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== English Voice actor ==
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==Real age and Physical age==
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Why does he look 30-40 butin fact he is 91 . you could add in the '''Apperance''' content that he physically is 30-40 .Reply please.
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[[User:Dalia0002|Dalia0002]] ([[User talk:Dalia0002|talk]]) 16:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
   
I don't re-call him speaking in the english episode 135. I could be wrong, but if i remember it was Zetzu (both sides= Michael Sorich and Brian beacock), kisame, deidara and Pein and thats it, but i'm not sure, anyone can show me a video of where he is speaking and what exact time it is --[[User:AMTNinja|AMTNinja]] 17:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
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== Kakuzu's 4th Mask ==
   
In the English dub, the Akatsuki meeting goes like this: (Below shows the Akatsuki member, the supposed English VA, and the lines they speak)
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Kakuzu notably has one of his Masks/Hearts destroyed but afterwards he uses both Earth and Water styles afterwards, I also must note that a lot of Jonin also have up to 2 Chakra natures, Kakuzu being much much older then the average Jonin could have easily have developed a second Chakra nature so this could make up for the fact he use water and earth release after he lost his (Presumably water nature due to him not using an incredibly powerful water release move and just a simple water shield and clone, while he retained an extremely powerful earth release ability, Kakashi also stating how he needs to have a nature's specific affinity to perform the powerful techniques) heart. Just stating this to stop a few anomalies and suggest this information be put into the article. [[User:DragonOfDagon|DragonOfDagon]] ([[User talk:DragonOfDagon|talk]]) 23:05, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Kisame - Kirk Thornton: "Heh, how long's it been since we've all come together like this?"
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:There's really nothing suggesting the fourth mask was the source of Kakuzu's Earth Release. It's true that he never used Earth Spear after losing it, but he had no reason to, with Kakashi having the technique's weakness. Shikaku (I believe) actually called Kakuzu an earth user during the war. The mask should be listed as having an unknown affinity to avoid any speculation.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 23:21, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hidan - Skip Stellrecht?: "Seven years, not since Orochimaru left us."
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::Kakuzu did use Earth Spear after he lost the mask, he used it momentarily in an attempt to kill Choji, I was implying that the mask could be his water mask as he never used a powerful water technique unless the water wall/clone is considerable, either way I'm just saying that it could be added that he might be adept in water style as he never used a powerful technique with it but still use water jutsu. [[User:DragonOfDagon|DragonOfDagon]] ([[User talk:DragonOfDagon|talk]]) 05:33, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You should only take the manga into consideration, water was anime-only I believe--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:17, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
(yay) Kakuzu - Paul St. Peter?: "And now Orochimaru has the Sharingan."
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For what it's worth (not much), Ultimate Ninja Impact actually has unlockable cards for all of Kakuzu's masks and calls the light blue one "Water Mask". Not saying that has any canon value, but it's more than can be said for it being an "Earth Mask". Maybe trivia worthy?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 19:09, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sasori (in Hiruko) - Michael Sorich: "Is that true Itachi? Your little brother?"
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This "earth mask" issue has been brought up several times over the years, but it never gets resolved. Can we finally do something about this?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 23:40, March 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Itachi - Crispin Freeman: (Dosn't speak)
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== Water Release ==
   
Deidara - Quinton Flynn: "Don't be impatient un.We'll deal with our old friend un." Orochimaru, in time (muses softly?). We only have three years in which to prepare, and we all know what we need to do to be ready, right? (chuckles softly)"
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Wasn't Kakuzu fifth heart (stored in his body) the water heart? Not just considering the anime, but also the manga, in chapter 339 Kakashi informs Naruto as he can use all the 5 nature types.
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[[User:Gerisama|Gerisama]] ([[User talk:Gerisama|talk]]) 11:38, April 14, 2014 (UTC)gerisama
   
Nagato - Dave Wittenberg: "Of course, no mistakes. Remember what we seek: '''everything''', including the Nine-Tailed Fox!"
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Seeing as the mentality of this wiki's users has changed over the time, I'd like to apply the following simple logical conclusion to this topic:
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:His fire mask was the one with the '''red''' marking.
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:His lightning mask the one with the '''yellow''' marking.
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:His wind mask the one with the '''dark blue''' marking.
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Now, which colour would every human being relate to earth? That's right, '''brown'''. Did Kakuzu have a '''brown''' mask? No. But wait, the only other element that's left is water and a mask with a '''light blue''' colour. Coincidentally, water is often depicted as being '''light blue'''. Could it be... could it really be that Kakuzu's last mask is the water mask? :O [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:18, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:The main argument for it being an earth mask is, if I'm not mistaken, the fact he didn't use Earth Spear after the first mask was destroyed. He used it in the anime, but not in the manga. Manga vs anime shenanigans ensue. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:44, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::Well, in that case, I counter with "Kakuzu realised it was pointless to use Doton against Kakashi, a Raiton user". [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:55, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
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Chakra natures aren't dependant on having specific genetics though, so even if Kakuzu did lose an earth-natured heart, he'd still have the knowledge and experience to use Earth Release. We don't even know for sure if the chakra natures used by the masks were determined by the heart stored in them. Kakuzu's Lightning Mask still used Lightning Release during the war, despite having a different heart. Either that's a coincidence, or which heart is in which mask is irrelevant and each mask just has a certain element it can use regardless.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 23:58, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, it was stated that the natures come from the hearts. I don't know about the masks, but their existence isn't a result of Jiongu. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:05, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
''episode ends''
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:From what we've learned and understand from all the information over the years, is that you are incorrect. Chakra natures are dependent on having specific genetics. Do I mean hereditary? No, but a person's body is naturally aligned with certain elements which gives rise to affinities. So what Kakazu would do, I'm assuming, is find a heart that naturally leans towards certain elements so the masks are more powerful. You are right though in that it may not have to be a heart's affinity, since despite that -- everyone can learn every nature. It's just that a body leans to one more than others. It could be a Raiton affinity heart in a Doton mask. But the more logical conclusion is that it is incorrect. As for the war segment, we'd have to look into it. Do you happen to have a chapter # where you saw it? I don't remember that specific incident. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 14:45, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::I... didn't really understand what you're saying. As far as I know, Kakuzu stole a heart to gain access to whatever affinity that heart's original owner had. That's how he was able to use all chakra natures, despite him having only mastered one - which Doton, as I explained above. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:00, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
That's all I've able to conclude. If you want to see for yourself, watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPF69KEBp-M [[User:Orochidayu|Orochidayu]] 04:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
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::Affinities are dependent on genetics, but just using natures is not. Kakuzu stole peoples' affinities, allowing him to more easily learn every nature. My point was that nothing says Kakuzu loses the ability to use a nature when he loses a heart with its affinity. That's an assumption, but the fact that the masks used the same natures in the war despite having different hearts raises the possibility that each mask has a specific predetermined nature it uses, regardless of what heart is inside it. What I mean is, Kakuzu ''maybe'' losing his earth affinity heart shouldn't stop him from using Earth Spear, so it isn't proof that the fourth mask had an earth affinity. The mask could very well be a water mask (as the colour strongly implies), but the truth is that we don't know for sure what nature it used.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 15:33, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::"Affinities are dependent on genetics, but just using natures is not. Kakuzu stole peoples' affinities, allowing him to more easily learn every nature. My point was that nothing says Kakuzu loses the ability to use a nature when he loses a heart with its affinity" Pretty much this. It's impossible to lose "the ability" to use a nature, because it isn't even an ability but skill/knowledge "how to" more or less. The only way to loose it would be to become senile or something. EDIT: a good comparison is also the Rinnegan. Ripping the eyes outta of Nagato's skull wouldn't disable him to use all natures, since he had mastered them already.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:48, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Actually, Hidan is not present during that meeting. Instead there's some dude as big as a mountain (assumed to be Kakuzu's previous partner). [[User:Apex Predator|Apex Predator]] ([[User talk:Apex Predator|talk]]) 21:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
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You can't compare that. According to the databook, Kakuzu steals the hearts of other people and takes in their respective natures. It's only logical that if the respective heart is destroyed, he won't be able to use its nature anymore. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau ]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 16:52, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
==Naming==
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@Seelentau -- What did you not understand? I also had agreed with you, and still do. Perhaps if you pinpoint what lacks clarity, I can help you understand my meaning. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 17:27, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
I've read elsewhere (in Killer Bee's Lariat technique article and other places) that Kakuzu's techniques have a unique naming convention where the moves names are forced with alternate meanings or something. Could that be added to the article, because I've never heard a full explanation of this. Could it be added here or in the technique articles?[[User:Rayfire|Rayfire]] ([[User talk:Rayfire|talk]]) 15:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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:@Seelentau, so, by that reasoning and what manga has shown, I still see no wrong in Kakuzu having his first mask destroyed and no longer using Earth Spear meaning that the mask had an earth heart. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:28, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::I do not see an inherent flaw with this logic, unless I'd have to go read all the relevant chapters again. That said, was there a point at which Kakuzu didn't use Earth Spear? I admit my memory surrounding his is EXTREMELY fragile currently, but would it be possible his "main" heart would be the Earth? Or was his "main" heart every mask? Sorry, just a sudden thought about if Doton is Kakazu's affinity. I def need to read them again. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 17:38, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Omni-kun, I say his last mask is the water mask simply because of its colour. I have no other "proof". [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:43, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::::In the war, Kakuzu was referred to as an Earth Release user. It isn't absolute proof, but it certainly implies he can use Earth on his own.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 17:46, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::::I believe in Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 (where you have to collect cards), each of Kakuzu's masks have a card, at least the Water One does, and it is called a Water Mask.--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 17:49, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Ah, yes. He is described as someone who uses Doton when he already released his mask. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:20, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== over all power ==
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::::::I will like to add that after Kakuzu's first heart was destroyed, Earth Spear still remained active (indicated by his darkened skin) for a considerable amount of time during which there were a series of conversation that transpired, first between Kakashi and Kakuzu and then between Chouji and Shikamaru, after which Kakashi let Kakuzu to collapse. Also Kakuzu never had to defend against an attack until at least after he lost his second heart (the one that was killed by Hidan). [[User:NoJutsu|NoJutsu]] ([[User talk:NoJutsu|talk]]) 06:40, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
should we delete this it seems out of place since no other articles have it and i don't think it has many facts--[[User:PAIN|PAIN]] 05:00, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Beserker Rage?==
 
 
When during the manga was it directly stated that Kakuzu flew into Beserker Rages and killed his partners? I would think it would be more of an accidental kill then any Rage, his shown abilities all have extremely long range and dispersion, which would mean that it would be easy for him, in the heat of a fight, to use the ability without thinking and the poor sap hes partnered with gets caught in the blast, which seems more like a mistake then any "Beserker Rage". [[User:The World Platinum|The World Platinum]] 15:49, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/189.202.87.112|189.202.87.112]] 13:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)In the Databook
 
It is true that it wasnt any berserker rage but, whenever he got mad he killed his partners it was not accidently, he just got annoyed and killed them [[User:Alexfkdianna|Alexfkdianna]] 19:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)Alexfkdianna
 
 
I agree with Alexfkdianna, there is a time when Kakuzu says "Dont make me kill you" to Hidan wich im sure Kakuzu would just beat the crap out of Hidan and Hidan would be fine. Hey this might sound a little acward but Kakuzu has some sympathy for Hidan from time to time.--[[User:Black-Light|Black-Light]] ([[User talk:Black-Light|talk]]) 17:18, June 19, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light
 
 
== Headband ==
 
 
In episode 83 you see Kakuzu after he gets caught in the Shadow Possession shuriken and you see Kakuzu does not have his headband. '''Video:Hidan and Kakuzu vs Team Kakashi Part 1''' At 3:26 Kakuzu does not have his headband
 
:Since he is having it before and after that incident, I guess it is just a edit misstake. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 06:03, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Earth Grudge Fear ==
 
 
I think that this is kinjutsu(Forbidden Technique), because when he tried to assassinate The First Hokage, he didn't have it.
 
But in the article is said: "Kakuzu killed the village elders, took their hearts, and fled with knowledge of the village's most prized forbidden techniques."
 
If it is in this order then may be this jutsu isn't forbidden. But I think this is forbidden jutsu.--[[User:Mutant 16|Donatelo]] ([[User talk:Mutant 16|talk]]) 18:51, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== The Four masks ==
 
 
Right, so here's the deal.
 
 
The three of four visible masks are according to this very wiki:
 
 
Upper left: Unknown
 
 
Upper right: Some sort of large cat
 
 
Lower left: A bull or ox of some sort
 
 
Lower right: A predatory bird
 
 
 
Now, the four symbols of the evangelists (the writers of gospels in the new testament of the Christian bible) are as follows:
 
 
 
Matthew: Human
 
 
Mark: Lion
 
 
Luke: Ox
 
 
John: Eagle
 
 
 
Furthermore, when represented together they are often arranged (either on their own or surrounding christ) 2x2 in the following manner:
 
 
Upper left: Human
 
 
Upper right: Lion
 
 
Lower left: Ox
 
 
Lower right: Eagle
 
 
 
Furthermore, although the Human mask is mostly destroyed, merely by looking at its shape, it can be seen that it appears to be a flat, mostly featureless mask, with simple round eyes, perfect for a simplistic human face.
 
 
 
I understand any reluctance to include information that hasn't been confirmed in-story or in the databooks, but at the very least, can this be added to trivia? There is too much connection here for it to be coincidental.
 
 
 
You can read about the four evangelists here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Evangelists
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/69.177.38.45|69.177.38.45]] ([[User talk:69.177.38.45|talk]]) 02:33, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
:A Christian reference in Naruto? Honestly it looks like someone is stretching assumption and very loose facts too far looking desperately for a reference. An unknown, something catlike, some sort of bull or ox, and a predatory bird is far to generic to say "This is a Human, Lion, Ox, and Eagle Christian reference". You honestly think a cat, bull/ox, bird, and what looks like a human to you is specific enough to Christianity? Quite honestly there is probably a Japanese myth dealing with those creatures that us (as foreigners) don't know of. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Sep 3, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 04:16 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
::Seriously, I don't think those masks look anything like those creatures. What eagle has tusks? The only thing that makes the lightning mask look like a bull is those horns. Ignore those and he has a humanoid face. And the fire mask is far too nondescript to make anything out of it, let stand a tiger... --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 08:38, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
:::You realize that there are plenty of anime/manga series based on obscure christian mythology, right? And yes, I believe that those four, and only four, specific animals which happened to be arranged on kakuzu's back IN EXACTLY THE SAME POSITIONS AS THE EVANGELISTS is too perfect to be coincidental. Whatever, I am disappointed. [[Special:Contributions/149.152.135.47|149.152.135.47]] ([[User talk:149.152.135.47|talk]]) 16:02, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
::::It doesn't matter what other anime/manga are based on Christian myth, Naruto has yet to get anywhere near it, every reference I've seen has been Japanese myth, Buddhism, etc... that is reason for skepticism. We aren't the place to debate speculation. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Sep 3, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 18:04 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
:::::Even if Kishimoto used Christian references, there are still a few things wrong or odd about this theory.
 
:::::# Why would Kishimoto use the Four Evangelists as reference for Kakuzu's mask?
 
:::::# Does this make Kakuzu Jesus?
 
:::::# How on Earth does the Wind mask look like a bird of any kind? It looks far more like a boar to me;
 
:::::# How does the Lightning mask look like a bull or ox? it is by far the most humanoid of them all;
 
:::::# How does the Fire mask look like a lion or tiger or any feline for that matter?
 
:::::# The destroyed mask could possibly be a human, but it could just as easily have a snout like the Wing and Fire masks and the eyes are exactly the same with all masks. Also, it is supposed to be an angel if your theory is right.
 
:::::--[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 00:45, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
Right, because Kakuzu was never interested in immortality or anything. I can't help you with your visual problems at identifying the masks, but they're what this wiki claims they are, so either delete the descriptions, or acknowledge the symbolism. You can't do neither and remain credible. Also, an angel is just a human with wings, visually, same with the other four symbols, which are also often given additional wings. [[Special:Contributions/69.177.38.45|69.177.38.45]] ([[User talk:69.177.38.45|talk]]) 01:49, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
:All right, so you claim the only reason Kishimoto would use the Four Evangelists would be to symbolise Kakuzu's immortality? There are dozens of better ways to do symbolise that. Dozens that would actually make sense (Jesus and the Evangelists are known for many things, but immortality isn't one. They all died. Gruesomely.) and would actually be understood by Kishimoto's target audience (there aren't enough Christians in Japan to fill a small city, far, far less who would be familiar with this symbolism). Oh, and tell me this: what bird has a snout and tusks? what ox has manes, sharp teeth, and a flat, humanoid face? what lion has no manes, no sharp teeth, no whiskers, no feline features at all? --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 02:07, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
::Given the disagreement over what the masks resemble, their descriptors should be changed. Maybe switch to a color/dominating feature (horn, snout) referencing? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 04:04, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
:::At first I was like :-O but then I lol'd =)) - [[User:MadaraU|MadaraU]] ([[User talk:MadaraU|talk]]) 09:03, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== about the masks ==
 
 
silva from the shaman king anime has some masks who talk atached to him
 
[[User:Sartorias|Sartorias]] ([[User talk:Sartorias|talk]]) 16:09, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
and your point is ? [[User:Kyuubinaruto|Kyuubinaruto1]][[User talk:Kyuubinaruto123|23]] 20:22, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
my point is that they both use their masks for the attack
 
[[User:Sartorias|Sartorias]] ([[User talk:Sartorias|talk]]) 18:30, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:Thanx to the above bit of info, looks like the floodgates have opened. Unless specified by the author or the studio, or by an offical source, relashionships are meaningless...The could have been inspired by mabe the same legend, myth etc...--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 18:32, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::I believe he meant it as a similarity trivia note, not a reference note (Like how Soul Eater's Soul Menance move and Kamui both use the same fairly complex to define kanji character. Though using masks to attack is a little generic without something more specific similar to make note of. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Sep 4, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 03:52 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
about my info i taken it from shaman king wikia [[User:Sartorias|Sartorias]] ([[User talk:Sartorias|talk]]) 10:48, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Kakuzu's English Voice Actor ==
 
 
Isn't Kakuzu's english voice actor Fred Tatasciore as shown in Naruto Shippuden: Clash of Ninja Revolution 3?
 
As for now I will be adding his name as Kakuzu's english voice actor but I have no problem if you want to take it down.
 
[[User:EvilPuppy123|EvilPuppy123]] ([[User talk:EvilPuppy123|talk]]) 16:33, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
how do you know he voices him? [[User:AMTNinja|AMTNinja]] ([[User talk:AMTNinja|talk]]) 02:54, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
NS CONR 3's credits
 
[[User:Evilpuppy123|Evilpuppy123]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy123|talk]]) 21:42, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
 
yeah the game's voice actors are from the series
 
 
== Water mask? ==
 
 
Is it possible, that mask destroyed by kakashi is actually a water mask, while kakuzu's inborn affinity is earth?--[[User:Erik1310|Erik1310]] ([[User talk:Erik1310|talk]]) 16:59, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
 
:The anime showed him using water after the mask being destroyed, but we can't know for sure. However, this is not a forum. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 19:18, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
I agree, based on color, it seems more likely that a blue mask is water as all of the other masks have element color representation. But also, doesn't it say in the info box that he has water release, but it's "anime only?"
 
by the way Jacce, questioning possible changes the article isn't forum stuff. [[User:DemonFoxsCloak|DemonFoxsCloak]] ([[User talk:DemonFoxsCloak|talk]]) 01:58, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Since it can't be a canon answer to the question, I wanted to prevent misusing of talk page. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 05:59, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 
I did see Kakuzu using water clones and whatnot but it doesn't matter in his infobox he has suiton that's all that matters plus its not to late for explanation he isn't sealed yet in the war.--[[User:Black-Light|Black-Light]] ([[User talk:Black-Light|talk]]) 17:12, June 19, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light
 
::[http://img6.narutoverse.org/mangas/naruto/02680537/08-09.jpg He has been sealed actually]--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 17:20, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::I can't see the image, but if it is what I think it is, that part we see him when the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path is rampaging, I'm not sure that's him being sealed, I think it might actually be him being unsealed. The barrier around Dan also fell. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:53, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah [http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/537/7 that's the one], and you do have a point that might in fact be what's happening there. I suppose we'll see eventually.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:01, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Frist Five ==
 
 
Wasn't he the first person to use the five basic elements. If so can I put that on the trivia section--[[User:Nintendo-Fan|Nintendo-Fan]] ([[User talk:Nintendo-Fan|talk]]) 03:38, December 13, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
 
 
:He only uses water in the anime, and even then [[Fuka]] beats him to it. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 03:58, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
kakashi is the first one i think. i know its before kakazu. lightning with the chidori, water when he copies zabuzas water dragon jutsu,fire from fire ball jutsu and there must be a wind jutsu since hes copied over a thosand jutsu. one must be wind.in naruto accel he has a jutsu where he does fire water and wind at the same time and earth when he goes underground
 
:Video games wouldn't count. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 05:47, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::Can't Kakashi use the Rasengan, which is a wind style jutsu? --[[User:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Red">Puppet</font>]] '''[[User talk:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Black">King</font>]]'''' 00:17, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::The Rasengan isn't a Wind Release jutsu. It's elementless. Only when Naruto, who is wind natured, uses [[Wind Release: Rasengan]] or it's [[Wind Release: Rasenshuriken|directly derived]] jutsu does it become wind release. <font color="#0000A0"><del>¥</del> [[User:SuperN|S<small>uper</small> N<small>ovice</small>]] [[Special:Random|↔]] [[User talk:SuperN|T<small>alk</small> <sup>2</sup> M<small>e</small>]] <del>¥</del></font> 00:20, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
No only when Naruto adds his elemental chakra to it does it becomes a wind justu. Kakashi can do Rasengan he showed Naruto and then taught him the 2nd part of rasengan training which led to the wind Rasengan.[[User:Saimaroimaru|Saimaroimaru]] ([[User talk:Saimaroimaru|talk]]) 02:30, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::Oh, my bad! I'm sorry. --[[User:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Red">Puppet</font>]] '''[[User talk:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Black">King</font>]]'''' 02:38, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Akatsuki Cloak ==
 
 
shuoldnt we put Kakuzu on his akatsuki cloak?
 
Re007wazhere 4:59 UTC
 
 
whats wrong with the picture now? it is kakuzu right?[[User:Shelldone|Shelldone]] ([[User talk:Shelldone|talk]]) 07:00, February 7, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
I never said to remove the current picture, I just said to add an image of kakuzu with an akatsuki coak...it could enter perfectly from his battle with hidan vs asuma and konohas
 
Re007wazhere 3:36 (UTC)
 
 
I agree. He's the only Akatsuki member not clothed in his Akatsuki cloak. --[[User:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Red">Puppet</font>]] '''[[User talk:Twilightwizard0309|<font color="Black">King</font>]]'''' 00:06, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Earth Mask ==
 
 
In the anime, it's shown that Kakuzu can use Domu after the mask is destroyed.
 
 
So the mask could be either water or earth. It is possible Kakuzu original heart could use both earth and water.
 
 
[[A1legwonder| A1legwonder]]
 
February 23, 2012
 
 
== Kakuzu's Size ==
 
 
It says in trivia that "When Kakuzu first appeared as a hologram at the end of Part I, he was clearly the tallest Akatsuki member there, a fact reinforced when he appeared during Gaara's sealing ritual. However, when he truly appeared with Hidan, he was much shorter, and the 3rd databook stated that he was shorter than Kisame. "
 
 
But I don't believe that's the case. I believe the person talking here: http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/255/13/ Is Kakuzu who was having trouble finding his jinchuuriki without his hood covering his hair and the tall man in the hologram being his partner. Just out of elimination, the characters of Akatsuki were: Deidara, Sasori(Couldn't be those two, they were actually there), Pain(No for obvious reasons), Zetsu(Same as Pain), Konan(That couldn't be Konan who said that), Hidan(No for obvious reasons also, considering he wasn't there yet), Itachi(No for obvious reasons), Kisame(no for obvious reasons) leaving Kakuzu and his former partner there. That character, I am convined, had to be Kakuzu considering his hair is the only known character that replicates that. He could simply have his hood off for a short period of time. This would make more sense than a dramatic resize of a character. {{unsigned|71.181.243.253|05:16, 2010 May 31 (UTC)}}
 
:If you check chapter 254, page 18, you'll see that Kakuzus spot is occupied by the tall member. This member's silhouette can also be seen in chapter 255, page 4, frame 3. This has to have been Kakuzu, leaving the complaining member to be either an early version of Hidan, or Hidan's predecessor. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 07:18, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
Yeh, im annoyed by all the "Naruto"'s images in the net. I don't know how much of them are originally made by this anime's owners, but on all of them Kakuzo is taller than Kisame.
 
 
== edo tensei ==
 
 
"During the War, it appears Kakuzu had regained his elemental hearts."
 
i dont think this sentence is right cuz edo tensei is supposed to revive their souls and powers, which means before anything did anything to them that caused their death. that srntence just makes it sound like its amazing kakuzu got his hearts back even though that was what was supposed to happen {{unsigned|94.192.150.201}}
 
:Or he already killed some ninja and took their hearts. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:25, February 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
u mean when he was revived, he killed some ninjas and made their hearts into his own? {{unsigned|94.192.150.201}}
 
:Yes. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:11, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
but edo tensei was supposed to revive him and his masks. it said that edo tensei revives the soul and whatever powers he/she had, not the actual body after what was done to it to make it dead. e.g, deidara blew himself up so hes obviously not gonna be a complete dead corpse.hes gonna be a few imcomplete bits and peices. but edo tensei didnt summon deidara like a few little peices. it makes this new body out of dirt or whatever it is. it doesnt summon the actual body {{unsigned|94.192.150.201}}
 
 
== Earth Mask ==
 
 
It looks like a boar to me? Any others opinions?--[[User:Endomarru|Endomarru]] ([[User talk:Endomarru|talk]]) 02:14, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:First of all, how do we even know there is an earth mask? Second of all, we should really stop describing these masks as animals. The fire mask looks less like a tiger than the average penguin, the wind mask looks nothing like boar, except for the tusks, how anyone could say the lightning mask looks like a bull is beyond me, and although the fourth mask looks like a bird, it has nothing specifically eagle-like about it. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 12:47, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
I agree — we should just name them by the type of element they release for simplicity's sake. ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 15:54, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:If we do proceed in this manner, it may be best to also indicate the colored markings on each of the masks within their respective paragraphs, so that other users can more easily identify and distinguish between them (i.e. Earth - light blue, Fire - red, Lightning - yellow and Wind - dark blue). At least in that way, we make use of something more definitive yet equally distinctive while negating the need to constantly use "''like''", unlike when we refer to either the shapes of the masks or the resultant creatures. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 17:33, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::I was going to suggest that, using the colour marks. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:11, February 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::So~ Does anyone have proof the last mask has an Earth affinity? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:24, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::No proof. [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]]
 
:::::Awesome... So how do we call that mask? We can't call it the Earth mask if it might have a Water affinity. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:38, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Actually, there might be proof. In the manga, unless I'm mistaken, Kakuzu stops using first mask is destroyed. It's not a black and white proof, but it implies that he could no longer use it after that mask is destroyed, meaning it was the source of earth-natured chakra. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:45, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
::I was thinking of that Omni, but at the same time Kakashi aimed for his heart and had no knowledge that he had 'others' so it could be the one in his actual chest i think. But why not just call it "Fourth Mask" for the time being? People already or at least should know the other three, so all we have to do is state that is wasn't seen prior to this etc...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez☺]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 18:49, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::The Earth Spear is actually the reason I have my doubts about the fourth mask holding Earth Release. Earth Spear is only valuable to Kakuzu when it's inside his body, methinks. The name of Jiongu also implies some sort of relation to Earth Release, albeit weakly. I agree that there is some circumstantial evidence pointing to the fourth mask holding Earth Release, but it isn't definite enough right now. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 21:04, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::I don't think each mask allows only for one jutsu. I know each of the masks only used one high-level technique from their respective elements, but I don't think that's enough reason to believe they're limited to one jutsu. One nature certainly, even though it's possible for the heart to belong to someone who could perform more than one nature, but that's besides the point. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:10, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::I didn't mean to imply I thought each mask was limited to a single technique. I simply meant that Earth Spear is Kakuzu's most often used Earth Release technique and it is a very useful one at that. It would be rather stupid of him to give that up by removing the heart from his body. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 21:18, February 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Look at the manga 528. The mask is already reconstructed, if u ask me looks more like a bird than the wind one {{unsigned|190.154.5.228}}
 
:For me, Kakuzu's fourth mask which we can see in chapter 528 looks different from remains of mask destroyed by Kakashi..--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 21:33, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Both eyes now have a crescent instead of just its right. That's the only difference I see. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 22:37, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I agree, I don't see any considerable differences between the masks and I also can't think of any reason as to why Kishimoto would make such an alteration at this stage, as it appears to be far too inconsequential to actually matter. However, if further confirmation is still required, maybe the fact that the mask seems to form the same creature in Chapter 530 would be sufficient. Also, I'd like to revisit ShounenSuki's concerns over the true affinity of this mask, again due to new evidence found within Chapter 530. When directing Kotetsu and Izumo, [[Shikaku Nara]] only notes that Kakuzu uses Earth Techniques, just after he and his masks have seperated during the battle. This seems unusual as Konohagakure are well aware of how Kakuzu's technique functions, in that the type of chakra used is dependent upon the heart he has access to, yet the fact he can potentially use all five natures is not mentioned. One possible reason for this, is that Shikaku knew that either Kakuzu has a tendency to retain this particular heart or his original nature is earth, suggesting that the detroyed mask was instead of a water affinity. This is plausible as we know Kakashi aimed at where a person's heart is normally located, potentially destroying the heart that currently kept Kakuzu alive. So maybe, in order not to die, Kakuzu exchanged the damaged heart with another that just happened to belong to the mask in question, which also explains why he was unable to use Earth Spear after this occured. I know this is speculative on my part but I do think it at least warrants a further discussion about this mask's true affinity. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 23:36, March 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== the destroyed mask ==
 
what is the destroyed mask element. in the anime when kakashi destroyed the first mask with his lightning cutter everyone said that was the earth mask because later kakuzu used a couple water release technique. but in the manga shikaku said to kotetsu and izumo that kakuzu himself uses earth release. {{unsigned|94.98.137.105}}
 
:Everything we know is in the article already. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:19, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
::the article says that kakuzu uses water release. and his masks uses earth, fire, lightning and wind. but shikaku said in chapter 530 that kakuzu uses earth release and his masks uses water, fire, lightning and wind.{{unsigned|77.30.84.114}}
 
:::The IP has a point the way I read it it seems like they're going to attack Kakuzu diectly who uses Earth Release...directly. I'll ask Shounen to translate that bit just to conform and such. We can still wait for them to confront him though. --[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez]]☻ 12:56, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Color change?!==
 
Why does Kakuzu's hand change color when he breaks down the temple's doors?
 
 
:[[Earth Release: Earth Spear]]. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 23:46, March 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== they don't look like ==
 
 
the first mask that have destroyed in the anime with kakashi's lightning cutter doesn't look like the mask in the war. the one in the manga during his battle in the manga or in the war. {{unsigned|2.89.23.213}}
 
 
We don't see the mask Kakashi destroyed before he actually hit it, there's no way to say they don't look like. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:02, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Sealed or Destroyed? ==
 
 
"Later he is seen immobilized underneath Chōji's giant fist. During the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path's rampage, he is sealed." - Is that true? Because it seems to me in Chapter 537, Page 8, that he's "decomposing" as they do after being destroyed, only to regenerate again. Same goes with Dan (I think it is Dan) in the panel beside Kakuzu doing this, it looks as if this person is doing the same thing. As you can see on Page 5 of Chapter 537, when the Demonic Statue launches that wave that blew everyone away, the area it destroyed would of hit Kakuzu and Dan, as they were in the path of it. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 12:02, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
:He's not mentioned '''sealed''' but '''destroyed'''. They generate, right. He's not on the explosion because they incapacitate the latter after that. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> [[File:Konohagakure_Symbol.svg|20 px]] 12:15, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
I would like to add that we see Dan later talking with the others so he survived (I don't remember what chapter). Anywho call this a crazy theory but "if" Kakuzu wasn't sealed maybe he could have went back for Hidan? We see Itachi running around doing whatever he wants because me thinks that Kabuto is too busy controlling Madara. Just a thought. [[User:A1legwonder|A1legwonder]] [[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-February 23, 2012
 
 
Kakuzu was sealed as shown when tobi appeared to collect the treasured tools for kinkaku and ginkaku. If he went looking for hidan he would have been freed from the Edo Tensei control, saying all this he would most likely not look for hidan.
 
--[[User:Zenryoku90|Zenryoku90]] ([[User talk:Zenryoku90|talk]]) 14:00, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Hair Colour ==
 
 
Since we've been having some minor discrepancies about his hair colour, I was wondering if there were any coloured manga scans of him with his hair shown? Because otherwise from that:
 
* when it was shown in episode 88-89 it's brown not black while battling.
 
* Also, during the autopsy it was dark brown.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 17:52, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Water encampment wall ==
 
 
what episode did Kakuzu use this technique.--[[User:Black-Light|Black-Light]] ([[User talk:Black-Light|talk]]) 18:06, June 19, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light
 
:Episode 85.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:15, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== previous partners ==
 
 
it says he has had many recent partners. and only one we have seen but in a hologramic image. and he was huge. but what was his name or does anyone know or is it not told to us?--{{unsigned|99.196.203.7}}
 
:I think that giant person in the hologram is Kakuzu, there's a note of it in the trivia section. We don't know anything about his previous partners though.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 03:21, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Is This Correct? ==
 
 
"He is later seen being sealed by a shinobi. However, thanks to Madara Uchiha's arrival on the battlefield, he escaped the sealing"
 
 
How can we be sure he escaped the sealing?
 
 
after learning the events in the latest manga (558) he wasn't seen on the battlefield (where the summon of the statue took place), so it's possible he was sealed in that event. Even if he wasn't we shouldn't state it yet, because till now it's very unclear. --[[User:Jon Thiago|Jon Thiago]] ([[User talk:Jon Thiago|talk]]) 13:19, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Oldest character? ==
 
 
Isn't Kakuzu the oldest ninja to appear in all of the Naruto series? Would it be worth mentioning this in the Trivia section? --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 16:28, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
:No, not really... I guess it's Tobi. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 16:31, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Judging by the fact that Tobi's age has so far never been mentioned, we can't really assume him to be the oldest. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 16:33, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Kakuzu and Hidan's initial appearances ==
 
 
Hey i first saw Kakuzu's eyes in episode 18 and heard Hidan's voice shouldn't we change the time they appeared?--[[File:SSJJ Bar.jpg|250px|link=User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]][[File:SSJJBar Talk.jpg|50px|link=User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]][[File:SSJJ BAR Contribs2.jpg|50px|link=Special:Contributions/Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]] 04:34, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I'm assuming this is during an Akatsuki meeting with the holograms? Then no. We don't count those as debuts. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:14, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Only appearance of Takigakure ninja ? ==
 
 
If I am right in thinking, Kakuzu is the only ninja to hail from the Hidden Waterfall Village that has appeared so far in canon. Would it be good to mention this or is it pointless information ? --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 17:39, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
[[Fū|You're forgetting about someone]]. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:45, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Oh yeah, there's Fu. I should've said that Kakuzu is the only Takigakure ninja to appear in the anime so far. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 18:06, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Fū did so, too... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:12, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
::AFAIK, her appearance was just when Tobi was going through the tailed beasts, a 1 second appearance doesn't count as actually appearing. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 18:13, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::And who decides that? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:08, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Fine, you win. :/ --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 20:38, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
We've had [[Taki Kunoichi|filler villains]] as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:11, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Affinity(ies) ==
 
 
Since Kakauzu stole hearts of those whom had an affinity to a particular nature, shouldn't he be listed as having an affinity in each nature transformation he displayed, or was that decided against? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 21:59, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Nope, because one can only have one affinity. Kakuzu had earth, afaik. Everything else was stolen, thus not his own affinity. I'd say. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:13, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yes, but the whole point of stealing the hearts of those with other affinities was so that he could use elemental techniques that were beyond what those without the proper affinity couldn't use, which the article says as well. Also, if Earth was stated to be his natural affinity, where be-ith the affinity annotation? o3o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 22:20, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:In theory, he could've learned all the natures by himself. But he didn't, because he was able to steal the natures from other Ninja. But by stealing those he didn't made them his own affinity. An affinity exists only once at a time. At least that's what I always thought.
 
 
Naturally, affinities are restricted to one element, but what Kakazu does isn't exactly normal. I mean, he uses techniques of other elements on a level that aren't supposed to be possible without an affinity to it (that being my main point), which is why I believe he should have them. :3 [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 23:45, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:hm... it isn't his own affinity, though. And of course his use of the natures is normal. You can learn to use every nature in theory, it only takes a huge amount of time. Kakuzu shortened it by stealing the hearts. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:54, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I was referring to his theft of other hearts with different affinities to use as being not not normal. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 00:38, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, but that's coming from the Jiongu Jutsu. He's stealing natures, not affinities. He can only have one affinity, not two or so. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:47, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
-sigh- He's stealing hearts with those affinities because only those with affinities could use elemental attacks of the level he did, which at least to me implies that he gains the affinity of the one whose heart he stole. But if no one else thinks so I guess I'll drop it. =P [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 00:52, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Affinities are different than techniques you use. I'd assume stealing hearts means you're stealing other people's affinities and not nature transformations that they learn. I don't see a reason to list them as his affinity since he stole them and as such would/could only have one affinity himself (if any at all).--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 00:54, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't know if I'm just being misunderstood or if I'm having a major brain fart. Here's exactly what I mean:
 
Kakauzu steals the hearts of powerful ninja with an elemental affinity he wants/needs. Upon integrating the heart into himself with [[Earth Grudge Fear]], he then has their affinity and can make use of the high level techniques of the elements he displayed because of that. The EGF article states that almost word for word. That would technically mean he has multiple affinities right? I know that you can only have one affinity naturally, but EGF allows him to integrate other beings' organs into himself and thus isn't so natural. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 02:01, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I don't think you're farting, I just think you're taking the stolen hearts and the "affinity" of those to be his own. I don't think that should be, so that's why I wouldn't say it's his affinity since it's not something he has innately but through unorthodox means.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 02:26, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
But isn't that the same case with Kakashi/Danzo with their Sharingan, Ao with his Byakugan and Tobi with his Rinnegan? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 07:49, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Saying that Ao has the Kekkei Genkai Byakugan is stupid. He hasn't. And Kakuzu doesn't have the affinities. I don't get the following part of your explanation: ''because only those with affinities could use elemental attacks of the level he did''. Why do you think that? You don't need an affinity towards a nature to use its Jutsu on a high level. Kakashi is the best example. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:48, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:No but mastering an element on such a high level such as Kakuzu is very difficult even Kakashi was surprised by Kakuzu's skill in each of them (http://www.mangareader.net/93-339-17/naruto/chapter-334.html), The databook also says it (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User:ShounenSuki/Third_Databook_Translations#Jiongu_.28p._263.29). From the way I understand it, Kakuzu does sort of have affinities but the affinities are not truly his own but rather stem from his technique Earth Grudge Fear and the hearts he stole from his opponent. This case is kinda similar to saying that Sasori can use Magnet Release but we all know it stems from the Kazekage's own kekkei genkai and Sasori is using through his Human Puppet technique/power/ability. I think we should list it as an affinity but also along with it should be written '''Through Earth Grudge Fear'''. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.68.152|119.154.68.152]] ([[User talk:119.154.68.152|talk]]) 12:37, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Neither the manga page nor Suki-sensei's translation implies that only those with affinities can use such high level elemental Jutsu... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:41, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::On the manga page Kakashi says: "'''To perform such a high caliber jutsu, he needs to master the nature of his chakra perfectly'''" My point is not that only ninja with affinities can perform jutsu like that but it's so hard to perform jutsu of some many different natures on such high levels that its virtually impossible without an affinity. This is known both in the anime and manga so unless some super ninja comes along doing high caliber jutsu of different natures without using any technique to help him (Multiple Shadow Clone Technique included) and using just training we won't think of it as such. Kakashi literally says: "... needs to master the nature of his perfectly... " Perfectly = Very High/Affinity Boosted control. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.68.152|119.154.68.152]] ([[User talk:119.154.68.152|talk]]) 12:53, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Kakashi hast mastered more than one nature, too. You don't need an affinity to do it, it just showas which nature is the easiest for you to learn. Nothing else. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:12, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
When was it said that Kakashi had mastered more than one nature? Kakashi can only use average Water and Earth Release techniques. He hasn't mastered Water and Earth Release ninjutsu. Isn't that the point? Can you imagine Kakashi showing as much skill in Earth or Water Release as he did in Lightning Release ninjutsu? Also the Sharingan probably aided Kakashi. Putting that aside, due to this technique Kakuzu does sort of possess an affinity towards those elements, though that's mainly because of his Earth Grudge Fear. We should write 'Affinity through Earth Grudge Fear' [[Special:Contributions/119.154.68.152|119.154.68.152]] ([[User talk:119.154.68.152|talk]]) 13:38, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
:By using those nature he displayed that he mastered them. He wouldn't be able to use them, otherwise. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:29, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
@Seelentau I brought up those dojutsu because Cerez pointed out they weren't listed because he possessed them in an unorthodox way, just as the listed dojutsu wielders I posted do. The entire reason I brought this up is because the article itself states what I've been saying: "'''By collecting these hearts Kakuzu's own affinity is reinforced and his skill in other elements is increased to the point that he was able to use various different elemental attacks that were noted to be impossible, without having an affinity to that particular element.'''" [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 03:07, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
It seems rather obvious, I mean what do you think would happen when someone goes around collecting hearts and performing very high caliber attacks that would surprise even an expert like Kakashi, someone who can use three elements (four elements in the anime) and has been known to copy over 1000 techniques. [[Special:Contributions/119.154.26.230|119.154.26.230]] ([[User talk:119.154.26.230|talk]]) 14:58, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
tl;dr reply (just skimmed through it): I wouldn't say Kakuzu truly has multiple affinities. The way I see it, his extra hearts have other affinities, he just benefits from more easily changing his chakra to those affinities via those extra organs. Considering the chakra flows, the chakra that is produced in those hearts would have a different affinity, making it easier for Kakuzu to apply nature transformation in that, and perform higher level techniques of certain natures. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:09, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:The way I see it, Kakuzu is able to use any and all natures held by the former owner of the hearts he stole. This includes both affinities and non-affinities. To be honest, I find the whole situation surrounding Kakuzu and affinities in general to be far too unclear and vague to say anything truly meaningful about them. However, for practical reasons, I'd say we cannot with any certainty state that Kakuzu had affinities for the natures he used. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:33, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Kakuzu's personality and sources ==
 
 
Should not it be mentioned under Kakuzu's personality that he is highly perceptive, observant, and analytical because he has shown that as we have all seen like it is for Tobi and Itachi. As well as well as, it should be mentioning sources, natures, demeanours, etc under character personality sections, just a though is all.--[[User:Iamnofool2|Iamnofool2]] ([[User talk:Iamnofool2|talk]]) 01:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It is mentioned under Intelligence. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 05:05, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Lord Jashin ==
 
 
Does Kakuzu worship 'Lord Jashin' as Hidan does considering they are both "Imortal".[[User:Erin.arthur|E.N.A]] ([[User talk:Erin.arthur|talk]]) 23:04, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Kakuzu was immortal? But he's dead... Those that worship Jashin must [[Curse Technique: Death Controlling Possessed Blood|sacrifice]] to him, so no.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 23:07, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The pair were "so called Imortals" and when Hidan died, was his soul sacrificed to Lord Jashin because he worshiped him? i just thought Kakuzu did because they were considered a "zombie pair".[[User:Erin.arthur|E.N.A]] ([[User talk:Erin.arthur|talk]]) 00:08, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Reading the article would help. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 11:27, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== KAKUZU EYES ==
 
In the anime,when he was summoned with the summoning impure ressurection,why the jutsu did not affect his eyes?His were not black,but still red.--[[User:Mju|Mju]] ([[User talk:Mju|talk]]) 01:10, July 13, 2012 (UTC) ==
 
:We have barely seen his eyes, and we have yet to properly see him at all. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:52, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Image of strangling shinobis ==
 
Should we put in anime and manga difference article that the two images are different just by looking by who and how much shinobis get strangled [[:File:Kakuzu_masks2.jpg|here]] and [[:File:Kakuzu masks2.png|here]]--[[User:Defrr|Defrr]] ([[User talk:Defrr|talk]]) 03:18, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Aye. I guess.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:33, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Seeing the difference is censorship. Yeah a trivia note would be fine. -[[User:White Flash|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''White Flash'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:White Flash|<span style="font-size:90%; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]- 03:35, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Possible Missing Information ==
 
 
Looking through Viz's translation of the third databook, there are several things mentioned there that are not in this article. As Viz isn't always the most reliable source of information, the validity of these should probably be checked. Kakuzu's section in the book implies that his body being as it is (separated into pieces) is from past battle scars rather than as a direct result of using Jiongu. It also mentions that he has some sort of special talent for determining which hearts to steal (possibly their affinities?) and that his masks contained the hearts of his former partners.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 07:45, September 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
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== Nail Polish ==
 
 
This has been bugging me for some time and I was wondering. Why does it say in Kakuzu's wiki page that he wears dark green nail polish, when in the anime he actually wears dark brown?{{Unsigned|193.62.51.5}}
 

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Real age and Physical ageEdit

Why does he look 30-40 butin fact he is 91 . you could add in the Apperance content that he physically is 30-40 .Reply please. Dalia0002 (talk) 16:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Kakuzu's 4th Mask Edit

Kakuzu notably has one of his Masks/Hearts destroyed but afterwards he uses both Earth and Water styles afterwards, I also must note that a lot of Jonin also have up to 2 Chakra natures, Kakuzu being much much older then the average Jonin could have easily have developed a second Chakra nature so this could make up for the fact he use water and earth release after he lost his (Presumably water nature due to him not using an incredibly powerful water release move and just a simple water shield and clone, while he retained an extremely powerful earth release ability, Kakashi also stating how he needs to have a nature's specific affinity to perform the powerful techniques) heart. Just stating this to stop a few anomalies and suggest this information be put into the article. DragonOfDagon (talk) 23:05, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

There's really nothing suggesting the fourth mask was the source of Kakuzu's Earth Release. It's true that he never used Earth Spear after losing it, but he had no reason to, with Kakashi having the technique's weakness. Shikaku (I believe) actually called Kakuzu an earth user during the war. The mask should be listed as having an unknown affinity to avoid any speculation.--BeyondRed (talk) 23:21, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
Kakuzu did use Earth Spear after he lost the mask, he used it momentarily in an attempt to kill Choji, I was implying that the mask could be his water mask as he never used a powerful water technique unless the water wall/clone is considerable, either way I'm just saying that it could be added that he might be adept in water style as he never used a powerful technique with it but still use water jutsu. DragonOfDagon (talk) 05:33, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
You should only take the manga into consideration, water was anime-only I believe--Elveonora (talk) 13:17, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth (not much), Ultimate Ninja Impact actually has unlockable cards for all of Kakuzu's masks and calls the light blue one "Water Mask". Not saying that has any canon value, but it's more than can be said for it being an "Earth Mask". Maybe trivia worthy?--BeyondRed (talk) 19:09, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

This "earth mask" issue has been brought up several times over the years, but it never gets resolved. Can we finally do something about this?--BeyondRed (talk) 23:40, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

Water Release Edit

Wasn't Kakuzu fifth heart (stored in his body) the water heart? Not just considering the anime, but also the manga, in chapter 339 Kakashi informs Naruto as he can use all the 5 nature types. Gerisama (talk) 11:38, April 14, 2014 (UTC)gerisama

Seeing as the mentality of this wiki's users has changed over the time, I'd like to apply the following simple logical conclusion to this topic:

His fire mask was the one with the red marking.
His lightning mask the one with the yellow marking.
His wind mask the one with the dark blue marking.

Now, which colour would every human being relate to earth? That's right, brown. Did Kakuzu have a brown mask? No. But wait, the only other element that's left is water and a mask with a light blue colour. Coincidentally, water is often depicted as being light blue. Could it be... could it really be that Kakuzu's last mask is the water mask? :O Seelentau 愛 12:18, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

The main argument for it being an earth mask is, if I'm not mistaken, the fact he didn't use Earth Spear after the first mask was destroyed. He used it in the anime, but not in the manga. Manga vs anime shenanigans ensue. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:44, April 14, 2014 (UTC)
Well, in that case, I counter with "Kakuzu realised it was pointless to use Doton against Kakashi, a Raiton user". Seelentau 愛 18:55, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

Chakra natures aren't dependant on having specific genetics though, so even if Kakuzu did lose an earth-natured heart, he'd still have the knowledge and experience to use Earth Release. We don't even know for sure if the chakra natures used by the masks were determined by the heart stored in them. Kakuzu's Lightning Mask still used Lightning Release during the war, despite having a different heart. Either that's a coincidence, or which heart is in which mask is irrelevant and each mask just has a certain element it can use regardless.--BeyondRed (talk) 23:58, April 14, 2014 (UTC)

No, it was stated that the natures come from the hearts. I don't know about the masks, but their existence isn't a result of Jiongu. Seelentau 愛 14:05, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
From what we've learned and understand from all the information over the years, is that you are incorrect. Chakra natures are dependent on having specific genetics. Do I mean hereditary? No, but a person's body is naturally aligned with certain elements which gives rise to affinities. So what Kakazu would do, I'm assuming, is find a heart that naturally leans towards certain elements so the masks are more powerful. You are right though in that it may not have to be a heart's affinity, since despite that -- everyone can learn every nature. It's just that a body leans to one more than others. It could be a Raiton affinity heart in a Doton mask. But the more logical conclusion is that it is incorrect. As for the war segment, we'd have to look into it. Do you happen to have a chapter # where you saw it? I don't remember that specific incident. --Taynio (talk) 14:45, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
I... didn't really understand what you're saying. As far as I know, Kakuzu stole a heart to gain access to whatever affinity that heart's original owner had. That's how he was able to use all chakra natures, despite him having only mastered one - which Doton, as I explained above. Seelentau 愛 15:00, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
Affinities are dependent on genetics, but just using natures is not. Kakuzu stole peoples' affinities, allowing him to more easily learn every nature. My point was that nothing says Kakuzu loses the ability to use a nature when he loses a heart with its affinity. That's an assumption, but the fact that the masks used the same natures in the war despite having different hearts raises the possibility that each mask has a specific predetermined nature it uses, regardless of what heart is inside it. What I mean is, Kakuzu maybe losing his earth affinity heart shouldn't stop him from using Earth Spear, so it isn't proof that the fourth mask had an earth affinity. The mask could very well be a water mask (as the colour strongly implies), but the truth is that we don't know for sure what nature it used.--BeyondRed (talk) 15:33, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
"Affinities are dependent on genetics, but just using natures is not. Kakuzu stole peoples' affinities, allowing him to more easily learn every nature. My point was that nothing says Kakuzu loses the ability to use a nature when he loses a heart with its affinity" Pretty much this. It's impossible to lose "the ability" to use a nature, because it isn't even an ability but skill/knowledge "how to" more or less. The only way to loose it would be to become senile or something. EDIT: a good comparison is also the Rinnegan. Ripping the eyes outta of Nagato's skull wouldn't disable him to use all natures, since he had mastered them already.--Elveonora (talk) 16:48, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

You can't compare that. According to the databook, Kakuzu steals the hearts of other people and takes in their respective natures. It's only logical that if the respective heart is destroyed, he won't be able to use its nature anymore. Seelentau 愛 16:52, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

@Seelentau -- What did you not understand? I also had agreed with you, and still do. Perhaps if you pinpoint what lacks clarity, I can help you understand my meaning. --Taynio (talk) 17:27, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

@Seelentau, so, by that reasoning and what manga has shown, I still see no wrong in Kakuzu having his first mask destroyed and no longer using Earth Spear meaning that the mask had an earth heart. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:28, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
I do not see an inherent flaw with this logic, unless I'd have to go read all the relevant chapters again. That said, was there a point at which Kakuzu didn't use Earth Spear? I admit my memory surrounding his is EXTREMELY fragile currently, but would it be possible his "main" heart would be the Earth? Or was his "main" heart every mask? Sorry, just a sudden thought about if Doton is Kakazu's affinity. I def need to read them again. --Taynio (talk) 17:38, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
Omni-kun, I say his last mask is the water mask simply because of its colour. I have no other "proof". Seelentau 愛 17:43, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
In the war, Kakuzu was referred to as an Earth Release user. It isn't absolute proof, but it certainly implies he can use Earth on his own.--BeyondRed (talk) 17:46, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
I believe in Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 (where you have to collect cards), each of Kakuzu's masks have a card, at least the Water One does, and it is called a Water Mask.--Omojuze (talk) 17:49, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, yes. He is described as someone who uses Doton when he already released his mask. Seelentau 愛 18:20, April 15, 2014 (UTC)
I will like to add that after Kakuzu's first heart was destroyed, Earth Spear still remained active (indicated by his darkened skin) for a considerable amount of time during which there were a series of conversation that transpired, first between Kakashi and Kakuzu and then between Chouji and Shikamaru, after which Kakashi let Kakuzu to collapse. Also Kakuzu never had to defend against an attack until at least after he lost his second heart (the one that was killed by Hidan). NoJutsu (talk) 06:40, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

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