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== additions? ==
== Continuation of "biasedness" ==
 
 
Maybe add Asuma, along with the frogs to the mix as well? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 03:35, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
:it showed everyone's panel before hers, hers was only placed last, look at chapter 677 pages 10 - 14, hers is only placed last, then they show Naruto with "!!" trying to rush out. He never mentions it was Hinata and Naruto IS NOT TELEPATHIC, he sensed everyone in danger, that is why they showed everyone before her, and then hers last. It's common SENSE, and you all seem to forget that all Hinata says is "Naruto-kun" of course she'd say it here, and for your information, Naruto sensed it with his senjutsu (it was activated) so please. You’re giving Hinata way too much credit when Naruto’s bond with her isn’t even that deep in comparison to people like Shikamaru, Gaara, and Tsunade who also got caught in the genjutsu. Why are their relationship stuff even shorter than hers? smt and you're forgetting that the same time she was being tied up, everyone else was also.
 
 
:The page is called "Naruto's relationships", not "everybody Naruto has ever spoken to". The article should remove several of these sections, not add more. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:23, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
:Im not being biased, im just trying to post more important things between him and Sakura's, give me ONE relationship where it is as progressed as theirs that's gone from part 1 to part 2 with so much changes? that's why I put that there, and it's stated in chapter 43, page 14...tell me who supports his dream before this chapter? and Im not talking about Hinata's made-up filler past in the pein arc, Hinata first appears in the chunin exams along with the other rookies, so technically, Sakura really is the first to support his dreams, that's important, and the first to verbally encourage him and believe in him, when everyone doubted him at the chunin exams against Kiba, even Hinata did, and out of the rookie 9, she is the first to know about the 9 tails, proof in chapter 261, and she even wants to remove it from him.
 
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::If i had to pick, i would say at least get rid of Temari/Kankurō, Shizune and the new generation. Maybe Ebisu? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 17:36, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
:I re-did the whole Sakura saving his life cause you left out a few things...you said she was forced to, which she wasn't..you put something about not letting her friend die, when in the manga, she says she wont let him die and that his dream is right in front of them..there's also the part after all that where she doesn't trust Obito with Naruto...that's important too..then there's a part way back where Sakura finds out about jinchurikis and what happens to them after extracted and she goes on to ask how to remove a biju, which shows she wanted to remove it from him..and then the part where she selflessly runs to Naruto to try and bring him back to his senses by wanting to get Sasuke back herself if it meant he wouldn't become the monster he was becoming, and then he hits her, and the impact that has on him after being told that he did that unconsciously..
 
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:::My suggestion would be to not add anymore but not get rid of anything either.[[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 17:40, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
:You guys even skipped out on why Naruto tried so hard in part 1 to save Sakura from gaara -facepalm-
 
 
::::Don't agree, nothing more should be add, but useless sections should just be removed. They don't improve the wiki. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:41, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
:Those are all important information..
 
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:::::Well if i had to get rid of something it would be either Hanabi or Roshi and Son Goku. [[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 17:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
:I even put things like them two having an understanding of each other because no one knows the other better than they know each other, that's how progressed their relationship is and I added the whole Obito thing to show how driven Sakura is to help Naruto, and the thing with Naruto cheering her up after what Sasuke had said, cause it showed that Naruto agreeing with Sasuke affected her more and it was a scene where she thanked him
 
:Yamato's words were "It's not what you do for Naruto that's important...it's how strongly you feel about him that counts...Sakura...I can tell just by looking at you....the truth is, you - " its obvious she cares about him, but why have him cut off if thats all he was going to say?
 
:anyways, this really isn't supposed to be a shipping site, so who knows what he meant, im just trying to say be fair. and also, why is it on Sasuke's section, you guys put only Sasuke was the one to save Sakura from the ten tail clone? Naruto did too you know
 
:And why did you guys add a filler moment with Ino almost falling for him there? does filler really count in his relationships? unless it's on another character's page?
 
:anyways, like I said before, Im not trying to be biased, this was brought to my attention, that some NH/SS fans were putting biased things on this website and i went to check it out and noticed that you were. At the end of the day, it's called "Naruto" and this is an information site about everything Naruto related, not pairing wars. --[[User:Momochanx3|Momochanx3]] ([[User talk:Momochanx3|talk]]) 18:48, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
 
::For someone who's 'unbiased', you sure do have a preference towards Naruto and Sakura's relationship. In fact, I checked your edits, and almost all support that trend. A piece of advice for you: if you wanna preach about who's biased and who's not, at least try not to be blatantly so yourself... oh, and this is a talk page, not a rant page. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 00:40, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::Atrix, though I agree Momochan is a bit biased, '''I don't think he was ranting'''. He was countering my argument, or possibly the wiki's.
 
:::Momochan, if all those are true (and thank you for providing sources) then I agree with you that they should be added to Sakura's part of the page.
 
:::But, I still disagree with you on some points: Iruka/jiraiya and Hinata (I am very, very sure Kishimoto intended for her to be one of the first of Naruto's followers, ''ALONG WITH Sakura'') I think were the first to support his dream, and Sakura grew to follow it as well.
 
:::I continue to disagree with you about the "telepathy" thing you addressed early in your argument. Though you ''may be correct'', there is no proof that he was reacting to the entire alliance instead of only Hinata.
 
:::Finally, I said early in this argument that you tend to be a bit biased. I'm sorry if I'm being rude, but that's the reality.
 
:::I suggest we get an administrator/sysop/whatever of the wiki to include the facts that are verified as non-speculation/bias to the Sakura part of the page.
 
:::If they are true, then they will be added (hopefully. I don't want to give any guarantees.).
 
:::I'll support you if you try to be unbiased and if you stop with the "telepathy" and who-was-the-first-follower-of-Naruto stuff, and if you agree not to delete anything from Hinata's part of the page.
 
:::I would very much appreciate if we came to a mutual agreement.
 
:::Yours Truly, --[[User:Plane in the Desert|Plane in the Desert]] ([[User talk:Plane in the Desert|talk]]) 01:10, August 26, 2014 (UTC)Plane in the Desert
 
::::Oh right. This was a thing. Fantastic.
 
::::To start, 4k bytes was ''never'' going to stay on this page. Partially because that's a friggin lot. Partially because a lot of what's there practically meaningless. There is absolutely no reason to add super detailed of every interaction between the two of them, because for one, it will make things quite friggin big. On the other, a lot of those can very easily be summed up with a sentence. "Over the course of Part II the two had grown very close." or something like that gets the point across just as much as going into such a minor detail as her healing his arm and feeding him.
 
::::If anything the fact that in your 4k edit you removed a picture of Hinata (then proceeded to make Sakura dominate the page) will obviously make people question your stance of nonbiasedness. But I look at it differently and notice that while you made Sakura's relationship dominate the page, the the one relationship he had that truly dominated the series was left untouched; Sasuke Uchiha.
 
::::That said, the telepathy thing I was certain wasn't supposed to be added to the article and will be removed.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:53, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
 
:Alright, I admit, I'm a NaruSaku fan -shrug-, and people were telling me that after a certain episode came out, the wiki got biased so I went to see, and of course I would check Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke and Hinata's and boy oh boy
 
:You're saying the whole Hinata thing was Naruto hearing her? let me ask you a question...when pein attacked the village right?..and Sakura called out for Naruto to come back to the village...did he hear her too? or did he sense it all happening with his senjutsu and appeared? I didn't know he was telepathic :o -facepalm- Naruto's not a yamanaka or has some spiritual connection to Hinata. He didn't even know what was happening the next chapter, and he never said he heard someone in danger or anything. When he is told what was going on he says "then everyone is" not "then Hinata is" why? cause he sensed it, he sensed people in danger.
 
:I didn't even know what to add in Sasuke's part, but on his page, I made it similar to what you put for Naruto trying to save Sakura from the ten tailed clone, because he wasn't the only one, and you guys know that.
 
:And really? Sakura follows? when IN THE MANGA (and not the anime) she actually is the first of the rookie 9 to support his dream of becoming Hokage. like I said, lol, Hinata appears in the chunin exams, we dont see her before that time, so please.
 
:Im not even not gonna stop cause its the truth and common sense. the rest of the rookie 9 follows, the only not to yet is Sasuke..
 
:I'm not even being biased, im being fair, why does Hinata have more things than actual important side characters like Shikamaru? Tsunade? Gaara? because she "loves" him? She has every single moment of those two up, yet you're not biased right? aha
 
:So putting things like how progressed their relationship is is biased too? but it is the most progressed...does that bother you guys? it's the truth. [[User:Momochanx3|Momochanx3]] ([[User talk:Momochanx3|talk]]) 14:05, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 
::"why does Hinata have more things than actual important side characters like Shikamaru?" Wow, the fact that you think you're not biased is... just incredible. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 14:22, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::This discussion stops now. It is leading us nowhere and, quite frankly, none of this helps to improve the wiki at all. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:19, August 29, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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Per SnapperTwo. Seriously, all of these extraneous sections are part of the reason why relationship pages for other characters is a terrible idea. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:35, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
== Hagoromo ==
 
   
 
::extraneous? I do argee thsi page is for people he has close ties to, and impacts on, yeah I forgot where I was going with this? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 19:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
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:::Some of us are pushing the boundaries of character interactions here. Naruto had like zero contact with Hanabi throughout the whole series (except maybe ''The Last'' where Hanabi called Naruto "Brother Naruto", but I'm pretty sure meant Hinata), and the new generation seems pretty rushed considering the new manga chapter was released last week. I'd get rid of these two, and change the "parents" and "children" sections back to where they were. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] ([[User talk:SSJ2AJB|talk]]) 19:53, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Though they've known each other for other a few minutes, is Hagoromo worth a section or mention on this page?--[[User:Hockey Machete|Hockey Machete]] ([[User talk:Hockey Machete|talk]]) 04:52, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 
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::::Well, that was quite the cleanup, Snapper. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 18:43, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::There were a bit too many people removed. Some leaf ninja could have been kept. [[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 18:47, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
   
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I anticipated that you and [[User:SuperSaiyaMan|another user]] would have an issue with the clean up. But again, this is a "Naruto's Relationships" page, not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to. There was too much to begin with. And I'm pretty sure we agreed on this talkpage that a removal of extraneous sections was needed, no? It was utterly unnecessary to add everything back when other users on the talkpage agreed that sections needed to be removed. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 18:53, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
== Sasuke-Friend ==
 
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::Well, it would not have hurt to keep a few people like Ino, or Orochimaru.[[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 18:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
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:::Question:
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:::*What significant relationship (key word: ''relationship'', not encounter) does Naruto have with Ino or Orochimaru that has spanned across the entirety of the manga or has had a major impact on Naruto's life, behavior, way of thinking and vice versa?
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:::Again, this is not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to, nor should we document an encounter Naruto has had with every minor character on this page. (And I also anticipate some edit warring after this...) You're going to have to provide more legitimate reasons to keep certain characters other than "They should be kept there."
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:::I don't mind some characters being added back, but there has to be some legitimacy in doing so. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:12, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Very well. I'll try to come up with a legit reason, but how is Naruto's relationship with Kabuto more significant than his one with Orochimaru? And no i will try not to start an edit war.[[User:Anchorman34|Anchorman34]] ([[User talk:Anchorman34|talk]]) 19:19, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
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:::::Naruto developed his Rasengan, a signature move, for the first time against Kabuto, not to mention the repeated encounters he's had with Kabuto from the beginning of the series to Part II. And also, Naruto had a profound impact on Kabuto modifying his body, per stated in the article. That is how Naruto impacted Kabuto's behavior, decisions, way of thinking, etc. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:My criteria for inclusion were twofold:
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:#'''Characters that have had an impact on Naruto''' - This seems logical enough.
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:#'''Characters that Naruto has had an impact on''' - This article originally grew out of the desire to better-document Naruto's "power" to change people. Obviously the article's moved very far away from that, but it's still a common theme for a number of these characters; Gaara, Neji, Obito, etc. It's for that reason that I left Kabuto, since Kabuto credits Naruto for some of his life decisions.
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:Whether or not the second criterion is worthwhile is up to other people. However, since it's actually commented on in the series, it should be documented ''somewhere'', and for some reason Naruto's actual article doesn't. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:40, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::Thing is, many people tend to misinterpret that criteria. For instance, just because Naruto fought with Orochimaru, Madara, Kaguya, Black Zetsu does not mean they all have an individual relationship with Naruto (it's just an encounter, note it in Naruto's article or something), nor does it mean that they've impacted each other's decision-making towards life and such.
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::And yeah, Kabuto actually accredited Naruto as the one that influenced his decisions and actions. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:50, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::So what about characters that Naruto didn't influence but he was influenced by? Like Yamato was the whole reason Naruto stopped relying on the Nine-tails power and wasn't Orochimaru a big part of why Naruto began training for 3 years? --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 00:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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::::From exclusively that standpoint, the Yamato situation is, again, just an encounter. It was temporal, with no long-lasting impact, as Naruto eventually continued to use Kurama's power after that (I'm not against Yamato being added at all, but there has to be some more legitimacy). Also, Orochimaru was not the primary reason Naruto began training for that time. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 06:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
== Quotes ==
Should we move Sasuke to the friend section due to Chpter 698? Seeing as how Obito was moved, I don't see a reason why not
 
[[User:Jtw2014|Jtw2014]] ([[User talk:Jtw2014|talk]]) 22:15, October 29, 2014 (UTC)Jtw2014
 
:Obito was moved to the "Others" section. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:17, October 29, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
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I know it's a little late but just asking why were the quotes removed? they define the character's personality, they were valid, I know everything can be explained in paragraphs, but still the page looked good with them. So just wondering.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 13:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
== Enemies ==
 
   
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:If I had to hazard a guess, they provided very little to the page and just increased the page length. If you feel otherwise you're more than welcome to re-add them and we'll see how that goes.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:25, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Once again, why don't we have the like of Madara, Zetsu and Kaguya in the enemies since it was their plan that has a huge affect on his life. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 23:10, October 30, 2014 (UTC)
 
:You haven't responded to my message on your wall so I'm tracking you so you get my message. It's something that could save you one day.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 06:21, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Thank you, agreed some were redundant but I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 14:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
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:::They did indeed provide very little to the page. If one wants to see the quotes so badly, then one can go read the manga or watch the anime. The page is supposed to describe Naruto's ''relationships'' with people he considers close to him, and mere quotes don't achieve that purpose. All they do is cover what every person says about him.
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:::You are right though, quotes do define a character's personality, hence why they're valid in character articles, but at the end of them and not throughout, as we don't need dialogue throughout the article when one can still read the manga or watch the anime. But that's just my two cents. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 15:20, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Fair point, the article already has everything, I was about to add quotes to show how those character had impact on Naruto's personality, and why they are unique to his relationship, only a few unique characters like Iruka, Kakashi, & Itachi's quotes, but there are so many, I guess I was being selective.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 16:43, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
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==Utakata==
== Family headline ==
 
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It may have been filler, but Narutos relationship with Utakata was pretty significant in the anime and had some significance in the Jinchuriki Six Paths battle.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 02:14, July 12, 2015 (UTC)
 
Can we add the 'Family' headline that contains his parents, Hinata, and his son and daughter? [[User:KazeKitsune|KazeKitsune]] ([[User talk:KazeKitsune|talk]]) 16:24, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
:Looks like wish granted. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 20:35, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
::Maybe add Hanabi, depending on "The Last" movie? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 04:18, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
 
== Relationship page for all? ==
 
I know we might have already talked about and decided against this, but with the series coming to somewhat of an end, and a great amount of ships sunken, maybe it's time we tried to give all the characters, major ones and minor major ones at least, a relationship page like Naruto's, maybe? [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 00:46, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
:I'd argue against it. The only reason Naruto has one at all is because the original draft of this article was all stuffed into his Personality section. Making a relationship page for each character seems unnecessary, especially since all the other characters only really interact with 1 or 2 other characters, as opposed to Naruto's every damn body.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:05, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
::Maybe. Just a thought. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 01:10, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::I would argue this page is already being too free with the word "relationship". No reason to reproduce the problem for other characters. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:04, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::Hmm…maybe not for ''every'' character. I'd go for a section in the character's own article, under the "Personality" one, and if it gets too long we could go for an actual page. But to be honest, I fail to see many characters getting a relationships page, besides Naruto (which we already have), Sasuke and a very few others.--[[File:Nature Icon Blood.svg|15px|link=Special:Contributions/JOA20]][[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 09:24, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
:::::No, we're not making a page like this for every other character. Naruto is an exception because his page is the longest on the wiki. Just no. Hell no. Jesus christ no. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 12:53, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
::::::I normally even don't participate in conversations unless I feel need to, but I also agree with everyone else. No. 100% no.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:09, December 6, 2014 (UTC)
 

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Maybe add Asuma, along with the frogs to the mix as well? Justin Holland (talk) 03:35, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

The page is called "Naruto's relationships", not "everybody Naruto has ever spoken to". The article should remove several of these sections, not add more. ~SnapperTo 17:23, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
If i had to pick, i would say at least get rid of Temari/Kankurō, Shizune and the new generation. Maybe Ebisu? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 17:36, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to not add anymore but not get rid of anything either.Anchorman34 (talk) 17:40, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Don't agree, nothing more should be add, but useless sections should just be removed. They don't improve the wiki. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 17:41, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Well if i had to get rid of something it would be either Hanabi or Roshi and Son Goku. Anchorman34 (talk) 17:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34

Per SnapperTwo. Seriously, all of these extraneous sections are part of the reason why relationship pages for other characters is a terrible idea. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:35, April 30, 2015 (UTC)

extraneous? I do argee thsi page is for people he has close ties to, and impacts on, yeah I forgot where I was going with this? Justin Holland (talk) 19:43, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Some of us are pushing the boundaries of character interactions here. Naruto had like zero contact with Hanabi throughout the whole series (except maybe The Last where Hanabi called Naruto "Brother Naruto", but I'm pretty sure meant Hinata), and the new generation seems pretty rushed considering the new manga chapter was released last week. I'd get rid of these two, and change the "parents" and "children" sections back to where they were. --SSJ2AJB (talk) 19:53, April 30, 2015 (UTC)
Well, that was quite the cleanup, Snapper. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 18:43, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
There were a bit too many people removed. Some leaf ninja could have been kept. Anchorman34 (talk) 18:47, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34

I anticipated that you and another user would have an issue with the clean up. But again, this is a "Naruto's Relationships" page, not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to. There was too much to begin with. And I'm pretty sure we agreed on this talkpage that a removal of extraneous sections was needed, no? It was utterly unnecessary to add everything back when other users on the talkpage agreed that sections needed to be removed. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 18:53, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

Well, it would not have hurt to keep a few people like Ino, or Orochimaru.Anchorman34 (talk) 18:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
Question:
  • What significant relationship (key word: relationship, not encounter) does Naruto have with Ino or Orochimaru that has spanned across the entirety of the manga or has had a major impact on Naruto's life, behavior, way of thinking and vice versa?
Again, this is not a page about every person Naruto has spoken to, nor should we document an encounter Naruto has had with every minor character on this page. (And I also anticipate some edit warring after this...) You're going to have to provide more legitimate reasons to keep certain characters other than "They should be kept there."
I don't mind some characters being added back, but there has to be some legitimacy in doing so. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:12, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Very well. I'll try to come up with a legit reason, but how is Naruto's relationship with Kabuto more significant than his one with Orochimaru? And no i will try not to start an edit war.Anchorman34 (talk) 19:19, May 3, 2015 (UTC)Anchorman34
Naruto developed his Rasengan, a signature move, for the first time against Kabuto, not to mention the repeated encounters he's had with Kabuto from the beginning of the series to Part II. And also, Naruto had a profound impact on Kabuto modifying his body, per stated in the article. That is how Naruto impacted Kabuto's behavior, decisions, way of thinking, etc. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
My criteria for inclusion were twofold:
  1. Characters that have had an impact on Naruto - This seems logical enough.
  2. Characters that Naruto has had an impact on - This article originally grew out of the desire to better-document Naruto's "power" to change people. Obviously the article's moved very far away from that, but it's still a common theme for a number of these characters; Gaara, Neji, Obito, etc. It's for that reason that I left Kabuto, since Kabuto credits Naruto for some of his life decisions.
Whether or not the second criterion is worthwhile is up to other people. However, since it's actually commented on in the series, it should be documented somewhere, and for some reason Naruto's actual article doesn't. ~SnapperTo 19:40, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
Thing is, many people tend to misinterpret that criteria. For instance, just because Naruto fought with Orochimaru, Madara, Kaguya, Black Zetsu does not mean they all have an individual relationship with Naruto (it's just an encounter, note it in Naruto's article or something), nor does it mean that they've impacted each other's decision-making towards life and such.
And yeah, Kabuto actually accredited Naruto as the one that influenced his decisions and actions. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:50, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
So what about characters that Naruto didn't influence but he was influenced by? Like Yamato was the whole reason Naruto stopped relying on the Nine-tails power and wasn't Orochimaru a big part of why Naruto began training for 3 years? --Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
From exclusively that standpoint, the Yamato situation is, again, just an encounter. It was temporal, with no long-lasting impact, as Naruto eventually continued to use Kurama's power after that (I'm not against Yamato being added at all, but there has to be some more legitimacy). Also, Orochimaru was not the primary reason Naruto began training for that time. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 06:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Quotes

I know it's a little late but just asking why were the quotes removed? they define the character's personality, they were valid, I know everything can be explained in paragraphs, but still the page looked good with them. So just wondering.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 13:52, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

If I had to hazard a guess, they provided very little to the page and just increased the page length. If you feel otherwise you're more than welcome to re-add them and we'll see how that goes.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 14:25, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, agreed some were redundant but I'll see what I can do.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 14:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
They did indeed provide very little to the page. If one wants to see the quotes so badly, then one can go read the manga or watch the anime. The page is supposed to describe Naruto's relationships with people he considers close to him, and mere quotes don't achieve that purpose. All they do is cover what every person says about him.
You are right though, quotes do define a character's personality, hence why they're valid in character articles, but at the end of them and not throughout, as we don't need dialogue throughout the article when one can still read the manga or watch the anime. But that's just my two cents. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 15:20, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Fair point, the article already has everything, I was about to add quotes to show how those character had impact on Naruto's personality, and why they are unique to his relationship, only a few unique characters like Iruka, Kakashi, & Itachi's quotes, but there are so many, I guess I was being selective.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 16:43, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Utakata

It may have been filler, but Narutos relationship with Utakata was pretty significant in the anime and had some significance in the Jinchuriki Six Paths battle.--RexGodwin (talk) 02:14, July 12, 2015 (UTC)