Talk:Kekkei Mōra

4 to 6 Elements?

Considering Obito was able to perform Truth-Seeking Spheres which Hiruzen determined to only consist of Four Elements... And the Truth-Seeking Spheres being a Kekkei Mora... Isnt it possible that a Kekkei Mora is possible with only Four Elements? Especially since Obito's were also usable without even Yin-Yang Release, and Naruto's without Yin Release. This to me seems to suggest Kekkei Mora is possible with at least 4 elements, and further stabilizing with every subsequently acquired element and regaining more of its powers. Skarrj (talk) 05:27, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Sarutobi didn't say "only four natures", but "at least". • Seelentau 愛 ^議 09:33, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Also only Kaguya's TSB was stated to consist of all natures, thus only hers should be considered Kekkei Mora, as there's no evidence every user's TSB are all natures--Elveonora (talk) 10:40, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto and others

This discussion is closed.

There's no evidence theirs use all natures. Kekkei Mora was ever only attributed to Kaguya. Black Zetsu described it as "Expansion Truth-Seeking Ball of Bloodline Encompassing" if Naruto, Obito and Madara's TSB had used Kekkei Mora, theirs would have been described as such too, or rather it would be redundant to describe Kaguya's as of Kekkei Mora if the others' were the same.--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 15:33, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

The new databook that's coming out next month should finally clear this mess.(Kuroiraikou (talk) 15:39, October 11, 2014 (UTC))

Nope. Not doing this again Elvenora. Until proven otherwise nothing is changing. Considering this the only warning. You know I don't warn twice.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 15:44, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Kekkei Mōra in template code

Could someone of sysops or admninistration tell me if it's possible to create a same line in infobox for Kekkei Mōra, like in case of Kekkei Genkai and Kekkei Tōta ? Has this idea been mentioned before ? KazuyaTalk to Me 20:15, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

It's already enabled. You need to add it manually, though. ~SnapperTo 20:33, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

I don't think so my Friend. I tried to add line to Kaguya's infobox source and it never appeared :/ KazuyaTalk to Me 03:16, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

??? ~SnapperTo 04:36, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Misunderstanding

I don't understand. Why are we suddenly classifing many jutsus as kekkei Mora? Like Amenominaka for example? Did the 4th databook state that? I thought Kekkei Mora were jutsus composed of the five basic natures. Also, Isn't the 4th databook going to come tomorrow? Why do we have some references on it? Like Sasuke's and Kaguya's techniques names.--KILLERBEE479 (talk) 16:15, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

It comes from a preview. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 16:19, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

TSB

Is there a reason for deleting the TSB from the article? o.ô • Seelentau 愛 ^議 04:45, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Well, don't we list the Blaze Release nature (the genetic mutation) under the Kekkei Genkai article? We don't list Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi (the result/jutsu) in the KG article. Didn't you say the TSB is the result/jutsu? Rather the TSB has an unknown nature and an unknown genetic mutation? That unspecified nature should be in the KM article. • WindStar7125 _[Mod] 04:54, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, you're right. I keep forgetting that^^ • Seelentau 愛 ^議 04:55, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully the databook gives us that unspecified nature. ^_^ I think Snapper2 speculated in a thread that it would be called "Truth Release" or something. XD • WindStar7125 _[Mod] 04:58, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

I still think those techniques should be mentioned in the article, one way or another. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 19:31, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Do what you want, then. :P • WindStar7125 _[Mod] 20:22, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Shikotsumyaku??

According to the Fourth Databook, can we list it in Kekkei Mōra, not Kekkei Genkai?--Sulina (talk) 07:29, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

What does it say?--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 18:26, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

I think according to FF-Suzaku, All-Killing Ash Bones is a KKM, not Shikotsumyaku. • WindStar7125 _[Mod] 18:35, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

so how is it?

Jin no Sho gives Kaguya only a Kekkei Mora label, but no Kekkei Genkai, am I right? But she has Byakugan, which is Kekkei Genkai, so is her Byakugan Kekkei Mora somehow? In that case, she does have Shikotsumyaku, but a Kekkei Mora version of it. But if we list her as Byakugan user then so should we as user of Shikotsumyaku. I know she is currently listed as a user of both Byakugan and Shikotsumyaku, but somehow wanted to remove them with the reasoning that Jin no Sho doesn't list her or so--Elve _[Mod] ^{Talk Page|Contribs} 21:25, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

Agree i think there must be KKM versions of Bones and Byakugan for Kaguya. ./ Rage gtx (talk) 22:48, November 15, 2014 (UTC)

She is no user of the Shikotsumyaku. Her bone technique was described as being different and much stronger. Her Byakugan, on the other hand, was simply called Byakugan and there's nothing that indicates that it is a Kekkei Mora. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 03:00, November 16, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo is in the same position, is he not? He has a kekkei genkai (Rinnegan) but is only stated to have kekkei mora (unknown) in the databook. Truth-Seeking Ball not being a kekkei mora really complicates things.--BeyondRed (talk) 05:03, November 16, 2014 (UTC)