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== Jinchuriki Madara's Hair/skin color ==
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The Anime and Game already portrayed Madara's skin as white with a greenish tint and his hair as white, making it a lot more similar to Obito's Jinchuriki form than we tought, color wise at least, so why do you keep that dated picture with the red hair in his description when we know those colored chapters weren't official? Sasuke's Rinnegan and Naruto Six paths Senjutsu form were miscolored in those as well...--[[User:ClowR|ClowR]] ([[User talk:ClowR|talk]]) 04:25, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:I agree. That entire coloration of manga was wrong, we shouldn't be using it. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 04:29, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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::It's not the first time the anime has coloured things differently than the manga, although you have a point about the chapters not being official. Plus, Obito's hair turned white because he used [[Outer Path — Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique]] to resurrect Madara, like how Nagato's hair turned white when he used it to resurrect Konoha. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 05:09, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:::The issue is that neither source (coloured manga or anime) has any known involvement with Kishimoto. What tends to happen is that they do their own thing until Kishimoto's team releases their own coloured image, and then the anime either changes their depiction, or keeps their own one for the sake of consistency. Neither source is infallible and it's hard for us to say which is right and which is wrong when we've never seen Madara's Jinchuriki form coloured by Kishimoto's team.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 05:39, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I understand that the anime sometimes mistakenly color things, it's first depiction of the Rinnegan a prime example, however it's not like they're always wrong, besides I highly doubt Kishimoto is going to go back and draw a colored version of Madara's Jinchuriki form anytime soon, so we should just take what we can get and consider the anime depiction as official as it's gonna get, instead of waiting for something that may never come, in any case that colored picture in his description is wrong, I used to think it was not when I first saw it at the time, since it made Madara seem closer to Hagoromo, regardless, I like the fact that the anime team made it similar to Obito's form color wise, since it makes the Juubi Jinchuriki forms more consistent between it's two hosts.--[[User:ClowR|ClowR]] ([[User talk:ClowR|talk]]) 06:40, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::I think the digitally colored manga made Madara's hair color to match Hagoromo's since he was also the Ten-Tails Jinchūriki. But the problem with that is we're only seen Hagoromo's hair color after the Ten-Tails was unsealed from him, which afterwards would of turned his hair back to its normal color of red. Well at least that was the case with Madara's hair returning to black. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 07:49, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Yet Hagoromo's ghost still possessed the appearance of [[Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal]] and all the powers he had as the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki when he appeared to Naruto and Sasuke. [[User:Arawn 999|Arawn 999]] ([[User talk:Arawn 999|talk]]) 13:46, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::@Arawn 999, thing is we don't even know if Hagoromo ever used Coffin Seal, and he had this apperence before he became Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki -(chapter 680, Kaguya memory) ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:52, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:If the manga colourations are wrong, then remove them. I don't see how this discussion has anything to do with improving the article or the wiki either. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:02, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
   
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There's no reason for Madara's hair to be red. Kaguya's hair is white, Madara was jinchuuriki of her not Hagoromo--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:51, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Amaterasu ==
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== Rinnegan Subsection Pic ==
   
When was it stated in the manga that having Susanoo and Tsukuyomi automatically meant you had Amaterasu??? cause Madara and Obito both claimed to be able to use Tsukuyomi, and while it is true that both Sasuke and Itachi were able to use all 3 jutsu, Tobi showed surprise at Sasuke using Susanoo, even though he knew Sasuke had Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi....... Madara wasn't shown using Amaterasu yet so isn't him knowing just speculation??? those 3 jutsu being a package deal was never once stated as fact...... or am I wrong, cause if so, what chapter???
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Any chance we can get the previous Rinnegan pic for his subsection pertaining to this? Not sure why this was changed to begin with. Just curious.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 00:22, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 08:27, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
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:NVM :)--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 11:52, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
:It was stated in a databook.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 08:36, May 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== About Jutsu ==
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== TT Jinch collar color ==
   
This is mistaken or what? but I didn't see Susano'o as Madara Technique at Jutsu List, please fix it.[[Special:Contributions/203.201.173.210|203.201.173.210]] ([[User talk:203.201.173.210|talk]]) 04:52, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
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In the game and anime opening it's red, but in the anime episodes it seems black?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:58, July 2, 2015 (UTC)
:Infobox bug. No infobox is currently showing jutsu characters have only used in the manga, but that have already appeared in the anime being used by someone else. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:56, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== all paths techniques ==
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== TT Jinchuriki and the Otsutski clan ==
   
When Madara was about to train Obito, he told him he is gonna teach six paths technique, meaning shouldn't we list him as a user also of others besides Preta and Deva? Not to mention he ordered Obito to use that black rod meaning Outer one too--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:09, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm not certain if this is the appropriate section to inquire, so feel free to delete this if necessary. I've noticed that that Kinshiki has a flesh-like appendage similar to Madara's Jinchuriki form. Should info be included to indicate that there may be some correlation between the Otsutski clan and the Madara's form as the Ten Tails Jinchuriki?[[User:Lokker G|Lokker G]] ([[User talk:Lokker G|talk]]) 20:34, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
: I pondered on your inquiry for a while, and come to think of it, I agree. I mean, by priciple alone, we've added Monzaemon's respected puppet techniques and we added Izanagi to Madara. [[User:JaZZBaND|JaZZBaND]] ([[User talk:JaZZBaND|talk]]) 13:33, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:Of course there is, it's obvious. Pale skin, Byakugan, Rinnegan... but some things don't need to be stated, wait until they are officially confirmed, be patient. Until then, anyone is free to connect the dots.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 21:58, July 16, 2015 (UTC)
   
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== Final missing technique, that is all. ==
   
Madara knows and can use them all, so can Obito. I mean Obito taught Nagato all of the six paths techniques..... [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 20:52, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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There is one final technique that he is missing as part of his body modifications, it is called [[Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands]], since it enabled him to control the [[Tailed Beasts]] without any eye techniques, that is all. Is that final thing worth adding?--[[User:JustaNobody|JustaNobody]] ([[User talk:JustaNobody|talk]]) 17:58, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:Wanna provide a manga scan or reference an episode as proof?--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 18:00, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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I do not have explicit proof, but the enhancements seem to provide him with ability to control the tailed beasts, and just because he didn't use it all, does not mean he did not have it.--[[User:JustaNobody|JustaNobody]] ([[User talk:JustaNobody|talk]]) 18:06, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:That's not a nice logic you have there. Hey, lets add him as a Byakugan user. I mean, quoting you: just because he didn't use it all, does not mean he did not have it. Right? Oh and lets add Rasengan and Flying Thunder God as well. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:09, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::If you don't have explicit proof, don't add it. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 18:12, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Well in his defense guys, that logic is applicable in certain situations. This one though, not even close. There's nothing here that's even implied that Madara had access to this technique.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 18:14, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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::::He has a history of inserting false information (to Madara's article in particular). I just don't want him to do it again, otherwise, he'll just see more trouble, which I wouldn't like to see. But back to the topic, there isn't anything that even suggests he had the technique. So, unless there is any suggestion or proof, just don't add it. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 18:23, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
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== Kekkei Mora ==
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Not being an direct bloodline to Kaguya means his Rinne Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai not a Kekkei Mora--[[User:Keeptfighting|Keeptfighting]] ([[User talk:Keeptfighting|talk]]) 13:11, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:Was it ever stated that Madara's Rinne Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai?--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA<sup>20</sup>]]13:15, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::He doesn't have KKM characteristic if it's that's what you talking about. /. [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 13:16, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::The Rinne Sharingan has nothing to do with Kaguya's bloodline, lol. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:23, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Kekkei Mōra means '''Bloodline''' Encompassing. We saw her son having the Rinnegan. And indra became the Sharingan. Of course it has nothing to do with Bloodline.. Then of course KKM only for Kaguya and direct Bloodline, which isnt Madara. So his isnt a KKM but more a KKG which he got from being the TT-Jin. Like Four-Tails and Lava Release. One more example being the Byakugan, it is a KKM for Kaguya but not for the others, which means the first Byakugan was KKM but all the others werent. So it is with Madaras Rinne Sharingan.--[[User:Keeptfighting|Keeptfighting]] ([[User talk:Keeptfighting|talk]]) 11:12, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Kaguya didn't get the Rinne Sharingan through her '''Bloodline''' either, so by your logic, it shouldn't be a kekkei mora for her either. She acquired it almost the same way Madara did. Also, just because it says '''Bloodline''' in kekkei mora, it doesn't mean that it's '''Limited to the Bloodline'''. That would be a kekkei genkai. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:18, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
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::::::Lol not the same way with Madara. Madara didn't even acquired it. It was literally Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan popping out of Madara's forehead and when BZ "transformed" Madara into Kaguya - the eye was only thing that remained unchanged.(just check out chapter 680) Semantically we have two person as owners of same eye while both of them owning it simultaneously. If Bi will dance with his tentacles we won't say that he became octo-man or say that has tentacles(because who has them Hachibi) but this apparently thing with Madara and Rinne Sharingan. ./ [[User:Rage gtx|Rage gtx]] ([[User talk:Rage gtx|talk]]) 12:32, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::::Anyway her Rinne Sharingan is a KKM because she owns it like her Byakugan and any other Jutsu she use, while Madara is not a direct bloodline to her. So the Rinne Sharingan possessed by Madara cannot be a KKM.--[[User:Keeptfighting|Keeptfighting]] ([[User talk:Keeptfighting|talk]]) 13:55, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

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Jinchuriki Madara's Hair/skin color Edit

The Anime and Game already portrayed Madara's skin as white with a greenish tint and his hair as white, making it a lot more similar to Obito's Jinchuriki form than we tought, color wise at least, so why do you keep that dated picture with the red hair in his description when we know those colored chapters weren't official? Sasuke's Rinnegan and Naruto Six paths Senjutsu form were miscolored in those as well...--ClowR (talk) 04:25, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

I agree. That entire coloration of manga was wrong, we shouldn't be using it. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 04:29, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
It's not the first time the anime has coloured things differently than the manga, although you have a point about the chapters not being official. Plus, Obito's hair turned white because he used Outer Path — Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique to resurrect Madara, like how Nagato's hair turned white when he used it to resurrect Konoha. Arawn 999 (talk) 05:09, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
The issue is that neither source (coloured manga or anime) has any known involvement with Kishimoto. What tends to happen is that they do their own thing until Kishimoto's team releases their own coloured image, and then the anime either changes their depiction, or keeps their own one for the sake of consistency. Neither source is infallible and it's hard for us to say which is right and which is wrong when we've never seen Madara's Jinchuriki form coloured by Kishimoto's team.--Soul reaper (talk) 05:39, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
I understand that the anime sometimes mistakenly color things, it's first depiction of the Rinnegan a prime example, however it's not like they're always wrong, besides I highly doubt Kishimoto is going to go back and draw a colored version of Madara's Jinchuriki form anytime soon, so we should just take what we can get and consider the anime depiction as official as it's gonna get, instead of waiting for something that may never come, in any case that colored picture in his description is wrong, I used to think it was not when I first saw it at the time, since it made Madara seem closer to Hagoromo, regardless, I like the fact that the anime team made it similar to Obito's form color wise, since it makes the Juubi Jinchuriki forms more consistent between it's two hosts.--ClowR (talk) 06:40, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
I think the digitally colored manga made Madara's hair color to match Hagoromo's since he was also the Ten-Tails Jinchūriki. But the problem with that is we're only seen Hagoromo's hair color after the Ten-Tails was unsealed from him, which afterwards would of turned his hair back to its normal color of red. Well at least that was the case with Madara's hair returning to black. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 07:49, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
Yet Hagoromo's ghost still possessed the appearance of Six Paths Ten-Tails Coffin Seal and all the powers he had as the Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki when he appeared to Naruto and Sasuke. Arawn 999 (talk) 13:46, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
@Arawn 999, thing is we don't even know if Hagoromo ever used Coffin Seal, and he had this apperence before he became Ten-Tails' Jinchuriki -(chapter 680, Kaguya memory) ./ Rage gtx (talk) 13:52, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
If the manga colourations are wrong, then remove them. I don't see how this discussion has anything to do with improving the article or the wiki either. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 14:02, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

There's no reason for Madara's hair to be red. Kaguya's hair is white, Madara was jinchuuriki of her not Hagoromo--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 16:51, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

Rinnegan Subsection Pic Edit

Any chance we can get the previous Rinnegan pic for his subsection pertaining to this? Not sure why this was changed to begin with. Just curious.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 00:22, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

NVM :)--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 11:52, June 18, 2015 (UTC)

TT Jinch collar color Edit

In the game and anime opening it's red, but in the anime episodes it seems black?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 16:58, July 2, 2015 (UTC)

TT Jinchuriki and the Otsutski clan Edit

I'm not certain if this is the appropriate section to inquire, so feel free to delete this if necessary. I've noticed that that Kinshiki has a flesh-like appendage similar to Madara's Jinchuriki form. Should info be included to indicate that there may be some correlation between the Otsutski clan and the Madara's form as the Ten Tails Jinchuriki?Lokker G (talk) 20:34, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

Of course there is, it's obvious. Pale skin, Byakugan, Rinnegan... but some things don't need to be stated, wait until they are officially confirmed, be patient. Until then, anyone is free to connect the dots.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 21:58, July 16, 2015 (UTC)

Final missing technique, that is all. Edit

There is one final technique that he is missing as part of his body modifications, it is called Hokage-Style Sixty-Year-Old Technique — Kakuan Entering Society with Bliss-Bringing Hands, since it enabled him to control the Tailed Beasts without any eye techniques, that is all. Is that final thing worth adding?--JustaNobody (talk) 17:58, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Wanna provide a manga scan or reference an episode as proof?--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 18:00, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

I do not have explicit proof, but the enhancements seem to provide him with ability to control the tailed beasts, and just because he didn't use it all, does not mean he did not have it.--JustaNobody (talk) 18:06, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

That's not a nice logic you have there. Hey, lets add him as a Byakugan user. I mean, quoting you: just because he didn't use it all, does not mean he did not have it. Right? Oh and lets add Rasengan and Flying Thunder God as well. • Seelentau 愛 18:09, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
If you don't have explicit proof, don't add it. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 18:12, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
Well in his defense guys, that logic is applicable in certain situations. This one though, not even close. There's nothing here that's even implied that Madara had access to this technique.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 18:14, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
He has a history of inserting false information (to Madara's article in particular). I just don't want him to do it again, otherwise, he'll just see more trouble, which I wouldn't like to see. But back to the topic, there isn't anything that even suggests he had the technique. So, unless there is any suggestion or proof, just don't add it. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 18:23, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Kekkei Mora Edit

Not being an direct bloodline to Kaguya means his Rinne Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai not a Kekkei Mora--Keeptfighting (talk) 13:11, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

Was it ever stated that Madara's Rinne Sharingan is a Kekkei Genkai?--JOA2013:15, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
He doesn't have KKM characteristic if it's that's what you talking about. /. Rage gtx (talk) 13:16, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
The Rinne Sharingan has nothing to do with Kaguya's bloodline, lol. • Seelentau 愛 13:23, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
Kekkei Mōra means Bloodline Encompassing. We saw her son having the Rinnegan. And indra became the Sharingan. Of course it has nothing to do with Bloodline.. Then of course KKM only for Kaguya and direct Bloodline, which isnt Madara. So his isnt a KKM but more a KKG which he got from being the TT-Jin. Like Four-Tails and Lava Release. One more example being the Byakugan, it is a KKM for Kaguya but not for the others, which means the first Byakugan was KKM but all the others werent. So it is with Madaras Rinne Sharingan.--Keeptfighting (talk) 11:12, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
Kaguya didn't get the Rinne Sharingan through her Bloodline either, so by your logic, it shouldn't be a kekkei mora for her either. She acquired it almost the same way Madara did. Also, just because it says Bloodline in kekkei mora, it doesn't mean that it's Limited to the Bloodline. That would be a kekkei genkai. • Seelentau 愛 11:18, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
Lol not the same way with Madara. Madara didn't even acquired it. It was literally Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan popping out of Madara's forehead and when BZ "transformed" Madara into Kaguya - the eye was only thing that remained unchanged.(just check out chapter 680) Semantically we have two person as owners of same eye while both of them owning it simultaneously. If Bi will dance with his tentacles we won't say that he became octo-man or say that has tentacles(because who has them Hachibi) but this apparently thing with Madara and Rinne Sharingan. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 12:32, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
Anyway her Rinne Sharingan is a KKM because she owns it like her Byakugan and any other Jutsu she use, while Madara is not a direct bloodline to her. So the Rinne Sharingan possessed by Madara cannot be a KKM.--Keeptfighting (talk) 13:55, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

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