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== Additional Rinnegan Images ==
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== "He grew into a tall man" ==
Someone should add the picture of him awakening the Rinnegan and avenging his parents death, and a picture of his Rinnegan when he saved Yahiko. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 08:46, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Natures ==
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I don't think so... Yahiko was only 176.5 cm(5ft9.5) and to me Nagato looked a bit shorter than that.. that is not tall that is average. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 09:47, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
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:At least for Japan, I think that's tall. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:16, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
If it was changed that Rinnegan gives the user five chakra natures instead of six, shouldn't be Yin, Yang and Yin-Yang Release removed from Nagato's infobox?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 16:48, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
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== Leader of Akatsuki? ==
:The Sage's [[Creation of All Things]] uses those.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 17:14, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
When was it changed, in the tankoban? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:32, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
It was changed in the latest edition of volume 41. Although I suppose we should keep it seeing as aside from that one panel, we do have sweeping statements from the databook, Jiraiya and Ibiki praising the lengths of Ninjutsu the Rinnegan can go without discriminating against Yin-Yang; the Genjutsu blocks (the doors within the Amegakure shinobi whose was being interrogated by Inochi) and the mass Genjutsu on Amegakure do illustrate Nagato's Genjutsu skill thus his skill in, at least, Yin chakra.
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I recognize that Tobi had conspired with Nagato after Yahiko's death, but given how Yahiko, Nagato, and Konan were the original founders and that Nagato himself actually believed and commanded the organization as its respective leader, isn't it more accurate to say that Tobi was mainly a benefactor to the organization (one that manipulated Nagato and Akatsuki as a whole) than being the literal recognized leader? It doesn't help that Tobi was acting as a representative for Madara himself (as if he were actually Madara) when he confronted Konan when he claimed that he was the one who "gave" Nagato his eyes (we all know it was actually the real Madara and not Tobi), so a lot of his declaration were practically hyperbole at that point. It doesn't help that despite his claim that he created Akatsuki even before Yahiko did, this proved to be false as Yahiko, Nagato, and Konan were acting independently before they even met Tobi. I've seen other articles reflect this, but I noticed that on Nagato's page it's probably the only one where this isn't exactly clear about it. So is it perhaps possible to change the wording of Nagato's opening entry to better reflect this? --[[User:DementedP|DementedP]] ([[User talk:DementedP|talk]]) 16:04, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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::Never mind, I fixed it myself. --[[User:DementedP|DementedP]] ([[User talk:DementedP|talk]]) 02:01, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
   
The only issue I'd say would be saying Nagato mastered Yin and Yang along with Yin-Yang at the age of 10, but I see that's been fixed.
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== His Settei height ==
Though it depends on what constitutes as mainstream Ninjutsu, if it includes Yin-Yang then Nagato's should stay. But I think Ibiki's comment does seal the deal supporting the idea that Nagato can use Yin-Yang with the Genjutsu examples.
 
   
Nevertheless, the mechanisms of Yin-Yang are still unknown, for all we know he may not have the ability to use them or maybe he does, depending on said mechanisms.
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I cannot tell if it says 173.5, 174.5, or 175.5cm, here it is you tell me yourselves what you think, then we can add it. http://i1295.photobucket.com/albums/b624/ItachiWasAHero/NagatoEdo.png [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 03:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
But I would say keep it the same. --[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 21:26, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
But that is not the wikia policy. If a character is implied to be able to perform a technique due to a [[Kekkei Genkai]], but was never seen or said to be performing that technique, it is not listed. Otherwise [[Tobi]] should be listed as a [[Wood Release]] user, as he has [[Hashirama Senju]]'s cells, and everyone knows that by implanting the shodai [[Hokage]]'s cells into oneself they can acess the Wood element and Madara Uchiha should be listed as a user of all five [[nature transformation]]s and a [[Yin Release]], [[Yang Release]] and [[Yin-Yang Release]] due to possesing the [[Rinnegan]].[[User:Undominanthybrid|Undominanthybrid]] ([[User talk:Undominanthybrid|talk]]) 14:48, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
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After some analyzing of the image, that cannot be a 2 because it does not match any of the 2's on the other settei, and it cannot be a 3 or a 5 because it does not match them or have the same curves, it is a 4 so Nagato is 174.5cm tall until we get better settei of him or further databook info. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:50, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Kabuto's comment ==
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I found this image at another angle, it seems to say 175.5 not 174.5. Just to clear that up for now. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 05:12, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't we add how Kabuto believed Nagato (one that can move) could have possibly changed the outcome of his battle against Naruto, B and Itachi under his 'abilities'?
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== Infobox ==
   
It does reinstate and enforce his being 'extraordinarily powerful' vibe you get from the wiki.
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Since we usually use photos from when a character is introduced rather than their current appearance [Obito for example] do you guys think it would be more appropriate to use a photo of Nagato during the founding of Akatsuki? It would certainly be brighter and look better in the infobox, and it corresponds with what we normally do for articles. Thoughts? --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 07:05, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:Shouldn't be a problem. We'd prefer to see the image first.''' ~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 07:30, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:Except Nagato wasn't introduced during the founding of Akatsuki. We first saw him as a child in a flashback, and then we saw him as an emaciated adult. As far as current events go, Nagato was introduced as the emaciated adult. Same thing happened with Dodai. We were introduced to him in a flashback, where we saw him as a young man, but once he was introduced in the main plot, present time, he was older, so that's the image we use. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:47, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
   
What are your thoughts? --[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 15:06, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
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Yeah but when we saw Obito in the main present timeline we still used a photo of him as a child, since he was revealed in Kakashi Gaiden. [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Nagato_Portrait.png this] is the photo I had in mind, but obviously we'd need to find one with higher resolution if everyone's on board. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 18:30, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
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:But Kakashi Gaiden wasn't a flashback, this wasn't a character recalling or thinking back to it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:31, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
   
I agree.{{unsigned|72.66.90.246}}
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Either way, we use Obito's photo from KG because that's how he appeared in his debut. It's true though, Nagato appeared as a kid when he was first revealed, so I don't see a problem with using a photo from that time frame either. I think when it comes down to it there just aren't any high quality photos of Nagato as he appeared in the present storyline, since you only see him in the dark while they're inside Konan's tree. I think for that reason we'd be better off choosing a photo of his younger self. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 23:04, August 15, 2013 (UTC)
:Actually it's unnecessary, Nagato's strength speaks for itself enough in his article. In any battle, being unable to walk/move could always pose a huge issue. (unless you're Gaara etc) The point is, that if he could move it might or might not have changed the outcome of the battle.---[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 03:57, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
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:I'd agree with that the ph0to you uploaded of nagato was really good [[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] I placed that in his appearance section but I'd be happy using that in the inbfobox --[[User:ROOT |<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT |<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 11:22, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
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::Sorry, but the image lacks the Amegakure's symbol in his headband. It could be used for other purposes if the symbol exists. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 11:48, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
   
Wouldn't that be good enough to add that Kabuto believes Nagato's movement might have been able to change the outcome, even if we tag a 'might' on it as the relevant page does really does glare on it.
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Well there aren't really a lot of viable photos of Nagato out there to use for his infobox. In my opinion a picture of him as a child would work better since that's how he appeared in his debut in the manga and the only photos of him as an adult are way too dark. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 03:58, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
For instance, when I read the article I get the idea that it took Naruto, Killer B and Itachi's combined power to beat him yet when I reread the chapter I get the idea that Kabuto believes the mobility would have changed the outcome (which is why his movement was mentioned at all).
 
   
I just believe that the page/comment should be accounted in the article in some fashion as it does seem pivotal in regards to Nagato's ability.--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 19:55, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
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:I'm with Omnibender on this one. As he made his debut as a emaciated adult, that is the image that should be used. Tobi SHOULD be using his orange mask image because that was what he debut in, but I'm sure people would go full anal if you tried to disassociate him from his child appearance.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:41, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Title issues ==
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That's not actually true. Kakashi Gaiden came out before the debut of Part II of the manga, so Obito first appeared in those chapters, and Nagato first appeared as a kid during Jiraiya's fight with Pain. In any case the current image isn't very good since you can barely see him, so that's one of my main concerns here.
Shouldn't his title of Sannime Rikudo should translate to the Third Rikudo?, The Sage was the first, and Madara was the second. [[Special:Contributions/72.66.90.246|72.66.90.246]] ([[User talk:72.66.90.246|talk]]) 13:27, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
:It says "Third of the Six Paths" isn't that the same thing?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
Nevermind, it just doesn't seem right. [[Special:Contributions/72.66.90.246|72.66.90.246]] ([[User talk:72.66.90.246|talk]]) 04:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
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EDIT: --- Unless we're talking about when they made their debut in the present timeline, and not their debut in the manga. But like I said if we can find ANY photo of Nagato with better lighting, even one where he's emaciated, then it should be used, but I'm throwing out options here because there's no real harm in using a photo of him when he's young either. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 05:00, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:I do agree with M4ND0N i think their is some good photos of him when the akatsuki was starting out I will look for something their but shakhmoot or norleon could get something good --[[User:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lime;">Root</span>]][[User_talk:ROOT 根|<span style="color:lawngreen;">根</span>]] 08:06, August 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
Erm, that's the same thing. O.o Rikudō is the romaji form of the word Six Paths I'm pretty sure. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 05:40, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
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==Nagato's Game Debut==
   
==Lightning Release==
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I don't pretend to be an expert on the Naruto's Games, having never played one myself, but if we are using Nagato's debut as the simple fact that one of his Paths of Pain are shown, then wouldn't Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 be his real game debut, because it came out in 2009. It can't be Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, because that came out in 2010, when Heroes 3 came out in 2009. [[User:Omega64|Omega64]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 04:28, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:You are correct. His debut was Heroes 3 and should be changed accordingly. I will do so now. Feel free tochange your answer on the Naruto Answers Wiki now that you have a new answer. --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 04:40, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::Well the thing with that is that I would like to use his proper game debut, and I will wait until it is changed to change the answer.[[User:Omega64|Omega64]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 04:49, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Nagato's debut should be when he first appeared as himself, as the red haired person. If Nagato appeared in Heroes 3 in as the red haired child, even if in a flashback, then yes, that would be his debut. Otherwise, it should be changed to whenever red haired Nagato was first seen. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:51, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::After consideration, Omnibender is right. It should be when Nagato first physically appeared. Omega, his debut would in fact be Storm 2.--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 05:00, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I can definitely follow that logic, however it does cause some inconsistency. Nagato is credited with a debut in Road to Ninja, however, Nagato himself never appeared in Road to Ninja, just his Deva Path. The wikia even marks to special with (Pain). If we are talking about full blown appearances, then shouldn't we remove this? [[User:Omega64|Omega64]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 05:18, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Yes, I believe we should. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:25, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
When did Nagato used a Lightning Release technique? --[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 15:27, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
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== Senju Lineage ==
:Due to Nagato having the [[Rinnegan]], he can use all the elements. --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 15:55, November 15, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
::But Tobi and Madara also have rinnegan... So how about them?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 16:16, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::If my memory serves, Jiraiya mentioned that Nagato could use all. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 16:19, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Rinnegan allows one to master the five elements, but you still have to learn them. Jiraiya explicitly said Nagato had mastered all of them by age ten. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:46, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== an error ? ==
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If I'm not mistaken, is Nagato a Senju as well? ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 11:10, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:As much as Naruto. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:12, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
[http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/254/15 Sharingan ?]
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== Studio Pierrot extra height additions to trivia section. ==
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 05:00, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Check Tankōbon, if different add to [[Chapter-Tankōbon_Differences]]. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 05:33, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::That's a well known mistake that manga clearners made.. {{unsigned|184.107.220.162}}
 
:::Well thats why it would be good to check raws as well i guess. Thanks for the info. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 05:46, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Added.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:24, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== How come ==
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In the Trivia Section, would it be ok to add his Kid, and Teen heights?? He was 149cm when he first met Jiraiya, and 163cm when Jiraiya left them. That seems like interesting info the people might want to know. Should I add it?? I need some consensus on this guys. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:05, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:It's just objective data, so I think that's ok. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:47, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
There isn't a image of him first awakening his Rinnegan on his profile? He was clearly shown to have awakened it against his parents murderers. [[Special:Contributions/72.66.90.246|72.66.90.246]] ([[User talk:72.66.90.246|talk]]) 18:21, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
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Ok, ok I'll add the data where I can. Starting with Nagato. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:15, April 1, 2014 (UTC)
:Because we already have an image showing a close-up of his Rinnegan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:29, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
::And the image wouldn't really depict a scene, just the eye.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:31, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I'm really tired right now so I'm not 100% sure but I don't even think there is a mention of him awakening it against his parents murderers at all on his wiki entry like there should be [[Special:Contributions/72.66.90.246|72.66.90.246]] ([[User talk:72.66.90.246|talk]]) 06:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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== Yin–Yang Release ==
   
== Kekkei Genkai ==
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I may very well be forgetting something obvious here, but where was he stated to be a user of Yin–Yang Release? Did that just carry over from Jiraiya's no longer canon line about him using all six natures? Unless I'm mistaken, Yin–Yang Release wasn't even mentioned until Obito's explanation of Izanagi to Konan, was it? Excluding Izanagi users, the only confirmed users should be Hagoromo, Madara, and Obito.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 03:56, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
The Rinnegan is a kekkei genkai right? What about the Six Paths of Pain and the Path abilties are they kekkei genkai too? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.51.2|119.154.51.2]] ([[User talk:119.154.51.2|talk]]) 17:15, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:I think it's because of the ominous sixth nature he was said to have mastered. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 07:36, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
:Yes o.o--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 17:20, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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::Yeah, 6th basic nature is no longer canon, because it was illogical to begin with. If Yin and Yang were a part of the basic nature transformations, then that would have meant that there had to be 8 nature transformations with YYR being the eight, not sixth. It didn't make sense for yin release and yang release to not count as natures but for YYR to count, so I assume that's why Kishi retconned it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:31, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
oh, well just wondering why the Naraka, Asura and Preta Path's jutsu weren't labelled as such? They can be labelled in the Rinnegan section right? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.51.2|119.154.51.2]] ([[User talk:119.154.51.2|talk]]) 17:24, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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Bumping this--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:40, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:The one thing I know is that in a posterior editing, the Jiraiya comment was changed, either from 6 natures to 5, or 5 to 6. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:04, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::6 to 5 in the seventh issue of volume 41. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:09, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Not all of the techniques (specifically, the ones you mentioned) are Rinnegan-only techniques, the Rinnegan just allows the user to use them. All from the 3rd Databook by the way. o3o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:09, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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== Telepathy? ==
   
:But they are labelled as such, as far as I can see.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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Nagato showed some telepathy in chapter 327 pg 15-16 when he communicated with Hidan & Kakuzu telling them to help seal the sanbi (stupid move btw since they could have killed their enemy & instead, just left them with a lot of info which hurt Akatsuki in the end).
   
Huh? Isn't he talking about the jutsu that those Paths use? For example, [[Blocking Technique Absorption Seal]] isn't a KG. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:14, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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Shouldn't the long range telepathy be noted in the abilities section?--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 17:56, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
:Oh their techniques; I totally didn't see the 's. Well then... what Skitts said.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:59, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
So stuff like [[Soul Removal]] and [[Blocking Technique Absorption Seal]] and the Asura weapons can be classified in his ninjutsu section right? or should it be written in his rinnegan or six paths section? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.71.17|119.154.71.17]] ([[User talk:119.154.71.17|talk]]) 09:30, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
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That's kind of an application of Magic Lantern Body Technique if I'm not mistaken. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:06, June 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[Blocking Technique Absorption Seal]] can be classified as ninjutsu, the rest are apparently part of the six paths, so they should probably go there instead of the rinnegan section
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While It could be the basis of the Magic Lantern Body Technique, it's still nor the Magic Lantern Body Technique. In the end, even if it's official name isn't given, it was a form of Telepathy similar to the Yamanaka clan's Mind Body Transmission Technique (I'm not saying that it is the Mind Body Transmission Technique, just similar). It should be noted in his ability section, even if the ability doesn't have a name or page itself, to acknowledge that he could telepathically speak to his subordinates.--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 22:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 09:48, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Third Rikudou ==
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== let's solve this right now. ==
Why there is a confusion here ? The first time the chapter 510 was released , nagato was called the third sage of the six paths according to ShounenSuki’s translation on this wikia , but when i revisit nagato’s page , i found it was changed to the third of the six paths . that happened also to tobi’s page . so what is the problem ? --Chaos90 13:28, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Though it has seemingly disappeared from this wikia, Shounensuki did not translate it as "Third Sage of the Six Paths" but as "Third of the Six Paths". This reminds me that we need to ask him to do so once more so we can have a reference.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:43, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Better to wait for anime I think ...
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Seelentau and Suzaku, we need the tankobon raws for Jiraiya's sentence regarding Nagato's nature release mastery translated. Because I swear it said he mastered ALL and that includes, yin-yang and its parent releases. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 15:42, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:01, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:You can see See's comment only 2 topics above...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:56, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Better... to whut? I don't think you're allowed to even say that phrase here ._.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:04, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
i think he did . go to [[Talk:Tobi/Archive_5#Masks|this page]] and read the point of " Masks " ! JK88 said that and ShounenSuki confirmed it . --Chaos90 14:18, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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I saw that but what is confusing me is viz made it 6 anyways
:If it's all the same I'd like to wait for him to respond to the message I left him because firstly in that thread he put the words "Sage of the" in brackets which when used like that, normally means that it wasn't said and is just there to clarify the statement. Secondly I've seen stuff like conversations he's had with other users where "Third of the Six Paths" was used and he didn't correct them so I'd prefer we have something more concrete with an explanation and everything.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:28, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
ok , that is a good idea . --Chaos90 14:36, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=707977 This guy has posted the viz release of the sentence and it it clearly says 6 natures. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:18, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Depends on if it's an old viz scan or the newer--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::The text was changed in a later edition of the chapter in the Japanese volume, this has been brought up already. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
@Cerez ... Yes, anime. It's the 4th most believable source right after Kishi, manga and databooks.
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Who cares about VIZ? Their translations are as official as the German ones. They're third class reference material, while the Japanese manga is first class. And there, it was changed from six to five, so we obviously should follow that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:14, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
They did as many things wrong as they did right.
 
So anime is gonna be the top #1 clarification for this when the episode is released.
 
Even if their translation will differ from ShounenSuki's, stating: "Anime translated it wrong, our translator ShounenSuki did it right" will not help.
 
   
People look at wiki right after manga and anime. So telling someone "ignore what anime said, just listen to some random guy on wiki anyone can edit" would be silly.
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So all in all, as final as it gets. Databook 3 AND japanese tankobon state it as 5 and not 6? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Even he is a human and can be mistaken.
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I just remembered something Seel, aren't those black rods made from Yin Yang Release?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 08:36, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:31, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:No. They're made from Madara's will and probably Nagato's blood and chakra, according to some side-comment by Kishimoto a few years ago. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 08:43, July 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Actually... no. For me at least if we were to count, the anime would be the fifth "reliable" source of information since Shounensuki is trusted more than them. I really don't see how the animators factor into this any at all in the first pace when it's a simple routine thing as asking him for a translation. Also, people who don't want to trust "random people" shouldn't be looking at wiki articles anyway since that's what wikis are built on. If someone ends up asking "how comes it's not what the anime said it is?" the answer will still be "we got a direct translation from out resident translator"--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 15:37, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Wouldn't the fact that Obito and Madara have both created chakra rods and possess Yin-Yang Release and Rinnegan be enough of a contextual connector that Rinnegan = Yin-Yang Release? And if you consider the fact that Obito referred to Nagato as the Third Six Paths and the 6th element likely referred to Yin-Yang Release? This strikes me as one of those things that simply is not going to be spoon fed to us now. There are obvious clues in the manga, we just need to make a decision based on them. If it wasn't clear already, I'm in favour of listing as Nagato as a Yin-Yang user.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 01:39, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Did Obito create chakra rods? I can't remember. Madara didn't possess the Rinnegan when he created the rods, though. And the 6th nature was corrected in the Japanese manga, so we shouldn't act like it's still a thing. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:20, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::Obito at least made Chakra Receivers (several in fact) to bind the jinchuriki, but the only time we actually see him make any on screen was when he used his Truth Seeking Balls to create makeshift ones. We know Madara can make some, as he screwed over Hashirama and Tobirama with a few. Nagato making them is obvious.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:51, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
i searched about this and found that the viz copy confirmed that nagato is the third sage of six paths and tobi is the second . so what is your openion about viz ? http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=41691131&postcount=296 // http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=41693627&postcount=299 --Chaos90 19:40, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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My right testicle is the price if I'm wrong about the rods being will materialization and not Rinnegan stuff--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:52, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
:To be honest I still don't really know what "Viz" is exactly lol :s. But any way I was looking around today at the Japanese version of the chapter againt the Sage's name [六道仙人] and Nagato's moniker for example [三人目の六道] you'll note that the only part of that name that's the same is the "六道" which means Six Paths/Realms. I'm about 95% sure that the translation that we have "Second/Third of the Six Paths" is correct, it's just for Shounensuki to reconfirm it.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:52, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:::The chakra receivers used to bind the beasts were made by Madara. He even said that Obito should use them for the Rikudo techniques, which in turn were used to bind the beasts. The rods are Will Materialization. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 11:03, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::If it were on me, I would have long merged [[Chakra Receiver Manifestation]] with [[Will Materialisation]] they are obviously the same. In fact Madara made the rod in the same scene he thought he also did Black Zetsu, so yeah. It would also explain why Gedo Mazo had the rods in its navel, being Kaguya and all--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:06, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::The rods are really his creation. He just can't create a sentient life form. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:09, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::He likely could considering he thought he had made Black Zetsu, but that's irrelevant--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:10, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Viz media is the ones that do the official anime subs & releases. And yeah, a litteral translation would something like "Third of the six paths" not "Third Sage". {{unsigned|84.23.144.179}}
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Hm. I think we can keep it like it is for now, since we most likely will get an explanation later. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:11, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think we may get an answer relatively soon. If Black Zetsu vanishes the moment Kaguya dies, Will Materialization and Chakra Receiver Materialization are the same, considering in the case of the latter, the rods vanish after their maker's death--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:15, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
lol , never mind ! i wish i could explain this to you , but i am bad at english and explanation . so i am with you for Shounensuki’s reconfirmation . --Chaos90 20:01, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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You guys are talking about a special type of release but as far as i know, jiraiya said he mastered the 5 "BASIC" releases did he not? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:26, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes. That's why it was changed from 6 to 5. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:33, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[User talk:ShounenSuki#Rikudo Moniker|Confirmation]].--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 21:44, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
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so this topic is irrelevant then. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:35, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
ok , that means that the third of the six paths and the third sage of the six paths are false . and that means there are no actually new paths other than rinnegan paths, which are six . so tobi and nagato represent " the six paths " . thank you ! --Chaos90 00:07, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
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== Infobox image? ==
   
They're meant to represent a new Sage, possessing his powers and abilities via his bloodline and/or having his eyes. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 00:55, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
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To avoid starting an all out edit war, let's discuss which photo is better suited. The [[:File:Nagato RI.PNG|original]] or a recent [[:File:Nagato Akatsuki.png|alternative]] uploaded by me? Personally I find the lighting on the original to be flat out awful, and given both versions, the only pro to keeping it is the fact that it's not a flashback image. The pros for the alternative, however, are better lighting, a better angle, better view of his face, and although you may not consider this important - a better view of his Rinnegan, which is one of his defining traits, and in my opinion should be more visible. And despite being a flashback image, it represents who he is just fine because 90% of the series shows Nagato like this whether he's in flashbacks or reincarnated, and he's only showcased as he appears in the original image for several chapters/episodes. Overall I think the one I uploaded looks nicer in the article and should be used. What do you guys think? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 06:59, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:The original. Lighting is really the only issue with it and it's not so bad that it makes him look completely different. It better shows him as he is during the events of the series. You're right in saying that your upload has some higher quality aspects, but the fact that it is a flashback is important. If it was a flashback of Nagato a week ago in the sunshine that would be fine, but it's long enough ago that he is noticeably younger.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 08:14, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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: The original as well, and has the same reasons as the one above. His appearance changed quiet a bit after he used the statue, and he have had that appearance all the way through Shippuden, even though we hardly saw him. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 09:13, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:: The original. When people think Nagato they think emaciated cripple man in giant crab chair, not young healthy Ame ninja.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:47, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Akatsuki and Pain ==
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Fair enough. There's a clear majority so that settles it. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 21:22, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 
Was there a scene in the manga/anime where the rest of Akatsuki saw the other Pains other than the one that looks like Yahiko?{{unsigned|112.200.71.58}}
 
:Don't think so. The only members that have seen the other paths are Konan & Zetsu. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 12:32, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Tobi knew about them at least.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 12:40, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
Yesh! Thought so. Thank you both! This helps me a lot, you have no idea. ^^{{unsigned|112.200.71.58}}
 
 
== Shadow clone ==
 
 
When did Nagato use a shadow clone in the anime? [[Special:Contributions/119.154.70.207|119.154.70.207]] ([[User talk:119.154.70.207|talk]]) 15:21, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Episode 131. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 15:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== a portion of the true rinnegan power ==
 
at third databook it was said that pain rinnegan might have possessed a portion of rikudou’s rinnegan power . is this just about the scale of techniques just like rikudou’s moon and nagato’s version ? or it refers to the techniques themselves , that rikudou might have possessed an addition techniques more than nagato , like creation of all things for example ? because if the later is the intended , then it shall be added to nagato and rikudou’s pages . and this what the page of databook said " it is not known whether this supreme ocular jutsu that pain possesses has the full scope of power or just a portion of it . " --Chaos90 19:11, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I think that the "unknown if this is a Rinnegan power" refers to the channelling Rinnegan powers through the corpses and sharing vision. About power scale, Nagato says when he uses Chibaku Tensei that his technique pales in comparison to the Sage. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:15, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::<editconflict/>I don't understand... Why does that need to be mentioned? Nagato possessed the Rinnegan, he wasn't the Sage incarnate neither is Madara. No one can have his power or any one else's for that matter except for that person. The same thing is exemplified amongst Hyūga mostly.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:16, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
i think it should be added because some of the current events require that . for example , madara has a full power rinnegan , which developed from a sharingan . he could use a meteor with shringan / rinnegn cooperation . rikudou also has the creation of all things technique depending on his rinnegan . but nagato has neither of them . --Chaos90 19:24, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:What exactly is a "full-power Rinnegan"? I haven't seen Madara do anything particularly amazing with the Rinnegan that Nagato hasn't. As for pulling down that meteor it's an entirely different case of stamina with an immortal body vs. one that was severely emaciated. You're simply assuming Nagato could not do these things.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:34, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
it is not that . creation of all things = uchiha + senju , so normally nagato could not use it . meteor = susano + gravity path , son nagato also could not use it . --Chaos90 19:55, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That does not mean he had a weaker Rinnegan, eyes are eyes ... as he had no Uchiha blood it's pretty self-explanatory he could not use Susanoo and Creation of all things
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:23, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Creation of all things requires Yin and Yang-natured chakra and possibly a dōjutsu. Him not being an Uchiha has nothing to do with anything.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 21:27, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Not really, Sage was 2 bloodlines and since Izanagi is a lesser/derivered version of creation of all things, Nagato having no Uchiha blood makes sense he could not uste it.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:09, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Real Nagato? ==
 
 
When Kabuto proceeds to blackmail Tobi with the coffins, we can clearly see that one of them is Nagato's ( [http://images.wikia.com/naruto/images/f/f6/The_Sixth_Coffin.png Pic] ), but later on we see that Konan has their bodies in a special shrine ( [http://images.wikia.com/naruto/images/9/9f/Ame_Memorial.png Pic] ); is this a discrepancy or is there some other story to it? (I haven't read the manga)
 
[[User:Ikazuuyr13|Ikazuuyr13]] ([[User talk:Ikazuuyr13|talk]]) 14:02, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
:The one in the coffin isn't the real body. It's made out of dirt and ash with Nagato's soul inhabiting it. Read the [[Summoning: Impure World Resurrection]] article for more.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 14:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks for clearing that up =)
 
[[User:Ikazuuyr13|Ikazuuyr13]] ([[User talk:Ikazuuyr13|talk]]) 15:54, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== His Rinnegan origins ==
 
 
Something got me thinking ...
 
Nagato's eyes are stated by Tobi to belong originally to either him or Madara (Unknown if he is speaking of Uchiha Madara as of himself or not)
 
Thus Nagato is the 3rd So6p with Tobi or Madara being the 2nd So6p.
 
As Sage was 2 bloodlines in one (father of both Senju and Uchiha ancestors)
 
By logic Nagato should be partially an Uchiha, but that's not the case since he is stated to be an Uzumaki even with red hair and has not shown any Uchiha powers/traits.
 
 
Thus this confirms that he as an Uzumaki that was given Sharingan before he awakened it as a Rinnegan, even possibly Tobi's/Madara's own Eternal Mangekyou.
 
 
Sorry if it's too speculative to include in articles, but it's an actual "hypothesis" based on manga.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Why do you always bring up that speculation stuff in talk pages? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:04, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That's what is stated/implied in manga along with the most logical conclusion.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:56, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:None of this was stated or implied in the manga — it's pure speculation. The talk page is supposed to be used for stuff that can improve the article.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 16:05, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
[http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/509/4 I was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan]
 
[http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/11 Sage was 2 bloodlines]
 
[http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/510/16 Nagato is the the 3rd Rikudo]
 
 
It's quite obvious that Nagato's and Uchiha Madara's eyes are one and the same unless Rinnegan eyes do grow on trees ... more supported as real Madara recognize Nagato.
 
As Tobi said that Rinne Tensei was meant to be used for his own sake, he meant for Madara's sake as he was meant to get revived with it.
 
Nagato is stated to be the 3rd Rikudo, Tobi/Madara being the 2nd ... and as Sage was 2 powers/bloodlines in one, then it means Nagato as a descendant of the younger son was given Uchiha Madara's "eyes" to make him "Sage" and Tobi in disguise of "Madara" took them back because they were "his"
 
When you progress beyond the Sharingan, there lies Rinnegan.
 
And as Madara is the only person to get EMS with Sasuke being the 2nd, it's exactly what the manga says when you read the chapters together so I'm not speculating or making things up
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:35, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
You still don't get it do you...
 
#Unless Kishimoto writes it into his story or through another medium... everything you connect has the possibility of being wrong and as such is speculation because it can be refuted by someone else's perspective.
 
#Talk pages are supposed to be used to enhance the articles, not offload what you're thinking. As it is this entire section should be removed.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 17:42, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I'm not telling someone to edit the pages nor I want to change them myself.
 
I'm asking for a change of the line from "Tobi stated he gave Nagato the Rinnegan" to "Tobi stated Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan" as everything Tobi says he has done was until the chapter "no one" under the premise he is Uchiha Madara.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No, that is what Tobi said. Until stated otherwise it should remain as it is now.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 17:54, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Picture of Walker ==
 
 
There was previously a front view picture of Nagato in his walker. I understand that the image it was replaced with is better suited for the purpose of the image, but perhaps the original image of Nagato in the walker can be placed under the section, Appearance, as what he looks like in his walker. [[User:Diamonddeath|Diamonddeath]] ([[User talk:Diamonddeath|talk]]) 06:43, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== new wind release ==
 
 
Shouldn't we put the new wind release technique nagato showed in 253? His hands weren't clapped together so it can't be gale palm.--[[Special:Contributions/76.92.243.71|76.92.243.71]] ([[User talk:76.92.243.71|talk]]) 17:20, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think it's necessary.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:01, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If anything, he could be dropped under [[Danzō Shimura]]'s [[Wind Release: Vacuum Sphere]]. Not a big fan of going off to create a new technique though.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:22, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Nagato in the afterlife and not sealed with the susanoo? ==
 
 
Nagato said that he is going to see Naruto and Jiraiya in the afterlife,but the sword of susanoo sealed them in a genjutsu world and not in the afterlife. Itachi stop Kabuto summoning impure ressurection,but should Nagato being release to the afterlife and not in the susanoo sword? {{unsigned|Mju}}
 
:We don't know. Don't trouble yourself too much with technical stuff like that.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Only Gods knows, I mean Kishi--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:19, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Genealogy ==
 
 
Should the Sage of the Six Paths be classified as Nagato's ancestor? I think I remember Jiraiya saying something along the lines of it. Well, I'm not sure if I could back up my claim, but his Uzumaki lineage could probably give fealty to it or just how the rinnengan (I hope I spelled it correctly). Anyways, I was just wondering and I hope somebody has some answers for me and can start a discussion about it.--[[User:Black Ronin8|Black Ronin8]] ([[User talk:Black Ronin8|talk]]) 00:13, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8
 
:Unless more information comes out, we aren't saying that the Uzumaki clan has any link to the Sage of the Six Paths, they are just related to the Senju Clan. [[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 00:30, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Oh, thanks for responding. Although it would be pretty awesome if he was related to the Sage of the Six Paths.--[[User:Black Ronin8|Black Ronin8]] ([[User talk:Black Ronin8|talk]]) 01:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8
 
 
Jiraiya just believed that Nagato is the Sage reborn. He had no knowledge for we know about his Uzumaki lineage.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:37, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No. KKinkaku and Ginkaku are descendants of the Sage but he isn't listed there. Nagato and them would be around the same area of distant relation and either way you take it, if Nagato's an Uzumaki then he's related to the Sage, it's just a matter of how convoluted the lineage gets.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:42, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Isn't it something akin to not directly related, not being listed? Nagato might not even have any Sage's blood in him.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:12, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
But he's an Uzumaki. And all Uzumaki are either '''possibly''':
 
* directly descended from the Sage
 
* descended from a Senju
 
And all Senju are descended from whom? The Sage. That's what I meant by convoluted, any way you take it, he'd technically have the "Sage's blood" in him simply because he's an Uzumaki.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:53, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No, where did you read that? Uzumaki for we know are as related to Senju, as some of their women marrying to the latter. Some Senju might have married into Uzumaki thus some of them having "Sage's blood", but the "original" pure blood Uzumaki may not be related to Sage in any way. So in other words, Nagato might have had some Senju blood in him if he had an ancestor married from/to Senju only.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:06, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== earth release ==
 
 
He has used hiding in rocks or something technique in anime against Naruto--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:03, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
:When exactly? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:26, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
When transformed Naruto hammered him into the ground and when hiding before his tailed beast ball. (planetary devastation)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:46, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Naruto hammering him into the ground isn't a technique. Don't recall the other scene, will look it up. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:50, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I believe the part you're talking about was when the Deva Path was hiding in the hollow of a tree, not earth. And when he was hammered into the ground, I'm not sure what that fodder was that the anime did (where he got up like a puppet on strings) but I'd call that a bansho/shinra tensei mix.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:06, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Omni, I know Naruto hammering Pain into the ground isn't a technique, Pain hiding under a ground and getting from it is.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:51, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
i agree with cerez on this one. it looked more like a bansho ten'in or shinra tensei, seeing as to how in that same episode pain used bansho ten'in to pull the rock formation that was above him and drop it on naruto from above.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 06:01, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
It didn't look like it at all "_" I would post a link it they were allowed. he clearly went underground--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 08:54, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
in the video games all the time nagato is pull chunks of rock out of the ground and chucking it at the enemy. the anime just did something similar. you could compare it to in the anime when jiraiya fought all 6 paths of pain tendo used bansho ten'in to pull the rock wall from behind jiraiya to fall on him. the only reason earth release was given to him is because jiraiya said he mastered a five chakra natures, and in the anime in jiraiya's flashback he used earth release earth style wall.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 10:59, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
Shippuden episode 167 3:28, 9:02--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:05, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
at 3:28, that was simply tendo using bansho ten'in to pull some of the rock out to block the path of some of naruto chakra arms. at 9:02, that was simply him using bansho ten'in (he even said bansho ten'in) to pull the rock out and make it fall on naruto.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 13:23, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
also that tree obviously had an opening that he used to hide in, we didn't even see him merge with it or anything of that sort.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 13:24, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
Jesus, I'm watching it on crunchyroll, there at 3:28 right after Naruto hammers him to the ground, he is merged with the ground and then jumps out. Later when hiding from the blast of Naruto's tailed beast ball he merges with the ground/goes underground to avoid damage--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
i don't watch crunchyroll, the version i watch doesnt have the opening or ending songs. him pulling himself out of the ground, any ninja could do it, i mean ninja jump high and powerful. he's the akatasuki leader he could get himself out of the ground. also he never ever and i mean never, cross my heart and hope to die, merge with the groun. he simply hid inside the already hollow tree, i mean you could see that it was hollow, it showed the edges of were it was hollowed out when he stuck his hand out to use the chibaku tensei.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 00:17, July 29, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
== question O_O ==
 
 
Konoha got hold of one Pain corpse, even after "death" (the corpses aren't alive to begin with, it was just disabled/dysfunctional lol) it still had the Rinnegan, so how they don't just plug out it's eyes to get Rinnegan?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:44, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
we dont know how the six paths of pain "bodies" get the rinnegan in the first place. heres a question, how did tobi make his six paths of pain "jinchuriki style":) get rinnegan in one of their eyesockets when he went through so much trouble to get nagato's corpse because he didn't have the rinnegan? we don't know how the six paths of pain's bodies in the first place, it's possible that the rinnegan disapear a little while after using them stops, kinda like how those manipulated by the sharingan have sharingan reflected on their eyes.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 23:55, July 29, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
That's exactly what I thought, that it's just a "reflection" due to the Rinnegan's users chakra going throughout the corpses, similar how a Sharingan appears sometimes like in Kurama's case or something. The corpse still does have the Rinnegan though, in the autopsy room I think--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:23, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
its not concrete. we still dont know ufn.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.31|71.71.58.31]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.31|talk]]) 00:38, July 30, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
I've been wondering that too. So waht if they removed the rinnegan from the Pain corpse back at Konoha and transplant into somebody? Will they have all of it's power?--[[User:Black Ronin8|Black Ronin8]] ([[User talk:Black Ronin8|talk]]) 08:14, July 31, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8
 
:To reword 71.71.58.31; we have no idea. All we know is in the article. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 08:17, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
not to spam, but as a response to black ronin8, the rinnegan is so rare that its beleived to be just a myth, if the rinnegan where permanent or anything more than reflection (type of things) than rinnegan would be everywhere.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.240|98.26.246.240]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.240|talk]]) 08:24, July 31, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
== unable to use legs... ==
 
 
Was it ever stated in manga why he wasn't capable of walking after being reincarnated?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:08, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
even though itachi and the other edo tensei's didnt show any signs of being affected by a disease that they had, nagatos legs were permanetly damage, remember edo tensei revives the people how they were at the time of their death, that means like if the person had no left arm when they died they would resurected without a left arm.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.245.37|98.26.245.37]] ([[User talk:98.26.245.37|talk]]) 00:16, August 4, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
It's not necessarily that. Nagato's case could simply be one of lost muscle memory. It's like when people get in accidents, they have to go through rehabilitation to learn how to reuse the limb etc.. Nagato just simply "forgot" how to walk and with no time for rehab, his feet weren't very usable through he did use them to walk a bit with Itachi and such, though if you notice their pace was slow and such.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:43, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
true that does make sense considering that kimimaro nor itachi even seemed like they had illnesses.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.245.37|98.26.245.37]] ([[User talk:98.26.245.37|talk]]) 10:48, August 4, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
So the reason was a lost nerve connection between his legs and brain, right?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:53, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Strongest Akatsuki ==
 
 
In what chapter is it mentioned that Nagato is the strongest akatsuki?
 
[[User:ManggaJambu|ManggaJambu]] ([[User talk:ManggaJambu|talk]]) 13:39, August 19, 2012 (UTC)ManggaJambu
 
:I don't recall that ever being mentioned. Why do you ask? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:53, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Eyes question ? ==
 
 
In the last chapter 602 Madara state that he has given his eyes to someone else .. could it be Nagato? Since Tobi claim the rinnegan was his and he did everything on the real Madara behalf ..--[[User:Tchad1|Tchad1]] ([[User talk:Tchad1|talk]]) 12:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It could. Wait for the rest of the story to unfold first.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:38, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I'm surprised there's still a doubt, obviously most if not everything Tobi/Obito said about "I, Madara" was in his behalf. Thus Madara knew Yahiko and gave Nagato his eyes--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:55, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Probably what happens, but these dots are very sensitive. They don't need to be connected, people can get the idea themselves, even if it's not written down. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:01, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Yeahm but shouldnt we still mention Tobi/Madara's claim in some way on this article and or the rinnegan article? --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 19:04, September 21, 2012 (UTC)Gojita
 
 
== Sharingan ==
 
 
Since Nagato has been confirmed to have the real Madaras eyes, should we also include the Shiringan on his page? Even though he is never seen to use them, and might not be able to 'deactivate them' just like Kakashi cannot 'deactivate' his Sharingan, the eyes do contain the Uchiha blood and are in fact Sharingans, use the Sharingan power to use the Rinningan, and are just Sharingans displaying the advanced form of the Rinningan. [[User:Dragon Hacker|Dragon Hacker]] ([[User talk:Dragon Hacker|talk]]) 15:17, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No, because in that case, we would have to add Sharingan to So6p's infobox as well--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:24, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Not entirely true/accurate. The Sage has little or nothing to do with the Sharingan. Madara's eyes are what is in question here. However, I do agree that the Sharingan shouldn't be added to Nagato's infobox because he's never used it. Not because that's where those eyes originated, means Nagato should be listed as a user.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:32, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Since the Sharingan is a prerequisit to the Rinningan, every Rinningan technique requires using the Sharingan. For example, when a character uses wood release, we add earth and water to the page, because we know that the character must use them to make the wood, even if they are never seen using water for example. The Rinningan requires the Sharingan, and uses the Sharingan eye for every technique, just like if a character is only seen use the M. Sharingan, we add the regular Sharingan to theirpage, since it is a techniqure dervied from it... like the big ball resangan to the resangan. [[User:Dragon Hacker|Dragon Hacker]] ([[User talk:Dragon Hacker|talk]]) 17:47, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Thats a different thing. Nagato could only use [[Rinnegan]] and not the [[Sharingan]].~{{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 17:53, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Actually you guys are wrong, the sharingan could or could not be added depending on what you decide but it would not have to be added to the SOT6P since he possessed the orginal rinnegan, that when he had children, gave birth to the weaker version the sharigan. the sharigan + the blood of the other line or senju, combine to allow user to use the original eye the rinnegan. look at it this way and the rinnegan the sage possessed does not need the sharigan at all. he would be an exception, and the only person so far to naturally have the rinnegan eyes--[[Special:Contributions/208.124.127.75|208.124.127.75]] ([[User talk:208.124.127.75|talk]]) 21:24, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
We don't know if Sage's Rinnegan was natural, the Ten-Tails might have had something to do with it. Just because he was the first human to teach others how to use chakra and defeated a god/demon/whatever that thing is, doesn't mean he had to be "a chosen one" or something--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:56, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Shouldn't it be noted (in trivia maybe) that although they are Madara's eyes, Nagato cannot activated or use any Sharingan techniques?... Perhaps the work of Madara himself, somehow sealing it away because, from what we've seen, all Sharingan transplanted to non-Uchiha remain activated... -- [[User:D!ABLO-32|D!ABLO-32]] ([[User talk:D!ABLO-32|talk]]) 20:20, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That would be speculation. So far, all transplanted Sharingan can't go to a lesser form, but can go up from there and back to it. Transplanted Sharingan can't be deactivated, but can change to MS and back. No strictly MS transplanted known (eye removed while MS was on). Rinnegan follows that pattern, in that it can't be deactivated back into MS. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:50, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Madara's Gift ==
 
 
Was the reason that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan ever stated? My theory is because Madara was an Uchiha and Nagato was the closest person that could properly wield his Rinnegan because of his Senju blood. Am I close to being right? Can someone help with this please? [[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 17:18, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yes, you're close but this isn't a forum.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:47, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
I know. This is my first actual post on this site but I've been reading for a few months now. I just want to explain to my friend(relatively new to The World of Naruto) how Madara giving Nagato the Rinnegan happened and it bothers me that I don't know the actual reason why. Thanks for answering by the way Cerez, you're legendary around here! [[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 17:55, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
There aren't many Uzumaki or Senju to choose from anymore, Nagato was also a perfect fit since he was a child in the middle of a war, Obito used the trauma to make him "Pain" but that's just our best guess, more might be revealed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:14, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks Elveonora! [[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 12:53, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Nagatos Air Bullet jutsu is not Anime Only ==
 
 
Hi im a huge Nagato fan and i was reading through the manga and found out that under Nagato's jutsu list...The jutsu "Air Bullets" or also called "Cyclone Blow" or " Fuuton:Reppushou" has been listed as an Anime Only Technique which it is clearly not. Go to Chapter 373, page 12 and it shows Nagato performing the technique against Jiraiya when he was a kid. You should edit it, Your welcome :)
 
[[User:Leafff|Leafff]] ([[User talk:Leafff|talk]]) 03:09, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
It is not the same. The air bullets one is simply him spitting out balls of heavily condensed chakra infused air. Wind release: Reppushou is an entirely different technique, its a powerful gust of wind, not wind bullets. in fact, here is the 3rd databook entry-
 
Wind Release: Gale Palm (風遁・烈風掌, Fūton: Reppūshō)
 
■ Ninjutsu, C-rank, Offensive, Supplementary, Short to mid-range (0–10m)
 
■ User(s): Nagato
 
 
When he presses his hands together, a violent wind sets out faster then the speed of sound!!
 
 
This technique transforms chakra and creates wind. When one's hands are clapped together, this wind is compressed and evolved into a fierce gale. The Gale Palm as just a isolated attack has the power to easily knock over a human. However, it's true value comes from using it in an attack together with projectile weapons like shuriken or kunai. The speed with which they fly through the air, the power with which they hit, and their ability to wound or even kill are all increased several times!!
 
[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.74|98.26.246.74]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.74|talk]]) 04:01, November 10, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
== Eye transplant ==
 
 
Madara was a grown man when he transplanted his eyes. Nagato was a child. How did they ''fit''?--{{unsigned|72.130.182.23}}
 
:Lmao. You cannot be serious. You really think this series takes into account the size of eyes?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 09:01, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
You both can't be serious, right? The eyeball is one of few things on/in the human body, that doesn't grow in size from birth. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 09:15, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:That's not true, I think at least. The eye actually does - for want of a better word - "grow" about 25% from childhood into adulthood. Though there are a lot of arguments for and against this, I've found that there is more scientific evidence for it than against.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:17, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If eyes did not grow, every living person would either have myopia or hyperopia from day one, or else would never develop it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:23, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 

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"He grew into a tall man" Edit

I don't think so... Yahiko was only 176.5 cm(5ft9.5) and to me Nagato looked a bit shorter than that.. that is not tall that is average. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 09:47, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

At least for Japan, I think that's tall. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:16, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Leader of Akatsuki? Edit

I recognize that Tobi had conspired with Nagato after Yahiko's death, but given how Yahiko, Nagato, and Konan were the original founders and that Nagato himself actually believed and commanded the organization as its respective leader, isn't it more accurate to say that Tobi was mainly a benefactor to the organization (one that manipulated Nagato and Akatsuki as a whole) than being the literal recognized leader? It doesn't help that Tobi was acting as a representative for Madara himself (as if he were actually Madara) when he confronted Konan when he claimed that he was the one who "gave" Nagato his eyes (we all know it was actually the real Madara and not Tobi), so a lot of his declaration were practically hyperbole at that point. It doesn't help that despite his claim that he created Akatsuki even before Yahiko did, this proved to be false as Yahiko, Nagato, and Konan were acting independently before they even met Tobi. I've seen other articles reflect this, but I noticed that on Nagato's page it's probably the only one where this isn't exactly clear about it. So is it perhaps possible to change the wording of Nagato's opening entry to better reflect this? --DementedP (talk) 16:04, June 26, 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, I fixed it myself. --DementedP (talk) 02:01, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

His Settei height Edit

I cannot tell if it says 173.5, 174.5, or 175.5cm, here it is you tell me yourselves what you think, then we can add it. NagatoEdo.png ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

After some analyzing of the image, that cannot be a 2 because it does not match any of the 2's on the other settei, and it cannot be a 3 or a 5 because it does not match them or have the same curves, it is a 4 so Nagato is 174.5cm tall until we get better settei of him or further databook info. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:50, August 4, 2013 (UTC)

I found this image at another angle, it seems to say 175.5 not 174.5. Just to clear that up for now. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:12, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Edit

Since we usually use photos from when a character is introduced rather than their current appearance [Obito for example] do you guys think it would be more appropriate to use a photo of Nagato during the founding of Akatsuki? It would certainly be brighter and look better in the infobox, and it corresponds with what we normally do for articles. Thoughts? --M4ND0N (talk) 07:05, August 14, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't be a problem. We'd prefer to see the image first. ~ UltimateSupreme 07:30, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
Except Nagato wasn't introduced during the founding of Akatsuki. We first saw him as a child in a flashback, and then we saw him as an emaciated adult. As far as current events go, Nagato was introduced as the emaciated adult. Same thing happened with Dodai. We were introduced to him in a flashback, where we saw him as a young man, but once he was introduced in the main plot, present time, he was older, so that's the image we use. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:47, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah but when we saw Obito in the main present timeline we still used a photo of him as a child, since he was revealed in Kakashi Gaiden. this is the photo I had in mind, but obviously we'd need to find one with higher resolution if everyone's on board. --M4ND0N (talk) 18:30, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

But Kakashi Gaiden wasn't a flashback, this wasn't a character recalling or thinking back to it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:31, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

Either way, we use Obito's photo from KG because that's how he appeared in his debut. It's true though, Nagato appeared as a kid when he was first revealed, so I don't see a problem with using a photo from that time frame either. I think when it comes down to it there just aren't any high quality photos of Nagato as he appeared in the present storyline, since you only see him in the dark while they're inside Konan's tree. I think for that reason we'd be better off choosing a photo of his younger self. --M4ND0N (talk) 23:04, August 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'd agree with that the ph0to you uploaded of nagato was really good M4ND0N I placed that in his appearance section but I'd be happy using that in the inbfobox --Root 11:22, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but the image lacks the Amegakure's symbol in his headband. It could be used for other purposes if the symbol exists. Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png(Contact) 11:48, August 16, 2013 (UTC)

Well there aren't really a lot of viable photos of Nagato out there to use for his infobox. In my opinion a picture of him as a child would work better since that's how he appeared in his debut in the manga and the only photos of him as an adult are way too dark. --M4ND0N (talk) 03:58, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm with Omnibender on this one. As he made his debut as a emaciated adult, that is the image that should be used. Tobi SHOULD be using his orange mask image because that was what he debut in, but I'm sure people would go full anal if you tried to disassociate him from his child appearance.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 04:41, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

That's not actually true. Kakashi Gaiden came out before the debut of Part II of the manga, so Obito first appeared in those chapters, and Nagato first appeared as a kid during Jiraiya's fight with Pain. In any case the current image isn't very good since you can barely see him, so that's one of my main concerns here.

EDIT: --- Unless we're talking about when they made their debut in the present timeline, and not their debut in the manga. But like I said if we can find ANY photo of Nagato with better lighting, even one where he's emaciated, then it should be used, but I'm throwing out options here because there's no real harm in using a photo of him when he's young either. --M4ND0N (talk) 05:00, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

I do agree with M4ND0N i think their is some good photos of him when the akatsuki was starting out I will look for something their but shakhmoot or norleon could get something good --Root 08:06, August 17, 2013 (UTC)

Nagato's Game DebutEdit

I don't pretend to be an expert on the Naruto's Games, having never played one myself, but if we are using Nagato's debut as the simple fact that one of his Paths of Pain are shown, then wouldn't Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 be his real game debut, because it came out in 2009. It can't be Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, because that came out in 2010, when Heroes 3 came out in 2009. Omega64 (talk) 04:28, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

You are correct. His debut was Heroes 3 and should be changed accordingly. I will do so now. Feel free tochange your answer on the Naruto Answers Wiki now that you have a new answer. --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 04:40, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Well the thing with that is that I would like to use his proper game debut, and I will wait until it is changed to change the answer.Omega64 (talk) 04:49, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Nagato's debut should be when he first appeared as himself, as the red haired person. If Nagato appeared in Heroes 3 in as the red haired child, even if in a flashback, then yes, that would be his debut. Otherwise, it should be changed to whenever red haired Nagato was first seen. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:51, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
After consideration, Omnibender is right. It should be when Nagato first physically appeared. Omega, his debut would in fact be Storm 2.--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 05:00, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
I can definitely follow that logic, however it does cause some inconsistency. Nagato is credited with a debut in Road to Ninja, however, Nagato himself never appeared in Road to Ninja, just his Deva Path. The wikia even marks to special with (Pain). If we are talking about full blown appearances, then shouldn't we remove this? Omega64 (talk) 05:18, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I believe we should. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:25, January 3, 2014 (UTC)

Senju Lineage Edit

If I'm not mistaken, is Nagato a Senju as well? ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 11:10, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

As much as Naruto. Seelentau 愛 11:12, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Studio Pierrot extra height additions to trivia section. Edit

In the Trivia Section, would it be ok to add his Kid, and Teen heights?? He was 149cm when he first met Jiraiya, and 163cm when Jiraiya left them. That seems like interesting info the people might want to know. Should I add it?? I need some consensus on this guys. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:05, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

It's just objective data, so I think that's ok. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:47, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Ok, ok I'll add the data where I can. Starting with Nagato. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:15, April 1, 2014 (UTC)

Yin–Yang Release Edit

I may very well be forgetting something obvious here, but where was he stated to be a user of Yin–Yang Release? Did that just carry over from Jiraiya's no longer canon line about him using all six natures? Unless I'm mistaken, Yin–Yang Release wasn't even mentioned until Obito's explanation of Izanagi to Konan, was it? Excluding Izanagi users, the only confirmed users should be Hagoromo, Madara, and Obito.--BeyondRed (talk) 03:56, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's because of the ominous sixth nature he was said to have mastered. • Seelentau 愛 07:36, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, 6th basic nature is no longer canon, because it was illogical to begin with. If Yin and Yang were a part of the basic nature transformations, then that would have meant that there had to be 8 nature transformations with YYR being the eight, not sixth. It didn't make sense for yin release and yang release to not count as natures but for YYR to count, so I assume that's why Kishi retconned it.--Elveonora (talk) 09:31, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Bumping this--Elveonora (talk) 12:40, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

The one thing I know is that in a posterior editing, the Jiraiya comment was changed, either from 6 natures to 5, or 5 to 6. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:04, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
6 to 5 in the seventh issue of volume 41. • Seelentau 愛 14:09, June 16, 2014 (UTC)

Telepathy? Edit

Nagato showed some telepathy in chapter 327 pg 15-16 when he communicated with Hidan & Kakuzu telling them to help seal the sanbi (stupid move btw since they could have killed their enemy & instead, just left them with a lot of info which hurt Akatsuki in the end).

Shouldn't the long range telepathy be noted in the abilities section?--Deathmailrock (talk) 17:56, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

That's kind of an application of Magic Lantern Body Technique if I'm not mistaken. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:06, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

While It could be the basis of the Magic Lantern Body Technique, it's still nor the Magic Lantern Body Technique. In the end, even if it's official name isn't given, it was a form of Telepathy similar to the Yamanaka clan's Mind Body Transmission Technique (I'm not saying that it is the Mind Body Transmission Technique, just similar). It should be noted in his ability section, even if the ability doesn't have a name or page itself, to acknowledge that he could telepathically speak to his subordinates.--Deathmailrock (talk) 22:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

let's solve this right now. Edit

Seelentau and Suzaku, we need the tankobon raws for Jiraiya's sentence regarding Nagato's nature release mastery translated. Because I swear it said he mastered ALL and that includes, yin-yang and its parent releases. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 15:42, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

You can see See's comment only 2 topics above...--Elveonora (talk) 15:56, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I saw that but what is confusing me is viz made it 6 anyways

http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?t=707977 This guy has posted the viz release of the sentence and it it clearly says 6 natures. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:18, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Depends on if it's an old viz scan or the newer--Elveonora (talk) 16:26, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
The text was changed in a later edition of the chapter in the Japanese volume, this has been brought up already. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Who cares about VIZ? Their translations are as official as the German ones. They're third class reference material, while the Japanese manga is first class. And there, it was changed from six to five, so we obviously should follow that. • Seelentau 愛 19:14, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

So all in all, as final as it gets. Databook 3 AND japanese tankobon state it as 5 and not 6? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. • Seelentau 愛 09:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

I just remembered something Seel, aren't those black rods made from Yin Yang Release?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:36, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

No. They're made from Madara's will and probably Nagato's blood and chakra, according to some side-comment by Kishimoto a few years ago. • Seelentau 愛 08:43, July 22, 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't the fact that Obito and Madara have both created chakra rods and possess Yin-Yang Release and Rinnegan be enough of a contextual connector that Rinnegan = Yin-Yang Release? And if you consider the fact that Obito referred to Nagato as the Third Six Paths and the 6th element likely referred to Yin-Yang Release? This strikes me as one of those things that simply is not going to be spoon fed to us now. There are obvious clues in the manga, we just need to make a decision based on them. If it wasn't clear already, I'm in favour of listing as Nagato as a Yin-Yang user.--Reliops (talk) 01:39, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Did Obito create chakra rods? I can't remember. Madara didn't possess the Rinnegan when he created the rods, though. And the 6th nature was corrected in the Japanese manga, so we shouldn't act like it's still a thing. • Seelentau 愛 09:20, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
Obito at least made Chakra Receivers (several in fact) to bind the jinchuriki, but the only time we actually see him make any on screen was when he used his Truth Seeking Balls to create makeshift ones. We know Madara can make some, as he screwed over Hashirama and Tobirama with a few. Nagato making them is obvious.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 10:51, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

My right testicle is the price if I'm wrong about the rods being will materialization and not Rinnegan stuff--Elveonora (talk) 10:52, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

The chakra receivers used to bind the beasts were made by Madara. He even said that Obito should use them for the Rikudo techniques, which in turn were used to bind the beasts. The rods are Will Materialization. • Seelentau 愛 11:03, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
If it were on me, I would have long merged Chakra Receiver Manifestation with Will Materialisation they are obviously the same. In fact Madara made the rod in the same scene he thought he also did Black Zetsu, so yeah. It would also explain why Gedo Mazo had the rods in its navel, being Kaguya and all--Elveonora (talk) 11:06, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
The rods are really his creation. He just can't create a sentient life form. • Seelentau 愛 11:09, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
He likely could considering he thought he had made Black Zetsu, but that's irrelevant--Elveonora (talk) 11:10, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hm. I think we can keep it like it is for now, since we most likely will get an explanation later. • Seelentau 愛 11:11, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think we may get an answer relatively soon. If Black Zetsu vanishes the moment Kaguya dies, Will Materialization and Chakra Receiver Materialization are the same, considering in the case of the latter, the rods vanish after their maker's death--Elveonora (talk) 11:15, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

You guys are talking about a special type of release but as far as i know, jiraiya said he mastered the 5 "BASIC" releases did he not? Munchvtec (talk) 12:26, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. That's why it was changed from 6 to 5. • Seelentau 愛 12:33, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

so this topic is irrelevant then. Munchvtec (talk) 12:35, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox image? Edit

To avoid starting an all out edit war, let's discuss which photo is better suited. The original or a recent alternative uploaded by me? Personally I find the lighting on the original to be flat out awful, and given both versions, the only pro to keeping it is the fact that it's not a flashback image. The pros for the alternative, however, are better lighting, a better angle, better view of his face, and although you may not consider this important - a better view of his Rinnegan, which is one of his defining traits, and in my opinion should be more visible. And despite being a flashback image, it represents who he is just fine because 90% of the series shows Nagato like this whether he's in flashbacks or reincarnated, and he's only showcased as he appears in the original image for several chapters/episodes. Overall I think the one I uploaded looks nicer in the article and should be used. What do you guys think? --Mandon (talk) 06:59, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

The original. Lighting is really the only issue with it and it's not so bad that it makes him look completely different. It better shows him as he is during the events of the series. You're right in saying that your upload has some higher quality aspects, but the fact that it is a flashback is important. If it was a flashback of Nagato a week ago in the sunshine that would be fine, but it's long enough ago that he is noticeably younger.--Soul reaper (talk) 08:14, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
The original as well, and has the same reasons as the one above. His appearance changed quiet a bit after he used the statue, and he have had that appearance all the way through Shippuden, even though we hardly saw him. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 09:13, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
The original. When people think Nagato they think emaciated cripple man in giant crab chair, not young healthy Ame ninja.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 10:47, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. There's a clear majority so that settles it. --Mandon (talk) 21:22, August 14, 2014 (UTC)

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