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== New OVA Naruto vs Konohamaru ==
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== Fire Release Nature Type ==
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I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with [[Gamabunta]]. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Naruto and Konohamaru are now chunin they competed in a chunin exams in Sunagakure and even though Konohamaru won Naruto was also promoted to chunin bcuz of his deeds in the past( saving Konoha several times...etc.--[[User:Narutonerd123|Narutonerd123]] ([[User talk:Narutonerd123|talk]]) 23:37, May 1, 2012 (UTC)[http://www.narutoget.com/watch/934-naruto-shippuden-movie-5-blood-prison/] Watch the new episode on the bottom.--[[User:Narutonerd123|Narutonerd123]] ([[User talk:Narutonerd123|talk]]) 23:37, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
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So can anyone actually answer my questions...? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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*He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::::@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his [[Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan]] technique. So yea...it's what Naruto '''''does''''' with the chakra the beasts provided him. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::At first I was asking. Now I am telling. '''Enough'''. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. '''Now'''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
It's not canon--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:42, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
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Just chill?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Dark Naruto image discussion ==
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being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
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::Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
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Which one is better: the current one or my proposal ? I am simply wanting to see what the community thinks since I found the current one to be quite blurry in the lightbox. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 16:55, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Actually there's almost no difference except the current is closer. (add) They are almost of the same quality. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 17:01, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
::The proposal one seems alright.--[[User:White Flash|'''''White Flash''''']] [[File:Samurai Symbol.svg|link=|20px]] [[User talk:White Flash|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]] 19:36, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::The current image looks a bit blurr to me. So I am with the proposed image. —[[w:c:naruto:User:Salil dabholkar|¤<big>S</big>@lil ¤]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(T@lk)]] 15:05, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Yep, the proposal seems better. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My]] [[w:c:phoenixrising|Wiki]]) 16:15, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
=== Revival ===
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Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release technique[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Bringing this discussion up again, which image is better for use ? I still feel the existing one is blurred. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 13:26, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
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:And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::If you're referring to the '[[Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough]]' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Unknow Jutsu ==
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== Yin-Yang Release ==
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I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball
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Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release.
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So we got two options
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1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
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2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )
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Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .{{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
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:TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
What is the Jutsu that Naruto still hasn't completed yet? I know Jiraiya told him not to do it and when he got the Key to the Seal he was told he could complete it now. {{unsigned|74.233.29.63}}
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I've just edited them right now {{Unsigned|User:Asesino04}}
   
It's the tailed beast ball? Right?
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Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/166.147.89.155|166.147.89.155]] ([[User talk:166.147.89.155|talk]]) 02:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
:It's not the Tailed Beast Ball as Killer Bee tried to teach him that. We currently don't know what it is as it's not named on [[That Technique| this page]]. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 03:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato [[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)Actionmanrandell[[User:Actionmanrandell|Actionmanrandell]] ([[User talk:Actionmanrandell|talk]]) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Pretty sure Jiraiya told him 'not to use that power', i.e Kurama's chakra. About all we know about this unknown technique is that Minato created it, laying the foundation on which Jiraiya and Naruto would further develop it, and that to use it Naruto had to first gain control of Kurama's chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 04:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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Why was Yin Yang Release added back to Naruto's page? [[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 22:29, September 11, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
   
== Naruto and the war ==
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== Actual age ==
   
I've been watching the anime and in it Naruto is aware of the war. But is he aware of this fact in the manga?--{{unsigned|108.132.105.48}}
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Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?[[User:FirstDrellSpectre|FirstDrellSpectre]] ([[User talk:FirstDrellSpectre|talk]]) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
:He knows there's going to be a war if I remember correctly. He didn't know that it had started already though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:25, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
== wind nature missed up ==
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== Flight Technique ==
   
like it says where naruto's wind nature is its all weird and i dont know how to fix it can someone help??[[Special:Contributions/67.54.176.39|67.54.176.39]] ([[User talk:67.54.176.39|talk]]) 18:05, July 4, 2012 (UTC)NaruFan
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How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--[[User:Solidedub|Solidedub]] ([[User talk:Solidedub|talk]]) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
:Probably a code problem brought on by the recent update Wikia is performing on the software. They usually synch their version with the most current version of the software from time to time. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:21, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
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:There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
It will fix itself, I see it as well--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:31, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
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:I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::It's there, just click on "jutsu"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Japanese Alphabets -- Names ==
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::Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? [[User:HellHawkX|HellHawkX]] ([[User talk:HellHawkX|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nope, not here either. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Consider performing null edits on both this page and [[Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki]]. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
Under Naruto's "profile picture" is a list of his name and nicknames, and after each name is the Japanese-alphabetical name in parentheses. Just curious, why is "Uzumaki" written in Hiragana while "Naruto" is written in Katakana? --[[User:Kinggraham11|Kinggraham11]] ([[User talk:Kinggraham11|talk]]) 22:03, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
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== Sensor Type ==
   
==Jinchuuriki Vs. Heritage==
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For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Given [[Kabuto Yakushi|Kabuto]]'s recent statement that members of the [[Uzumaki clan]] have high vitality, longevity, and strong regenerative capabilities, is it possible that Naruto's accelerated healing is his own natural ability, rather that a result of being [[Kurama]]'s [[Jinchuuriki]]? If memory serves [[Kakashi Hatake|Kakashi]] was the only one to say that it was the nine-tails, and it may have just been a theory. {{unsigned|Arch angel gabriele}}
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Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
:Both add up to it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:01, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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: For once I agree with Elve. ''How'' Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as ''how'' he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he ''literally'' has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yes, many brought this up before. I believe such as well. Kakashi doesn't have much knowledge about Nine-Tails, and Naruto regenerated even with Kurama's chakra completely suppressed ... Kurama's chakra might have amplified the healing factor, but I don't think it makes sense for it being purely from him.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:04, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
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== Boil Release? ==
   
== Sage mode update ==
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I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hello, since I don't have option to edit Naruto article could some one add to Senjutsu that he can by touching someones chakra he can sense horrible secrets that users are hiding or better read the truths from the user. Latest Anime episode introduced this ability while Shibi had shadow jutsu holding him, Naruto then sensed the war memories from Shibi and suddenly did know what they are hiding from him.[[Special:Contributions/86.50.115.56|86.50.115.56]] ([[User talk:86.50.115.56|talk]]) 14:24, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Jeroi
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:That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a [[Talk:Matchless Superhuman Strength|discussion]] already --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
:Naruto didn't sense a "secret" he used the Sage Mode's ability to "sense" and saw what was happening on the battlefield. The same way he was wondering where Kakashi was when he returned to Konoha. This time we just got to see what he senses when in Sage Mode. The Nara's jutsu had nothing to do with it. Also, Shibi is an Aburame, he doesn't manipulate shadows.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Sensory abilities, the same as when he tracked Nagato with the usage of that rod--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:10, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Wait, when we are at it, how isn't Naruto listed as a sensor ? O_O--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:12, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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==Yang Seal==
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Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? {{Unsigned|Officialkamuiblade}}
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:Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
: [[Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 5#Naruto a sensor type?]]
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Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- [[User:Officialkamuiblade|Officialkamuiblade]]
: [[Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 8#Classification]]
 
: [[Talk:Jiraiya/Archive 3#sensor type ]]
 
: Mr. Anonymous --15:27, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I know this issue has been raised twice on naruto's talk page and once on Jiraiya's so i dont want to start another section, but...Naruto sensing whilst sage mode is activated is just as "conditional" as a Hyuuga sensing while the Byakugan is activated. I know adding him as a sensor has been shot down by alot of the higer ups on this wiki but regardless is regardless, he can sense. --[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 15:53, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
:If that were to hold true then every shinobi should be considered a sensor because most if not all have shown some level of sensory ability. Thus the classification has to have some sort of parameter. Yes he senses but it's a by-product of being in Sage-Mode and using natural energy or else perceiving someone's negative emotions.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:00, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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==Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage Technique==
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On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::^Yeah, I need a source for that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::::Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well if it were to hold true then we would classify no "true" sensor as an actual sensor because all shinobi show the inate ability. The parameter, i assume, would be a certain degree of sensing ability and Naruto definetly shows that. Like I mentioned above, the Hyuuga's sensing abilty is a by-product of activating the Byakugan just like Naruto's is a by-product of activating sage mode. --[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 16:06, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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I did then, now I know.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:And for that knowledge I need a source. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Says who? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe you are mistaken. I don't think I would ever classify a Hyūga as a sensor in the sense that this series uses it because what they use is sight; that is not sensing, it is plain and simply seeing. Even Karin's explanation of Inuzuka's being sensors in the anime is ridiculous to me. Sensors have the ability to naturally sense chakra around themselves using the assumed Chakra Sensing Technique or in Karin's case- the Mind's Eye of the Kagura, unlike Naruto who has to enter either modes to exhibit sensory abilities. Are we supposed to list him then as "Sensor~sometimes"? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:12, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
By that logic alone, Karin isn't a sensor because she has to use her power/technique to detect, and with her chakra turned off she can't. Naruto has sensory abilities in both Sage and Kurama/Rikudou modes, and even these powers were the reason for the Alliance could fight the Zetsu Clone Army--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:15, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Karin's explanation is not one for you to argue, it is a fact stated by the author. Ao is listed as a sensor and the fact is he can only sense due to his use of the Byakugan. I wont argue anything, I only look for some consistency in listing one person as something but not another even when their situations are the same. --[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 16:20, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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== New title ==
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He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --[[User:Youngjusticeplayer007|Youngjusticeplayer007]] ([[User talk:Youngjusticeplayer007|talk]]) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
:I'm afraid both of you are mistaken again. Who do you know that can use any ability that requires chakra with their chakra turned off? All shinobi abilities require the use of chakra so I don't understand what you're trying to say Elveonora. As for the Ao bit, Ao was listed as a sensor because of chapter 464, page 12 or there about, 473 page 12, and the fact that he was made Sensor Division captain where he has yet to use the eye. Inconsistency would only arise from listing every person with a sensory method as a sensor.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:33, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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== Stockholm Syndrome ==
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Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't see this discussion going very far without asking one question. What abilities would warrant in classifying a shinboi as a sensor?--[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 16:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why does it matter that he has to use "modes" ??? sensory ability = sensor.
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== Should this be stated somewhere? ==
Kyubi's chakra/Sage Mode = a power. A sensory technique = a power.
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Hagoromo not only gave his powers but Juubi powers as well, after they received the powers Naruto could manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Fly while Sasuke awakened a unique Rinnegan. Only Jinchuriki of the Juubi can manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Naruto possesses the chakra of all nine Bijuu while Sasuke's Rinnegan is red with six tomoe. The unique form of Sasuke's Rinnegan is due to Juubi influence.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 19:30, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
There's no difference, the "temporary" arguments holds no value as no ninja can sense 24/7/4/12/365--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:52, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
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:The Ten-Tails is a culmination of all nine Tailed Beasts. Naruto contains portions of all nine beasts. Do the math... and Sasuke's Rinnegan ain't red. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 19:32, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
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I am aware of both of your statements, but they must have some Ten-Tails influence.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 19:50, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:You were aware of both my statements and yet you explicitly mentioned Sasuke's Rinnegan being red? That doesn't sound dubious at all. Now, in a way I guess you could say the powers they gained do have Ten-Tails influence, but that's simply due to what the Ten-Tails is. The Ten-Tails was the original Tailed Beast and is a manifestation of Kaguya, the first possessor of the Rinnegan. So yeah, I guess you could say they are related, but only for those reasons. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 19:54, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
The use of natural sensory abilities, right now we have the broad unbrella'd [[Chakra Sensing Technique]] and Karin's unique ability. As I've said before- and I don't know whether or not this is for everyone- but some sort of parameter has to be set to classify someone as a sensor. Going outside that would mean classifying Gaara as a sensor despite the fact that if he has no sand, he's as much a sensor as I am.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:39, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
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Of course they do and there's no reason to state the obvious. Hagoromo got his chakras from Kaguya who is the Ten-Tails, so him lending people chakra equals him lending Ten-Tails' chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:56, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
I wouldn't say Gaara is a sensor lol. But Naruto's "sensory' abilities were a key against Pain and Zetsu, not to mention stated to surpass most sensors.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:49, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
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Should it be stated somewhere?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 21:25, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization [[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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:There's no reason to do so. All the power Naruto and Sasuke got was from Hagoromo, and the nine Tailed Beasts in Naruto's case. if anything, Kaguya's power was given to them, but... there's just no reason to get technical. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 21:36, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Slimming down the abilities section ==
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== sections split ==
   
As i'm skimming through some of the talk pages, i bumped into Sasuke's where one of the editors complained over the excess of somewhat useless references and somewhat boasts of Sasuke...that's fair and all, it was a bit too much on some aspects...now we view the same problem with Naruto...fine he's the main character and all, but some of his ability sections are too much...more specifically his intelligence part...since when does a character has so much that we have to split it into two sub-sections...not even characters such as Orochimaru, Kabuto and Tobi, who are master manipulators, tacticians and scientists, don't have this much clutter on their sections, neither should Naruto, who despite being not being the idiot of the start of the series by far and being a skilled planner in his own right, intelligence is not his top point. Any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 23:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
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I now this has been discussed already, but I've come to agree that it would be good to split it a little bit. It takes too long for the page to load and will take even longer before the series is over. Perhaps a separate article for his abilities or so--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm OK with the changes.
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[[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 13:09, August 9, 2014 (UTC) Is this why they didnt display the full list of Naruto's powers and jutsu ? Cuz now the eruption power is missing and the acid creation and steam creation still not added...
Edit: even though Naruto isn't the wisest, he isn't the dumbest anymore. The section is likely to portray his growth in intelligence over time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:50, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
:And i pointed that out...but against other characters who grossely outsmart him, it isn't valid. Now any idea on '''how''' to slim it? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 00:02, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Something akin to "Naruto is dumb to learn and remember things, with actions driven by emotions from his hearth being above any deep thought and logic, except in battles when he has shown to have some level of tactical and analytical capability.
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Tabs would be nice, like the ones the One Piece wikia uses.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:08, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't know about that, when I looked at other wikis using that style seemed awkward. Maybe I'm just used to the style here... --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:07, August 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Dunno O_O--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:16, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
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== Can this finally be unlocked? ==
   
The thing with Naruto is that for him, being the protagonist, we have a much greater pool of information to list. I think the reason he has two sections is so that his progress in both can be properly shown without it constantly shifting the aspect of intelligence being explained. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:11, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
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Especially since the new chapter has been released?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
:And i understand that, but even so it's too much...but if you have another idea, i'm all ears...[[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:17, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
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:Specify first what you would like to add that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:36, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
I agree with Omnni, it's hard if not impossible to slim down some people's abilities sections. For Sasuke when I took stuff out that was either entirely wrong or irrelevant. Otherwise from that, his abilities section remained the same. Sometimes, it can't be helped other than trying not to account for every small detail and limiting examples of the said ability.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:00, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
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== Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai ==
   
== Versions 1 and 2 ==
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Whgy we don't add Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai to Naruto Uzumaki even thought it can be considered a tailed beast skills
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In Madara's case his third eye (rinnegan) is a tailed beast skill due to being the jinchuriki of the ten tailed beast
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However it still a kekkei genkai
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:Because he doesn't have the genetical anomaly that is the basis for the Kekkei Genkai. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:09, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
So...... Should we just give up the idea of naruto in control of version 2 or 1? Huhhhhhhhhh......... I hate the yellow form too, even the 2nd one. Version 2 and 1 was so much sexier. Should we give up on it? Please don't delete.--[[Special:Contributions/24.166.174.117|24.166.174.117]] ([[User talk:24.166.174.117|talk]]) 19:40, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
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:To add on to what Seel said, Kekkei literally means 'bloodline'. If it isn't in ''his'' blood, it ain't his Kekkei Genkai.--[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:08, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::Rinnegan can be achieved my merger of two chakras and isn't in the bloodline, yet we label it kkg :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Because it was labeled as a KKG in the last databook. I think it's still somewhat a KKG because you most likely(?) need the Sharingan for it... probably... I hate this manga. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:13, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Remember, it isn't just chakra, it requires fully integrated cells from a Senju and the eyes of an Uchiha. It isn't so simple as a chakra donation from tailed beast(s). It becomes a part of their body. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 20:17, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Except it doesn't requires cells or eyes, but chakras of Ashura and Indra merged.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:18, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::You need Hagoromo's chakra (Made from Indra and Asura's) and the EMS to awaken the Rinnegan, not just Hagoromo's chakra alone. Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra, but didn't get a Rinnegan because he didn't have the EMS. You need the EMS & Indra and Asura's chakras (To bring forth Hagoromo's)/Or just plain Hagoromo's chakra in Sasuke's case to awaken the Rinnegan. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 14:53, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
This isn't a forum--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
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Isn't the Sharingan in itself already Indra's chakra though?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:23, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:I wouldn't say that. Yes, the Uchiha are Indra's descendants, but only Indra's reincarnations have his chakra. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:27, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
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::His descendants have diluted version of his chakra though. Remember, we were told that Indra inherited the Sage's eyes, meaning the chakra Indra inherited is the Sharingan--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:29, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Appearance Section Image? ==
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== Do we add the elements of the gudoudama or no ? ==
   
Where is the full body shot image of Naruto that USED to be in the "Appearance" section? [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 05:39, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
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This page is changing alot with edits and undo... either he has the elements of the gudoudama or not ?[[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 19:12, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
:It's somewhere on the wiki. But apparently it was changed for an image of Naruto's various ''forms'' which I don't understand...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:48, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Can we please switch it back? The whole point of the appearance section is his appearance...[[Special:Contributions/93.186.16.243|93.186.16.243]] ([[User talk:93.186.16.243|talk]]) 13:04, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I agree with this sentiment. Only three frames actually show Naruto's "growth" appearance-wise and there's already an image of him as a child in his article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I changed it back to the Part 1 and Part 2 image.[[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 15:03, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Stats ==
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:No.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::They've been re-added back by Sajuuk tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:39, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Then get rid of it again.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::::You might wanna lock the infobox after they've been removed @TU3. We don't need that madness to start. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:57, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you look at Naruto where he is at in the Manga the databook on the wiki does not represent him at all 26 in total what? {{unsigned|65.48.143.145}}
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== Age?!?!? ==
:Kishimoto makes those stats, they're only published when there's a databook. Last databook covers only up to Sasuke's fight with Itachi, before learning the truth about the massacre. People ought to know that by now. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:48, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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The chapter's been out for like forEVER, why isn't he being listed as 17 yet? ugh -.- • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:13, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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:Ur pants are wet aren't they. Anyway, done--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:39, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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::The box was locked for me. :O • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:49, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok sorry for making you annoyed I didn't know.{{unsigned|65.48.143.145}}
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== Can someone unlock this page so that we could add the elements ? ==
   
== Shadow clone strength ==
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You know since Kishi said its not wood... it was water... i think its obivous that gudoudama has all 5 elements and the yin&yang thus it needs to be added [[User:Matianu.alexandruionut|Matianu.alexandruionut]] ([[User talk:Matianu.alexandruionut|talk]]) 19:36, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Is it ok if we made it say that his shadow clones had grown stronger as well, as shown in the fourth great shinobi world war, please? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:01, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
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== So just as I was saying ==
:That doesn't make much sense to me to note that. It is a '''clone''' after all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:10, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Sage Mode Time Limit ==
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Naruto isn't a jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts, just a pseudo-jinchuuriki. The only reason they are able to appear inside of him and talk is [[Tailed Beast Telepathy]]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
During what fight was it shown that Naruto can stay in Sage Mode for ten minutes? I thought the time limit was originally five minutes.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 16:47, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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He should be labelled as such.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 12:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
:The article mentions something in the war, so it's probably out there somewhere. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:56, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
But during what part of the war? Naruto has used it at least four times during the war. Against the Third Raikage, against Madara when he threw the Rasenshuriken, when he needed to free the Four-Tails from Tobi's control, and lastly when he had a shadow clone use it while the real Naruto was in Bijuu Mode. So which part was it?--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 17:26, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I dunno. That whole paragraph seems a bit oddly-put or incorrect to me. When was Naruto ever said to have mastered senjutsu? Yes he's mastered Sage Mode but senjutsu on a whole looks like it would take a greater deal of time. As for the Sage Mode limit. I can honestly never remember Naruto saying anything about how long he could stay in the mode but only the amount of techniques he could use while in Sage Mode before the chakra was used up.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
So then why was it posted on the article in the first place? I mean I know Naruto has mastered Sage Mode to the point he can enter it a lot quicker but to maintain it for ten minutes seems a bit misleading.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 17:38, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
:It was added because someone might have believed the info to be true. Not that I'm saying it isn't, we could very well be mistaken.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:44, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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So will the responsible finally accept responsibility, admit having done a mistake and remove all that nonsense?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
So then it should be removed from the article right? If it's not accurate information and it doesn't have any chapters to support that information, then it shouldn't be there at all.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 17:51, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It should probably be looked up before. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
I just wanted to know which part of the war Naruto demonstrated that he could stay in Sage Mode for ten minutes. But if the information is inaccurate, then it should be removed from the article as soon as possible. But if the information is in fact true then what chapter did he demonstrate this?--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 18:23, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Can we say Sage Mode even has a time limit, it is more like when Naruto uses up the Sage Chakra that he loses Sage Mode. [[User:NarutoRevival|NarutoRevival]] ([[User talk:NarutoRevival|talk]]) 18:40, October 21, 2012 (UTC)NarutoRevival
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:Two things really.
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:*1st, I don't think it was just Telepathy because that doesn't explain how the tailed beasts, which where jumbled together as the Ten-Tails could even kind of be separate enough to give Naruto access to their abilities but still be under the complete control of the Ten-Tails for that to kind of makes sense or why they only started doing such things when Naruto met Hagoromo?
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:*2nd, even if so, what exactly would change in the article? Unless you want to take out the stuff we've seen Naruto do which oh lord no.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:18, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::The Tailed Beasts don't get merged inside the Gedo Mazo, they are there separate and are drained of their chakra. Just change him being their jinchuurii in his infobox to pseudo-jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:23, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:::They were a giant ball of chakra, how is that not merging o.O. And I'm still on the fence about just accepting a pseudo-jinchūriki status, mainly because Minato still yells at me and I know your opinion on that so don't bother repeating it again here. Other people's opinion on the matter please.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
It's been stated by Fukasaku that you can only maintain Sage Mode for five minutes. He confirmed this in chapter 420 of the manga and episode 157 of the anime. I'm just pointing out that someone posted on the article claiming that Naruto can maintain it for ten minutes during the war, I just want to know if this information placed on the article is true otherwise it needs to be removed if it's false.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:04, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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On second thought, Hagoromo's direct comparison between Naruto and Kaguya and his comment about their chakra seeping in to Naruto's (we'll need raws) throws me off. That, and the TSB just makes me think he's a pseudo Jūbi jinchūriki, though I suppose that would make him a pseudo jinchūriki by default. I dunno, I think we should wait until we at least have the raws.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 13:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think someone confuse Tailed Beast Mode with Sage Mode--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:10, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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He was considered a Jinchhuriki while having only half of Kurama, the same goes for Minato. This chapter gave us bold letters that he just has Chakra of other TB. So, yes a pseudo for 1-tail to 8-tail, while being a Jinchuuriki for Kurama only.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 13:36, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Whatever the case maybe if this information about Sage Mode is not true it needs to be removed from the article right away.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:21, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Another thing that throws me off is the fact Hagoromo said Naruto would serve as some kind of meeting place for the bijū, like a communications hub or something. I made me think of the place place where Naruto met with Hagoromo and the nine beasts, when Hagoromo stated that line about the "blue eyed child that will call the nine bijū by their names and play with them" or whatever it was, something along those lines.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 13:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Naruto was stated to could use the Tailed Beast Mode only for 5 minutes, I don't remember any mention of Sage Mode having a a specific timer, someone might have mixed up these two or something--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:23, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Considering the very same Tailed Beasts that were freed and subsequently captured and moved into the sky inside of giant boulders are supposed to meet inside of Naruto while being in the wild, them being inside of him was all along just that. Only their chakras are inside of Naruto and they simply can appear telepathically/mentally whatever there. EDIT: their "presence" inside of Naruto is no different than Hagoromo's was, really--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:50, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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: Did you fail to consider that when the tailed beast chakra's were pulled out of Obito, who was the Juubi's jinchūriki, the portion of Gyūki stored within became a second Gyūki? Go back and read that chapter. Who's to say that isn't what happened with Naruto? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 14:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::Which is part of my problem and why I am hesitant to go with the "pseudo" thing. Like I keep saying, the fact that an entirely different Kurama existed within Minato is bothersome.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::: People in the series considered Naruto a jinchhuriki with half a TB only, the same goes for Minato. But the same doesn't goes for the 1-Tail to 8-Tail In Naruto. Hagoromo would have said that you're a Jinchuuriki of all TB if he wanted, but he didn't, he just said that Naruto has Chakra from all TB.--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 14:30, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Kurama said that it would only last for five minutes because it was their first transformation but that's off topic. Fukasaku did in fact tell Naruto that Sage Mode would only last for five minutes. He said this in chapter 420 of the manga and episode 157 of the anime. But apparently someone posted on the article claiming that Naruto can maintain Sage Mode for ten minutes during the war, I just want to know if this is true, otherwise the post should be removed from the article right now if it's false.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:35, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Gyūki wasn't divided in Yin and Yang though. The entire situation is strange to say the least. I say we hold off of making any changes for now. Maybe the raws or subsequent chapters will shed some light.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 14:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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: ....And? That's the point. A mere tentacle of Gyūki was in the Ten-Tails when Obito was the jinchūriki and when it was pulled out, there were literally two Gyūki standing right beside each other. The chakra inside of Naruto is conscious enough to both give him aid and hold conversations with him and Hagoromo. Furthermore, @Mercurious, that is a ridiculous notion. Naruto had a full half of Kurama within him, which you lot say is enough to make him (and Minato) a jinchūriki, and Hagoromo simply said he had all their chakra within him. So does that mean, by your definition and logic, Naruto isn't a jinchūriki of any of them? Don't be ridiculous. This chapter hasn't disproved anything we've added up until now. Minato is the crux in this argument. If he's a jinchūriki for having only half of a tailed beast inside him (same goes for Naruto), the Naruto is a jinchūriki for having a portion of them (we don't know how much) inside of him. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:: That's not my point. Naruto was called a Jinchuuriki, while he had a half tailed beast only. Minato is no different than Naruto. If Naruto a Jinchuuriki, then Minato is. Kinkaku was never called a Jinchuuriki, yet he had a TB chakra within him. That is the difference between Jinchuuriki and the so-called pseudo. Does he need to be the Jinchuuriki of all nine if he has their Chakra. Hagoromo could have said that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki of all Nine, but he didn't. He said that Naruto had their Chakra.
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If you'll talk about them having a consciousness then pretty much it's the so called place of meeting. He said that you all will be able to communicate with each other. But if Naruto has a different nine TB then those communicating will be different, and that's ridiculous. In any case, that's not important I guess. You guys went and listed Obito as Jinchuuriki for Shukaku and Gyuuki, of course you would do the same for Naruto. Btw, you mentioned B, B is alive because he has one tail worth of Chakra from Gyuuki, does this mean that he has a different TB than the Gyuuki inside the TT?--[[User:MERCURIOUS|MERCURIOUS]] ([[User talk:MERCURIOUS|talk]]) 16:08, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
So can we please just edit the page already?--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:56, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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For the last time I'm gonna bother put emphasis on this, but Kurama having been split into Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama by Shiki Fujin isn't the same as being given a part of someone's chakra. There are literary two whole Kurama's, there are only one each of the other 8 Tailed Beasts though. They haven't been cloned, Hagoromo said that they can meet up inside of Naruto when they want, not that their clones will always be with Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:10, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
As long as the proper references are added, sure. It also needs to be mentioned that Naruto has worked to increase the amount of time he can stay in Sage Mode, he was shown practising that when he went after Sasuke after Pain's invasion. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:17, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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== kekkei mora ==
   
I already know that he was practicing to maintain Sage Mode longer during the Five Kage Summit Arc. But if it is true that Naruto has shown that he can stay in Sage Mode for about ten minutes during the war I just want to know which chapter he first demonstrated this ability. --[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 20:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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Are you guys even remotely serious? It's not him molding the natures, the Tailed Beasts phantoms are. When people wanted to add Naruto as kekkei genkai user, it was removed, because "it is tailed beast skill, not genetic" and yet, kekkei mora gets added even though it's same as kekkei genkai just the highest level? Makes sense "sarcasm"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:55, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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The whole Kekkei part of it is confusing as hell. Aside from Hagoromo (and Hamura I would say), who had TSB before becoming a jinchūriki and was thus likely born with it, no one else gained it naturally.
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*Kaguya fused with the Shinju.
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*Obito and Madara became Jūbi jinchūriki.
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*Naruto has all the TB chakra so he's the same as them to a significant degree.
   
Weird, in the translation of the chapter I'm reading, I don't see any mention of 5 minutes, but I take your word for that I guess...
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I find the term confusing as hell. It shouldn't be considered Bloodline-anything, and yet it is called that.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 14:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
EDIT: I myself do not recall him using Sage Mode for an extended amount of time during the war--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:44, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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:Well, kekkei tota can be taught, so there's that.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:31, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::Dust Release being "passed down" could mean a number of things, including that Ōnoki might have been born with 3 affinities and simply had the potential to use it and was thus taught how. I really wish Kishimoto had called it something else because Kekkei implies Naruto would have the techniques himself now that he gained all TB chakra, which I don't even know is impossible anymore since Obito was able to use his TSB (staff) after he had the Jūbi extracted from him, which could mean a number of things, including that his DNA was changed permanently to be abel to use it. Weird, I know.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
So you agree with me? Even though he has used Sage Mode at least four times during the war, has it been shown that he could maintain it for ten minutes during those four times? Also check other manga translations of chapter 420 or you can just watch episode 157 of the anime.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 20:54, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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:::@Reliops especially if you look on Kaguya who ate fruit gained chakra(and all her KKG`s) and passed down them to her children through dna.///[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:15, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Very true. Hagoromo and Hamura were both seen wielding identical shakujo made from TSB material so I'm guessing they were born as pseudo jinchūriki and inherited Kekkei Mōra naturally.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yeah. And found one that mentions 5 min. I think it's just an assumption based on the fact that Naruto trained in order to maintain it longer, so someone has estimated it to be 10 minutes now.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:03, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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@Elve: Oh really, so Obito had kekkei mōra prior to being a jinchūriki? Madara? Hagoromo? How about Kaguya before she ate the fruit and became the progenitor of chakra? Its very clear that there is nothing genetic about kekkei mōra and the TSB. Hagoromo directly compared Naruto to Kaguya by saying that they both had all nine tailed beasts chakra inside of them, so, considering that all known containers of either the nine beasts and/or the Ten-Tails gain the TSB kekkei mōra... I'd say the Bijū are the common factor here, wouldn't you? Or are you really suggesting that Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo molded all five natures and Yin-Yang together themselves? I'll take a rain check on that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:49, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:The term basically says it's genetic tho. So Naruto shouldn't be considered a user--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
But is this assumption proven to be fact in the manga? Just look back at the following chapters:555,560,561,569,570,571,and 572. Up until now those were the only times he has used Sage Mode during the war. Now during those moments Naruto has only resorted to Sage Mode for those very brief tasks and during those moments even though he has demonstrated that he could enter Sage Mode a lot faster was he also demonstrating that he could maintain it for ten minutes or so? In my opinion I don't think so. So what do you guys think? If Naruto did demonstrate that he could maintain Sage Mode in those following chapters I would like some good explanations please.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 22:06, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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I'm with you for the most part, Foxie, but Hagoromo had TSB before he became the Juūbi jinchūriki and Hamura also wielded a shakujo of the same substance, so I'm assuming they were both born with Kekkei Mōra, in which case, I suppose the name ''would'' make a little more sense, but then again, Indra and Ashura inherited different abilities from Hagoromo, so I guess not.
   
So it's confirmed, he hasn't demonstrated maintaining Sage Mode for ten minutes during the war. Thanks for correcting that statement. But if it's possible could you also post that he can only stay in Sage Mode for five minutes? Like how it's stated in the article that he's shown that he could stay in Nine Tails Chakra Mode for most of the morning of the war. I think that's something worth mentioning.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 23:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
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@Elveonora - genetics don't have squat to do with with it since neither Kaguya, nor Obito or Madara obtained it through genetics. Obito continued to be able to use it TSB after he lost the Jūbi, so my guess is that's Kekkei Mōra genetically alters the hosts of all nine bijū to become capable of it. That is the only logical explanation I can think of.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 16:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Why deleted ==
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My point is that if you truly insist on him being listed as kekkei mora user then you might as well list him as kekkei genkai user and add Lava Release etc. to his list of kekkei genkai, because it's the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:And I think he should be since jinchūriki evidently retain their bijū powers even after extraction.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 18:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::But he was never their jinchuuriki.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::: According to you and you alone. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:45, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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::::No, according to the author. If you deem me the author, then you are giving me too much credit--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:37, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Why was the section here deleted ? Was it inaccurate information ? --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 10:45, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
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== Naruto Yin Release ==
   
==Quality of Page==
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[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)Naruto's Profile[[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
I think that the images on [[Naruto]]'s page should include more epic headings under them. I mean, for Naruto vs [[Tobi]], I think it should be just that, Naruto vs Tobi! I just don't feel like all of them really explain well enough what's happening in the picture. Also, this page in a couple of ways is majorly undone/incomplete. It is supposed to summarize Naruto's missions and experiences, but that doesn't mean even minor info should be included. E.g., Naruto's fight against Sasuke on the hospital rooftop should be included with a picture of it as well as Naruto's briefly shown date with Sakura at [[Ichiraku]], may or may not need a picture. More images of events(canon) should be included instead of like a single picture for each flippin arc, ya know!
 
:This wikia doesn't really do "epic headings" wherever the image is, the content should speak for it. As for the rest of what you're asking is impossible to do unless you want the page to load some time next year. The wikia is not a substitute for you watching or reading the actual series.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:56, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Since it's been confirmed that the truth-seeking balls have Yin-Yang release, shouldn't it say that Naruto has Yin release as well as Yang release on his profile since Yin-Yang release can only be made by both?
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:No, since he shouldn't have any natures besides Wind Release in his infobox to begin with. Just Because Kaguya's Truth Seeking Balls are x natures doesn't mean so are Naruto's--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:07, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== something strange ==
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I knew this would come up within the day. Yes, Naruto has TSB. TSB is a Kekkei Mōra. TSB is compromised of all 5 basic elemental natures and Yin-Yang. Yin should be added to the list. But it's not going to because then Elveonora would throw a fit and the sysops are tired of it, so in the interest of avoiding that, they're not adding Yin.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 18:39, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
When kurama gave chakra to kakashi and Gai their injuries were not healed and kurama's chakra has the ability to heal injuries whenever it was lend to the given person, i am thinking that naruto's healing ability comes from his ownself and not from kurama. --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 09:56, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
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Exactly. Even though he still holds on to the ridiculous theory that naruto only nature is wind in general and his TSB. [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 19:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
:Guy didn't sustain any physical damage except he was bleeding a fair bit which has stopped and Kakashi does still have the x in his flak jacket but doesn't seem to be bleeding...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:27, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
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:Manga evidence support it, but whatever, go on Naruto fanboys, eat his ***, you are good at it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Again, in your mind, and yours alone. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Naruto Acadamy ==
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I have just one simple question for you Elveonora. How can one have Yin-Yang if one lacks Yin?--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 01:11, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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: Read above. He doesn't believe Naruto has any other element other than wind, because apparently, he missed the last fifty chapters of the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I agree it's nonsensical to list YYR bot not Yin. In my opinion both YYR and Yang should be removed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok I have a question: Correct me if I am wrong but it did state that Naruto fail the graduation exam two times. I asked my friend and he said that he must have taken it early...Why didn't Sasuke take it early? We all know he would have. And Naruto is younger than most of his classmates. How did he fail twice but is still younger than his graduating class?
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== Naruto Changing (Darker?) ==
--[[User:Mtn Dew Stud|Click this black link to go to my Talk page]] ([[User talk:Mtn Dew Stud|talk]]) 03:44, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
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Hey guys, this is just a quick question for your own opinion so it's really not that important but what do you think of Naruto's Demeanor in the recent chapters? I mean, when you look at that panel of Naruto staring upwards after he punched black zetsu into the chibaku tensei and in the recent chapter when he looks at Sasuke after his "Revolution declaration" doesn't he seem like he's just a tad bit more darker? What do you guys think? >: ) [[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 01:32, September 11, 2014
:These aren't the types of questions that should be asked here, it isn't a forum. These aren't even the things people should be over-thinking so much. If you like, we have an [[w:c:naruto.answers|answers wikia]] you can pose the question to.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:46, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
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:this isnt the appropriate place to ask this question. try making a seperate discussion thread for it. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 01:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I kinda think it is Munchtec because the question itself relates to whether or not someone should edit Naruto's Personality article [[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 03:13, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
== Cloak of Invisibility Technique ==
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:::nah. i dont think it's really needed. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 03:15, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::well the article is already here so you might as well tell us what you think of the question :) [[User:Rainonme2|Rainonme2]] ([[User talk:Rainonme2|talk]]) 03:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Is there a reason it is not on either Naruto or Konohamaru's skill lists? Naruto clearly uses it to give his pursuers the slip in episode 1. {{unsigned|46.40.85.203}}
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:::::it's really not needed. add it if u want to but it will be reverted by someone other then myself. no offense though. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 03:24, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Foremost, I suggest you to fix your signature--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:35, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Unless the person is a particularly notable user of the technique eg. Shisui of the Body Flicker, 1000 transformations Kazan, we don't list users of general use ninja skills. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 20:15, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Usuratonkachi ==
 
 
Can 'Usuratonkachi' be included in the infobox? Just wondering. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 00:57, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Whut's thaaat?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:50, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
He is just trolling... it's what Sasuke used to call Naruto, a useless clumsy idiot/dumbass. I don't think we should list that as his title/nickname lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:But Sakura and Ino had nicknames like Dekorin (forehead girl) and Ino-buta (Ino-pig) respectively. So why not Naruto? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:53, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Trying to come up with a good anti-argument... O_O someone help me, I had no idea till now that Sakura and Ino have those things in their infobox--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If that was used more than once, and exclusively to Naruto (unlike, let's say, "scaredy cat", which both Sasuke and Naruto called each other at some point), and if it's properly referenced, fine by me. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra Transfer technique ==
 
 
You might want to put in something about Naruto's new Chakra Transfer tech. Your thoughts? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 22:11, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:[[Chakra Transfer Technique]] isn't unique, but mentioning that Naruto can no do it like a Tailed Beast is fine.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:15, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Wasn't it an instance of Naruto using chakra transfer when he helped Chiyo revive Gaara?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== cleanup idea ==
 
 
It's pointless to have [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki#Jinch.C5.ABriki_Transformations this] when a redirect to [[Naruto Uzumaki's Jinchūriki Forms]] would be more than enough, don't you think? Why to have noted the same thing twice?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Removing it completely won't be right... Maybe we could shorten it more.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:00, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Yep, shortening. "As a host of Kurama, the Nine-Tails, Naruto benefits from this and that, refer to his jinchuriky transformations article for more information" or something akin to that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::One line and repetition of the {{tlx|main}}?
 
:::It should have atleast a paragraph of '''good quality''', ''maybe'' similar to what is in its Relationships section.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:26, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
Yes, that was just an example that I have used. That goes for jinchuriky section. Overall, his whole abilities section should be streamlined. For example, I don't think we should note him making a Rasengan without Shadow Clones or two of them at once WITH Kurama's chakra (this should stay purely in host forms article) the reason for this is because everyone with Kurama's chakra can do things they couldn't before. It's not Naruto's own skill--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:42, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra Prowess ==
 
 
There's a section in Sasuke's article detailing his Chakra Prowess.
 
 
Don't you guys think that Naruto's article needs to have a section like that?--[[User:Itachi7000|Itachi7000]] ([[User talk:Itachi7000|talk]]) 01:20, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
: No. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 10:08, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Correction to many pages ==
 
 
The correction I am speaking of is the Drilling Air Bullets listed under ninjutsu that Naruto can use. It says it is only used in a game. I think they are talking about Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3, where he can use Wind Release: Air Bullets, not Drilling Air Bullets. It should be changed to such, since the Naruto, Drilling Air Bullets, and Air Bullet page are all incorrect. I am not sure how to change it, so I am posting this so someone else will. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 02:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:The customisable wind technique Naruto can use in that game actually is Wind Release: Drilling Air Bullet, the kanji are the same. The reason it shows in Naruto's infobox is due to a software but in the extension used to make the infoboxes, something not easily fixable from our end. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
Sorry to correct you, but I have the game on right now and it is Wind Release: Air Bullets. There is a separate page for air bullets. the only one who uses the drilling air bullet is the one tails. BUT since you say it is difficult to change, I won't ask you to correct it. Just please realize that it is in fact on the wrong page. Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 05:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:And if you would bother looking at the article on that technique, you would see that Air Bullet is how the name of this technique was translated in English, for example, on TV. We add different translations if they differ between themselves. I have seen screenshots of the game in Japanese, and the kanji are the same. There's a reason we go to lengths to have the kanji of techniques, so we can get proper translations. Viz does a good job on dialogue, but the name of stuff sometimes gets change so instead of accuracy, it's either better sounding or simpler to understand. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:47, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
ok lets just mention pure logic. which is more likely: naruto using a technique that only the one tails can use or the one that is listed as a wind style jutsu that could technically be learned by anyone? come on. if you dont understand that there is a page for wind style air bullets here it is. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Wind_Release:_Air_Bullets simple enough. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:23, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
:That is an unnamed technique article. When manga or anime shows a technique without naming it, we create the article on the technique using a descriptive, generic name for it. That article in question was created when Nagato used that in an anime exclusive sequence, in March, last year. The game in which Naruto used the technique was released in 2009. And also, I should remind you: Naruto used the technique ''in a game''. If you search for the kanji for other custom techniques from that game we also have articles on, specifically "雷遁・雷震閃" and "水遁・大鉄砲玉", you will find sites that list the kanji for custom jutsu certain characters can use. Among them, you will see the kanji for Shukaku's Wind Release technique. And to put the final nail on this topic: [http://bbs.tgbus.com/thread-770711-1-1.html here is a thread] in a forum, with screenshots of the game in Japanese (the forum is in Chinese, the screenshots are in Japanese). In the second image below the character selection screen, where custom jutsu are selectable, you will see the kanji for that Wind Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
It can have the same kanji and still have a different meaning. the names are so similar that they would probably have the same one. i dont know much about the japanese language, but this is the case with basically every language ever. but thats all i feel like arguing on this one case. Try not to base your whole argument on only one thing. [[Special:Contributions/192.183.30.172|192.183.30.172]] ([[User talk:192.183.30.172|talk]]) 21:58, February 4, 2013 (UTC)Adam
 
 
== Taijutsu benchmark ==
 
 
So, looking through some recent changes to the article, I noticed someone readded a sentence to Naruto's taijutsu section, mentioning his taijutsu performance against Itachi. I know Itachi is great and all, but since when does he figure as a taijutsu benchmark? Itachi hardly has any taijutsu feats to reliably make him something to compare taijutsu aptitude with. If you want to go with databooks stats, yes he's skilled, but so is Orochimaru in genjutsu. I recall removing something like that last year. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:56, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sharingan user + high taijutsu score = fast.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
High taijutsu score means skill, not power. Sharingan itself isn't speed, just perception. I get the speed argument though, but those are not quite the arguments to make for it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:39, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Naruto's taijutsu is certainly above average, just look at people like Shikamaru, Ino and pretty much his peers, I'm yet to see them do some serious taijutsu fight... the only capable are Lee, Choji, Sakura, Hinata and perhaps Kiba (R.I.P. Neji) and the only one who can equal him in terms of physical strength and speed is Lee. But not to talk only about strength and speed, his fighting style/technique also matters... he knows frog punches and kicks and ****
 
Being equal in taijutsu to not-ill Itachi who has a Sharingan thus can follow and predict movements speaks for itself alone, but if that's not enough for ya, then take into consideration the above as well, so... Oh, he also managed to keep up with Pain in his base mode for a short while and deflected Sasuke's kunai meant to kill Sakura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:16, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'm not trying to downplay Naruto's taijutsu, I'm just saying that comparing it to Itachi's doesn't feel like the way to sell it. It's like saying pizza is good because the dough is tasty. Pizza is good, but dough isn't what gives it flavour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:21, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Background ==
 
The "background" - part of this side looks horribly deplaced. could somebody fix it so there is not such a giant gap?[[Special:Contributions/94.135.138.160|94.135.138.160]] ([[User talk:94.135.138.160|talk]]) 23:53, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Click "show" on the content section between the introduction and the background sections. Other than doing that, we can't help you.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:37, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
::amazing, it worked! xD[[Special:Contributions/94.135.138.160|94.135.138.160]] ([[User talk:94.135.138.160|talk]]) 13:49, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Bio section==
 
I don't usually edit on this Wiki (I visit on occasion though), but the bio section for Naruto is ridiculously detailed and long. I'd suggest cutting it down considerably. People seem to forget that since the series is about Naruto's life, the summaries of what happen in the arcs is essentially what happens to him. I think it would be best to summarize the main points of the Arcs, and refer the reader to the main articles for additional information. Some parts of his bio seem to go on endlessly about innocuous information. I haven't even read the whole thing because its just way too much information. --[[User:Ketchup Revenge|Ketchup Revenge]] ([[User talk:Ketchup Revenge|talk]]) 06:48, February 6, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Fire Release Nature Type Edit

I don't know if this has been discussed already, but I was wondering why exactly does Naruto have Fire Release in his infobox? Shouldn't he not have it at all? He cannot actually use his own chakra or any chakra at all to produce fire techniques. Magnet and Lava Release I understand, but Fire Release is a whole different thing. He used an explosive tag to perform a collaborative technique with Gamabunta. Again take patience with me if this has been discussed, but I couldn't find it so I'm bringing it up. Banan14kab 04:10, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

Refer to many topics regarding the same matter all over the place. Guys list him as a Fire and Earth Release user because he did a Lava Rasenshuriken. He didn't mold those natures himself, so in my opinion he shouldn't be listed, but it's not like my opinion has any value around here or anything--Elveonora (talk) 10:09, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Go cry somewhere else, I'm sick of you playing the victim. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)
Don't confuse cynicism with martyr complex--Elveonora (talk) 12:45, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

So can anyone actually answer my questions...? Banan14kab 15:52, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

  • He has it because he made a Lava release Rasenshuriken. Since Lava release is made of fire and earth nature. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 17:12, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
He didn't make the lava tho, Son Goku phantom did--Elveonora (talk) 17:13, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
Can you stop it with your double standard, Elveonora? Naruto using Lava Release is no different than Roshi using Lava Release. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:38, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
And before this spirals into the realm of goddamnit, let's leave it at that.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 18:50, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
@SSS, and you know that exactly because?... We didn't see how it worked in Roshi's case. But we know how it doesn't in Naruto's. So we either assume Roshi couldn't use Fire and Earth either and remove the natures from his infobox so it's even or that he could and keep them as are. But for Naruto, there's no reason to keep them--Elveonora (talk) 19:18, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
You have a point Elve, but I'm just going to agree with Ultimate since that is the majority anyway. We all know Son Goku provided the chakra needed for Lava Release, but Naruto made the technique. I guess the same thing applies to his Sage Art: Magnet Release Rasengan technique. So yea...it's what Naruto does with the chakra the beasts provided him. Banan14kab 22:01, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
For the sake of not flying into a fit of insane rage that this is yet again a topic being argued here (on this very talk page no less), with Elveonora using the same flawed logic that has been disproved every time he's argued it, I will just say agreed with TheUltimate. Elve wants to say Rōshi mystically has the same kekkei genkai as Son Gokū, but that they have no relation whatsoever, as a scapegoat to give him an excuse to unlist Naruto, but it will not prevail, because we all know the source of Rōshi's Lava Release, no matter how much he, or anyone else for that matter, denies it. Leave it at that for the love of all that is good and holy. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 23:06, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
I never said that he had Lava KKG only Fire and Earth. Also even if he had, Lava KKG is quite common--Elveonora (talk) 10:25, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
At first I was asking. Now I am telling. Enough. No new information has been provided and we will not have another endless debate over who is right and wrong. This ends. Now.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:30, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

Just chill?--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, June 7, 2014 (UTC)

being that every Jinchuuriki gains access to the nature types of their tailed beasts its safe to assume that even if the tailed beasts were removed that Naruto would still have access to said techniques. look at Gaara he had shukaku removed from him years ago yet he still has access to earth release. Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:06, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

When did Gaara use Earth Release? Also basic natures aren't hereditary, since everyone can use them, they just have to learn how--Elveonora (talk) 14:02, June 13, 2014 (UTC)
Think he means magnet. Assuming, of course, thats what sand manipulation is. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 17:52, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Gaara can control sand sand is a specific earth release techniqueActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)actionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 07:36, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

And yet we have specifically named Wind Release techniques about sand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
If you're referring to the 'Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud — Great Breakthrough' then that's only a Wind Release technique because of the 'Great Breakthrough' part. The sand has nothing to do with the element, wind just makes the sand a lot more versatile. I definitely disagree with sand being related to Earth Release though. If that was true half of Suna would be using sand-based techniques. Atrix471 (talk) 15:55, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yin-Yang Release Edit

I beeive we should add ying-yang release to naruto or delete them from truth seeking ball Because we can't say that Naruto didn't use ying-yang release while he use truth seeking ball which are ying-yang release. So we got two options

   1 ==> Naruto don't use yin-yan release (TSB aren't yin-yang release )
   2 ==> TSB are yin-yan release (nARUTO USES YIN-yang release )

Because we can't say a=b & b=c then a#c .—This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

TSB ain't YYR, it should have been removed long ago--Elveonora (talk) 10:13, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

I've just edited them right now —This unsigned comment was made by User:Asesino04 (talkcontribs) .

Long story short: when it first started showing ninjutsu cancelling effect, people added it to TSB. I agree with them not being YYR per se, and would like to attribute that effect to a separate technique, but the rationale of its use without the cancelling effect being a result of not having control over the technique, like shown with Obito, was enough for me to consider it, can't speak for others. Since every posterior of them was against senjutsu, we can't really say they don't have the cancelling effect. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:31, June 5, 2014 (UTC)

In truth Yin-Yang Release should be added to every shinobi's page. the simple reason in order mould chakra for ninjutsu it's necessary to utilize both Yin and Yang. More over non-elemental techniques such as the Shadow Imitation Technique, Multi-Size Technique, medical ninjutsu, genjutsu are all Yin-Yang Release According to Yamato Actionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)ActionmanrandellActionmanrandell (talk) 13:19, June 13, 2014 (UTC)

Why was Yin Yang Release added back to Naruto's page? KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 22:29, September 11, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Actual age Edit

Many chapters earlier Minato told Naruto "Tommorow is day of your birth". It was quite long ago, so shouldn't 17 be in his infobox now?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 16:10, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Once the moon is gone and sun can be seen on the sky, then yes.--Elveonora (talk) 16:35, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflict. No. Go read the relevant topics in archives 15 and 13. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:39, June 8, 2014 (UTC)

Flight Technique Edit

How come the flight technique is not listed as one of Naruto's techniques? Can someone explain it to me?--Solidedub (talk) 02:00, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

There are many mysteries in the universe. Some more apparent to the naked eye than others. But they stay mysterious only for as long as you are unaware of the truth behind them. Sometimes it's better not to know the truth, since it may not be the way you expected it to be. I won't spoil this mystery for you, since there's magic to the unbeknownst--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
I remember that it used to be in the list, if you take a look at the Flight Technique page, you can see that he is still shown as an user, so perhaps it was removed by accident or something HellHawkX (talk) 15:32, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
It's there, just click on "jutsu"--Elveonora (talk) 15:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Not showing up for me, can anyone else see it or is it just a bug on my side? HellHawkX (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Nope, not here either. Atrix471 (talk) 15:39, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
Consider performing null edits on both this page and Infobox:Naruto Uzumaki. The Null Edit button can be found on the drop down menu next to the Edit button. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 15:41, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Sensor Type Edit

For the past few chapters Naruto has had the ability to sense others. Shouldn't he eb classified as a Sensor Type as well? Or is it that he can only sense Sasuke since they both have half of Hagoromo's power? Still in any ccase wouldn't he still be a sensor? Banan14kab 14:44, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

He is using both senjutsu and chakra mode (both of which allow him to sense chakra with the latter also negative emotions) so if he wasn't listed earlier, why should he now? Although I'm with you and in my opinion he should be listed, but sysops and so disagree.--Elveonora (talk) 14:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Well maybe he wasn't listed earlier simply because no one thought of it...that's why I'm bringing it up now. Banan14kab 22:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Many people thought of it, the stance of the "elite" is still no, we mortals can do nothing about it--Elveonora (talk) 22:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
A simple way to explain this is as follows: Any 'perk' Naruto gains thanks to a Tailed Beast, ability, chakra mode, etc. etc. is not a power of his creation, and therefor cannot be listed in his infobox. Certain circumstances can circumvent this rule (implantation of Hashirama's genes giving the Wood Release, for example) but this rule almost always applies. --Atrix471 (talk) 22:17, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Funny, people are against listing his sensory ability in infobox because it's "from a tailed beast" yet are swift to list any nature he might (not) have in his infobox because a tailed beast.--Elveonora (talk) 23:30, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

For once I agree with Elve. How Naruto goes about sensing chakra is irrelevant, just as how he goes about using the advanced natures is irrelevant. He can sense chakra. He's a sensor. Period. That takes all of three brain cells to figure out. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 23:33, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
So be it, but then how does that differ from putting Lava Release in his Kekkei Genkai box? There's no contrast, so I don't see why there are so many conflicting opinions. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:37, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
People can't settle on some consistency ^_ Double standards everywhere it seems. Although I'm glad Foxie agrees this time, because of that (if Naruto gets listed as sensor) I won't oppose any future natures he might (not) use from now on :P But Kurama is a senor too then--Elveonora (talk) 23:40, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Wait... what? How does that make Kurama a sensor? Naruto can actively sense chakra, but Kurama can only sense negative emotions, which is pretty limited. Oh, and if Naruto is made a sensor, then I'm gonna pretty much demand that Madara be made a sage. I'm not being a fanboy here, he literally has 'Sage Art' in a technique name, that should be evidence enough! --Atrix471 (talk) 23:45, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Naruto can not only sense negative emotions, but also chakra in chakra mode. And I already explained Madara to you.--Elveonora (talk) 23:50, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Yes you did, and I still disagree. If Naruto is a sensor using the tailed beasts, then Madara can is a sage using Hashirama's... chest-face. Again, there is no contrast here. They are both borrowed powers that the person came to use for themselves. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Madara isn't a sensor for the same reason Hashirama isn't a medical ninja, among other reasons. A Sage is someone who masters Senjutsu at a magical place, having been tutored by Yoda or some pipe pimp. Absorbing Senjutsu to a copy of Hashirama's face doesn't make Madara a Sage.--Elveonora (talk) 00:03, July 10, 2014 (UTC)
So you're saying that a sensor can only be a sensor if they learn it, rather than getting it elsewhere? If that's the case, how do we know Hashirama learned it fairly? That seems like a very arbitrary and convoluted rule to apply. He can manipulate and use Nature Energy to alter and improve his techniques, doesn't that imply a mastery of Senjutsu? Or can someone who never learns to manipulate Senjutsu just 'use' the energies willy-nilly? That face is a part of him, and if it allows him to accurately use Naruto Energy without it overwhelming his body, then that works for me. --Atrix471 (talk) 00:14, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't listing Naruto as a sensor type because of senjutsu sort of the same as listing him as a medical-nin because of Yang Release? As far as we know, sensor type, like medical-nin, is an actual classification of shinobi, not just a term for anyone who can sense chakra through some means (which is literally everyone, to some extent). Can't he be a user of "sensing" (through Sage Mode and chakra mode) but not an official "sensor type"?--BeyondRed (talk) 01:48, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, considering there's sensor division, it indeed is a classification. But in that case we would have to remove people like Tobirama as sensors because there were never stated to specialize on battlefield as sensors for example, so /shrugs--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, July 10, 2014 (UTC)

Boil Release? Edit

I see Han and Kokuō have been acreddited with this ability, which I don't mind, so I suppose Naruto has it too now?--Reliops (talk) 23:10, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think that's more of the matter that Han and Kokuō haven't been removed from the Boil Release infobox. We had a heated conversation regarding this already (on a technique page, not here), and we decided there was inconclusive evidence. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:14, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I see. I take it makes sense though. I mean, we know that the bijū don't really use conventional elements with the exception of Matatabi and Kurama really (and maybe Gyūki, who can use ink). Shūkaku uses Magnetism. Isobu uses coral. Son Goku uses Lava. Kokuō uses some kind of steam based techniques that could be Boil Release. Chōmei uses scales. I wouldn't be surprised if Kokuō, Han and Naruto all use some variant of Boil Release. I mean, just look at the different variants of Lava Release; actual lava, syrup like lava, quicklime, vulcanised rubber... It definitely wouldn't be much of a surprise.--Reliops (talk) 23:30, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

That case was actually already brought into question. Like I said, we had a discussion already --Atrix471 (talk) 23:46, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

I thought they were already removed??? If not, they should be asap.--Elveonora (talk) 23:51, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

They were removed from everything but the Boil Release infobox, I think. Someone who can edit it needs to do it. --Atrix471 (talk) 23:53, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yang SealEdit

Shouldn't we make an article for his Yang seal and Sasuke's Yin Seal? —This unsigned comment was made by Officialkamuiblade (talkcontribs) .

Naruto's seal could be an article, but even then it would either be mostly guesswork or would be a little short. Sasuke's seal we know absolutely nothing about, other than the fact it's a part of this 'ultimate sealing technique' (and its nature). --Atrix471 (talk) 16:51, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
^ What he said. Also, please sign your posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 16:52, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that, anyway there have been articles that were created on less during their debuts like Kaguya and Hamura (Who's article is almost complete speculation). -- Officialkamuiblade

It's the truth that their seals were in fact stated to be techniques. So I suppose articles will be made eventually--Elveonora (talk) 17:03, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Well I realize that, but I've been informed in the past that we don't make placeholder articles, so they'll be made when appropriate. Also: character articles are different, you can gloss over techniques in a character's ability section, but you can't just gloss over a full character. --Atrix471 (talk) 17:06, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto apperiance in his Six Paths Sage TechniqueEdit

On chapter 686 wsj cover Naruto skin is not glowing despite it did in chapter 678(Official Full Color Version), which source is more reliable? Rage gtx (talk) 08:11, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

wsj covers aren't done by manakas, people just went full retard over it, Sasuke's Rinnegan isn't confirmed purple--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
^Yeah, I need a source for that. • Seelentau 愛 10:35, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Source for what? Magazine cover isn't part of the chapter itself neither is exclusive to Naruto but is a magazine covering many Shounen mangas (Naruto, Once Piece, Bleach etc.)--Elveonora (talk) 10:41, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
And neither are the colour comics versions. Both of these official colourings are far from definitive and neither should be treated as the more credible.--Soul reaper (talk) 10:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Exactly. But until the volume cover is out, the digital one is "more canon" than WSJ cover, which bases the colors on the anime and games most of the time--Elveonora (talk) 10:54, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
What makes the digital one more canon than the WSJ one? • Seelentau 愛 10:57, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Barely anything, perhaps besides the digital one being actual colored manga while WSJ covers aren't part of manga. For all intends and purposes, red isn't canon either, but it's at least official, even thought not necessarily canon, just like anime--Elveonora (talk) 11:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Then again, you said you weren't sure who colors the cover pages, didn't you? • Seelentau 愛 11:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I did then, now I know.--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

And for that knowledge I need a source. • Seelentau 愛 11:25, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
The WSJ covers are done by staff. Even you could join them and draw what's there. It's more or less fanon most of the time.--Elveonora (talk) 11:55, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Says who? • Seelentau 愛 11:58, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
Google it. They are hiring artists and editors. If it were done by mangakas, they wouldn't need them.--Elveonora (talk) 12:00, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone is jumping the gun on Sasuke's Rinnegan being purple shouldn't the rest of the wiki being doing the same with Naruto. You can't leave the main star behind--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:28, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

The way Naruto is drawn on the SWJ cover is too fishy. Why would he headband be chakra modish but not his face?--Elveonora (talk) 20:36, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

I agree but you can't have a double standard with this thing. Since this wiki is going with how Sasuke's Rinnegan looks like on this cover you have to do the same with Naruto.--Narutofox94 (talk) 22:45, July 23, 2014 (UTC)


New title Edit

He was called "Konoha's Miracle Boy" by one of the people who wanted his autograph. Just need a translation if it was to be kept. --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 19:38, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

Stockholm Syndrome Edit

Lol what? Does Goku suffer from same illness who became friends with Piccolo and Vegeta, or Ichigo especially in fullbringer arc? This is shonen manga! Moreover have editor Ph.D in psychology do diagnose such illness? Rage gtx (talk) 12:12, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I already removed it, because seriously. Not only the entire passage was a longer version of what is already linked to by the summary in the Relationship article, the tenacity and empathy thing.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:14, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it true though? Just because it may sound silly doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. It's like one of the most glaring traits about Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 12:15, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Nope. Stokholm syndrome is basically a coping mechanism. When everything is terrible people basically look for a single ray of hope. What Naruto exhibits is the standard personality of a Shonen style protagonist. Stories targeted at young people go to great lengths to establish that "this guy is the good guy". Naruto, Goku, Aang, they're all created is the absolute hero. They're so good they have the ability to empathize and forgive just about anyone. It's a standard for the genre, not a cause to diagnose psychological conditions.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Would it still be too much even if the part about stockholm syndrome were to be removed? Seriously, I'm pretty sure we have some "psychological analyses" in personality sections of other characters.--Elveonora (talk) 12:23, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
I think it would still need a fair bit of rewording, and a lot of the relevant factors are already covered. I think the most important part of it his is his ability to see the good in everyone given the chance. Its been there from the very beginning with Zabuza and Haku. I don't think it's really deserving of a whole paragraph. If handled properly it would be fine but again, I think most of it is there already.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:28, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Well, if you guys insist so... and there I spent my precious time writing that only for it to have gotten removed T_T And it's one thing to see good in everyone and be very forgiving and another to praise bad people, like seriously. It can be summarized as "Naruto is a ninja-Jesus" but I think my version was well written, for my standards anyway :P--Elveonora (talk) 12:33, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

I don't really see Naruto praising anyone who's bad. Even his statement about Obito was prefaced by "Obito wanted to be Hokage". In a sense he's not so much praising the version of Obito who killed his parents and tried to destroy the world, he's praising the version of Obito that existed before, and that resurfaced after fighting Naruto. Either way the fact remains that the series is never ambiguous about Naruto's optimistic outlook, it always treats it as a good quality. Trying to present it as a psychological issue is simply inaccurate to the series itself, even if a real person would be diagnosed as such.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:44, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Weird. When it comes to Sasuke, people are prone to throw around their diagnoses about the state of his mental health, but Naruto is treated like a saint rather than a psychiatric patient. Oh, well. ^_--Elveonora (talk) 12:49, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
They can throw around their diagnoses all they want, for any character, so long as they don't put them into the articles. The only time such information should be present in an article is if the author has made a statement regarding it, or if it is referenced in the story itself.--Soul reaper (talk) 12:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Should this be stated somewhere? Edit

Hagoromo not only gave his powers but Juubi powers as well, after they received the powers Naruto could manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Fly while Sasuke awakened a unique Rinnegan. Only Jinchuriki of the Juubi can manipulate Truth-Seeking Balls and Naruto possesses the chakra of all nine Bijuu while Sasuke's Rinnegan is red with six tomoe. The unique form of Sasuke's Rinnegan is due to Juubi influence.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:30, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

The Ten-Tails is a culmination of all nine Tailed Beasts. Naruto contains portions of all nine beasts. Do the math... and Sasuke's Rinnegan ain't red. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:32, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of both of your statements, but they must have some Ten-Tails influence.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 19:50, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

You were aware of both my statements and yet you explicitly mentioned Sasuke's Rinnegan being red? That doesn't sound dubious at all. Now, in a way I guess you could say the powers they gained do have Ten-Tails influence, but that's simply due to what the Ten-Tails is. The Ten-Tails was the original Tailed Beast and is a manifestation of Kaguya, the first possessor of the Rinnegan. So yeah, I guess you could say they are related, but only for those reasons. --Atrix471 (talk) 19:54, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do and there's no reason to state the obvious. Hagoromo got his chakras from Kaguya who is the Ten-Tails, so him lending people chakra equals him lending Ten-Tails' chakra.--Elveonora (talk) 19:56, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Should it be stated somewhere?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 21:25, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple

There's no reason to do so. All the power Naruto and Sasuke got was from Hagoromo, and the nine Tailed Beasts in Naruto's case. if anything, Kaguya's power was given to them, but... there's just no reason to get technical. --Atrix471 (talk) 21:36, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

sections split Edit

I now this has been discussed already, but I've come to agree that it would be good to split it a little bit. It takes too long for the page to load and will take even longer before the series is over. Perhaps a separate article for his abilities or so--Elveonora (talk) 19:31, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 13:09, August 9, 2014 (UTC) Is this why they didnt display the full list of Naruto's powers and jutsu ? Cuz now the eruption power is missing and the acid creation and steam creation still not added...

Tabs would be nice, like the ones the One Piece wikia uses.--Reliops (talk) 15:08, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about that, when I looked at other wikis using that style seemed awkward. Maybe I'm just used to the style here... --Atrix471 (talk) 20:07, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

Can this finally be unlocked? Edit

Especially since the new chapter has been released?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Specify first what you would like to add that.--Elveonora (talk) 09:36, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai Edit

Whgy we don't add Wood Release & Magnet Release & Lava Release as Kekkei Genkai to Naruto Uzumaki even thought it can be considered a tailed beast skills In Madara's case his third eye (rinnegan) is a tailed beast skill due to being the jinchuriki of the ten tailed beast However it still a kekkei genkai

Because he doesn't have the genetical anomaly that is the basis for the Kekkei Genkai. • Seelentau 愛 19:09, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
To add on to what Seel said, Kekkei literally means 'bloodline'. If it isn't in his blood, it ain't his Kekkei Genkai.--Atrix471 (talk) 20:08, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Rinnegan can be achieved my merger of two chakras and isn't in the bloodline, yet we label it kkg :P--Elveonora (talk) 20:10, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Because it was labeled as a KKG in the last databook. I think it's still somewhat a KKG because you most likely(?) need the Sharingan for it... probably... I hate this manga. • Seelentau 愛 20:13, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Remember, it isn't just chakra, it requires fully integrated cells from a Senju and the eyes of an Uchiha. It isn't so simple as a chakra donation from tailed beast(s). It becomes a part of their body. --Atrix471 (talk) 20:17, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
Except it doesn't requires cells or eyes, but chakras of Ashura and Indra merged.--Elveonora (talk) 20:18, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
You need Hagoromo's chakra (Made from Indra and Asura's) and the EMS to awaken the Rinnegan, not just Hagoromo's chakra alone. Naruto got Hagoromo's chakra, but didn't get a Rinnegan because he didn't have the EMS. You need the EMS & Indra and Asura's chakras (To bring forth Hagoromo's)/Or just plain Hagoromo's chakra in Sasuke's case to awaken the Rinnegan. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 14:53, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Isn't the Sharingan in itself already Indra's chakra though?--Elveonora (talk) 20:23, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. Yes, the Uchiha are Indra's descendants, but only Indra's reincarnations have his chakra. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:27, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
His descendants have diluted version of his chakra though. Remember, we were told that Indra inherited the Sage's eyes, meaning the chakra Indra inherited is the Sharingan--Elveonora (talk) 20:29, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

Do we add the elements of the gudoudama or no ? Edit

This page is changing alot with edits and undo... either he has the elements of the gudoudama or not ?Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 19:12, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

No.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 19:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
They've been re-added back by Sajuuk tho--Elveonora (talk) 20:39, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
Then get rid of it again.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 20:50, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
You might wanna lock the infobox after they've been removed @TU3. We don't need that madness to start. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:57, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Age?!?!?1ß Edit

The chapter's been out for like forEVER, why isn't he being listed as 17 yet? ugh -.- • Seelentau 愛 11:13, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Ur pants are wet aren't they. Anyway, done--Elveonora (talk) 11:39, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
The box was locked for me. :O • Seelentau 愛 11:49, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Can someone unlock this page so that we could add the elements ? Edit

You know since Kishi said its not wood... it was water... i think its obivous that gudoudama has all 5 elements and the yin&yang thus it needs to be added Matianu.alexandruionut (talk) 19:36, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

So just as I was saying Edit

Naruto isn't a jinchuuriki of all the Tailed Beasts, just a pseudo-jinchuuriki. The only reason they are able to appear inside of him and talk is Tailed Beast Telepathy--Elveonora (talk) 10:57, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

He should be labelled as such.--Reliops (talk) 12:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

So will the responsible finally accept responsibility, admit having done a mistake and remove all that nonsense?--Elveonora (talk) 13:13, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Two things really.
  • 1st, I don't think it was just Telepathy because that doesn't explain how the tailed beasts, which where jumbled together as the Ten-Tails could even kind of be separate enough to give Naruto access to their abilities but still be under the complete control of the Ten-Tails for that to kind of makes sense or why they only started doing such things when Naruto met Hagoromo?
  • 2nd, even if so, what exactly would change in the article? Unless you want to take out the stuff we've seen Naruto do which oh lord no.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:18, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
The Tailed Beasts don't get merged inside the Gedo Mazo, they are there separate and are drained of their chakra. Just change him being their jinchuurii in his infobox to pseudo-jinchuuriki.--Elveonora (talk) 13:23, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
They were a giant ball of chakra, how is that not merging o.O. And I'm still on the fence about just accepting a pseudo-jinchūriki status, mainly because Minato still yells at me and I know your opinion on that so don't bother repeating it again here. Other people's opinion on the matter please.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

On second thought, Hagoromo's direct comparison between Naruto and Kaguya and his comment about their chakra seeping in to Naruto's (we'll need raws) throws me off. That, and the TSB just makes me think he's a pseudo Jūbi jinchūriki, though I suppose that would make him a pseudo jinchūriki by default. I dunno, I think we should wait until we at least have the raws.--Reliops (talk) 13:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

He was considered a Jinchhuriki while having only half of Kurama, the same goes for Minato. This chapter gave us bold letters that he just has Chakra of other TB. So, yes a pseudo for 1-tail to 8-tail, while being a Jinchuuriki for Kurama only.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 13:36, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Another thing that throws me off is the fact Hagoromo said Naruto would serve as some kind of meeting place for the bijū, like a communications hub or something. I made me think of the place place where Naruto met with Hagoromo and the nine beasts, when Hagoromo stated that line about the "blue eyed child that will call the nine bijū by their names and play with them" or whatever it was, something along those lines.--Reliops (talk) 13:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Considering the very same Tailed Beasts that were freed and subsequently captured and moved into the sky inside of giant boulders are supposed to meet inside of Naruto while being in the wild, them being inside of him was all along just that. Only their chakras are inside of Naruto and they simply can appear telepathically/mentally whatever there. EDIT: their "presence" inside of Naruto is no different than Hagoromo's was, really--Elveonora (talk) 13:50, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Did you fail to consider that when the tailed beast chakra's were pulled out of Obito, who was the Juubi's jinchūriki, the portion of Gyūki stored within became a second Gyūki? Go back and read that chapter. Who's to say that isn't what happened with Naruto? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 14:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Which is part of my problem and why I am hesitant to go with the "pseudo" thing. Like I keep saying, the fact that an entirely different Kurama existed within Minato is bothersome.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
People in the series considered Naruto a jinchhuriki with half a TB only, the same goes for Minato. But the same doesn't goes for the 1-Tail to 8-Tail In Naruto. Hagoromo would have said that you're a Jinchuuriki of all TB if he wanted, but he didn't, he just said that Naruto has Chakra from all TB.--MERCURIOUS (talk) 14:30, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Gyūki wasn't divided in Yin and Yang though. The entire situation is strange to say the least. I say we hold off of making any changes for now. Maybe the raws or subsequent chapters will shed some light.--Reliops (talk) 14:32, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

....And? That's the point. A mere tentacle of Gyūki was in the Ten-Tails when Obito was the jinchūriki and when it was pulled out, there were literally two Gyūki standing right beside each other. The chakra inside of Naruto is conscious enough to both give him aid and hold conversations with him and Hagoromo. Furthermore, @Mercurious, that is a ridiculous notion. Naruto had a full half of Kurama within him, which you lot say is enough to make him (and Minato) a jinchūriki, and Hagoromo simply said he had all their chakra within him. So does that mean, by your definition and logic, Naruto isn't a jinchūriki of any of them? Don't be ridiculous. This chapter hasn't disproved anything we've added up until now. Minato is the crux in this argument. If he's a jinchūriki for having only half of a tailed beast inside him (same goes for Naruto), the Naruto is a jinchūriki for having a portion of them (we don't know how much) inside of him. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's not my point. Naruto was called a Jinchuuriki, while he had a half tailed beast only. Minato is no different than Naruto. If Naruto a Jinchuuriki, then Minato is. Kinkaku was never called a Jinchuuriki, yet he had a TB chakra within him. That is the difference between Jinchuuriki and the so-called pseudo. Does he need to be the Jinchuuriki of all nine if he has their Chakra. Hagoromo could have said that Naruto is a Jinchuuriki of all Nine, but he didn't. He said that Naruto had their Chakra.

If you'll talk about them having a consciousness then pretty much it's the so called place of meeting. He said that you all will be able to communicate with each other. But if Naruto has a different nine TB then those communicating will be different, and that's ridiculous. In any case, that's not important I guess. You guys went and listed Obito as Jinchuuriki for Shukaku and Gyuuki, of course you would do the same for Naruto. Btw, you mentioned B, B is alive because he has one tail worth of Chakra from Gyuuki, does this mean that he has a different TB than the Gyuuki inside the TT?--MERCURIOUS (talk) 16:08, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

For the last time I'm gonna bother put emphasis on this, but Kurama having been split into Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama by Shiki Fujin isn't the same as being given a part of someone's chakra. There are literary two whole Kurama's, there are only one each of the other 8 Tailed Beasts though. They haven't been cloned, Hagoromo said that they can meet up inside of Naruto when they want, not that their clones will always be with Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 16:10, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

kekkei mora Edit

Are you guys even remotely serious? It's not him molding the natures, the Tailed Beasts phantoms are. When people wanted to add Naruto as kekkei genkai user, it was removed, because "it is tailed beast skill, not genetic" and yet, kekkei mora gets added even though it's same as kekkei genkai just the highest level? Makes sense "sarcasm"--Elveonora (talk) 13:55, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

The whole Kekkei part of it is confusing as hell. Aside from Hagoromo (and Hamura I would say), who had TSB before becoming a jinchūriki and was thus likely born with it, no one else gained it naturally.

  • Kaguya fused with the Shinju.
  • Obito and Madara became Jūbi jinchūriki.
  • Naruto has all the TB chakra so he's the same as them to a significant degree.

I find the term confusing as hell. It shouldn't be considered Bloodline-anything, and yet it is called that.--Reliops (talk) 14:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Well, kekkei tota can be taught, so there's that.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 14:31, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Dust Release being "passed down" could mean a number of things, including that Ōnoki might have been born with 3 affinities and simply had the potential to use it and was thus taught how. I really wish Kishimoto had called it something else because Kekkei implies Naruto would have the techniques himself now that he gained all TB chakra, which I don't even know is impossible anymore since Obito was able to use his TSB (staff) after he had the Jūbi extracted from him, which could mean a number of things, including that his DNA was changed permanently to be abel to use it. Weird, I know.--Reliops (talk) 15:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
@Reliops especially if you look on Kaguya who ate fruit gained chakra(and all her KKG`s) and passed down them to her children through dna.///Rage gtx (talk) 15:15, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Very true. Hagoromo and Hamura were both seen wielding identical shakujo made from TSB material so I'm guessing they were born as pseudo jinchūriki and inherited Kekkei Mōra naturally.--Reliops (talk) 15:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

@Elve: Oh really, so Obito had kekkei mōra prior to being a jinchūriki? Madara? Hagoromo? How about Kaguya before she ate the fruit and became the progenitor of chakra? Its very clear that there is nothing genetic about kekkei mōra and the TSB. Hagoromo directly compared Naruto to Kaguya by saying that they both had all nine tailed beasts chakra inside of them, so, considering that all known containers of either the nine beasts and/or the Ten-Tails gain the TSB kekkei mōra... I'd say the Bijū are the common factor here, wouldn't you? Or are you really suggesting that Madara, Obito, and Hagoromo molded all five natures and Yin-Yang together themselves? I'll take a rain check on that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:49, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

The term basically says it's genetic tho. So Naruto shouldn't be considered a user--Elveonora (talk) 16:06, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with you for the most part, Foxie, but Hagoromo had TSB before he became the Juūbi jinchūriki and Hamura also wielded a shakujo of the same substance, so I'm assuming they were both born with Kekkei Mōra, in which case, I suppose the name would make a little more sense, but then again, Indra and Ashura inherited different abilities from Hagoromo, so I guess not.

@Elveonora - genetics don't have squat to do with with it since neither Kaguya, nor Obito or Madara obtained it through genetics. Obito continued to be able to use it TSB after he lost the Jūbi, so my guess is that's Kekkei Mōra genetically alters the hosts of all nine bijū to become capable of it. That is the only logical explanation I can think of.--Reliops (talk) 16:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

My point is that if you truly insist on him being listed as kekkei mora user then you might as well list him as kekkei genkai user and add Lava Release etc. to his list of kekkei genkai, because it's the same thing--Elveonora (talk) 16:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

And I think he should be since jinchūriki evidently retain their bijū powers even after extraction.--Reliops (talk) 18:40, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
But he was never their jinchuuriki.--Elveonora (talk) 22:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
According to you and you alone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:45, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
No, according to the author. If you deem me the author, then you are giving me too much credit--Elveonora (talk) 10:37, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Yin Release Edit

Rainonme2 (talk) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)Naruto's ProfileRainonme2 (talk) 18:01, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Since it's been confirmed that the truth-seeking balls have Yin-Yang release, shouldn't it say that Naruto has Yin release as well as Yang release on his profile since Yin-Yang release can only be made by both?

No, since he shouldn't have any natures besides Wind Release in his infobox to begin with. Just Because Kaguya's Truth Seeking Balls are x natures doesn't mean so are Naruto's--Elveonora (talk) 18:07, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I knew this would come up within the day. Yes, Naruto has TSB. TSB is a Kekkei Mōra. TSB is compromised of all 5 basic elemental natures and Yin-Yang. Yin should be added to the list. But it's not going to because then Elveonora would throw a fit and the sysops are tired of it, so in the interest of avoiding that, they're not adding Yin.--Reliops (talk) 18:39, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Exactly. Even though he still holds on to the ridiculous theory that naruto only nature is wind in general and his TSB. Riptide240 (talk) 19:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Manga evidence support it, but whatever, go on Naruto fanboys, eat his ***, you are good at it.--Elveonora (talk) 22:21, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Again, in your mind, and yours alone. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 22:48, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I have just one simple question for you Elveonora. How can one have Yin-Yang if one lacks Yin?--Reliops (talk) 01:11, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Read above. He doesn't believe Naruto has any other element other than wind, because apparently, he missed the last fifty chapters of the manga. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I agree it's nonsensical to list YYR bot not Yin. In my opinion both YYR and Yang should be removed--Elveonora (talk) 10:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Changing (Darker?) Edit

Hey guys, this is just a quick question for your own opinion so it's really not that important but what do you think of Naruto's Demeanor in the recent chapters? I mean, when you look at that panel of Naruto staring upwards after he punched black zetsu into the chibaku tensei and in the recent chapter when he looks at Sasuke after his "Revolution declaration" doesn't he seem like he's just a tad bit more darker? What do you guys think? >: ) Rainonme2 (talk) 01:32, September 11, 2014

this isnt the appropriate place to ask this question. try making a seperate discussion thread for it. Munchvtec (talk) 01:36, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I kinda think it is Munchtec because the question itself relates to whether or not someone should edit Naruto's Personality article Rainonme2 (talk) 03:13, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
nah. i dont think it's really needed. Munchvtec (talk) 03:15, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
well the article is already here so you might as well tell us what you think of the question :) Rainonme2 (talk) 03:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
it's really not needed. add it if u want to but it will be reverted by someone other then myself. no offense though. Munchvtec (talk) 03:24, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Foremost, I suggest you to fix your signature--Elveonora (talk) 10:35, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

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