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Then that should settle it then, that its the six paths sage mode. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 00:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Nope. Still undecided. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:48, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::ughhhh. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 00:50, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Also, just type in <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your posts. The rest is not necessary. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::May I ask, where do we get the sense that all of his skin does not glow yellow? It's a black and white manga picture, for crying out loud. Again, look at his hands in the recent chapter and compare it to [[:File:Naruto_TailedBeast_Mode.png|this image]]. His hands do indeed glow in the image, no?
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::::Unfortunately, I foresee us debating this for days. I think it's best to say that he accessed a mode with characteristics of his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, and Six Paths Sage Mode, rather than definitively picking which mode it is and ignoring characteristics of other modes. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 01:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::wait what? [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 01:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::: Windstar, its obviously Six Path Sage Mode. Know why it has more characteristics to the other forms? He has more of Kurama's power than he had when he first obtained it. He's also changed his own appearance since then, he lost the 'horns' due to cutting his hair. The eyes show its Six Path Sage Mode. there's literally no debate.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::And the consensus seems to be that it IS Six Path Sage Mode, not the lower forms.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Usuratonkachi ==
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But the rest of the body shows Kurama Mode, as I've shown with the image. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:01, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Can 'Usuratonkachi' be included in the infobox? Just wondering. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 00:57, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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: Since he has more of Kurama's power than he had before. The full power of Kurama dwarfs the small pieces of the rest of the Tailed Beasts. And as people pointed out before, Six Path Sage Mode is the form that was first used against Madara, the cross eyes.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:Whut's thaaat?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:50, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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::Okay? And his Tailed Beast Sage Mode also has cross eyes. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::: But that has the crucial ''pigmentation'' around the eyes. Tailed Beast Sage Mode has the Sage Mode pigmentation. Six Path Sage Mode lacks the pigmentation even with the chakra cloak.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::This is just going to go around in circles, I suppose. Hm... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: From the looks of his mode, and appearance, He used Kurama beast mode, cause of the patterns on him, and the way he had the form look. If it was Nine tail Chakra mode, it could have looked like Minatos a bit where he had everything yellow. This is Kurama's mode.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::: Dude, the Kurama Tailed Beast Mode is just a normal or slitted pupil. Six Path Sage Mode has the cross pupil without the Sage Mode pigmentation around the eyes.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
He is just trolling... it's what Sasuke used to call Naruto, a useless clumsy idiot/dumbass. I don't think we should list that as his title/nickname lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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::::Let me also point out that Kurama in some Manga translation states that Naruto was finally going to use Kurama's chakra to stretch and cut loose, plus remember, Kishimoto forgets to add details to a lot of things. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:But Sakura and Ino had nicknames like Dekorin (forehead girl) and Ino-buta (Ino-pig) respectively. So why not Naruto? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:53, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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::::: So can we just agree its Six Path Sage Mode now? The traits of the eyes were the dead give away.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: Or this is his new Six Path Sage Mode. What 'forgets details', its clearly Six Path Sage Mode. If there was no cross in the eyes, it would be just Kurama mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Kishimoto can forget to add more details, he done it before. But the mode resembles greatly of Kurama Tailed beast mode. From the patterns and all. It looks nothing like Sage Six path mode, as Naruto didn't have the patterns on the back like that form, he could have used the "normal" Form of the six path mode, where he had no pigmentation., but used Kurama tailed beast mode at the same time.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::ughh so do you mean that just cause a form changes you already imply it as KCM how may times should this be repeated, KCM shows the eye markings and SPSM dosent deal with it. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 02:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::KingLinks, your comparison doesn't work. Looks nothing like Six Path Sage Mode? Six Path Sage Mode is just the eyes. Naruto was in Six Path Sage Mode in chapter 672. The trademark is the cross eyes WITHOUT the Sage Pigmentation around the eyes. This chapter showed the eyes having the cross pattern lacking Sage Pigmentation, the trait of Six Path Sage Mode. Thus, Six Path Sage Mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::I am saying as stated above before, that he could be using KCM with the SPSM Normal form that only involves the eyes, like when he fought Madara before all Yellow.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::And according to the databook, THAT form which he engaged Madara in was Six Path Sage Mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::I am not going against that, I am jsut saying he could be using both at the same time. IS that a problem to agree with? — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
Trying to come up with a good anti-argument... O_O someone help me, I had no idea till now that Sakura and Ino have those things in their infobox--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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Either it's Kurama Mode with Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode, not whatever you're suggesting. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:If that was used more than once, and exclusively to Naruto (unlike, let's say, "scaredy cat", which both Sasuke and Naruto called each other at some point), and if it's properly referenced, fine by me. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
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:And why can't it be both? It looks like it can. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::it cant be both cause what the KCM can do can also be done by SPSM but with greater power[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 02:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::This is going to go on and on and on.... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Windstar, it explicitly can't be Tailed Beast Sage Mode. The pigmentation lacking shows its Six Path Sage Mode utilizing Kurama's power.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:53, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Cool. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Seeing how this will not end, I suppose the only thing to do is to wait for the next time he goes into that form, or Kishimoto tells us what it is. Because I thin kit can be both, due to KCM has more appearance to it than it being SPSM in the chakra cloak.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Look, do what you want, SuperSaiyaMan. You're much more willing to argue than I am, so go ahead. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
== cleanup idea ==
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Um, I never thought I would see this coming, but I completely agree with SuperSaiyanMan now. It's obviously SPSM.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 02:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
It's pointless to have [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki#Jinch.C5.ABriki_Transformations this] when a redirect to [[Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms]] would be more than enough, don't you think? Why to have noted the same thing twice?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:: so what, we just go with KCM just cause he looks like his previous KCM form and just disregard the fact that he lacks the pigmentation which clearly indicates that its SPSM?! come on [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:02, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:Removing it completely won't be right... Maybe we could shorten it more.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Call it SPSM with KCM chakra cloak, cause the cloak looks of it. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
::Yep, shortening. "As a host of Kurama, the Nine-Tails, Naruto benefits from this and that, refer to his jinchuriky transformations article for more information" or something akin to that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Are you guys purposely disregarding what was said? The cloak isn't indicative of SPSM, the eyes are.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 03:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::One line and repetition of the {{tlx|main}}?
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:What I am trying to say, It is SPSM, with KCM chakra cloak.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::It should have atleast a paragraph of '''good quality''', ''maybe'' similar to what is in its Relationships section.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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::*sigh* it cant be like that one cant be joined with the other cause the SPSM is already the greatly enhanced form of KCM it would pe really ridiculous if you think that the two are in the form together[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that was just an example that I have used. That goes for jinchuriky section. Overall, his whole abilities section should be streamlined. For example, I don't think we should note him making a Rasengan without Shadow Clones or two of them at once WITH Kurama's chakra (this should stay purely in host forms article) the reason for this is because everyone with Kurama's chakra can do things they couldn't before. It's not Naruto's own skill--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:::And yet the the chakra cloak looks nothing on how it's suppose to, but seeing I can't make both sides agree, I give up, I'll wait for the next time he jumps into that form. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: *sigh* why cant people just accept the obvious evidence of it being SPSM *sigh* [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:14, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Because SPSM not an entrenchment of KCM, it's its own form that Naruto can use and allows him to go to his tailed beast chakra mode because Kurama was his only true tailed beast. SPSM is the Sage's power, not Kurama's, Kurama is with the power due to naruto being with it now. But of course no one will listen because "eye is the answer" When the cloak is no where near what it needs to look like. So I stil suggest it being a SPSM with KCM cloak around it. But of course, with facts pointed on how the SPSM needs to look like, I can't argue much. IT has no truth seeing ball, nor the Rinnegan on the back of the cloak. So What ever, It's completely SPSM, and the cloak as well. SO as I said to make it easier it is SPSM but with KCM Chakra cloak appearance. Because SPSM Chakra cloak looks nothing like it did in the Manga. — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: then the simpiest explanation is that the mode changes just like how TBSM changed from the war to the last naruto the movie. And about the rinnegan marking on the back, he transformed his cloak which approbabbly altered the markings [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Correction to many pages ==
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The Rinnegan-like pattern on Naruto's back was the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal that Obito applied on Naruto to seal Shukaku and Gyuki's chakras into him. Naruto replaced the seal with a different one by the time of The Last, hence why there's no Rinnegan like pattern on his back anymore, use head people.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 03:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
The correction I am speaking of is the Drilling Air Bullets listed under ninjutsu that Naruto can use. It says it is only used in a game. I think they are talking about Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3, where he can use Wind Release: Air Bullets, not Drilling Air Bullets. It should be changed to such, since the Naruto, Drilling Air Bullets, and Air Bullet page are all incorrect. I am not sure how to change it, so I am posting this so someone else will. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 02:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
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: wait wait. Since when did naruto changed the seal onhis back or rather how did u know he replaced it? [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:The customisable wind technique Naruto can use in that game actually is Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet, the kanji are the same. The reason it shows in Naruto's infobox is due to a software but in the extension used to make the infoboxes, something not easily fixable from our end. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
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::Observation and filling the gaps.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 04:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to correct you, but I have the game on right now and it is Wind Release: Air Bullets. There is a separate page for air bullets. the only one who uses the drilling air bullet is the one tails. BUT since you say it is difficult to change, I won't ask you to correct it. Just please realize that it is in fact on the wrong page. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 05:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
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:::Isn't it just Kurama Mode with Senjutsu influence? Just look at his arms. In Kurama Mode, his arms have markings, in Six Paths Sage Mode - they don't. In 704, the arms had markings. Also, in SPSM, Naruto's outfit, with the exception of the cloak, becomes black, in Kurama's Mode - only his top part becomes black, with the lines going through the lower part. Based on these descriptions, I looks to be more like Kurama-enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Even the seal is different. In Kurama Chakra Mode it's a circle within a circle, same in 704, while in Six Paths Sage Mode it's a plain circle xD--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 06:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:And if you would bother looking at the article on that technique, you would see that Air Bullet is how the name of this technique was translated in English, for example, on TV. We add different translations if they differ between themselves. I have seen screenshots of the game in Japanese, and the kanji are the same. There's a reason we go to lengths to have the kanji of techniques, so we can get proper translations. Viz does a good job on dialogue, but the name of stuff sometimes gets change so instead of accuracy, it's either better sounding or simpler to understand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:47, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::::While I do believe Elve pulled that straight out his ass (Ten-Tailed Coffin Seal sealing pieces of the One and Eight-Tails. Okay then.) the lack of the Six Paths Senjutsu mark is interesting, but at the same time he does lack the pigmentation of the eyes that denotes normal Sage Mode. Of course then there's the added fact that Kurama specifically stated "Hey glad you're actually using me again." and we know Naruto using Kurama's chakra = Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
ok lets just mention pure logic. which is more likely: naruto using a technique that only the one tails can use or the one that is listed as a wind style jutsu that could technically be learned by anyone? come on. if you dont understand that there is a page for wind style air bullets here it is. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Air_Bullets simple enough. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:23, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
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::::So instead of letting this pissing match continue further, I say we end this debate because until we see Naruto in that form and in color we're never going to know exactly which form he's in and just stick it under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like we did every form he's got that seems derived from it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:46, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:That is an unnamed technique article. When manga or anime shows a technique without naming it, we create the article on the technique using a descriptive, generic name for it. That article in question was created when Nagato used that in an anime exclusive sequence, in March, last year. The game in which Naruto used the technique was released in 2009. And also, I should remind you: Naruto used the technique ''in a game''. If you search for the kanji for other custom techniques from that game we also have articles on, specifically "雷遁・雷震閃" and "水遁・大鉄砲玉", you will find sites that list the kanji for custom jutsu certain characters can use. Among them, you will see the kanji for Shukaku's Wind Release technique. And to put the final nail on this topic: [http://bbs.tgbus.com/thread-770711-1-1.html here is a thread] in a forum, with screenshots of the game in Japanese (the forum is in Chinese, the screenshots are in Japanese). In the second image below the character selection screen, where custom jutsu are selectable, you will see the kanji for that Wind Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Or we just name it as combined form of Kurama Mode+Six Paths Sage Mode which is his powerful new mode, KM (design-see circle and legs), SPSM (no pigmentation around eyes) I see people arguing that there can't be both, of course it can it is powerful form than just normal Kurama mode or lone SPSM, @TU3 I don't see any resemblance to Nine-Tails Chakra Mode The lines are thick he got three thick whiskers and you do know Kurama mode is upgrade for NTCM, when Kurama is inside him he can give large amount of chakra for Kurama mode because now there is no seal and it was removed by Naruto.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 10:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::2 Things.
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::::::1) He's ''glowing''. That's about the bare minimum of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. As I said, we won't know exactly what that form is until we see it in color, but at the very least we have an article that can serve as a "base", where all his forms are located anyway.
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::::::2) There is a seal, that's why the Nine-Tails is still in Naruto. The fact that the Nine-Tails is nolonger "locked in a cage" is the new circular opening on his stomach, which opened up the first time we saw him in Tailed Beast Mode (ignore the image in the infobox, that is an anime mistake. The one further down from the game is more accurate.)--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::Okay then. Agreed, it should be under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode article.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 11:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::Still ignoring that Six Paths Sage Mode is the crossed eyes without pigment disregarding cloak. The cloak is dependent on the seal used.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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? {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:49, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:To me, the fact Naruto's pupil are in a cross shape with no pigmentation around the eyes is proof enough he's using Six Paths Sage Mode. I agree it's weird that there are no Rinnegan and magatama on his back, but unless you want to say that Naruto can now enter Sage Mode with no pigmentation (which doesn't sound possible, according to <span title="the colour around the eyes is proof of a true Sage">Fukasaku</span>), well…--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]20:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Naruto was in Sage Mode the chapter before and you could clearly see the pigmentation. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 20:22, May 22, 2015(UTC)
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Did you guys ever consider that the Sage only gave Naruto Six Paths chakra. Naruto mixed that with sage mode to make Six Paths Sage Mode. That's not the chakra cloak, that's what Naruto had right before he equipped the cloak The reason the chakra cloak looks different against Madara is because he had the other tailed beasts chakra or because he only had Yin-Kurama, which altered the appearance. So since he only has full Kurama, it's just Kurama mode with Six paths sage mode activated, hence the lack of sage markings.[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 21:21, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Bump[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 00:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
It can have the same kanji and still have a different meaning. the names are so similar that they would probably have the same one. i dont know much about the japanese language, but this is the case with basically every language ever. but thats all i feel like arguing on this one case. Try not to base your whole argument on only one thing. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
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What don't people get? SPSM ISN'T the cloak, it's crossed eyes without pigment. According to databook Naruto was using that form while he kicked Madara's TSB and that was without any cloak, point is, don't look at the cloak to determine if it is or isn't SPSM since it has no relevance because it is SPSM even without any cloak.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:56, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Exactly, and during his fight with Sasuke, Sasuke said that he was running out of the TB chakras. So now that it's been years after, he's most likely using SPSM, but his cloak is Kurama Mode since he only has full Kurama now.[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 13:06, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No one seems to care the articles have it wrong and what the databooks say, but oh well.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I changed it on Naruto's page but....whatever[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 15:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::@Riptide240 and you changed wrong. In chapter 692 Sage stated about TB chakra being in Naruto, so with it, your edits are no good. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Nope, look a few chapters after, Sasuke said they were beginning to fade away or that he was running out. Obviously, that was after the Sage said that so....[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 15:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::This was not about it, Sasuke compared his 8TB + half Kurama to Naruto's portions and half Kurama saing he has more and mentoned Naruto running low on chakra(not TB's overall) wich he had, you just making things up. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 17:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::No, you're ignorant. In chapter 696, Sasuke specifically says that he's running low on the chakra he recieved from the bijuus [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 18:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::So it's me ignorant lol, and not you who by simple running low on the chakra accusation(he can for exapmle run low on Kurama chakra so why he never lost - answer is simple chakra regenerates) decided that Naruto lost all TB chakra? Or even more funny wikia got rid of all TB mentions in SPSM page since we don't have any evidence of that. So you to know, you are speculating on Naruto's TB by saing he has lost it(we don't know), by your edit you create a contradiction(by saing that TB chakra affect Naruto's SPSM). And i am the one who is ignorant, seriously? ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 18:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::Yes, because what happens to something that runs low?, it runs out!!!! How hard is that to understand. Not to mention that in 700+4, Kurama says your finally using '''ME''' after all this time??? How much simpler does it have to get? Not to mention that we only see Kurama in there.....noone else. Suspicious much?[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 19:07, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:Okay, this has gone on long enough now. Find something more interesting to discuss, instead of going around in circles with no end in sight. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::In the databook there is no mention of the tailed beast on the SPSM page so they have no effect on his altered appearance. You're speculating saying that the other tailed beast chakra ran out, Kurama's chakra completely ran out during the fight and he's still around.--([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 21:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC))
   
== Taijutsu benchmark ==
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just had a light bulb...I THINK...that this mode is six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...not all the tailed beast which he used during the 4th war [maybe the small changes are due to kurama's both halves merged after the war]...but then again it defies the six paths sage mode's definition...which is all the tailed beasts chakra + senjutsu...I dunno...I'm confused too...this mode unfortunately has more indications of the sage tailed beast mode than six paths sage mode...although I have to say I can see a circle at naruto's back...but it doesn't strike me as a rinnegan pattern...maybe it's hiding under that big chakra cloak...but the mode that naruto used when he saved guy from madara's truth fucking ball was also six paths sage mode...I think we need to make a distinction between six paths sage mode with & without TB chakra in the article...and also between six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...any thoughts?.. --'''[[User:DARK ZER06 |DARK ZERO]]'''--''[[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]'' 08:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
So, looking through some recent changes to the article, I noticed someone readded a sentence to Naruto's taijutsu section, mentioning his taijutsu performance against Itachi. I know Itachi is great and all, but since when does he figure as a taijutsu benchmark? Itachi hardly has any taijutsu feats to reliably make him something to compare taijutsu aptitude with. If you want to go with databooks stats, yes he's skilled, but so is Orochimaru in genjutsu. I recall removing something like that last year. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Sharingan user + high taijutsu score = fast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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== Picture ==
   
High taijutsu score means skill, not power. Sharingan itself isn't speed, just perception. I get the speed argument though, but those are not quite the arguments to make for it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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His "epilogue" picture should be updated. ([[User:Clear Waters|Clear Waters]] ([[User talk:Clear Waters|talk]]) 18:58, June 24, 2015 (UTC))
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:Why? --'''''[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sa]][[User talk:SuperSajuuk|ju]][[Special:Editcount/SuperSajuuk|uk]]''''' [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|{{Mod}}]] 18:59, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::A word of friendly advice, if you're going to propose a picture change, provide a link of what you think is a better one, so we can really delve into whether or not a proposed one is better than the current. And anyway, I see nothing wrong with the current one.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 19:12, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
Naruto's taijutsu is certainly above average, just look at people like Shikamaru, Ino and pretty much his peers, I'm yet to see them do some serious taijutsu fight... the only capable are Lee, Choji, Sakura, Hinata and perhaps Kiba (R.I.P. Neji) and the only one who can equal him in terms of physical strength and speed is Lee. But not to talk only about strength and speed, his fighting style/technique also matters... he knows frog punches and kicks and ****
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== Tailed beast skills ==
Being equal in taijutsu to not-ill Itachi who has a Sharingan thus can follow and predict movements speaks for itself alone, but if that's not enough for ya, then take into consideration the above as well, so... Oh, he also managed to keep up with Pain in his base mode for a short while and deflected Sasuke's kunai meant to kill Sakura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I'm not trying to downplay Naruto's taijutsu, I'm just saying that comparing it to Itachi's doesn't feel like the way to sell it. It's like saying pizza is good because the dough is tasty. Pizza is good, but dough isn't what gives it flavour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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Does Naruto just have all of them by default, and why if he's never used them? I mean things like [[Wisdom Wolf Decay]]. --[[User:Chaosattractor|Chaosattractor]] ([[User talk:Chaosattractor|talk]]) 00:46, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:Naruto's used its acid/alkali in his Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:43, July 1, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Tabs in articles ==
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== Naruto and poison ==
I have an idea about having tabs ('Introduction', 'History', and 'Abilities') for long character articles (i.e. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, etc.), like these examples ([http://es.naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki], [http://aonoexorcist.wikia.com/wiki/Rin_Okumura], and [http://toriko.wikia.com/wiki/Toriko]). What do you guys think? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I like this idea.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 22:58, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Does it seem like Naruto gets poisoned way to often. He has been poisoned at least four times.
:Glad you like! The only thing is that I don't how to get it done. Anybody know how? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 01:09, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::When you mentioned tabs, I thought it had something to do with the tabber extension we use for tabbed images in infoboxes, but from what I can glance at, what those sites did was simply a fancier version of what we do with archives. It's a sub-page of an article, created in it's namespace (for example, "Naruto Uzumaki/Abilites" and "Naruto Uzumaki/History"). Same thing anyone in this wiki has done to make a personal sandbox or page. ShounenSuki's translation pages, my elemental recomposition table, it's pretty much the same, but done in our user namespaces. They're completely separate articles. Basically, we'd do what we did to jinchūriki transformations to a much bigger part of the article, and then add a fancy template with links to it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:25, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Why do we need tabs? We already have a TOC for easy navigation and if you think size is a problem, you can make sections collapsible.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:29, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I still prefer tabs. Anyone else? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 05:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Not too sure what I think about this, not a fan of the whole tabber because from an editor's point of view, it's a lot more to manage but conversely, it's supposed to help persons who take longer to load pages right? At the same time, it is really that hampering that it requires this? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:34, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::No, it isn't that hampering. I can load the entire [[Naruto]] page within a minute even from a very slow connection from my mobile. And thats the reason why collapsibles exist in the first place.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 06:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::A tabbed article using the <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> code would actually be a good idea imo. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
<small>(Reset indent) </small>Using <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> won't do any good. The page would have to load fully and then it would be converted into tabs. It would only disturb the flow and format of the article and defeat the purpose of TOC.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:01, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Naruto has Gyuki's chakra? ==
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1. food poisoning from expired milk.
It has recently come to my attention that in chapter 496, when Gyuki tried to pull Kurama's chakra from it, the fox sliced off Gyuki's tentacles and absorbed back not only its chakra, but some of Gyuki's as well. Even in the shippuden episode 245 had displayed that. Does that mean Naruto already has Gyuki's chakra? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 10:08, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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2. the demon brothers poison gauntlet cutting him.
:I've always considered that he had. If it's not mentioned in the article, it's probably to play it on the safe side. Also, avoid links. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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3. Naruto getting bitten by the venomous fish in the second shippunin movie.
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4. Naruto getting cut by sakura's poison kunai.
   
You are forgetting that Gyuki was present during the fist bumping party as well, it didn't require Kishi to draw a panel of it telling Naruto it's name since he knows already. He has chakra of 8 tailed beasts, Shukaku's is missing, unless he managed to absorb some of it's chakra during the forehead incident with Gaara in Part I. ;D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:22, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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did i miss any?--[[User:Guyver92|Guyver92]] ([[User talk:Guyver92|talk]]) 18:32, July 4, 2015 (UTC)
:We have seen Naruto and B fist bump and stuff, but Gyuki didn't give him the chakra personally through a fist bump, he might have already gotten it by accident as I mentioned it from above (there were other tentacles lying about in Naruto's subconscious in chapter 497 and Kurama might have absorbed them after the fight in chapter 499). Plus, Naruto hasn't even said Gyuki's name, only its nickname "Hattsuan" in chapter 598 page 6 (its real name only appeared within Kurama's flashbacks of the Sage of the Six Paths), so we STILL don't know if he already knows. Naruto didn't recieve Shukaku's chakra nor did it give some to him willingly; besides it still hasn't come to terms with Naruto like the other tailed beasts had yet. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 23:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Tools ==
 
OK first off he never owned Chakra blades. Asuma lent him his once so that shouldn't be their. and second when did he ever use a sword? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
 
 
He trained using one. But you may be refering to the one that He used in the 4th Shippūden Movie. Though I can't remember when He wielded a sword at the moment.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I've never seen the 4th movie so I'll have to take your word for it. but what about the chakra blades? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 18:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
 
: What do mean "what about the Chakra Blades"? I just said He used Asuma's for training a little in the Manga, and for like 3 episodes in the Anime. He used them enough and (eventually) showed enough skill with them, for Him to be list as a user of them. In the 4th Shippūden Movie He also used a special type of Chakra Blade, which He also showed skill with. I dunno when He used a Sword.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 20:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
Sorry, like I said I've never seen the fourth movie. I thought you were just talking about the sword. ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
 
::There's an archived discussion about that somewhere, don't recall if in the tool, character or episode. I don't recall the reasoning behind it, but it was obviously decided not to list him. If I had to guess, maybe something about the way he used it. We don't list B as a Kubikiribocho because of something like that as well. And we waited until Kakashi had actually used to sword to list him as well. It's not just a you touched it, you wielded it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:05, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You sure Omni sensei? So why is Gaara listed as a user of [[Johyo]] ???--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
:That's only a guess, I remember the discussion, not the details of it. And anyway, as a user pointed out in an edit summary, Naruto used the blades in an OVA, so that counts as anime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'm talking about the sword, I'm okay with blades. Just realized it's game only and as we know erroneously showing up in his infobox while it shouldn't I guess.
 
Thought he held one in anime/ova for a second and as a response to ur "holding =/= using" I wrote the above and questioned Gaara's usage of that rope since he only demonstrated it, never attacked anyone (I think) and that brings another topic, should Gaara be listed as a user of [[Johyo]] at all? It looked more like gymnastics to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:00, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: If he had the skill to instruct someone on it's use and demonstrate, he should be listed. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 16:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Gaara shouldn't be listed as a Johyo user, he's listed as such? Great, now I have to periodically click "expand" in the tool use section of infoboxes to see if someone is a user of something they shouldn't be. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
So if I hold a sword and swing without managing to cut myself in the process, does that make me a Kenjutsu specialist? They are ninja, fast reflexes and precise movements, what he did could be done with laces if he wanted or a jump rope
 
EDIT: @Omni, glad u agree--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:21, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra Flow ==
 
 
Shouldn't Chakra Flow be counted as a Jutsu? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
 
 
No. Just like how Shape Transformation and Genjutsu aren't Jutsu, neither is Chakra Flow. It is a type of Jutsu.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:33, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Naruto's list of Ninja feats ==
 
 
1.Naruto first master Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin-Level Jutsu, the closest thing to that was Sasuke's Chunin-Level Fireball Jutsu.
 
2.He nexted defeated Haku of the Mist who was probably an ANBU-Level Shinobi.
 
3.He qualified for the Chunin Exam one semester after his Academy Graduation.
 
4.Naruto also managed to defeat one of Orochimaru's giant snakes with his bare hands.
 
5.He defeated Kiba, a taijutsu base oppenent, with taijutsu, despite the fact his chakra was sealed by the Five Prong Seal on his Eight Sign Seal. He summoned Gamabunta a Kage-Level summon.
 
6.He master the Water Walking Skill in less than an hour.
 
7.He defeated Neji Hyuga who was considered a genius by Hyuga standards.
 
8.He defeated Gaara who was easily Jonin-Level and a full-powered Jinchuriki.
 
9.He held his own against Kimimaro who was Orochimaru's strongest agent
 
10.he defeated Kabuto Yakushi. 11?.He managed to cause an injury to Jiraiya which was almost fatel, one of two Jiraiya has ever had. 12.He managed to defeat Itachi Uchiha's Shapeshifting Clone.
 
13.He nearly knocked out Deidara of Akatsuki.
 
14.He almost beat Orochimaru.
 
15.He master Wind Release in less than two weeks, and completed a S-Rank Kinjutsu during that time.
 
16.He killed Kakuzu of Akatsuki twice over and paralyzed him.
 
17.He trained and master Sage Mode in a fraction of the time it took Jiraiya and mastered it better than he did.
 
18.He defeated Pain of Akatsuki, with some help, a shinobi who destroyed the Leaf Village.
 
19.He master the Nine-Tails and single-handedly saved the Allied Shinobi Forces from defeat and he managed to defeat the Third Raikage using only a Shadow Clone. 20.He also outpaced Ay making him the fastest shinobi alive.
 
21.He defeated Six Reanimated Jinchuriki with the Tailed Beasts by himself as well as managed to de-mask Tobi. He also managed to hold his own against Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha.
 
 
Overall Naruto is far more accomplished than any of the Konoha 11 to the point where there is just no comparison and he could probably defeat them all by himself. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
This is not a forum board.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:12, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, forgot, take it off if you want. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 04:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
We should update the stats of the characters. Like Naruto, surely he has improved! Others too!
 
 
22:37, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Nope because we only ever update the stats when the databooks come out, the databooks are officially written by masashi kishimoto and he's the one who writes extra Info about characters and thats why we sometimes add references on pages, so I know this Isn't a forum and that you were only suggesting yes Naruto has Improved but we don't update them until the next databook Is released --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 22:41, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Naruto's KCM Body Flicker ==
 
 
I think it should be probably stated on Naruto's article that he did in fact use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, and here's why.
 
 
We all know that the Body Flicker Technique is a high speed movement technique, in which a ninja uses their '''chakra''' to increase their speed to phenomenal levels, so with Naruto being Nine-Tails '''Chakra''' Mode, a mode that uses the Nine-Tails' '''chakra''', it would make perfect sense as to why he gains an increase in speed because it would have to be from Body Flicker.
 
 
Another example is Naruto's fight with the Fourth Raikage. Think about it, in the beginning if he couldn't even get past The Fourth Raikage's Lv.1 speed, then how was Naruto able to completely dodge the Raikage's Lv.2 speed punch a few moments later?
 
 
He had to have used the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yes, cause you just said the obvious, if it isn't stated then I just don't know why. Chakra Mode just increases the effectiveness of his body flicker, the cloak by itself gives him a speed boost but an ordinary one. All high-speed movements in the series are a result of body flicker, except stated otherwise, an other technique that does this would be eight gates.
 
It works for A the same, he has to use body flicker along with lightning release armor to achieve full speed, without the former, his attacks can be dodged like Sasuke did for example at close range--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:31, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well in that case, it should properly stated on Naruto's article that he can use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:36, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That's like stating what color grass is. He can do it outside of the modes as well, bf is a generic technique almost everyone in the series knows. It should be only stated that he used it in those yellow flash/speed of light instances to make it clear--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:42, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Since when has Naruto moved at amazing speeds in his base form? According to the recent databooks, his base form speed is a 3.5, that's like around Tsunade's speed and we all know that she's really slow.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The stats show natural abilities/prowess, not taking into consideration techniques. Sakura has "only" 3 in strength and can shatter ground. And Naruto used body flicker many times, like kicking Gaara into the face or intervening with Sasuke's "kill the most useless character with a kunai" attempt--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:47, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Perhaps it is Body Flicker or perhaps it is Flying Thunder God Technique, the point is, we don't know at this stage... I remember that there was at one stage a big debate whether Naruto knows FTGT, but according to the users that took part in the debate, that has been proven false. However, I do think a new jutsu page must be created for Naruto's enhanced Chakra Mode speed, perhaps called "Nine Tails Enhanced Speed" or "Chakra Mode Enhanced Speed" or something along that line. Look at other jutsus that wasn't named in the manga or anime like [[Negative Emotions Sensing]], [[Tailed Beast Telepathy]] or [[Twin Rasenshuriken]]. There are more, but I'm just giving some examples. I don't think Naruto's high speed is either BF or FTGT, but probably a new classifation under Tailed Beast skill. His speed was just as great as FTGT, so it probably deserves it's own justu page (like other unnamed justu pages), that is just how I feel. After all, even Shisui Uchiha's article got special treatment, because he had mastered BF better then any other ninja. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 10:05, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Jesus... Naruto doesn't know Hirashin, that's a space-time technique, Naruto doesn't teleport just move fast. And what he does is body flicker, just because with Kurama chakra it's faster doesn't mean it deserves it's own article, because with that logic we would also have to do "chakra mode: rasengan" "chakra mode: shadow clone technique" and for every ****--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:28, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Wow, OK first of Elveonora, I have to ask: what is your problem with me? First you took me on about the Tailed Beast Mode Naruto colour image I uploaded, because, and I quote you "Cause it's not an official image" (go read my talk page) which has later been deducted as false, cause it is in fact official. Another example was when I left a message on Cerez's talk page "Little request!!" I felt like your comment was mocking, but I let it slide for my sake. But now your crude language towards me. It feels like your undermining me and I don't like it. I have done nothing towards you that justifies your attitude towards me. Secondly, I NEVER said Naruto knows FTGT. I said there was a debate, but I never said he knew it. Please read my statements before you go and saying stuff like "Jesus" to me!! I am not stupid... I feel if every unnamed technique gets it's own page, then why does this particular technique not? [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 17:19, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Lol, I don't care about you whatsoever in a negative but nor a positive way, just chill, you just are and I exist too, no feelings. Don't take the way I talk as personal, that's just my style. Sorry about the image, that's long concluded from the moment it was clarified as official. Also debates "what if, maybe" belong to a forum, because we KNOW it wasn't a Hirashin, thus pointless to even be hypothetical. If you aren't stupid, then you might have missed the answer to that one, because body flicker is still body flicker (and already has an article) there is no "this particular technique"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
No hard feelings then... But I still don't quite agree with it just being a normal Body Flicker. Shisui got special treatment in regards to Body Flicker. Naruto beat Ay's [[Lightning Straight]] with, I feel, an advanced Nine Tails enchanced BF, as did his father with Hirashin (again, I am not saying that Naruto used Hirashin). And with all due respect said, as I said in my above argument, I have seen some jutsus on this wiki that I never had any idea was even a jutsu, and that they have even been named by the admins (you know those jutsus that display in ''italic'' on a character's jutsu page). All I'm saying is, if they get a page, why isn't something that is faster than Ay's Lightning Straight, being left in the dark? And I hear what you are saying, just hear my argument out too... [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 16:03, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
For all we know, Shisui used an ordinary body flicker, it was simply likely his signature ability just like shadow clones are for Naruto, that's why the "special" treatment, as he was known for it and it was a part of his fighting style--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:10, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Melded Chakra ==
 
 
Should we refer to the chakra used during Tailed Beast mode as a combination of Naruto and Kurama's chakra? Because that's what it is, right? So Naruto is giving not only Kurama's chakra during the Chakra Transfer Technique, but also his own.{{unsigned|65.188.41.37}}
 
 
No, there's no reason for him to give off his own chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well that is true, but that is what he is doing anyway, isn't it? It definitely seems that way in the diagram that was shown when Kurama was explaining the process. His chakara is melded with Naruto's and Naruto shares that melded chakara. Especially since (well I'm naturally assuming) their chakara shrouds are orange, it must be the melded chakara. After all, when a few characters sense Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode Chakara, those being Orochimaru, Sasuke, that Cloud Ninja, and Minato, they say that Naruto's chakara is apart of it. I think Naruto is sharing the melded chakara.
 
 
Well, I can also see reason to leave it the way it is. Both things are said by several characters. So I guess it could be left alone...{{unsigned|65.188.41.37}}
 
 
That's not what the diagram was showing. All he does is changes Kurama chakra's signature into his own and then into other people's when he transfers that. Meaning that it's like if they were using their own, but with power of the fox.
 
In TBM it's melded chakra, but not Naruto's own, but the extracted QB chakra turned Narutoish with original QB chakra, there's absolutely no reason for why he would waste his very own since he can cheat it this way. He would run out of chakra in no time the way you suggest. Also please, sign your comments, I won't do it for you again --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Hmm, you seem to know so I will take your word for it. But what is TBB? And QB (Kyuubi?)? [[Special:Contributions/65.188.41.37|65.188.41.37]] ([[User talk:65.188.41.37|talk]]) 18:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
My bad, TBR = tailed beast mode, and yes, QB stands for kyubi--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:43, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
NO
 
they specifically say that when naruto goes into his nine tailed cloak his own chakra is shelved temporarily which was a weakness because kurama could slowly but surely consume naruto's chakra the way naruto did when he took control over kurama's which would mean naruto would die {{unsigned|Actionmanrandell}}
 
 
==Benchmarks Should Be updated==
 
Naruto skill has improved a lot and cannot be in the sorry state of 26. His taijutsu is quite good able to knock down anyone who stands in his path in one hit. His genjutsu is acceptable but should be increased as now he wont be affected by it due to his and kurama's "friendship". His speed benchmark is what is wrong. His speed is at extreme levels and cannot be put up with. His intelligence in concepts and stuff are not quite good but his intelligence in diversion and tactics using his shadow clones is impressive.
 
 
Theses benchmarks need to be updated. {{unsigned|58.146.115.94}}
 
 
Then convince Kishimoto to publish another databook. Databooks stats come from databooks, we don't make those up. Seriously, how can people not know that? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:03, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Genin-Level Shinobi? ==
 
 
Should we still say 'genin-level shinobi'? He is a genin, but definitely not genin level.
 
 
Yes, because he officially is still Genin-leveled, even though he has far surpassed normal ninja.
 
Gugi 08:40, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
How about genin-ranked then? Since it explains that he is genin rank, not genin ninja level? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 08:49, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, what I said was wrong, what I meant to say was ranked not level. But he still is genin rank. In terms of level, he is far superior to most, probably all genin.
 
Gugi 09:08, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
His rank is irrelevant tho, few consider him a Genin any longer, his Chunin and even Jonin friends admit him to be stronger, villagers call him Hokage material and he is not only allowed to partake in a world war, but also is an important figure without which it wouldn't be possible to win at all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:57, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:It says genin-level because that's how the wikia decided to write it instead of saying people were genn-ranked. Semantics and bravado won't change the fact that on paper he's a genin.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:58, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yet at least in anime, Shikamaru refers to Sound Four as "Jounin level" referring to their skill/power rather than rank, so perhaps we should adapt to that and rather use "genin ranked"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:44, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== possible birthday ==
 
 
Since I'm yet to see Road to Ninja subbed, can anyone confirm/deny if it was/wasn't a birthday celebration that he had there? The cake, stuff and all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:03, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
i am assuming that it was his birthday why else would he have a cake..
 
 
[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 02:11, June 8, 2013 (UTC)actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 02:11, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== received chakra from... excluding octopus ==
 
 
If I remember well, during the fist bumping party, Shukaku wasn't present. Did Kishi add Shukaku there in tankoobon or something? I don't know why you changed back my edit Cerez, stating he got chakras from 7 beasts besides Kurama is true, Shukaku included and Gyuuki excluded might be an error--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No change in the volume release. Naruto having Shukaku's chakra is very plot-holey if it's not properly explained in future chapters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:52, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: It might be a huge oversight. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 03:27, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Synchronise with Kurama==
 
From the article: "Kurama noted that Naruto was the only person who could completely synchronise with its chakra, due to his Uzumaki lineage as well as being a jinchūriki since childhood". The manga translation I'm reading says kushina's blood. I interpret that as meaning since his mother was the jinchūriki during her pregnancy and since naruto has been a jinchūriki from birth. I think that unless someone comes up with a translation of page chapter 617, page 7 that says "bloodline" it should be changed. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 02:42, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Can be interpreted both ways, Uzumaki were chosen to serve and hosts for foxie cause of their qualities--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Mito wasn't chosen from what is said, she sealed it within herself to help her husband. And Kushina was selected for her special chakra chains that can bind the nine tails, not sync with it. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 17:50, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Then it's the other, he was exposed to Kurama's chakra even before birth, making his body accustomed to it. But it's likely both, I remember Yamato stating the reason Naruto can endure it is cause his own chakra is strong--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:38, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think "Kushina's blood" and "Uzumaki lineage" mean the same thing and the reason Kurama was referring to was because the Uzumaki are descendants of the Sage of Six Paths. [[User:Loki29|Loki29]] ([[User talk:Loki29|talk]]) 23:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Naruto isn't the last uzumaki. the only difference between him and others are his mother was a host as well. Also the senju and uchiha are descendants as well. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 23:17, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Justu list ==
 
 
It seems that naruto's justu list has shuriken a bit, maybe fix it? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 04:08, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Remote Tailed chakra cloak ==
 
How about we create a page for a supplementary move called Remote Tailed chakra cloak, a ability that allow to transfer his chakra to others, therby giving them a boost in the abilities, or something like that if we don't already have one. Tell me what you think. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:27, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I think your knowledge of current discussions is outdated. There's already such an article, and it's currently being discussed whether it stays or goes. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:46, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Maybe add that RCCM can also enhance the abilities of the wearers? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:38, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I think he is suggesting to create two articles for it, one for Naruto manipulating the cloaks, the other for him sharing the cloaks... So you still would like it gone Omni as would I? SuperSaiyan has a bad habit of exaggerating things. It hasn't been referenced as a new technique, it's not named, there wasn't time for him to develop it, thus it's just chakra transfer + chakra arms, I don't think it deserves an article... but I don't want to be the bad one since again, there are more pointless and even likely false articles sticking around just like [[Body Flame Technique]] and [[Attack Prevention Technique]]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:15, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Will someone put chakra transfer technique back up? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:09, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It's there, what are you talking about...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
on the just list [[Special:Contributions/161.38.221.188|161.38.221.188]] ([[User talk:161.38.221.188|talk]]) 22:06, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Headline quotes ==
 
 
Maybe we should think about putting up headline quotes for characters on top of their pages, like put up their signature quotes. What do you think? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 05:14, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
In theory, I don't oppose such a suggestion, but I can anticipate lots of discussions over which quote should be used as main. Besides, the series is still on-going, so even if we do pick one, every week another one could become available. Every week there can be a change to the character which would make any given quote to cease being representative of a character. So, in practice, I oppose. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:02, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== blasphemy ==
 
 
So even after latest chapter, we sure Naruto isn't a sensor? He didn't appear surprised at all seeing Minato, like he was knowing all along. Also some ignored (despite anime not being truly canon, but should be referenced nevertheless) that Naruto stated he could sense CHAKRA in that sound four filler, and he wasn't even in Sage Mode? I mean, lots of sensors are case of something like elemental affinity is, they are born more sensitive just like some are born with a talent for a nature. Nowhere it says a person can't train to become a sensor over time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:43, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Bump--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:06, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Still not keen on saying Naruto is a sensor out of Sage Mode. His lack of surprise could be from recognising the kunai the split second before Minato appeared, or just plain old expecting crazy stuff to happen. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:34, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I don't know, his comment: "you are just in time/right on time" obviously points to that he knew he was coming. He didn't even appear surprised his father is walking there and is a zombie, on top of that we can't simply ignore that anime have already made him a sensor outside of sage mode--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::How do we know he's just not dumb enough to have something like that not surprise him? Sometimes excitement can transcend shock, still it's odd, maybe he sensed him a long time ago.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:40, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Maybe he sensed him while still in his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode around the same time Madara sensed Hashirama. [[User:Blackchaos27|Blackchaos27]] ([[User talk:Blackchaos27|talk]]) 19:46, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::But chakra mode doesn't help him sense chakra, sage mode does--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:54, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Maybe Kurama told him that the half of his chakra is headed towards them? Who knows, we should wait until next week, maybe Minato asks him himself something like "You don't look surprised to see me" or something like that.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 19:56, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I actually had a friend talk to me about this. He's not a sensor, Elve. Look at the chapter again. That massive [[Tailed Beast Ball]] suddenly [[Space-Time Barrier Technique|vanishes]], causing Naruto and several other shinobi to express shock. Then, the next page, Minato appears. Naruto is the only one that would've know that was Minato's technique, as Kushina told him how Minato blocked the Nine-Tails' own Tailed Beast Ball with the same move, hence, he already knew it was his father before he actually appeared. No sensing going on here. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:57, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I'm talking about his lack of surprise and his comment suggests he expected that to happen, so does his expression. But well, we better wait for the next chapter.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:05, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: And I'm saying he already showed his surprise when the Ball vanished. But, when your dad does something you know only he can do, it kinda makes the surprise go away quickly. Naruto already knew that his dad could be the only person capable of such a feat, so his shock turned into excitement. As for the comment, Naruto has been making off-the-cuff statements like that since Chapter 1. He was just happy to see Minato. It would be best not to fuel speculation by examining his ever twitch as meaning something, like being able to sense chakra, all of a sudden, outside of Sage Mode. I doubt next week will shed anymore light on it, because I doubt Kishimoto really wants to spend time explaining Naruto's one statement, which has little, if no significance at all, when he has a plot to advance. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:10, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Unless we explicitly notice him detecting people outside of either of his modes, then no, he's not a sensor. Though, that being said, what constitutes being a sensor? He can keep up modes for long, extended periods of time and while limited to the forms, it is not limited in the form. All he would have to do is use any form to try and sense, which is really no different from anyone else trying to use their ability in sensing. As far as knowing what happened, I don't believe he did because we have no way of knowing. --[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 20:12, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:That's the point. Tobirama doesn't sense 24/7 too, he has to use a technique/concentrate chakra in order to do so, that isn't any different from Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:35, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, at least we know he knew they were all coming. So that part was proved right, Elv, lol. Though I'm still with you on the sensor part, and that he is one, if you compare how and why others are sensors, what it means to be one, etc. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 13:54, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Latest chapter confirmed he can sense with Kurama's chakra, before it was known only he could sense negative emotions, so dunno since when it's like this... at least it's true, has it been added already ?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:04, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::That depends if the powers that be decide to step away from the "Must be this tall to ride" argument. And by that I mean must be sensing chakra 24/7, which it shouldn't be like that at all. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 14:07, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
This is actually easily explainable: Kurama's Yin chakra. Remember, Naruto was able to detect Kin and Gin's Kyubi chakra, even from within the Island Turtle's [[Chakra Isolation Chamber]]. Given Minato has Kurama's Yin chakra, it's not wonder he said that he sensed Minato earlier while in the Tailed Beast Mode. As for Hokage 1-3, he probably just detected their [[Killing Intent]] from far away because of his negative emotions sensing. Viola? :-D [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:05, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:"Genius meme" most likely he sensed Orochimaru's malice in the Edos or something, kinda like Kimimaro could tell Oro's chakra controlling him--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:14, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Naruto said he sensed chakra, so he sensed CHAKRA. I don't see what the big deal is about acknowledging that. The way I see it, his ability is not to sense purely negative emotions, but that his ability to sense chakra is so strong that he feels the emotions within it, like a powered up version of Karin's ability. And this isn't the first time he's said that he sensed chakra in kcm. He said it at least two other times in the manga, and a multitude of times in the anime. This info should have been in the negative emotions sensing article a WHILE ago. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 05:50, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
::So please someone updated that accordingly--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:24, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
And this was also the first time it was stated Naruto could sense something other than negative emotions and Kurama's own chakra while in NCM. What you were arguing for is akin to arguing for Dust Release to be listed as a three nature combination prior to the revelation of kekkei tōta. Anyway isn't the article updated already? I could have sworn I read something like that yesterday. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:45, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Not really, he already was stated to be a sensor while in KCM by anime team, that's why I brought it up before. Anime isn't the source of what's canon and what isn't, but its "facts" shouldn't go ignored as long as it doesn't contradict manga. Also while KCM, he could sense Kurama's chakra at least, that alone is chakra sensing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:50, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
::His Tailed Beast Mode sensory abilities has been mentioned.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:14, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::It's possible that Kurama is a sensor since it can feel chakra, so while he is in mode/s, he gains this power--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:20, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Again, I'm against. Naruto only mentions feeling Minato's chakra, which can be explained per my last post.us He doesn't mention feeling the chakra of the other Hokage, he merely says "The others are coming", which is again explicable via negative emotions detection (and if anyone was giving that off in spades, it'd Tobirama). If Naruto was a sensor in TBM, there'd have been no need for him to use Sage Mode to fiddle that chakra receivers in the Tailed Beasts, or to gauge the Jubi's chakra (which was Kurama's suggestion, mind you). TL;DR The evidence against TBM chakra-sensing outweighs thee circumspect and explicable evidence for it.us Thoughts? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 06:23, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Naruto must of knew Minato was coming maybe because of Kurama telling him that Its Minato for sure who coming, as Kurama Is probably a sensor all the tailed beats are I think, so lets stop arguing --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 06:46, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Madara?? ==
 
 
"Shocked by the depths of his hatred, Kakashi resolved to kill Sasuke, but was stopped by Naruto, who instead fought Sasuke head-on; matching his Rasengan with the latter's Chidori. Both survived the clash, with Madara and Zetsu coming to Sasuke's aid. "
 
 
I hope the admin edit such mistake immediately - since there are no permission for regular members to edit this. The one in the five kage summit arc was Tobi/Obito instead of the real Madara [[User:Edbertp|Edbertp]] ([[User talk:Edbertp|talk]]) 05:41, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Obito was going by Madara at that point, so that's why he is called Madara in the article.[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 06:57, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Would it be okay if we mentions how Madara calle dNaruto the heart of the ninja alliance in the page? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:01, May 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Character's main pic==
 
As we can see, Naruto's pic is on his young form, Isn't better to add another tab that is written on it "Older form" and put a picture of him in his older form. If so then we have to apply this in other character's pages that has Young/Older Form. Also a Manga form if it is needed. -- [[User:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10]] ([[User_Talk:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|talk]]) 21:54, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Refer to image policy. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:22, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Ah! okay, Now I know, Thanks for the answer. --[[User:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10]] ([[User_Talk:Tsurugi_Kyousuke_10|talk]]) 10:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Infobox Tabber==
 
I Recently Tabbed The Infobox To Include Both Pre-skip And Post-Skip Naruto. Someone Undid This. Can Someone Tell Me Why?
 
[[User:2myname1|2myname1]] ([[User talk:2myname1|talk]]) 01:25, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Character infoboxes only have 1 image, and it's their appearance when they first appeared in the series, unless its a difference between anime and manga. The only exception to this is Tobi, which ''shouldn't'' be the exception but a lot of people would have anal fits if one of those images are removed.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:57, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Classification ==
 
Shouldn't Naruto be classed as a pseudo Jinchuuriki, if his father Minato is considered one? Minato has Half, Naruto has half. Same distribution (by the same method) of Kurama's Chakra.--{{unsigned|79.129.119.11}}~Dean
 
:No. Naruto has the actual beast sealed inside him so he's a jinchūriki. Minato has the beast's chakra, but not its physical body.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:12, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
 

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So, which Mode did he use in 700+4? Right now, I see the article mentioning both Six Paths Sage Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode in different sections. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:47, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

There's no way of knowing for certain, but the lack of eye pigmentation would indicate it was Six Paths Sage Mode, would it not? Even though the magatama and horns are missing, but those have been a part of all of these modes.--BeyondRed (talk) 12:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'd say it could be Six Paths Sage Mode (with both halves of Kurama) because of black undergarments, no pigmentation near eye, no glowing skin. The design looks like Tailed beast Sage Mode because he lacks Magatama markings. In the Last he used something like tailed beast mode, so this is something different.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
No way to know for sure. But he lacked the horns and the Truth-Seeking Balls so I'm going to assume Nine-Tails ChakraMode.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 12:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Aww come on its clearly six paths sage mode, the pigmentation not present already determines it. The magatama not present is not really important in determining the mode cause actually al the modes has it and the horns are not present cause naruto has cropped his hair now.BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 13:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)User:BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 9:02, May 21, 2015
Would lack of TSB be a reliable indicator though? Naruto got fewer and fewer when fighting Madara and Kaguya, and they didn't regenerate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:07, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I see there's thick markings on his face, no Sage pigmentation, but that doesn't seem to be his Six Paths Sage Mode. Look at his shoulders, body and his hands in the chapter and compare it to this image. Looked more like his Tailed Beast Sage Mode. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 13:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
guys come on the no pigmentation was the six paths sage modes first sign. and by the way when did naruto ever enter his TBSM without sage mode pigmentation. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 13:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, How lack of horns is pro Nine-Tails Chakra Mode argument because Naruto had them in this mode too, i think this lack is due his short hair cut. Magatama thing: yes he lacks RM markings on back but same time he lacks KM markings on neck. Now eyes and skin thing: in Last we seen that when Naruto uses KM+SM he has pigmentation and his skin glowing so this speaks against KM+SM mode. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:56, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

And there was no magatama nor Rinnegan markings on the back either, so it can't be SPSM. Jesus, Kishi. Gonna go do something real quick. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

There is actually another possibility as well, but it's confusing. According to the databook entry, the mode Naruto entered when he kicked Madara's Truth-Seeking Ball -- which looked just like regular Sage Mode with no pigmentation -- is Six Paths Sage Mode. The chakra cloak that didn't cover his skin is not Six Paths Sage Mode, it's just something he can do while in Six Paths Sage Mode. We never saw either of his regular chakra cloaks after that point in the manga, so for all we know they were permanently replace by the new chakra cloak, just like the form in The Last replaced them. Based on all of the forms being called "Kurama Link Mode" or some such in Retsu no Sho, it seems like Kishimoto doesn't really distinguish between them the way we do. They're all basically considered the same thing.--BeyondRed (talk) 15:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Okay. In Retsu no Sho, all of Naruto's modes (save SPSM), whether it be Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, Kurama Link Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, or Tailed Beast Sage Mode, are all classified as "Kurama Chakra Mode" in that book. At least we know he used that. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:15, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@WindStar, with same reasoning i can say: no magatama on neck, so it can't be "Kurama Chakra Mode". let's call it New Chakra Mode then :D. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I just realized that Naruto body pattern is most similar to Naruto's Kurama-Asura chakra avatar from second VotE fight. ./Rage gtx (talk) 16:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@Rage gtx: The movie. Naruto had Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode, with no horns. Pulling straight from the new, it's simply the complete Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode that we saw in the film, just now he has a cloak on that also starts to glow.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 16:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, you understand that Naruto can't have horns with short hairs and evens so why horns are indicators of anything? He had them since gaining of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And then again when he uses Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode he has eyelid pigmentation and skin glow ./Rage gtx (talk) 16:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I always assumed the "horns" were made out of chakra, but if they were hair that may actually be the reason. As for his form in The Last, what was it that made everybody (myself included) assume that form was the incomplete "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" rather than the complete "Kurama Mode"? It has the full black circles, the thick lines on his face, the slitted eyes, and he enters it when manifesting Kurama. The only thing it has in common with the first chakra mode is that its design is simpler, but that cold just be a stylistic choice. I haven't seen the movie yet, so was there anything in it that made people believe that?--BeyondRed (talk) 16:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
come on guys tell me youre not seriously pointing out that its his normal kurama mode just because hes missing 'horns' and stuff of course its gonna change and Its clearly his SPSM cause just the eyes indicate it already. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 16:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
We don't just add our own speculative opinion to articles, that is really not how it works. Also, fix your signature, since it includes an unnecessary link and a useless date. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Comparing to the image that Windy just showed it, it clearly looks like Kurama Mode Although we can't say he has glowing skin because the manga is B/W and the lack of pigmentation around his eyes does indicate it is Six Paths Sage Mode but as BeyondRed said we are differentiating it Kishimoto didn't differentiate like how we do, so it could mean that it is just the effect of power that Hagoromo gave so that's why he doesn't have pigmentation, no glowing skin etc. Horn aren't good indicator for differentiating the modes every mode has this, in SPSM it is small in length, last 3 TSB were lost in VOTE2 so no they are also not indicators.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
like i said the mode looks clearly like the SPSM how could it be a kurama chakra mode. When we al know that the only way we can differentiate KCM from SPSM in an uncolored chapter are the eyes and in this case the pigmentations out so obviously its SPSM right. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 17:16, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
It looks like we already came to a compromise, it is reflected in articles and added that it is a mix of several modes. I agree it has Kurama mode designs no denying that (except the magatama and horn portion) but it also has characteristics of SPSM no pigmentation, so it is a mix of SPSM + KM.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I still think its just Six Path Sage Mode, the difference from the War is now that Naruto has Kurama's full power behind him, instead of just Yin or Yang. More chakra from that would change the appearance. But it still has the traits of Six Path Sage Mode, no pigmentation around the eyes is a dead give away.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

No pigmentation can just mean he isn't using Senjutsu chakra. I mean, can you see his eyes well in the chapter?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, they are crossed, just like in Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode lacks pigmentation around the eyes, Elve.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:48, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I know that, I was asking about the cross. Well if it's there, it's Six Paths Sage Mode without a doubt. Also as was stated, Truth Seeking Balls don't regenerate, he has used them up.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:52, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Then that should settle it then, that its the six paths sage mode. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 00:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Nope. Still undecided. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:48, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
ughhhh. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 00:50, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Also, just type in ~~~~ to sign your posts. The rest is not necessary. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
May I ask, where do we get the sense that all of his skin does not glow yellow? It's a black and white manga picture, for crying out loud. Again, look at his hands in the recent chapter and compare it to this image. His hands do indeed glow in the image, no?
Unfortunately, I foresee us debating this for days. I think it's best to say that he accessed a mode with characteristics of his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, and Six Paths Sage Mode, rather than definitively picking which mode it is and ignoring characteristics of other modes. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 01:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
wait what? BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 01:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Windstar, its obviously Six Path Sage Mode. Know why it has more characteristics to the other forms? He has more of Kurama's power than he had when he first obtained it. He's also changed his own appearance since then, he lost the 'horns' due to cutting his hair. The eyes show its Six Path Sage Mode. there's literally no debate.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And the consensus seems to be that it IS Six Path Sage Mode, not the lower forms.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

But the rest of the body shows Kurama Mode, as I've shown with the image. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:01, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Since he has more of Kurama's power than he had before. The full power of Kurama dwarfs the small pieces of the rest of the Tailed Beasts. And as people pointed out before, Six Path Sage Mode is the form that was first used against Madara, the cross eyes.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Okay? And his Tailed Beast Sage Mode also has cross eyes. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
But that has the crucial pigmentation around the eyes. Tailed Beast Sage Mode has the Sage Mode pigmentation. Six Path Sage Mode lacks the pigmentation even with the chakra cloak.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
This is just going to go around in circles, I suppose. Hm... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
From the looks of his mode, and appearance, He used Kurama beast mode, cause of the patterns on him, and the way he had the form look. If it was Nine tail Chakra mode, it could have looked like Minatos a bit where he had everything yellow. This is Kurama's mode.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Dude, the Kurama Tailed Beast Mode is just a normal or slitted pupil. Six Path Sage Mode has the cross pupil without the Sage Mode pigmentation around the eyes.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Let me also point out that Kurama in some Manga translation states that Naruto was finally going to use Kurama's chakra to stretch and cut loose, plus remember, Kishimoto forgets to add details to a lot of things. — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
So can we just agree its Six Path Sage Mode now? The traits of the eyes were the dead give away.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Or this is his new Six Path Sage Mode. What 'forgets details', its clearly Six Path Sage Mode. If there was no cross in the eyes, it would be just Kurama mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Kishimoto can forget to add more details, he done it before. But the mode resembles greatly of Kurama Tailed beast mode. From the patterns and all. It looks nothing like Sage Six path mode, as Naruto didn't have the patterns on the back like that form, he could have used the "normal" Form of the six path mode, where he had no pigmentation., but used Kurama tailed beast mode at the same time.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
ughh so do you mean that just cause a form changes you already imply it as KCM how may times should this be repeated, KCM shows the eye markings and SPSM dosent deal with it. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 02:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
KingLinks, your comparison doesn't work. Looks nothing like Six Path Sage Mode? Six Path Sage Mode is just the eyes. Naruto was in Six Path Sage Mode in chapter 672. The trademark is the cross eyes WITHOUT the Sage Pigmentation around the eyes. This chapter showed the eyes having the cross pattern lacking Sage Pigmentation, the trait of Six Path Sage Mode. Thus, Six Path Sage Mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am saying as stated above before, that he could be using KCM with the SPSM Normal form that only involves the eyes, like when he fought Madara before all Yellow.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And according to the databook, THAT form which he engaged Madara in was Six Path Sage Mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am not going against that, I am jsut saying he could be using both at the same time. IS that a problem to agree with? — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Either it's Kurama Mode with Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode, not whatever you're suggesting. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

And why can't it be both? It looks like it can.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
it cant be both cause what the KCM can do can also be done by SPSM but with greater powerBoltUzumakiXD (talk) 02:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
This is going to go on and on and on.... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Windstar, it explicitly can't be Tailed Beast Sage Mode. The pigmentation lacking shows its Six Path Sage Mode utilizing Kurama's power.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:53, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Cool. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how this will not end, I suppose the only thing to do is to wait for the next time he goes into that form, or Kishimoto tells us what it is. Because I thin kit can be both, due to KCM has more appearance to it than it being SPSM in the chakra cloak.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Look, do what you want, SuperSaiyaMan. You're much more willing to argue than I am, so go ahead. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Um, I never thought I would see this coming, but I completely agree with SuperSaiyanMan now. It's obviously SPSM.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 02:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

so what, we just go with KCM just cause he looks like his previous KCM form and just disregard the fact that he lacks the pigmentation which clearly indicates that its SPSM?! come on BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:02, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Call it SPSM with KCM chakra cloak, cause the cloak looks of it.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Are you guys purposely disregarding what was said? The cloak isn't indicative of SPSM, the eyes are.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 03:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

What I am trying to say, It is SPSM, with KCM chakra cloak.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • sigh* it cant be like that one cant be joined with the other cause the SPSM is already the greatly enhanced form of KCM it would pe really ridiculous if you think that the two are in the form togetherBoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And yet the the chakra cloak looks nothing on how it's suppose to, but seeing I can't make both sides agree, I give up, I'll wait for the next time he jumps into that form.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
*sigh* why cant people just accept the obvious evidence of it being SPSM *sigh* BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:14, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Because SPSM not an entrenchment of KCM, it's its own form that Naruto can use and allows him to go to his tailed beast chakra mode because Kurama was his only true tailed beast. SPSM is the Sage's power, not Kurama's, Kurama is with the power due to naruto being with it now. But of course no one will listen because "eye is the answer" When the cloak is no where near what it needs to look like. So I stil suggest it being a SPSM with KCM cloak around it. But of course, with facts pointed on how the SPSM needs to look like, I can't argue much. IT has no truth seeing ball, nor the Rinnegan on the back of the cloak. So What ever, It's completely SPSM, and the cloak as well. SO as I said to make it easier it is SPSM but with KCM Chakra cloak appearance. Because SPSM Chakra cloak looks nothing like it did in the Manga. — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
then the simpiest explanation is that the mode changes just like how TBSM changed from the war to the last naruto the movie. And about the rinnegan marking on the back, he transformed his cloak which approbabbly altered the markings BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

The Rinnegan-like pattern on Naruto's back was the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal that Obito applied on Naruto to seal Shukaku and Gyuki's chakras into him. Naruto replaced the seal with a different one by the time of The Last, hence why there's no Rinnegan like pattern on his back anymore, use head people.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 03:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

wait wait. Since when did naruto changed the seal onhis back or rather how did u know he replaced it? BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Observation and filling the gaps.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 04:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Isn't it just Kurama Mode with Senjutsu influence? Just look at his arms. In Kurama Mode, his arms have markings, in Six Paths Sage Mode - they don't. In 704, the arms had markings. Also, in SPSM, Naruto's outfit, with the exception of the cloak, becomes black, in Kurama's Mode - only his top part becomes black, with the lines going through the lower part. Based on these descriptions, I looks to be more like Kurama-enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Even the seal is different. In Kurama Chakra Mode it's a circle within a circle, same in 704, while in Six Paths Sage Mode it's a plain circle xD--Omojuze (talk) 06:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
While I do believe Elve pulled that straight out his ass (Ten-Tailed Coffin Seal sealing pieces of the One and Eight-Tails. Okay then.) the lack of the Six Paths Senjutsu mark is interesting, but at the same time he does lack the pigmentation of the eyes that denotes normal Sage Mode. Of course then there's the added fact that Kurama specifically stated "Hey glad you're actually using me again." and we know Naruto using Kurama's chakra = Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
So instead of letting this pissing match continue further, I say we end this debate because until we see Naruto in that form and in color we're never going to know exactly which form he's in and just stick it under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like we did every form he's got that seems derived from it.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 09:46, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Or we just name it as combined form of Kurama Mode+Six Paths Sage Mode which is his powerful new mode, KM (design-see circle and legs), SPSM (no pigmentation around eyes) I see people arguing that there can't be both, of course it can it is powerful form than just normal Kurama mode or lone SPSM, @TU3 I don't see any resemblance to Nine-Tails Chakra Mode The lines are thick he got three thick whiskers and you do know Kurama mode is upgrade for NTCM, when Kurama is inside him he can give large amount of chakra for Kurama mode because now there is no seal and it was removed by Naruto.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 10:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
2 Things.
1) He's glowing. That's about the bare minimum of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. As I said, we won't know exactly what that form is until we see it in color, but at the very least we have an article that can serve as a "base", where all his forms are located anyway.
2) There is a seal, that's why the Nine-Tails is still in Naruto. The fact that the Nine-Tails is nolonger "locked in a cage" is the new circular opening on his stomach, which opened up the first time we saw him in Tailed Beast Mode (ignore the image in the infobox, that is an anime mistake. The one further down from the game is more accurate.)--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 10:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. Agreed, it should be under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode article.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 11:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Still ignoring that Six Paths Sage Mode is the crossed eyes without pigment disregarding cloak. The cloak is dependent on the seal used.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:49, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

To me, the fact Naruto's pupil are in a cross shape with no pigmentation around the eyes is proof enough he's using Six Paths Sage Mode. I agree it's weird that there are no Rinnegan and magatama on his back, but unless you want to say that Naruto can now enter Sage Mode with no pigmentation (which doesn't sound possible, according to Fukasaku), well…--JOA2020:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Naruto was in Sage Mode the chapter before and you could clearly see the pigmentation. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:22, May 22, 2015(UTC)

Did you guys ever consider that the Sage only gave Naruto Six Paths chakra. Naruto mixed that with sage mode to make Six Paths Sage Mode. That's not the chakra cloak, that's what Naruto had right before he equipped the cloak The reason the chakra cloak looks different against Madara is because he had the other tailed beasts chakra or because he only had Yin-Kurama, which altered the appearance. So since he only has full Kurama, it's just Kurama mode with Six paths sage mode activated, hence the lack of sage markings.Riptide240 (talk) 21:21, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

BumpRiptide240 (talk) 00:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

What don't people get? SPSM ISN'T the cloak, it's crossed eyes without pigment. According to databook Naruto was using that form while he kicked Madara's TSB and that was without any cloak, point is, don't look at the cloak to determine if it is or isn't SPSM since it has no relevance because it is SPSM even without any cloak.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:56, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly, and during his fight with Sasuke, Sasuke said that he was running out of the TB chakras. So now that it's been years after, he's most likely using SPSM, but his cloak is Kurama Mode since he only has full Kurama now.Riptide240 (talk) 13:06, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
No one seems to care the articles have it wrong and what the databooks say, but oh well.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
I changed it on Naruto's page but....whateverRiptide240 (talk) 15:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
@Riptide240 and you changed wrong. In chapter 692 Sage stated about TB chakra being in Naruto, so with it, your edits are no good. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Nope, look a few chapters after, Sasuke said they were beginning to fade away or that he was running out. Obviously, that was after the Sage said that so....Riptide240 (talk) 15:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
This was not about it, Sasuke compared his 8TB + half Kurama to Naruto's portions and half Kurama saing he has more and mentoned Naruto running low on chakra(not TB's overall) wich he had, you just making things up. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 17:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
No, you're ignorant. In chapter 696, Sasuke specifically says that he's running low on the chakra he recieved from the bijuus Riptide240 (talk) 18:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
So it's me ignorant lol, and not you who by simple running low on the chakra accusation(he can for exapmle run low on Kurama chakra so why he never lost - answer is simple chakra regenerates) decided that Naruto lost all TB chakra? Or even more funny wikia got rid of all TB mentions in SPSM page since we don't have any evidence of that. So you to know, you are speculating on Naruto's TB by saing he has lost it(we don't know), by your edit you create a contradiction(by saing that TB chakra affect Naruto's SPSM). And i am the one who is ignorant, seriously? ./ Rage gtx (talk) 18:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, because what happens to something that runs low?, it runs out!!!! How hard is that to understand. Not to mention that in 700+4, Kurama says your finally using ME after all this time??? How much simpler does it have to get? Not to mention that we only see Kurama in there.....noone else. Suspicious much?Riptide240 (talk) 19:07, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, this has gone on long enough now. Find something more interesting to discuss, instead of going around in circles with no end in sight. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
In the databook there is no mention of the tailed beast on the SPSM page so they have no effect on his altered appearance. You're speculating saying that the other tailed beast chakra ran out, Kurama's chakra completely ran out during the fight and he's still around.--(Kuroiraikou (talk) 21:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC))

just had a light bulb...I THINK...that this mode is six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...not all the tailed beast which he used during the 4th war [maybe the small changes are due to kurama's both halves merged after the war]...but then again it defies the six paths sage mode's definition...which is all the tailed beasts chakra + senjutsu...I dunno...I'm confused too...this mode unfortunately has more indications of the sage tailed beast mode than six paths sage mode...although I have to say I can see a circle at naruto's back...but it doesn't strike me as a rinnegan pattern...maybe it's hiding under that big chakra cloak...but the mode that naruto used when he saved guy from madara's truth fucking ball was also six paths sage mode...I think we need to make a distinction between six paths sage mode with & without TB chakra in the article...and also between six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...any thoughts?.. --DARK ZERO--talk 08:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Picture Edit

His "epilogue" picture should be updated. (Clear Waters (talk) 18:58, June 24, 2015 (UTC))

Why? --Sajuuk [Mod] 18:59, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
A word of friendly advice, if you're going to propose a picture change, provide a link of what you think is a better one, so we can really delve into whether or not a proposed one is better than the current. And anyway, I see nothing wrong with the current one.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 19:12, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Tailed beast skills Edit

Does Naruto just have all of them by default, and why if he's never used them? I mean things like Wisdom Wolf Decay. --Chaosattractor (talk) 00:46, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto's used its acid/alkali in his Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:43, July 1, 2015 (UTC)

Naruto and poison Edit

Does it seem like Naruto gets poisoned way to often. He has been poisoned at least four times.

1. food poisoning from expired milk. 2. the demon brothers poison gauntlet cutting him. 3. Naruto getting bitten by the venomous fish in the second shippunin movie. 4. Naruto getting cut by sakura's poison kunai.

did i miss any?--Guyver92 (talk) 18:32, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

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