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'''<big>For previous discussions about this technique, see [[Talk:Space–Time Migration]].</big>'''
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== Not Sure ==
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I'm not sure it's quite right to say that there's a contradiction between Madara's and Obito's ability with Kamui while being the Jubi's host. Madara didn't use the intangibility version, but the overt barrier transportation. The part where Obito realized he couldn't use it was in a situation of the sort where he would usually use the "intangibility" usage of the technique. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 05:48, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Unless I'm mistaken, Obito never said he couldn't "travel through dimensions" as the article claims, but actually said he couldn't slip through things anymore. If true, there's no contradiction at all and the article should be changed.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 06:10, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::I agree, although perhaps Seelentau or someone had access to the raws, and that's what it said. Maybe we should ask him? :) [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 06:16, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Yes. He says somewhat like "with the TT in me, slipping through isn't possible anymore, huh? How irritating". Of course this means Kamui's ability to let things slip through. However! That is also a dimension traveling. Stating that Obito (and likely Madara) can't use Kamui as the TT's host is wrong. Stating that they can't use part of Kamui is correct. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 08:22, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Then I guess it's better to change the wording of the trivia a little…--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 09:39, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::So I get it TT host can transport himself and others to the Kamui world, but can't send there parts of himself? Doesn't make much sense to me why would full body work but parts not, but ok Kishi--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:38, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Maybe because he can't teleport the part of the TT that's hit, since it's too much chakra...? Dunno, this is what I'd call plot, even though I despise using that word. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:02, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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Based on completely nothing, I would assume that as the Ten-Tails jinchuriki, the phasing part (instantaneous sending parts of his body to the other dimension) doesn't work, but he can send himself to the other dimension if he desired (as shown by Madara). Why is anyone's guess, but yeah. There ya go.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:27, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:He can't "split" parts of his body between dimensions, but he can wholly transfer from one dimension to the other. It reeks of plot device either way.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 15:44, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Similar to Madara ==
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==Chapter 685 - New Info on Kamui==
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We've already noted what Kamui can do when a user has one of the eyes. Now we know what they can do when the user has ''both eyes''. Obito was shown to use them simultaneously to:
   
Very similar to Madara uchicha's technique but on a lower level.
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One: Create two Kamui at the same time -- Obito used his left eye Kakashi had to create a long-ranged Kamui that connected with Kaguya's portal, then used his right eye to create a short-ranged Kamui to teleport himself, Naruto's clone and Sakura, and connected both Kamui together to teleport to Kaguya's core dimension.
*Not necessarily the same technquine, speculative to say anything other than they're both space-time ninjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:39, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
 
   
Reply: I also noted that, i think there's a relaton between those techniques, remember that tobi told him once not to bother using it against him. There are just two facts of why he told him that... the technique is similar to the one he uses or he just as a sharingan usar knows how to avoid it.{{unsigned|190.10.138.68}}
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Two: Create a combined (the original) Kamui with both eyes -- Obito used both eyes to create a larger Kamui portal that is both long-ranged and short-ranged. It even looked different when Obito used both eyes. Proof of this is that the dimension Sasuke was in was a long distance away, as noted by Obito himself, but the portal was a short distance away from both the user (Obito) and the target (Sasuke).
   
== loss of eyesight ==
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So yeah, I think we should state in the article what happens when a user of Kamui has both eyes. Any objections? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 01:30, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:Nope. I also support that the latest Kamui is the original, true Kamui which Obito would've used all the time if he had two eyes his whole life. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:23, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::Alright. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 19:00, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I believe the portal creation is already in the article. Unless you mean to reformat the article to accommodate what we know both eyes can do together.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:02, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Yes. That's what I meant. I'll do it shortly. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 19:13, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I'm not entirely against that. I am in agreement with Seel. What Obito recently displayed is likely the true Kamui. What we've seen up until now is just what they were capable of with one eye each, but we all know that the "true" power of a Mangekyō Sharingan technique can only be used when the user has both eyes. Both Madara and Obito have flat out said that. Perhaps we could reformat it based on this new information? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:14, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Done. By the way, can someone insert images for the "Both Eyes" section? Like a simple picture for the combined, original Kamui, and a slideshow of images to show the process of Obito using both the long-range and short-range Kamui and the connection of them to get to Kaguya's core dimension? It would really help. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 19:43, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
does kakashi suffer the same side affect of using the mangekyou sharingan? does he gradually lose his eyesight? [[Special:Contributions/75.2.217.57|75.2.217.57]] ([[User talk:75.2.217.57|talk]]) 07:46, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
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Thanx for the image. Do whatever cleanup you want. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 20:01, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
:According to Third Databook translation by [[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]], 'The "Mangekyou Sharingan" is a doujutsu that, with continuous usage, burdens the user with the loss of their eyesight. Since this is the source of "Kamui," using it in rapid succession puts Kakashi's body at risk as well.' So maybe he *is* losing his eyesight, it's just that his character isn't as dramatic as Sasuke's or Itachi's so Kishimoto doesn't emphasize this. --[[User:Kiadony|Kiadony]] ([[User talk:Kiadony|talk]]) 11:33, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
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:Gonna make that slideshow. Please don't delete the images I upload. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 01:30, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
::That, OR Kakashi, by having received his sharingan eye from Obito, instead of it being his own eye since he was born, got him a different form of Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, without it having any "greater" powers, like Madara's, but still keeping his vision when using the Mangekyo Sharingan techniques. [[User:Bruxacosmica|Bruxacosmica]] [[User_talk:Bruxacosmica|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 21:42, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
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::A slideshow isn't needed. The images are displayed fine as they are now. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:32, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Eh... we'll make it work. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 03:13, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::::'''In the nexus space:'''
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::::All moments of the Opening were from a ''“right launch”'', or a ''left''. Never at the same time from both.
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::::'''LEFTY EYE EVENT''' [http://i62.tinypic.com/rvv8me.png] ..holds left eye from agony inflicted[http://imgur.com/rOpJxih]
   
== Name ==
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::::'''RIGHTY EYE EVENT''' <snip - no> [http://i62.tinypic.com/hug3o9.png]
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::::Only to make the aperture deeply splayed, wider for Sasuke to physically traverse when opened-- did a left or right give the other eye which built an opening some leg up.
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::::''Those'', along with the first insertion of bunshin Naruto and Sakura, were at best the lone instances nearing simultaneous. At no time did he employ both Mangekyo to simultaneouly build the aperture while in the nexus. Only to make it '''not''' unravel rapidly.
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::::Also to note: Long-visual kamui and the other was a one-time open-point system to fly into her Space. Not connected to the hole they dug into the fabrics to find which had Sasuke
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::::Touch up on that article a bit, would you fellas. --[[User:Gantta|Gantta]] ([[User talk:Gantta|talk]]) 01:31, July 18, 2014 (UTC)Gantta
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:::::/shrug seems valid enough. Thoughts from others?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:05, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Meh... can you explain why the Kamui looked different? I, along with Tau and Foxie believe that's the True Kamui with both eyes. Obito and Madara confirmed that the true power of the Mangekyo lies with both eyes. But Whatever the majority says I'm fine with. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 01:16, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
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No... On page 8 <snip - no>, when Sakura recognized the place and Obito claimed he couldn't sense Sasuke after finding the lava dimension, both eyes were bleeding, before finding the sea of acid. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 03:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:Can we stop linking to illegal images and scanlation sites? It's against the rules, thanks. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::I can only probably re-iterate.
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::Task of delaying the aperture from rapid unravel caused that bloody eye discharge from ''right eye''. It was still his '''left''' that made the opening as of pg 8 - which Oozed blood as well. By the time they dialed into the space Sasuke was contained in, Roles had switched up:
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::'Opening' to Right, while the left readily followed to make the portal that was already up more sustainable.
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::line-up within the nexus '''again''':
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::'''*'''First PORTAL creation attempt, Kamui's onomatopoeia ズズズズズズ was syndicated to Obito's “left eye” exclusively.
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::'''*'''ズキン zukin; consistent with the “left eye” he covered in agony.[http://imgur.com/uvIST4P]
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::'''*'''Close up of ギン-gin-/glare was associated with the right <snip - no> now making the opening and not the left.
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::Many 2chan posters too were quick on the trigger. --[[User:Gantta|Gantta]] ([[User talk:Gantta|talk]]) 18:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)Gantta
   
When was this technique named in the mange? I've only read the Viz translations, so did it get left out? Or was it in a databook?--[[User:Enoki911|Enoki911]] ([[User talk:Enoki911|talk]]) 05:57, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
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My bad Spey. I'll stop. And bloody eye discharge on the right eye? What Uchiha has focused a technique on one eye and had "bloody eye discharge" on the other? As we've seen with all Uchiha, the eye(s) bleed if a technique is overexerted on it/both. As clearly shown on page 8, that Kamui required and used ''both'' eyes. That's why ''both'' bled. You can't argue with the manga. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 20:10, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
Third databook.[[User:Saimaroimaru|Saimaroimaru]] ([[User talk:Saimaroimaru|talk]]) 07:09, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
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== Doubts about changes and additions to the Trivia section ==
   
== Third databook ==
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I wanted know your opinion about these changes/addition to the trivia section of the page:
   
Third databook (kamui entry) says "If one spends a lot of time and trains one's chakra over and over again, this technique can be invoked" ([http://forums.narutofan.com/showpost.php?p=22993515&postcount=291 link]). Shouldnt it be mentioned in article? [[User:Honza8D|Honza8D]] ([[User talk:Honza8D|talk]])
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'''1)''' Currently the trivia state: "Unlike other Mangekyō Sharingan users, Obito's continuous usage of Kamui does not seem to cause his eyesight to deteriorate." However during Obito and Sakura's rescue for Sasuke opening the portals in the various Kaguya's dimensions, we saw clearly how also Obito's eyes started to bleed. So far the bleeding of the sharingan is always been associated to the deteriorating of the eyesight with the only exception of Amaterasu's usage (indeed Sasuke bleed even owning an Eternal MS). So should we delete the triva having seen something that potentially could be an evidence of the opposite case?
   
: I would think so. I'll add it to the trivia, and if anyone finds anything wrong with it, they can remove it. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Ten Tailed Fox does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ryun Uchiha]]<small> (Ten Tailed Fox, Getsueikirite-taichou)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Ten Tailed Fox|talk]])</sup> 15:09, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
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'''2)''' During the first meeting between young Obito and Madara, the latter stated how it was incredible that Obito remained alive despite the fall of the cave, "just as if he had been able to slip through the rocks" is the expression used by Madara. The line seems to want hint that Obito was already able to use the property of Kamui that he will use istinctively during Rin's death, and even Madara' statement to want awaken the potential of Obito that he owned according to his intuition could be in agreement with the explanation that Obito had already manifested the powers of the MS (in his death he was regretting the missing of Rin and Kakashi, just as he declares with his last lines in the gaiden). Do you think that would be right to state in the trivia (here or eventually in Obito's page) how the manga could hint to a such development?--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 21:44, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 
That was stated in the context of Kakashi learning the technique.[[User:NoJutsu|NoJutsu]] ([[User talk:NoJutsu|talk]]) 20:43, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Barrier? ==
 
 
Doesn't this technique just collapse a point in space that Kakashi focuses on? Where did it say he creates a barrier? Does it mean he creates a barrier around his targeted object and then have the barrier teleport away? Is that what it means? [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] 08:33, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:[[User:ShounenSuki/Third Databook Translations#Kamui (pp. 240–241)]]. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 08:43, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
::So should it be classified as [[Kekkai Ninjutsu]]?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 19:50, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::From what I understand from the translation a barrier is created then Kamui takes effect in that area. So i suppose it is a kekkai ninjutsu--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 20:38, January 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Where does this move come in Ultimate ninja 5? [[User:EzioLover|EzioLover]] ([[User talk:EzioLover|talk]]) 23:15, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Isn't the barrier just limiting the area of effect of Kamui? It's not like it restricts things from entering/exiting it unlike all of the other Barriers. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 23:20, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Tobi ==
 
Tobi can use this too. {{unsigned|184.58.148.93}}
 
:It was being discussed [[Talk:Tobi#Tobi's Kamui?|here]]. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 08:19, August 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
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The template is f***ing up, but I have no idea how to fix it. Can someone familiar with the code look at it?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:47, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I cant see anything wrong with it. Maybe it was fixed before I am posting this. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 03:31, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
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:::But its alright now, right? {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 04:59, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
infoboxs don't display correctly in monobook so you have to switch to wiki's skin. {{unsigned|108.174.54.237}}
 
 
== Why Only One Aspect Can Be Used At Once ==
 
 
Tobi can't remain "intangible" while absorbing something, otherwise the object will still collide into him in the other dimension, no? Is that too much of a stretch of speculation? He either sends himself or the object, but not both, because that's pointless. I was thinking that this was part of Kakashi's reasoning for realizing that the two techniques were both the same technique, but too much speculation? --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 01:19, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No idea, but welcome back GoDai ;D people are still confused with the whole Konan/Kakashi explanations--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:42, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Because if his entire body is in the other dimension he can't absorb things that are outside the other dimension, so his intangible image can't absorb stuff because he is actually existing in the other dimension. --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 12:21, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== New Information ==
 
 
[[Madara]] implied that [[Obito]] [[Kamui|phased]] through the [[Earth Release: Rock Lodging Destruction|rocks]]. He says "I don't know how that rock didn't crush you. It's almost as if you were able to slip away from it...". I don't think we can safely say that Tobi's technique is [[Mangekyo Sharingan]] unique. I think we should change it back to the [[Sharingan|normal sharingan]] until we have absolute proof it is unique to MS or even the fully mature Sharingan. [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 10:42, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Traumatic experiences tend to awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:50, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
His sharingan wasn't fully matured, he couldn't have awoken it. [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]])
 
 
As far as I can see, nothing on this wiki says that the Sharingan needs to be at the 3 tomoe stage to evolve, it's unlikely that it's awoken at that point since everyone else needed to feel the pain of a loved one dying or killing them yourself, we've seen Obito using his teleporting ability with just the sharingan.[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 11:13, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
He might have used Earth Release to phase or something, and if it was Kamui, then he might have felt a loss of close ones as he was about to "die" also unless there's a reference for that, where's a proof that a Sharingan needs to me 3 tomoe in order to be able to unlock Mangekyou?? What if a 1-2 tomoe kills his best friend/relative?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:50, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Since we now know Obito awakened his Mangekyō Sharingan when he witnessed Rin die how did he "slip away" from the rock? --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 12:23, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
:We don't know... Madara was just making an assumption of what happened.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:33, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Derived Jutsu mentioned twice ==
 
 
On the Infobar, the Fire Release Jutsu is mentioned twice. It might just be a glitch, rather than human error, though...
 
--[[User:ScruffyC|ScruffyC]] ([[User talk:ScruffyC|talk]]) 06:34, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It is. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:02, October 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== A Suspension Bridge to Peace (episode) ==
 
 
In the episode A Suspension Bridge to Peace obito is seen using kamui with normal sharingan? --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 00:46, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes, there is a clip of him doing that with an ordinary Sharingan in the anime, but in the manga chapters for the same fight, it is not present, meaning that is anime-only occurrence. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:49, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:That's not exactly true. There is a distinct close-up panel of Tobi utilizing Kamui during his battle with Konan, but there is no visible Sharingan design nor pupil at all. --[[User:Uchiha Suraku|Uchiha Suraku]] ([[User talk:Uchiha Suraku|talk]]) 01:46, October 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Chapter 606 ==
 
 
From Chapter 606 it seems kamui is activated whenever obito's mangekyō is activated so instead of obito activating the mangekyō then activating kamui when he activates the mangekyō kamui activates instantaneously I think this because he tried to touch rin and at first phased through her... and I don't think he had the intention of phasing through her only to touch her. So my conclusion is whenever the mangekyō is activated kamui is activated and he is solid until something something is hitting him in which it phases through in instead I don't think he chooses when to activate kamui and when to deactivate it. --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 12:32, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:That would mean that Obito's body is constantly existing in another world, which I don't think is accurate. It would appear that it's simply because he just developed his abilities, he was unable to control the phasing. That, and the fact that Kishimoto did it for "dramatics".--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:43, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No I mean the jutsu is activated at the same time as the mangekyō but he is solid... until something hits him he instead phases through it... so activated but solid when nothing is through him --[[Special:Contributions/82.39.201.72|82.39.201.72]] ([[User talk:82.39.201.72|talk]]) 13:03, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:If that were the case, he wouldn't have been able to kill all those Kiri-nin as his Mangekyo was activated the entire time. What we saw was, when no longer in a fit of rage, he didn't have full control of the phasing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:57, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Contradiction ==
 
 
Okay, so he has to have his whole body solid in order to attack, right? But when he defends, he can send a part of his body and still remain solid? We know that he's still in the real dimension, as we can see him, and the part that overlaps is the part that is gone? Isn't this a contradiction? Also, when he transports himself, doesn't he have to become solid to go to the other dimension ,why doesn't he just do it the faster way, like when he encountered naruto's tailed beast ball?--[[User:Asian711|Asian711]] ([[User talk:Asian711|talk]]) 20:50, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
It all sounds weird, we will need a databook to clarify more, same for Izanagi. Kishi isn't good when it comes to explanations--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:05, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I think that the explanations are very simple and logical, but offcourse are just suppositions until a confirmation from the databook or the manga. About the first question: Obito's kamui probably is able to teleport in the other dimensions ''every part'' of his body ''just in the moment'' that is overlapped by something of solid in the Earth's dimension. Probably Obito can just activate or not the jutsu, but he hasn't no direct control on what part of his body "make intangible".
 
 
:About the second question, Obito's "intagibility" permits him to transfer in the other dimensions the part of his body that comes in contact with something, but just until the contact continue. Probably he is unable to stay in the other dimensions, but he must necessarily "return" to the Earth's dimension, in the exact point where he was when he became intangible. Contrarily, when he teleport himself ("soliding himself") the process is more slow, but he is able to remain in the other dimension, and overall the advantage is that he can then teleport himself in what point of the Earth he want (without return in the same from where he disappeared). When he travel from a point A to a point C of the world (for example from the forest where was present the Konoha's squad of 8 people to the place of Sasuke's battle with Itachi), seems likely that actually he telport himself before to a point B present in the other dimensions, and just from there he goes to the point C on the Earth.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 22:28, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
He has two states, Intangible and Tangible. When in the Intangible state he will phase through anything that touches him. Even if he is the one touching the object. Lets say he is phasing through a punch, he can't counter while phasing because IF he did, his fist would phase through the person unless he released the intangible state. Get it? He can't choose to selectively phase. While in the state he doesnt have to be in the [[Other Dimension]] but will be warped there on contact with something physical. It's complicated. But by looking at when Guy used the roundhouse kick against him while he was trying to grab naruto, it's easy to see. He phases through Naruto because his whole body was in the tangible state despite him just doing so to phase the kick aimed at his head. [[User:Skarrj|Skarrj]] ([[User talk:Skarrj|talk]]) 15:38, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Nice work Skarrj with that example of Naruto and Gai, you have found an evidence to my assumptions. Tobi can decide what part of his body selectively phase.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 16:54, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:: You mean he CANNOT. Either he's completely solid, or completely impervious. While he's in the impervious mode, any object that will come in contact with his body will phase through it, while the body part being phased through will be made manifest in the other dimension. Obito cannot have his head in impervious mode, but arms in solid mode, for example. [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 18:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Kakashi's Usage ==
 
 
Kakashi has now seemingly demonstrated use of Obito's variation of Kamui on both himself and Eight-Tails. Should the article be rewritten and just split into teleportation and intangibility now, with Kakashi's long-range barrier included in the former?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 14:52, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
*: As you said; teleporting and intangibility are to different things, but Kakashi has yet to actually show intangibility. Until he does show it, I think it should remain the same. 09:58, Steveo920, November 20, 2012
 
 
*:: He didn't mean intangibility, he meant sucking stuff into your eye, then releasing it later. With a swirlin suction pattern. Kakashi couldn't do that before, now he can. Just like Obito. He hasn't shown intangibility yet, but he has shown close-range Kamui. I would construct the article in a way that separates only intangibility and teleportation, citing Obito's teleportation aspect as the primary one, and later adding Kakashi's long-range aspect, unseen in Obito. [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 17:50, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Everything that Kakashi has done has been mentioned. So what needs to change? Kakashi, unlike Obito is still able to warp away stuff without physical contact, so to me at least, Kakashi isn't using it in any way he hadn't before now except that now he knows he can bring stuff back to the real world or actually has a need to unlike before (warping away Deidara's body part(s) and an explosion).--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:53, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I agree, and to put it in other words, obito needs to touch a person or something to warp something away whearas kakashi only needs to focus on the target with his eye to warp the target away, clear statement. --[[User:Naruto6paths|Naruto6paths]] ([[User talk:Naruto6paths|talk]]) 20:01, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I just found out something, since the right eye uses intangibility and the left eye uses the teleporation barrier, their both additions since both eyes uses that spiral teleporation. I think we should set it up were we separate teleporation barrier and intangibility because there additions to the teleporation of each eye. And since both Obito and Kakashi used teleporation, we should seperate it into teleporation.--[[User:Droidkaju|Droidkaju]] ([[User talk:Droidkaju|talk]]) 03:02, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I agree with Droidkaju, while the current version not say incorrect info, the article was written keeping in mind a certain outclassed difference between the Kakashi's and Obito's kamui, when seemed that the power of the copy ninja was less similar to Obito's one: the partition of the paragraphs is an evidence of it. So I'm of the opinion that should be written in a different form similar to the suggestions done to making the understanding much more clear.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 13:31, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Literal english name ==
 
Penis of the Gods. Is that refering to the organ? Because I do not understand.--[[User:Axel Carrozzo|Axel Carrozzo]] ([[User talk:Axel Carrozzo|talk]]) 21:33, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Someone vandalised the page. I don't know why you're seeing that, since I reverted that edit about 20 minutes ago. And please stop putting so many lines between the section title and your comment, it makes the page look hideous. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:42, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
 

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I'm not sure it's quite right to say that there's a contradiction between Madara's and Obito's ability with Kamui while being the Jubi's host. Madara didn't use the intangibility version, but the overt barrier transportation. The part where Obito realized he couldn't use it was in a situation of the sort where he would usually use the "intangibility" usage of the technique. Skitts (talk) 05:48, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, Obito never said he couldn't "travel through dimensions" as the article claims, but actually said he couldn't slip through things anymore. If true, there's no contradiction at all and the article should be changed.--BeyondRed (talk) 06:10, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
I agree, although perhaps Seelentau or someone had access to the raws, and that's what it said. Maybe we should ask him? :) Skitts (talk) 06:16, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Yes. He says somewhat like "with the TT in me, slipping through isn't possible anymore, huh? How irritating". Of course this means Kamui's ability to let things slip through. However! That is also a dimension traveling. Stating that Obito (and likely Madara) can't use Kamui as the TT's host is wrong. Stating that they can't use part of Kamui is correct. • Seelentau 愛 08:22, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Then I guess it's better to change the wording of the trivia a little…--JOA20 (talk) 09:39, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
So I get it TT host can transport himself and others to the Kamui world, but can't send there parts of himself? Doesn't make much sense to me why would full body work but parts not, but ok Kishi--Elveonora (talk) 12:38, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Maybe because he can't teleport the part of the TT that's hit, since it's too much chakra...? Dunno, this is what I'd call plot, even though I despise using that word. • Seelentau 愛 13:02, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Based on completely nothing, I would assume that as the Ten-Tails jinchuriki, the phasing part (instantaneous sending parts of his body to the other dimension) doesn't work, but he can send himself to the other dimension if he desired (as shown by Madara). Why is anyone's guess, but yeah. There ya go.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 14:27, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

He can't "split" parts of his body between dimensions, but he can wholly transfer from one dimension to the other. It reeks of plot device either way.--JOA20 (talk) 15:44, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 685 - New Info on KamuiEdit

We've already noted what Kamui can do when a user has one of the eyes. Now we know what they can do when the user has both eyes. Obito was shown to use them simultaneously to:

One: Create two Kamui at the same time -- Obito used his left eye Kakashi had to create a long-ranged Kamui that connected with Kaguya's portal, then used his right eye to create a short-ranged Kamui to teleport himself, Naruto's clone and Sakura, and connected both Kamui together to teleport to Kaguya's core dimension.

Two: Create a combined (the original) Kamui with both eyes -- Obito used both eyes to create a larger Kamui portal that is both long-ranged and short-ranged. It even looked different when Obito used both eyes. Proof of this is that the dimension Sasuke was in was a long distance away, as noted by Obito himself, but the portal was a short distance away from both the user (Obito) and the target (Sasuke).

So yeah, I think we should state in the article what happens when a user of Kamui has both eyes. Any objections? WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 01:30, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Nope. I also support that the latest Kamui is the original, true Kamui which Obito would've used all the time if he had two eyes his whole life. • Seelentau 愛 09:23, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
Alright. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 19:00, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
I believe the portal creation is already in the article. Unless you mean to reformat the article to accommodate what we know both eyes can do together.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 19:02, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
Yes. That's what I meant. I'll do it shortly. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 19:13, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not entirely against that. I am in agreement with Seel. What Obito recently displayed is likely the true Kamui. What we've seen up until now is just what they were capable of with one eye each, but we all know that the "true" power of a Mangekyō Sharingan technique can only be used when the user has both eyes. Both Madara and Obito have flat out said that. Perhaps we could reformat it based on this new information? ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 19:14, July 16, 2014 (UTC)
Done. By the way, can someone insert images for the "Both Eyes" section? Like a simple picture for the combined, original Kamui, and a slideshow of images to show the process of Obito using both the long-range and short-range Kamui and the connection of them to get to Kaguya's core dimension? It would really help. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 19:43, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Thanx for the image. Do whatever cleanup you want. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 20:01, July 16, 2014 (UTC)

Gonna make that slideshow. Please don't delete the images I upload. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 01:30, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
A slideshow isn't needed. The images are displayed fine as they are now. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 01:32, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
Eh... we'll make it work. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 03:13, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
In the nexus space:
All moments of the Opening were from a “right launch”, or a left. Never at the same time from both.
LEFTY EYE EVENT [1] ..holds left eye from agony inflicted[2]
RIGHTY EYE EVENT <snip - no> [3]
Only to make the aperture deeply splayed, wider for Sasuke to physically traverse when opened-- did a left or right give the other eye which built an opening some leg up.
Those, along with the first insertion of bunshin Naruto and Sakura, were at best the lone instances nearing simultaneous. At no time did he employ both Mangekyo to simultaneouly build the aperture while in the nexus. Only to make it not unravel rapidly.
Also to note: Long-visual kamui and the other was a one-time open-point system to fly into her Space. Not connected to the hole they dug into the fabrics to find which had Sasuke
Touch up on that article a bit, would you fellas. --Gantta (talk) 01:31, July 18, 2014 (UTC)Gantta
/shrug seems valid enough. Thoughts from others?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 00:05, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
Meh... can you explain why the Kamui looked different? I, along with Tau and Foxie believe that's the True Kamui with both eyes. Obito and Madara confirmed that the true power of the Mangekyo lies with both eyes. But Whatever the majority says I'm fine with. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 01:16, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

No... On page 8 <snip - no>, when Sakura recognized the place and Obito claimed he couldn't sense Sasuke after finding the lava dimension, both eyes were bleeding, before finding the sea of acid. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 03:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

Can we stop linking to illegal images and scanlation sites? It's against the rules, thanks. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 14:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)
I can only probably re-iterate.
Task of delaying the aperture from rapid unravel caused that bloody eye discharge from right eye. It was still his left that made the opening as of pg 8 - which Oozed blood as well. By the time they dialed into the space Sasuke was contained in, Roles had switched up:
'Opening' to Right, while the left readily followed to make the portal that was already up more sustainable.
line-up within the nexus again:
*First PORTAL creation attempt, Kamui's onomatopoeia ズズズズズズ was syndicated to Obito's “left eye” exclusively.
*ズキン zukin; consistent with the “left eye” he covered in agony.[4]
*Close up of ギン-gin-/glare was associated with the right <snip - no> now making the opening and not the left.
Many 2chan posters too were quick on the trigger. --Gantta (talk) 18:23, July 20, 2014 (UTC)Gantta

My bad Spey. I'll stop. And bloody eye discharge on the right eye? What Uchiha has focused a technique on one eye and had "bloody eye discharge" on the other? As we've seen with all Uchiha, the eye(s) bleed if a technique is overexerted on it/both. As clearly shown on page 8, that Kamui required and used both eyes. That's why both bled. You can't argue with the manga. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 20:10, July 20, 2014 (UTC)

Doubts about changes and additions to the Trivia section Edit

I wanted know your opinion about these changes/addition to the trivia section of the page:

1) Currently the trivia state: "Unlike other Mangekyō Sharingan users, Obito's continuous usage of Kamui does not seem to cause his eyesight to deteriorate." However during Obito and Sakura's rescue for Sasuke opening the portals in the various Kaguya's dimensions, we saw clearly how also Obito's eyes started to bleed. So far the bleeding of the sharingan is always been associated to the deteriorating of the eyesight with the only exception of Amaterasu's usage (indeed Sasuke bleed even owning an Eternal MS). So should we delete the triva having seen something that potentially could be an evidence of the opposite case?

2) During the first meeting between young Obito and Madara, the latter stated how it was incredible that Obito remained alive despite the fall of the cave, "just as if he had been able to slip through the rocks" is the expression used by Madara. The line seems to want hint that Obito was already able to use the property of Kamui that he will use istinctively during Rin's death, and even Madara' statement to want awaken the potential of Obito that he owned according to his intuition could be in agreement with the explanation that Obito had already manifested the powers of the MS (in his death he was regretting the missing of Rin and Kakashi, just as he declares with his last lines in the gaiden). Do you think that would be right to state in the trivia (here or eventually in Obito's page) how the manga could hint to a such development?--JK88 (talk) 21:44, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

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