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== Kakashi/Guy/Obito Chunin exams? ==
   
== Something to Possibly Add ==
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Hi.
   
I think it would be a worthwhile addition to work it in that when partnered with Guy, he was able to hold off several "Version 2" jinchuriki. However, I can't figure out how I would word it nor where to go. Does anyone else think it'd be a good addition and can find a good way to work it in the page? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 17:20, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
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I just saw something when I was going through Kakashi, Guy and Obitos profiles. They said Kakashi became chunin when he defeated Guy a year after he graduated (he was 6 years old). This doesn't make sence scince they couldn't have done the chunin exams together(Guy only graduated the acadamy at the age of 7 and obito when he was 9 years old). They all joined the acadamy at the same time so they have to be the same age. Guy might be a year older and took the chunin exam for the first time the same year he graduated which would make sense but there is no way Obito could have taken the chunin exam with Kakashi when he was still in the acadamy.
   
Anyone? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 21:19, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
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I would like to hear your thoaghts on this.
   
:If it can be added, I would say add it to the end of the first paragraph in the Abilities section since it already mentions Pain being worried about him interfering with their plans. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 21:38, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
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(Carlo[[Special:Contributions/41.134.29.49|41.134.29.49]] ([[User talk:41.134.29.49|talk]]) 12:25, January 18, 2013 (UTC))
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: [[Talk:Obito Uchiha (chapter)]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 12:41, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
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::Stop assuming that everyone in the chapter are the same age- problem = solved.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
   
Ah, good eye. I think I have a good way to word it. Improve it as you see fit. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 21:47, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
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Obito is 4 years older, he was 13 around his "death' there's no error with the 3 you mentioned, but with Anko, Hayate and Ibiki, they screw with the timeline.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Equipment ==
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== Kakashi's True Jounin Age ==
   
Why is there no such section? Kakashi used chains while fighting Pain. --[[Special:Contributions/178.223.189.179|178.223.189.179]] ([[User talk:178.223.189.179|talk]]) 18:54, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
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Recent evidence suggests that Kakashi became a Jounin at age 9. Can someone please confirm? And if so, please give me the okay to add it to Kakashi's page. Steveo920, 22:25 February 6, 2013
:In the infobox, there is a section called "tools". In that, I see the [[Manriki-gusari|chain he used]]. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 18:57, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Profile image ==
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Yes, it was at 9, but that comes from math, not directly stated in manga. That's why I did remove 13 and haven't written it as 9, cause people must agree first.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
=== Attempt #1 ===
 
The image of the profile is awful.. can't we change it?? {{unsigned|Davidenko95}}
 
:If you have a better one from Part I (not Shippuden), then you can upload it as a suggestion. Make sure you upload it to a new file and add the necessary info (see my page for guidelines). Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (~) ~[[User:Hakinu|Hakinu]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hakinu|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hakinu|contribs]])</sup> 15:27, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I think Shippuden will also work, there's no difference at all. But I don't really see wrong with his image. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 16:02, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Lol, why can't Shippuden images being used if the character has not changed any noticeably?
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Where was it established that Kakashi is younger than Obito though? Or is that just meant to make chapter 599 somehow consistent with Kakashi's age 6 promotion?--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 20:05, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Thought that's only to portray how they looked at the start of the series ... Kakashi looks the same--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:22, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
:@Hakinu The Shippuden image can be used in a case like Kakashi where his appearance does not change one bit. The Shippuden image cannot be used if there is a complete change of the character between Part I and Part II --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 17:54, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
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Both databooks and manga say so. They started together and graduated together and became a team, so it's logical--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:14, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
=== Attempt #2 ===
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Until the databook confirms anything, all of this is just speculation. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 04:35, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
I've found a better image from the latest episode, but I don't know whether I should crop it to a smaller size since the image I got was captured at 1920x1080 resolution. Should I upload the image as is and ask for your opinion on its suitability ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 10:12, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yeah Speysider please try to upload it. xD BTW Elveonora, that's my point, though. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 10:23, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
::[[:File:Kakashi_ws_shot.png|Done]] --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 10:26, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::It's a good image, but I don't think the other's reaction about his eye. Many guys overlook the image too hard. xD —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 11:31, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::In the first place I dont see any reason to change the existing image. And @Speysider: Your image is good. But the eye seems to be a problem [[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil<sub>2212</sub>™]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:13, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::You seem to have no reason to change any of the images when some are poor quality or just plain suck. I don't see how the eye makes any difference, some other images have exactly the same issue and they are fine, so I don't see a problem with this one. The current Kakashi image makes it seem like he is bored and has no enthusiasm whereas the proposed one shows slightly better enthusiasm --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 12:18, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::I will search for a better image and get back to you [[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil<sub>2212</sub>™]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:33, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I really don't see a thing wrong with the image currently in Kakashi's infobox. It's centric, he's facing forward etc.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:07, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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No, it isn't, because the information comes from databooks. So waiting for a databook to confirm what already previous one say is nonsensical.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:40, May 1, 2013 (UTC)
   
:He's facing forward as well in the proposed image ? --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 13:11, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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Everyone go to Elveo's talk page and look at my first post. I prove indefinitely that Kakashi was 11 when he became jonin and when the gaiden occured. Elveo is hell bent on him being 9 instead of 11 for some reason [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 11:20, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
::Yup. So why change the image when both are almost same ? [[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil<sub>2212</sub>™]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:15, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::It seems you won't relent, let's leave this here. Your being far too petty over simple things imo and you need to just let people try to improve the wiki, rather than destroy it. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 13:17, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Kakashi's hair looks a bit short in that image from 258. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:32, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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== important question ==
   
:It does seem a bit short, animation error though or the fact that's the only good scene I can use of Kakashi (might be able to use one nearer the end of the episode if possible) from this episode. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 19:34, April 14, 2012 (UTC)
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I understand this has probably been asked hundreds of times, but is this: ttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xC9jBucf8GQ/TG3ri7KPHsI/AAAAAAAAMGs/z4JtZOmR8ko/s1600/Kakashi%27s+Face+Revealed!!-08.png an actual image fromt he comcis showing his entire face?
   
=== Attempt #3 ===
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--[[Special:Contributions/174.25.57.18|174.25.57.18]] ([[User talk:174.25.57.18|talk]]) 04:28, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
I have a good quality image replacement. Should i upload it ?--[[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(talk)]] 08:44, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Give it a shot Salil! —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 08:48, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::[[:File:Kakashi Hatake3.png|Done]] --[[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(talk)]] 09:22, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I like it. Any opinions guys? —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 10:15, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::As Cerez said above, there isn't really a need to change the image. If there was a possibility of an image change, it would be better to use a higher quality one, as your one is slightly blurred. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 11:00, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::My image is a png which is offcourse better than the jpg used now. I dont find it blurr at all. Also the eye in the existing image looks weird. --[[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(talk)]] 11:05, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::I know it is. Also, I wasn't saying "use the one I suggested above", I was merely pointing out that a different HD shot from the recent episodes would be better. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 11:07, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
It is good as a temporary replacement though. And I never said that u wanted ur image. --[[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(talk)]] 11:13, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
:Oh lol, sorry for the misunderstanding about the image thing :P --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 11:13, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
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For some reason, on my computer that png won't pull up, but I just read that chapter recently. If you are asking if it is his actual face, then no it isn't. It was Pakkun who thought that his face looked a specific way. The other dogs had an idea of what he looked like, too. The picture was what he assumed it looked like, but at the end of the chapter, all of the ninja hounds are thinking "that wasn't like it at all" or something like that, since kakashi walks up to them without his mask on (of course you can't see his face, though). [[User:Adam10003|Adam10003]] ([[User talk:Adam10003|talk]]) 04:35, February 7, 2013 (UTC)Adam
::So we can use that image now? —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 11:22, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Wait for people besides the 3 of you to chime in.
 
:::I will not because I see nothing wrong with the current image and I'm sure this sentiment will lead nowhere in a prolonged discussion.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Uzumaki Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:09, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I don't know why, but when I make an opinion about a proposed image change, people seem to think the answer is yes, even when I say no. :/ --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 12:12, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Then if you proposed an image they will say no. Weird. But Salil's image has better quality. I don't know guys WHICH KIND OF IMAGE you like. Most images are rejected, tell me what kind of image? —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]|[[w:c:rockleespinoff|My Wiki]]) 12:20, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It was not me who started this disscussion . The only thing is that the image is of a low quality and HIS EYE LOOKS SMALL --[[User:Salil dabholkar|Salil]] [[File:Uchiha Symbol.svg|15px]] [[User talk:Salil dabholkar|(talk)]] 12:24, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I see no point in changing an already excellent image. The current one is of good quality, drawn properly and colored well by the animators, has Kakashi in his typical lazy-aloof expression and he's facing forward. If you can find an image that does all of that better, by all means show us, but I've yet to see one suggested that did so. And what's with the current "we must change ''every'' character's infobox image" wave? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 13:58, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
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== trivia worthy ==
:Must be the new thing that's going on the Narutopedia, I really don't like the proposed image either, the current one is fine the way it is. <span class="textovisible" style="font:bold 15px Tempus Sans ITC;text-shadow:2px 1px 2px #990000">-[[User:White Flash|<font color="black">White Flash</font>]]-[[User talk:White Flash|<font color="black">(Talk)</font>]]-</span> 19:08, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::You guys really need to let this movement die now. There's nothing wrong with the image so no need to change it...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:47, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Vandalised ==
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Latest chapter says that emotions or what **** cause an Uchiha's brain to release special chakra that affects their brain and makes their eyes Sharingan, but Kakashi ain't one, thus Obito's eye shouldn't be able to turn MS in Kakashi's socket--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:00, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
Someone trolled the page again. Added something about him being a porn actor.{{unsigned|EatsRainbows}}
 
:It's been taken care of.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:16, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Japanese Naming Issue ==
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It applies to Danzo and Itachi's crow as well though, so if anything it should probably be mentioned on the Mangekyo article. Unless you're referring to him first unlocking the Sharingan's third tomoe and Mangekyo, but that might be due to it still having a link with Obito's body (he held his empty eye socket when he started seeing through Kakashi's vision).--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 20:05, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
in the bottom trivia section, it says his name is 畑案山子, so then why is it written in hiragana then katakana at the top? on other pages you don't restrain yourself from using kanji. this wiki is very inconsistent
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Old dude and the bird got MS already as a transplant, Kakashi awakened it without having Uchiha brain chakra thingy in his head. That basically means he didn't unlock it and it changed only due to the connection to Obito's other eye--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:16, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:Wouldn't quite change about it on the Kakashi part. Kakashi also went through the emotion shock. It still could be that everyone generates that different chakra when going through that, and in the Uchiha's case, because their eyes are different, react to it becoming Sharingan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:35, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
[[Special:Contributions/24.5.242.92|24.5.242.92]] ([[User talk:24.5.242.92|talk]]) 03:30, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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That would mean an Inuzuka can awake Sharingan, the chapter clearly said "special chakra" in Uchiha's brain affects optic nerve and creates Sharingan--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
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:Special brain chakra would only affect the eyes of the Uchiha, turning them into Sharingan. Stick a Sharingan into a non-Uchiha and make them go through the trauma, the effect would be the same. Until they say otherwise, Kakashi developed his MS on his own. Trauma triggers special chakra, and because he had a Sharingan, it affected it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:58, February 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
yes, i agree, when there's kanji available, i think you should use it. or at least be consistent
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== chakra reserves ==
   
[[User:Binatang|Binatang]] ([[User talk:Binatang|talk]]) 03:56, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Yeah, his improved quite a bit since Part I. but the abilities section doesn't take into consideration having chakra restored by Kurama against Obito and such--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:34, February 9, 2013 (UTC)
   
Actually, you're not getting it. Kakashi's name is written the way it's in the infobox, the fact it has the same pronunciation as that is meant to be a pun. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:58, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Taijutsu
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hi i'm not registered in this site but please take this in consideration
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in kakashi's taijutsu section i think it shoud be put there more arguments about kakashi's streng as for example when he break one of pain chakra rods.
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i didn't edited myself because i don't know if i can since i'm not registred thanks
   
then maybe in the trivia it should be more clear? it wasn't clear to the first poster, i think maybe cuz it doesn't specifically say that it's a play on words in the trivia part?b eh doesn't bother me too much
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*I'm wondering, the chakra being visible was from the chidori, not because Kakashi's chakra was strong, right? Also, the scene shown as an example was about how much chakra he put in, not quality.--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 07:51, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[User:Binatang|Binatang]] ([[User talk:Binatang|talk]]) 04:03, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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== Element Icon For Kakashi ==
   
With the "Kakashi" part, I'm not sure. It seems that when Kakashi is meant to mean scarecrow, as is the case with the character, it is usually written using kana alone. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:07, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Since I've read his jutsu list; Shouldn't he have the :
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* Ice Release
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* Wind Release
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--[[User:Asuma 000|Asuma 000]] ([[User talk:Asuma 000|talk]]) 13:23, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
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:He's never used Wind Release and Ice Release was movie-only so it's excluded from the infobox.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:49, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
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::I think he used wind in a game, but they are also non-canon so... [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 13:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
   
oh yes, that is true. while kanji exists for the word kakashi, it's non-standard, and should be written in kana, only old people will still use kanji for this word, because the japanese language was not standardized until after world war II
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Well this is good. I can now ask my follow-up question. Then why aren't the movie only character's movelist's on their infoboxes.
i guess this matter is resolved
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@ Jacce : Then if we use the moves of the video game on the info boxes, then why don't other characters get the same treatment, if you will. Not to sound condescending of course :) --[[User:Asuma 000|Asuma 000]] ([[User talk:Asuma 000|talk]]) 09:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
[[User:Binatang|Binatang]] ([[User talk:Binatang|talk]]) 04:11, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:We did. Somewhere along the way, an update to the extension kind of broke that functionality. Making that work would probably make something else break. An the only video game moves that should appear on anime/manga character infoboxes are techniques that they used in those media, but were only named in video games. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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::Wait, really? As far as I can tell from a glance on the infoboxes, game and movie Jutsu are defined as <code>NonCanon</code>.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:10, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Game and movie techniques are considered non-canon, but there are instances in which video games provide names for techniques that went unnamed in the manga and anime. Sasori's Puppet Technique: Prosthetic Arm Senbon and Prepared Puppet: Eight Waves of Needles happened in the manga, but only have named because they were so named in video games. Same with A's Lightning Straight, Danzō's Wind Release: Vacuum Blade. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
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::::I am aware of that. I was talking about the coding of the infoboxes themselves.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 03:45, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:::::Oh that, no, they're not coded to show game and movie techniques for anime and manga characters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:01, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
== ANBU Kakashi ==
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== Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique (Anime only) ==
   
Isn't that picture from a movie (non-canon material) ??? "_"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:43, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
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[[Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique]] should be added to Kakashi's jutsu list. It's already mentioned in his Nature Transformation section, and his infobox does include Fire (Anime only) in his Nature Types. Plus, he's listed in Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique's user list (Anime only.) General Awesomo 08:49, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
: Yes, the first movie. Though it's not the only instance where [[:File:Young Shizune.png|non-canon material]] is used to illustrate [[Shizune#Background|canon information]]. It's been replaced with [[:File:Chapter 090.jpg|something more canon]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 03:00, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
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:Techniques appears by themselves in characters infoboxes when added to the techniques infobox, however there is a bug in the system that causes some techniques to be missing. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 10:03, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
   
Cool, just found it weird to have a scene from non-canon movie pasted there to showcase a canonical event.
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== Discord about Kakashi's last words ==
Same goes for younger Teuchi from the 4th Shippuden movie image, it's not canonical yet still used 0_o--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:58, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Is it not cannonical in the sense that it breaks the timeline barrier like the image of Tsunade meeting her grandfather or in the sense that it's from the movie? Because I believe once there's nothing wrong with the timeline of the image it can be used until we possibly get one from the manga. The same would go for Kurotsuchi as a child, how are we to know that she wasn't blonde and curly-haired otherwise?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:03, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
The Kurotsuchi is questionable and for a review, that's why I brought it up :) and for Teuchi, not just it's from movie, but the timeline of Ichiraku Ramen opening is incorrect--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:20, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
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In this and in Obito's article, there is a contrast between the words spelled by Kakashi at the end of the last chapter (told in the end of the part 2 section of both the characters) and the translation of the sentence under Kakashi's triva section:
   
== Kakashi's age during the Kakashi Gaiden ==
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Here the translation of Kakashi'sentence under his trivia section:
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"(To Obito) "In the ninja world, those who break the rules are trash. However, those who abandon their comrades are worse than trash. And the ones who abandon their friends' feelings are even worse than that. I won't get rid of your past feelings, even if it's you who's refusing them.""
   
Is there any evidence which suggests Kakashi was 13 when he got promoted to Jonin? I'm having trouble finding evidence for the notion that he was 13 at the Gaiden.--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 19:43, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
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Here the summarize of the end of the last chapter in both Kakashi and Obito's article:
:That comes from a pattern observed in the teams of Kohona. They all graduate at the same age, and Obito's age of death in the databooks is 13. Kakashi was promoted just before Obito died, so if they're the same age, he was promoted at age 13. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:20, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
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"Kakashi however reminds Obito of the lesson he once taught Kakashi: One who abandons their friends are worse than trash. As Obito was taken aback by these words, Kakashi declared that he force these feelings back on Obito, even if he refuses."
   
You can even calculate it... 30-17=13, in Gaiden Kakashi was just recently promoted--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 02:31, August 15, 2012 (UTC)
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In addition to the lack of the part about who abandon friend's feelings is worse than trash, seems wrong to say that Kakashi want force these feelings back in Obito, when actually seems that he declared that he don't want abandon them (contrarily to what done by Obito himself).--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 07:46, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
Though is there anything explicitly saying/suggesting that the Kakashi Gaiden took place 1 year prior the Kyuubi attack?
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== Age of Obito solved. ==
   
I get the pattern, though I always figured Kakashi's age was referenced at some point.--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 00:12, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
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http://img23.narutoverse.org/mangas/raw/73421/73421/599/narutoverse14.jpg
   
Because Minato was elected right after the war and got killed in a year?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:23, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
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This image takes place right before the Gaiden. Gai and Asuma are 11 and 12 as chunins here, and Kakashi is the same age as Gai. Kakasi just became a jonin(he was officially 11) and obito was 13 according to databooks. therefore obito and rin are 2 years older than Kakashi. [[Special:Contributions/96.241.55.117|96.241.55.117]] ([[User talk:96.241.55.117|talk]]) 04:01, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
   
He was only being given gifts for being Promoted to Jonin, he was 9 when he became a Jonin. Do the math with their graduation ages and use Chapter 599 and you will see, he's just big for his age and was a Genius of course so he advanced easily, but there is one problem, Itachi was 4 during the 3rd war and Kakashi is 9years 8months and 25days older than Itachi. [[Special:Contributions/173.66.119.89|173.66.119.89]] ([[User talk:173.66.119.89|talk]]) 02:16, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
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== ages ==
   
No, Kakashi was surely promoted to Jounin at 13. Why would they give him gifts for his promotion 3 years later? ;D
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Mind you, there are 36 graduates(ShounenSuki said at least) from the academy each time and ninja registration numbers are what a ninja is given when they pass the academy and become genin, getting their pics taken and reg. number given. Mind you ShounenSuki told me this a some time ago.
Basically you said it yourself, there's a problem... time-line screw up--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:14, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
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Here are the facts
   
You are right, he was promoted at 13. There is a timeline screw up. It can be remedied somewhat if they retcon what tobi said about itachi being 4 years when he got traumatized by the 3rd war. Then if they remove Kakashi and most of the others from most of the chapter 599 flashbacks, then it will be manageable. [[Special:Contributions/173.66.119.89|173.66.119.89]] ([[User talk:173.66.119.89|talk]]) 08:21, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
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Now Kakashi Graduated the Academy in only one year and was then given his reg. number upon becoming genin. The rest did not graduate in one year. Asuma and Gai were chunin in chapter 599 when rin shows her plan. Obito was 13 at Kanabi Bridge which took place very very soon after Rins plan was shown. Itachi was 4 in the 3rd war, most likely near the end which the Kanabi bridge incident was near. Itachi was 5 when obito atacked konoha. Kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than Itachi and he was 14 years and 25 days during the nine Tails Attack.
   
So there's no actual databook, manga or fan book statement to back this claim up? [[User:FallenAngelII|FallenAngelII]] ([[User talk:FallenAngelII|talk]]) 17:46, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
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The evidence here stacks up evenly, making Kakashi 11 when he became a Jonin, making him 2 years and 7 months younger than Obito and Rin.
   
Obito and Kakashi are the same year age and Obito died at 13 and is 7 Months and 5 days older than Kakashi. The 3rd war ended shortly after the Kannabi bridge was destroyed and then Minato was elected Hokage. Not long after that, a year at most.. Naruto was born and the Kyuubi attacked, Kakashi was 14 and 25days when the Kyuubi Attacked. Do the math, Kakashi Surely was 13 when he became Jonin and Obito died, also Kakashi is 9 years 8months and 25days older than Itachi. Do the math. [[Special:Contributions/173.66.119.89|173.66.119.89]] ([[User talk:173.66.119.89|talk]]) 16:12, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
But, they didn't graduate at the same age. Kakashi was four years younger when he graduated. ([[User:Anonymius|Anonymius]] ([[User talk:Anonymius|talk]]) 12:44, November 3, 2012 (UTC))
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Kakashi Hatake Birthdate September 15 Age Part I: 26-27 Part II: 29-30 Ninja Registration 009720 Academy Grad. Age 5 Chūnin Prom. Age 6
   
== Sharingan Deterioration ==
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Might Gai Birthdate January 1 Age Part I: 26-27 Part II: 30 Ninja Registration 010252 Academy Grad. Age 7 Chūnin Prom. Age 11
   
In naruto '''manga 598 page 12''' is possible to see blood dripping from kakashi's eye.{{unsigned|200.222.27.249}}
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Asuma Sarutobi Birthdate October 18 Age Part I: 27-28 Part II: 31 Ninja Registration 010829 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 12
:Yes.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:41, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Well, he wasn't using it as often as Itachi and Sasuke, so that explains the lateness of bleeding/sight degradation--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:51, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
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Kurenai Yuuhi Birthdate June 11 Age Part I: 27-28 Part II: 31 Ninja Registration 010881 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 13
   
:Sasuke's eye bled the first time he cast Amaterasu (from Itachi's Tensha Fuuin). Kamui might just take much less strain on the eye than Amaterasu. Remember, Itachi's eye has never bled from casting Tsukuyomi. [[User:FallenAngelII|FallenAngelII]] ([[User talk:FallenAngelII|talk]]) 13:19, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
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Rin Nohara Birthdate November 15 Ninja Registration 010885 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 11
   
== Kishimoto Mess-Up in Chapter 599 ==
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Obito Uchiha Birthdate February 10 Age Part I: 13 (Kakashi Gaiden) Ninja Registration 010886 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 11
   
Um.. Kakashi is said to have become Chuunin at the age of 6... in the manga he clearly looks 13 or older. Should this be noted? {{unsigned|184.58.148.93}}
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== movie stats ==
: See [[Talk:Obito Uchiha (chapter)]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 08:16, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
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Someone should add what his stats were when he was nine years old in his stat box!!![[Special:Contributions/208.65.172.242|208.65.172.242]] ([[User talk:208.65.172.242|talk]]) 13:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Carignan
   
Added it to the trivia--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:04, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
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* Not canon
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* The 3 tiers of stats come from databooks, we can't simply add 4th one until Kishimoto reveals it.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Earth jutsu? ==
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I understand that, but why does information like that have to be in the Trivia section. It should at least be moved to the abilities section... And the characters number of missions should at least be put in the background section![[Special:Contributions/66.211.134.194|66.211.134.194]] ([[User talk:66.211.134.194|talk]]) 18:13, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan
   
I don't see the Earth Wall jutsu he used against Deva Path under the jutsu section, shouldn't it be added since it says he uses Earth Release? [[Special:Contributions/173.63.93.233|173.63.93.233]] ([[User talk:173.63.93.233|talk]]) 20:53, September 3, 2012 (UTC)BobBob
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I also meant to say Kakashis stats from when he was 10 years old. They were shown in one of the Shippuden movies.[[Special:Contributions/66.211.134.194|66.211.134.194]] ([[User talk:66.211.134.194|talk]]) 18:15, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan
   
"Due to the MediaWiki upgrade many parts of the site will appear broken such as filterable lists. We do ask that you bear with us as the issues are addressed" I say, make it red...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:59, September 3, 2012 (UTC)
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Abilities section contain stuff from manga, databooks and anime. Trivia is a more suitable place for those "points of interest" notes from databooks like hobbies, number of missions, liked/least liked food etc.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
:It is possible that some people's landing platform is [[Special:WikiActivity]] and not the homepage, in which case they wouldn't see the notice unless they're using Monobook.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:53, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::My suggestion is put it on community messages. {{User:UltimateSupreme/Sig}} 11:58, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I don't go to the homepage, rather just go on google and type naruto [character name here] and it brings up the wiki page for that character instead. My bad. [[Special:Contributions/173.63.93.233|173.63.93.233]] ([[User talk:173.63.93.233|talk]]) 18:31, September 5, 2012 (UTC)BobBob
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== Kakashis Love Interest ==
   
== wait.. his rank should be Anbu ==
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In the game Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3, it was hinted that Kakashi has a crush on Shizune. Can that be put in as Trivia?[[Special:Contributions/66.211.134.194|66.211.134.194]] ([[User talk:66.211.134.194|talk]]) 18:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan
   
Since he was promoted to Anbu for many years after becoming Jonin at 13, even if he is not in the Anbu anymore he should still be Anbu rank, just like former Kage are still Kage rank. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:26, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
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== I know this is reviving an old topic sort of but.. ==
   
umm actually, the anbu are really more so a team than a rank. and as for the kage thing, its because they were still kage at the time of their deaths.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.106|98.26.246.106]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.106|talk]]) 07:38, September 4, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
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We need to come to a decision for now. Without chapter 599, Kakashi became a Jonin at 9 years old, if we include chapter 599, he was 11 years old. Until Databook 4 clears this all up, I(shockingly lol) vote that on his page we put that he became a Jonin at 9 years old if it is not already there. What about you Sysops and Elve?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:10, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
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:We in fact don't, it isn't important. And don't say that you know it's an old topic while bringing it up at the same time anyway, because if you truly had accepted as such and had let it go, you wouldn't constantly bother with it. This will sound egoistic, but more proper topic have gone unresolved, with those of mine included. But back to this... I mean, the infobox doesn't even have "Jounin promotion age" section I believe, the only option would be to specify it in articles, but since a reasonable conclusion can't be reached due to its problematic nature, it's best to leave it out so everyone can make out their own judgement. EDIT: also, why do you insist on knowing my opinion despite constantly having personal affairs with me? You insulted me twice in a row lately--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:07, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
That's not the way Anbu rank works, its a separate rank altogether. Since Kakashi joined the ranks of the regular forces, he can longer be Anbu ranked, if he's not an Anbu...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:00, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
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Because although you are rude and there are some things we disagree on, you are one of the few people on here who actually knows what they are talking about besides the Sysops. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:47, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
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:You are the only one who's constantly bringing these things up, huh? Now, I do think that I've more experience in such things than most of you guys here, that's why I can say that the best reson to handle such stuff is simply not to add it. ''Any information that's based on speculation has not to be included in the article''. This is something this wiki needs to learn, I think. Also, as Elveonora said, we don't need to come to a decision, this whole thing is not up to us do decide. We write down what was said and not what we believe is correct. If there's an obvious mistake in what the manga said, we write it in the Trivia section. Anything else is too much. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:34, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
   
Orochimaru was no longer Anbu when he left as shown by his normal Jonin outfit and the fact he was not with Danzo or Hiruzen as an Anbu at that time and yet on his rank he is still currently classified as Anbu. Yamato no longer was Anbu as he became a Jonin again and part of Team 7 and yet he is still labeled as Anbu. Same with Sai, he is no longer Anbu and yet he is still labeled as such. A LOT of people are in fact. [[Special:Contributions/173.66.119.89|173.66.119.89]] ([[User talk:173.66.119.89|talk]]) 16:15, September 8, 2012 (UTC)
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== Love interest? ==
   
Unless I'm mistaken, ANBU position and a ninja rank are listed separately, unless only one is known--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:15, September 9, 2012 (UTC)
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In naruto ultimate ninja 3 it was hinted many times that he has a crush on Shizune Is this trivia worthy at all?[[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 06:11, November 13, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec
   
== When did we find out what age he became Jounin ==
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Can you provide examples of this?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 22:28, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
When did we find out that Kakashi became a Jounin at age 13 or close to age 13? A debate has broken out on NarutoForums and I can't find any manga or databook pages to supposed that supposition. Does anyone know? [[User:FallenAngelII|FallenAngelII]] ([[User talk:FallenAngelII|talk]]) 13:13, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
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Yes I can give a few examples I just noticed it because i went back to replay the older games
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Examples
   
: [[#Kakashi's age during the Kakashi Gaiden]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 13:15, September 4, 2012 (UTC)
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1) Shizune was the only girl Kakashi felt embarrassed to be seen with especially at the dango shop.
   
Use this Calculator in conjuction with given birthdates for Kakashi and Obito and Rin and Gai and Naruto and Itachi. I used it and found Kakashi is 14 years and 25 days older than Naruto. [[Special:Contributions/173.66.119.89|173.66.119.89]] ([[User talk:173.66.119.89|talk]]) 11:10, September 24, 2012 (UTC)
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2) He would blush and try to get away from her.
   
== Undergarment and head band color? ==
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3) He wasnt like this when he went with Anko or sakura or anyone else.
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[[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 14:02, November 14, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec
   
Now I know this is going to sound stupid, but please bear with me... Is it worth noting that Kakashi's undergarment and headband colors differs from the Shippuden anime and the Part II manga? In the anime he still retains the dark blue undergarments, while in the the Part II manga (color pages) it is black? On Chapter 531 cover, one sees Kakashi's garments and headband is colored black. And like I said at the beginning, I know it sounds stupid to bring such a trivial thing up, but I did see it was worth noticing in Mu's Appearance section that his (Mu's) headband color change was changed in the anime, from the original manga color. [[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 15:24, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
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I honestly don't know what to make of this. If someone can show me where I can see theses scenes on YT, that'd be great. I would like to confirm it for myself.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 22:53, November 14, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Face under mask ==
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== Trivia section ==
in chapter 16 i thought when kakashi wakes up and startles naruto and sakura sakura whispers something about trying to look under his mask? i do not own this chapter and have only read it on mangahere, if you want a look its page 19, chapter 16 {{unsigned|208.124.127.75}}
 
   
So?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:08, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
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Kakashi's triva for his stats in The Lost Towers has his age wrong, as Naruto knew Sage Mode in that movie right?? So Kakashi was 10, not 9 since it is 20 years before the Databook 3 timeline. I fixed it [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:35, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Sharingan question after chapter 605. ==
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== Look at this. ==
   
Ok so i will try to do it short .. my question is this one , not even a question , just food for thought.. in the last chapter it show that Obito and Kakashi awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan at the same time.. could it be the fact that , even a transplanted eyes still linked to the original wielder or something ? because it happen almost instantly like they are in sync.. i know it not a forum but if it true something about it should be said under the sharingan section.--[[User:Tchad1|Tchad1]] ([[User talk:Tchad1|talk]]) 11:54, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
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I think Studio Pierrot is saying Kakashi is 13 in Kakashi Gaiden. He told those girls this in this video. Seelentau I think you should watch this and tell us everything you can get out of this video please.
:That's always a possibility. However, it could also be equally possible that the two just witnessed/did something that was truly traumatic casing the eye to awaken. Kakashi did after all kill someone near and dear to him and Obito witnessed it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:06, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It's a possibility, and something that will likely be cleared up soon. Given Madara's talk about how both eyes need to be together to gain their full power, I would think that is somehow involved but that's still within the realm of speculation and as such, should not be incorporated into the articles until we know the facts.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 15:21, October 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
How can we say that the eyes aren't connected when Obito was able to see what Kakashi was seeing? Also, Kakashi was in the process of passing out as the MS was being formed. Only Obito was 100% alert and aware at Rin actually dying. Not saying Kakashi wasn't aware, but as I stated, he was in the process of passing out. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 13:09, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkwaP68kQ0
   
== Error about the interpretation of "You let Rin die" ==
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Thanks man. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 05:39, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes, the producer-guy is saying that he's 13. But haven't you seen my new timeline yet? I managed to put everything regarding Kakashi and Obito into it without having to ignore anything (yet). Take a look at it ^_^ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:26, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
About this sentence, reading various forums I noticed the spread of a misinterpretation of the phrase present also on the pages of Kakashi and Obito in this wikia. From a conversation between me and a Japanese translator on NF:
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I wouldn't put my finger on it. Rarely do they work with Kishimoto, lots of things aren't to be taken for granted when it comes to anime content. It's just their interpretation of the things--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:28, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Elve-kun, perhaps they do some work with Kishimoto for those cases like that, did you ask yourself what Kishi do for his entire day rather than his mangaka job? So, it probably do some works related to his main work. Back to the topic, this video reveals some good information about the new filler arc and at least it's considered as a source of information till the next databook release. Thanks a lot, ItachiWasAHero —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:38, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I also think that this arc is based on Kishimoto's information. They wouldn't go and make it without talking to him. That also means that he still has some clue about what he's doing with the dates and everything. I just wondered that the anime showed the chapter 599 mistake with Anko and them... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:09, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
: '''My question:''' ''Reading Narutopedia I had doubts about the infamous answer of Obito "You let Rin die"... could you please say me takL if it was reffered to the question of Kakashi about the reason because Obito remained hidden from Konoha, or if it was the anser to the reason for his actions (and consequently the Moon's eye plan)?''
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You're welcome Shakhmoot, and Seelentau, you might have to link me to your new timeline, the wiki is acting weird for me. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:11, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
: '''The answer of the translator:''' ''kakashi asked obito "if u re alive... why untill now (have you not shown yourself to me)...?" and obito said "but...yea ...if you really ask me why (I havent)..." "thats because you didnt save rin...""from dying...perhaps" So its the former i assume.''
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== here this goes ==
   
: Source: [http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=44834283&postcount=896
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Thanks to studio pierrot we are finally given flat out age numbers of when he joined Anbu and during Kakashi Gaiden. He is stated to have been 13 during the Gaiden and 14 when he joined Anbu. Databook has not elaborated on that neither has Manga, so the only canon source left is the Anime. Btw, I'm sure with something like this the talked to Kishi about it. So shouldn't this be put into his page?? Also, the ninja reg numbers support him being 13 in the Gaiden as Seelentau's new timeline shows.
   
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=44837272&postcount=897]
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http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User:Seelentau/NewTimeline
   
I think so that the part of the articles about the sentence in Kakashi and Obito's profile should be corrected.
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See here. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 08:39, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
PS: To avoid misunderstandings, I say this indipendentely from the effective reasons of Obito for his acts (I have no problems with these in any cases), it's just to not do a wrong information on the wikia.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 13:06, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
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== Translated video ==
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-836729/naruto-shippuden-kakashi-shadow-of-the-anbu-black-ops
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[[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:29, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
The only place I could find it was in the chapter article, which was changed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:23, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
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== Opening ==
   
:In the end of the paragraph part II is written: "''When Kakashi questions him as to how he survived, Obito avoids his question but explains the reason for his plans; Kakashi's failure to protect Rin, causing Obito to hate "this useless reality", an answer that only caused Kakashi to sink further in depression."''
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"is one of the main characters of the series, a jōnin-level shinobi from Konohagakure and the leader of Team 7." He is a Jonin by rank not by level, he is actually KAGE level as he was voted to be the next Kage and would have been if Tsunade didn't wake up, he was even chosen before Danzo, but Danzo used KotoAmatsukami and his words to make the lords choose him. Kakashi is Kage level, not Jonin level, enough said. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 00:47, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
:While under the page of Obito Uchiha, always in the end of the paragraph on part II, is reported: ''"When asked how he survived, Obito dodged the question and instead reveals his motivation; Kakashi's inability to save Rin, leading Obito to hate the reality they live in."''
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Kakashi was also 2 seconds away from officially becoming 6th Hokage too, so he was 6th Hokage Candidate for a bit just like Danzo. That fact should be added in too. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 00:49, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
:I think that these ones should be corrected.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 18:00, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
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:1) You do not need to post the same thing in three separate places.
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:2) Kakashi was never officially made Candidate. Danzo was. Kakashi was about to, but then Tsunade woke up and that ended that real quick.
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:3) The opening is fine. By rank, Kakashi is Jonin rank. If comments have to be made that he should is closer to Kage level, that should be in the Abilities section.
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:4) Under absolutely no circumstances are you to make edits saying something, then go to the talk page after the fact. That just makes you look foolish.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:02, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
::I don't see why those need to be changed. YOu have an issue with "you let Rin die" yes? And the translator says Obito directly said "thats because you didnt save rin...""from dying...perhaps". Outside of writing it word-for-word. They're saying the same thing. You didn't save her, you failed to protect her/inability to save her. The differences don't seem so big that they should cause an issue to readers.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:53, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
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Jonin level is different than Jonin rank. Kage candidate is the same either way, its the CANDIDATES. Kakashi and Danzo. Yeah I jumped the gun changing anything in the infobox. But you need to get your facts straight, rank and level are two different things, Naruto is Genin rank but he is easily Chunin level, possibly even Jonin level. Kakashi is Jonin rank, but he is estabilished as Kage level, Sasuke was Genin rank, but at Chunin exams 2-3 dif people said he is Chunin level. Think about that before you revert my text, because either you change the Jonin level part to Jonin rank, or you keep it at Kage level. Use your brain. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:30, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
::: Sorry I think that I have expressed bad my thoughts, I have no problem with this sentence, the point of my reasoning wasn't the words of Obito but the reason for them. I wanted just say that many readers in the forums think that Obito's answer was referred to the reason because he started the moon's eye plan. In that panel anyway he was just answering about the reason because he remained hidden from Konoha (the previous question of Kakashi): indeed if in the recent chapters Rin wasn't die (by the inability of Kakashi), who could think that Obito would return to Madara? Finally free, surely he would definitely return to Konoha.
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:He is a Jōnin by rank and by level (in terms of strength). He is no way near Kage level, maybe lower Kage level (like Gaara), but hell, look at Hiruzen. '''That''' is Kage level. Furthermore, he wasn't appointed as Hokage the same way Danzō was. He was never called 候補 ''kohō'', meaning ''candidate'', so we don't add that. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:19, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::So I think that there was a misunderstanding, my point was in the reason for the answer of Obito, I don't discuss about what he is saying. I just wanted to not send the misinterpretation to others readers, just this. --[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 19:16, October 15, 2012 (UTC)
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The only thing he has that isn't Kage level is his chakra levels and he is def making progress in that, but you have to be Kage level to be chosen as Kage and he was 2 secs away from that. He is definitely stronger than Gaara and Gaara is a Kage, who is Kage level. Yeah its true to say Koho was never used for him so your right on that. But Kakashi beat Obito, figured out how Kamui worked and was also the one to figure out Pain's abilities and figure out Obito couldn't use the Six Paths techniques with his Six Paths of Pain Jinchuuriki's. It feels like there is a lot of underestimating going on with Kakashi. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:01, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Normal eyes ==
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:I won't get into an argument about what Kage level really means, because that is bullcrap. At one point, Naruto was fighting Tobi and Madara on perfectly even ground, then all of a sudden he just gets merked. Trying to calculate strength like it was DBZ is bullcrap.
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:Second, as far as the opening is concerned, Kakashi is a jonin-level ninja, as an a ninja who's rank is jonin. That's like me saying I'm security level 5 because i have level 5 security clearance. That's really all it means. It's the exact same reason we mark Naruto as a genin-level ninja, and we all know if it was going by "power level" he should have been ranked "God".--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:52, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
On [http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/608/9 this] page (page 7 i guess without the fanart) of chapter 608 Kakashi is seen with two normal eyes. My guess would be that this is simply an error, but what do you guys think. --[[User:Cosmikaze|Cosmikaze]] ([[User talk:Cosmikaze|talk]]) 14:03, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
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For one, we do not work with definitions with inconsistencies in mind. Two, Mangakas are not perfect, nobody is. Three, There is clearly and easily different tiers/levels of skill and power. Genins are generally Genin level which is above academy level, Chunin above Genin, and Jonin above Chunin, Kage above Jonin. Thats the rank and the GENERAL skill/power tier/scales. Kakashi was stated by Tsunade and others and the lords(no one cares what they say really) to be Kage material and their choice as the next Kage, being KAGE Level. Naruto is Genin Rank, do you think he is still on Genin Level?? Because if you do then now you're just being argumentative.. Naruto could go Toe to Toe with Kakashi meaning he is low Kage Level like Gaara and Sasuke. You keep thinking Rank defines Level and skill of EVERY person of that rank.. that is wrong. Kakashi, Naruto, and Sasuke are Kage level but Kakashi is Jonin Rank, and the other two are officially Genin Rank. Think about that logically and take a few breaths, calm your self down and stop arguing [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:44, January 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
He probably deactivate his sharingan. [[User:MaskedManMadara|MaskedManMadara]] ([[User talk:MaskedManMadara|talk]]) 14:07, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
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:And you are continuously failing to recognize that Kakashi, regardless of his actual strength is a jonin-level shinobi. He is officially recongize as a jonin. The opening states he is a jonin. It will not say "He is a Kage-level jonin" because that gets convoluted and opens a can of worms.
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:And you can't tell me to stop arguing and think logically when you yourself are not. I have stated, time and time again that as far as the opening is concerned, it's just going to mention his official rank. If you feel the need to add his Kage-levelness, it would go under Abilities. It is not however going up in his opening, which is what I've been trying to get at this entire time.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:17, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh sorry I forgot that he can't does that. so its a error. [[User:MaskedManMadara|MaskedManMadara]] ([[User talk:MaskedManMadara|talk]]) 14:08, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
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He is Jonin ranked and it now says he is Jonin ranked so I'm okay with that as that is more correct there than Jonin leveled is. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:57, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Kakashi has learned to use the warping part of Kamui ==
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==Root==
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Is it alright to list him as a Root member already or should we wait until next week to make absolutely sure he's in? [[User:Idontcareaboutmyname|Idontcareaboutmyname]] ([[User talk:Idontcareaboutmyname|talk]]) 16:35, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:He was seen officially reporting directly to Danzō. He's in. Steveo920, 11:38, February 13, 2014
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::Yep, he's a Root now. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:41, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He was a Root if you want to get technical--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:55, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
He has learned to warp himself with it just like Obito. As shown in 608. It should be added in his Mangekyo section. [[Special:Contributions/173.66.119.89|173.66.119.89]] ([[User talk:173.66.119.89|talk]]) 21:24, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
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==Raiden.png...==
:All of Kamui is warping. Kakashi simply did the same thing he always does, on himself.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:12, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
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...is used twice in this article which looks weird. Should it be changed to another one? [[User:Noweeaboohoo|Noweeaboohoo]] ([[User talk:Noweeaboohoo|talk]]) 22:56, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes. No image should be used twice in the same article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:15, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Origin...? ==
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== Kakashi's blind in his left eye now. ==
   
Has his resemblance to Rikimaru been noted before? I can't seem to find it anywhere on this wiki, but the similarities are too coincidental to not be noted. --[[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 18:30, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
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He explicitly says so in the mangastream translation, which at times is more accurate than Mangapanda's. So can we just say the Kamui eye is blind now?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:43, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
:Because the "this character looks like another" thing isn't done on this wikia.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:34, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:Mangastream- Speaking honestly, I've lost all vision out of my left eye.
But it's from another series and can we at least suggest the heavy physical similarities between '''these''' two? They're virtually identical(albeit in a different sort of animation). --[[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 18:40, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:Mangapanda- To be honest, I can't really see well with my left eye.
:No. The link between the two would have to be much more stronger for that connection to be mentioned in the article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:40, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:Kakashi can still use the left eye, so it means that Kamui isn't really blinded right? Plus, like Cerez said, it's just the drawbacks. Unlike Itachi who had his eyesight deteriorated due to his usage of Sharingan over the years. Also, I think we should wait for raw for the translation. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 18:51, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
What about the same colored mask over the same part of the face, a katana equipped in the back, gray spiked hair, he's a '''main character''' ninja in the Tenchu series who is noted to have a '''calm composure'''? If that's not enough, then I give up, because there's no further similarities to my knowledge.--[[Special:Contributions/165.138.142.66|165.138.142.66]] ([[User talk:165.138.142.66|talk]]) 19:56, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
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:: Itachi could still use Susanoo despite being completely blind in his battle with Sasuke. Madara could use Susanoo without eyes. So Kakashi going blind in his left eye and being able to use Kamui is still feasible.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:53, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Itachi wasn't blind back then, just almost. I guess it's the same for Kakashi. [[User:Noweeaboohoo|Noweeaboohoo]] ([[User talk:Noweeaboohoo|talk]]) 19:00, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Yeah, and Itachi and Madara have been using their MS often, unlike Kakashi who tries not to use it as much as possible, knowing the drawbacks. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 19:03, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unless Kishimoto-sensei says so. Or if there is an undeniable connection between both the character and the series creator. Then i'd say not to add it.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.74|98.26.246.74]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.74|talk]]) 20:17, November 9, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
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Mangastream's translations were undoubtedly better… when they were provided by HisshouBakurein (however it's spelled). Their current translator isn't as good as that one. They still have better quality images, but their translation is pretty much on par with mangapanda's now. The way he or she translated the "steps" is a very clear indicator of that. Those weren't steps, those were speeds, Lee mentions them as well. The fact mangapanda puts them as rōmaji makes that even more apparent. Anyway, on the topic, I wouldn't say Kakashi's left eye is blind just yet. Impaired, certainly, but completely blind? Only when the raw confirms it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:40, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
I agree. This is Naruto, not Tenchu. So stop this unnecessary discussion about Kakashi and Rikumaru.
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I'm going to have to agree. Kakashi's eye is not blind, just strained from its repeated use in a single day. When Sasuke and Itachi went blind, if not near, their respective eyes were clearly blurry. Kakashi's remains normal. Steveo920, 16:06, March 19, 2014
[[User:Zoeyua|Zoeyua]] ([[User talk:Zoeyua|talk]]) 20:26, November 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Possible wrong sentence ==
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Until the raw comes out and Seelentau looks at it. There is no real point discussing this, as there is a 50% chance either of you could be right or wrong. Itachi's vision was blurry when he fought Sasuke, maybe that is where Kakashi is, maybe not. Maybe it's only a temporary loss of sight because of his constant use of the mangekyo and Kamui during the war. In short there is no point discussing it until the raw is properly translated [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:59, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
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: So what is the status of the RAW and its translation?--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 06:34, March 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
''At the same time, he has mysteriously not shown any signs of deteriorating vision despite having accessed it for nearly two decades and used Kamui multiple times in a single battle.
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Kakashi had a contract with the ninken since he was a child As not by pakun during the episode of kiba being train by pakun it noted in causal conversation with as they was trying to determine what his face look like. he didn't create or get a contact during his mid anbu days {{unsigned|Kyoto360}}
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:Unless I'm mistaken, since there was that omake about Kakashi's face that involved his ninken, what was said is that those specific ninken have been with Kakashi since they were children. Kakashi's earliest known use of ninken is during his Anbu days. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:25, April 4, 2014 (UTC)
I think that this sentence, the last one under the voice "Mangekyou Sharingan", should be deleted because the wrong info inside it: at the beginning of the Shippuuden, Kakashi say to Naruto and Sakura to be improved also him like them because now he has a new jutsu (talking about the Kamui), so it's a sign that he hasn't ever used his MS before the timeskip or at least he wasn't able to use his jutsu. This explain because he hasn't lost his sight until now, thing that anyway it's happened in a certain measure, like his words to Itachi suggest it during his meeting with him in the rescue of Gaara's mission. And about Kakashi's multiple use of Kamui, an explanation could be simply the improvement of his stamina, an hypothesis taken in consideration under the voice "Chakra prowess" comparing the different abilities shown by Kakashi in battle during the series.--JK88 (talk) 13:55, November 10, 2012 (UTC)--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 13:59, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It's been removed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:03, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
:Thanks Cerez--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 14:33, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Mayhaps I should explain the reason here:
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== Kakashi's Kekkei Genkai ==
* There is no plausible explanation for what Kakashi said to Itachi when he asked him how far his eyesight had deteriorated.
 
* Kakashi unlike Uchiha cannot deactivate the eye, ergo he cannot use it as a normal eye. So the opportunity for us to see how far his eyesight has deteriorated, is non-existent.
 
* Also bear in mind that the deterioration of the eyesight does not stop them from using the dōjutsu any at all (until they go blind presumably) and Kakashi predominantly uses the Sharingan only using its evolved form since the encounter with Deidara.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:26, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
As far as we all know Kakashi, I expect him to figure out that an Uchiha would get more side effects other than the non-Uchiha, which are the deterioration of the eye. Either way, we still haven't seen him show any signs of deterioration of his eye, so we can't say that he's suffering from it. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 17:24, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Should we remove the Sharingan and Mangekyō Sharingan from Kakashi's Kekkei Genkai list (at least for now), since Madara has taken the eye away from him? As far as visual Kekkei Genkai (Dōjutsu) go, having them removed means you lose them right? I ask this because Madara retained the Sharingan/Rinnegan Kekkei Genkai on this site after his revival, when - for a few chapters - he did not possess them. [[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 23:13, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:That is not how this website works. The pages document the whole series at once. If a character could at some point use X, he/she is still listed as a user of X despite possibly being unable to do so anymore.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:22, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
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::What Elveonora said. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:59, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
The absence of evidence does not mean the evidence of absence.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.74|98.26.246.74]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.74|talk]]) 17:42, November 10, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
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== Kakashi did not beat Obito in combat single-handedly ==
   
:Ah, but the absence of evidence means it doesn't get mentioned on this wikia. In the same manner you think that we're assuming that his eyes is deteriorating, is the same way people assume that itn't. However, there is more evidence pointing towards it happening than it not.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:36, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
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Obito let him win in order to remove his seal. That statement should be removed from the article as it isn't a real feat.
:: Indeed. Just because it's not stated doesnt mean that it isn't happening. I think that until he's stated to be a special case, that we simply keep it like it is for every mangekyo sharingan weilder.[[Special:Contributions/98.26.246.74|98.26.246.74]] ([[User talk:98.26.246.74|talk]]) 19:57, November 10, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
   
Everyone who held the Mangekyo Sharingan other than Obito and Shisui suffered eye deterioration. Obito's right eye didn't suffer any, which would mean that the left eye, which Kakashi has, wouldn't suffer either. As for Shisui's eye, I have no idea. Probably 'cause Danzo had Senju DNA with him. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 03:05, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
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[[User:Kenny U|Kenny U]] ([[User talk:Kenny U|talk]]) 23:33, May 7, 2014 (UTC) Kenny U.
   
:Not because no one responds to this in a day means it's over and you can re-add the information. There's three people here against the addition of the information which technically means it cannot be readd. I'm not sure I can respond to your logic, because it is inherently flawed so how about we let other people chime in. Because I've explained to you already in my first post why you would probably '''never''' see signs of Kakashi's eyesight deteriorating- go read it again.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:04, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Possible continuity error worth noting? ==
   
There were multiple times where we could've seen how his vision weakened. For instance, the Kazekage Rescue Arc and the Invasion of Pain Arc. I won't go on and keep counting. It's such a drag......... --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 13:48, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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Is it worth noting that the slashes across Kakashi's chest disappeared? When fighting Obito, Kakashi received an X shaped cut across his chest. The cut went through his flack jacket and is still present when fighting Obtio in the other dimension. By the time he returns from the other dimension the large cut is gone and his flack jacket is intact.--[[User:Soul reaper|Soul reaper]] ([[User talk:Soul reaper|talk]]) 13:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
:{{Quote|Kakashi unlike Uchiha cannot deactivate the eye, ergo he cannot use it as a normal eye. So the opportunity for us to see how far his eyesight has deteriorated, is non-existent.}} We will never see Kakashi stumbling around because he has a normal eye which is not strained. So it's sorta like him having a cheat code. Itachi who was near-blind was able to use his Sharingan/Mangekyō Sharingan perfectly. Which brings us back to the fact that Kakashi knew the eye came with debilitating sight. So unless he found the shrine underneath the village, there is no other way for him to know this.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:39, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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:Maybe he stitched it. Sounds more like chapter trivia. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:28, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Never will see him stumble? Remember in the Land of Waves Arc, after Haku took Zabuza's 'corpse'? Kakashi collapsed after taking a few steps. There were other times where he showed tiredness from using the normal Sharingan, but I won't recall them, as it's such a drag... At any case, we won't see him tired from using the normal Sharingan in Shippuden, of course, since he's stronger and grown more accustomed to it. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 15:59, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Infobox Image ==
   
I meant in the way that Sasuke did when he knocked over the glass. Maybe I should have said "fumble". Don't include any time that Kakashi's fallen because of fatigue. And until we find evidence that Kakashi's eye is not sinking into blindness then it can't be mentioned in his article. You're free to beleive whatever you want however.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:05, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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How about changing the infobox image to [[:File:Kakashi2.png | this]]? It has almost the same angle and size, except in a better quality. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:22, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:{{Neutral}} If you find a good quality of the current image. It should be enough, and about your image. It's quite good but I don't like the hair depiction of it. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:25, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I could crop a bit more of the hair out maybe? I already removed a good part of his torso, since it would be to big then. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:27, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
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I found another one from the same episode, just a few seconds before the last. See if that works better --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:36, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:That's definitely better than your first image and the hair depiction is so close to the current image. I like it and here is my {{Support}} but you have to upload it with a new name according to the [[image policy]]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:41, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Sure thing, will do! --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#0040FF">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 14:45, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't know what Sasuke has to do with this, but in response to what you last said, we don't have any evidence of his eye sinking to blindness either. He knows that the Mangekyo Sharingan sinks the eyes to blindness, yes, but he hasn't shown any signs of it other than chakra exhaustion and visible strain, which aren't signs to losing the eyesight unless the eye's bleeding, which is what happens to every eye that possessed the Mangekyo Sharingan, except for Obito's and Shisui's, which are excused probably for Senju DNA. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 16:25, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
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== Should we mention that ==
   
Obito Uchiha & Kakashi Hatake - Gained Mangekyou Sharingan nearly 20 years ago. Both still capable of seeing and using it.
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Kakashi awakened his mangekyo at 12? Studio pierrot says he was still 12 when he became a Anbu and he is 7 months younger than Obito and Obito was 13 so Kakashi awakened a eye that wasn't his to mangekyo at 12yrs old, Itachi still holds the record at 11yrs old though. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:45, June 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Only in the anime tho.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:31, June 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Itachi Uchiha - Gained Mangekyou Sharingan what, 8 years before his death? Ended up practically blind fighting Sasuke.
 
   
Sasuke Uchiha - Had Mangekyou Sharingan after fighting Itachi. Ended up practically blind by the time he met Team Seven again.
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== Sharingan Drawbacks ==
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Since Kakashi received Obito's chakra and manifested the Mangekyō Sharingan in his own eyes, rather than a simple implantation of them, does that mean it voids the drawbacks Kakashi previously encountered (chakra drain, etc)? Since he manifested them and possesses the chakra of an Uchiha clan member, the eyes shouldn't be a foreign entity in his body anymore, right? --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 13:56, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:As long as he has Obito's chakra, yes. But Obito said that it was temporary, I think. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:59, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::Hmm, but didn't he say it was an early gift for becoming the sixth Hokage? It would be a crappy Hokage gift if it ran out... or maybe that translation was wrong. --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 14:01, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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Technically, Obito wasn't sure if it would last. It may last or it may not. The point is, he inherited akin to Sasuke and Naruto gaining power from Hagoromo.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]]
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:Geez, everyone can just pop into existence and give chakra donations these days! --[[User:Atrix471|Atrix471]] ([[User talk:Atrix471|talk]]) 14:10, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
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I'm just guessing here, but maybe its because Obito just died seconds ago and Kakashi still had some of Obito's essence in him from having his Sharingan for nearly two decades that Obito could manifest within Kakashi.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]]
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::But he is using Mangekyou Sharingan that has even bigger drawbacks than the ordinary Sharingan and can even lead to blindness, all that happened to Itachi, Sasuke, Madara(acording to Itachi's story but that story was false on some points).{{unsigned|Hunter4522}}
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Keep in mind Obito has shown to be a strange case with the Mangekyō Sharingan. Despite having it for decades and making regular use of it, he never showed any signs of going blind, possibly from Hashirama's DNA inside of him. I'm not saying Kakashi definitely won't go blind from overuse, the nature of the Mangekyō Sharingan is sketchy at times.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 8:05, August 7, 2014
   
Notice the difference here? There is not set timer on the deterioration. Itachi pulled out all the stops fighting Sasuke, he used Tsukiyomi 'til it broke, spewed Amaterasu 'til the whole place was on fire and summoned Susanoo. He still had it for eight years before we saw notable deterioration in his vision. Sasuke spammed Susanoo and went blind in what, a week or two? If anything, I think we can infer Susanoo does the most damage to the eyesight, but other than that there's no set limit on these things so we can't say if Obito, Kakashi or Shisui's eyes were/are deteriorating, just that it hasn't happened yet. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 02:25, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
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== Kakashi Strength ==
   
Then X29, if there's no evidence that it is or isn't sinking into blindness then it isn't our place to assume that it is or isn't. I was merely pointing out the fact that there is more evidence for it than against it and with no solid proof it shouldn't be mentioned in the article any at all. That can be left up to reader's minds to wander. I believe I'm now done with this discussion.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:47, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
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I believe that kakashi's strength in part 3 being larger than naruto sis ridiculous. Anyone mind if I edit?
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[[User:Water Susanoo|Water Susanoo]] ([[User talk:Water Susanoo|talk]]) 09:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC) Water Susanoo
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:Yes. The stats come from the official databooks and do not represent the current situation. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:42, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
While hoping this isn't misconstrued as a forum matter - while I agree with Cere and others there is no outwardly stated evidence toward either side (though my just-woke-up-memory makes me feel like I remember something mentioned in the manga about the lack of loss), I do have to disagree that there is more evidence towards it. In fact, to say that after stating there's no references supporting it yet say there is still more to support it is contradictory. But that aside...
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== It should be noted that Kakashi's Sharingan has a time limit. ==
   
I feel there's more evidence toward them (Obito and Kakashi) not losing eyesight. What we have to go by are two Uchiha of Sasuke's family, and they use 3 very specific techniques relative to their Mangekyou. Yet 2 Sharigan are completely unrelated and the three users have not used any of the 3 stereotypical techniques (yet; and Shisui being dead). We've seen loss associated with Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, loss perhaps been different in each eye - while Susanoo seems to accelerate it in both (mindful all speculative). Yet Obito, hasn't shown any loss despite having used it in the same manner as Sasuke, while Kakashi was perhaps more like Itachi.
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[http://imgur.com/taLLnNG[Viz Translation]]
   
Of course, Kakashi isn't an Uchiha, but unless Kish decides to even make a hint out of it, then we have no reason to even entertain the notion he has any eyesight loss, and given the nature of how Kish has gone about it - it is more of a notion that there is no loss (at least as of yet - which is exacerbated by the fact of Obito; Kamui is not known to cause any eyesight loss - ''something very important to remember''). And, in fact, he seems to be able to use it even more proficiently in this latest arc. While he cannot switch to a normal eye, the eyesight loss was always also seen while using Sharingan in the 2 "stereotype" Mangekyou. So we would also notice that as it is something Kish would've pointed out (it's actually something pretty significant that shouldn't be missed).[[Special:Contributions/68.47.191.156|68.47.191.156]] ([[User talk:68.47.191.156|talk]]) 14:29, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
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Because it was confirmed in the VIZ translation that Kakashi's Sharingan indeed does a have a fixed time limit albeit an unknown one but it exists nonetheless and it should be noted under his Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan sections like it was in under Kakashi's Susanoo on the Susanoo page.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 19:31, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
:About Obito I wanted just say that if he hasn't signs of loss of eyesight (how seems, given that he has always fought using Kamui and never shown possible collateral effects in his behavior), the more likely hypothesis is that such advantage is given for the presence of a massive quantitative of Senjuu Dna (that from various examples we already now like is able to improve the skills of the sharingan). In the conversation with Kakashi, the words of the copyninja seems clearly indicate that he knows so well the Mangekyou, included his drawbacks, just because he has experimentd on himself, thing that seems confirmed when later against Deidara, we discover that also Kakashi is able to use the Mangekyou; so the Kamui is not an exception among the MS jutsus.--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 22:19, November 14, 2012 (UTC)
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We have already talked about that [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Susanoo#Kakashi_-_fixed_time_limit_.5BVIZ.5D here]. And plus, the link you just gave was already used by @Reliops in the link I just gave, and you took part in that discussion. Did you not notice that the link you gave is the same and has already been used? And in the same page you just linked to, Obito noted that it would bother him to receive back the gift (the Sharingan) he gave to Kakashi. The thing is, Obito said ''it'' has a fixed time limit. We don't know if "it" could be Susanoo or the Mangekyo Sharingan. And given the fact that Obito sounded like he didn't want to receive back the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi, in the link I showed, we've come to the conclusion that the Susanoo has a time limit. Not necessarily the eyes themselves. I'll reiterate, Obito claimed he didn't want to retrieve the gift of his eyes back so why, in the same page, would he make the eyes he doesn't intend for Kakashi to lose temporary? The only thing that makes sense so far is that the Susanoo is temporary. Then again, the Susanoo can disappear next chapter, and reappear a couple chapters later when Kakashi's newly increased reserves are full again. That falls under the definition of "fixed time limit." So far, the Susanoo itself is temporary. Not the eyes. We'll see what happens in the next chapters. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 19:53, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
== New mugshot ==
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What does it matter if the link is the same it's not like there's more then one version of the VIZ translation.
The one of Kakashi looks really odd... --[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 04:42, November 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Bow and arrow ==
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Obito really doesn't have a choice in the matter of whether or not because if was up too him I don't think he would of made it so it doesn't have a time limit so his thoughts on the matter really don't mean anything here.
   
When he used a bow and arrow? --[[User:JoaoKrauss|JoaoKrauss]] ([[User talk:JoaoKrauss|talk]]) 01:29, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
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I think it's pretty clear cut because Obito never actually outright stated it was Susanoo so it doesn't make much sense too assume it only applies too one part and not the entirety.
: [[Talk:Might Guy#new weapons?]]. --[[User:Aged Goblin|<font size="4"><span style='color: Goblin'><font face="Old English Text MT">'''''The Goblin'''''</font></span></font>]] 08:41, November 13, 2012 (UTC)
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Also this Susanoo isn't powered by Kakashi's chakra this is because only possible because he has Obito's chakra once that runs out the eyes and any abilities should go with it since Kakashi has finite source.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 20:32, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
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One, it is Kakashi's Susanoo, it has the scar on the left side of it's face like Kakashi; Two, the Susanoo comes forth from the user's chakra, Kakashi is using Susanoo, not Obito; Three, Obito never outright stated the Mangekyo Sharingan has a limit. All he said was "Plus, it's gonna keep bothhering me that this eye I gave you to celebrate your promotion came back to me" and "IT has a fixed time limit, but it ain't useless..." among other things. All we know is that Obito doesn't intend for Kakashi to lose his Sharingan, and that "it" could have been the eyes or the Susanoo. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 20:42, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
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It is Kakashi's Susanoo not disputing that but it is powered by Obito's Chakra not Kakashi's only has those eye's because he has Obito's chakra it can't be formed by just anyone Kakashi isn't an Uchiha.
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It explains why Madara could still use his Susanoo even without possessing his eyes it's same case here and since Obito's chakra donation will run out so will Susanoo.
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Well just have too wait and see the way I see it is that Obito gave him his eye's temporarily so Kakashi could feel useful and help out against Kaguya.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 21:05, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
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I see where you are coming from. But once again, to quote your link, Obito said "I know you haven't taken office, but I'm giving you your gift now." Obito gave his left eye to Kakashi after he became a jonin. Obito gave Kakashi his chakra before the latter possibly becomes Hokage. From the way Obito sounds in this page, the eyes will last at least until Kakashi becomes Hokage (but why stop there?). We don't know what has a fixed time limit yet, so I agree with you on the notion that we have to wait and see. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 21:12, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
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It would not be truly a gift if it disappeared after a few uses. He is giving it in the same context that he gave Kakashi the left eye originally, but this time its to manifest both eyes. Fixed time limit could mean anything in the time limit range, such as the eyes going blind since they are mangekyo or Kakashi not being able to maintain the mangekyo and susanoo for long since he is new with them. ALSO Ten Tails, Seelentau and Suzaku have told me MANY times that translated RAWS trump VIZ any day so the fixed time limit may not even be correct anyways. Go talk to them if you have a problem with that. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:27, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
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^^^This, this, this & this. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 23:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
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: Aaaaaaaaaaand it's gone. [[User:Xfing|Xfing]] ([[User talk:Xfing|talk]]) 13:35, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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I know I am just grasping on straws, but I seriously hope that Kakashi simply ran out of chakra and can later reactivate the Sharingan at will. This is just not fair that Kakashi loses his Sharingan TWICE. Even more unfair, it stinks that he loses gift but Sasuke keeps his Rinnegan.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 9:40, September 4, 2014
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:Well, Kakashi said "I guess Kakashi of the Sharingan ends today", so until he magically activates it once more, he no longer has it.--[[File:Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna.svg|15px]] [[User:JOA20|'''JOA''']][[User talk:JOA20|''20'']] 13:42, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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: You don't have to tell me. I'm not some delusional fool who ignores what was said. I'm just HOPING that the writers make Kakashi guess wrong.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 9:46, September 4, 2014
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Like I said it was temporary he was only able too use it because Obito gave him his chakra now that's it's gone no more Mangekyo Sharingan Kakashi doesn't have the genes too produce a Sharingan on his own.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 19:20, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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We don't really know what happened with Kakashi's body after spending about twenty years growing up and developing with the Sharingan as the Sharingan itself matured along with Kakashi. But that's the wonderful thing about fiction: the writers can make anything they want happen. They can create a unique nature for any one person. We'll see what happens next.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 15:28, September 4, 2014
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Having a transplanted Sharingan does not make Kakashi an Uchiha he can't awaken one on his own the only way Kakashi is getting another Sharingan if he gets a transplant.--[[User:Thdyingbreed|Thdyingbreed]] ([[User talk:Thdyingbreed|talk]]) 20:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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I never said it made him an Uchiha, only that maybe he acquired some of the Sharingan's essence after growing up with it, kind of like how various shinobi have modified themselves to gain Kekekai Genkai. Look, I am not ignoring what happened. Obito left and Kakashi's eyes returned to normal. I accept that. I am just HOPING that somewhere before the series' end Kakashi regain the Sharingan power..—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 16:38, September 4, 2014
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So was the power that had the "fixed time limit" Obito was talking about the Rikudou's power (in chapter 689) rather than the Mangekyo Sharingan or Susanoo? [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 06:08, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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Well damn.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 06:11, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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== Kekkei Genkai ==
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should we add a "former" to both sharingan & mangekyo in his info box since he has lost them...or do U wanna wait more for further proof of his sharingan loss... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 10:51, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:No. As far as the wiki is concerned, every part of the series is relevant. It would be like removing 'Jinchuriki' from Gaara.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:15, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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no no I'm not saying to remove I'm totally against that...I'm just simply suggesting that since he no longer has sharingan it should be stated as a former KG...& maybe U can add a former to the jinchuriki status of gaara too...cuz he appears alive in the story after the removal of shukaku unlike most other jinchurikis that died with the biju removal...kakashi is still in the series playing a role but without his KG...so I thought the word former would be suitable to his KG status...doesn't that make sense? --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 12:08, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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uuuuhhhh...does anyone have any opinion regarding this... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 13:10, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:In the past I suggested that we should separate actual kekkei genkai from transplants, suggestion of mine was denied :-/--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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::I'd be inclined to agree with that, and it wouldn't just apply to Kakashi, but also Madara, Obito, Nagato, Danzo, Ao, Kabuto and Orochimaru as well.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:28, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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why those characters :|? --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 15:32, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because they all have achieved certain abilities restricted to KKG abilities through unnatural means. Their abilities, by definition, would not be bloodline limits as there is nothing hereditary about their possession of it.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:35, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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understood a bit more...though I'm not sure if they are in the same situation like kakashi...would be great if U give each one an example so I can fully understand Ur viewpoint... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 15:39, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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*Kakashi has a Sharingan implant
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*Nagato has Rinnegan implants
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*Ao has a Byakugan implant
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*Madara has Mokuton implanted through Hashirama's DNA
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*Obito has Mokuton implanted through Hashirama's DNA
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I think that's all of them.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 15:46, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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now that's better...got it...but I think my point is a little different...I'm saying since kakashi lost his sharinan & is still alive & playing a role in the story his KG info-box should be added with a "former"... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 15:52, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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I know that his & the examples U gave don't actually have their KG as their OWN KG & they're all transplants...this is different matter from what I'm discussing... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 15:58, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:The wiki chronicles all information at any given time, therefore I don't think the "former" tag is quite necessary, though I'm not exactly opposed to it either.--[[User:Reliops|Reliops]] ([[User talk:Reliops|talk]]) 16:00, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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== Konoha History Arc ==
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Alot of Kakashi's missions that took place in the Konoha History Arc take place throughout part 1 but for a large majority of those events we don't know WHEN exactly. A example of this is various events that could of happened at the end of the Land of Waves Arc or the same events could of started at the beginning of the Chūnin Exam Arc. I'm proposing we make a Konoha History Arc and instead of all the mass content we just put a summary like we have on Naruto's page. --[[User:Kris.gilson.12|Kris.gilson.12]] ([[User talk:Kris.gilson.12|talk]]) 15:10, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

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Kakashi/Guy/Obito Chunin exams? Edit

Hi.

I just saw something when I was going through Kakashi, Guy and Obitos profiles. They said Kakashi became chunin when he defeated Guy a year after he graduated (he was 6 years old). This doesn't make sence scince they couldn't have done the chunin exams together(Guy only graduated the acadamy at the age of 7 and obito when he was 9 years old). They all joined the acadamy at the same time so they have to be the same age. Guy might be a year older and took the chunin exam for the first time the same year he graduated which would make sense but there is no way Obito could have taken the chunin exam with Kakashi when he was still in the acadamy.

I would like to hear your thoaghts on this.

(Carlo41.134.29.49 (talk) 12:25, January 18, 2013 (UTC))

Talk:Obito Uchiha (chapter). --The Goblin 12:41, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
Stop assuming that everyone in the chapter are the same age- problem = solved.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Obito is 4 years older, he was 13 around his "death' there's no error with the 3 you mentioned, but with Anko, Hayate and Ibiki, they screw with the timeline.--Elveonora (talk) 14:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashi's True Jounin Age Edit

Recent evidence suggests that Kakashi became a Jounin at age 9. Can someone please confirm? And if so, please give me the okay to add it to Kakashi's page. Steveo920, 22:25 February 6, 2013

Yes, it was at 9, but that comes from math, not directly stated in manga. That's why I did remove 13 and haven't written it as 9, cause people must agree first.--Elveonora (talk) 16:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Where was it established that Kakashi is younger than Obito though? Or is that just meant to make chapter 599 somehow consistent with Kakashi's age 6 promotion?--BeyondRed (talk) 20:05, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Both databooks and manga say so. They started together and graduated together and became a team, so it's logical--Elveonora (talk) 20:14, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Until the databook confirms anything, all of this is just speculation. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 04:35, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

No, it isn't, because the information comes from databooks. So waiting for a databook to confirm what already previous one say is nonsensical.--Elveonora (talk) 10:40, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Everyone go to Elveo's talk page and look at my first post. I prove indefinitely that Kakashi was 11 when he became jonin and when the gaiden occured. Elveo is hell bent on him being 9 instead of 11 for some reason ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:20, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

important question Edit

I understand this has probably been asked hundreds of times, but is this: ttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xC9jBucf8GQ/TG3ri7KPHsI/AAAAAAAAMGs/z4JtZOmR8ko/s1600/Kakashi%27s+Face+Revealed!!-08.png an actual image fromt he comcis showing his entire face?

--174.25.57.18 (talk) 04:28, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, on my computer that png won't pull up, but I just read that chapter recently. If you are asking if it is his actual face, then no it isn't. It was Pakkun who thought that his face looked a specific way. The other dogs had an idea of what he looked like, too. The picture was what he assumed it looked like, but at the end of the chapter, all of the ninja hounds are thinking "that wasn't like it at all" or something like that, since kakashi walks up to them without his mask on (of course you can't see his face, though). Adam10003 (talk) 04:35, February 7, 2013 (UTC)Adam

trivia worthy Edit

Latest chapter says that emotions or what **** cause an Uchiha's brain to release special chakra that affects their brain and makes their eyes Sharingan, but Kakashi ain't one, thus Obito's eye shouldn't be able to turn MS in Kakashi's socket--Elveonora (talk) 17:00, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

It applies to Danzo and Itachi's crow as well though, so if anything it should probably be mentioned on the Mangekyo article. Unless you're referring to him first unlocking the Sharingan's third tomoe and Mangekyo, but that might be due to it still having a link with Obito's body (he held his empty eye socket when he started seeing through Kakashi's vision).--BeyondRed (talk) 20:05, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Old dude and the bird got MS already as a transplant, Kakashi awakened it without having Uchiha brain chakra thingy in his head. That basically means he didn't unlock it and it changed only due to the connection to Obito's other eye--Elveonora (talk) 20:16, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't quite change about it on the Kakashi part. Kakashi also went through the emotion shock. It still could be that everyone generates that different chakra when going through that, and in the Uchiha's case, because their eyes are different, react to it becoming Sharingan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:35, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

That would mean an Inuzuka can awake Sharingan, the chapter clearly said "special chakra" in Uchiha's brain affects optic nerve and creates Sharingan--Elveonora (talk) 22:50, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

Special brain chakra would only affect the eyes of the Uchiha, turning them into Sharingan. Stick a Sharingan into a non-Uchiha and make them go through the trauma, the effect would be the same. Until they say otherwise, Kakashi developed his MS on his own. Trauma triggers special chakra, and because he had a Sharingan, it affected it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:58, February 7, 2013 (UTC)

chakra reserves Edit

Yeah, his improved quite a bit since Part I. but the abilities section doesn't take into consideration having chakra restored by Kurama against Obito and such--Elveonora (talk) 16:34, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Taijutsu hi i'm not registered in this site but please take this in consideration in kakashi's taijutsu section i think it shoud be put there more arguments about kakashi's streng as for example when he break one of pain chakra rods. i didn't edited myself because i don't know if i can since i'm not registred thanks

  • I'm wondering, the chakra being visible was from the chidori, not because Kakashi's chakra was strong, right? Also, the scene shown as an example was about how much chakra he put in, not quality.--Deathmailrock (talk) 07:51, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Element Icon For Kakashi Edit

Since I've read his jutsu list; Shouldn't he have the :

  • Ice Release
  • Wind Release

--Asuma 000 (talk) 13:23, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

He's never used Wind Release and Ice Release was movie-only so it's excluded from the infobox.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:49, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
I think he used wind in a game, but they are also non-canon so... Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:58, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

Well this is good. I can now ask my follow-up question. Then why aren't the movie only character's movelist's on their infoboxes. @ Jacce : Then if we use the moves of the video game on the info boxes, then why don't other characters get the same treatment, if you will. Not to sound condescending of course :) --Asuma 000 (talk) 09:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)

We did. Somewhere along the way, an update to the extension kind of broke that functionality. Making that work would probably make something else break. An the only video game moves that should appear on anime/manga character infoboxes are techniques that they used in those media, but were only named in video games. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:51, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Wait, really? As far as I can tell from a glance on the infoboxes, game and movie Jutsu are defined as NonCanon.~ UltimateSupreme 16:10, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
Game and movie techniques are considered non-canon, but there are instances in which video games provide names for techniques that went unnamed in the manga and anime. Sasori's Puppet Technique: Prosthetic Arm Senbon and Prepared Puppet: Eight Waves of Needles happened in the manga, but only have named because they were so named in video games. Same with A's Lightning Straight, Danzō's Wind Release: Vacuum Blade. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:22, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
I am aware of that. I was talking about the coding of the infoboxes themselves.~ UltimateSupreme 03:45, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
Oh that, no, they're not coded to show game and movie techniques for anime and manga characters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:01, March 17, 2013 (UTC)

Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique (Anime only) Edit

Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique should be added to Kakashi's jutsu list. It's already mentioned in his Nature Transformation section, and his infobox does include Fire (Anime only) in his Nature Types. Plus, he's listed in Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique's user list (Anime only.) General Awesomo 08:49, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Techniques appears by themselves in characters infoboxes when added to the techniques infobox, however there is a bug in the system that causes some techniques to be missing. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 10:03, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Discord about Kakashi's last words Edit

In this and in Obito's article, there is a contrast between the words spelled by Kakashi at the end of the last chapter (told in the end of the part 2 section of both the characters) and the translation of the sentence under Kakashi's triva section:

Here the translation of Kakashi'sentence under his trivia section: "(To Obito) "In the ninja world, those who break the rules are trash. However, those who abandon their comrades are worse than trash. And the ones who abandon their friends' feelings are even worse than that. I won't get rid of your past feelings, even if it's you who's refusing them.""

Here the summarize of the end of the last chapter in both Kakashi and Obito's article: "Kakashi however reminds Obito of the lesson he once taught Kakashi: One who abandons their friends are worse than trash. As Obito was taken aback by these words, Kakashi declared that he force these feelings back on Obito, even if he refuses."

In addition to the lack of the part about who abandon friend's feelings is worse than trash, seems wrong to say that Kakashi want force these feelings back in Obito, when actually seems that he declared that he don't want abandon them (contrarily to what done by Obito himself).--JK88 (talk) 07:46, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Age of Obito solved. Edit

http://img23.narutoverse.org/mangas/raw/73421/73421/599/narutoverse14.jpg

This image takes place right before the Gaiden. Gai and Asuma are 11 and 12 as chunins here, and Kakashi is the same age as Gai. Kakasi just became a jonin(he was officially 11) and obito was 13 according to databooks. therefore obito and rin are 2 years older than Kakashi. 96.241.55.117 (talk) 04:01, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

ages Edit

Mind you, there are 36 graduates(ShounenSuki said at least) from the academy each time and ninja registration numbers are what a ninja is given when they pass the academy and become genin, getting their pics taken and reg. number given. Mind you ShounenSuki told me this a some time ago. Here are the facts

Now Kakashi Graduated the Academy in only one year and was then given his reg. number upon becoming genin. The rest did not graduate in one year. Asuma and Gai were chunin in chapter 599 when rin shows her plan. Obito was 13 at Kanabi Bridge which took place very very soon after Rins plan was shown. Itachi was 4 in the 3rd war, most likely near the end which the Kanabi bridge incident was near. Itachi was 5 when obito atacked konoha. Kakashi is 8 years 8 months older than Itachi and he was 14 years and 25 days during the nine Tails Attack.

The evidence here stacks up evenly, making Kakashi 11 when he became a Jonin, making him 2 years and 7 months younger than Obito and Rin.


Kakashi Hatake Birthdate September 15 Age Part I: 26-27 Part II: 29-30 Ninja Registration 009720 Academy Grad. Age 5 Chūnin Prom. Age 6

Might Gai Birthdate January 1 Age Part I: 26-27 Part II: 30 Ninja Registration 010252 Academy Grad. Age 7 Chūnin Prom. Age 11

Asuma Sarutobi Birthdate October 18 Age Part I: 27-28 Part II: 31 Ninja Registration 010829 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 12

Kurenai Yuuhi Birthdate June 11 Age Part I: 27-28 Part II: 31 Ninja Registration 010881 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 13

Rin Nohara Birthdate November 15 Ninja Registration 010885 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 11

Obito Uchiha Birthdate February 10 Age Part I: 13 (Kakashi Gaiden) Ninja Registration 010886 Academy Grad. Age 9 Chūnin Prom. Age 11

movie stats Edit

Someone should add what his stats were when he was nine years old in his stat box!!!208.65.172.242 (talk) 13:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC) Carignan

  • Not canon
  • The 3 tiers of stats come from databooks, we can't simply add 4th one until Kishimoto reveals it.--Elveonora (talk) 13:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

I understand that, but why does information like that have to be in the Trivia section. It should at least be moved to the abilities section... And the characters number of missions should at least be put in the background section!66.211.134.194 (talk) 18:13, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan

I also meant to say Kakashis stats from when he was 10 years old. They were shown in one of the Shippuden movies.66.211.134.194 (talk) 18:15, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan

Abilities section contain stuff from manga, databooks and anime. Trivia is a more suitable place for those "points of interest" notes from databooks like hobbies, number of missions, liked/least liked food etc.--Elveonora (talk) 20:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashis Love Interest Edit

In the game Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3, it was hinted that Kakashi has a crush on Shizune. Can that be put in as Trivia?66.211.134.194 (talk) 18:17, June 17, 2013 (UTC)Carignan

I know this is reviving an old topic sort of but.. Edit

We need to come to a decision for now. Without chapter 599, Kakashi became a Jonin at 9 years old, if we include chapter 599, he was 11 years old. Until Databook 4 clears this all up, I(shockingly lol) vote that on his page we put that he became a Jonin at 9 years old if it is not already there. What about you Sysops and Elve?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:10, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

We in fact don't, it isn't important. And don't say that you know it's an old topic while bringing it up at the same time anyway, because if you truly had accepted as such and had let it go, you wouldn't constantly bother with it. This will sound egoistic, but more proper topic have gone unresolved, with those of mine included. But back to this... I mean, the infobox doesn't even have "Jounin promotion age" section I believe, the only option would be to specify it in articles, but since a reasonable conclusion can't be reached due to its problematic nature, it's best to leave it out so everyone can make out their own judgement. EDIT: also, why do you insist on knowing my opinion despite constantly having personal affairs with me? You insulted me twice in a row lately--Elveonora (talk) 21:07, July 13, 2013 (UTC)

Because although you are rude and there are some things we disagree on, you are one of the few people on here who actually knows what they are talking about besides the Sysops. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:47, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

You are the only one who's constantly bringing these things up, huh? Now, I do think that I've more experience in such things than most of you guys here, that's why I can say that the best reson to handle such stuff is simply not to add it. Any information that's based on speculation has not to be included in the article. This is something this wiki needs to learn, I think. Also, as Elveonora said, we don't need to come to a decision, this whole thing is not up to us do decide. We write down what was said and not what we believe is correct. If there's an obvious mistake in what the manga said, we write it in the Trivia section. Anything else is too much. Seelentau 愛 12:34, July 14, 2013 (UTC)

Love interest? Edit

In naruto ultimate ninja 3 it was hinted many times that he has a crush on Shizune Is this trivia worthy at all?Munchvtec (talk) 06:11, November 13, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec

Can you provide examples of this?--NinjaSheik 22:28, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

Yes I can give a few examples I just noticed it because i went back to replay the older games Examples

1) Shizune was the only girl Kakashi felt embarrassed to be seen with especially at the dango shop.

2) He would blush and try to get away from her.

3) He wasnt like this when he went with Anko or sakura or anyone else. Munchvtec (talk) 14:02, November 14, 2013 (UTC)munchvtec

I honestly don't know what to make of this. If someone can show me where I can see theses scenes on YT, that'd be great. I would like to confirm it for myself.--NinjaSheik 22:53, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Trivia section Edit

Kakashi's triva for his stats in The Lost Towers has his age wrong, as Naruto knew Sage Mode in that movie right?? So Kakashi was 10, not 9 since it is 20 years before the Databook 3 timeline. I fixed it ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:35, November 28, 2013 (UTC)

Look at this. Edit

I think Studio Pierrot is saying Kakashi is 13 in Kakashi Gaiden. He told those girls this in this video. Seelentau I think you should watch this and tell us everything you can get out of this video please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBkwaP68kQ0

Thanks man. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:39, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the producer-guy is saying that he's 13. But haven't you seen my new timeline yet? I managed to put everything regarding Kakashi and Obito into it without having to ignore anything (yet). Take a look at it ^_^ Seelentau 愛 12:26, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't put my finger on it. Rarely do they work with Kishimoto, lots of things aren't to be taken for granted when it comes to anime content. It's just their interpretation of the things--Elveonora (talk) 13:28, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Elve-kun, perhaps they do some work with Kishimoto for those cases like that, did you ask yourself what Kishi do for his entire day rather than his mangaka job? So, it probably do some works related to his main work. Back to the topic, this video reveals some good information about the new filler arc and at least it's considered as a source of information till the next databook release. Thanks a lot, ItachiWasAHero —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:38, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
I also think that this arc is based on Kishimoto's information. They wouldn't go and make it without talking to him. That also means that he still has some clue about what he's doing with the dates and everything. I just wondered that the anime showed the chapter 599 mistake with Anko and them... Seelentau 愛 16:09, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome Shakhmoot, and Seelentau, you might have to link me to your new timeline, the wiki is acting weird for me. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:11, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

here this goes Edit

Thanks to studio pierrot we are finally given flat out age numbers of when he joined Anbu and during Kakashi Gaiden. He is stated to have been 13 during the Gaiden and 14 when he joined Anbu. Databook has not elaborated on that neither has Manga, so the only canon source left is the Anime. Btw, I'm sure with something like this the talked to Kishi about it. So shouldn't this be put into his page?? Also, the ninja reg numbers support him being 13 in the Gaiden as Seelentau's new timeline shows.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/User:Seelentau/NewTimeline

See here. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:39, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Translated video Edit

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-836729/naruto-shippuden-kakashi-shadow-of-the-anbu-black-ops ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:29, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

Opening Edit

"is one of the main characters of the series, a jōnin-level shinobi from Konohagakure and the leader of Team 7." He is a Jonin by rank not by level, he is actually KAGE level as he was voted to be the next Kage and would have been if Tsunade didn't wake up, he was even chosen before Danzo, but Danzo used KotoAmatsukami and his words to make the lords choose him. Kakashi is Kage level, not Jonin level, enough said. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:47, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Kakashi was also 2 seconds away from officially becoming 6th Hokage too, so he was 6th Hokage Candidate for a bit just like Danzo. That fact should be added in too. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:49, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

1) You do not need to post the same thing in three separate places.
2) Kakashi was never officially made Candidate. Danzo was. Kakashi was about to, but then Tsunade woke up and that ended that real quick.
3) The opening is fine. By rank, Kakashi is Jonin rank. If comments have to be made that he should is closer to Kage level, that should be in the Abilities section.
4) Under absolutely no circumstances are you to make edits saying something, then go to the talk page after the fact. That just makes you look foolish.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 01:02, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Jonin level is different than Jonin rank. Kage candidate is the same either way, its the CANDIDATES. Kakashi and Danzo. Yeah I jumped the gun changing anything in the infobox. But you need to get your facts straight, rank and level are two different things, Naruto is Genin rank but he is easily Chunin level, possibly even Jonin level. Kakashi is Jonin rank, but he is estabilished as Kage level, Sasuke was Genin rank, but at Chunin exams 2-3 dif people said he is Chunin level. Think about that before you revert my text, because either you change the Jonin level part to Jonin rank, or you keep it at Kage level. Use your brain. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:30, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

He is a Jōnin by rank and by level (in terms of strength). He is no way near Kage level, maybe lower Kage level (like Gaara), but hell, look at Hiruzen. That is Kage level. Furthermore, he wasn't appointed as Hokage the same way Danzō was. He was never called 候補 kohō, meaning candidate, so we don't add that. Seelentau 愛 09:19, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

The only thing he has that isn't Kage level is his chakra levels and he is def making progress in that, but you have to be Kage level to be chosen as Kage and he was 2 secs away from that. He is definitely stronger than Gaara and Gaara is a Kage, who is Kage level. Yeah its true to say Koho was never used for him so your right on that. But Kakashi beat Obito, figured out how Kamui worked and was also the one to figure out Pain's abilities and figure out Obito couldn't use the Six Paths techniques with his Six Paths of Pain Jinchuuriki's. It feels like there is a lot of underestimating going on with Kakashi. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:01, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

I won't get into an argument about what Kage level really means, because that is bullcrap. At one point, Naruto was fighting Tobi and Madara on perfectly even ground, then all of a sudden he just gets merked. Trying to calculate strength like it was DBZ is bullcrap.
Second, as far as the opening is concerned, Kakashi is a jonin-level ninja, as an a ninja who's rank is jonin. That's like me saying I'm security level 5 because i have level 5 security clearance. That's really all it means. It's the exact same reason we mark Naruto as a genin-level ninja, and we all know if it was going by "power level" he should have been ranked "God".--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 21:52, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

For one, we do not work with definitions with inconsistencies in mind. Two, Mangakas are not perfect, nobody is. Three, There is clearly and easily different tiers/levels of skill and power. Genins are generally Genin level which is above academy level, Chunin above Genin, and Jonin above Chunin, Kage above Jonin. Thats the rank and the GENERAL skill/power tier/scales. Kakashi was stated by Tsunade and others and the lords(no one cares what they say really) to be Kage material and their choice as the next Kage, being KAGE Level. Naruto is Genin Rank, do you think he is still on Genin Level?? Because if you do then now you're just being argumentative.. Naruto could go Toe to Toe with Kakashi meaning he is low Kage Level like Gaara and Sasuke. You keep thinking Rank defines Level and skill of EVERY person of that rank.. that is wrong. Kakashi, Naruto, and Sasuke are Kage level but Kakashi is Jonin Rank, and the other two are officially Genin Rank. Think about that logically and take a few breaths, calm your self down and stop arguing ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:44, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

And you are continuously failing to recognize that Kakashi, regardless of his actual strength is a jonin-level shinobi. He is officially recongize as a jonin. The opening states he is a jonin. It will not say "He is a Kage-level jonin" because that gets convoluted and opens a can of worms.
And you can't tell me to stop arguing and think logically when you yourself are not. I have stated, time and time again that as far as the opening is concerned, it's just going to mention his official rank. If you feel the need to add his Kage-levelness, it would go under Abilities. It is not however going up in his opening, which is what I've been trying to get at this entire time.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 00:17, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

He is Jonin ranked and it now says he is Jonin ranked so I'm okay with that as that is more correct there than Jonin leveled is. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:57, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

RootEdit

Is it alright to list him as a Root member already or should we wait until next week to make absolutely sure he's in? Idontcareaboutmyname (talk) 16:35, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

He was seen officially reporting directly to Danzō. He's in. Steveo920, 11:38, February 13, 2014
Yep, he's a Root now. Seelentau 愛 16:41, February 13, 2014 (UTC)
He was a Root if you want to get technical--Elveonora (talk) 19:55, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Raiden.png...Edit

...is used twice in this article which looks weird. Should it be changed to another one? Noweeaboohoo (talk) 22:56, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. No image should be used twice in the same article. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:15, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

Kakashi's blind in his left eye now. Edit

He explicitly says so in the mangastream translation, which at times is more accurate than Mangapanda's. So can we just say the Kamui eye is blind now?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:43, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Mangastream- Speaking honestly, I've lost all vision out of my left eye.
Mangapanda- To be honest, I can't really see well with my left eye.
Kakashi can still use the left eye, so it means that Kamui isn't really blinded right? Plus, like Cerez said, it's just the drawbacks. Unlike Itachi who had his eyesight deteriorated due to his usage of Sharingan over the years. Also, I think we should wait for raw for the translation. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 18:51, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Itachi could still use Susanoo despite being completely blind in his battle with Sasuke. Madara could use Susanoo without eyes. So Kakashi going blind in his left eye and being able to use Kamui is still feasible.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:53, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Itachi wasn't blind back then, just almost. I guess it's the same for Kakashi. Noweeaboohoo (talk) 19:00, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, and Itachi and Madara have been using their MS often, unlike Kakashi who tries not to use it as much as possible, knowing the drawbacks. ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 19:03, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

Mangastream's translations were undoubtedly better… when they were provided by HisshouBakurein (however it's spelled). Their current translator isn't as good as that one. They still have better quality images, but their translation is pretty much on par with mangapanda's now. The way he or she translated the "steps" is a very clear indicator of that. Those weren't steps, those were speeds, Lee mentions them as well. The fact mangapanda puts them as rōmaji makes that even more apparent. Anyway, on the topic, I wouldn't say Kakashi's left eye is blind just yet. Impaired, certainly, but completely blind? Only when the raw confirms it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:40, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to have to agree. Kakashi's eye is not blind, just strained from its repeated use in a single day. When Sasuke and Itachi went blind, if not near, their respective eyes were clearly blurry. Kakashi's remains normal. Steveo920, 16:06, March 19, 2014

Until the raw comes out and Seelentau looks at it. There is no real point discussing this, as there is a 50% chance either of you could be right or wrong. Itachi's vision was blurry when he fought Sasuke, maybe that is where Kakashi is, maybe not. Maybe it's only a temporary loss of sight because of his constant use of the mangekyo and Kamui during the war. In short there is no point discussing it until the raw is properly translated ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:59, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

So what is the status of the RAW and its translation?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 06:34, March 23, 2014 (UTC)

Kakashi had a contract with the ninken since he was a child As not by pakun during the episode of kiba being train by pakun it noted in causal conversation with as they was trying to determine what his face look like. he didn't create or get a contact during his mid anbu days —This unsigned comment was made by Kyoto360 (talkcontribs) .

Unless I'm mistaken, since there was that omake about Kakashi's face that involved his ninken, what was said is that those specific ninken have been with Kakashi since they were children. Kakashi's earliest known use of ninken is during his Anbu days. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:25, April 4, 2014 (UTC)


Kakashi's Kekkei Genkai Edit

Should we remove the Sharingan and Mangekyō Sharingan from Kakashi's Kekkei Genkai list (at least for now), since Madara has taken the eye away from him? As far as visual Kekkei Genkai (Dōjutsu) go, having them removed means you lose them right? I ask this because Madara retained the Sharingan/Rinnegan Kekkei Genkai on this site after his revival, when - for a few chapters - he did not possess them. Atrix471 (talk) 23:13, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

That is not how this website works. The pages document the whole series at once. If a character could at some point use X, he/she is still listed as a user of X despite possibly being unable to do so anymore.--Elveonora (talk) 12:22, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
What Elveonora said. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 22:59, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
== Kakashi did not beat Obito in combat single-handedly ==

Obito let him win in order to remove his seal. That statement should be removed from the article as it isn't a real feat.

Kenny U (talk) 23:33, May 7, 2014 (UTC) Kenny U.

Possible continuity error worth noting? Edit

Is it worth noting that the slashes across Kakashi's chest disappeared? When fighting Obito, Kakashi received an X shaped cut across his chest. The cut went through his flack jacket and is still present when fighting Obtio in the other dimension. By the time he returns from the other dimension the large cut is gone and his flack jacket is intact.--Soul reaper (talk) 13:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe he stitched it. Sounds more like chapter trivia. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:28, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Infobox Image Edit

How about changing the infobox image to this? It has almost the same angle and size, except in a better quality. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:22, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

 Neutral — If you find a good quality of the current image. It should be enough, and about your image. It's quite good but I don't like the hair depiction of it. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 14:25, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
I could crop a bit more of the hair out maybe? I already removed a good part of his torso, since it would be to big then. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:27, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

I found another one from the same episode, just a few seconds before the last. See if that works better --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:36, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

That's definitely better than your first image and the hair depiction is so close to the current image. I like it and here is my  Support — but you have to upload it with a new name according to the image policy. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 14:41, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
Sure thing, will do! --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 14:45, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Should we mention that Edit

Kakashi awakened his mangekyo at 12? Studio pierrot says he was still 12 when he became a Anbu and he is 7 months younger than Obito and Obito was 13 so Kakashi awakened a eye that wasn't his to mangekyo at 12yrs old, Itachi still holds the record at 11yrs old though. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:45, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Only in the anime tho.--Elveonora (talk) 10:31, June 11, 2014 (UTC)


Sharingan Drawbacks Edit

Since Kakashi received Obito's chakra and manifested the Mangekyō Sharingan in his own eyes, rather than a simple implantation of them, does that mean it voids the drawbacks Kakashi previously encountered (chakra drain, etc)? Since he manifested them and possesses the chakra of an Uchiha clan member, the eyes shouldn't be a foreign entity in his body anymore, right? --Atrix471 (talk) 13:56, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

As long as he has Obito's chakra, yes. But Obito said that it was temporary, I think. • Seelentau 愛 13:59, August 6, 2014 (UTC)
Hmm, but didn't he say it was an early gift for becoming the sixth Hokage? It would be a crappy Hokage gift if it ran out... or maybe that translation was wrong. --Atrix471 (talk) 14:01, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

Technically, Obito wasn't sure if it would last. It may last or it may not. The point is, he inherited akin to Sasuke and Naruto gaining power from Hagoromo.—Steveo920 (Talk)

Geez, everyone can just pop into existence and give chakra donations these days! --Atrix471 (talk) 14:10, August 6, 2014 (UTC)

I'm just guessing here, but maybe its because Obito just died seconds ago and Kakashi still had some of Obito's essence in him from having his Sharingan for nearly two decades that Obito could manifest within Kakashi.—Steveo920 (Talk)

But he is using Mangekyou Sharingan that has even bigger drawbacks than the ordinary Sharingan and can even lead to blindness, all that happened to Itachi, Sasuke, Madara(acording to Itachi's story but that story was false on some points).—This unsigned comment was made by Hunter4522 (talkcontribs) .

Keep in mind Obito has shown to be a strange case with the Mangekyō Sharingan. Despite having it for decades and making regular use of it, he never showed any signs of going blind, possibly from Hashirama's DNA inside of him. I'm not saying Kakashi definitely won't go blind from overuse, the nature of the Mangekyō Sharingan is sketchy at times.—Steveo920 (Talk) 8:05, August 7, 2014

Kakashi Strength Edit

I believe that kakashi's strength in part 3 being larger than naruto sis ridiculous. Anyone mind if I edit? Water Susanoo (talk) 09:32, August 11, 2014 (UTC) Water Susanoo

Yes. The stats come from the official databooks and do not represent the current situation. • Seelentau 愛 09:42, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

It should be noted that Kakashi's Sharingan has a time limit. Edit

[Viz Translation]

Because it was confirmed in the VIZ translation that Kakashi's Sharingan indeed does a have a fixed time limit albeit an unknown one but it exists nonetheless and it should be noted under his Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan sections like it was in under Kakashi's Susanoo on the Susanoo page.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 19:31, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

We have already talked about that here. And plus, the link you just gave was already used by @Reliops in the link I just gave, and you took part in that discussion. Did you not notice that the link you gave is the same and has already been used? And in the same page you just linked to, Obito noted that it would bother him to receive back the gift (the Sharingan) he gave to Kakashi. The thing is, Obito said it has a fixed time limit. We don't know if "it" could be Susanoo or the Mangekyo Sharingan. And given the fact that Obito sounded like he didn't want to receive back the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi, in the link I showed, we've come to the conclusion that the Susanoo has a time limit. Not necessarily the eyes themselves. I'll reiterate, Obito claimed he didn't want to retrieve the gift of his eyes back so why, in the same page, would he make the eyes he doesn't intend for Kakashi to lose temporary? The only thing that makes sense so far is that the Susanoo is temporary. Then again, the Susanoo can disappear next chapter, and reappear a couple chapters later when Kakashi's newly increased reserves are full again. That falls under the definition of "fixed time limit." So far, the Susanoo itself is temporary. Not the eyes. We'll see what happens in the next chapters. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 19:53, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

What does it matter if the link is the same it's not like there's more then one version of the VIZ translation.

Obito really doesn't have a choice in the matter of whether or not because if was up too him I don't think he would of made it so it doesn't have a time limit so his thoughts on the matter really don't mean anything here.

I think it's pretty clear cut because Obito never actually outright stated it was Susanoo so it doesn't make much sense too assume it only applies too one part and not the entirety.

Also this Susanoo isn't powered by Kakashi's chakra this is because only possible because he has Obito's chakra once that runs out the eyes and any abilities should go with it since Kakashi has finite source.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 20:32, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

One, it is Kakashi's Susanoo, it has the scar on the left side of it's face like Kakashi; Two, the Susanoo comes forth from the user's chakra, Kakashi is using Susanoo, not Obito; Three, Obito never outright stated the Mangekyo Sharingan has a limit. All he said was "Plus, it's gonna keep bothhering me that this eye I gave you to celebrate your promotion came back to me" and "IT has a fixed time limit, but it ain't useless..." among other things. All we know is that Obito doesn't intend for Kakashi to lose his Sharingan, and that "it" could have been the eyes or the Susanoo. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 20:42, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

It is Kakashi's Susanoo not disputing that but it is powered by Obito's Chakra not Kakashi's only has those eye's because he has Obito's chakra it can't be formed by just anyone Kakashi isn't an Uchiha.

It explains why Madara could still use his Susanoo even without possessing his eyes it's same case here and since Obito's chakra donation will run out so will Susanoo.

Well just have too wait and see the way I see it is that Obito gave him his eye's temporarily so Kakashi could feel useful and help out against Kaguya.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 21:05, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

I see where you are coming from. But once again, to quote your link, Obito said "I know you haven't taken office, but I'm giving you your gift now." Obito gave his left eye to Kakashi after he became a jonin. Obito gave Kakashi his chakra before the latter possibly becomes Hokage. From the way Obito sounds in this page, the eyes will last at least until Kakashi becomes Hokage (but why stop there?). We don't know what has a fixed time limit yet, so I agree with you on the notion that we have to wait and see. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 21:12, August 16, 2014 (UTC)

It would not be truly a gift if it disappeared after a few uses. He is giving it in the same context that he gave Kakashi the left eye originally, but this time its to manifest both eyes. Fixed time limit could mean anything in the time limit range, such as the eyes going blind since they are mangekyo or Kakashi not being able to maintain the mangekyo and susanoo for long since he is new with them. ALSO Ten Tails, Seelentau and Suzaku have told me MANY times that translated RAWS trump VIZ any day so the fixed time limit may not even be correct anyways. Go talk to them if you have a problem with that. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:27, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

^^^This, this, this & this. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 23:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaaaaand it's gone. Xfing (talk) 13:35, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

I know I am just grasping on straws, but I seriously hope that Kakashi simply ran out of chakra and can later reactivate the Sharingan at will. This is just not fair that Kakashi loses his Sharingan TWICE. Even more unfair, it stinks that he loses gift but Sasuke keeps his Rinnegan.—Steveo920 (Talk) 9:40, September 4, 2014

Well, Kakashi said "I guess Kakashi of the Sharingan ends today", so until he magically activates it once more, he no longer has it.--Mangekyō Sharingan Izuna JOA20 13:42, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
You don't have to tell me. I'm not some delusional fool who ignores what was said. I'm just HOPING that the writers make Kakashi guess wrong.—Steveo920 (Talk) 9:46, September 4, 2014

Like I said it was temporary he was only able too use it because Obito gave him his chakra now that's it's gone no more Mangekyo Sharingan Kakashi doesn't have the genes too produce a Sharingan on his own.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 19:20, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

We don't really know what happened with Kakashi's body after spending about twenty years growing up and developing with the Sharingan as the Sharingan itself matured along with Kakashi. But that's the wonderful thing about fiction: the writers can make anything they want happen. They can create a unique nature for any one person. We'll see what happens next.—Steveo920 (Talk) 15:28, September 4, 2014

Having a transplanted Sharingan does not make Kakashi an Uchiha he can't awaken one on his own the only way Kakashi is getting another Sharingan if he gets a transplant.--Thdyingbreed (talk) 20:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

I never said it made him an Uchiha, only that maybe he acquired some of the Sharingan's essence after growing up with it, kind of like how various shinobi have modified themselves to gain Kekekai Genkai. Look, I am not ignoring what happened. Obito left and Kakashi's eyes returned to normal. I accept that. I am just HOPING that somewhere before the series' end Kakashi regain the Sharingan power..—Steveo920 (Talk) 16:38, September 4, 2014

Hmm...Edit

So was the power that had the "fixed time limit" Obito was talking about the Rikudou's power (in chapter 689) rather than the Mangekyo Sharingan or Susanoo? WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 06:08, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Well damn.--Reliops (talk) 06:11, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

Kekkei Genkai Edit

should we add a "former" to both sharingan & mangekyo in his info box since he has lost them...or do U wanna wait more for further proof of his sharingan loss... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 10:51, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

No. As far as the wiki is concerned, every part of the series is relevant. It would be like removing 'Jinchuriki' from Gaara.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 11:15, September 15, 2014 (UTC)


no no I'm not saying to remove I'm totally against that...I'm just simply suggesting that since he no longer has sharingan it should be stated as a former KG...& maybe U can add a former to the jinchuriki status of gaara too...cuz he appears alive in the story after the removal of shukaku unlike most other jinchurikis that died with the biju removal...kakashi is still in the series playing a role but without his KG...so I thought the word former would be suitable to his KG status...doesn't that make sense? --DARK ZER06 (talk) 12:08, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

uuuuhhhh...does anyone have any opinion regarding this... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 13:10, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

In the past I suggested that we should separate actual kekkei genkai from transplants, suggestion of mine was denied :-/--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
I'd be inclined to agree with that, and it wouldn't just apply to Kakashi, but also Madara, Obito, Nagato, Danzo, Ao, Kabuto and Orochimaru as well.--Reliops (talk) 15:28, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

why those characters :|? --DARK ZER06 (talk) 15:32, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Because they all have achieved certain abilities restricted to KKG abilities through unnatural means. Their abilities, by definition, would not be bloodline limits as there is nothing hereditary about their possession of it.--Reliops (talk) 15:35, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

understood a bit more...though I'm not sure if they are in the same situation like kakashi...would be great if U give each one an example so I can fully understand Ur viewpoint... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 15:39, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

  • Kakashi has a Sharingan implant
  • Nagato has Rinnegan implants
  • Ao has a Byakugan implant
  • Madara has Mokuton implanted through Hashirama's DNA
  • Obito has Mokuton implanted through Hashirama's DNA
  • Danzō has Sharingan implants and Mokuton through Hashirama's DNA
  • Orochimaru has Mokuton through a Zetsu Body, which is something like an implant
  • Kabuto has Shikotsumyaku through Kimimaro's DNA, and Ukon and Sakon's KKG through their DNA

I think that's all of them.--Reliops (talk) 15:46, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

now that's better...got it...but I think my point is a little different...I'm saying since kakashi lost his sharinan & is still alive & playing a role in the story his KG info-box should be added with a "former"... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 15:52, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

I know that his & the examples U gave don't actually have their KG as their OWN KG & they're all transplants...this is different matter from what I'm discussing... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 15:58, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

The wiki chronicles all information at any given time, therefore I don't think the "former" tag is quite necessary, though I'm not exactly opposed to it either.--Reliops (talk) 16:00, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Konoha History Arc Edit

Alot of Kakashi's missions that took place in the Konoha History Arc take place throughout part 1 but for a large majority of those events we don't know WHEN exactly. A example of this is various events that could of happened at the end of the Land of Waves Arc or the same events could of started at the beginning of the Chūnin Exam Arc. I'm proposing we make a Konoha History Arc and instead of all the mass content we just put a summary like we have on Naruto's page. --Kris.gilson.12 (talk) 15:10, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

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