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== "Shipping" Page ==
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I see Ultimite3 still hasn't change this "shipping page" or allow anyone else to post a more neutral position. Since no one willing to talk about the Elephant in the room I will, This is nothing but a Shipping page in disgiuse! There is no clear evidence on what character Kishimoto is going to pair off to another character in the series. Heck, Kishimoto still has Karin in love with Sasuke even after he trie to kill her. Both the Sakura and Hinata subsections need to be rewritten, the Sakura section more than the Hinata one. Statements like "Naruto "had" a long standing crush" and "never going to happen" are unsupported by any actual facts. The synopsis for Naruto Shippuden episode 235 in the Sakura section is a complete fraud. It is not a debate on wether or not anime is canon but the fact that it's statement that Naruto no longer loves Sakura and only wants her to be happy with Sasuke is a Lie! The following is an actual exerpt from that Episode.
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Maybe add Asuma, along with the frogs to the mix as well? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:35, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
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:The page is called "Naruto's relationships", not "everybody Naruto has ever spoken to". The article should remove several of these sections, not add more. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:23, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
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::If i had to pick, i would say at least get rid of Temari/Kankurō, Shizune and the new generation. Maybe Ebisu? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 17:36, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
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:::My suggestion would be to not add anymore but not get rid of anything either.[[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 17:40, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Don't agree, nothing more should be add, but useless sections should just be removed. They don't improve the wiki. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:41, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Well if i had to get rid of something it would be either Hanabi or Roshi and Son Goku. [[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 17:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
   
"Naruto" I mean, I don't know anything about marriage and stuff, but don't you have to love someone and be attracted to each other?
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Per SnapperTwo. Seriously, all of these extraneous sections are part of the reason why relationship pages for other characters is a terrible idea. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:35, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
"Shizuki" That's
 
"Naruto" I have a girl I love named Sakura. Well actually, its one-sided on my part. Sakura is totally in love a guy named Sasuke. She tries so hard, chasing after him and trying to win his love. When she's at it, her smile is the cutest thing. There no explaining it. Before I realizes it, I was in love with her. I would never try to force her to love me. I'd be no different that guy just now if I did. So I made up my mind. In the same way that Sakura tries so hard to win Sasuke over, I'm going to do my best to win Sakura over.
 
   
Does this sound like Naruto just wants to be friends with Sakura? Nope, it does not. To address the comments by Michma12, Kishimoto's comments in the interview on Road to Ninja refer to the Mirrorverse version of Naruto characters not about the plot or any Naruto/Sakura moments. The ninth Naruto "Road to Ninja" movie does count as canon for the following reasons, The tie-in anime episode Road to Sakura. Both Naruto anime series are an expansion of canon not against it, at least in this anime series. There is also the special Zero issue of the actual manga that is a prequel to the movie. Thus making it's content's like Naruto still in love with Sakura canon. Also the controversy about Kushina's last words was about the fact there are three different versions of the second to last line of her last words. In the American manga release it states "don't fall for the first girl that comes your way" meaning pro-Hinata but in the actual Manga version it states a "weird one" instead, meaning pro-Sakura and the anime version simply states "a bad one" which is neutral. In Japanesse bad is Warui, weird is Kikai, and first is Saisho Hajime or Ichiban. Since the American version is highly rewritten by Viz Media the US version is very much in doubt given it's polciy of changing what is original written by Kishimoto. It was also pointed out to you, Michma12 on your talkpage months before by some else. Please don't try to pass off your personal opinions as facts.
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::extraneous? I do argee thsi page is for people he has close ties to, and impacts on, yeah I forgot where I was going with this? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
Masashi Kishimoto really needs to settle the pairing debate soon. Zombie armies and giant monster brawels are all good but the whole Sasuke/Sakura/Naruto/Hinata love quadrangle and all it's branches has to resolved before the arguements between fans make fandom anymore toxic, It's driving all freaking nuts! --[[User:BrennanMulcahey|BrennanMulcahey]] ([[User talk:BrennanMulcahey|talk]]) 09:53, November 23, 2012 (UTC)[[User:BrennanMulcahey]]
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:::Some of us are pushing the boundaries of character interactions here. Naruto had like zero contact with Hanabi throughout the whole series (except maybe ''The Last'' where Hanabi called Naruto "Brother Naruto", but I'm pretty sure meant Hinata), and the new generation seems pretty rushed considering the new manga chapter was released last week. I'd get rid of these two, and change the "parents" and "children" sections back to where they were. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] ([[User talk:SSJ2AJB|talk]]) 19:53, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Well, that was quite the cleanup, Snapper. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 18:43, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::There were a bit too many people removed. Some leaf ninja could have been kept. [[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 18:47, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
   
BrennanMulcahey, you truly are an idiot aren't you? Did you know that there are two versions of that anime episode? One with what you said happened and another where the words say that he knows it's one sided but is happy so long as she's happy. However, one was taken down do to controversial reasons. If Naruto didn't say these words in the manga, they aren't canon. As much as you want it to be, bitch and moan as loud as you can, it isn't canon. Naruto has shown deep feelings for Sakura, yes I'll agree, but to what extent hasn't been fully elaborated or confirmed. In Sai's opinion he thinks Naruto is in love with Sakura, but realizes it may not be to the extent he thought it was. But that means squat when the girl doesn't have the same feelings for him and is in love with a guy she'll most likely still be in love with even if he's dead, an example being Tsunade and Dan.
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I anticipated that you and [[User:SuperSaiyaMan|another user]] would have an issue with the clean up. But again, this is a "Naruto's Relationships" page, not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to. There was too much to begin with. And I'm pretty sure we agreed on this talkpage that a removal of extraneous sections was needed, no? It was utterly unnecessary to add everything back when other users on the talkpage agreed that sections needed to be removed. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 18:53, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::Well, it would not have hurt to keep a few people like Ino, or Orochimaru.[[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 18:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
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:::Question:
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:::*What significant relationship (key word: ''relationship'', not encounter) does Naruto have with Ino or Orochimaru that has spanned across the entirety of the manga or has had a major impact on Naruto's life, behavior, way of thinking and vice versa?
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:::Again, this is not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to, nor should we document an encounter Naruto has had with every minor character on this page. (And I also anticipate some edit warring after this...) You're going to have to provide more legitimate reasons to keep certain characters other than "They should be kept there."
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:::I don't mind some characters being added back, but there has to be some legitimacy in doing so. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:12, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Very well. I'll try to come up with a legit reason, but how is Naruto's relationship with Kabuto more significant than his one with Orochimaru? And no i will try not to start an edit war.[[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 19:19, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
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:::::Naruto developed his Rasengan, a signature move, for the first time against Kabuto, not to mention the repeated encounters he's had with Kabuto from the beginning of the series to Part II. And also, Naruto had a profound impact on Kabuto modifying his body, per stated in the article. That is how Naruto impacted Kabuto's behavior, decisions, way of thinking, etc. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:My criteria for inclusion were twofold:
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:#'''Characters that have had an impact on Naruto''' - This seems logical enough.
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:#'''Characters that Naruto has had an impact on''' - This article originally grew out of the desire to better-document Naruto's "power" to change people. Obviously the article's moved very far away from that, but it's still a common theme for a number of these characters; Gaara, Neji, Obito, etc. It's for that reason that I left Kabuto, since Kabuto credits Naruto for some of his life decisions.
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:Whether or not the second criterion is worthwhile is up to other people. However, since it's actually commented on in the series, it should be documented ''somewhere'', and for some reason Naruto's actual article doesn't. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:40, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::Thing is, many people tend to misinterpret that criteria. For instance, just because Naruto fought with Orochimaru, Madara, Kaguya, Black Zetsu does not mean they all have an individual relationship with Naruto (it's just an encounter, note it in Naruto's article or something), nor does it mean that they've impacted each other's decision-making towards life and such.
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::And yeah, Kabuto actually accredited Naruto as the one that influenced his decisions and actions. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:50, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::So what about characters that Naruto didn't influence but he was influenced by? Like Yamato was the whole reason Naruto stopped relying on the Nine-tails power and wasn't Orochimaru a big part of why Naruto began training for 3 years? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 00:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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::::From exclusively that standpoint, the Yamato situation is, again, just an encounter. It was temporal, with no long-lasting impact, as Naruto eventually continued to use Kurama's power after that (I'm not against Yamato being added at all, but there has to be some more legitimacy). Also, Orochimaru was not the primary reason Naruto began training for that time. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 06:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
Though I will agree that the Sakura and Hinata things should be revised later on. However, despite Hinata's lack of screen time, several of those moments, unlike Sakura, portrays about their relationship. That isn't to say that Sakura's relationship isn't important either, just that certain moments are repetition and whatnot, and are later seen as irrelevant when new occurrences occur that contradict those moments. Same with Hinata.
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== Quotes ==
   
Theres also the fact that movies and filler episodes aren't canon to the manga storyline, the manga part for Road to Ninja was nothing more than a way to advertise the movie. Kishimoto stated that some elements from filler inspire him but nothing more. Also like I said before, when elements from the anime clash with the manga we go with the manga version instead. Kishimoto stated it was fun to make, but was still not canon! Also Kushina's words were this "Try not to fall for a weird one... try to find someone like your mother." And Minato was laughing/smiling in the next scene because it was humorous. Why? Because he knows that Kushina was a weird girl when she was younger. Can you honestly say that Kushina was a normal kid or teenager? I don't think so. You also need to realize that certain love/crush moments Naruto had for Sakura were flashbacks to way back to close to early middle of Shippuden. It is possible they changed. Give hard evidence and I'll accept it. Till then stop being a big baby and grow up.--[[User:Michma12|Michma12]] ([[User talk:Michma12|talk]]) 21:49, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
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I know it's a little late but just asking why were the quotes removed? they define the character's personality, they were valid, I know everything can be explained in paragraphs, but still the page looked good with them. So just wondering.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 13:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
Honestly I think you're both over thinking this. Certainly opinions on Sakura or Hinata in terms of their relationship with Naruto are going to be confused and jaded from fan perspectives, making writing a totally unbiased article about it difficult. Similarly so since we don't know what resolution Kishimoto is intending. I'm still pissed at the guy for Naruto running out on Hinata's confession, but that's just me. This however, is not the point. You're addressing only two characters on a list with over a dozen people on it. Bitch about shipping all you want, but this page is about Naruto's relationships with other important characters, not just his romantic ones, but his teachers, his parents, his friends, his rivals and even his enemies and since this isn't Fanfiction.net, I can assure you the romantic value of each one only bares mentioning in Sakura and Hinata's cases. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 23:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
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:If I had to hazard a guess, they provided very little to the page and just increased the page length. If you feel otherwise you're more than welcome to re-add them and we'll see how that goes.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:25, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
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::Thank you, agreed some were redundant but I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 14:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
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:::They did indeed provide very little to the page. If one wants to see the quotes so badly, then one can go read the manga or watch the anime. The page is supposed to describe Naruto's ''relationships'' with people he considers close to him, and mere quotes don't achieve that purpose. All they do is cover what every person says about him.
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:::You are right though, quotes do define a character's personality, hence why they're valid in character articles, but at the end of them and not throughout, as we don't need dialogue throughout the article when one can still read the manga or watch the anime. But that's just my two cents. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:20, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Fair point, the article already has everything, I was about to add quotes to show how those character had impact on Naruto's personality, and why they are unique to his relationship, only a few unique characters like Iruka, Kakashi, & Itachi's quotes, but there are so many, I guess I was being selective.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 16:43, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

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Maybe add Asuma, along with the frogs to the mix as well? Justin Holland (talk) 03:35, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

The page is called "Naruto's relationships", not "everybody Naruto has ever spoken to". The article should remove several of these sections, not add more. ~SnapperTo 17:23, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
If i had to pick, i would say at least get rid of Temari/Kankurō, Shizune and the new generation. Maybe Ebisu? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 17:36, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to not add anymore but not get rid of anything either.Anchorman34 (talk) 17:40, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Don't agree, nothing more should be add, but useless sections should just be removed. They don't improve the wiki. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 17:41, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Well if i had to get rid of something it would be either Hanabi or Roshi and Son Goku. Anchorman34 (talk) 17:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34

Per SnapperTwo. Seriously, all of these extraneous sections are part of the reason why relationship pages for other characters is a terrible idea. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:35, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

extraneous? I do argee thsi page is for people he has close ties to, and impacts on, yeah I forgot where I was going with this? Justin Holland (talk) 19:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Some of us are pushing the boundaries of character interactions here. Naruto had like zero contact with Hanabi throughout the whole series (except maybe The Last where Hanabi called Naruto "Brother Naruto", but I'm pretty sure meant Hinata), and the new generation seems pretty rushed considering the new manga chapter was released last week. I'd get rid of these two, and change the "parents" and "children" sections back to where they were. --SSJ2AJB (talk) 19:53, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Well, that was quite the cleanup, Snapper. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 18:43, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
There were a bit too many people removed. Some leaf ninja could have been kept. Anchorman34 (talk) 18:47, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34

I anticipated that you and another user would have an issue with the clean up. But again, this is a "Naruto's Relationships" page, not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to. There was too much to begin with. And I'm pretty sure we agreed on this talkpage that a removal of extraneous sections was needed, no? It was utterly unnecessary to add everything back when other users on the talkpage agreed that sections needed to be removed. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 18:53, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it would not have hurt to keep a few people like Ino, or Orochimaru.Anchorman34 (talk) 18:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
Question:
  • What significant relationship (key word: relationship, not encounter) does Naruto have with Ino or Orochimaru that has spanned across the entirety of the manga or has had a major impact on Naruto's life, behavior, way of thinking and vice versa?
Again, this is not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to, nor should we document an encounter Naruto has had with every minor character on this page. (And I also anticipate some edit warring after this...) You're going to have to provide more legitimate reasons to keep certain characters other than "They should be kept there."
I don't mind some characters being added back, but there has to be some legitimacy in doing so. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:12, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Very well. I'll try to come up with a legit reason, but how is Naruto's relationship with Kabuto more significant than his one with Orochimaru? And no i will try not to start an edit war.Anchorman34 (talk) 19:19, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
Naruto developed his Rasengan, a signature move, for the first time against Kabuto, not to mention the repeated encounters he's had with Kabuto from the beginning of the series to Part II. And also, Naruto had a profound impact on Kabuto modifying his body, per stated in the article. That is how Naruto impacted Kabuto's behavior, decisions, way of thinking, etc. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
My criteria for inclusion were twofold:
  1. Characters that have had an impact on Naruto - This seems logical enough.
  2. Characters that Naruto has had an impact on - This article originally grew out of the desire to better-document Naruto's "power" to change people. Obviously the article's moved very far away from that, but it's still a common theme for a number of these characters; Gaara, Neji, Obito, etc. It's for that reason that I left Kabuto, since Kabuto credits Naruto for some of his life decisions.
Whether or not the second criterion is worthwhile is up to other people. However, since it's actually commented on in the series, it should be documented somewhere, and for some reason Naruto's actual article doesn't. ~SnapperTo 19:40, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Thing is, many people tend to misinterpret that criteria. For instance, just because Naruto fought with Orochimaru, Madara, Kaguya, Black Zetsu does not mean they all have an individual relationship with Naruto (it's just an encounter, note it in Naruto's article or something), nor does it mean that they've impacted each other's decision-making towards life and such.
And yeah, Kabuto actually accredited Naruto as the one that influenced his decisions and actions. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:50, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
So what about characters that Naruto didn't influence but he was influenced by? Like Yamato was the whole reason Naruto stopped relying on the Nine-tails power and wasn't Orochimaru a big part of why Naruto began training for 3 years? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
From exclusively that standpoint, the Yamato situation is, again, just an encounter. It was temporal, with no long-lasting impact, as Naruto eventually continued to use Kurama's power after that (I'm not against Yamato being added at all, but there has to be some more legitimacy). Also, Orochimaru was not the primary reason Naruto began training for that time. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 06:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Quotes Edit

I know it's a little late but just asking why were the quotes removed? they define the character's personality, they were valid, I know everything can be explained in paragraphs, but still the page looked good with them. So just wondering.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 13:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

If I had to hazard a guess, they provided very little to the page and just increased the page length. If you feel otherwise you're more than welcome to re-add them and we'll see how that goes.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 14:25, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, agreed some were redundant but I'll see what I can do.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 14:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
They did indeed provide very little to the page. If one wants to see the quotes so badly, then one can go read the manga or watch the anime. The page is supposed to describe Naruto's relationships with people he considers close to him, and mere quotes don't achieve that purpose. All they do is cover what every person says about him.
You are right though, quotes do define a character's personality, hence why they're valid in character articles, but at the end of them and not throughout, as we don't need dialogue throughout the article when one can still read the manga or watch the anime. But that's just my two cents. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:20, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Fair point, the article already has everything, I was about to add quotes to show how those character had impact on Naruto's personality, and why they are unique to his relationship, only a few unique characters like Iruka, Kakashi, & Itachi's quotes, but there are so many, I guess I was being selective.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 16:43, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

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