I'm confused, which Mizukage is Madara? First, Second, Third, Fourth? He didn't say which he was. Omnibender 15:15, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
My best guess, and I'm pretty sure that it's more or less confirmed, is that Madara was the Third. The Third was the one who was impressed by 7 Swordsmen of the Mist and established them as being elite. The Fourth was the one who disbanded The Seven Swordsmen and was corrupt and such, also the one that Zabuza attempted the coup d'etat at.
Kisame simply refers to him as "Mizukage", which I take to mean the Mizukage he was loyal to, The Third. AKLieu
What.
What is going on with this page, and why is there someone's random speculation here? I came on this page to find out what it is we know about the Mizukages now that Madara is one, and I can't tell what's right or wrong. It appears that it has all been made up, frankly. Has it been confirmed? Or invented? I can't rewrite it because it's so baffling.
Number of Kages
How do we know there are four? I don't remember that being stated.
--8th Mizukage 03:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Fanfiction
Most of this article is pure fan fiction. We know next to nothing about the Mizukage. We don't know how many Mizukage there have been. We don't know which Mizukage named the Seven Swordsmen. We don't know which Mizukage Madara was/is. We don't know any of this.
I'm going to remove all this fan cruft. If any one thinks I removed something that shouldn't have been removed, please show some evidence. --ShounenSuki 20:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
Zabuza's failure
Didn't Zabuza fail in assassinating the Mizukage? --ShounenSuki 23:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, when Kakashi is lecturing Zabuza when preparing the lightning blade, during the flashback, Kakashi mentions: "While you suceeded in assasinating the Mizukage, you failed to pull of an entire coup d'état on Kiri....". Though Zabuza failed in taking over Kiri, Kakashi says that that the Mizukage was definetly killed by Zabuza.Orochidayu 23:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- I scanned through the Zabuza fight, but all I could find was Kakashi saying "You who failed at assassinating the Mizukage and a coup d'etat [...]" (「水影暗殺…そしてクーデターに失敗したお前[...]」, "Mizukage ansatsu... soshite kūdetā ni shippai shita omae [...]"). It's slightly more ambiguous in Japanese than how I managed to translate it, but even so it's almost certain Zabuza failed to assassinate the Mizukage.
- If you have a more definite source, please tell me. --ShounenSuki 00:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Former?
Was it ever stated the Madara is no longer a Mizukage? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes. Although it was already implied by Kisame correcting himself to say Madara-san isntead of Mizukage-sama, in the tankōbon version of that chapter, he literally says "former Mizukage-sama". --ShounenSuki 23:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)