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Source and Speculation

First of all what is the source for this type of jutsu? Why do we think that in Naruto world they classify techniques with swords as a separate Jutsu type? If there are sources for this they should be referenced.

Secondly, if this all is canonical, then here are some facts:

1.Taijutsu is hand-to-hand combat, without weapons, source is here: http://www.mangareader.net/93-5-3/naruto/chapter-5.html unless it's a mistranslation.
2.Techniques that use ninja tools are considered Ninjutsu, examples: Manipulating Windmill Triple Blades, Manipulated Shuriken Technique (or Genjutsu in some cases: Demon Flute: Phantom Sound Chains).
3.Swords are considered ninja tools.

All those facts together imply that all kenjutsu are ninjutsu, but we list some of kenjutsu (which don't use chakra flow or chakra in general) as either being taijutsu (Kimimaro's dances of the camelia and willow, Toad Sword Beheading) or being neither taijutsu nor ninjutsu (Cloud-Style Crescent Moon/Front/Reverse beheading, Seven Swords Dance)--Erik1310 (talk) 10:55, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

The source of this type of jutsu is reality, methinks. Kenjutsu is the common Japanese word for techniques involving swords. I do believe the term has been used numerous times in the manga, as well. As for your points:
  1. You're right, taijutsu is unarmed, hand-to-hand combat.
  2. You're right, techniques based on ninja tools are generally ninjutsu.
  3. You're right, swords are ninja tools, as are all other weapons.
However, Kimimaro's dances are taijutsu, as he used only his own body. He's a special case. Gamabunta's Toad Sword Beheading was listed as taijutsu in the second databook, but I have a feeling that was a mistake. the techniques listed as neither taijutsu nor ninjutsu should, of course, be listed as ninjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 11:14, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Though now I'm thinking, should those Dances even be considered kenjutsu, since Kimimaro technically only uses his own body. Well in Dance of the Camellia he creates something like a sword, but in Dance of the Willow he uses spikes protruding from his own body.--Erik1310 (talk) 11:39, December 23, 2010 (UTC)
That's a very good question, actually... —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 12:04, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Taijutsu or not

Could we solve this please? If every technique in the naruto verse is either Tai, Nin or Genjutsu, then what are Kenjutsu? In the German NP, we list them as Taijutsu, but they really aren't that, are they? But as far as I know, Ninjutsu are only the techniques were Chakra is used, right? And we don't need to talk about Genjutsu, I guess... so, what're we gonna do with this? Seelentau 愛 16:42, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Not really, there's plenty of chakra-less Ninjutsu, like general Shurikenjutsu etc. But I like to convince myself as well that Kenjutsu is a sub-category of Taijutsu ^_ sadly it isn't, because here is where it gets tricky: elemental chakra can be channeled through tools, meaning Cloud-Style Flame Beheading as an example is no way Taijutsu.--Elveonora (talk) 16:56, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

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