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== Mode ==
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So, which Mode did he use in 700+4? Right now, I see the article mentioning both Six Paths Sage Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode in different sections. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 12:47, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:There's no way of knowing for certain, but the lack of eye pigmentation would indicate it was Six Paths Sage Mode, would it not? Even though the magatama and horns are missing, but those have been a part of all of these modes.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 12:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::I'd say it could be Six Paths Sage Mode (with both halves of Kurama) because of black undergarments, no pigmentation near eye, no glowing skin. The design looks like Tailed beast Sage Mode because he lacks Magatama markings. In the Last he used something like tailed beast mode, so this is something different.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No way to know for sure. But he lacked the horns and the Truth-Seeking Balls so I'm going to assume Nine-Tails ChakraMode.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:Aww come on its clearly six paths sage mode, the pigmentation not present already determines it. The magatama not present is not really important in determining the mode cause actually al the modes has it and the horns are not present cause naruto has cropped his hair now.[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 13:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)[[User:BoltUzumakiXD]] (talk) 9:02, May 21, 2015
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::Would lack of TSB be a reliable indicator though? Naruto got fewer and fewer when fighting Madara and Kaguya, and they didn't regenerate. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:07, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I see there's thick markings on his face, no Sage pigmentation, but that doesn't seem to be his [[Six Paths Sage Mode]]. Look at his shoulders, body and his hands in the chapter and compare it to [[:File:Naruto_TailedBeast_Mode.png|this image]]. Looked more like his Tailed Beast Sage Mode. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 13:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:guys come on the no pigmentation was the six paths sage modes first sign. and by the way when did naruto ever enter his TBSM without sage mode pigmentation. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 13:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::@TheUltimate3, How lack of horns is pro Nine-Tails Chakra Mode argument because Naruto had them in this mode too, i think this lack is due his short hair cut. Magatama thing: yes he lacks RM markings on back but same time he lacks KM markings on neck. Now eyes and skin thing: in Last we seen that when Naruto uses KM+SM he has pigmentation and his skin glowing so this speaks against KM+SM mode. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:56, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
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And there was no magatama nor Rinnegan markings on the back either, so it can't be SPSM. Jesus, Kishi. Gonna go do something real quick. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:There is actually another possibility as well, but it's confusing. According to the databook entry, the mode Naruto entered when he kicked Madara's Truth-Seeking Ball -- which looked just like regular Sage Mode with no pigmentation -- is Six Paths Sage Mode. The chakra cloak that didn't cover his skin is ''not'' Six Paths Sage Mode, it's just something he can do while in Six Paths Sage Mode. We never saw either of his regular chakra cloaks after that point in the manga, so for all we know they were permanently replace by the new chakra cloak, just like the form in The Last replaced them. Based on all of the forms being called "Kurama Link Mode" or some such in Retsu no Sho, it seems like Kishimoto doesn't really distinguish between them the way we do. They're all basically considered the same thing.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 15:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::Okay. In Retsu no Sho, all of Naruto's modes (save SPSM), whether it be Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, Kurama Link Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, or Tailed Beast Sage Mode, are all classified as "Kurama Chakra Mode" in that book. At least we know he used that. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:15, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:@WindStar, with same reasoning i can say: no magatama on neck, so it can't be "Kurama Chakra Mode". let's call it New Chakra Mode then :D. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::I just realized that Naruto body pattern is most similar to Naruto's Kurama-Asura chakra avatar from second VotE fight. ./[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::@Rage gtx: The movie. Naruto had Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode, with no horns. Pulling straight from the new, it's simply the complete Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode that we saw in the film, just now he has a cloak on that also starts to glow.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::@TheUltimate3, you understand that Naruto can't have horns with short hairs and evens so why horns are indicators of anything? He had them since gaining of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And then again when he uses Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode he has eyelid pigmentation and skin glow ./[[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 16:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I always assumed the "horns" were made out of chakra, but if they were hair that may actually be the reason. As for his form in The Last, what was it that made everybody (myself included) assume that form was the incomplete "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" rather than the complete "Kurama Mode"? It has the full black circles, the thick lines on his face, the slitted eyes, and he enters it when manifesting Kurama. The only thing it has in common with the first chakra mode is that its design is simpler, but that cold just be a stylistic choice. I haven't seen the movie yet, so was there anything in it that made people believe that?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 16:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:come on guys tell me youre not seriously pointing out that its his normal kurama mode just because hes missing 'horns' and stuff of course its gonna change and Its clearly his SPSM cause just the eyes indicate it already. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 16:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::We don't just add our own speculative opinion to articles, that is really not how it works. Also, fix your signature, since it includes an unnecessary link and a useless date. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Comparing to the image that Windy just showed it, it clearly looks like '''Kurama Mode''' Although we can't say he has glowing skin because the manga is B/W and the lack of pigmentation around his eyes does indicate it is Six Paths Sage Mode but as BeyondRed said we are differentiating it Kishimoto didn't differentiate like how we do, so it could mean that it is just the effect of power that Hagoromo gave so that's why he doesn't have pigmentation, no glowing skin etc. Horn aren't good indicator for differentiating the modes every mode has this, in SPSM it is small in length, last 3 TSB were lost in VOTE2 so no they are also not indicators.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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::::like i said the mode looks clearly like the SPSM how could it be a kurama chakra mode. When we al know that the only way we can differentiate KCM from SPSM in an uncolored chapter are the eyes and in this case the pigmentations out so obviously its SPSM right. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 17:16, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::It looks like we already came to a compromise, it is reflected in articles and added that it is a mix of several modes. I agree it has Kurama mode designs no denying that (except the magatama and horn portion) but it also has characteristics of SPSM no pigmentation, so it is a mix of SPSM + KM.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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: I still think its just Six Path Sage Mode, the difference from the War is now that Naruto has Kurama's full power behind him, instead of just Yin or Yang. More chakra from that would change the appearance. But it still has the traits of Six Path Sage Mode, no pigmentation around the eyes is a dead give away.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
Naruto and Konohamaru are now chunin they competed in a chunin exams in Sunagakure and even though Konohamaru won Naruto was also promoted to chunin bcuz of his deeds in the past( saving Konoha several times...etc.--[[User:Narutonerd123|Narutonerd123]] ([[User talk:Narutonerd123|talk]]) 23:37, May 1, 2012 (UTC)[http://www.narutoget.com/watch/934-naruto-shippuden-movie-5-blood-prison/] Watch the new episode on the bottom.--[[User:Narutonerd123|Narutonerd123]] ([[User talk:Narutonerd123|talk]]) 23:37, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
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No pigmentation can just mean he isn't using Senjutsu chakra. I mean, can you see his eyes well in the chapter?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Yes, they are crossed, just like in Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode lacks pigmentation around the eyes, Elve.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:48, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I know that, I was asking about the cross. Well if it's there, it's Six Paths Sage Mode without a doubt. Also as was stated, Truth Seeking Balls don't regenerate, he has used them up.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:52, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
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Then that should settle it then, that its the six paths sage mode. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 00:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Nope. Still undecided. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:48, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::ughhhh. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 00:50, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Also, just type in <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to sign your posts. The rest is not necessary. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::May I ask, where do we get the sense that all of his skin does not glow yellow? It's a black and white manga picture, for crying out loud. Again, look at his hands in the recent chapter and compare it to [[:File:Naruto_TailedBeast_Mode.png|this image]]. His hands do indeed glow in the image, no?
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::::Unfortunately, I foresee us debating this for days. I think it's best to say that he accessed a mode with characteristics of his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, and Six Paths Sage Mode, rather than definitively picking which mode it is and ignoring characteristics of other modes. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 01:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::wait what? [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 01:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::: Windstar, its obviously Six Path Sage Mode. Know why it has more characteristics to the other forms? He has more of Kurama's power than he had when he first obtained it. He's also changed his own appearance since then, he lost the 'horns' due to cutting his hair. The eyes show its Six Path Sage Mode. there's literally no debate.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::And the consensus seems to be that it IS Six Path Sage Mode, not the lower forms.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
It's not canon--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:42, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
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But the rest of the body shows Kurama Mode, as I've shown with the image. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:01, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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: Since he has more of Kurama's power than he had before. The full power of Kurama dwarfs the small pieces of the rest of the Tailed Beasts. And as people pointed out before, Six Path Sage Mode is the form that was first used against Madara, the cross eyes.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Okay? And his Tailed Beast Sage Mode also has cross eyes. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::: But that has the crucial ''pigmentation'' around the eyes. Tailed Beast Sage Mode has the Sage Mode pigmentation. Six Path Sage Mode lacks the pigmentation even with the chakra cloak.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::This is just going to go around in circles, I suppose. Hm... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: From the looks of his mode, and appearance, He used Kurama beast mode, cause of the patterns on him, and the way he had the form look. If it was Nine tail Chakra mode, it could have looked like Minatos a bit where he had everything yellow. This is Kurama's mode.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::: Dude, the Kurama Tailed Beast Mode is just a normal or slitted pupil. Six Path Sage Mode has the cross pupil without the Sage Mode pigmentation around the eyes.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Dark Naruto image discussion ==
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::::Let me also point out that Kurama in some Manga translation states that Naruto was finally going to use Kurama's chakra to stretch and cut loose, plus remember, Kishimoto forgets to add details to a lot of things. — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: So can we just agree its Six Path Sage Mode now? The traits of the eyes were the dead give away.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::: Or this is his new Six Path Sage Mode. What 'forgets details', its clearly Six Path Sage Mode. If there was no cross in the eyes, it would be just Kurama mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Kishimoto can forget to add more details, he done it before. But the mode resembles greatly of Kurama Tailed beast mode. From the patterns and all. It looks nothing like Sage Six path mode, as Naruto didn't have the patterns on the back like that form, he could have used the "normal" Form of the six path mode, where he had no pigmentation., but used Kurama tailed beast mode at the same time.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::ughh so do you mean that just cause a form changes you already imply it as KCM how may times should this be repeated, KCM shows the eye markings and SPSM dosent deal with it. [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 02:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Which one is better: the current one or my proposal ? I am simply wanting to see what the community thinks since I found the current one to be quite blurry in the lightbox. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 16:55, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
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:::::KingLinks, your comparison doesn't work. Looks nothing like Six Path Sage Mode? Six Path Sage Mode is just the eyes. Naruto was in Six Path Sage Mode in chapter 672. The trademark is the cross eyes WITHOUT the Sage Pigmentation around the eyes. This chapter showed the eyes having the cross pattern lacking Sage Pigmentation, the trait of Six Path Sage Mode. Thus, Six Path Sage Mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:Actually there's almost no difference except the current is closer. (add) They are almost of the same quality. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 17:01, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::I am saying as stated above before, that he could be using KCM with the SPSM Normal form that only involves the eyes, like when he fought Madara before all Yellow. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
::The proposal one seems alright.--[[User:White Flash|'''''White Flash''''']] [[File:Samurai Symbol.svg|link=|20px]] [[User talk:White Flash|<sup>'''Talk'''</sup>]] 19:36, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
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:::::::And according to the databook, THAT form which he engaged Madara in was Six Path Sage Mode.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
:::The current image looks a bit blurr to me. So I am with the proposed image. —[[w:c:naruto:User:Salil dabholkar|¤<big>S</big>@lil ¤]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(T@lk)]] 15:05, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
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::::::::I am not going against that, I am jsut saying he could be using both at the same time. IS that a problem to agree with? — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
::::Yep, the proposal seems better. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My]] [[w:c:phoenixrising|Wiki]]) 16:15, May 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
=== Revival ===
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Either it's Kurama Mode with Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode, not whatever you're suggesting. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Bringing this discussion up again, which image is better for use ? I still feel the existing one is blurred. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 13:26, August 3, 2012 (UTC)
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:And why can't it be both? It looks like it can. [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::it cant be both cause what the KCM can do can also be done by SPSM but with greater power[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 02:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::This is going to go on and on and on.... {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Windstar, it explicitly can't be Tailed Beast Sage Mode. The pigmentation lacking shows its Six Path Sage Mode utilizing Kurama's power.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:53, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Cool. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Seeing how this will not end, I suppose the only thing to do is to wait for the next time he goes into that form, or Kishimoto tells us what it is. Because I thin kit can be both, due to KCM has more appearance to it than it being SPSM in the chakra cloak.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 02:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Look, do what you want, SuperSaiyaMan. You're much more willing to argue than I am, so go ahead. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 02:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Unknow Jutsu ==
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Um, I never thought I would see this coming, but I completely agree with SuperSaiyanMan now. It's obviously SPSM.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 02:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: so what, we just go with KCM just cause he looks like his previous KCM form and just disregard the fact that he lacks the pigmentation which clearly indicates that its SPSM?! come on [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:02, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Call it SPSM with KCM chakra cloak, cause the cloak looks of it.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
What is the Jutsu that Naruto still hasn't completed yet? I know Jiraiya told him not to do it and when he got the Key to the Seal he was told he could complete it now. {{unsigned|74.233.29.63}}
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Are you guys purposely disregarding what was said? The cloak isn't indicative of SPSM, the eyes are.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 03:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:What I am trying to say, It is SPSM, with KCM chakra cloak.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::*sigh* it cant be like that one cant be joined with the other cause the SPSM is already the greatly enhanced form of KCM it would pe really ridiculous if you think that the two are in the form together[[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::And yet the the chakra cloak looks nothing on how it's suppose to, but seeing I can't make both sides agree, I give up, I'll wait for the next time he jumps into that form.— [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: *sigh* why cant people just accept the obvious evidence of it being SPSM *sigh* [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:14, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Because SPSM not an entrenchment of KCM, it's its own form that Naruto can use and allows him to go to his tailed beast chakra mode because Kurama was his only true tailed beast. SPSM is the Sage's power, not Kurama's, Kurama is with the power due to naruto being with it now. But of course no one will listen because "eye is the answer" When the cloak is no where near what it needs to look like. So I stil suggest it being a SPSM with KCM cloak around it. But of course, with facts pointed on how the SPSM needs to look like, I can't argue much. IT has no truth seeing ball, nor the Rinnegan on the back of the cloak. So What ever, It's completely SPSM, and the cloak as well. SO as I said to make it easier it is SPSM but with KCM Chakra cloak appearance. Because SPSM Chakra cloak looks nothing like it did in the Manga. — [[User:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]] ([[User talk:Kinglink15|Kinglink15]]) 03:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:: then the simpiest explanation is that the mode changes just like how TBSM changed from the war to the last naruto the movie. And about the rinnegan marking on the back, he transformed his cloak which approbabbly altered the markings [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
It's the tailed beast ball? Right?
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The Rinnegan-like pattern on Naruto's back was the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal that Obito applied on Naruto to seal Shukaku and Gyuki's chakras into him. Naruto replaced the seal with a different one by the time of The Last, hence why there's no Rinnegan like pattern on his back anymore, use head people.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 03:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/166.147.89.155|166.147.89.155]] ([[User talk:166.147.89.155|talk]]) 02:37, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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: wait wait. Since when did naruto changed the seal onhis back or rather how did u know he replaced it? [[User:BoltUzumakiXD|BoltUzumakiXD]] ([[User talk:BoltUzumakiXD|talk]]) 03:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Observation and filling the gaps.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 04:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Isn't it just Kurama Mode with Senjutsu influence? Just look at his arms. In Kurama Mode, his arms have markings, in Six Paths Sage Mode - they don't. In 704, the arms had markings. Also, in SPSM, Naruto's outfit, with the exception of the cloak, becomes black, in Kurama's Mode - only his top part becomes black, with the lines going through the lower part. Based on these descriptions, I looks to be more like Kurama-enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Even the seal is different. In Kurama Chakra Mode it's a circle within a circle, same in 704, while in Six Paths Sage Mode it's a plain circle xD--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 06:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::While I do believe Elve pulled that straight out his ass (Ten-Tailed Coffin Seal sealing pieces of the One and Eight-Tails. Okay then.) the lack of the Six Paths Senjutsu mark is interesting, but at the same time he does lack the pigmentation of the eyes that denotes normal Sage Mode. Of course then there's the added fact that Kurama specifically stated "Hey glad you're actually using me again." and we know Naruto using Kurama's chakra = Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
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::::So instead of letting this pissing match continue further, I say we end this debate because until we see Naruto in that form and in color we're never going to know exactly which form he's in and just stick it under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like we did every form he's got that seems derived from it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:46, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Or we just name it as combined form of Kurama Mode+Six Paths Sage Mode which is his powerful new mode, KM (design-see circle and legs), SPSM (no pigmentation around eyes) I see people arguing that there can't be both, of course it can it is powerful form than just normal Kurama mode or lone SPSM, @TU3 I don't see any resemblance to Nine-Tails Chakra Mode The lines are thick he got three thick whiskers and you do know Kurama mode is upgrade for NTCM, when Kurama is inside him he can give large amount of chakra for Kurama mode because now there is no seal and it was removed by Naruto.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 10:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::2 Things.
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::::::1) He's ''glowing''. That's about the bare minimum of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. As I said, we won't know exactly what that form is until we see it in color, but at the very least we have an article that can serve as a "base", where all his forms are located anyway.
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::::::2) There is a seal, that's why the Nine-Tails is still in Naruto. The fact that the Nine-Tails is nolonger "locked in a cage" is the new circular opening on his stomach, which opened up the first time we saw him in Tailed Beast Mode (ignore the image in the infobox, that is an anime mistake. The one further down from the game is more accurate.)--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::Okay then. Agreed, it should be under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode article.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 11:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::Still ignoring that Six Paths Sage Mode is the crossed eyes without pigment disregarding cloak. The cloak is dependent on the seal used.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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? {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:49, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:To me, the fact Naruto's pupil are in a cross shape with no pigmentation around the eyes is proof enough he's using Six Paths Sage Mode. I agree it's weird that there are no Rinnegan and magatama on his back, but unless you want to say that Naruto can now enter Sage Mode with no pigmentation (which doesn't sound possible, according to <span title="the colour around the eyes is proof of a true Sage">Fukasaku</span>), well…--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]20:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::Naruto was in Sage Mode the chapter before and you could clearly see the pigmentation. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 20:22, May 22, 2015(UTC)
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Did you guys ever consider that the Sage only gave Naruto Six Paths chakra. Naruto mixed that with sage mode to make Six Paths Sage Mode. That's not the chakra cloak, that's what Naruto had right before he equipped the cloak The reason the chakra cloak looks different against Madara is because he had the other tailed beasts chakra or because he only had Yin-Kurama, which altered the appearance. So since he only has full Kurama, it's just Kurama mode with Six paths sage mode activated, hence the lack of sage markings.[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 21:21, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Bump[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 00:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
:It's not the Tailed Beast Ball as Killer Bee tried to teach him that. We currently don't know what it is as it's not named on [[That Technique| this page]]. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 03:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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What don't people get? SPSM ISN'T the cloak, it's crossed eyes without pigment. According to databook Naruto was using that form while he kicked Madara's TSB and that was without any cloak, point is, don't look at the cloak to determine if it is or isn't SPSM since it has no relevance because it is SPSM even without any cloak.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:56, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Exactly, and during his fight with Sasuke, Sasuke said that he was running out of the TB chakras. So now that it's been years after, he's most likely using SPSM, but his cloak is Kurama Mode since he only has full Kurama now.[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 13:06, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No one seems to care the articles have it wrong and what the databooks say, but oh well.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I changed it on Naruto's page but....whatever[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 15:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::@Riptide240 and you changed wrong. In chapter 692 Sage stated about TB chakra being in Naruto, so with it, your edits are no good. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 15:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Nope, look a few chapters after, Sasuke said they were beginning to fade away or that he was running out. Obviously, that was after the Sage said that so....[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 15:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::This was not about it, Sasuke compared his 8TB + half Kurama to Naruto's portions and half Kurama saing he has more and mentoned Naruto running low on chakra(not TB's overall) wich he had, you just making things up. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 17:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::No, you're ignorant. In chapter 696, Sasuke specifically says that he's running low on the chakra he recieved from the bijuus [[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 18:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::So it's me ignorant lol, and not you who by simple running low on the chakra accusation(he can for exapmle run low on Kurama chakra so why he never lost - answer is simple chakra regenerates) decided that Naruto lost all TB chakra? Or even more funny wikia got rid of all TB mentions in SPSM page since we don't have any evidence of that. So you to know, you are speculating on Naruto's TB by saing he has lost it(we don't know), by your edit you create a contradiction(by saing that TB chakra affect Naruto's SPSM). And i am the one who is ignorant, seriously? ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 18:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::::::Yes, because what happens to something that runs low?, it runs out!!!! How hard is that to understand. Not to mention that in 700+4, Kurama says your finally using '''ME''' after all this time??? How much simpler does it have to get? Not to mention that we only see Kurama in there.....noone else. Suspicious much?[[User:Riptide240|Riptide240]] ([[User talk:Riptide240|talk]]) 19:07, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:Okay, this has gone on long enough now. Find something more interesting to discuss, instead of going around in circles with no end in sight. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::::::In the databook there is no mention of the tailed beast on the SPSM page so they have no effect on his altered appearance. You're speculating saying that the other tailed beast chakra ran out, Kurama's chakra completely ran out during the fight and he's still around.--([[User:Kuroiraikou|Kuroiraikou]] ([[User talk:Kuroiraikou|talk]]) 21:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC))
   
Pretty sure Jiraiya told him 'not to use that power', i.e Kurama's chakra. About all we know about this unknown technique is that Minato created it, laying the foundation on which Jiraiya and Naruto would further develop it, and that to use it Naruto had to first gain control of Kurama's chakra. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 04:18, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
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just had a light bulb...I THINK...that this mode is six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...not all the tailed beast which he used during the 4th war [maybe the small changes are due to kurama's both halves merged after the war]...but then again it defies the six paths sage mode's definition...which is all the tailed beasts chakra + senjutsu...I dunno...I'm confused too...this mode unfortunately has more indications of the sage tailed beast mode than six paths sage mode...although I have to say I can see a circle at naruto's back...but it doesn't strike me as a rinnegan pattern...maybe it's hiding under that big chakra cloak...but the mode that naruto used when he saved guy from madara's truth fucking ball was also six paths sage mode...I think we need to make a distinction between six paths sage mode with & without TB chakra in the article...and also between six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...any thoughts?.. --'''[[User:DARK ZER06 |DARK ZERO]]'''--''[[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]'' 08:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
 
== Naruto and the war ==
 
 
I've been watching the anime and in it Naruto is aware of the war. But is he aware of this fact in the manga?--{{unsigned|108.132.105.48}}
 
:He knows there's going to be a war if I remember correctly. He didn't know that it had started already though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:25, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== wind nature missed up ==
 
 
like it says where naruto's wind nature is its all weird and i dont know how to fix it can someone help??[[Special:Contributions/67.54.176.39|67.54.176.39]] ([[User talk:67.54.176.39|talk]]) 18:05, July 4, 2012 (UTC)NaruFan
 
:Probably a code problem brought on by the recent update Wikia is performing on the software. They usually synch their version with the most current version of the software from time to time. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:21, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
It will fix itself, I see it as well--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:31, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Japanese Alphabets -- Names ==
 
 
Under Naruto's "profile picture" is a list of his name and nicknames, and after each name is the Japanese-alphabetical name in parentheses. Just curious, why is "Uzumaki" written in Hiragana while "Naruto" is written in Katakana? --[[User:Kinggraham11|Kinggraham11]] ([[User talk:Kinggraham11|talk]]) 22:03, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Jinchuuriki Vs. Heritage==
 
 
Given [[Kabuto Yakushi|Kabuto]]'s recent statement that members of the [[Uzumaki clan]] have high vitality, longevity, and strong regenerative capabilities, is it possible that Naruto's accelerated healing is his own natural ability, rather that a result of being [[Kurama]]'s [[Jinchuuriki]]? If memory serves [[Kakashi Hatake|Kakashi]] was the only one to say that it was the nine-tails, and it may have just been a theory. {{unsigned|Arch angel gabriele}}
 
:Both add up to it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:01, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yes, many brought this up before. I believe such as well. Kakashi doesn't have much knowledge about Nine-Tails, and Naruto regenerated even with Kurama's chakra completely suppressed ... Kurama's chakra might have amplified the healing factor, but I don't think it makes sense for it being purely from him.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:04, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sage mode update ==
 
 
Hello, since I don't have option to edit Naruto article could some one add to Senjutsu that he can by touching someones chakra he can sense horrible secrets that users are hiding or better read the truths from the user. Latest Anime episode introduced this ability while Shibi had shadow jutsu holding him, Naruto then sensed the war memories from Shibi and suddenly did know what they are hiding from him.[[Special:Contributions/86.50.115.56|86.50.115.56]] ([[User talk:86.50.115.56|talk]]) 14:24, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
Thanks Jeroi
 
:Naruto didn't sense a "secret" he used the Sage Mode's ability to "sense" and saw what was happening on the battlefield. The same way he was wondering where Kakashi was when he returned to Konoha. This time we just got to see what he senses when in Sage Mode. The Nara's jutsu had nothing to do with it. Also, Shibi is an Aburame, he doesn't manipulate shadows.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Sensory abilities, the same as when he tracked Nagato with the usage of that rod--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:10, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Wait, when we are at it, how isn't Naruto listed as a sensor ? O_O--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:12, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
: [[Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 5#Naruto a sensor type?]]
 
: [[Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 8#Classification]]
 
: [[Talk:Jiraiya/Archive 3#sensor type ]]
 
: Mr. Anonymous --15:27, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I know this issue has been raised twice on naruto's talk page and once on Jiraiya's so i dont want to start another section, but...Naruto sensing whilst sage mode is activated is just as "conditional" as a Hyuuga sensing while the Byakugan is activated. I know adding him as a sensor has been shot down by alot of the higer ups on this wiki but regardless is regardless, he can sense. --[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 15:53, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:If that were to hold true then every shinobi should be considered a sensor because most if not all have shown some level of sensory ability. Thus the classification has to have some sort of parameter. Yes he senses but it's a by-product of being in Sage-Mode and using natural energy or else perceiving someone's negative emotions.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:00, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Well if it were to hold true then we would classify no "true" sensor as an actual sensor because all shinobi show the inate ability. The parameter, i assume, would be a certain degree of sensing ability and Naruto definetly shows that. Like I mentioned above, the Hyuuga's sensing abilty is a by-product of activating the Byakugan just like Naruto's is a by-product of activating sage mode. --[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 16:06, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I believe you are mistaken. I don't think I would ever classify a Hyūga as a sensor in the sense that this series uses it because what they use is sight; that is not sensing, it is plain and simply seeing. Even Karin's explanation of Inuzuka's being sensors in the anime is ridiculous to me. Sensors have the ability to naturally sense chakra around themselves using the assumed Chakra Sensing Technique or in Karin's case- the Mind's Eye of the Kagura, unlike Naruto who has to enter either modes to exhibit sensory abilities. Are we supposed to list him then as "Sensor~sometimes"? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:12, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
By that logic alone, Karin isn't a sensor because she has to use her power/technique to detect, and with her chakra turned off she can't. Naruto has sensory abilities in both Sage and Kurama/Rikudou modes, and even these powers were the reason for the Alliance could fight the Zetsu Clone Army--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:15, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Karin's explanation is not one for you to argue, it is a fact stated by the author. Ao is listed as a sensor and the fact is he can only sense due to his use of the Byakugan. I wont argue anything, I only look for some consistency in listing one person as something but not another even when their situations are the same. --[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 16:20, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I'm afraid both of you are mistaken again. Who do you know that can use any ability that requires chakra with their chakra turned off? All shinobi abilities require the use of chakra so I don't understand what you're trying to say Elveonora. As for the Ao bit, Ao was listed as a sensor because of chapter 464, page 12 or there about, 473 page 12, and the fact that he was made Sensor Division captain where he has yet to use the eye. Inconsistency would only arise from listing every person with a sensory method as a sensor.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:33, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't see this discussion going very far without asking one question. What abilities would warrant in classifying a shinboi as a sensor?--[[User:Kiriako|Kiriako]] ([[User talk:Kiriako|talk]]) 16:47, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Why does it matter that he has to use "modes" ??? sensory ability = sensor.
 
Kyubi's chakra/Sage Mode = a power. A sensory technique = a power.
 
There's no difference, the "temporary" arguments holds no value as no ninja can sense 24/7/4/12/365--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:52, August 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The use of natural sensory abilities, right now we have the broad unbrella'd [[Chakra Sensing Technique]] and Karin's unique ability. As I've said before- and I don't know whether or not this is for everyone- but some sort of parameter has to be set to classify someone as a sensor. Going outside that would mean classifying Gaara as a sensor despite the fact that if he has no sand, he's as much a sensor as I am.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:39, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I wouldn't say Gaara is a sensor lol. But Naruto's "sensory' abilities were a key against Pain and Zetsu, not to mention stated to surpass most sensors.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:49, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Slimming down the abilities section ==
 
 
As i'm skimming through some of the talk pages, i bumped into Sasuke's where one of the editors complained over the excess of somewhat useless references and somewhat boasts of Sasuke...that's fair and all, it was a bit too much on some aspects...now we view the same problem with Naruto...fine he's the main character and all, but some of his ability sections are too much...more specifically his intelligence part...since when does a character has so much that we have to split it into two sub-sections...not even characters such as Orochimaru, Kabuto and Tobi, who are master manipulators, tacticians and scientists, don't have this much clutter on their sections, neither should Naruto, who despite being not being the idiot of the start of the series by far and being a skilled planner in his own right, intelligence is not his top point. Any opinions? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 23:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I'm OK with the changes.
 
Edit: even though Naruto isn't the wisest, he isn't the dumbest anymore. The section is likely to portray his growth in intelligence over time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:50, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
:And i pointed that out...but against other characters who grossely outsmart him, it isn't valid. Now any idea on '''how''' to slim it? [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 00:02, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Something akin to "Naruto is dumb to learn and remember things, with actions driven by emotions from his hearth being above any deep thought and logic, except in battles when he has shown to have some level of tactical and analytical capability.
 
 
Dunno O_O--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:16, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The thing with Naruto is that for him, being the protagonist, we have a much greater pool of information to list. I think the reason he has two sections is so that his progress in both can be properly shown without it constantly shifting the aspect of intelligence being explained. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:11, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:And i understand that, but even so it's too much...but if you have another idea, i'm all ears...[[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:17, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I agree with Omnni, it's hard if not impossible to slim down some people's abilities sections. For Sasuke when I took stuff out that was either entirely wrong or irrelevant. Otherwise from that, his abilities section remained the same. Sometimes, it can't be helped other than trying not to account for every small detail and limiting examples of the said ability.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:00, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Versions 1 and 2 ==
 
 
So...... Should we just give up the idea of naruto in control of version 2 or 1? Huhhhhhhhhh......... I hate the yellow form too, even the 2nd one. Version 2 and 1 was so much sexier. Should we give up on it? Please don't delete.--[[Special:Contributions/24.166.174.117|24.166.174.117]] ([[User talk:24.166.174.117|talk]]) 19:40, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
This isn't a forum--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Appearance Section Image? ==
 
 
Where is the full body shot image of Naruto that USED to be in the "Appearance" section? [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 05:39, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It's somewhere on the wiki. But apparently it was changed for an image of Naruto's various ''forms'' which I don't understand...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:48, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Can we please switch it back? The whole point of the appearance section is his appearance...[[Special:Contributions/93.186.16.243|93.186.16.243]] ([[User talk:93.186.16.243|talk]]) 13:04, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I agree with this sentiment. Only three frames actually show Naruto's "growth" appearance-wise and there's already an image of him as a child in his article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:27, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I changed it back to the Part 1 and Part 2 image.[[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 15:03, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Stats ==
 
 
If you look at Naruto where he is at in the Manga the databook on the wiki does not represent him at all 26 in total what? {{unsigned|65.48.143.145}}
 
:Kishimoto makes those stats, they're only published when there's a databook. Last databook covers only up to Sasuke's fight with Itachi, before learning the truth about the massacre. People ought to know that by now. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:48, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
Ok sorry for making you annoyed I didn't know.{{unsigned|65.48.143.145}}
 
 
== Shadow clone strength ==
 
 
Is it ok if we made it say that his shadow clones had grown stronger as well, as shown in the fourth great shinobi world war, please? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:01, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
:That doesn't make much sense to me to note that. It is a '''clone''' after all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:10, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sage Mode Time Limit ==
 
 
During what fight was it shown that Naruto can stay in Sage Mode for ten minutes? I thought the time limit was originally five minutes.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 16:47, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:The article mentions something in the war, so it's probably out there somewhere. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:56, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
But during what part of the war? Naruto has used it at least four times during the war. Against the Third Raikage, against Madara when he threw the Rasenshuriken, when he needed to free the Four-Tails from Tobi's control, and lastly when he had a shadow clone use it while the real Naruto was in Bijuu Mode. So which part was it?--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 17:26, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I dunno. That whole paragraph seems a bit oddly-put or incorrect to me. When was Naruto ever said to have mastered senjutsu? Yes he's mastered Sage Mode but senjutsu on a whole looks like it would take a greater deal of time. As for the Sage Mode limit. I can honestly never remember Naruto saying anything about how long he could stay in the mode but only the amount of techniques he could use while in Sage Mode before the chakra was used up.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
So then why was it posted on the article in the first place? I mean I know Naruto has mastered Sage Mode to the point he can enter it a lot quicker but to maintain it for ten minutes seems a bit misleading.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 17:38, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:It was added because someone might have believed the info to be true. Not that I'm saying it isn't, we could very well be mistaken.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:44, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
So then it should be removed from the article right? If it's not accurate information and it doesn't have any chapters to support that information, then it shouldn't be there at all.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 17:51, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It should probably be looked up before. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
I just wanted to know which part of the war Naruto demonstrated that he could stay in Sage Mode for ten minutes. But if the information is inaccurate, then it should be removed from the article as soon as possible. But if the information is in fact true then what chapter did he demonstrate this?--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 18:23, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Can we say Sage Mode even has a time limit, it is more like when Naruto uses up the Sage Chakra that he loses Sage Mode. [[User:NarutoRevival|NarutoRevival]] ([[User talk:NarutoRevival|talk]]) 18:40, October 21, 2012 (UTC)NarutoRevival
 
 
It's been stated by Fukasaku that you can only maintain Sage Mode for five minutes. He confirmed this in chapter 420 of the manga and episode 157 of the anime. I'm just pointing out that someone posted on the article claiming that Naruto can maintain it for ten minutes during the war, I just want to know if this information placed on the article is true otherwise it needs to be removed if it's false.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:04, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I think someone confuse Tailed Beast Mode with Sage Mode--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:10, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Whatever the case maybe if this information about Sage Mode is not true it needs to be removed from the article right away.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:21, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Naruto was stated to could use the Tailed Beast Mode only for 5 minutes, I don't remember any mention of Sage Mode having a a specific timer, someone might have mixed up these two or something--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:23, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Kurama said that it would only last for five minutes because it was their first transformation but that's off topic. Fukasaku did in fact tell Naruto that Sage Mode would only last for five minutes. He said this in chapter 420 of the manga and episode 157 of the anime. But apparently someone posted on the article claiming that Naruto can maintain Sage Mode for ten minutes during the war, I just want to know if this is true, otherwise the post should be removed from the article right now if it's false.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:35, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So can we please just edit the page already?--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 19:56, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
As long as the proper references are added, sure. It also needs to be mentioned that Naruto has worked to increase the amount of time he can stay in Sage Mode, he was shown practising that when he went after Sasuke after Pain's invasion. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:17, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I already know that he was practicing to maintain Sage Mode longer during the Five Kage Summit Arc. But if it is true that Naruto has shown that he can stay in Sage Mode for about ten minutes during the war I just want to know which chapter he first demonstrated this ability. --[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 20:29, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Weird, in the translation of the chapter I'm reading, I don't see any mention of 5 minutes, but I take your word for that I guess...
 
EDIT: I myself do not recall him using Sage Mode for an extended amount of time during the war--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:44, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So you agree with me? Even though he has used Sage Mode at least four times during the war, has it been shown that he could maintain it for ten minutes during those four times? Also check other manga translations of chapter 420 or you can just watch episode 157 of the anime.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 20:54, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah. And found one that mentions 5 min. I think it's just an assumption based on the fact that Naruto trained in order to maintain it longer, so someone has estimated it to be 10 minutes now.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:03, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
But is this assumption proven to be fact in the manga? Just look back at the following chapters:555,560,561,569,570,571,and 572. Up until now those were the only times he has used Sage Mode during the war. Now during those moments Naruto has only resorted to Sage Mode for those very brief tasks and during those moments even though he has demonstrated that he could enter Sage Mode a lot faster was he also demonstrating that he could maintain it for ten minutes or so? In my opinion I don't think so. So what do you guys think? If Naruto did demonstrate that he could maintain Sage Mode in those following chapters I would like some good explanations please.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 22:06, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So it's confirmed, he hasn't demonstrated maintaining Sage Mode for ten minutes during the war. Thanks for correcting that statement. But if it's possible could you also post that he can only stay in Sage Mode for five minutes? Like how it's stated in the article that he's shown that he could stay in Nine Tails Chakra Mode for most of the morning of the war. I think that's something worth mentioning.--[[Special:Contributions/98.109.95.216|98.109.95.216]] ([[User talk:98.109.95.216|talk]]) 23:02, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Why deleted ==
 
 
Why was the section here deleted ? Was it inaccurate information ? --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 10:45, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Quality of Page==
 
I think that the images on [[Naruto]]'s page should include more epic headings under them. I mean, for Naruto vs [[Tobi]], I think it should be just that, Naruto vs Tobi! I just don't feel like all of them really explain well enough what's happening in the picture. Also, this page in a couple of ways is majorly undone/incomplete. It is supposed to summarize Naruto's missions and experiences, but that doesn't mean even minor info should be included. E.g., Naruto's fight against Sasuke on the hospital rooftop should be included with a picture of it as well as Naruto's briefly shown date with Sakura at [[Ichiraku]], may or may not need a picture. More images of events(canon) should be included instead of like a single picture for each flippin arc, ya know!
 
:This wikia doesn't really do "epic headings" wherever the image is, the content should speak for it. As for the rest of what you're asking is impossible to do unless you want the page to load some time next year. The wikia is not a substitute for you watching or reading the actual series.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:56, November 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== something strange ==
 
 
When kurama gave chakra to kakashi and Gai their injuries were not healed and kurama's chakra has the ability to heal injuries whenever it was lend to the given person, i am thinking that naruto's healing ability comes from his ownself and not from kurama. --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 09:56, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Guy didn't sustain any physical damage except he was bleeding a fair bit which has stopped and Kakashi does still have the x in his flak jacket but doesn't seem to be bleeding...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:27, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Naruto Acadamy ==
 
 
Ok I have a question: Correct me if I am wrong but it did state that Naruto fail the graduation exam two times. I asked my friend and he said that he must have taken it early...Why didn't Sasuke take it early? We all know he would have. And Naruto is younger than most of his classmates. How did he fail twice but is still younger than his graduating class?
 
--[[User:Mtn Dew Stud|Click this black link to go to my Talk page]] ([[User talk:Mtn Dew Stud|talk]]) 03:44, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
:These aren't the types of questions that should be asked here, it isn't a forum. These aren't even the things people should be over-thinking so much. If you like, we have an [[w:c:naruto.answers|answers wikia]] you can pose the question to.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:46, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Cloak of Invisibility Technique ==
 
 
Is there a reason it is not on either Naruto or Konohamaru's skill lists? Naruto clearly uses it to give his pursuers the slip in episode 1. {{unsigned|46.40.85.203}}
 
 
Unless the person is a particularly notable user of the technique eg. Shisui of the Body Flicker, 1000 transformations Kazan, we don't list users of general use ninja skills. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 20:15, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Usuratonkachi ==
 
 
Can 'Usuratonkachi' be included in the infobox? Just wondering. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 00:57, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Whut's thaaat?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:50, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
He is just trolling... it's what Sasuke used to call Naruto, a useless clumsy idiot/dumbass. I don't think we should list that as his title/nickname lol--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:36, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:But Sakura and Ino had nicknames like Dekorin (forehead girl) and Ino-buta (Ino-pig) respectively. So why not Naruto? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 22:53, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Trying to come up with a good anti-argument... O_O someone help me, I had no idea till now that Sakura and Ino have those things in their infobox--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:59, December 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If that was used more than once, and exclusively to Naruto (unlike, let's say, "scaredy cat", which both Sasuke and Naruto called each other at some point), and if it's properly referenced, fine by me. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:13, December 7, 2012 (UTC)
 

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So, which Mode did he use in 700+4? Right now, I see the article mentioning both Six Paths Sage Mode and Nine-Tails Chakra Mode in different sections. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:47, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

There's no way of knowing for certain, but the lack of eye pigmentation would indicate it was Six Paths Sage Mode, would it not? Even though the magatama and horns are missing, but those have been a part of all of these modes.--BeyondRed (talk) 12:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I'd say it could be Six Paths Sage Mode (with both halves of Kurama) because of black undergarments, no pigmentation near eye, no glowing skin. The design looks like Tailed beast Sage Mode because he lacks Magatama markings. In the Last he used something like tailed beast mode, so this is something different.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 12:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
No way to know for sure. But he lacked the horns and the Truth-Seeking Balls so I'm going to assume Nine-Tails ChakraMode.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 12:55, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Aww come on its clearly six paths sage mode, the pigmentation not present already determines it. The magatama not present is not really important in determining the mode cause actually al the modes has it and the horns are not present cause naruto has cropped his hair now.BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 13:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)User:BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 9:02, May 21, 2015
Would lack of TSB be a reliable indicator though? Naruto got fewer and fewer when fighting Madara and Kaguya, and they didn't regenerate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:07, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I see there's thick markings on his face, no Sage pigmentation, but that doesn't seem to be his Six Paths Sage Mode. Look at his shoulders, body and his hands in the chapter and compare it to this image. Looked more like his Tailed Beast Sage Mode. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 13:32, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
guys come on the no pigmentation was the six paths sage modes first sign. and by the way when did naruto ever enter his TBSM without sage mode pigmentation. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 13:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, How lack of horns is pro Nine-Tails Chakra Mode argument because Naruto had them in this mode too, i think this lack is due his short hair cut. Magatama thing: yes he lacks RM markings on back but same time he lacks KM markings on neck. Now eyes and skin thing: in Last we seen that when Naruto uses KM+SM he has pigmentation and his skin glowing so this speaks against KM+SM mode. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:56, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

And there was no magatama nor Rinnegan markings on the back either, so it can't be SPSM. Jesus, Kishi. Gonna go do something real quick. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:00, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

There is actually another possibility as well, but it's confusing. According to the databook entry, the mode Naruto entered when he kicked Madara's Truth-Seeking Ball -- which looked just like regular Sage Mode with no pigmentation -- is Six Paths Sage Mode. The chakra cloak that didn't cover his skin is not Six Paths Sage Mode, it's just something he can do while in Six Paths Sage Mode. We never saw either of his regular chakra cloaks after that point in the manga, so for all we know they were permanently replace by the new chakra cloak, just like the form in The Last replaced them. Based on all of the forms being called "Kurama Link Mode" or some such in Retsu no Sho, it seems like Kishimoto doesn't really distinguish between them the way we do. They're all basically considered the same thing.--BeyondRed (talk) 15:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Okay. In Retsu no Sho, all of Naruto's modes (save SPSM), whether it be Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, Kurama Link Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, Tailed Beast Chakra Mode, or Tailed Beast Sage Mode, are all classified as "Kurama Chakra Mode" in that book. At least we know he used that. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:15, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@WindStar, with same reasoning i can say: no magatama on neck, so it can't be "Kurama Chakra Mode". let's call it New Chakra Mode then :D. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:24, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I just realized that Naruto body pattern is most similar to Naruto's Kurama-Asura chakra avatar from second VotE fight. ./Rage gtx (talk) 16:06, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@Rage gtx: The movie. Naruto had Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode, with no horns. Pulling straight from the new, it's simply the complete Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode that we saw in the film, just now he has a cloak on that also starts to glow.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 16:09, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
@TheUltimate3, you understand that Naruto can't have horns with short hairs and evens so why horns are indicators of anything? He had them since gaining of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. And then again when he uses Sage Nine-Tailed Chakra Mode he has eyelid pigmentation and skin glow ./Rage gtx (talk) 16:14, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I always assumed the "horns" were made out of chakra, but if they were hair that may actually be the reason. As for his form in The Last, what was it that made everybody (myself included) assume that form was the incomplete "Nine-Tails Chakra Mode" rather than the complete "Kurama Mode"? It has the full black circles, the thick lines on his face, the slitted eyes, and he enters it when manifesting Kurama. The only thing it has in common with the first chakra mode is that its design is simpler, but that cold just be a stylistic choice. I haven't seen the movie yet, so was there anything in it that made people believe that?--BeyondRed (talk) 16:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
come on guys tell me youre not seriously pointing out that its his normal kurama mode just because hes missing 'horns' and stuff of course its gonna change and Its clearly his SPSM cause just the eyes indicate it already. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 16:50, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
We don't just add our own speculative opinion to articles, that is really not how it works. Also, fix your signature, since it includes an unnecessary link and a useless date. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:53, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
Comparing to the image that Windy just showed it, it clearly looks like Kurama Mode Although we can't say he has glowing skin because the manga is B/W and the lack of pigmentation around his eyes does indicate it is Six Paths Sage Mode but as BeyondRed said we are differentiating it Kishimoto didn't differentiate like how we do, so it could mean that it is just the effect of power that Hagoromo gave so that's why he doesn't have pigmentation, no glowing skin etc. Horn aren't good indicator for differentiating the modes every mode has this, in SPSM it is small in length, last 3 TSB were lost in VOTE2 so no they are also not indicators.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:05, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
like i said the mode looks clearly like the SPSM how could it be a kurama chakra mode. When we al know that the only way we can differentiate KCM from SPSM in an uncolored chapter are the eyes and in this case the pigmentations out so obviously its SPSM right. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 17:16, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
It looks like we already came to a compromise, it is reflected in articles and added that it is a mix of several modes. I agree it has Kurama mode designs no denying that (except the magatama and horn portion) but it also has characteristics of SPSM no pigmentation, so it is a mix of SPSM + KM.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:34, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I still think its just Six Path Sage Mode, the difference from the War is now that Naruto has Kurama's full power behind him, instead of just Yin or Yang. More chakra from that would change the appearance. But it still has the traits of Six Path Sage Mode, no pigmentation around the eyes is a dead give away.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:21, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

No pigmentation can just mean he isn't using Senjutsu chakra. I mean, can you see his eyes well in the chapter?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, they are crossed, just like in Six Path Sage Mode. Six Path Sage Mode lacks pigmentation around the eyes, Elve.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:48, May 21, 2015 (UTC)
I know that, I was asking about the cross. Well if it's there, it's Six Paths Sage Mode without a doubt. Also as was stated, Truth Seeking Balls don't regenerate, he has used them up.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:52, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Then that should settle it then, that its the six paths sage mode. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 00:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Nope. Still undecided. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:48, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
ughhhh. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 00:50, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Also, just type in ~~~~ to sign your posts. The rest is not necessary. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
May I ask, where do we get the sense that all of his skin does not glow yellow? It's a black and white manga picture, for crying out loud. Again, look at his hands in the recent chapter and compare it to this image. His hands do indeed glow in the image, no?
Unfortunately, I foresee us debating this for days. I think it's best to say that he accessed a mode with characteristics of his Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, Kurama Mode, and Six Paths Sage Mode, rather than definitively picking which mode it is and ignoring characteristics of other modes. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 01:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
wait what? BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 01:13, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Windstar, its obviously Six Path Sage Mode. Know why it has more characteristics to the other forms? He has more of Kurama's power than he had when he first obtained it. He's also changed his own appearance since then, he lost the 'horns' due to cutting his hair. The eyes show its Six Path Sage Mode. there's literally no debate.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And the consensus seems to be that it IS Six Path Sage Mode, not the lower forms.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 01:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

But the rest of the body shows Kurama Mode, as I've shown with the image. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:01, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Since he has more of Kurama's power than he had before. The full power of Kurama dwarfs the small pieces of the rest of the Tailed Beasts. And as people pointed out before, Six Path Sage Mode is the form that was first used against Madara, the cross eyes.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Okay? And his Tailed Beast Sage Mode also has cross eyes. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
But that has the crucial pigmentation around the eyes. Tailed Beast Sage Mode has the Sage Mode pigmentation. Six Path Sage Mode lacks the pigmentation even with the chakra cloak.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
This is just going to go around in circles, I suppose. Hm... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:09, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
From the looks of his mode, and appearance, He used Kurama beast mode, cause of the patterns on him, and the way he had the form look. If it was Nine tail Chakra mode, it could have looked like Minatos a bit where he had everything yellow. This is Kurama's mode.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Dude, the Kurama Tailed Beast Mode is just a normal or slitted pupil. Six Path Sage Mode has the cross pupil without the Sage Mode pigmentation around the eyes.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Let me also point out that Kurama in some Manga translation states that Naruto was finally going to use Kurama's chakra to stretch and cut loose, plus remember, Kishimoto forgets to add details to a lot of things. — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
So can we just agree its Six Path Sage Mode now? The traits of the eyes were the dead give away.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:17, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Or this is his new Six Path Sage Mode. What 'forgets details', its clearly Six Path Sage Mode. If there was no cross in the eyes, it would be just Kurama mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Kishimoto can forget to add more details, he done it before. But the mode resembles greatly of Kurama Tailed beast mode. From the patterns and all. It looks nothing like Sage Six path mode, as Naruto didn't have the patterns on the back like that form, he could have used the "normal" Form of the six path mode, where he had no pigmentation., but used Kurama tailed beast mode at the same time.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:25, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
ughh so do you mean that just cause a form changes you already imply it as KCM how may times should this be repeated, KCM shows the eye markings and SPSM dosent deal with it. BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 02:31, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
KingLinks, your comparison doesn't work. Looks nothing like Six Path Sage Mode? Six Path Sage Mode is just the eyes. Naruto was in Six Path Sage Mode in chapter 672. The trademark is the cross eyes WITHOUT the Sage Pigmentation around the eyes. This chapter showed the eyes having the cross pattern lacking Sage Pigmentation, the trait of Six Path Sage Mode. Thus, Six Path Sage Mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:32, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am saying as stated above before, that he could be using KCM with the SPSM Normal form that only involves the eyes, like when he fought Madara before all Yellow.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:36, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And according to the databook, THAT form which he engaged Madara in was Six Path Sage Mode.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:40, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
I am not going against that, I am jsut saying he could be using both at the same time. IS that a problem to agree with? — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:42, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Either it's Kurama Mode with Sage Mode or Six Paths Sage Mode, not whatever you're suggesting. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:43, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

And why can't it be both? It looks like it can.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
it cant be both cause what the KCM can do can also be done by SPSM but with greater powerBoltUzumakiXD (talk) 02:51, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
This is going to go on and on and on.... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:52, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Windstar, it explicitly can't be Tailed Beast Sage Mode. The pigmentation lacking shows its Six Path Sage Mode utilizing Kurama's power.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:53, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Cool. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how this will not end, I suppose the only thing to do is to wait for the next time he goes into that form, or Kishimoto tells us what it is. Because I thin kit can be both, due to KCM has more appearance to it than it being SPSM in the chakra cloak.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 02:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Look, do what you want, SuperSaiyaMan. You're much more willing to argue than I am, so go ahead. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:56, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Um, I never thought I would see this coming, but I completely agree with SuperSaiyanMan now. It's obviously SPSM.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 02:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

so what, we just go with KCM just cause he looks like his previous KCM form and just disregard the fact that he lacks the pigmentation which clearly indicates that its SPSM?! come on BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:02, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Call it SPSM with KCM chakra cloak, cause the cloak looks of it.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:04, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Are you guys purposely disregarding what was said? The cloak isn't indicative of SPSM, the eyes are.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 03:06, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

What I am trying to say, It is SPSM, with KCM chakra cloak.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • sigh* it cant be like that one cant be joined with the other cause the SPSM is already the greatly enhanced form of KCM it would pe really ridiculous if you think that the two are in the form togetherBoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
And yet the the chakra cloak looks nothing on how it's suppose to, but seeing I can't make both sides agree, I give up, I'll wait for the next time he jumps into that form.— Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:12, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
*sigh* why cant people just accept the obvious evidence of it being SPSM *sigh* BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:14, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Because SPSM not an entrenchment of KCM, it's its own form that Naruto can use and allows him to go to his tailed beast chakra mode because Kurama was his only true tailed beast. SPSM is the Sage's power, not Kurama's, Kurama is with the power due to naruto being with it now. But of course no one will listen because "eye is the answer" When the cloak is no where near what it needs to look like. So I stil suggest it being a SPSM with KCM cloak around it. But of course, with facts pointed on how the SPSM needs to look like, I can't argue much. IT has no truth seeing ball, nor the Rinnegan on the back of the cloak. So What ever, It's completely SPSM, and the cloak as well. SO as I said to make it easier it is SPSM but with KCM Chakra cloak appearance. Because SPSM Chakra cloak looks nothing like it did in the Manga. — Kinglink15 (Kinglink15) 03:20, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
then the simpiest explanation is that the mode changes just like how TBSM changed from the war to the last naruto the movie. And about the rinnegan marking on the back, he transformed his cloak which approbabbly altered the markings BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:26, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

The Rinnegan-like pattern on Naruto's back was the Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal that Obito applied on Naruto to seal Shukaku and Gyuki's chakras into him. Naruto replaced the seal with a different one by the time of The Last, hence why there's no Rinnegan like pattern on his back anymore, use head people.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 03:35, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

wait wait. Since when did naruto changed the seal onhis back or rather how did u know he replaced it? BoltUzumakiXD (talk) 03:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Observation and filling the gaps.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 04:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Isn't it just Kurama Mode with Senjutsu influence? Just look at his arms. In Kurama Mode, his arms have markings, in Six Paths Sage Mode - they don't. In 704, the arms had markings. Also, in SPSM, Naruto's outfit, with the exception of the cloak, becomes black, in Kurama's Mode - only his top part becomes black, with the lines going through the lower part. Based on these descriptions, I looks to be more like Kurama-enhanced Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. Even the seal is different. In Kurama Chakra Mode it's a circle within a circle, same in 704, while in Six Paths Sage Mode it's a plain circle xD--Omojuze (talk) 06:15, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
While I do believe Elve pulled that straight out his ass (Ten-Tailed Coffin Seal sealing pieces of the One and Eight-Tails. Okay then.) the lack of the Six Paths Senjutsu mark is interesting, but at the same time he does lack the pigmentation of the eyes that denotes normal Sage Mode. Of course then there's the added fact that Kurama specifically stated "Hey glad you're actually using me again." and we know Naruto using Kurama's chakra = Nine-Tails Chakra Mode.
So instead of letting this pissing match continue further, I say we end this debate because until we see Naruto in that form and in color we're never going to know exactly which form he's in and just stick it under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode like we did every form he's got that seems derived from it.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 09:46, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Or we just name it as combined form of Kurama Mode+Six Paths Sage Mode which is his powerful new mode, KM (design-see circle and legs), SPSM (no pigmentation around eyes) I see people arguing that there can't be both, of course it can it is powerful form than just normal Kurama mode or lone SPSM, @TU3 I don't see any resemblance to Nine-Tails Chakra Mode The lines are thick he got three thick whiskers and you do know Kurama mode is upgrade for NTCM, when Kurama is inside him he can give large amount of chakra for Kurama mode because now there is no seal and it was removed by Naruto.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 10:47, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
2 Things.
1) He's glowing. That's about the bare minimum of Nine-Tails Chakra Mode. As I said, we won't know exactly what that form is until we see it in color, but at the very least we have an article that can serve as a "base", where all his forms are located anyway.
2) There is a seal, that's why the Nine-Tails is still in Naruto. The fact that the Nine-Tails is nolonger "locked in a cage" is the new circular opening on his stomach, which opened up the first time we saw him in Tailed Beast Mode (ignore the image in the infobox, that is an anime mistake. The one further down from the game is more accurate.)--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 10:57, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Okay then. Agreed, it should be under Nine-Tails Chakra Mode article.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 11:10, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Still ignoring that Six Paths Sage Mode is the crossed eyes without pigment disregarding cloak. The cloak is dependent on the seal used.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:54, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:49, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

To me, the fact Naruto's pupil are in a cross shape with no pigmentation around the eyes is proof enough he's using Six Paths Sage Mode. I agree it's weird that there are no Rinnegan and magatama on his back, but unless you want to say that Naruto can now enter Sage Mode with no pigmentation (which doesn't sound possible, according to Fukasaku), well…--JOA2020:08, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Naruto was in Sage Mode the chapter before and you could clearly see the pigmentation. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 20:22, May 22, 2015(UTC)

Did you guys ever consider that the Sage only gave Naruto Six Paths chakra. Naruto mixed that with sage mode to make Six Paths Sage Mode. That's not the chakra cloak, that's what Naruto had right before he equipped the cloak The reason the chakra cloak looks different against Madara is because he had the other tailed beasts chakra or because he only had Yin-Kurama, which altered the appearance. So since he only has full Kurama, it's just Kurama mode with Six paths sage mode activated, hence the lack of sage markings.Riptide240 (talk) 21:21, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

BumpRiptide240 (talk) 00:19, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

What don't people get? SPSM ISN'T the cloak, it's crossed eyes without pigment. According to databook Naruto was using that form while he kicked Madara's TSB and that was without any cloak, point is, don't look at the cloak to determine if it is or isn't SPSM since it has no relevance because it is SPSM even without any cloak.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:56, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Exactly, and during his fight with Sasuke, Sasuke said that he was running out of the TB chakras. So now that it's been years after, he's most likely using SPSM, but his cloak is Kurama Mode since he only has full Kurama now.Riptide240 (talk) 13:06, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
No one seems to care the articles have it wrong and what the databooks say, but oh well.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:58, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
I changed it on Naruto's page but....whateverRiptide240 (talk) 15:01, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
@Riptide240 and you changed wrong. In chapter 692 Sage stated about TB chakra being in Naruto, so with it, your edits are no good. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 15:28, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Nope, look a few chapters after, Sasuke said they were beginning to fade away or that he was running out. Obviously, that was after the Sage said that so....Riptide240 (talk) 15:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
This was not about it, Sasuke compared his 8TB + half Kurama to Naruto's portions and half Kurama saing he has more and mentoned Naruto running low on chakra(not TB's overall) wich he had, you just making things up. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 17:43, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
No, you're ignorant. In chapter 696, Sasuke specifically says that he's running low on the chakra he recieved from the bijuus Riptide240 (talk) 18:32, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
So it's me ignorant lol, and not you who by simple running low on the chakra accusation(he can for exapmle run low on Kurama chakra so why he never lost - answer is simple chakra regenerates) decided that Naruto lost all TB chakra? Or even more funny wikia got rid of all TB mentions in SPSM page since we don't have any evidence of that. So you to know, you are speculating on Naruto's TB by saing he has lost it(we don't know), by your edit you create a contradiction(by saing that TB chakra affect Naruto's SPSM). And i am the one who is ignorant, seriously? ./ Rage gtx (talk) 18:51, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, because what happens to something that runs low?, it runs out!!!! How hard is that to understand. Not to mention that in 700+4, Kurama says your finally using ME after all this time??? How much simpler does it have to get? Not to mention that we only see Kurama in there.....noone else. Suspicious much?Riptide240 (talk) 19:07, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, this has gone on long enough now. Find something more interesting to discuss, instead of going around in circles with no end in sight. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 19:10, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
In the databook there is no mention of the tailed beast on the SPSM page so they have no effect on his altered appearance. You're speculating saying that the other tailed beast chakra ran out, Kurama's chakra completely ran out during the fight and he's still around.--(Kuroiraikou (talk) 21:39, May 23, 2015 (UTC))

just had a light bulb...I THINK...that this mode is six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...not all the tailed beast which he used during the 4th war [maybe the small changes are due to kurama's both halves merged after the war]...but then again it defies the six paths sage mode's definition...which is all the tailed beasts chakra + senjutsu...I dunno...I'm confused too...this mode unfortunately has more indications of the sage tailed beast mode than six paths sage mode...although I have to say I can see a circle at naruto's back...but it doesn't strike me as a rinnegan pattern...maybe it's hiding under that big chakra cloak...but the mode that naruto used when he saved guy from madara's truth fucking ball was also six paths sage mode...I think we need to make a distinction between six paths sage mode with & without TB chakra in the article...and also between six paths sage mode with only kurama's chakra...any thoughts?.. --DARK ZERO--talk 08:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

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