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Chakra, Round 2

Hi! I saw the lively discussion in the archive and would like to re-found it since I don't think it was discussed enough. That one guy was acting like an idiot but he has a clear point I think. Kurotsuchi puts more efforts in her attacks, so her chakra level must be noted as higher than average.93.200.253.156 (talk) 20:43, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

It's called perspective, full stop. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:26, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

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-==gender==
-She is obviously a girl. This is not Haku or Deidara. Even Kishimoto wouldn't give a guy fishnet stockings. Please {{unsigned|68.192.21.209|20:37, 4 July 2009 (UTC)}}
-:I'm sorry, but Kurotsuchi is apparently masculine enough to have his/her gender questioned. Unless you have clear, solid proof of Kurotsuchi's gender, it will remain as "unknown."
-:Please sign your posts next time. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 20:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
-::Apparent to whom might I ask? You? Then I question your ability to judge gender. Nobody believes she is man. She looks no more masculine than Temari. Again this is not Haku or Deidara. The girl has fishnet stockings for crying out loud! This is silly. [[Special:Contributions/68.192.21.209|68.192.21.209]] ([[User talk:68.192.21.209|talk]]) 00:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
-anyone notice that she has hyuuga-esque eyes?
-:::Some earlier editors apparently thought Kurotsuchi was a man, and to be honest, the only thing pointing to Kurotsuchi being a woman is the stockings thing. Not really solid proof, if you ask me. It can easily go either way, so it's best to keep it neutral right now. At least until there is some more evidence. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 00:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
-::::The fishnet, in my opinion, seems enough to support female. Regardless, this gender debate for people that apparently can only be decided if the character has breasts is starting to get annoying.
-::::Start pulling sources from other sites to draw conclusions. Anything will do, anywhere will do.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 01:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
-:::::Cause the part that's really ticking me off is that these always seem to be centered because the character whom seems female can't possibly BE female because they lack breasts. A anon's "our both right, we don't know but there's no breasts & Kurotsuchi is a male name" proves this.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 01:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
-Has no-one noticed that both [[Akatsuchi]] and the [[Tsuchikage]] are also wearing "fishnet stockings"? It proves nothing! - [[User:Ex Machinae|Ex Machinæ]] ([[User talk:Ex Machinae|talk]]) 00:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
+==Chakra, Round 2==
->> I SERIOUSLY hate Kishimoto for making characters that we can't tell  the gender off....until we get proof of the gender, because we know that Kishimoto can be strange like that, just keep it at gender unknown. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 01:53, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
+Hi! I saw the lively discussion in the archive and would like to re-found it since I don't think it was discussed enough. That one guy was acting like an idiot but he has a clear point I think. Kurotsuchi puts more efforts in her attacks, so her chakra level must be noted as higher than average.[[Special:Contributions/93.200.253.156|93.200.253.156]] ([[User talk:93.200.253.156|talk]]) 20:43, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
+:It's called perspective, full stop. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:26, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
-== Gender evidence ==
-I would like to bring forth some evidence pertaining to Kurotsuchi's gender. It might help solve this matter.
-# Kurotsuchi wears a skirt. This can be seen on page 1 of chapter 460;
-# Kurotsuchi's jacket shows curves around where the breasts would be. This is especially evident on page 14 of chapter 461;
-# Kurotsuchi uses {{translation|"atai"|アタイ}} as a first-person pronoun. This is a highly feminine pronoun used mainly by women in downtown Tokyo and the geisha quarters.
---[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 15:16, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
-:Works for me. What say you (other people not me or ShounenSuki).--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 15:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
-:I dont doubt ShounenSuki...--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 15:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
-:The pronoun one is good enough for me.[[User:Thatother1dude|Thatother1dude]] ([[User talk:Thatother1dude|talk]]) 16:29, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
-ShounenSuki is right. [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 09:55, September 9, 2009 (UTC).
-== Deidara ==
-I'm not familiar with Japanese honorifics and suffixes, but as far as I could see, Kurotsuchi referred to Deidara as Deidara-nii, which some have translated as brother. While there is a similarity of sorts, is there any truth in that translation? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:19, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
-:If I'm not mistaken, Japanese people sometimes calls others "big bro" or "big sis" as a sign of respect, even if they are not related. Not sure though. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 16:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
-::Kurotsuchi does indeed refer to Deidara as {{translation|Deidara-nii|デイダラ兄|Big bro Deidara}}. However this doesn't necessarily imply they are sibling. It just means that Deidara is older than Kurotsuchi and they were, in a way, close. Hinata calls Neji big brother as well, and Naruto calls Shizune big sister. It's possible they were siblings, but there's no way to be sure right now. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 17:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
-== Family relations ==
-Is she really Tsuchikage's granddaugter, or did she just call him 'gramps' because he's old and they have a familiar relationship? I'm under the impression it was the latter. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 08:46, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
-:I doubt they are actually related. They don't act like grandfather and granddaughter. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 14:27, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
-Does she or does she not have hyuga eyes?--[[User:SkyFlicker|SkyFlicker]] ([[User talk:SkyFlicker|talk]]) 14:36, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
-:I'm pretty sure she doesn't. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 08:14, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
-::look in the picture, she has no pupils, they look like the byakugan.--[[User:SkyFlicker|SkyFlicker]] ([[User talk:SkyFlicker|talk]]) 21:51, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
-:::Anko and Ino don't have pupils either. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 22:26, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
-::I just got pwnd lol--[[User:SkyFlicker|SkyFlicker]] ([[User talk:SkyFlicker|talk]]) 00:15, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
-alot of people call old people gramps,granny,ect naruto even use it on chiyo and Tsunade [[User:Linkdarkside|Linkdarkside]] ([[User talk:Linkdarkside|talk]]) 19:28, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
-no, she is indeed his granddaughter. -bryan wrath, march 19, 2011
-:It helps a lot to read the post date of a comment you're replying to, that was you won't comment on a post 1 year and ~4 months too late... ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 02:02, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
-==Element?==
-I am quite sure that she has earth element.  If you look at the bottom middle of the scan, you can see a defensive(almost hemispherical) shape which most likely defended her against the pillars falling when Sasuke used his Susano'o. http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/468/11/  [[User:Shikamaru1994|Shikamaru1994]] ([[User talk:Shikamaru1994|talk]]) 22:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)Shikamaru1994[[User:Shikamaru1994|Shikamaru1994]] ([[User talk:Shikamaru1994|talk]]) 22:20, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
-:You can't assure that it's an earth based technique! Could be the combination of two elements, her own kekei genkai... we'll have to wait til she fight against someone. Or should we write something like a trivia or speculation?? --[[User:Kiba91|Kiba91]] ([[User talk:Kiba91|talk]]) 21:57, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
-:Probably should refer somewhere in the article, because she is doing something to defend herself...  [[User:Shikamaru1994|Shikamaru1994]] ([[User talk:Shikamaru1994|talk]]) 01:58, October 19, 2009 (UTC)Shikamaru1994
-::"creates a dome to protect herself from falling debris." '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:44, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
-== By Default, 2 Bloodline Limits ==
-If a person has an elemental bloodline limit, then that person can only use the elements that makes them up. Yamato explained this. So if she has lava release (fire and earth release), and ALSO water release, would she not then be forced to have a second elemental limit, that includes water as well? Or do no rules in the Naruto universe apply to her?
-:Yamato never said a person with an elemental bloodline can only do the two elements that make up that bloodline. At least, not as far as I remember. Do you have a source? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 19:47, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-::If it is true, it should be mentioned in chapter 316, pages 5-8. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 20:30, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-:::I don't remember that either. All we know is that if you have an advanced nature, you automatically have access to the basic natures that make it up, they never said anything about being limited to those natures. Nothing says someone with an advanced nature kekkei genkai can't independently develop another nature. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:24, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-::::I believe it was mentioned in 316, ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksko6Vzsm ) when Naruto wonders if Yamato has three elements (earth, water, wood) Yamato replies that. "[he] only [has] access to earth and water based jutsu" so his wood element can't really be considered a third element. We also see other people, the fifth Mizukage being a perfect example. having two, said that she can use earth, water, and fire which compose her to bloodline limits. We have never seen ANYONE else EVER use more then the elements that make up their bloodline limit (Danzo only had access to wood element by having part of the first Hokage implanted into his arm, which was the only place he could use wood, and he only used wind though the parts of the body that did not have the Hokage cells) --[[User:Dragon Hacker|Dragon Hacker]] ([[User talk:Dragon Hacker|talk]]) 23:42, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::That might have more to do with the fact it's extremely difficult to master so many elements, rather than it being impossible or anything. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 23:49, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-::::::Yeah, just because Yamato didn't try mastering another element it doesn't he couldn't if he tried. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:02, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Kurotsuchi could of only focused on the Lava style in terms of Element Fusions. We don't know what else she trained her self in so adding in other element fusions she hasn't admitted to have or display is speculation. Its like adding in Wood element for the Mizukage just cause she has the prerequisite elements.We add case by case as by going by the Tc's logic the Mizukage should have 3 element fusions as she has the elements needed for Wood but as we seen its up to the individual ninja on what they learn and merge(within their ability).[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 00:24, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-::: saying she has more then one elemental fusion at this time is speculation, but the above example is a bad one because no one would speculate the mizukage has the wood element. She does not have the dna of the first hokage like Danzo and Yamato both have.[[User:Darthwin|Darthwin]] ([[User talk:Darthwin|talk]]) 14:55, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-::I'd just like to add that element fusions (or advanced nature transformations) can not be trained (at least in respect to obtaining them) but are instead a genetic trait passed down through specific clans, as noted within Chapter 316. Now just as a person who possesses both the earth and water elements necessary for wood releases is incapable of simultaneously utilizing both of them to generate the advanced nature in question due to their lack of the required DNA, Kurosutchi herself may not be able to use another advanced nature purely because it isn't part of her bloodline, despite having the relevant elements. It also isn't unheard of a person at this level possessing three natures (e.g. [[Kakashi Hatake]]), so it isn't unreasonable that Kurosutchi can manipulate three elements but that it is ultimately her genetics which decide what if any combinations can be created. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 17:15, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-:Yes. It's the first example we've seen, outside of Danzo's artificially implanted kekkei genkai, of a user having both an element-combination kekkei genkai and a third element besides. The odd thing that strikes me is that it's not the same as her grandfather. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 17:27, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-::The entire Lava Release thing is very weird. It started out as a Tailed Beast ability connected with Iwa, then it suddenly also became a Kiri kekkei genkai, and now it also became an Iwa kekkei genkai. I sincerely wonder how Kishimoto-sensei is going to tie this all together. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 17:36, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-:::My bet is that the same combinations can simply occur independently, they don't have to be related. Especially as each Lava user seems to have a different set of jutsu, it may be each kekkei genkai is a unique variant. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 17:53, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
-:I know it sounded like I Was saying they should have Wood but all I was pointing out that saying is flawed using teh Tc's argument.Besides didn't Kisame say its rare to see them outside Kekkei Genkai? So even if a person can do it outside bloodlines it seems to be through artificial means(biju,dna implant).I say issue resolved.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 05:52, October 25, 2010 (UTC)
-::i suppose he's assuming that because they can use the same base elements that they can probably have the same kekkei genkai. A lot of people share the same basic chakra nature that doesn't mean that everyone can combine the two to form a new element however. --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 23:15, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
-== Kekkei Genkai Relations ==
-If Kurotsuchi has this Kekkei Genkai, and Mei has this Kekkei Genkai, then (weird expiriments) dosn't that mean that they must be related?  They both have something that is unique to a certain bloodline, so they both must be of that bloodline.  If they are both of the same bloodline, then that also means there is the potential that they have a common descent from someone with the Boil Release Kekkei Genkai.  Kurotsuchi also has Dust Release Kekkei Genkai within her bloodline, though she may or may not have the actual Kekkei Genkai.  This also means there is the potential that they both have common descent from someone with the Dust Release Kekkei Genkai.  This has got to be some seriously weird family tree.[[User:SkyFlicker|SkyFlicker]] ([[User talk:SkyFlicker|talk]]) 09:20, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
-:While it's essentially the same kekkei genkai the kanji for each is written differently one has the radical for fire and the other for water which could just  mean that unrelated people may be able to use the same kekkei genkai but with different elemental base compositions.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 09:26, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
-::Or they simply could share an ancestor from before the ninja villages were established. We don't know if Kurotsuchi has Dust Release, having a relative with the kekkei genkai doesn't automatically mean you have a kekkei genkai. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:28, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
-:::I know this, I'm just saying that she has the potential to have it, as well as a possible potential for Boil[[User:SkyFlicker|SkyFlicker]] ([[User talk:SkyFlicker|talk]]) 22:18, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Just because they share a lava bloodline does not mean they share boil too. Boil could have worked into Mei's family long after lava split between Iwa and Kiri. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 23:09, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
-== Image ==
-Can we add a new anime image of her now?[[User:Fishboy144|Fishboy144]] ([[User talk:Fishboy144|talk]]) 22:08, February 17, 2011 (UTC)Fishboy144
-:I've always thought it was colored manga > anime images.. ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 22:10, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
-They changed it so that if the anime is okay we use the anime instead of the colored manga. So I think someone needs to put one in there.[[User:Fishboy144|Fishboy144]] ([[User talk:Fishboy144|talk]]) 22:24, February 17, 2011 (UTC)Fishboy144
-== Infobox ==
-Okay this infobox picture switching back and forth needs to stop. How about we just put the anime picture in the infobox and we put the colored manga next to her appearance? Does that sound good?[[User:Fishboy144|Fishboy144]] ([[User talk:Fishboy144|talk]]) 02:15, February 18, 2011 (UTC)Fishboy
-:Uhmm.. no? The colored manga image is much more clear and detailed than the anime one. Besides, your image does not contain the proper licence and rationale tags, making it unusable in articles. ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 02:18, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-::Not really friend. We aim to give '''accurate depictions'''. Putting an image of Kurotsuchi with black eyes when we have a perfectly good one of her with the correct eye color isn't very accurate now is it? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez☺]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 02:20, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-Okay, but could we atleast put up a picture of her that says "Kurotsuchi in the anime" like next to her appearance? If not okay but I just thought we should atleast have one image of her clearly in the anime.[[User:Fishboy144|Fishboy144]] ([[User talk:Fishboy144|talk]]) 02:24, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-:Cerez I was actually referring to [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kurotsuchi_2.jpg this one], not [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Kurotsuchi4.png this one]. The current one is fine, the other one had no licence and rationale. ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 02:25, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-Do we have a properly licensed image showing her from head to toe? If so, we can add that to the appearance section, like we've done with many other characters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:27, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-WEll I submitted one but I'm not sure that it works, and also I tried to read about how to license and make it rationale and everything, but I don't quite understand how to do it. Also we could do what ahppened with Konan's infobox because its like exactly the same situation but that is just a suggestion.[[User:Fishboy144|Fishboy144]] ([[User talk:Fishboy144|talk]]) 02:38, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-:[http://oi55.tinypic.com/5d5sgo.jpg This] is the only one available through out the episode, not that good, but better than some I've seen. ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 02:54, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-Okay well we'll jusst keep it there until a better one comes up.[[User:Fishboy144|Fishboy144]] ([[User talk:Fishboy144|talk]]) 02:58, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-Somehow in all of this I got confused. Is it that we keep the anime image there with the wrong eyes or the manga image with the correct eye color? Because i lost track of whatever "it" is referring to--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez☺]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 03:10, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
-:Please change the poor quality image of the manga by the image of the anime. That of Hanzo should also be changed, it makes the whole not very clean and mixed with images of poor quality. [[User:Itachou|Itachou]] <sup>[[User talk:Itachou|[~talk~]]]</sup> 18:39, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
-::They portray the characters incorrectly. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:42, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
-::Yes sir! Right away! But if you check again and it isn't changed keep refreshing your page!--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez☺]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 18:43, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
-the anime isnt completly wrong. she has light brown/pink eyes in the manga i know and black eyes in the anime but it is still official cuz the anime isnt a fan made thing or anything like that. besides, how unclear is it to use a manga image? if anyone hates the anime so much why dont they put up a manga image for narutos profile then? putting on a manga image just doesnt fit in with the rest of the wiki. who said her eyes were wrong? i know the anime is based on the manga and all but they make a few changes in the anime and so what? its not wrong. hey just edited a few things. {{unsigned|94.192.150.201}}
-== Flight Technique ==
-In chapter 514 she appears to be floating in the air for quite a while. Is this the [[Flight Technique]]? --[[User:Yamanaka Ino|Yamanaka Ino]] ([[User talk:Yamanaka Ino|talk]]) 00:27, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
-:If you read that article, you'll see that Onoki can transfer flight to others. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 00:31, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
-== Gender confusion trivia ==
-Is it really necessary? Deidara's gender was also unclear, IIRC, but he does not have any trivia note about it, besides, not ''all'' fans were confused about Kurotsuchi's gender (or did I miss something and it was really mass confusion?). Also, she isn't like [[Ameyuri Ringo]], whose gender is still unknown. --[[User:Kiadony|kiadony]] 09:35, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
-:I agree I never thought she was a dude.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:56, July 29, 2011 (UTC)
-== Trivia ==
-I just wanted to ask why my edit got deleted. I think mentioning that she speaks a Northern Japanese dialect is all right. ShadowoftheDarkness 19:32, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:Firstly I can't verify if what you're saying is true. Secondly I don't think that's necessary- don't other characters speak in other variants of the Japanese dialect?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:21, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-It is right. You can also ask Shounensuki or Seelentau. She speaks in a northern dialect. Yes, there are also some other characters who speak in other variants of the Japanese dialects. For example, Fukasaku speaks in a Hiroshima Dialect.Well, in this Wiki, you´re superior to me, so it´s up to you. ShadowoftheDarkness 22:41, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:I'm not superior to you friend. I just think that something like that would have to be mentioned for <u>everybody</u> then it'd just become a hassle.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:48, October  14, 2011 (UTC)
-Well, I think you are. You´ve achieved more than me in this Wiki, as well as being a member for a longer time. Not to mention your status and your high number of edits you made. As I said, it might be necessary. Same goes for Fukasaku, Gamabunta etc. I´ll ask my Japanese teacher. If there are too many, we skip it. ShadowoftheDarkness 21:08, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:Still just an editor like you. I personally think it's unnecessary but that's just me. You never know, other might find it relevant.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]]
-::If the dialect she's speaks in can be verified, I see no harm in adding it, specially if there are some pronunciation particularities that are also present and discernible in the manga. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:12, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-:::I haven't really noticed Kurotsuchi speaking in any particular dialect. She uses {{translation|'atai'|アタイ}} as a first-person pronoun, making her sound rather rude and immature, but that's about it. Deidara uses {{translation|'oira'|オイラ}}, if I'm not mistaken, which is somewhat associated with the northern dialects, but is mostly used to give a character a country-bumpkinish flair. On the other hand, Akatsuchi uses {{translation|'wai'|ワイ}}, I believe, which comes from the Kyōto–Ōsaka region. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 22:59, October 14, 2011 (UTC)
-== chakra ==
-should we include anything about her possible high chakra reserves. It was kind of alluded to in 612, with the way she was giving a lot more quicklime then the other shinobi. [[User:sleuther|sleuther]] ([[User talk:sleuther|talk]]) 2:57 December 15, 2012 (UTC)
-: Hello. [[User:sleuther|sleuther]] ([[User talk:sleuther|talk]]) 3:20 December 15, 2012 (UTC)
-::I see no such difference in the amount of quicklime she provided. Even her being in the foreground of that panel doesn't make it look like she's spewing more quicklime. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:08, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
-::: you see where her stream of quicklime shows escalation spikes or maybe reduction spikes, whatever. and normally if she wasn't shelling out gravity dictates those spikes wouldn't be there; as they are not with the other two visible streams. also, while all the other shinobi's cheek don't have cheek lines, her cheeks look as though they will explode with chakra. [[User:sleuther|sleuther]] ([[User talk:sleuther|talk]]) 12:25 December 15, 2012 (UTC)
-I can see it now:
-{{Quote|Kurotsuchi has a high chakra reserve witnessed when she and other [members of her  clan] used the [[Lava Release: Quicklime Congealing Technique]], she gave a lot more quicklime that the other shinobi. Also, her cheeks were going to "explode with chakra" while the other guys had lines in their cheeks}} And of course we can't forget to add our references.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:56, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
-: No, no, the other shinobi have NO cheek lines, that is a drastic difference regarding the chakra level of one person! xD Heck, I really did laugh because of this![[Special:Contributions/94.135.247.37|94.135.247.37]] ([[User talk:94.135.247.37|talk]]) 15:28, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
-::Oh dear my mistake. Well that's what the community is for~ While we're at it, we should call out that lazy Sarutobi as well (fourth one from the right) his cheeks weren't going to explode with chakra like the other hard-working ones.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:35, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
-I see the panel they're talking about. She's puffing out her cheeks. Which could imply she's blowing harder, that she's in the foreground so Kishi decided to draw that line and not bother with the dudes farther back or perhaps that she actually needs to try harder to perform this technique than the others implying the opposite of what you're saying. Honestly, there's nothing here to imply Kurotsuchi has a lotta chakra, just a lot of hot air. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 15:40, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
-Oh ok, she's just trying harder than the other shinobi, that's why. you know manga artists are getting sloppier and sloppier. if she is just struggling with the jutsu, something like a sweat drop, or some shaking, a nerve poping out would have been nice. you know something like we've seen chapter after chapter now, with naruto, kakashi, guy, etc. seriously all she looks is PO'ed. Really, blowing. i never new the breathing process played such a large role in the spitting out elemental attacks. i; maybe, can see like a 'last little bit in the toothpaste tube' situation, but clearly she was consistently giving just as much (IF NOT MORE) than all the other shinobi. Either they must have super lungs and it just wasn't explained or we can all just assume that everyone is taking deep breaths off print. But lets not refer to the picture below that one, that shows that at least on her side there was no shortage of cement, nor the one where she was shown using that move against kabuto like a pro. Heck lets just not include the reasoning, that she has just been in a war like everyone else, that the other main character like darui are showing signs of low chakra (based on the number of his lazers being significantly reduce. maybe why he need sakura's chakra; Cerez! And yet; Cerez, based on the other users you can tell he has high chakra) and Shee (that is why, you don't see any lighting this time). But no lets just assume that every iwagakure cement user; that has made it this far, has the same chakra control. Or no how about we assume that some of them just didn't really want to subdue the juubi, so they only put as much effort in as everyone else. Yup; Cerez, she was good enough to be a body guard because she has a slightly useful water attack and she is Onoki's granddaughter. But no, i forget that illustrators spend painstaking time and effort to draw such minor things; to depict physics, so that we may disregard them instead of use them to ruffly measure things like speed, strength, etc. But hey, if Cerez can only give an objective opinion on chakra levels when some character exclaims "what chakra levels!" or if someone happens to summon Gamabunta, go ahead and need someone to lead you by the nose all the time. i bet you think that teachers aren't enough; we need mathematicians there to assure children that two plus two invariably equals four. [[User:sleuther|sleuther]] ([[User talk:sleuther|talk]]) 2:37 December 18, 2012 (UTC)
-Hey Cerez. It's too bad we can't claim that Tsunade has large chakra reserves, because Jiraiya has yet to push her down a chasm; forcing her to summon Gamabunta. Hah; well, move to France and eat some frog appendages, buddy. i bet you'd regard them as a delicacy. [[User:sleuther|sleuther]] ([[User talk:sleuther|talk]]) 3:10 December 18, 2012 (UTC)
-:can one consider them as a delicacy if they make one's cheeks explode with taste? xD
-:no seriously, what you are talking about makes no sense. and it seems like you use every talkpage you can take to state what you don't like about this wiki. use the forum next time, or dicuss on some user talk pages, but not here.[[Special:Contributions/94.135.247.37|94.135.247.37]] ([[User talk:94.135.247.37|talk]]) 09:07, December 18, 2012 (UTC)
-::what are you talking about. When a manga artist depicts tree limbs moving, it's not because he is trying to make them 'dancing trees'. It's because of wind, idiot. Maybe its because i don't want to read a manga where everyone's power levels are the same if they can't summon some giant animal. especially if they're not background character (You ever think there can be subtle and simple differences just based on that. They aren't main characters but they aren't background so there has to be some difference.) Her jutsu was the only one showing fluctuations spikes. And its not like she was there using it for hours before her teammates chipped in. They release chakra from their mouths. Maybe it builds up. i highly doubt they puff out their cheeks because it's fashionable. [[User:sleuther|sleuther]] ([[User talk:sleuther|talk]]) 4:26 December 18, 2012 (UTC)