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| ⚫ | I see Ultimite3 still hasn't change this "shipping page" or allow anyone else to post a more neutral position. Since no one willing to talk about the Elephant in the room I will, This is nothing but a Shipping page in disgiuse! There is no clear evidence on what character Kishimoto is going to pair off to another character in the series. Heck, Kishimoto still has Karin in love with Sasuke even after he trie to kill her. Both the Sakura and Hinata subsections need to be rewritten, the Sakura section more than the Hinata one. Statements like "Naruto "had" a long standing crush" and "never going to happen" are unsupported by any actual facts. The synopsis for Naruto Shippuden episode 235 in the Sakura section is a complete fraud. It is not a debate on wether or not anime is canon but the fact that it's statement that Naruto no longer loves Sakura and only wants her to be happy with Sasuke is a Lie! The following is an actual exerpt from that Episode. |
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"Naruto" I mean, I don't know anything about marriage and stuff, but don't you have to love someone and be attracted to each other? |
"Naruto" I mean, I don't know anything about marriage and stuff, but don't you have to love someone and be attracted to each other? |
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Does this sound like Naruto just wants to be friends with Sakura? Nope, it does not. To address the comments by Michma12, Kishimoto's comments in the interview on Road to Ninja refer to the Mirrorverse version of Naruto characters not about the plot or any Naruto/Sakura moments. The ninth Naruto "Road to Ninja" movie does count as canon for the following reasons, The tie-in anime episode Road to Sakura. Both Naruto anime series are an expansion of canon not against it, at least in this anime series. There is also the special Zero issue of the actual manga that is a prequel to the movie. Thus making it's content's like Naruto still in love with Sakura canon. Also the controversy about Kushina's last words was about the fact there are three different versions of the second to last line of her last words. In the American manga release it states "don't fall for the first girl that comes your way" meaning pro-Hinata but in the actual Manga version it states a "weird one" instead, meaning pro-Sakura and the anime version simply states "a bad one" which is neutral. In Japanesse bad is Warui, weird is Kikai, and first is Saisho Hajime or Ichiban. Since the American version is highly rewritten by Viz Media the US version is very much in doubt given it's polciy of changing what is original written by Kishimoto. It was also pointed out to you, Michma12 on your talkpage months before by some else. Please don't try to pass off your personal opinions as facts. |
Does this sound like Naruto just wants to be friends with Sakura? Nope, it does not. To address the comments by Michma12, Kishimoto's comments in the interview on Road to Ninja refer to the Mirrorverse version of Naruto characters not about the plot or any Naruto/Sakura moments. The ninth Naruto "Road to Ninja" movie does count as canon for the following reasons, The tie-in anime episode Road to Sakura. Both Naruto anime series are an expansion of canon not against it, at least in this anime series. There is also the special Zero issue of the actual manga that is a prequel to the movie. Thus making it's content's like Naruto still in love with Sakura canon. Also the controversy about Kushina's last words was about the fact there are three different versions of the second to last line of her last words. In the American manga release it states "don't fall for the first girl that comes your way" meaning pro-Hinata but in the actual Manga version it states a "weird one" instead, meaning pro-Sakura and the anime version simply states "a bad one" which is neutral. In Japanesse bad is Warui, weird is Kikai, and first is Saisho Hajime or Ichiban. Since the American version is highly rewritten by Viz Media the US version is very much in doubt given it's polciy of changing what is original written by Kishimoto. It was also pointed out to you, Michma12 on your talkpage months before by some else. Please don't try to pass off your personal opinions as facts. |
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| − | Masashi Kishimoto really needs to settle the pairing debate soon. Zombie armies and giant monster brawels are all good but the whole Sasuke/Sakura/Naruto/Hinata love quadrangle and all it's branches has to resolved before the arguements between fans make fandom anymore toxic, It's driving all freaking nuts! |
+ | Masashi Kishimoto really needs to settle the pairing debate soon. Zombie armies and giant monster brawels are all good but the whole Sasuke/Sakura/Naruto/Hinata love quadrangle and all it's branches has to resolved before the arguements between fans make fandom anymore toxic, It's driving all freaking nuts! --[[User:BrennanMulcahey|BrennanMulcahey]] ([[User talk:BrennanMulcahey|talk]]) 09:53, November 23, 2012 (UTC)[[User:BrennanMulcahey]] |
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| − | Why was this page even created? Anyone who watches the anime or more importantly reads the manga knows the relation of every character with another, any special behaviour/attitude gets noted on their personality section why should this page exist? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.23.198|119.154.23.198]] ([[User talk:119.154.23.198|talk]]) 13:25, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :We've discussed that these types of pages causes shipping wars and even worse is just not needed. --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 13:47, March 29, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi |
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| − | ::@Anon: This is better than putting it everything on Naruto's article. But for the beginners this will be helpful. Bleach wiki used this style before and it helped me when I'm starting to watch Bleach. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[w:c:Naruto:User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 14:06, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :::It just cramps the style of this wiki and thats no excuse that the Bleach wiki started doing it. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.23.198|119.154.23.198]] ([[User talk:119.154.23.198|talk]]) 14:08, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::Well that's your opinion. Who told you I'm using Bleach wiki as excuse? I'm just USING IT as AN EXAMPLE, not an excuse. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[w:c:Naruto:User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 14:10, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::I'm okay with this page's existence. I don't see any real problems with it. It could help cut down the length of Naruto's article a bit. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:40, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | There is no need for shipping pages like this?! And if this would be much easier than write them to the character's profile, why didn't you made to ALL characters? |
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| − | This page should be deleted, before somebody would belive this wikia page is only just a group of shipping fanservice gays. {{Unsigned|Mangekyo22}} |
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| − | :What are "Shipping Wars"?[[User:Man-o-Vertigo|Man-o-Vertigo]] ([[User talk:Man-o-Vertigo|talk]]) 14:55, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | @Mangekyo22: I don't see any reason at all to delete this article. If the admins don't want it, they will delete the article. IMO, this will help in reducing Naruto's article because it takes about a minute to load all the content on it. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 14:57, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Why, aren't you an admin? Back to this unnesecary page, if you just don't want to make Naruto's profile making long, then delete all the unnesecary things! |
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| − | And as I said, if you do this to one character, do to ALL characters! That's how it should work! {{Unsigned|Mangekyo22}} |
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| − | :@Mangekyo22 Please remember to sign your posts by adding four of these ~ after your post. Anyway, There's no need to delete a ton of stuff from Naruto's page when moving the information here is a seemly better alternative. I believe the page is fine, but I suppose the admins have the final say. |
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| − | :Edit: If this article stays, I think we should limit it to some of the more important relationships, as the article currently does. Also, Mangekyo22, you do not delete page content like that. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 15:10, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::The reason is simple. Naruto's personality section was long. Very very long. Most of the information in it did not pertain to his personality, but his relationship with various people. Instead of cutting all that info completely, it was simply moved to a more suitable place. |
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| − | ::The article is '''NOT''' ment to be some sort of shipping article. I must admit, I probably thought way to highly of people in this day and age, but I assumed people were logical enough to know "relationship" does not mean "romance".--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 15:13, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :::What he said. ^^ --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[w:c:Naruto:User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 15:21, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | I don't see the reason why the all that even has to be on the personality article of his. If people need help of any special sort, they can read the Chapter and Episode guides that have been made. People have before asked the help of this wikia's users to elaborate the story for example: [[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Can_anybody_explain_easily_the_story_of_Naruto_upto_episode_10%3F]]. We can alter the personality article to shorten it. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.23.198|119.154.23.198]] ([[User talk:119.154.23.198|talk]]) 15:53, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :Not all people read the guide, and I'm one of them. That forum you're talking about, as far as I know, violated the policies. We are an encyclopedia. Forums are made to DISCUSS articles for improvement, not for stuffs like that. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime2|Ilnarutoanime]] 16:07, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::That isn't a good reason as to why we should create a new one just so that you don't have to search for it or watch/read it. I used that forum to explain that people do ask stuff about relations, jutsu, etc like that look at the article and user talk pages. Instead I suggest instead of creating articles like these we shorten the Naruto page by removing anime-only arcs on character pages that would save a lot of space just like how the Adventures at Sea Arc was dealt with. Articles like these make way for all sorts of edit wars. [[User:Raymond Phoenix|Raymond Phoenix]] ([[User talk:Raymond Phoenix|talk]]) 16:22, March 29, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Uhm. I tagged the article for deletion before I saw this. Nonetheless, I've always liked this wikia's stance against "relationship" (sections) for the simple reason that there's no need [in my opinion at least] to actually mention them. With the exception of [budding] romances and how they help to shape a person (like Hinata for example — which I think is unavoidable and possible Naruto's relationship with her to show his resolve and strength of character) Otherwise stuff outside of that I believe should be removed about who liking whom and who possibly likes whom not have articles created for it.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 00:33, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :@Cerez Hopefully I didn't misread your post. This article isn't about relationships in the vein of shipping characters together, but Naruto's noteworthy relationship with characters and the progression in those relationships I believe. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 00:51, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::I meant all of those. I don't think it's necessary to be pointing out people's relationship in an article. People naturally grow and progress with people around them. If this were a soap opera or a manga more centric on something like that, then I suppose it'd be fine but for me at least, I don't think it's necessary for "''Naruto''".--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 01:13, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Why is this page needed? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.20.214|119.154.20.214]] ([[User talk:119.154.20.214|talk]]) 06:01, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :Read the whole page above your post. It answers your question. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 06:10, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::@Cerez, this page has TWO advantages at least. |
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| − | ::First, it will shorten Naruto's personality page. |
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| − | ::Second, it explains special relationships between characters. |
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| − | ::At least I agree with Skitts. We should only put characters Naruto has as special friendship, and at least those who believe at him, ex. Itachi Uchiha. |
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| − | ::--[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 10:05, March 30, 2012 (UTC) [Ilnarutoanime] |
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| − | :::With Naruto being the title character, his page is expected to be long and there are other ways to deal with that. Collapsible sections and the pruning of the page of unnecessary stuff like that. Just browsing through the first part of this article that whole section about his parent can be found in their articles and the relevant pieces in his own. |
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| − | :::I've already refuted the need for the relationships between characters having to be defined in articles or sections unless they affect the persons character or such directly. |
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| − | :::There's probably going to be a myriad of articles to follow this one mentioning every person's that has ever talked to someone else.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 10:37, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::Yes, I know that it's really expected. I believe we won't do it in other characters, or just in Naruto's case. Naruto is the main character and we should always make sure to improve and emphasize his page. |
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| − | ::::For me this should be only done on Naruto's page. |
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| − | ::::--[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 10:44, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | As I explained, the page was made because as it currently is, Naruto's page was just to long. I'm sure it's just my university's ass internet, but both Naruto and Sasuke's page takes a good minute or so of loading before even reaching the page. So, in my opinion, the page needed to be shortened. |
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| − | Then the question comes, what to do with the information. It's not wrong, and it's all relevant to Naruto's character, but titans he couldn't stay in his personality section. Thus, a page specifically for his relationships. Also using your reasoning Cerez, his interactions with other people do affect the himself and others directly, what with his whole "unique charisma" and "Talk no Jutsu" going on. |
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| − | If you are worried about extra work being involved because of this addition, I will gladly become the Relationship Specialist (giving myself another title) and monitor whatever relationship page happens to pop up in the future on my own.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 11:49, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | I didn't know this page existed. --[[Special:Contributions/109.93.8.59|109.93.8.59]] ([[User talk:109.93.8.59|talk]]) 14:59, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :@TheUltimate3: our internet also load it very long. I agree with you. |
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| − | :--[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 20:22, March 30, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | So, has it been decided whether or not this page is staying? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 02:17, March 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :What about other people who Naruto changed thanks to his "unique charisma", such as Tsunade, Chiyo and Sai? We can't really list those as relationships, but if this page covers "Talk no Jutsu", should they be mentioned somehow? --[[User:Kiadony|kiadony]] --[[User talk:Kiadony|talk to me]]-- 06:07, March 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | yeah. They must be mentioned [[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil dabholkar]] ([[User talk:Salil dabholkar|talk]]) 06:13, March 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :@Skitts: For me this page must stay here. There is nothing wrong with the information here. |
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| − | :@Kiadony: I think Naruto's relationship with Sai is noteworthy, but not Tsunade and Chiyo. He just changed their point of views, respectively. |
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| − | "--[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 07:30, March 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | == Kakashi Hatake Section == |
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| − | I was just wondering ,why doesn't Kakashi also have a paragraph in this section? I think he and Naurto's relationship is very important to the series ,namely because he sees Naruto as Minato's successor. I dunno maybe I'm reading too much into that.--[[User:Hordy4040|Hordy4040]] ([[User talk:Hordy4040|talk]]) 02:46, April 2, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :Yeah you're right. I never noticed it probably I removed it. He and Kakashi has a close relationship as well and Naruto regards Kakashi as one of the people who acknowledged him. |
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| − | :--[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 20:30, April 2, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Out of curiosity, shouldn't we be adding Killer Bee, Choji, Ino, as well Temari and Kankuro since he made a connection to them through Gaara?--[[User:Hockey Machete|Hockey Machete]] ([[User talk:Hockey Machete|talk]]) 16:16, April 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | these connections are too small and unimportant to be made. Naruto has made connections with almost everyone. So this list will be never ending. [[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil dabholkar]] ([[User talk:Salil dabholkar|talk]]) 16:20, April 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | But some of those people were added. But Ino and some others weren't. Ino is part of the Konaha 11 so they do have an important relationship. And others have an important relationship with Naruto that aren't in this page now. Can someone add them? Like Ino, Konan, Kankuro and Temari? (PLEASE ANSWER!) [[User:Chix777|Chix777]] ([[User talk:Chix777|talk]]) |
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| − | Just a question. But shouldn't Killer B be listed too? [[User:NarutoAnime|NarutoAnime]] ([[User talk:NarutoAnime|talk]]) 18:09, April 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :Personally, I don't think so. Not yet anyway. I think we should only have his more outstanding relationships on the article. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 19:26, April 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | == Zabuza and Haku == |
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| − | What about these two? even i they didnt have enough appearance in the series it was thanks to them that Naruto follows his current path |
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| − | --[[User:Haseo55|Haseo55]] ([[User talk:Haseo55|talk]]) 03:47, April 7, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | == Slow down == |
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| − | C'mon people, just because it's a page listing his relationships, it doesn't mean we need to list every person he has ever talked to. For example, he has never had important or relevant talks with Ino, Chōji, Tenten and Guy, yet someone added section headings for those people. Keep it down to big and relevant relationships, people who changed him and people who were changed by him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:39, April 7, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | == Shikamaru == |
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| − | Shouldn't we include how Sikamaru said that whenever he's with Naruto, there's something that makes him want to follow him? I forgot what episode it was on, but it's when shikamaru comes home and he talks to his father about Naruto. It was in the Invasion of Pain Arc when Inoichi asks Shikaku why he let Naruto go on his own to meet Nagato, and Shikaku has a flashback of the moment he was talking to Shikamaru who was talking to him about Naruto. |
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| − | (p.s. btw I'm not logged on that's y it says this page was edited by "a wikia contributor") |
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| − | :Well they somewhat have a close relationship. So I think it should. :D --[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 04:54, April 10, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Ok but I really don't know how to word it into the paragraph.. Haha |
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| − | //[[User:Filipinoboy97|Filipinoboy97]] |
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| − | :Isn't that just pointing out Naruto unique brand of charisma? [[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 19:34, April 24, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | i understand that naruto hasnt had much relations with choji ino etc. but dont you think we should add them? i saw the "konoha 11" area and its not really konoha 11 its more of konoha 5. i just think we should include them cause thay are in fact part of kkonoha 11. [[User:Tris0928|Tris0928]] ([[User talk:Tris0928|talk]]) 04:47, April 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :Choji seemed better to be added than Ino, though. ~_- --[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 04:55, April 10, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | can anyone remove itachi from antagonist section and put it back on top...? |
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| − | :no.[[User:Tris0928|Tris0928]] ([[User talk:Tris0928|talk]]) 09:20, April 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::Naruto hardly spoke something with (good) itachi. All major connections were with (bad)Itachi [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|Salil<sub>2212</sub>™]][[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|20px]] 09:33, April 9, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Naruto had, what, like one connection to the "bad" Itachi, and that was when he placed the crow inside of him. He's had a few with the true Itachi, during and after the fight with Nagato. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 13:42, April 10, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::::"Bad" Itachi also tried to capture him in Part I. Then there's the fight with the 30% clone, too. [[User:Alexdhamp|Alexdhamp]] ([[User talk:Alexdhamp|talk]]) 19:32, April 24, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Am I the only one here who sees the mindblowing biasness on this article, specifically on Hinata(which is even longer than Sasuke's) and to a lesser extent Sakura's? Can't people try and not put their pairing preferences into it? I say this because not too long ago, I added more on Sakura's page(due to it being terribly short), talking about how close Naruto and Sakura are, as well as Naruto's love for her which was all stated in canon and yet it got erased. '''Why?''' This isn't supposed to be a shipping article and I'm more than a little annoyed that people keep distorting this page. This page should be deleted if this continues since people can't keep their preferences to themselves. [[User:Romance Girl|Romance Girl]] ([[User talk:Romance Girl|talk]]) 05:15, April 28, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl |
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| − | '''The reason for that is because Hinata's had more moments of showing "Love" then Naruto has. Naruto has shown more "friendship love" for Sakura "than, love love". It doesn't mean Naruto isn't in love with Sakura, it's just Hinata is more romantically in love with Naruto than he is with Sakura.''' |
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| − | There is non-stop vandalism to this page and it's starting to disrupt the wiki. Should the page be indefinitely protected to sysop editing only or just get removed ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 13:20, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Speysider and TheUltimate3: Why have this article if you two refuse to keep it neutral? Why consider any attempts to keep it neutral, vandalism? You two insist on making Sakura the only one to have Filler information included, which is CLEAR BIAS. If you believe filler to be canon, then have the decency to apply that to every other character in this article. Otherwise, it comes off as a shipping article does it not? |
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| − | Others have attempted to tell TheUltimate3 before that no other character here has filler info included, but he/she has insisted of keeping the article biased, and any attempts at proper neutrality is now considered vandalism. |
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| − | So explain to me why such obvious bias is preferred here over neutrality, as was supposed to be a standard? [[Special:Contributions/50.89.109.110|50.89.109.110]] ([[User talk:50.89.109.110|talk]]) 13:24, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :If you disagree with something, you use the talkpage. You don't just remove information because you don't like it. There is no bias here. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 13:25, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ::The Bias is quite obvious. To say there is no bias is utterly ridiculous. The bias is the fact that Sakura is the only one to include filler episode summaries while every other character here doesn't. Explain how that is not bias? Especially considering the nature of the information chosen to be considered vandalism if removed? Every time someone has attempted to keep it neutral by specifically removing the filler episode summary and reference, he/she has chosen to put it back, but only for that specific edit. If filler information is indeed canon, and necessary for this article then please edit every character and add relevant filler information. Also, it would be nice if you address my criticism rather than ignore it. I would like to know your reasoning behind having one character to be the only one to have filler info?[[Special:Contributions/50.89.109.110|50.89.109.110]] ([[User talk:50.89.109.110|talk]]) 13:29, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | BrennanMulcahey, you truly are an idiot aren't you? Did you know that there are two versions of that anime episode? One with what you said happened and another where the words say that he knows it's one sided but is happy so long as she's happy. However, one was taken down do to controversial reasons. If Naruto didn't say these words in the manga, they aren't canon. As much as you want it to be, bitch and moan as loud as you can, it isn't canon. Naruto has shown deep feelings for Sakura, yes I'll agree, but to what extent hasn't been fully elaborated or confirmed. In Sai's opinion he thinks Naruto is in love with Sakura, but realizes it may not be to the extent he thought it was. But that means squat when the girl doesn't have the same feelings for him and is in love with a guy she'll most likely still be in love with even if he's dead, an example being Tsunade and Dan. |
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| − | :::This wiki chronicles all information, from fillers to canon and OVA's. We don't just leave stuff out because we think "Oh, that info came from a filler so nobody wants that". Everything is referenced so issues like this don't come up. It clearly has a reference tag that states the information comes from an anime only episode. I don't see what problem there is with the information, it's just that Sakura was the only character the anime directors decided to give filler info on. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 13:34, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | Though I will agree that the Sakura and Hinata things should be revised later on. However, despite Hinata's lack of screen time, several of those moments, unlike Sakura, portrays about their relationship. That isn't to say that Sakura's relationship isn't important either, just that certain moments are repetition and whatnot, and are later seen as irrelevant when new occurrences occur that contradict those moments. Same with Hinata. |
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| − | ::::There are plenty of filler episodes that have included Naruto with Neji, Rock Lee, Hinata, Konohamaru and others, so I find it odd that such a thing is only done for Sakura. The reference isn't the issue. It's the fact that I haven't seen any information outside of the manga added to any of the other characters other than Sakura. If you honestly believe Sakura to be the only one to have noteworthy information from a filler/ova/movie then I can't argue with that belief, but I believe it to be debatable. Shouldn't it be considered, especially considering the continuous editing on that specific line by TheUltimate3 and others?--[[Special:Contributions/50.89.109.110|50.89.109.110]] ([[User talk:50.89.109.110|talk]]) 13:38, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Theres also the fact that movies and filler episodes aren't canon to the manga storyline, the manga part for Road to Ninja was nothing more than a way to advertise the movie. Kishimoto stated that some elements from filler inspire him but nothing more. Also like I said before, when elements from the anime clash with the manga we go with the manga version instead. Kishimoto stated it was fun to make, but was still not canon! Also Kushina's words were this "Try not to fall for a weird one... try to find someone like your mother." And Minato was laughing/smiling in the next scene because it was humorous. Why? Because he knows that Kushina was a weird girl when she was younger. Can you honestly say that Kushina was a normal kid or teenager? I don't think so. You also need to realize that certain love/crush moments Naruto had for Sakura were flashbacks to way back to close to early middle of Shippuden. It is possible they changed. Give hard evidence and I'll accept it. Till then stop being a big baby and grow up.--[[User:Michma12|Michma12]] ([[User talk:Michma12|talk]]) 21:49, November 23, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | You see Ulti ( '-') this is why I said it. Relationship stuff are too intricate and always breeds stuff like this, that's why it should be suppressed and forgotten e_e lol. Any way, I can't have much of a say here because I haven't been monitoring this page. From that limited point of view I suppose filler stuff can be added to their sections granted that it doesn't conflict with manga information and is cited outright as anime info. Also, is it a case where filler information that could go on this article is available? or are you just arguing that Sakura is only only one with filler information? If so could you cite the information that could be added to whatever article here so it can be seen. One more thing, information from OVAs, movies and stuff like that, count as nothing as the information there isn't reflected in articles at all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:01, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Honestly I think you're both over thinking this. Certainly opinions on Sakura or Hinata in terms of their relationship with Naruto are going to be confused and jaded from fan perspectives, making writing a totally unbiased article about it difficult. Similarly so since we don't know what resolution Kishimoto is intending. I'm still pissed at the guy for Naruto running out on Hinata's confession, but that's just me. This however, is not the point. You're addressing only two characters on a list with over a dozen people on it. Bitch about shipping all you want, but this page is about Naruto's relationships with other important characters, not just his romantic ones, but his teachers, his parents, his friends, his rivals and even his enemies and since this isn't Fanfiction.net, I can assure you the romantic value of each one only bares mentioning in Sakura and Hinata's cases. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 23:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | I'm confused. Admittedly, I haven't checked this article in like 2 weeks, but from what I can remember, the only filler information in Sakura's section is the bit near the end where it is mentioned how, in the anime (stated explicity) tbat Naruto made it even more clear that he was in love with Sakura. For the other characters you mentioned, what fillers actually showed something noteworthy relationship-wise that wasn't said in the manga? We chronicle the information as presented to us, and maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling the the IP user that created this section has more a problem with the whole he loves Sakura bit than the fact that there is teensy bit of filler. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:47, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :I see Cerez. I will admit, you were right. I will however not admit defeat. /WavesSword |
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| − | :Now to the accusations! |
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| − | ::@50.89.109.110: I don't watch the anime. What I know of the anime is what people tell me. Some time ago, someone added that bit to the Sakura article, and it was removed because someone said "anime no count" and thus began a minor spat between Hinata and Sakura fans. I stepped in and said "I never made a criteria for this article." and restored the anime only info, making sure to label it as such. |
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| − | :::Skitts, I raise you that accusation and counter with episode 240 of Naruto: Shippuuden titled Kiba's Determination in which Kiba stated that he wanted to become a fool (like Naruto) there is other information. I was concerned about the neutrality, as the 240 example I stated, which was a later episode than 235, shouldn't have been too hard to remember, I found it odd, considering how "controversial" and heated these specific romance debates can be that it felt that despite the other information TheUltimate3 could have added as "anime only" info, he/she specifically chose to add the controversial parts. That is what I took issue with. Had he/she chose the Kiba filler info instead for example, I doubt he/she would have been so adamant to defend it and call it vandalism when removed. I say this specifically because the whole romance thing tends to be adamantly defended and I felt that his/her constant reediting of that specific thing despite Cerez's and others arguments, was unneeded if he/she wasn't biased towards it.[[Special:Contributions/50.89.109.110|50.89.109.110]] ([[User talk:50.89.109.110|talk]]) 15:58, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Hello, I'm new here, and I really like Naruto x Hinata. Although, I think it's kind of necessary to add information of the relationship between Naruto and Sakura in the Road to Ninja movie (once it's subbed over the internet), since the story plot was directed by Kishimoto, no? What do you guys think? --[[User:MsIsamisa|*MsIsamisa]] ([[User talk:MsIsamisa|talk]]) 14:09, December 31, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | I dunno, if ot was truly directed by Kishimoto, since he draw sketches about Fuu and Roshi, applying that they will be in the movie too, but in the end they weren't. Also, Kishimoto didn't confirmed it canon or took it into the timeline of the manga. He draw a special one shot, but Kubo did also for the fourth Bleach movie too, which also was "directed" by Kubo, yet didn't confrimed as canon or took into the timeline of the manga. But since people considering non-canon anime fillers as canon too, I think you can. {{Unsigned|Mangekyo22}} |
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| − | Since you've been given the go-ahead, you and others can now add anime content given that it's properly cited with "in the anime" and references. Also, just for the record, TheUltimate3 is a dude. It'll save you some writing time lol.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:03, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Actually movies are considered non-canon and are therefore irrelevant. Kishimoto stated the film to be a fun project nothing more and nothing less. Also theres little relationship between them than what has already been shown in the past. So no its not needed. {{Unsigned|Michma12}} |
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| − | Well then there you go, although I still recommended avoiding things not cited in the manga to avoid unnecessary debates. :D. And I'll remember that. Should the Kiba thing be added, or should I go about doing it? XD [[Special:Contributions/50.89.109.110|50.89.109.110]] ([[User talk:50.89.109.110|talk]]) 16:08, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Speaking of non-canon, as of right now, I believe the anime filler part in Sakura's section is totally irrelevant to the entire canonical flow. I propose that it should be removed. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 03:00, January 3, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | In response to your counter, I question why, when you saw that there was filler (which really was essentially said in the manga as well) you thought that it was bias. Anime instances are present in other articles as well and really, the only problem with adding them is when they contradict the manga/data book(s). As earlier discussions pointed out, this page is relatively new and still under construction and can be improved in various ways. The reason why removing that bit is considered vandalism is because it was stated in the anime (somehwat in the manga). Feel free to add relevant anime-filler instances that are noteworthy. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:59, May 6, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :Still waiting for the answer... [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 15:11, January 31, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | == Frog teacher, plus tenten and shino == |
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| − | + | By the way you might want to add his senjustu mentor, tenten and shino to his relationships page. Just a thought, but what do you think? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:46, January 17, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | :Not only that, also [[Inari]] and [[Tazuna]]. [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 23:43, January 17, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | i'm kinda not sure and i probadly doubt that. =.= |
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| − | [[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]]) 03:54, May 14, 2012 (UTC)kunoichi101[[User:Kunoichi101|Kunoichi101]] ([[User talk:Kunoichi101|talk]]) 03:54, May 14, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Okay, that I get, but then how about a mini relationships section in the character pages, just to help sort out their personality sections? Because it seems that they could use some offloading themselves, plus it make certain parts hard to keep track. How about it? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :I don't think Yamato is noteworthy and Guy as well. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 04:33, May 14, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :None of them have enough relations to have a different section/page.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 02:28, January 18, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | == Relationship with Mentors: Killer Bee == |
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| + | Just a thought, but shouldn't we also list Killer Bee under the Mentors Relationship section? He did say that he was now Naruto's teacher in Chapter 495 and even before that, Naruto asked him to teach him how to control the Bijuu in Chapter 492 --[[User:Littlemissdoodle|Littlemissdoodle]] ([[User talk:Littlemissdoodle|talk]]) 00:10, May 21, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :They don't really interact so there isn't anything worth mentioning. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 03:40, September 5, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | :Well he is more a mentor than Ebisu at the least. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 02:57, May 21, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | ::Indeed. Ebisu is more properly classified as an ally rather than a mentor since he only served to clarify and supervise Naruto's chakra control for a few hours tops See Chapter 90. Negligible, I'd say. Jiraiya even said that the method wasn't the smartest way to handle Naruto's insane amount of chakra in Chapter 92. Rather than a mentor, Ebisu is just a character to represent the people in Konoha, the way they regard Naruto and such. Going back to the sectioning of Killer Bee, perhaps the original intent is for Bee to be filed under the subsection on the Jinchuuriki & the Bijuu? But, well there was hardly any interaction between Naruto and the Ichibi(Shukaku) to begin with. Naruto's encounter with the Yonbi(Son Goku) was more significant in that respect. Maybe move Killer Bee up (Mentors), take Gaara out (Ally) and create a subsection on purely Bijuu?--[[User:Littlemissdoodle|Littlemissdoodle]] ([[User talk:Littlemissdoodle|talk]]) 07:53, May 21, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | == Major Complaint == |
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| − | --[[User:BrennanMulcahey|BrennanMulcahey]] ([[User talk:BrennanMulcahey|talk]]) 12:11, September 26, 2012 (UTC)([[User talk:BrennanMulcahey|user]]) Hi, I like to speak about the outright lies, missing information, and the overly bias nature of this page. While every one is entitled to their opinions, this site is not the forum for them. Narutopedia is an encyclopedia of all the events and knowlegde of the manga and anime of the Naruto series by Masashi Kishimoto! This means there should be only be truthful facts not opinions or false information posted here! There are plenty of websites for fans to debate their views, but not this one. Publishing deliberatly false information to convince other fans with opposing view points to stop reading or watching Naruto, is hurting Kishimoto, Shonen Jump, and Viz Media financialy with the decline in it's fan base. It also undermines confidence in the verification of the other postings on this site when people come across these fake posts. |
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| + | No links. Linking to scanlations is technically illegal. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:07, May 22, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | Attacking other fans because you disagree with what they want for certain romantic pairings like NarutoXsakura, SasukeXsakura, or NarutoXhinata is unacceptable. Again I state this site is not for personal opinions. If you are Omiting, Deleting, or just plain lying about events in the Naruto series to support your personal prefernce you will be expelled from this Wiki and your postings will be corrected or deleted. Please understand that unlike an American comic book company like DC or Marvel you can not influence or retcon events in a Japanese Manga. When a japanese writer publishes something it can not be influence like the death of Gwen Stacy mail in campaign or retconed the death of Jason Todd, so please stop trying to force a specafic outcome in the Naruto series. It will not work because japanese writers all ready have the ending planned before they start a manga. The only personal opinion that matters about what pairings will happen is Masashi Kishimoto's! |
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| + | :The tailed beast and jinchuuriki sections do seem like they should be removed. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 23:35, May 23, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | Why did the discussion discontinue? Kirabi definitely should be under mentors section, he is the second most important mentor to him skills-wise after Jiraiya.[[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 14:39, January 23, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | There has been no resolution to any of the teenaged characters crushes or infatuations in the series or any public announcements by Kishimoto or Viz Media to this effect either. Despite like a hunderd hints both ways and three botched love confessions later, we are basicly in the same position as chapter three from thirteen years ago. Blame Kishmoto for waiting to last few chapters to resolve this and the lack of character development that resulted from this decision. Kishimoto current timetable for the series finale of Naruto was sixteen months from July of 2012. Shonen Jump and Kishimoto still maintain a wall of silence on what couples will result in the series. Hinata loves Naruto, Naruto still loves Sakura, Sakura loves Sasuke, and Sasuke loves who knows(himself?). Nor have there been any change with any minor character like Tenten, Neiji, Ino, Rock Lee, Shikimaru, Temari, or even Karin. I am sorry but these are the current facts. While it is most likely to change in a year or so, please refrain from publishing posts stating outcomes because simply because you want it to happen! |
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| + | == Enemy section: Ten-tails? == |
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| − | I am sorry but I finialy come to the point were I comment directly on KazeKitsune's Naruto Uzumaki's Relationships page. While I generaly think this page is a good idea and most of what is in it is true. KazeKitsune has used this as a forum to promote her obession with the HinataXNaruto pairing with the ommision of certain facts, Bias statements, and Outright Lies mostly in the Sakura Haruno section! The first lie is Naruto is no longer in love with Sakura. Sorry NarutoXhinata fans, but both the most recent Naruto movie(the ninth,Road to Ninja) and Naruto Shippuden epsisode 235 has Naruto still in love with Sakura despite both botched love confessions. The second lie has Naruto Shippuden episode 235 stating that Naruto has given up on Sakura and only wants her to be happy(with Sasuke). What episode 235 actually says is "I have a girl I love named Sakura. Well actually, it's one-side on my part. Sakura is totally in love with a guy named Sasuke. She tries so hard, chasing after him and trying to win his love. When she's at it, her smile is the cutest thing. There's no explaining it. Before I realized it, I was in love with her. I would never try to force her to love me. I'd be no different from that guy just now if I did. So I made up my mind. In the same way that Sakura tries to win Sasuke over, I'm going to do my best to win Sakura over." Feel free to go to the Official Naruto Shippuden website and watch episode 235 on Hulu for free, if anyone doubts the truth of what I am saying. |
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| + | Is it possible to list the Ten-tails as an enemy of Naruto's? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 21:42, May 29, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | The Sakura section has too many personal opinions like Sakura will never love Naruto and has a serious shortage of facts compared to the Hinata section which also overly bias but I can not dispute any of it's facts. Please understand this has nothing to do with any actual pairings but Sakura Haruno is the second most used character in the Naruto universe. Sakura has four times the page and screen time as Hinata as well as appearing in all nine movies and O.V.A.s oppose to Hinata's three each. Look the character Bulma appears more often than Goku's wife Chi-Chi in the Dragonball series which inspired Kishimoto to create Naruto in first place. Maybe Sakura Haruno is only Naruto's "Winnie Cooper", maybe not. But these two character's relationship is a huge and integral part of the Naruto series . Masashi Kismoto has repeatly defended this in his interviews and it should be respected. The Naruto's parents section needs work as well. It skips over the controversly last words of Kushina, "try to find someone like your mother. |
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| ⚫ | :Naruto has no actual relationship with the Ten-Tails. Hell nothing does, it is a mass of pissed off evil that happens to be standing in front of him.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:50, May 29, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | Kazekitsune needs to either correct this page or it has to be deleted. If anyone would like to see a more accurate version either go the history icon in the top left corner and click it then click on the previous history with BrennanMulcahey to read a better version or put in a request for this page's deletetion. I have try repeatly to get Kazekitsune fix this met with little sucess and rude emails.--[[User:BrennanMulcahey|BrennanMulcahey]] ([[User talk:BrennanMulcahey|talk]]) 12:11, September 26, 2012 (UTC)BrennanMulcahey September 26, 8:11am 2012 |
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| + | I have a feeling that this thing had indirect cause naruto suffering, as well as Madara? What do you think? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 17:24, October 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :You're first mistake was saying this waws KazeKitsune's page. It is actually ''mine''. (How exactly can one person "own" a page? Well, I can't. But it was my personal project and I am quite fond of it.) Now the other thing, this page is not ment to be a shipping article, that was one of the major things I was and still am against. If you see it being used as such, you have the ability to change it. Making a seven paragraph comment in the Talk Page really just makes people's eyes glaze over and willing ignore whatever it is you are trying to say. |
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| + | :Would it been okay to call obito Naruto's mortal enemy? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:05, October 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | ::@Ultimite3, my remarks were directed at Kazekitsune based on her constantly deleting my corrections and her rather unpleasent emails. So you might want to ask her why seems to think this page is her personal property. I write long because I think in Paragraphs. I also read everything before I respond. I use my real name because I stand behind what I post and I belive that anonymous encourage fake or rude postings. Since you didn't respond to any of my actual statements, so I will ask again. Please reread my first post for reference. Anime filler NS episode 235 says the exact oppisite of what is publish in the relationship page. That there nothing officialy from Kishimoto, Shonen Jump, or Viz Media stating that Naruto is no longer in love with Sakura Haruno. While I think this page is good idea in theory but these Lies are going to get this page, you are so fond of will be deleted. There is also the matter of the rest of the bias and lack of infomation in the Sakura section. --[[Special:Contributions/98.179.191.24|98.179.191.24]] ([[User talk:98.179.191.24|talk]]) 15:40, September 26, 2012 (UTC)([[User talk:BrennanMulcahey|talk]]) |
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| − | + | ::No. Until the start of this battle, Tobi saw Naruto as ''nothing'' but a tool to piss off Sasuke for reasons only he knows. He gets a section in this article because they have had interactions before and during the battle but for the most part Tobi is merely the major villain of the arc who is talking a lot to the main character.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:53, October 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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| + | If the latest chapters are any indication (not that there ever was to the contrary) Naruto still loves Sakura. I'll do some editing but first I want to get it out of the way that A) I am not at all interested in the shipping war and B) it's not the purpose of a wikipedia to judge based on opinion but on facts. The facts are Naruto has feelings for Sakura. There is nothing to suggest the contrary. Therefore the past tense in which Naruto's feelings for Sakura are referred to are incorrect. Does anyone here have anything to add? And please spare me when it comes to the shipping wars, I don't care, Kishimoto probably doesn't care, so let's just do right by the purpose of this wiki page. Thank you.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:04, May 29, 2013 (UTC)Reliops |
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| − | Ps: The comment that Kushina made about trying to find someone who isn't weird and instead find someone who's like your mother was an obvious joke. Facts and comments on Kushina being a very odd, "weird" individual in the manga before and after her appearance support it and the way it was shown and context prove that it was an attempt at humour. |
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| + | It's been noted several times Naruto loves her. That's he has feelings for her has been evident and established since day one. That he no longer has those feelings isn't. My bad on the past tense part. I haven't updated anything yet though. Thanks for the quick response.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 23:26, May 29, 2013 (UTC)Reliops |
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| − | --[[User:Michma12|Michma12]] ([[User talk:Michma12|talk]]) 17:35, September 26, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | I was wondering if somebody could put a photo of Kakashi. I think the perfect pic would be when Kakashi states to Obito that he would protect Naruto [[Special:Contributions/24.192.86.86|24.192.86.86]] ([[User talk:24.192.86.86|talk]]) 11:07, June 4, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :Personally, they can suck it if they don't want filler info in the article, e'ery that happens everything we're given goes into this article :P. Nice and fair. If it happened and can be cited, in the article it goes.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:58, September 26, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | :: Don't look at me. It's the higher ups who do it. Saying that it's unimportant, and in some cases it is, in others it's not. |
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| + | Should we add a paragraph about Naruto's realtionship with Utakata, despite it being in an anime-only arc? Because I think that it's a good example of the relationships Naruto has with other jinchūriki.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 20:07, August 8, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :::::The above said, and I admit I have been slacking what with working during the summer and school work now, is that opinions on what may or may not have happened should have never been or will be added to section. It was one of the guidelines that let the article stay when I first made it in the attempt to shorten Naruto's massive Personality section.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:05, September 26, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Someone should really add his relationships with Madara, Hashirama and Tobirama. {{unsigned|Hunter4522}} |
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| − | Obito never gave into lust for power and recognition. Someone should change that. {{unsigned|68.6.176.66}} |
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| ⚫ | :He doesn't really have a relationship with either of them to be honest. They all just kinda showed up and he was fighting with or against them. In terms of relationships though, they are basically strangers.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:24, November 15, 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | [[Media:Two Suns.png]] Can we change the picture in the Parent section to this? --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 15:56, October 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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| + | Is it possible to add Mizuki to the enemies relations section, due to the fact that while he was only trying to use naruto as a scapegoat, it was also thanks to his actions that Naruto is ablre to become a ninja and be acknowledge by Iruka and eventually the rest of the village. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 02:44, January 23, 2014 (UTC) |
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| − | ::The page has been protected form editing, it's better to add the anime image for the parents and re-protect the page again. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:01, October 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Why is Sasuke's relationship so small. Hinata has so much less screen time and yet her is much larger. The same for Sakura. You guys are breezing through his most important relationships. I can not fix it, but can someone. [[User:NarutoRevival|NarutoRevival]] ([[User talk:NarutoRevival|talk]]) 03:02, October 20, 2012 (UTC)NarutoRevival |
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| + | I was checking the quotes and I think we should do a revision of them. Some of them are a kinda outdated (e.g.: Sakura's) meanwhile others are too large (e.g.: Hinata's or Shikamaru's ones). Besides, we should try to add a quote for the characters that haven't any one. [[User:Adept-eX|Adept-eX]] ([[User talk:Adept-eX|talk]]) 20:19, January 24, 2014 (UTC) |
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"Shipping" Page
I see Ultimite3 still hasn't change this "shipping page" or allow anyone else to post a more neutral position. Since no one willing to talk about the Elephant in the room I will, This is nothing but a Shipping page in disgiuse! There is no clear evidence on what character Kishimoto is going to pair off to another character in the series. Heck, Kishimoto still has Karin in love with Sasuke even after he trie to kill her. Both the Sakura and Hinata subsections need to be rewritten, the Sakura section more than the Hinata one. Statements like "Naruto "had" a long standing crush" and "never going to happen" are unsupported by any actual facts. The synopsis for Naruto Shippuden episode 235 in the Sakura section is a complete fraud. It is not a debate on wether or not anime is canon but the fact that it's statement that Naruto no longer loves Sakura and only wants her to be happy with Sasuke is a Lie! The following is an actual exerpt from that Episode.
"Naruto" I mean, I don't know anything about marriage and stuff, but don't you have to love someone and be attracted to each other? "Shizuki" That's "Naruto" I have a girl I love named Sakura. Well actually, its one-sided on my part. Sakura is totally in love a guy named Sasuke. She tries so hard, chasing after him and trying to win his love. When she's at it, her smile is the cutest thing. There no explaining it. Before I realizes it, I was in love with her. I would never try to force her to love me. I'd be no different that guy just now if I did. So I made up my mind. In the same way that Sakura tries so hard to win Sasuke over, I'm going to do my best to win Sakura over.
Does this sound like Naruto just wants to be friends with Sakura? Nope, it does not. To address the comments by Michma12, Kishimoto's comments in the interview on Road to Ninja refer to the Mirrorverse version of Naruto characters not about the plot or any Naruto/Sakura moments. The ninth Naruto "Road to Ninja" movie does count as canon for the following reasons, The tie-in anime episode Road to Sakura. Both Naruto anime series are an expansion of canon not against it, at least in this anime series. There is also the special Zero issue of the actual manga that is a prequel to the movie. Thus making it's content's like Naruto still in love with Sakura canon. Also the controversy about Kushina's last words was about the fact there are three different versions of the second to last line of her last words. In the American manga release it states "don't fall for the first girl that comes your way" meaning pro-Hinata but in the actual Manga version it states a "weird one" instead, meaning pro-Sakura and the anime version simply states "a bad one" which is neutral. In Japanesse bad is Warui, weird is Kikai, and first is Saisho Hajime or Ichiban. Since the American version is highly rewritten by Viz Media the US version is very much in doubt given it's polciy of changing what is original written by Kishimoto. It was also pointed out to you, Michma12 on your talkpage months before by some else. Please don't try to pass off your personal opinions as facts.
Masashi Kishimoto really needs to settle the pairing debate soon. Zombie armies and giant monster brawels are all good but the whole Sasuke/Sakura/Naruto/Hinata love quadrangle and all it's branches has to resolved before the arguements between fans make fandom anymore toxic, It's driving all freaking nuts! --BrennanMulcahey (talk) 09:53, November 23, 2012 (UTC)User:BrennanMulcahey
BrennanMulcahey, you truly are an idiot aren't you? Did you know that there are two versions of that anime episode? One with what you said happened and another where the words say that he knows it's one sided but is happy so long as she's happy. However, one was taken down do to controversial reasons. If Naruto didn't say these words in the manga, they aren't canon. As much as you want it to be, bitch and moan as loud as you can, it isn't canon. Naruto has shown deep feelings for Sakura, yes I'll agree, but to what extent hasn't been fully elaborated or confirmed. In Sai's opinion he thinks Naruto is in love with Sakura, but realizes it may not be to the extent he thought it was. But that means squat when the girl doesn't have the same feelings for him and is in love with a guy she'll most likely still be in love with even if he's dead, an example being Tsunade and Dan.
Though I will agree that the Sakura and Hinata things should be revised later on. However, despite Hinata's lack of screen time, several of those moments, unlike Sakura, portrays about their relationship. That isn't to say that Sakura's relationship isn't important either, just that certain moments are repetition and whatnot, and are later seen as irrelevant when new occurrences occur that contradict those moments. Same with Hinata.
Theres also the fact that movies and filler episodes aren't canon to the manga storyline, the manga part for Road to Ninja was nothing more than a way to advertise the movie. Kishimoto stated that some elements from filler inspire him but nothing more. Also like I said before, when elements from the anime clash with the manga we go with the manga version instead. Kishimoto stated it was fun to make, but was still not canon! Also Kushina's words were this "Try not to fall for a weird one... try to find someone like your mother." And Minato was laughing/smiling in the next scene because it was humorous. Why? Because he knows that Kushina was a weird girl when she was younger. Can you honestly say that Kushina was a normal kid or teenager? I don't think so. You also need to realize that certain love/crush moments Naruto had for Sakura were flashbacks to way back to close to early middle of Shippuden. It is possible they changed. Give hard evidence and I'll accept it. Till then stop being a big baby and grow up.--Michma12 (talk) 21:49, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Honestly I think you're both over thinking this. Certainly opinions on Sakura or Hinata in terms of their relationship with Naruto are going to be confused and jaded from fan perspectives, making writing a totally unbiased article about it difficult. Similarly so since we don't know what resolution Kishimoto is intending. I'm still pissed at the guy for Naruto running out on Hinata's confession, but that's just me. This however, is not the point. You're addressing only two characters on a list with over a dozen people on it. Bitch about shipping all you want, but this page is about Naruto's relationships with other important characters, not just his romantic ones, but his teachers, his parents, his friends, his rivals and even his enemies and since this isn't Fanfiction.net, I can assure you the romantic value of each one only bares mentioning in Sakura and Hinata's cases. --Hawkeye2701 (talk) 23:24, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
Adding info. on Sakura's Haruno part from movie: Road to Ninja
Hello, I'm new here, and I really like Naruto x Hinata. Although, I think it's kind of necessary to add information of the relationship between Naruto and Sakura in the Road to Ninja movie (once it's subbed over the internet), since the story plot was directed by Kishimoto, no? What do you guys think? --*MsIsamisa (talk) 14:09, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
I dunno, if ot was truly directed by Kishimoto, since he draw sketches about Fuu and Roshi, applying that they will be in the movie too, but in the end they weren't. Also, Kishimoto didn't confirmed it canon or took it into the timeline of the manga. He draw a special one shot, but Kubo did also for the fourth Bleach movie too, which also was "directed" by Kubo, yet didn't confrimed as canon or took into the timeline of the manga. But since people considering non-canon anime fillers as canon too, I think you can. —This unsigned comment was made by Mangekyo22 (talk • contribs) .
Actually movies are considered non-canon and are therefore irrelevant. Kishimoto stated the film to be a fun project nothing more and nothing less. Also theres little relationship between them than what has already been shown in the past. So no its not needed. —This unsigned comment was made by Michma12 (talk • contribs) .
Speaking of non-canon, as of right now, I believe the anime filler part in Sakura's section is totally irrelevant to the entire canonical flow. I propose that it should be removed. KazeKitsune (talk) 03:00, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
- Still waiting for the answer... KazeKitsune (talk) 15:11, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
Frog teacher, plus tenten and shino
By the way you might want to add his senjustu mentor, tenten and shino to his relationships page. Just a thought, but what do you think? Justin Holland (talk) 21:46, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
- Not only that, also Inari and Tazuna. KazeKitsune (talk) 23:43, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
Relationships pages for main and supporting characters?
Reply: Okay, that I get, but then how about a mini relationships section in the character pages, just to help sort out their personality sections? Because it seems that they could use some offloading themselves, plus it make certain parts hard to keep track. How about it? Justin Holland (talk) 21:49, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
- None of them have enough relations to have a different section/page.~ UltimateSupreme 02:28, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
quotes
Maybe we can add some quotes in order to further explain the characters feelings towards Naruto? Justin Holland (talk) 05:34, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
Relationship with Mentors: Killer Bee
Just a thought, but shouldn't we also list Killer Bee under the Mentors Relationship section? He did say that he was now Naruto's teacher in Chapter 495 and even before that, Naruto asked him to teach him how to control the Bijuu in Chapter 492 --Littlemissdoodle (talk) 00:10, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Well he is more a mentor than Ebisu at the least. — SimAnt 02:57, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed. Ebisu is more properly classified as an ally rather than a mentor since he only served to clarify and supervise Naruto's chakra control for a few hours tops See Chapter 90. Negligible, I'd say. Jiraiya even said that the method wasn't the smartest way to handle Naruto's insane amount of chakra in Chapter 92. Rather than a mentor, Ebisu is just a character to represent the people in Konoha, the way they regard Naruto and such. Going back to the sectioning of Killer Bee, perhaps the original intent is for Bee to be filed under the subsection on the Jinchuuriki & the Bijuu? But, well there was hardly any interaction between Naruto and the Ichibi(Shukaku) to begin with. Naruto's encounter with the Yonbi(Son Goku) was more significant in that respect. Maybe move Killer Bee up (Mentors), take Gaara out (Ally) and create a subsection on purely Bijuu?--Littlemissdoodle (talk) 07:53, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
No links. Linking to scanlations is technically illegal. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:07, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
- The tailed beast and jinchuuriki sections do seem like they should be removed. — SimAnt 23:35, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
Why did the discussion discontinue? Kirabi definitely should be under mentors section, he is the second most important mentor to him skills-wise after Jiraiya.Faust-RSI (talk) 14:39, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
Enemy section: Ten-tails?
Is it possible to list the Ten-tails as an enemy of Naruto's? Justin Holland (talk) 21:42, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Naruto has no actual relationship with the Ten-Tails. Hell nothing does, it is a mass of pissed off evil that happens to be standing in front of him.--TheUltimate3
(talk) 21:50, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
I have a feeling that this thing had indirect cause naruto suffering, as well as Madara? What do you think? Justin Holland (talk) 17:24, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, and you also think that it's Kumogakure's fault Naruto's parents had coitus. Again, he has no relationship with them, hence they're not mentioned in the article. This isn't about people Naruto have met, it's people he's built some kind of relationship with be it good or bad.--Cerez365™
(talk) 17:31, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
- Would it been okay to call obito Naruto's mortal enemy? Justin Holland (talk) 19:05, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
- No. Until the start of this battle, Tobi saw Naruto as nothing but a tool to piss off Sasuke for reasons only he knows. He gets a section in this article because they have had interactions before and during the battle but for the most part Tobi is merely the major villain of the arc who is talking a lot to the main character.--TheUltimate3
(talk) 21:53, October 4, 2013 (UTC)
- No. Until the start of this battle, Tobi saw Naruto as nothing but a tool to piss off Sasuke for reasons only he knows. He gets a section in this article because they have had interactions before and during the battle but for the most part Tobi is merely the major villain of the arc who is talking a lot to the main character.--TheUltimate3
Sakura
If the latest chapters are any indication (not that there ever was to the contrary) Naruto still loves Sakura. I'll do some editing but first I want to get it out of the way that A) I am not at all interested in the shipping war and B) it's not the purpose of a wikipedia to judge based on opinion but on facts. The facts are Naruto has feelings for Sakura. There is nothing to suggest the contrary. Therefore the past tense in which Naruto's feelings for Sakura are referred to are incorrect. Does anyone here have anything to add? And please spare me when it comes to the shipping wars, I don't care, Kishimoto probably doesn't care, so let's just do right by the purpose of this wiki page. Thank you.--Reliops (talk) 23:04, May 29, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
- There was nothing that suggested he does either. Beyond that, everything is supposed to be in past tense. Everything.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 23:10, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
It's been noted several times Naruto loves her. That's he has feelings for her has been evident and established since day one. That he no longer has those feelings isn't. My bad on the past tense part. I haven't updated anything yet though. Thanks for the quick response.--Reliops (talk) 23:26, May 29, 2013 (UTC)Reliops
I was wondering if somebody could put a photo of Kakashi. I think the perfect pic would be when Kakashi states to Obito that he would protect Naruto 24.192.86.86 (talk) 11:07, June 4, 2013 (UTC)
Utakata?
Should we add a paragraph about Naruto's realtionship with Utakata, despite it being in an anime-only arc? Because I think that it's a good example of the relationships Naruto has with other jinchūriki.--JOA20 (talk) 20:07, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
More characters
Someone should really add his relationships with Madara, Hashirama and Tobirama. —This unsigned comment was made by Hunter4522 (talk • contribs) .
- He doesn't really have a relationship with either of them to be honest. They all just kinda showed up and he was fighting with or against them. In terms of relationships though, they are basically strangers.--TheUltimate3 (talk) 16:24, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
Mizuki?
Is it possible to add Mizuki to the enemies relations section, due to the fact that while he was only trying to use naruto as a scapegoat, it was also thanks to his actions that Naruto is ablre to become a ninja and be acknowledge by Iruka and eventually the rest of the village. Justin Holland (talk) 02:44, January 23, 2014 (UTC)
Quotes
I was checking the quotes and I think we should do a revision of them. Some of them are a kinda outdated (e.g.: Sakura's) meanwhile others are too large (e.g.: Hinata's or Shikamaru's ones). Besides, we should try to add a quote for the characters that haven't any one. Adept-eX (talk) 20:19, January 24, 2014 (UTC)