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== Unknow Jutsu ==
 
What is the Jutsu that Naruto still hasn't completed yet? I know Jiraiya told him not to do it and when he got the Key to the Seal he was told he could complete it now. {{unsigned|74.233.29.63}}
 
   
It's the tailed beast ball? Right?
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== Fire Release Nature Type ==
[[Special:Contributions/166.147.89.155|166.147.89.155]] ([[User talk:166.147.89.155|talk]]) 02:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with [[Gamabunta]]. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
:It's not the Tailed Beast Ball as Killer Bee tried to teach him that. We currently don't know what it is as it's not named on [[That Technique| this page]]. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 03:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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:Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Pretty sure Jiraiya told him 'not to use that power', i.e Kurama's chakra. About all we know about this unknown technique is that Minato created it, laying the foundation on which Jiraiya and Naruto would further develop it, and that to use it Naruto had to first gain control of Kurama's chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 04:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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So can anyone actually answer my questions...? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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*He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his [[Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan]] technique. So yea...it's what Naruto '''''does''''' with the chakra the beasts provided him. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::At first I was asking. Now I am telling. '''Enough'''. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. '''Now'''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Usuratonkachi ==
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Just chill?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
Can 'Usuratonkachi' be included in the infobox? Just wondering. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 00:57, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Whut's thaaat?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:50, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
He is just trolling... it's what Sasuke used to call Naruto, a useless clumsy idiot/dumbass. I don't think we should list that as his title/nickname lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
:But Sakura and Ino had nicknames like Dekorin (forehead girl) and Ino-buta (Ino-pig) respectively. So why not Naruto? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:53, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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:When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Trying to come up with a good anti-argument... O_O someone help me, I had no idea till now that Sakura and Ino have those things in their infobox--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
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Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release technique[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
:If that was used more than once, and exclusively to Naruto (unlike, let's say, "scaredy cat", which both Sasuke and Naruto called each other at some point), and if it's properly referenced, fine by me. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
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:And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::If you're referring to the '[[Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough]]' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== cleanup idea ==
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== Yin-Yang Release ==
It's pointless to have [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki#Jinch.C5.ABriki_Transformations this] when a redirect to [[Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms]] would be more than enough, don't you think? Why to have noted the same thing twice?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball
:Removing it completely won't be right... Maybe we could shorten it more.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release.
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So we got two options
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1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
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2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )
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Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .{{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
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:TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
::Yep, shortening. "As a host of Kurama, the Nine-Tails, Naruto benefits from this and that, refer to his jinchuriky transformations article for more information" or something akin to that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
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I've just edited them right now {{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
:::One line and repetition of the {{tlx|main}}?
 
:::It should have atleast a paragraph of '''good quality''', ''maybe'' similar to what is in its Relationships section.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
Yes, that was just an example that I have used. That goes for jinchuriky section. Overall, his whole abilities section should be streamlined. For example, I don't think we should note him making a Rasengan without Shadow Clones or two of them at once WITH Kurama's chakra (this should stay purely in host forms article) the reason for this is because everyone with Kurama's chakra can do things they couldn't before. It's not Naruto's own skill--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Correction to many pages ==
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Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
The correction I am speaking of is the Drilling Air Bullets listed under ninjutsu that Naruto can use. It says it is only used in a game. I think they are talking about Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3, where he can use Wind Release: Air Bullets, not Drilling Air Bullets. It should be changed to such, since the Naruto, Drilling Air Bullets, and Air Bullet page are all incorrect. I am not sure how to change it, so I am posting this so someone else will. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 02:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:The customisable wind technique Naruto can use in that game actually is Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet, the kanji are the same. The reason it shows in Naruto's infobox is due to a software but in the extension used to make the infoboxes, something not easily fixable from our end. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
Sorry to correct you, but I have the game on right now and it is Wind Release: Air Bullets. There is a separate page for air bullets. the only one who uses the drilling air bullet is the one tails. BUT since you say it is difficult to change, I won't ask you to correct it. Just please realize that it is in fact on the wrong page. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 05:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:And if you would bother looking at the article on that technique, you would see that Air Bullet is how the name of this technique was translated in English, for example, on TV. We add different translations if they differ between themselves. I have seen screenshots of the game in Japanese, and the kanji are the same. There's a reason we go to lengths to have the kanji of techniques, so we can get proper translations. Viz does a good job on dialogue, but the name of stuff sometimes gets change so instead of accuracy, it's either better sounding or simpler to understand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:47, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
ok lets just mention pure logic. which is more likely: naruto using a technique that only the one tails can use or the one that is listed as a wind style jutsu that could technically be learned by anyone? come on. if you dont understand that there is a page for wind style air bullets here it is. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Air_Bullets simple enough. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:23, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:That is an unnamed technique article. When manga or anime shows a technique without naming it, we create the article on the technique using a descriptive, generic name for it. That article in question was created when Nagato used that in an anime exclusive sequence, in March, last year. The game in which Naruto used the technique was released in 2009. And also, I should remind you: Naruto used the technique ''in a game''. If you search for the kanji for other custom techniques from that game we also have articles on, specifically "雷遁・雷震閃" and "水遁・大鉄砲玉", you will find sites that list the kanji for custom jutsu certain characters can use. Among them, you will see the kanji for Shukaku's Wind Release technique. And to put the final nail on this topic: [http://bbs.tgbus.com/thread-770711-1-1.html here is a thread] in a forum, with screenshots of the game in Japanese (the forum is in Chinese, the screenshots are in Japanese). In the second image below the character selection screen, where custom jutsu are selectable, you will see the kanji for that Wind Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
It can have the same kanji and still have a different meaning. the names are so similar that they would probably have the same one. i dont know much about the japanese language, but this is the case with basically every language ever. but thats all i feel like arguing on this one case. Try not to base your whole argument on only one thing. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
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In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Taijutsu benchmark ==
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Why was Yin Yang Release added back to Naruto's page? [[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 22:29, September 11, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
So, looking through some recent changes to the article, I noticed someone readded a sentence to Naruto's taijutsu section, mentioning his taijutsu performance against Itachi. I know Itachi is great and all, but since when does he figure as a taijutsu benchmark? Itachi hardly has any taijutsu feats to reliably make him something to compare taijutsu aptitude with. If you want to go with databooks stats, yes he's skilled, but so is Orochimaru in genjutsu. I recall removing something like that last year. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Sharingan user + high taijutsu score = fast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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== Actual age ==
   
High taijutsu score means skill, not power. Sharingan itself isn't speed, just perception. I get the speed argument though, but those are not quite the arguments to make for it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?[[User:FirstDrellSpectre|FirstDrellSpectre]] ([[User talk:FirstDrellSpectre|talk]]) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
Naruto's taijutsu is certainly above average, just look at people like Shikamaru, Ino and pretty much his peers, I'm yet to see them do some serious taijutsu fight... the only capable are Lee, Choji, Sakura, Hinata and perhaps Kiba (R.I.P. Neji) and the only one who can equal him in terms of physical strength and speed is Lee. But not to talk only about strength and speed, his fighting style/technique also matters... he knows frog punches and kicks and ****
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== Flight Technique ==
Being equal in taijutsu to not-ill Itachi who has a Sharingan thus can follow and predict movements speaks for itself alone, but if that's not enough for ya, then take into consideration the above as well, so... Oh, he also managed to keep up with Pain in his base mode for a short while and deflected Sasuke's kunai meant to kill Sakura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
I'm not trying to downplay Naruto's taijutsu, I'm just saying that comparing it to Itachi's doesn't feel like the way to sell it. It's like saying pizza is good because the dough is tasty. Pizza is good, but dough isn't what gives it flavour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
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How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--[[User:Solidedub|Solidedub]] ([[User talk:Solidedub|talk]]) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
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:There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tabs in articles ==
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:I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
I have an idea about having tabs ('Introduction', 'History', and 'Abilities') for long character articles (i.e. Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, etc.), like these examples ([http://es.naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki], [http://aonoexorcist.wikia.com/wiki/Rin_Okumura], and [http://toriko.wikia.com/wiki/Toriko]). What do you guys think? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::It's there, just click on "jutsu"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
I like this idea.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 22:58, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
:Glad you like! The only thing is that I don't how to get it done. Anybody know how? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 01:09, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Nope, not here either. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
::When you mentioned tabs, I thought it had something to do with the tabber extension we use for tabbed images in infoboxes, but from what I can glance at, what those sites did was simply a fancier version of what we do with archives. It's a sub-page of an article, created in it's namespace (for example, "Naruto Uzumaki/Abilites" and "Naruto Uzumaki/History"). Same thing anyone in this wiki has done to make a personal sandbox or page. ShounenSuki's translation pages, my elemental recomposition table, it's pretty much the same, but done in our user namespaces. They're completely separate articles. Basically, we'd do what we did to jinchūriki transformations to a much bigger part of the article, and then add a fancy template with links to it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:25, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Consider performing null edits on both this page and [[Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki]]. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
::Why do we need tabs? We already have a TOC for easy navigation and if you think size is a problem, you can make sections collapsible.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:29, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I still prefer tabs. Anyone else? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 05:14, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Not too sure what I think about this, not a fan of the whole tabber because from an editor's point of view, it's a lot more to manage but conversely, it's supposed to help persons who take longer to load pages right? At the same time, it is really that hampering that it requires this? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:34, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::No, it isn't that hampering. I can load the entire [[Naruto]] page within a minute even from a very slow connection from my mobile. And thats the reason why collapsibles exist in the first place.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 06:57, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::A tabbed article using the <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> code would actually be a good idea imo. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:12, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
<small>(Reset indent) </small>Using <nowiki><tabber></nowiki> won't do any good. The page would have to load fully and then it would be converted into tabs. It would only disturb the flow and format of the article and defeat the purpose of TOC.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 12:01, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Naruto has Gyuki's chakra? ==
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== Sensor Type ==
It has recently come to my attention that in chapter 496, when Gyuki tried to pull Kurama's chakra from it, the fox sliced off Gyuki's tentacles and absorbed back not only its chakra, but some of Gyuki's as well. Even in the shippuden episode 245 had displayed that. Does that mean Naruto already has Gyuki's chakra? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 10:08, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I've always considered that he had. If it's not mentioned in the article, it's probably to play it on the safe side. Also, avoid links. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
You are forgetting that Gyuki was present during the fist bumping party as well, it didn't require Kishi to draw a panel of it telling Naruto it's name since he knows already. He has chakra of 8 tailed beasts, Shukaku's is missing, unless he managed to absorb some of it's chakra during the forehead incident with Gaara in Part I. ;D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:22, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
:We have seen Naruto and B fist bump and stuff, but Gyuki didn't give him the chakra personally through a fist bump, he might have already gotten it by accident as I mentioned it from above (there were other tentacles lying about in Naruto's subconscious in chapter 497 and Kurama might have absorbed them after the fight in chapter 499). Plus, Naruto hasn't even said Gyuki's name, only its nickname "Hattsuan" in chapter 598 page 6 (its real name only appeared within Kurama's flashbacks of the Sage of the Six Paths), so we STILL don't know if he already knows. Naruto didn't recieve Shukaku's chakra nor did it give some to him willingly; besides it still hasn't come to terms with Naruto like the other tailed beasts had yet. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 23:48, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
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:He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tools ==
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Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
OK first off he never owned Chakra blades. Asuma lent him his once so that shouldn't be their. and second when did he ever use a sword? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:14, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
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: For once I agree with Elve. ''How'' Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as ''how'' he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he ''literally'' has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
He trained using one. But you may be refering to the one that He used in the 4th Shippūden Movie. Though I can't remember when He wielded a sword at the moment.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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== Boil Release? ==
   
I've never seen the 4th movie so I'll have to take your word for it. but what about the chakra blades? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 18:47, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
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I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
: What do mean "what about the Chakra Blades"? I just said He used Asuma's for training a little in the Manga, and for like 3 episodes in the Anime. He used them enough and (eventually) showed enough skill with them, for Him to be list as a user of them. In the 4th Shippūden Movie He also used a special type of Chakra Blade, which He also showed skill with. I dunno when He used a Sword.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 20:08, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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:I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, like I said I've never seen the fourth movie. I thought you were just talking about the sword. ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:13, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
 
::There's an archived discussion about that somewhere, don't recall if in the tool, character or episode. I don't recall the reasoning behind it, but it was obviously decided not to list him. If I had to guess, maybe something about the way he used it. We don't list B as a Kubikiribocho because of something like that as well. And we waited until Kakashi had actually used to sword to list him as well. It's not just a you touched it, you wielded it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:05, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
You sure Omni sensei? So why is Gaara listed as a user of [[Johyo]] ???--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:34, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
:That's only a guess, I remember the discussion, not the details of it. And anyway, as a user pointed out in an edit summary, Naruto used the blades in an OVA, so that counts as anime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:38, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a [[Talk:Matchless Superhuman Strength|discussion]] already --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm talking about the sword, I'm okay with blades. Just realized it's game only and as we know erroneously showing up in his infobox while it shouldn't I guess.
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I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
Thought he held one in anime/ova for a second and as a response to ur "holding =/= using" I wrote the above and questioned Gaara's usage of that rope since he only demonstrated it, never attacked anyone (I think) and that brings another topic, should Gaara be listed as a user of [[Johyo]] at all? It looked more like gymnastics to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:00, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
: If he had the skill to instruct someone on it's use and demonstrate, he should be listed. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 16:04, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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==Yang Seal==
::Gaara shouldn't be listed as a Johyo user, he's listed as such? Great, now I have to periodically click "expand" in the tool use section of infoboxes to see if someone is a user of something they shouldn't be. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:16, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? {{Unsigned|Officialkamuiblade}}
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:Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
So if I hold a sword and swing without managing to cut myself in the process, does that make me a Kenjutsu specialist? They are ninja, fast reflexes and precise movements, what he did could be done with laces if he wanted or a jump rope
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Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- [[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]]
EDIT: @Omni, glad u agree--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:21, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Chakra Flow ==
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It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't Chakra Flow be counted as a Jutsu? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC))
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==Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage Technique==
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On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::^Yeah, I need a source for that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
No. Just like how Shape Transformation and Genjutsu aren't Jutsu, neither is Chakra Flow. It is a type of Jutsu.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:33, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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I did then, now I know.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:And for that knowledge I need a source. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Says who? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Naruto's list of Ninja feats ==
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The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
1.Naruto first master Multi Shadow Clone Jutsu, a Jonin-Level Jutsu, the closest thing to that was Sasuke's Chunin-Level Fireball Jutsu.
 
2.He nexted defeated Haku of the Mist who was probably an ANBU-Level Shinobi.
 
3.He qualified for the Chunin Exam one semester after his Academy Graduation.
 
4.Naruto also managed to defeat one of Orochimaru's giant snakes with his bare hands.
 
5.He defeated Kiba, a taijutsu base oppenent, with taijutsu, despite the fact his chakra was sealed by the Five Prong Seal on his Eight Sign Seal. He summoned Gamabunta a Kage-Level summon.
 
6.He master the Water Walking Skill in less than an hour.
 
7.He defeated Neji Hyuga who was considered a genius by Hyuga standards.
 
8.He defeated Gaara who was easily Jonin-Level and a full-powered Jinchuriki.
 
9.He held his own against Kimimaro who was Orochimaru's strongest agent
 
10.he defeated Kabuto Yakushi. 11?.He managed to cause an injury to Jiraiya which was almost fatel, one of two Jiraiya has ever had. 12.He managed to defeat Itachi Uchiha's Shapeshifting Clone.
 
13.He nearly knocked out Deidara of Akatsuki.
 
14.He almost beat Orochimaru.
 
15.He master Wind Release in less than two weeks, and completed a S-Rank Kinjutsu during that time.
 
16.He killed Kakuzu of Akatsuki twice over and paralyzed him.
 
17.He trained and master Sage Mode in a fraction of the time it took Jiraiya and mastered it better than he did.
 
18.He defeated Pain of Akatsuki, with some help, a shinobi who destroyed the Leaf Village.
 
19.He master the Nine-Tails and single-handedly saved the Allied Shinobi Forces from defeat and he managed to defeat the Third Raikage using only a Shadow Clone. 20.He also outpaced Ay making him the fastest shinobi alive.
 
21.He defeated Six Reanimated Jinchuriki with the Tailed Beasts by himself as well as managed to de-mask Tobi. He also managed to hold his own against Edo Tensei Madara Uchiha.
 
   
Overall Naruto is far more accomplished than any of the Konoha 11 to the point where there is just no comparison and he could probably defeat them all by himself. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== New title ==
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He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --[[User:Youngjusticeplayer007|Youngjusticeplayer007]] ([[User talk:Youngjusticeplayer007|talk]]) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
This is not a forum board.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:12, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Stockholm Syndrome ==
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Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, forgot, take it off if you want. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 04:17, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
We should update the stats of the characters. Like Naruto, surely he has improved! Others too!
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== Should this be stated somewhere? ==
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Hagoromo not only gave his powers but Juubi powers as well, after they received the powers Naruto could manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Fly while Sasuke awakened a unique Rinnegan. Only Jinchuriki of the Juubi can manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Naruto possesses the chakra of all nine Bijuu while Sasuke's Rinnegan is red with six tomoe. The unique form of Sasuke's Rinnegan is due to Juubi influence.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 19:30, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:The Ten-Tails is a culmination of all nine Tailed Beasts. Naruto contains portions of all nine beasts. Do the math... and Sasuke's Rinnegan ain't red. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 19:32, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
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I am aware of both of your statements, but they must have some Ten-Tails influence.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 19:50, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:You were aware of both my statements and yet you explicitly mentioned Sasuke's Rinnegan being red? That doesn't sound dubious at all. Now, in a way I guess you could say the powers they gained do have Ten-Tails influence, but that's simply due to what the Ten-Tails is. The Ten-Tails was the original Tailed Beast and is a manifestation of Kaguya, the first possessor of the Rinnegan. So yeah, I guess you could say they are related, but only for those reasons. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 19:54, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
22:37, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Of course they do and there's no reason to state the obvious. Hagoromo got his chakras from Kaguya who is the Ten-Tails, so him lending people chakra equals him lending Ten-Tails' chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:56, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Nope because we only ever update the stats when the databooks come out, the databooks are officially written by masashi kishimoto and he's the one who writes extra Info about characters and thats why we sometimes add references on pages, so I know this Isn't a forum and that you were only suggesting yes Naruto has Improved but we don't update them until the next databook Is released --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 22:41, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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Should it be stated somewhere?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:25, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization [[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:There's no reason to do so. All the power Naruto and Sasuke got was from Hagoromo, and the nine Tailed Beasts in Naruto's case. if anything, Kaguya's power was given to them, but... there's just no reason to get technical. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 21:36, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Naruto's KCM Body Flicker ==
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== sections split ==
   
I think it should be probably stated on Naruto's article that he did in fact use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, and here's why.
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I now this has been discussed already, but I've come to agree that it would be good to split it a little bit. It takes too long for the page to load and will take even longer before the series is over. Perhaps a separate article for his abilities or so--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
We all know that the Body Flicker Technique is a high speed movement technique, in which a ninja uses their '''chakra''' to increase their speed to phenomenal levels, so with Naruto being Nine-Tails '''Chakra''' Mode, a mode that uses the Nine-Tails' '''chakra''', it would make perfect sense as to why he gains an increase in speed because it would have to be from Body Flicker.
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[[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 13:09, August 9, 2014 (UTC) Is this why they didnt display the full list of Naruto's powers and jutsu ? Cuz now the eruption power is missing and the acid creation and steam creation still not added...
   
Another example is Naruto's fight with the Fourth Raikage. Think about it, in the beginning if he couldn't even get past The Fourth Raikage's Lv.1 speed, then how was Naruto able to completely dodge the Raikage's Lv.2 speed punch a few moments later?
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Tabs would be nice, like the ones the One Piece wikia uses.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:08, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't know about that, when I looked at other wikis using that style seemed awkward. Maybe I'm just used to the style here... --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:07, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
He had to have used the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:24, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Can this finally be unlocked? ==
   
Yes, cause you just said the obvious, if it isn't stated then I just don't know why. Chakra Mode just increases the effectiveness of his body flicker, the cloak by itself gives him a speed boost but an ordinary one. All high-speed movements in the series are a result of body flicker, except stated otherwise, an other technique that does this would be eight gates.
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Especially since the new chapter has been released?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
It works for A the same, he has to use body flicker along with lightning release armor to achieve full speed, without the former, his attacks can be dodged like Sasuke did for example at close range--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:31, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:Specify first what you would like to add that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:36, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well in that case, it should properly stated on Naruto's article that he can use the Body Flicker in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:36, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai ==
   
That's like stating what color grass is. He can do it outside of the modes as well, bf is a generic technique almost everyone in the series knows. It should be only stated that he used it in those yellow flash/speed of light instances to make it clear--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:42, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Whgy we don't add Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai to Naruto Uzumaki even thought it can be considered a tailed beast skills
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In Madara's case his third eye (rinnegan) is a tailed beast skill due to being the jinchuriki of the ten tailed beast
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However it still a kekkei genkai
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:Because he doesn't have the genetical anomaly that is the basis for the Kekkei Genkai. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:09, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
Since when has Naruto moved at amazing speeds in his base form? According to the recent databooks, his base form speed is a 3.5, that's like around Tsunade's speed and we all know that she's really slow.--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 18:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:To add on to what Seel said, Kekkei literally means 'bloodline'. If it isn't in ''his'' blood, it ain't his Kekkei Genkai.--[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:08, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Rinnegan can be achieved my merger of two chakras and isn't in the bloodline, yet we label it kkg :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Because it was labeled as a KKG in the last databook. I think it's still somewhat a KKG because you most likely(?) need the Sharingan for it... probably... I hate this manga. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:13, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Remember, it isn't just chakra, it requires fully integrated cells from a Senju and the eyes of an Uchiha. It isn't so simple as a chakra donation from tailed beast(s). It becomes a part of their body. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:17, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Except it doesn't requires cells or eyes, but chakras of Ashura and Indra merged.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:18, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::You need Hagoromo's chakra (Made from Indra and Asura's) and the EMS to awaken the Rinnegan, not just Hagoromo's chakra alone. Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra, but didn't get a Rinnegan because he didn't have the EMS. You need the EMS & Indra and Asura's chakras (To bring forth Hagoromo's)/Or just plain Hagoromo's chakra in Sasuke's case to awaken the Rinnegan. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 14:53, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
The stats show natural abilities/prowess, not taking into consideration techniques. Sakura has "only" 3 in strength and can shatter ground. And Naruto used body flicker many times, like kicking Gaara into the face or intervening with Sasuke's "kill the most useless character with a kunai" attempt--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:47, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Isn't the Sharingan in itself already Indra's chakra though?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:23, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:I wouldn't say that. Yes, the Uchiha are Indra's descendants, but only Indra's reincarnations have his chakra. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:27, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::His descendants have diluted version of his chakra though. Remember, we were told that Indra inherited the Sage's eyes, meaning the chakra Indra inherited is the Sharingan--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:29, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Perhaps it is Body Flicker or perhaps it is Flying Thunder God Technique, the point is, we don't know at this stage... I remember that there was at one stage a big debate whether Naruto knows FTGT, but according to the users that took part in the debate, that has been proven false. However, I do think a new jutsu page must be created for Naruto's enhanced Chakra Mode speed, perhaps called "Nine Tails Enhanced Speed" or "Chakra Mode Enhanced Speed" or something along that line. Look at other jutsus that wasn't named in the manga or anime like [[Negative Emotions Sensing]], [[Tailed Beast Telepathy]] or [[Twin Rasenshuriken]]. There are more, but I'm just giving some examples. I don't think Naruto's high speed is either BF or FTGT, but probably a new classifation under Tailed Beast skill. His speed was just as great as FTGT, so it probably deserves it's own justu page (like other unnamed justu pages), that is just how I feel. After all, even Shisui Uchiha's article got special treatment, because he had mastered BF better then any other ninja. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 10:05, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== Do we add the elements of the gudoudama or no ? ==
   
Jesus... Naruto doesn't know Hirashin, that's a space-time technique, Naruto doesn't teleport just move fast. And what he does is body flicker, just because with Kurama chakra it's faster doesn't mean it deserves it's own article, because with that logic we would also have to do "chakra mode: rasengan" "chakra mode: shadow clone technique" and for every ****--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:28, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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This page is changing alot with edits and undo... either he has the elements of the gudoudama or not ?[[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 19:12, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
:Wow, OK first of Elveonora, I have to ask: what is your problem with me? First you took me on about the Tailed Beast Mode Naruto colour image I uploaded, because, and I quote you "Cause it's not an official image" (go read my talk page) which has later been deducted as false, cause it is in fact official. Another example was when I left a message on Cerez's talk page "Little request!!" I felt like your comment was mocking, but I let it slide for my sake. But now your crude language towards me. It feels like your undermining me and I don't like it. I have done nothing towards you that justifies your attitude towards me. Secondly, I NEVER said Naruto knows FTGT. I said there was a debate, but I never said he knew it. Please read my statements before you go and saying stuff like "Jesus" to me!! I am not stupid... I feel if every unnamed technique gets it's own page, then why does this particular technique not? [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 17:19, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:No.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::They've been re-added back by Sajuuk tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:39, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Then get rid of it again.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::::You might wanna lock the infobox after they've been removed @TU3. We don't need that madness to start. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:57, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Lol, I don't care about you whatsoever in a negative but nor a positive way, just chill, you just are and I exist too, no feelings. Don't take the way I talk as personal, that's just my style. Sorry about the image, that's long concluded from the moment it was clarified as official. Also debates "what if, maybe" belong to a forum, because we KNOW it wasn't a Hirashin, thus pointless to even be hypothetical. If you aren't stupid, then you might have missed the answer to that one, because body flicker is still body flicker (and already has an article) there is no "this particular technique"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== Age?!?!?1ß ==
   
No hard feelings then... But I still don't quite agree with it just being a normal Body Flicker. Shisui got special treatment in regards to Body Flicker. Naruto beat Ay's [[Lightning Straight]] with, I feel, an advanced Nine Tails enchanced BF, as did his father with Hirashin (again, I am not saying that Naruto used Hirashin). And with all due respect said, as I said in my above argument, I have seen some jutsus on this wiki that I never had any idea was even a jutsu, and that they have even been named by the admins (you know those jutsus that display in ''italic'' on a character's jutsu page). All I'm saying is, if they get a page, why isn't something that is faster than Ay's Lightning Straight, being left in the dark? And I hear what you are saying, just hear my argument out too... [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 16:03, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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The chapter's been out for like forEVER, why isn't he being listed as 17 yet? ugh -.- [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 11:13, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:Ur pants are wet aren't they. Anyway, done--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:39, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::The box was locked for me. :O • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:49, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
For all we know, Shisui used an ordinary body flicker, it was simply likely his signature ability just like shadow clones are for Naruto, that's why the "special" treatment, as he was known for it and it was a part of his fighting style--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:10, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Can someone unlock this page so that we could add the elements ? ==
   
== Melded Chakra ==
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You know since Kishi said its not wood... it was water... i think its obivous that gudoudama has all 5 elements and the yin&yang thus it needs to be added [[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 19:36, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Should we refer to the chakra used during Tailed Beast mode as a combination of Naruto and Kurama's chakra? Because that's what it is, right? So Naruto is giving not only Kurama's chakra during the Chakra Transfer Technique, but also his own.{{unsigned|65.188.41.37}}
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== So just as I was saying ==
   
No, there's no reason for him to give off his own chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:49, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Naruto isn't a jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts, just a pseudo-jinchuuriki. The only reason they are able to appear inside of him and talk is [[Tailed Beast Telepathy]]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well that is true, but that is what he is doing anyway, isn't it? It definitely seems that way in the diagram that was shown when Kurama was explaining the process. His chakara is melded with Naruto's and Naruto shares that melded chakara. Especially since (well I'm naturally assuming) their chakara shrouds are orange, it must be the melded chakara. After all, when a few characters sense Naruto's Tailed Beast Mode Chakara, those being Orochimaru, Sasuke, that Cloud Ninja, and Minato, they say that Naruto's chakara is apart of it. I think Naruto is sharing the melded chakara.
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He should be labelled as such.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 12:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well, I can also see reason to leave it the way it is. Both things are said by several characters. So I guess it could be left alone...{{unsigned|65.188.41.37}}
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So will the responsible finally accept responsibility, admit having done a mistake and remove all that nonsense?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
That's not what the diagram was showing. All he does is changes Kurama chakra's signature into his own and then into other people's when he transfers that. Meaning that it's like if they were using their own, but with power of the fox.
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:Two things really.
In TBM it's melded chakra, but not Naruto's own, but the extracted QB chakra turned Narutoish with original QB chakra, there's absolutely no reason for why he would waste his very own since he can cheat it this way. He would run out of chakra in no time the way you suggest. Also please, sign your comments, I won't do it for you again --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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:*1st, I don't think it was just Telepathy because that doesn't explain how the tailed beasts, which where jumbled together as the Ten-Tails could even kind of be separate enough to give Naruto access to their abilities but still be under the complete control of the Ten-Tails for that to kind of makes sense or why they only started doing such things when Naruto met Hagoromo?
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:*2nd, even if so, what exactly would change in the article? Unless you want to take out the stuff we've seen Naruto do which oh lord no.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:18, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::The Tailed Beasts don't get merged inside the Gedo Mazo, they are there separate and are drained of their chakra. Just change him being their jinchuurii in his infobox to pseudo-jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:23, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They were a giant ball of chakra, how is that not merging o.O. And I'm still on the fence about just accepting a pseudo-jinchūriki status, mainly because Minato still yells at me and I know your opinion on that so don't bother repeating it again here. Other people's opinion on the matter please.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hmm, you seem to know so I will take your word for it. But what is TBB? And QB (Kyuubi?)? [[Special:Contributions/65.188.41.37|65.188.41.37]] ([[User talk:65.188.41.37|talk]]) 18:02, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
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On second thought, Hagoromo's direct comparison between Naruto and Kaguya and his comment about their chakra seeping in to Naruto's (we'll need raws) throws me off. That, and the TSB just makes me think he's a pseudo Jūbi jinchūriki, though I suppose that would make him a pseudo jinchūriki by default. I dunno, I think we should wait until we at least have the raws.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 13:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
My bad, TBR = tailed beast mode, and yes, QB stands for kyubi--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:43, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
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He was considered a Jinchhuriki while having only half of Kurama, the same goes for Minato. This chapter gave us bold letters that he just has Chakra of other TB. So, yes a pseudo for 1-tail to 8-tail, while being a Jinchuuriki for Kurama only.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 13:36, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Benchmarks Should Be updated==
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Another thing that throws me off is the fact Hagoromo said Naruto would serve as some kind of meeting place for the bijū, like a communications hub or something. I made me think of the place place where Naruto met with Hagoromo and the nine beasts, when Hagoromo stated that line about the "blue eyed child that will call the nine bijū by their names and play with them" or whatever it was, something along those lines.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 13:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Naruto skill has improved a lot and cannot be in the sorry state of 26. His taijutsu is quite good able to knock down anyone who stands in his path in one hit. His genjutsu is acceptable but should be increased as now he wont be affected by it due to his and kurama's "friendship". His speed benchmark is what is wrong. His speed is at extreme levels and cannot be put up with. His intelligence in concepts and stuff are not quite good but his intelligence in diversion and tactics using his shadow clones is impressive.
 
   
Theses benchmarks need to be updated. {{unsigned|58.146.115.94}}
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Considering the very same Tailed Beasts that were freed and subsequently captured and moved into the sky inside of giant boulders are supposed to meet inside of Naruto while being in the wild, them being inside of him was all along just that. Only their chakras are inside of Naruto and they simply can appear telepathically/mentally whatever there. EDIT: their "presence" inside of Naruto is no different than Hagoromo's was, really--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:50, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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: Did you fail to consider that when the tailed beast chakra's were pulled out of Obito, who was the Juubi's jinchūriki, the portion of Gyūki stored within became a second Gyūki? Go back and read that chapter. Who's to say that isn't what happened with Naruto? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 14:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::Which is part of my problem and why I am hesitant to go with the "pseudo" thing. Like I keep saying, the fact that an entirely different Kurama existed within Minato is bothersome.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::: People in the series considered Naruto a jinchhuriki with half a TB only, the same goes for Minato. But the same doesn't goes for the 1-Tail to 8-Tail In Naruto. Hagoromo would have said that you're a Jinchuuriki of all TB if he wanted, but he didn't, he just said that Naruto has Chakra from all TB.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 14:30, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Then convince Kishimoto to publish another databook. Databooks stats come from databooks, we don't make those up. Seriously, how can people not know that? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:03, April 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Gyūki wasn't divided in Yin and Yang though. The entire situation is strange to say the least. I say we hold off of making any changes for now. Maybe the raws or subsequent chapters will shed some light.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 14:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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: ....And? That's the point. A mere tentacle of Gyūki was in the Ten-Tails when Obito was the jinchūriki and when it was pulled out, there were literally two Gyūki standing right beside each other. The chakra inside of Naruto is conscious enough to both give him aid and hold conversations with him and Hagoromo. Furthermore, @Mercurious, that is a ridiculous notion. Naruto had a full half of Kurama within him, which you lot say is enough to make him (and Minato) a jinchūriki, and Hagoromo simply said he had all their chakra within him. So does that mean, by your definition and logic, Naruto isn't a jinchūriki of any of them? Don't be ridiculous. This chapter hasn't disproved anything we've added up until now. Minato is the crux in this argument. If he's a jinchūriki for having only half of a tailed beast inside him (same goes for Naruto), the Naruto is a jinchūriki for having a portion of them (we don't know how much) inside of him. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:: That's not my point. Naruto was called a Jinchuuriki, while he had a half tailed beast only. Minato is no different than Naruto. If Naruto a Jinchuuriki, then Minato is. Kinkaku was never called a Jinchuuriki, yet he had a TB chakra within him. That is the difference between Jinchuuriki and the so-called pseudo. Does he need to be the Jinchuuriki of all nine if he has their Chakra. Hagoromo could have said that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki of all Nine, but he didn't. He said that Naruto had their Chakra.
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If you'll talk about them having a consciousness then pretty much it's the so called place of meeting. He said that you all will be able to communicate with each other. But if Naruto has a different nine TB then those communicating will be different, and that's ridiculous. In any case, that's not important I guess. You guys went and listed Obito as Jinchuuriki for Shukaku and Gyuuki, of course you would do the same for Naruto. Btw, you mentioned B, B is alive because he has one tail worth of Chakra from Gyuuki, does this mean that he has a different TB than the Gyuuki inside the TT?--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 16:08, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Genin-Level Shinobi? ==
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For the last time I'm gonna bother put emphasis on this, but Kurama having been split into Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama by Shiki Fujin isn't the same as being given a part of someone's chakra. There are literary two whole Kurama's, there are only one each of the other 8 Tailed Beasts though. They haven't been cloned, Hagoromo said that they can meet up inside of Naruto when they want, not that their clones will always be with Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:10, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Should we still say 'genin-level shinobi'? He is a genin, but definitely not genin level.
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== kekkei mora ==
   
Yes, because he officially is still Genin-leveled, even though he has far surpassed normal ninja.
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Are you guys even remotely serious? It's not him molding the natures, the Tailed Beasts phantoms are. When people wanted to add Naruto as kekkei genkai user, it was removed, because "it is tailed beast skill, not genetic" and yet, kekkei mora gets added even though it's same as kekkei genkai just the highest level? Makes sense "sarcasm"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:55, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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The whole Kekkei part of it is confusing as hell. Aside from Hagoromo (and Hamura I would say), who had TSB before becoming a jinchūriki and was thus likely born with it, no one else gained it naturally.
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*Kaguya fused with the Shinju.
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*Obito and Madara became Jūbi jinchūriki.
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*Naruto has all the TB chakra so he's the same as them to a significant degree.
   
How about genin-ranked then? Since it explains that he is genin rank, not genin ninja level? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 08:49, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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I find the term confusing as hell. It shouldn't be considered Bloodline-anything, and yet it is called that.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 14:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, kekkei tota can be taught, so there's that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:31, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::Dust Release being "passed down" could mean a number of things, including that Ōnoki might have been born with 3 affinities and simply had the potential to use it and was thus taught how. I really wish Kishimoto had called it something else because Kekkei implies Naruto would have the techniques himself now that he gained all TB chakra, which I don't even know is impossible anymore since Obito was able to use his TSB (staff) after he had the Jūbi extracted from him, which could mean a number of things, including that his DNA was changed permanently to be abel to use it. Weird, I know.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, what I said was wrong, what I meant to say was ranked not level. But he still is genin rank. In terms of level, he is far superior to most, probably all genin.
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:::@Reliops especially if you look on Kaguya who ate fruit gained chakra(and all her KKG`s) and passed down them to her children through dna.///[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:15, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Very true. Hagoromo and Hamura were both seen wielding identical shakujo made from TSB material so I'm guessing they were born as pseudo jinchūriki and inherited Kekkei Mōra naturally.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
His rank is irrelevant tho, few consider him a Genin any longer, his Chunin and even Jonin friends admit him to be stronger, villagers call him Hokage material and he is not only allowed to partake in a world war, but also is an important figure without which it wouldn't be possible to win at all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:57, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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@Elve: Oh really, so Obito had kekkei mōra prior to being a jinchūriki? Madara? Hagoromo? How about Kaguya before she ate the fruit and became the progenitor of chakra? Its very clear that there is nothing genetic about kekkei mōra and the TSB. Hagoromo directly compared Naruto to Kaguya by saying that they both had all nine tailed beasts chakra inside of them, so, considering that all known containers of either the nine beasts and/or the Ten-Tails gain the TSB kekkei mōra... I'd say the Bijū are the common factor here, wouldn't you? Or are you really suggesting that Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo molded all five natures and Yin-Yang together themselves? I'll take a rain check on that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:49, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:The term basically says it's genetic tho. So Naruto shouldn't be considered a user--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
:It says genin-level because that's how the wikia decided to write it instead of saying people were genn-ranked. Semantics and bravado won't change the fact that on paper he's a genin.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:58, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm with you for the most part, Foxie, but Hagoromo had TSB before he became the Juūbi jinchūriki and Hamura also wielded a shakujo of the same substance, so I'm assuming they were both born with Kekkei Mōra, in which case, I suppose the name ''would'' make a little more sense, but then again, Indra and Ashura inherited different abilities from Hagoromo, so I guess not.
   
Yet at least in anime, Shikamaru refers to Sound Four as "Jounin level" referring to their skill/power rather than rank, so perhaps we should adapt to that and rather use "genin ranked"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:44, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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@Elveonora - genetics don't have squat to do with with it since neither Kaguya, nor Obito or Madara obtained it through genetics. Obito continued to be able to use it TSB after he lost the Jūbi, so my guess is that's Kekkei Mōra genetically alters the hosts of all nine bijū to become capable of it. That is the only logical explanation I can think of.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 16:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== possible birthday ==
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My point is that if you truly insist on him being listed as kekkei mora user then you might as well list him as kekkei genkai user and add Lava Release etc. to his list of kekkei genkai, because it's the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:And I think he should be since jinchūriki evidently retain their bijū powers even after extraction.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 18:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::But he was never their jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::: According to you and you alone. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:45, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::No, according to the author. If you deem me the author, then you are giving me too much credit--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:37, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Since I'm yet to see Road to Ninja subbed, can anyone confirm/deny if it was/wasn't a birthday celebration that he had there? The cake, stuff and all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:03, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Naruto Yin Release ==
   
== received chakra from... excluding octopus ==
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[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)Naruto's Profile[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
If I remember well, during the fist bumping party, Shukaku wasn't present. Did Kishi add Shukaku there in tankoobon or something? I don't know why you changed back my edit Cerez, stating he got chakras from 7 beasts besides Kurama is true, Shukaku included and Gyuuki excluded might be an error--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:09, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Since it's been confirmed that the truth-seeking balls have Yin-Yang release, shouldn't it say that Naruto has Yin release as well as Yang release on his profile since Yin-Yang release can only be made by both?
:No change in the volume release. Naruto having Shukaku's chakra is very plot-holey if it's not properly explained in future chapters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:52, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:No, since he shouldn't have any natures besides Wind Release in his infobox to begin with. Just Because Kaguya's Truth Seeking Balls are x natures doesn't mean so are Naruto's--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:07, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
:: It might be a huge oversight. --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 03:27, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Synchronise with Kurama==
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I knew this would come up within the day. Yes, Naruto has TSB. TSB is a Kekkei Mōra. TSB is compromised of all 5 basic elemental natures and Yin-Yang. Yin should be added to the list. But it's not going to because then Elveonora would throw a fit and the sysops are tired of it, so in the interest of avoiding that, they're not adding Yin.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 18:39, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
From the article: "Kurama noted that Naruto was the only person who could completely synchronise with its chakra, due to his Uzumaki lineage as well as being a jinchūriki since childhood". The manga translation I'm reading says kushina's blood. I interpret that as meaning since his mother was the jinchūriki during her pregnancy and since naruto has been a jinchūriki from birth. I think that unless someone comes up with a translation of page chapter 617, page 7 that says "bloodline" it should be changed. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 02:42, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Can be interpreted both ways, Uzumaki were chosen to serve and hosts for foxie cause of their qualities--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:53, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Exactly. Even though he still holds on to the ridiculous theory that naruto only nature is wind in general and his TSB. [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 19:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
::Mito wasn't chosen from what is said, she sealed it within herself to help her husband. And Kushina was selected for her special chakra chains that can bind the nine tails, not sync with it. [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 17:50, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Manga evidence support it, but whatever, go on Naruto fanboys, eat his ***, you are good at it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
:::Then it's the other, he was exposed to Kurama's chakra even before birth, making his body accustomed to it. But it's likely both, I remember Yamato stating the reason Naruto can endure it is cause his own chakra is strong--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:38, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:: Again, in your mind, and yours alone. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
:I think "Kushina's blood" and "Uzumaki lineage" mean the same thing and the reason Kurama was referring to was because the Uzumaki are descendants of the Sage of Six Paths. [[User:Loki29|Loki29]] ([[User talk:Loki29|talk]]) 23:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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::Naruto isn't the last uzumaki. the only difference between him and others are his mother was a host as well. Also the senju and uchiha are descendants as well. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 23:17, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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I have just one simple question for you Elveonora. How can one have Yin-Yang if one lacks Yin?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 01:11, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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: Read above. He doesn't believe Naruto has any other element other than wind, because apparently, he missed the last fifty chapters of the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I agree it's nonsensical to list YYR bot not Yin. In my opinion both YYR and Yang should be removed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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== Naruto Changing (Darker?) ==
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[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 01:34, September 11, 2014 (UTC)[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 01:32, September 11, 2014 (UTC)Hey guys, this is just a quick question for your own opinion so it's really not that important but what do you think of Naruto's Demeanor in the recent chapters? I mean, when you look at that panel of Naruto staring upwards after he punched black zetsu into the chibaku tensei and in the recent chapter when he looks at Sasuke after his "Revolution declaration" doesn't he seem like he's just a tad bit more darker? What do you guys think? >: ) [[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 01:32, September 11, 2014 (UTC)[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 01:34, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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this isnt the appropriate place to ask this question. try making a seperate discussion thread for it. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 01:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 03:13, September 11, 2014 (UTC)I kinda think it is Munchtec because the question itself relates to whether or not someone should edit Naruto's Personality article
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nah. i dont think it's really needed. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 03:15, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 03:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC) well the article is already here so you might as well tell us what you think of the question :)
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it's really not needed. add it if u want to but it will be reverted by someone other then myself. no offense though. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 03:24, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Foremost, I suggest you to fix your signature--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:35, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

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Fire Release Nature Type Edit

I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with Gamabunta. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. Banan14kab 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--Elveonora (talk) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

So can anyone actually answer my questions...? Banan14kab 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

  • He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--Elveonora (talk) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--Elveonora (talk) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan technique. So yea...it's what Naruto does with the chakra the beasts provided him. Banan14kab 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
At first I was asking. Now I am telling. Enough. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. Now.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just chill?--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release techniqueActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
If you're referring to the 'Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. Atrix471 (talk) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yin-Yang Release Edit

I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release. So we got two options

   1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
   2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )

Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .—This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--Elveonora (talk) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I've just edited them right now —This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Why was Yin Yang Release added back to Naruto's page? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:29, September 11, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Actual age Edit

Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--Elveonora (talk) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Flight Technique Edit

How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--Solidedub (talk) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something HellHawkX (talk) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
It's there, just click on "jutsu"--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? HellHawkX (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Nope, not here either. Atrix471 (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Consider performing null edits on both this page and Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sensor Type Edit

For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? Banan14kab 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. Banan14kab 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--Elveonora (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

For once I agree with Elve. How Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as how he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--Elveonora (talk) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he literally has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --Atrix471 (talk) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--Elveonora (talk) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--Elveonora (talk) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--BeyondRed (talk) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Boil Release? Edit

I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--Reliops (talk) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--Reliops (talk) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a discussion already --Atrix471 (talk) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--Elveonora (talk) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yang SealEdit

Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? —This unsigned comment was made by Officialkamuiblade (talkcontribs) .

Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --Atrix471 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- Officialkamuiblade

It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--Elveonora (talk) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --Atrix471 (talk) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage TechniqueEdit

On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? Rage gtx (talk) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
^Yeah, I need a source for that. • Seelentau 愛 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--Elveonora (talk) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--Soul reaper (talk) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--Elveonora (talk) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • Seelentau 愛 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--Elveonora (talk) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • Seelentau 愛 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I did then, now I know.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

And for that knowledge I need a source. • Seelentau 愛 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--Elveonora (talk) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Says who? • Seelentau 愛 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--Elveonora (talk) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--Elveonora (talk) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--Narutofox94 (talk) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


New title Edit

He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Stockholm Syndrome Edit

Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? Rage gtx (talk) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--Elveonora (talk) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--Elveonora (talk) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--Elveonora (talk) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Should this be stated somewhere? Edit

Hagoromo not only gave his powers but Juubi powers as well, after they received the powers Naruto could manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Fly while Sasuke awakened a unique Rinnegan. Only Jinchuriki of the Juubi can manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Naruto possesses the chakra of all nine Bijuu while Sasuke's Rinnegan is red with six tomoe. The unique form of Sasuke's Rinnegan is due to Juubi influence.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:30, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

The Ten-Tails is a culmination of all nine Tailed Beasts. Naruto contains portions of all nine beasts. Do the math... and Sasuke's Rinnegan ain't red. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:32, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of both of your statements, but they must have some Ten-Tails influence.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:50, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

You were aware of both my statements and yet you explicitly mentioned Sasuke's Rinnegan being red? That doesn't sound dubious at all. Now, in a way I guess you could say the powers they gained do have Ten-Tails influence, but that's simply due to what the Ten-Tails is. The Ten-Tails was the original Tailed Beast and is a manifestation of Kaguya, the first possessor of the Rinnegan. So yeah, I guess you could say they are related, but only for those reasons. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:54, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do and there's no reason to state the obvious. Hagoromo got his chakras from Kaguya who is the Ten-Tails, so him lending people chakra equals him lending Ten-Tails' chakra.--Elveonora (talk) 19:56, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Should it be stated somewhere?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:25, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple

There's no reason to do so. All the power Naruto and Sasuke got was from Hagoromo, and the nine Tailed Beasts in Naruto's case. if anything, Kaguya's power was given to them, but... there's just no reason to get technical. --Atrix471 (talk) 21:36, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

sections split Edit

I now this has been discussed already, but I've come to agree that it would be good to split it a little bit. It takes too long for the page to load and will take even longer before the series is over. Perhaps a separate article for his abilities or so--Elveonora (talk) 19:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 13:09, August 9, 2014 (UTC) Is this why they didnt display the full list of Naruto's powers and jutsu ? Cuz now the eruption power is missing and the acid creation and steam creation still not added...

Tabs would be nice, like the ones the One Piece wikia uses.--Reliops (talk) 15:08, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about that, when I looked at other wikis using that style seemed awkward. Maybe I'm just used to the style here... --Atrix471 (talk) 20:07, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Can this finally be unlocked? Edit

Especially since the new chapter has been released?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Specify first what you would like to add that.--Elveonora (talk) 09:36, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai Edit

Whgy we don't add Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai to Naruto Uzumaki even thought it can be considered a tailed beast skills In Madara's case his third eye (rinnegan) is a tailed beast skill due to being the jinchuriki of the ten tailed beast However it still a kekkei genkai

Because he doesn't have the genetical anomaly that is the basis for the Kekkei Genkai. • Seelentau 愛 19:09, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
To add on to what Seel said, Kekkei literally means 'bloodline'. If it isn't in his blood, it ain't his Kekkei Genkai.--Atrix471 (talk) 20:08, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Rinnegan can be achieved my merger of two chakras and isn't in the bloodline, yet we label it kkg :P--Elveonora (talk) 20:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Because it was labeled as a KKG in the last databook. I think it's still somewhat a KKG because you most likely(?) need the Sharingan for it... probably... I hate this manga. • Seelentau 愛 20:13, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Remember, it isn't just chakra, it requires fully integrated cells from a Senju and the eyes of an Uchiha. It isn't so simple as a chakra donation from tailed beast(s). It becomes a part of their body. --Atrix471 (talk) 20:17, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Except it doesn't requires cells or eyes, but chakras of Ashura and Indra merged.--Elveonora (talk) 20:18, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
You need Hagoromo's chakra (Made from Indra and Asura's) and the EMS to awaken the Rinnegan, not just Hagoromo's chakra alone. Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra, but didn't get a Rinnegan because he didn't have the EMS. You need the EMS & Indra and Asura's chakras (To bring forth Hagoromo's)/Or just plain Hagoromo's chakra in Sasuke's case to awaken the Rinnegan. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 14:53, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't the Sharingan in itself already Indra's chakra though?--Elveonora (talk) 20:23, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. Yes, the Uchiha are Indra's descendants, but only Indra's reincarnations have his chakra. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:27, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
His descendants have diluted version of his chakra though. Remember, we were told that Indra inherited the Sage's eyes, meaning the chakra Indra inherited is the Sharingan--Elveonora (talk) 20:29, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Do we add the elements of the gudoudama or no ? Edit

This page is changing alot with edits and undo... either he has the elements of the gudoudama or not ?Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 19:12, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

No.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 19:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
They've been re-added back by Sajuuk tho--Elveonora (talk) 20:39, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
Then get rid of it again.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 20:50, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
You might wanna lock the infobox after they've been removed @TU3. We don't need that madness to start. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:57, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Age?!?!?1ß Edit

The chapter's been out for like forEVER, why isn't he being listed as 17 yet? ugh -.- • Seelentau 愛 11:13, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Ur pants are wet aren't they. Anyway, done--Elveonora (talk) 11:39, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
The box was locked for me. :O • Seelentau 愛 11:49, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone unlock this page so that we could add the elements ? Edit

You know since Kishi said its not wood... it was water... i think its obivous that gudoudama has all 5 elements and the yin&yang thus it needs to be added Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 19:36, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

So just as I was saying Edit

Naruto isn't a jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts, just a pseudo-jinchuuriki. The only reason they are able to appear inside of him and talk is Tailed Beast Telepathy--Elveonora (talk) 10:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

He should be labelled as such.--Reliops (talk) 12:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

So will the responsible finally accept responsibility, admit having done a mistake and remove all that nonsense?--Elveonora (talk) 13:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Two things really.
  • 1st, I don't think it was just Telepathy because that doesn't explain how the tailed beasts, which where jumbled together as the Ten-Tails could even kind of be separate enough to give Naruto access to their abilities but still be under the complete control of the Ten-Tails for that to kind of makes sense or why they only started doing such things when Naruto met Hagoromo?
  • 2nd, even if so, what exactly would change in the article? Unless you want to take out the stuff we've seen Naruto do which oh lord no.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:18, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
The Tailed Beasts don't get merged inside the Gedo Mazo, they are there separate and are drained of their chakra. Just change him being their jinchuurii in his infobox to pseudo-jinchuuriki.--Elveonora (talk) 13:23, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
They were a giant ball of chakra, how is that not merging o.O. And I'm still on the fence about just accepting a pseudo-jinchūriki status, mainly because Minato still yells at me and I know your opinion on that so don't bother repeating it again here. Other people's opinion on the matter please.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

On second thought, Hagoromo's direct comparison between Naruto and Kaguya and his comment about their chakra seeping in to Naruto's (we'll need raws) throws me off. That, and the TSB just makes me think he's a pseudo Jūbi jinchūriki, though I suppose that would make him a pseudo jinchūriki by default. I dunno, I think we should wait until we at least have the raws.--Reliops (talk) 13:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

He was considered a Jinchhuriki while having only half of Kurama, the same goes for Minato. This chapter gave us bold letters that he just has Chakra of other TB. So, yes a pseudo for 1-tail to 8-tail, while being a Jinchuuriki for Kurama only.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 13:36, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Another thing that throws me off is the fact Hagoromo said Naruto would serve as some kind of meeting place for the bijū, like a communications hub or something. I made me think of the place place where Naruto met with Hagoromo and the nine beasts, when Hagoromo stated that line about the "blue eyed child that will call the nine bijū by their names and play with them" or whatever it was, something along those lines.--Reliops (talk) 13:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Considering the very same Tailed Beasts that were freed and subsequently captured and moved into the sky inside of giant boulders are supposed to meet inside of Naruto while being in the wild, them being inside of him was all along just that. Only their chakras are inside of Naruto and they simply can appear telepathically/mentally whatever there. EDIT: their "presence" inside of Naruto is no different than Hagoromo's was, really--Elveonora (talk) 13:50, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Did you fail to consider that when the tailed beast chakra's were pulled out of Obito, who was the Juubi's jinchūriki, the portion of Gyūki stored within became a second Gyūki? Go back and read that chapter. Who's to say that isn't what happened with Naruto? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 14:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Which is part of my problem and why I am hesitant to go with the "pseudo" thing. Like I keep saying, the fact that an entirely different Kurama existed within Minato is bothersome.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
People in the series considered Naruto a jinchhuriki with half a TB only, the same goes for Minato. But the same doesn't goes for the 1-Tail to 8-Tail In Naruto. Hagoromo would have said that you're a Jinchuuriki of all TB if he wanted, but he didn't, he just said that Naruto has Chakra from all TB.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 14:30, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Gyūki wasn't divided in Yin and Yang though. The entire situation is strange to say the least. I say we hold off of making any changes for now. Maybe the raws or subsequent chapters will shed some light.--Reliops (talk) 14:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

....And? That's the point. A mere tentacle of Gyūki was in the Ten-Tails when Obito was the jinchūriki and when it was pulled out, there were literally two Gyūki standing right beside each other. The chakra inside of Naruto is conscious enough to both give him aid and hold conversations with him and Hagoromo. Furthermore, @Mercurious, that is a ridiculous notion. Naruto had a full half of Kurama within him, which you lot say is enough to make him (and Minato) a jinchūriki, and Hagoromo simply said he had all their chakra within him. So does that mean, by your definition and logic, Naruto isn't a jinchūriki of any of them? Don't be ridiculous. This chapter hasn't disproved anything we've added up until now. Minato is the crux in this argument. If he's a jinchūriki for having only half of a tailed beast inside him (same goes for Naruto), the Naruto is a jinchūriki for having a portion of them (we don't know how much) inside of him. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's not my point. Naruto was called a Jinchuuriki, while he had a half tailed beast only. Minato is no different than Naruto. If Naruto a Jinchuuriki, then Minato is. Kinkaku was never called a Jinchuuriki, yet he had a TB chakra within him. That is the difference between Jinchuuriki and the so-called pseudo. Does he need to be the Jinchuuriki of all nine if he has their Chakra. Hagoromo could have said that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki of all Nine, but he didn't. He said that Naruto had their Chakra.

If you'll talk about them having a consciousness then pretty much it's the so called place of meeting. He said that you all will be able to communicate with each other. But if Naruto has a different nine TB then those communicating will be different, and that's ridiculous. In any case, that's not important I guess. You guys went and listed Obito as Jinchuuriki for Shukaku and Gyuuki, of course you would do the same for Naruto. Btw, you mentioned B, B is alive because he has one tail worth of Chakra from Gyuuki, does this mean that he has a different TB than the Gyuuki inside the TT?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 16:08, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

For the last time I'm gonna bother put emphasis on this, but Kurama having been split into Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama by Shiki Fujin isn't the same as being given a part of someone's chakra. There are literary two whole Kurama's, there are only one each of the other 8 Tailed Beasts though. They haven't been cloned, Hagoromo said that they can meet up inside of Naruto when they want, not that their clones will always be with Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 16:10, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

kekkei mora Edit

Are you guys even remotely serious? It's not him molding the natures, the Tailed Beasts phantoms are. When people wanted to add Naruto as kekkei genkai user, it was removed, because "it is tailed beast skill, not genetic" and yet, kekkei mora gets added even though it's same as kekkei genkai just the highest level? Makes sense "sarcasm"--Elveonora (talk) 13:55, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

The whole Kekkei part of it is confusing as hell. Aside from Hagoromo (and Hamura I would say), who had TSB before becoming a jinchūriki and was thus likely born with it, no one else gained it naturally.

  • Kaguya fused with the Shinju.
  • Obito and Madara became Jūbi jinchūriki.
  • Naruto has all the TB chakra so he's the same as them to a significant degree.

I find the term confusing as hell. It shouldn't be considered Bloodline-anything, and yet it is called that.--Reliops (talk) 14:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, kekkei tota can be taught, so there's that.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:31, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Dust Release being "passed down" could mean a number of things, including that Ōnoki might have been born with 3 affinities and simply had the potential to use it and was thus taught how. I really wish Kishimoto had called it something else because Kekkei implies Naruto would have the techniques himself now that he gained all TB chakra, which I don't even know is impossible anymore since Obito was able to use his TSB (staff) after he had the Jūbi extracted from him, which could mean a number of things, including that his DNA was changed permanently to be abel to use it. Weird, I know.--Reliops (talk) 15:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
@Reliops especially if you look on Kaguya who ate fruit gained chakra(and all her KKG`s) and passed down them to her children through dna.///Rage gtx (talk) 15:15, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Very true. Hagoromo and Hamura were both seen wielding identical shakujo made from TSB material so I'm guessing they were born as pseudo jinchūriki and inherited Kekkei Mōra naturally.--Reliops (talk) 15:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve: Oh really, so Obito had kekkei mōra prior to being a jinchūriki? Madara? Hagoromo? How about Kaguya before she ate the fruit and became the progenitor of chakra? Its very clear that there is nothing genetic about kekkei mōra and the TSB. Hagoromo directly compared Naruto to Kaguya by saying that they both had all nine tailed beasts chakra inside of them, so, considering that all known containers of either the nine beasts and/or the Ten-Tails gain the TSB kekkei mōra... I'd say the Bijū are the common factor here, wouldn't you? Or are you really suggesting that Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo molded all five natures and Yin-Yang together themselves? I'll take a rain check on that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:49, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

The term basically says it's genetic tho. So Naruto shouldn't be considered a user--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with you for the most part, Foxie, but Hagoromo had TSB before he became the Juūbi jinchūriki and Hamura also wielded a shakujo of the same substance, so I'm assuming they were both born with Kekkei Mōra, in which case, I suppose the name would make a little more sense, but then again, Indra and Ashura inherited different abilities from Hagoromo, so I guess not.

@Elveonora - genetics don't have squat to do with with it since neither Kaguya, nor Obito or Madara obtained it through genetics. Obito continued to be able to use it TSB after he lost the Jūbi, so my guess is that's Kekkei Mōra genetically alters the hosts of all nine bijū to become capable of it. That is the only logical explanation I can think of.--Reliops (talk) 16:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

My point is that if you truly insist on him being listed as kekkei mora user then you might as well list him as kekkei genkai user and add Lava Release etc. to his list of kekkei genkai, because it's the same thing--Elveonora (talk) 16:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

And I think he should be since jinchūriki evidently retain their bijū powers even after extraction.--Reliops (talk) 18:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
But he was never their jinchuuriki.--Elveonora (talk) 22:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
According to you and you alone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:45, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
No, according to the author. If you deem me the author, then you are giving me too much credit--Elveonora (talk) 10:37, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Yin Release Edit

Rainonme2 (talk) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)Naruto's ProfileRainonme2 (talk) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Since it's been confirmed that the truth-seeking balls have Yin-Yang release, shouldn't it say that Naruto has Yin release as well as Yang release on his profile since Yin-Yang release can only be made by both?

No, since he shouldn't have any natures besides Wind Release in his infobox to begin with. Just Because Kaguya's Truth Seeking Balls are x natures doesn't mean so are Naruto's--Elveonora (talk) 18:07, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I knew this would come up within the day. Yes, Naruto has TSB. TSB is a Kekkei Mōra. TSB is compromised of all 5 basic elemental natures and Yin-Yang. Yin should be added to the list. But it's not going to because then Elveonora would throw a fit and the sysops are tired of it, so in the interest of avoiding that, they're not adding Yin.--Reliops (talk) 18:39, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Even though he still holds on to the ridiculous theory that naruto only nature is wind in general and his TSB. Riptide240 (talk) 19:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Manga evidence support it, but whatever, go on Naruto fanboys, eat his ***, you are good at it.--Elveonora (talk) 22:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Again, in your mind, and yours alone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I have just one simple question for you Elveonora. How can one have Yin-Yang if one lacks Yin?--Reliops (talk) 01:11, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Read above. He doesn't believe Naruto has any other element other than wind, because apparently, he missed the last fifty chapters of the manga. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I agree it's nonsensical to list YYR bot not Yin. In my opinion both YYR and Yang should be removed--Elveonora (talk) 10:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Changing (Darker?) Edit

Rainonme2 (talk) 01:34, September 11, 2014 (UTC)Rainonme2 (talk) 01:32, September 11, 2014 (UTC)Hey guys, this is just a quick question for your own opinion so it's really not that important but what do you think of Naruto's Demeanor in the recent chapters? I mean, when you look at that panel of Naruto staring upwards after he punched black zetsu into the chibaku tensei and in the recent chapter when he looks at Sasuke after his "Revolution declaration" doesn't he seem like he's just a tad bit more darker? What do you guys think? >: ) Rainonme2 (talk) 01:32, September 11, 2014 (UTC)Rainonme2 (talk) 01:34, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

this isnt the appropriate place to ask this question. try making a seperate discussion thread for it. Munchvtec (talk) 01:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Rainonme2 (talk) 03:13, September 11, 2014 (UTC)I kinda think it is Munchtec because the question itself relates to whether or not someone should edit Naruto's Personality article

nah. i dont think it's really needed. Munchvtec (talk) 03:15, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Rainonme2 (talk) 03:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC) well the article is already here so you might as well tell us what you think of the question :)

it's really not needed. add it if u want to but it will be reverted by someone other then myself. no offense though. Munchvtec (talk) 03:24, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Foremost, I suggest you to fix your signature--Elveonora (talk) 10:35, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

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