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== Bias ? ==
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Does anyone else find it appropriate for characters who have been reincarnated? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 06:20, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I can't help but feel like this page is written with some anti-itachi bias in here. For example, in the Legacy section, it says "Inadvertently, Five Kages praised him as the hero who protected the shinobi world" even though we don't know if Onoki said that only because of Madara's end or the end of ET in general. Also, The Jiraiya thing in the abilities section is really mind-boggling. I get that it can be interpreted as a hype for Jiraiya, but why put it into Itachi's section, just so he looks weaker. If anything, put it into the personality section, as his humbleness has nothing to do with his abilities. I also feel like some of his major hype isn't even mentioned, for example: #1 student in history of the konoha academy, Kisame wondering why is a retreat necesarry for him, Itachi himself saying that only a sharingan user with the same blood can hope to defeat him, Kabuto saying he is the perfect Edo Tensei, yes, more perfect than Madara Uchiha (take that as you wish), Kabuto saying he is on a whole different level to the others (take that as you wish), Obito saying he would be dead if Itachi knew his secret, Obito saying that Itachi was the sole person that impeded his vendetta against Konoha all those years, Danzo saying the difference between Itachi's and Sasuke's genjutsu was like that between heaven and earth, Shikaku (who knew Itachi) believed Itachi could literally genjutsu-control an army, Kabuto saying that he can read his opponents soul and use it against them in fights and much more. [[User:Falkirion|Falkirion]] ([[User talk:Falkirion|talk]]) 21:14, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
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:Is it better to open a new discussion about putting another image in the infobox for the reincarnated characters like Itachi, Madara, Asuma and Zabuza? [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 06:47, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
:How is the Five Kage praising him anti-Itachi? The Jiraiya thing has been discussed to death, there's a proper translation in some relevant archive. At least for me, having a character who knows how to wait and pick his fights is a strength. An intelligent character is a dangerous character. Same blood Sharingan had more to do with his Tsukuyomi. Don't recall Kabuto actively comparing Itachi and Madara, just praising both of them, separately, in different occasions. Itachi's last effort against Obito is mentioned in his ability section. Now, I should remind that bias works both ways. Even though this is Itachi's article, there comes a point where singing him even more praise would come across as forced. And besides, just because this is Itachi's article, it doesn't mean absolutely all information about him is here. There's info about him in pretty much every article that mentions him. There's also the issue of size. If we went to painstaking detail regarding everything everyone ever said about everyone else, articles would become unmanageably long. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:40, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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::I don't really see the point, a reincarnated shinobi looks exactly the same as when they keeled over and pegged it, apart from the eyes, so it'd be pointless. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 06:49, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I admit for the 5 Kage hype, i didn't read it properly. As for Jiraiya, i don't think such an ambigious thing should be presented to the readers as a fact, considering that Kisame who knew Itachi was confident that he would beat the Sannin.
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:::I knew this day was coming. It is not necessary to add pictures of what persons look like when they are reincarnated. The point of adding secondary images is for persons who have had significant changes in appearance i.e. the Konoha 11, Inari and even Tazuna, not for people who come back to like with cracked greyed skin and black irides. It isn't necessary.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:50, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I agree that characters shouldn't be praised too much, but i see the pages of other characters who are around Itachi's level like Nagato, Kabuto, Jiraiya, Minato, Killer Bee, and they are all praised to hell and back even though the vast majority of them have much less hype than Itachi. As for the Tobi part, it only says that Itachi impressed him even in death, but i don't see the part where he flat-out says Itachi would've killed him if he didn't keep a few secrets from him. Itachi's article is not even that big, considering how important of a character he is. Just look at Obito's, Madara's and Orochimaru's articles. [[User:Falkirion|Falkirion]] ([[User talk:Falkirion|talk]]) 12:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
: On Jiraiya, he lived up to the hype Itachi gave him, thus it has to be included in the article. Both Itachi and Jiraiya were given the same stat totals by Kishimoto himself, and in Databook II Jiraiya was said that 'his ability to fight both Kisame and Itachi at the same time was not unfounded'. On Obito: Itachi never figured out how Kamui works, thus even his after death trap wouldn't work. We've worked hard NOT to hype up Itachi here as much as his fans want (trust me, its a neverending battle) because they want Itachi to be the best the Narutoverse has to offer in EVERYTHING.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 23:53, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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== Orochimaru's statement ==
   
The databook contains an error in Itachi's age.
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Orochimaru may have said Itachi was stronger than himself, but had already been stripped of most of his powers by Hiruzen at that point, so wouldn't it be more valid to note that his statement came only after his loss of his arms? The Fox King(The Fox King 15:45, November 1, 2013 (UTC))
I can't edit it though.
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:You are assuming that Orochimaru was taking into account his weakened state. We mention what was said and leave it at that without any concessions.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
   
Sasuke and Itachi are about 8 years apart in age.
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He had just beforehand noted his weakened state and then he said that after they began to discuss Itachi. Its still not exactly valid to just have whats there. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:09, November 1, 2013 (UTC))
   
Itachi kills his clan at 16-17. (Sasauke is 7-8.)
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He says Itachi is stronger than him because of their scuffle back when he left Akatsuki. He wasn't mentioning his weakened state. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:49, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
Itachi in part 1 is about 20. (Sasuke is 12-13.)
 
Itachi is 24 when he dies. (Sasuke is 16-17.)
 
   
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I said he mentioned his weakened state right before he said that, not during it, and he only said that after he lost his arms. His scuffle with Itachi hadn't been revealed yet and he didn't reference it, so therefore it seems more valid to at least note he had lost most of his power by the time he said Itachi was stronger than him. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:26, November 3, 2013 (UTC))
   
After Itachi massacred the clan, Sasuke's ideals and personality changed drastically due to him suffering his clan's curse and became cold, indifferent, cruel, cynical, somewhat arrogant, unreasonable and devoted the next nine years of his life to kill Itachi.
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No need to. Him having lost his arms or not, he says himself Itachi is STRONGER than him, if he would of included his arms being lost he would of said something along the lines of "In my current state.. Itachi is stronger than me" but he didn't now did he? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 00:14, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
'''Naruto chapter 225, page 21'''
 
   
At age 7, Itachi graduated from the Academy at the top of his class after only one year.
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: There's no real point of saying what he ''might have said '''if'''''. These are just manga characters, people, Kishi the brain behind them. Orochimaru said what he said, its not up for us to decide whether he meant with or without his arms. We just record what he said and take him at his word. That's all we, as readers, can do. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:12, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
'''Naruto chapter 145, page 9'''
 
   
enrolled in ANBU half a year later[12] and became captain by 13.
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== Itachi and Kisame's first meeting ==
'''Naruto chapter 142, page 12'''
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Why is it that Itachi and Kisame's first meeting happened before the Uchiha Clan Massacre? In the chapter which was used as reference for that meeting, Kisame said that he had heard the rumours about Itachi slaughtering the Uchiha Clan. How could that have been if Itachi had yet to do it?--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 16:49, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
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:Indeed, that's a mistake. Feel free to fix it. ^_^ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:46, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
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::Alright then. Done ^_^--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:58, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
   
Oro said:
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Not a mistake, just means Itachi may have simply been 13 when he joined Akatsuki and not 11 like people like to say. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:32, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
'' So this is the Uchiha that slaughtered his own clan '' when Itachi joined!
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:Curious about this, which chapter is that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:44, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
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::He was 11, check my timeline~ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:45, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
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== Well ==
   
That means Sasuke is 7-8 years old when the clan died, and itachi would have been 16-17.
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I thought you guys might appreciate this. It seems he was 170cm tall at age 13... tall for Naruto age standards.
   
If Itachi was 11 years old, then sasuke was 2 when they died. That is a baby! Those don't run around and talk, well not proficiently anyways.
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13yr old Itachi
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2013/11/kaisou.jpg
   
We know Sasuke was in the academy, so we know he was 7-8 years old. We know this from other sources as well.
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Edo Tensei Itachi
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2013/11/itachi1.jpg
   
Also, it would mean he joined Akatsuki at least 2 years before he left the village. Which makes no sense, and is contradictory to the story.
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[[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:36, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
   
There are many more things that don't add up as well. The whole story doesn't make sense with Itachi fighting orochimaru at 11!
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Seems Sasuke was 140cm at age 8 too lol.. Naruto was only 142 at age 10-11. Poor Naruto [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:29, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think the most obvious example is simply the art and voice acting. The author obviously drew Itachi as a 16 year old. You can screw up a complicated story easily, but you can't repeatedly misrepresent the age of a character over and over. You are obviously going to notice that he didn't look 11! Thus it is clear the author's intent was to make Itachi look 16, because he was in fact 16. {{unsigned|Mysticjbyrd}}
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== Image change ==
   
:Where are you getting that they're 8 years apart? If you look at the age at the pages, they're 4-5 years apart. I'm trying to keep up with what you're saying but where did you get that he was 11 when he fought Orochimaru? He joined Akatsuki after he killed his clan, meaning he had to be older than 13. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 08:08, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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I think the image that was just uploaded of Itachi with his Sharingan deactivated would be a good photo replacement, it looks better in imo [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 03:36, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Itachi spent the majority of his time with the Sharingan activated, it's much more usual appearance for him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:22, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Yah, I am saying the databooks have an error in them. I am getting this based on math, and the story. As far as I know there is no way to specifically age Itachi within the story itself, but one can easily guesstimate based on appearances in the story, which is what kishimoto did. However, he didn't take some story elements into consideration when he made up his numbers. The best guesstimate based on the story and animation puts Itachi at about 8 years older than his younger brother, Sasuke.
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== Add to Legacy. ==
   
::On Naruto chapter 225, page 21 it is clearly stated that Sasuke's revenge on his brother took 9 years. We know for a fact that Sasuke is about 16 years old at this time. That means Itachi murdered the clan when Sasuke was about 16-9 = 7 years old. This makes sense, because this is when Itachi started, and graduated from the academy. This also appears to be the age represented within the story.
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I feel as if we should place something about Kabuto in his legacy. Mostly how because of Itachi, Kabuto came to realize his place in the shinobi world. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 05:37, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
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:I guess so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:10, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Naruto chapter 345, page 9 we see Orochimaru and Itachi have a small fight shortly after Itachi joins the Akatsuki. During part 1, it is stated that "we have not met like this in 7 years, ever since Orochimaru left". Orochimaru of course left, because he failed to get Itachi's body. Later, in part 2 Orochimaru is killed by Sasuke, and the akatsuki comment on the fact he left the organization 10 years ago. That means sasuke is about 7 when Orochimaru left, and about 16 when he killed Orochimaru.
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== "second eyebrows" ==
   
:: According to the databook Itachi appears as 17-18 in part 1. That means he dispatched of a sanin 7 years ago at the age of 18-7 = 11. That is nearly nonsensical in itself, but there is much more. When he joins the Akatsuki Orochimaru mentions that "this is the Uchiha that killed his entire clan". Problem is we know he was in the leaf until he was at least 13 years old.
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Just noticed he has them painted, shouldn't it be mentioned?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Another issue with Itachi's listed age is the 3rd Great Shinobi war. Kakashi was a jounin at the age of 13. If Kakashi and Itachi are 9 years apart in age, as the databook suggest, then Itachi would have only been 4 years at the end of the war. Clearly not old enough to even be aware of a war. Yet, according to the story he was incredibly distraught by it, and became an extreme pacifist because of it. Now if we increase his age by 3 years, then this becomes perfectly plausible.
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Wait.. what? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:33, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: When the kyuubi attacks and Naruto is born, you can see an image of Itachi holding and taking care of his newly born brother. You don't let a four year old baby take care of a newborn baby.
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:https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/486x375q90/31/7ez2.png
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:those red things are his actual eyebrows, while that where the blue is I suppose is drawn? And yes, this isn't a late April, I'm serious--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:52, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: The final piece of evidence is the character animations and voice acting. It is easy to make a small mistake on a databook you do after the fact, but it is quite difficult to portray the age of your characters so incorrectly. As we can clearly see within the anime and manga, itachi faces off against Orochimaru as a young man of about 16-17, and no a small boy of 11.
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::Those are his eyelids. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:02, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Are you sure? Eyelids end where the eyelashes do, or not? Those lines are above the eyes--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Now what if Itachi did defeat Orochimaru at 11 and there was about a 8 year gap in Itachi and Sasuke's age? If Itachi was 11 years old, then Sasuke was 3 when they died. We know from the above sources this isn't possible. That means if there is an age gap of about 8 years, then it was impossible for Itachi to have beaten Orochimaru at 11.
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::::: Sweety, google eyelids. You forget where eyelids "begin". --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:34, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Okay, to start this off, I've looked at each part of your explaination and I can't seem to find the first part. It's probably because of the different manga translations that we're using but chapter 225 doesn't have 21 pages, nor is there a part in the one I was looking at that mentioned 7 years. It is the original Naruto, correct? When Sasuke and Naruto were fighting and Sasuke was having the flashback?
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Okay then ._. why aren't all characters then drawn that way?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:36, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:Because not all characters look the same. That's just where the skin from his eyelids "fold". Kinda like an expression line. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:41, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::I did find where they mention it being 7 years since they had met like that. I will admit that there is a weird problem with that part that should put Itachi around 20 in Part 1 instead of 17-18 (at least for it to make sense).
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There are actually many types of eye shapes, such as hooded and etc. This creates a different looking eyelid, which is what Itachi has. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:50, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
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:Thanks for explanation both of you then.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:55, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::I will admit the age is weird for the War but you can be traumatized that early on. He might have seen people died/dying in a hospital or whatever (don't take this too seriously. I'm just trying to point of that you can traumatize anyone). You also have to remember that he was mentioned to have knowledge and understanding beyond his years, so he might have understood quite a bit and the shock made him hate fighting.
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== Kakashi ==
   
:::Four years old is not a baby. By the time a child is 4, they've already learned quite a bit and can usually do things on their own. The village is in a war and Itachi might have been the only person they could get to take care of Sasuke at the time.
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*Some of the references show that Kakashi took care of Itachi in anbu, but they are using the manga which didn't really show anything like that or Kakashi and Itachi having much of a relationship... wasn't that only in the filler arc? so shouldn't those references from the anime be shown as ref from the anime rather than incorrectly shown to be from the manga?--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 19:26, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Feel free to correct such blasphemy where you see it. People mixing up canon with non-canon is getting a little too overboard...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::They've always made Itachi look/sound older than he actually is. Thanks to the lines below his eyes, he could easily pass for 20 or so in the first part. I think that's what they were going for since it was stated that he had wisdom on par with a Hokage at 7 years old (chapter 619. Mangastream's translation has it on page 12). It's kind of hard to make someone seem worldly/wise if they look like a teenage and have a cracky voice. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 13:09, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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== Blaze Release ==
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Why does Itachi have blaze release?
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[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 04:49, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Dudes, both of you got so many things wrong I don't even know where to start... Itachi indeed was 11 when he defeated Orochimaru and the massacre took place when he was 13. It's not a contradiction, the massacre was to have taken place about the time he killed Shisui but Hiruzen postponed it by negotiating. Also Kakashi didn't become a Jounin at 13 for the millionth time.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:13, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Because we deduced that Amaterasu is Blaze Release. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:54, October 5, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
   
:Elve, he couldn't have defeated Orochimaru while in Akatsuki when he was 11 because the massacre happened when he was 13. The page for Orochimaru already mentions that Itachi joined after the massacre, which is where that is coming from. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 14:48, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Checking other talkpages before asking sometime helps you know. If you demand an explanation for the reasoning, then I'm willing to give it to you.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 09:51, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
::Then the page is wrong and should be corrected asap. ShounenSuki himself calculated this at least twice so did I. Unless you can provide reference where it says he joined after the massacre--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:04, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
Direct Quotes from both Itachi Uchiha's page (the first one) and Orochimaru's page (the second one):
 
{{Quote| Itachi subsequently joined Akatsuki in order to keep an eye on the organisation}}
 
{{Quote| However, when Itachi Uchiha joined Akatsuki after conducting the Uchiha clan massacre,...}}
 
Going by the translation from starkana:
 
{{Quote| He decided, all on his own, to commit a crime he would never be forgiven for, left his village... and joined Akatsuki to protect his village from the inside.}}
 
If we have a quote from someone trusted on the site, it would be better but these are the ones I found. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 15:18, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yes, my bad. I will postpone the edits until I find the things in archives.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:32, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Blaze release is different from Amaterasu in the aspect that it is the power of a single eye. Itachi had tsukuyomi and amaterasu as his two eye powers, where as Sasuke had amaterasu and blaze release. Two abilities must be unlocked prior to manifesting susano'o, so we know for a fact we have seen sasuke's two mangekyo abilities, and that negates the possibility of tsukuyomi. Remember, Sasuke manipulates black flames with one eye, and casts amaterasu with the other. That being said, Itachi ''cannot'' manipulate flames. (Yes, I know he has been seen distinguishing them before, but that is besides the point)
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Itachi's two mangekyo abilities, again, were tsukuyomi and amaterasu. Amaterasu and blazer release are different powers, and thus, Itachi '''does not''' have blaze release.
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:The reason why we came to the conclusion that Amaterasu is Blaze Release is because of this simple reason: Shaping a nature does ''not'' advance it. You see Sasuke shape his Chidori into techniques like Chidori Sharp Spear and Kirin. Does that advance the lightning nature? No. Sure, there's no Blaze Release prefix on Amaterasu. There isn't a Lightning Release prefix on Chidori either. You can cry about it all you want, nothing will change. We're seriously beating on a dead horse here, and we're very tired of having to explain it over and over again. Shaping a nature does ''not'' advance it. It's just that simple. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:22, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
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Sigh...look we came to a conclusion that blaze release can't possibility just be for just manipulating the black flames and such how its manifested being Amaterasu is part of Blaze Release considered to be the highest type of fire. Since there hasn't been a databook out for a while and things past it contradicts some things we had to look at it deeply and we came to an agreement. As for Sasuke getting the Susanoo I speculated he used Tsukuyomi despite people trying to disagree with me despite some evidence but its like how Obito manifested Susanoo through Kakashi. A mystery I suppose. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:18, October 6, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
   
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Itachi_Uchiha/Archive_4#Itachi.27s_Timeline here, this is only one of many topics about this. Every ended in conclusion that he was 11. On top of that, there's even more evidence thanks to Kabuto. He was 14 when Oro "saved" him and then they joined Akatsuki, hence 10 years ago. Itachi died as 21, 21-10=11 ... no problem--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:39, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Correction @Dazzling: since Amaterasu (or so at least logic dictates) is Blaze Release, Itachi too had Blaze Release technique in one eye and Tsukuyomi in another. Sasuke has Blaze Release in one eye (Amaterasu) and Kagutsuchi in another. All Kagutsuchi is, is Shape Transformation as stated by C. Manipulation of the black flames by means of shape transformation isn't Blaze Release, the flames themselves are Blaze Release to begin with--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:51, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:Blaze release was madeup on this wiki, wasn't it? I don't believe it's stated ever in the manga... (correct me if I'm wrong)[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 22:19, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
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::Blaze Release was not made up. It has been stated in the manga a multitude of times. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:23, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
:That timeline is based on the incorrect info in the databook. Its no better than this article. That is the only way to get an age of Itachi. Itachi was closer to 16. There are multiple obvious contradictions in the story if you assume Itachi was 11 at the time. Not one of them was addressed! You can't repeatedly misrepresent the age of the character through art and voice acting on 2 completely different mediums! That just isn't possible! Also, don't say he was drawing kids, when the whole first part of the series was 12 year old kids! [[User:Mysticjbyrd|Mysticjbyrd]] ([[User talk:Mysticjbyrd|talk]]) 05:13, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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sigghhh, why cant you guys just go by what manga states and stop putting theories in the articles, when will this wiki learn. This wiki done had many issues like this, and if its turns out to be wrong it makes the website and users look stupid. Thus we lose viewers for info. We had this same issue with indra, kaguya, sasuke and more and so far all theories are becoming wrong and some of who approves of this are only making yourself work harder by going back into the articles changing it. We shouldnt have viewers or users created sections like this because some of you come up with theories instead of being factual, if the manga doesnt stated dont put it. Its time for a change, but you know the fourth databook is out so if it doesnt say he does, like most of the theories that are wrong. You gonna have to change it. And plus it make this wiki look like a fandom wiki with all these theory without direct facts. If a user feels like naruto can do susanno i guest he would put it in his article and say "its ok we came to the conclusion that he can do it" (sarcastically). Smh--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 01:00, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
 
:Unless you can find a source outside of the Databook that can verify his age from the databook is correct, then the only logical conclusion is to assume the databook age is wrong! {{Unsigned|Mysticjbyrd}}
 
   
:::First of all, do not delete my post (or anyone else). That's extremely rude and is considered vandalism. Also, please remember to add 4 ~ to the end of your post so we know who you are. Secondly, most of the info on the characters usually come from the databooks. All we were trying to do was fix things up to make the databooks make sense, since it comes from Kishi directly. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 05:08, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Finally, someone who seeks the truth.[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 01:40, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
: I deleted forum chatter. This isn't a forum! I proved beyond a questionable doubt that the databook is wrong. If you believe the data book to be a holy scripture that is infallible, then there is no point in you being involved in this discussion. That is a very narrow minded view however! I am hoping someone will see reason, and correct an obvious mistake. Again, unless you can find a source outside of the Databook that can verify his age from the databook is correct, then the only logical conclusion is to assume the databook age is wrong. [[User:Mysticjbyrd|Mysticjbyrd]] ([[User talk:Mysticjbyrd|talk]]) 05:12, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Amaterasu is listed as a Blaze Release technique, so this move of removing Itachi as a Blaze Release user doesn't make sense. Fire Release at it's highest level IS Blaze Release, which Itachi can clearly do. If the ability of control is the major factor here, couldn't we just acknowledge in his nature transformation subsection of his abilities, that he can't exercise the same level of control over the black flames as Sasuke? Just a thought.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 18:03, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
::Just because it could be forum chatter doesn't mean you have the right to delete it. The post in question were not forum chat as 1. We were talking about his looks for his age, something even you commented on. and 2. It was also about editing articles. You need to stop deleting other peoples comments.
 
::I never said the databooks were the 'holy scripture'. The fact that I said the age seemed off earlier (remember my comment about how he should be around 20 in the first part?) means that I don't see it some infallible text but instead as a basis for information on a character. Itachi's age has been discussed before and all I was doing was putting my 2 cent in. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 05:26, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Wait, so you agree it is wrong? Why are you arguing against changing it? Actually, now that I look at the story on the main page, the whole story has been altered to accommodate this inconsistency with his age. Thw whole thing needs a massive overhaul![[User:Mysticjbyrd|Mysticjbyrd]] ([[User talk:Mysticjbyrd|talk]]) 05:28, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: We go with the databooks. If the databook says he's an age, that's what we use. That's the end of it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 05:42, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Thankfully,, it has finally been removed. He could not have inferior usage to Sasuke, because he did not possess the blaze release ability in his mangekyo sharingan. You all should know that a sharingan is limited to two abilities, one per each eye. By giving Itachi blaze release, you were giving him three abilities. I only hope those people who you've confused the past month will someday learn the truth.[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 12:40, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
::Who is we? Sorry, but the information has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt to be false. {{Unsigned|Mysticjbyrd}}
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:I added it again. ^_^ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
::I'm arguing with you because there are holes in your theory. The link Elv posted has quite a bit about his age at that point and even mentioning him being 11 and in Akatsuki. Read through it before deleting my post. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 05:51, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
: A wiki article that uses this wiki, or more precisely the Databook, as the primary source. Is that a joke? Odd, you have failed to refute any argument.
 
   
::: I'm not arguing it. Josh you shouldn't argue it either. Policy on this wiki states that we ''do not'', under any circumstances, speculate (using math and a bunch of circumstantial evidence to '''guess''' an age) on age, especially when Kishi has flat out given us an age in a databook. It remains with what the databook says, until the manga, or ''another databook'' says otherwise. Period. You can argue it until you're blue in the face, but we're going to take a written out age from the author himself, over fan math that was configured via circumstantial evidence (when you yourself said that there is no standard for judging age in an earlier post) anyday, anytime. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 05:54, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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@DazzlingEmerald, can you explain how Amaterasu is not a Blaze Release dojustsu, when it's been explained that it's the highest level of Fire Release? Can you also explain how being able to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu makes it Blaze Release, and yet the flames themselves from Itachi's mangekyo sharingan aren't? Blaze Release(Amaterasu) and the Tsukuyomi are Itachi's two visual powers. Simple, no?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 13:31, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not entirely correct. Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are Itachi's powers, Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi are Sasuke's powers. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:44, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::Yeah I get that. Amaterasu and the ability to manipulate it (Kagutsuchi) are Sasuke's two mangekyo powers. But the Amaterasu itself isn't an Enton visiual technique? Because right now Amaterasu is listed as Enton release, which is probably why I'm confused on this issue. If it's been deduced that Amaterasu is an Enton Release sharingan power (seperate from Kagutsuchi), then shouldn't Itachi logically be listed as a user of Enton Release? Unless the black flames used for Kagutsuchi and Amaterasu are two different flames....though they're both visual powers. MIND......BLOWN--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 13:59, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
: I am not trying to be rude, but to assume a source is infallible is moronic. Kishimoto just guesstimated an age himself without taking the facts into consideration. Databooks are nothing more than filler for the manga. It could of easily even been a typo! To assume the source is infallible is ridiculous! 06:00, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Alright, let me explain again how we came to the conclusion that Amaterasu is Blaze Release: When Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi first turned up, we thought that the whole name stood for the manipulation of the black flames, even though the fact that it was called ''release'' should've made us thinking. Over time, many people started discussions about this and were turned down or so. In the fight against Kaguya, Sasuke used Kagutsuchi without its Blaze Release prefix on the black flames of Amaterasu. Why didn't he say the prefix? Exactly: Because he already had black flames he could manipulate, there was no need to ''release'' them anymore. This was basically proof that Kagutsuchi is what manipulates the black flames and Blaze Release is what releases them. And since the black flames of Amaterasu and the ones of Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi are the same, it's only logical that Amaterasu is a Blaze Release technique, too. How Blaze Release really works, if it's an advanced nature or whatever is something we don't exactly know yet. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:@Dazzling, Blaze Release is stated to be black flames in chapter 464 page 6 by Gaara. Blaze Release is the release of black flames, stated in chapter 464, and Tau is correct. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:34, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
: Kishi is the author of this series. Are you trying to say that you know Itachi's true age, and Kishi doesn't? Don't be absurd. Kishi wrote an age, and that's what we record. Its as simple as that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 06:02, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Kagutsuchi is shape transformation a separate control of chakra from nature transformation. Most elemental techniques seen in the series use both. Naruto adding Wind-natured chakra to his Rasengan (highest level of shape transformation) doesn't make it a different nature like Hurricane Release or whatever. So "whatever nature black flames are" + shape transformation = the same nature just with altered shape. Therefore logically Enton is the black flames, not the flames+shape--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:24, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes, chapter 464 page 6 stated that Blaze Release is black flames, and Amaterasu is black flames, so I don't know why people think Amaterasu is different. Is it because of the third databook that stated Amaterasu is fire? The same databook that stated Tobi is Madara? The same databook that stated Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu = Susanoo therefore every Susanoo user has Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu? The manga disproved all of those things. Manga > 3rd Databook. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:32, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: I am saying it is an error. Unless you think Kishi is a supernatural being, then the phrase to err is human applies to him as well. I have seen publications of numerous textbooks in my time as a professor and student, and you can always find errors even in extremely late editions. The sort of mentality you are portraying is not one of someone who should be involved in academia or managing an encyclopedia of knowledge. [[User:Mysticjbyrd|Mysticjbyrd]] ([[User talk:Mysticjbyrd|talk]]) 06:06, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== Stopping Kabuto's attack picture ==
   
:::Name drops academia.
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Here is the manga picture of it since you wanted Sasuke in it, do with it what you will wiki [[:File:Sasitahands.PNG]]--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
:::Values "guesstimates" over published information.
 
:::''The internet.'' '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:09, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::: Right. Come to me and claim to be a professor when you can get your grammar correct. Secondly, I don't know if you've noticed, but we're not in Harvard. Thirdly, I'm done arguing this now, so you can comment after this until you're blue in the face. This is the policy of our wiki. There are multiple flaws in your process, one of which is assuming that your model is the correct one, and not Kishi's, and therefore, our policy is to take Kishi's word over the math done by a random fan that has popped up out of nowhere. Good day to you. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 06:10, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== Yin and Yang ==
   
So in a nutshell, what you propose is that your personal opinion and subjective logic > canon. Sorry, but that's not how things work. Just because you find X absurd doesn't make it false or in reverse, just because you believe something because it makes sense to you doesn't make it true. There's no contradiction at all. Even if you ignore the databooks altogether, he is still the same age. Tobi himself stated in manga Itachi to have been barely 4 years old during 3rd Shinobi World War. 4+17=21 unless I fail at basic math.
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Yea this should've been expected as being brought up. Why is Itachi listed as a Yin Release and Yang Release user? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 21:19, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
In case you would be able to point out a contradiction between the manga and databooks, only then will it be taken into consideration, but you are yet to besides your bias on the subject. The Kabuto timeline also proves he was 11, so either refute facts or get lost--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:39, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:I always laugh when fans try to act like they've written the story and that they know more about it than even Kishi-sensei when it comes to statistics on the wiki. :lol: --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:45, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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I think because it's listed in the fourth databook--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 22:15, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
::Tho maybe we shouldn't be so hostile. He might have thought it was a narutofanonwiki that he had stumbled upon instead. That would explain this bizarre case--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:00, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
May you please stop vandalizing the page?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:39, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
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:Ok. I just remembered that it's common he uses genjutsu he uses (Izanami, Tsukoyomi) that are Yin Release, but I don't remember him using any Yang Release techniques. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 04:41, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
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== Itachi had enough time to form the Mirror. ==
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Itachi had to put his best defense up to block Kirin. If he didn't he'd have died flat out when the attack hit. Throwing around titles like invincible should really be avoided shouldn't they as well? They are pure hyperbole and subjective, not something that the wikia should represent.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:06, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:Black Zetsu was the one that called it invincible, not the wiki. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 19:16, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Which is why we should take it with a grain of salt. Saying 'virtually' would achieve the same effect. Otherwise we're putting hyperbole into the articles.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:27, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
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:::It already says "essentially". '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:29, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
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== According to DB4 and Kishi himself... ==
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Before Itachi left Konoha he was 15 standing at 170cm when he finally joined Akatsuki.. now it is hinted that he joined Akatsuki immediately after he finished massacring the clan and leaving Konoha for good in the manga all the way to the 4 kages revival where Hiruzen says that doesn't he?... So that means that 4yrs after Shisui died is when he kills the clan and joins Akatsuki... this is the NEW canon... did I miss anything FF-Suzaku and Seelentau?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:There was a similar issue with timelines about the wars I believe. Basically, Kishimoto don't give no $*@(s about time.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:23, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Yeah.. I saw the war stuff and there is no other way to chop that up other than simply errors from Kishi. In this case though is simply moves the "7 years ago" statement to 7 years ago from the end of DB4. So it isn't a major change, it just makes Itachi 15 when he joins Akatsuki and according to the manga and DB4, it means he at least just turned 15 the day he left Konoha, therefore it was around 4 years after he witnessed Shisui commit suicide. The wars dated timeline is so far all I can see that DB4 totally fucked to the point we can't make it sensibly work so it should be entirely ignored as it would be impossible for the war dates given to make sense and work at all. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:26, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Part I. says he was 11 when joining Akatsuki, Part II. says he was 13 when joining Akatsuki, DB4 says he was 15, so which?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:35, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
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11 and beating Orochimaru was highly unlikely anyways I don't care who it was even 11 year old Hagoromo would not be able to do that.. part 2 consecutively said many times that he joined after he left Konoha, the only dates were were given for Itachi was that he was 11 when joining Anbu and 6 months later Shisui died, so the rest is where DB4 and Shippuden filled the blanks, only Kisama himself, in Part 1 only said that it was 7 years from that moment that Orochimaru left Akatsuki, part 2 and DB4 retconned that entirely. So it has been made that he was just turned 15 when he joined Akatsuki and we know he joined Akatsuki soon after leaving Konoha, we know he was still in Konoha and became a Anbu Captain at age 13. I guess Kishi finally decided(right at the frickin end..) to make it blatant and fact. So he was a 170 cm tall 15 year old and Sasuke was a 140 cm tall 10 year old(yamato was also 140 cm at 10 yet Sasuke outgrew him and became a taller adult than him lol) I guess that makes the parallel they tried to make between Sasuke and Itachi when Sasuke fought Orochimaru fit better.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:16, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:Basically, Kishi doesn't give a damn about ages. But I thought we were following the oh-so glorious databook, so I assume we did the same here. <br>~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 04:21, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== Is this a trivia? ==
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This has been bugging me for I don't know how long. Itachi first appeared on Naruto Chapter 141. Naruto Shippuden Episode 141 is where we really got to know about him. Does this count as a trivia? [[User:Dream mist11|Dream mist11]] ([[User talk:Dream mist11|talk]]) 07:27, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:…no. Just no.--[[User:JOA20|J]][[User talk:JOA20|O]][[Special:Contributions/JOA20|A]]<sup>20</sup>14:31, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
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=="Naruto points out to Itachi the flaw in his plans"? (Personality Section)==
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Ok! I thought Itachi was the one who acknowledge his mistake by himself '''without''' being pointed out by anyone. But when I read the last paragraph in the "Personality" section, it says "Naruto points out to Itachi the flaw in his plans". Someone source the part is from "chapter 579 page 3" but when I reread chapter 579, it doesn't mention anything about it. Naruto is not even in Chapter 579. Chapter 579 is about the Uchiha brothers work together fighting Kabuto.
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I think it's either someone put the wrong source or someone mistaken about Naruto being the one who pointed out to Itachi his flaw plans.
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Sorry for my bad English[[User:MichiyoChiba|MichiyoChiba]] ([[User talk:MichiyoChiba|talk]]) 16:55, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:Reference added, before that paragraph, there is your answer to your question.
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you could have read the whole page then you'd come to understand--[[User:Naruto uzu6254|Naruto uzu6254]] ([[User talk:Naruto uzu6254|talk]]) 22:52, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

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Secondary infobox image for edo tensei? Edit

Does anyone else find it appropriate for characters who have been reincarnated? --Mandon (talk) 06:20, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Is it better to open a new discussion about putting another image in the infobox for the reincarnated characters like Itachi, Madara, Asuma and Zabuza? Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png(Contact) 06:47, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I don't really see the point, a reincarnated shinobi looks exactly the same as when they keeled over and pegged it, apart from the eyes, so it'd be pointless. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 06:49, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
I knew this day was coming. It is not necessary to add pictures of what persons look like when they are reincarnated. The point of adding secondary images is for persons who have had significant changes in appearance i.e. the Konoha 11, Inari and even Tazuna, not for people who come back to like with cracked greyed skin and black irides. It isn't necessary.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 06:50, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Orochimaru's statement Edit

Orochimaru may have said Itachi was stronger than himself, but had already been stripped of most of his powers by Hiruzen at that point, so wouldn't it be more valid to note that his statement came only after his loss of his arms? The Fox King(The Fox King 15:45, November 1, 2013 (UTC))

You are assuming that Orochimaru was taking into account his weakened state. We mention what was said and leave it at that without any concessions.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

He had just beforehand noted his weakened state and then he said that after they began to discuss Itachi. Its still not exactly valid to just have whats there. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:09, November 1, 2013 (UTC))

He says Itachi is stronger than him because of their scuffle back when he left Akatsuki. He wasn't mentioning his weakened state. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:49, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

I said he mentioned his weakened state right before he said that, not during it, and he only said that after he lost his arms. His scuffle with Itachi hadn't been revealed yet and he didn't reference it, so therefore it seems more valid to at least note he had lost most of his power by the time he said Itachi was stronger than him. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:26, November 3, 2013 (UTC))

No need to. Him having lost his arms or not, he says himself Itachi is STRONGER than him, if he would of included his arms being lost he would of said something along the lines of "In my current state.. Itachi is stronger than me" but he didn't now did he? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:14, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

There's no real point of saying what he might have said if. These are just manga characters, people, Kishi the brain behind them. Orochimaru said what he said, its not up for us to decide whether he meant with or without his arms. We just record what he said and take him at his word. That's all we, as readers, can do. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 02:12, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Itachi and Kisame's first meeting Edit

Why is it that Itachi and Kisame's first meeting happened before the Uchiha Clan Massacre? In the chapter which was used as reference for that meeting, Kisame said that he had heard the rumours about Itachi slaughtering the Uchiha Clan. How could that have been if Itachi had yet to do it?--JOA20 (talk) 16:49, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, that's a mistake. Feel free to fix it. ^_^ Seelentau 愛 17:46, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
Alright then. Done ^_^--JOA20 (talk) 17:58, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Not a mistake, just means Itachi may have simply been 13 when he joined Akatsuki and not 11 like people like to say. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:32, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Curious about this, which chapter is that?--Elveonora (talk) 22:44, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
He was 11, check my timeline~ Seelentau 愛 09:45, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Well Edit

I thought you guys might appreciate this. It seems he was 170cm tall at age 13... tall for Naruto age standards.

13yr old Itachi http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2013/11/kaisou.jpg

Edo Tensei Itachi http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2013/11/itachi1.jpg

ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:36, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Seems Sasuke was 140cm at age 8 too lol.. Naruto was only 142 at age 10-11. Poor Naruto ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:29, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Image change Edit

I think the image that was just uploaded of Itachi with his Sharingan deactivated would be a good photo replacement, it looks better in imo ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:36, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Itachi spent the majority of his time with the Sharingan activated, it's much more usual appearance for him. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:22, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Add to Legacy. Edit

I feel as if we should place something about Kabuto in his legacy. Mostly how because of Itachi, Kabuto came to realize his place in the shinobi world. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 05:37, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

I guess so.--Elveonora (talk) 22:10, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

"second eyebrows" Edit

Just noticed he has them painted, shouldn't it be mentioned?--Elveonora (talk) 15:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Wait.. what? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:33, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

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those red things are his actual eyebrows, while that where the blue is I suppose is drawn? And yes, this isn't a late April, I'm serious--Elveonora (talk) 22:52, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Those are his eyelids. --Taynio (talk) 23:02, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure? Eyelids end where the eyelashes do, or not? Those lines are above the eyes--Elveonora (talk) 23:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
Sweety, google eyelids. You forget where eyelids "begin". --Taynio (talk) 23:34, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Okay then ._. why aren't all characters then drawn that way?--Elveonora (talk) 23:36, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Because not all characters look the same. That's just where the skin from his eyelids "fold". Kinda like an expression line. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:41, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

There are actually many types of eye shapes, such as hooded and etc. This creates a different looking eyelid, which is what Itachi has. --Taynio (talk) 23:50, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation both of you then.--Elveonora (talk) 23:55, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Kakashi Edit

  • Some of the references show that Kakashi took care of Itachi in anbu, but they are using the manga which didn't really show anything like that or Kakashi and Itachi having much of a relationship... wasn't that only in the filler arc? so shouldn't those references from the anime be shown as ref from the anime rather than incorrectly shown to be from the manga?--Deathmailrock (talk) 19:26, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Feel free to correct such blasphemy where you see it. People mixing up canon with non-canon is getting a little too overboard...--Elveonora (talk) 19:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)

Blaze Release Edit

Why does Itachi have blaze release? DazzlingEmerald (talk) 04:49, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Because we deduced that Amaterasu is Blaze Release. Rachin123 (talk) 04:54, October 5, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Checking other talkpages before asking sometime helps you know. If you demand an explanation for the reasoning, then I'm willing to give it to you.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 09:51, October 5, 2014 (UTC)

Blaze release is different from Amaterasu in the aspect that it is the power of a single eye. Itachi had tsukuyomi and amaterasu as his two eye powers, where as Sasuke had amaterasu and blaze release. Two abilities must be unlocked prior to manifesting susano'o, so we know for a fact we have seen sasuke's two mangekyo abilities, and that negates the possibility of tsukuyomi. Remember, Sasuke manipulates black flames with one eye, and casts amaterasu with the other. That being said, Itachi cannot manipulate flames. (Yes, I know he has been seen distinguishing them before, but that is besides the point) Itachi's two mangekyo abilities, again, were tsukuyomi and amaterasu. Amaterasu and blazer release are different powers, and thus, Itachi does not have blaze release. —This unsigned comment was made by DazzlingEmerald (talkcontribs) .

The reason why we came to the conclusion that Amaterasu is Blaze Release is because of this simple reason: Shaping a nature does not advance it. You see Sasuke shape his Chidori into techniques like Chidori Sharp Spear and Kirin. Does that advance the lightning nature? No. Sure, there's no Blaze Release prefix on Amaterasu. There isn't a Lightning Release prefix on Chidori either. You can cry about it all you want, nothing will change. We're seriously beating on a dead horse here, and we're very tired of having to explain it over and over again. Shaping a nature does not advance it. It's just that simple. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 22:22, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sigh...look we came to a conclusion that blaze release can't possibility just be for just manipulating the black flames and such how its manifested being Amaterasu is part of Blaze Release considered to be the highest type of fire. Since there hasn't been a databook out for a while and things past it contradicts some things we had to look at it deeply and we came to an agreement. As for Sasuke getting the Susanoo I speculated he used Tsukuyomi despite people trying to disagree with me despite some evidence but its like how Obito manifested Susanoo through Kakashi. A mystery I suppose. Rachin123 (talk) 02:18, October 6, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123

Correction @Dazzling: since Amaterasu (or so at least logic dictates) is Blaze Release, Itachi too had Blaze Release technique in one eye and Tsukuyomi in another. Sasuke has Blaze Release in one eye (Amaterasu) and Kagutsuchi in another. All Kagutsuchi is, is Shape Transformation as stated by C. Manipulation of the black flames by means of shape transformation isn't Blaze Release, the flames themselves are Blaze Release to begin with--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:51, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

Blaze release was madeup on this wiki, wasn't it? I don't believe it's stated ever in the manga... (correct me if I'm wrong)DazzlingEmerald (talk) 22:19, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
Blaze Release was not made up. It has been stated in the manga a multitude of times. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 22:23, October 6, 2014 (UTC)

sigghhh, why cant you guys just go by what manga states and stop putting theories in the articles, when will this wiki learn. This wiki done had many issues like this, and if its turns out to be wrong it makes the website and users look stupid. Thus we lose viewers for info. We had this same issue with indra, kaguya, sasuke and more and so far all theories are becoming wrong and some of who approves of this are only making yourself work harder by going back into the articles changing it. We shouldnt have viewers or users created sections like this because some of you come up with theories instead of being factual, if the manga doesnt stated dont put it. Its time for a change, but you know the fourth databook is out so if it doesnt say he does, like most of the theories that are wrong. You gonna have to change it. And plus it make this wiki look like a fandom wiki with all these theory without direct facts. If a user feels like naruto can do susanno i guest he would put it in his article and say "its ok we came to the conclusion that he can do it" (sarcastically). Smh--Ankhael (talk) 01:00, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Finally, someone who seeks the truth.DazzlingEmerald (talk) 01:40, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Amaterasu is listed as a Blaze Release technique, so this move of removing Itachi as a Blaze Release user doesn't make sense. Fire Release at it's highest level IS Blaze Release, which Itachi can clearly do. If the ability of control is the major factor here, couldn't we just acknowledge in his nature transformation subsection of his abilities, that he can't exercise the same level of control over the black flames as Sasuke? Just a thought.--Minamoto15 (talk) 18:03, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thankfully,, it has finally been removed. He could not have inferior usage to Sasuke, because he did not possess the blaze release ability in his mangekyo sharingan. You all should know that a sharingan is limited to two abilities, one per each eye. By giving Itachi blaze release, you were giving him three abilities. I only hope those people who you've confused the past month will someday learn the truth.DazzlingEmerald (talk) 12:40, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

I added it again. ^_^ • Seelentau 愛 13:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

@DazzlingEmerald, can you explain how Amaterasu is not a Blaze Release dojustsu, when it's been explained that it's the highest level of Fire Release? Can you also explain how being able to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu makes it Blaze Release, and yet the flames themselves from Itachi's mangekyo sharingan aren't? Blaze Release(Amaterasu) and the Tsukuyomi are Itachi's two visual powers. Simple, no?--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:31, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Not entirely correct. Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are Itachi's powers, Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi are Sasuke's powers. • Seelentau 愛 13:44, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah I get that. Amaterasu and the ability to manipulate it (Kagutsuchi) are Sasuke's two mangekyo powers. But the Amaterasu itself isn't an Enton visiual technique? Because right now Amaterasu is listed as Enton release, which is probably why I'm confused on this issue. If it's been deduced that Amaterasu is an Enton Release sharingan power (seperate from Kagutsuchi), then shouldn't Itachi logically be listed as a user of Enton Release? Unless the black flames used for Kagutsuchi and Amaterasu are two different flames....though they're both visual powers. MIND......BLOWN--Minamoto15 (talk) 13:59, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, let me explain again how we came to the conclusion that Amaterasu is Blaze Release: When Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi first turned up, we thought that the whole name stood for the manipulation of the black flames, even though the fact that it was called release should've made us thinking. Over time, many people started discussions about this and were turned down or so. In the fight against Kaguya, Sasuke used Kagutsuchi without its Blaze Release prefix on the black flames of Amaterasu. Why didn't he say the prefix? Exactly: Because he already had black flames he could manipulate, there was no need to release them anymore. This was basically proof that Kagutsuchi is what manipulates the black flames and Blaze Release is what releases them. And since the black flames of Amaterasu and the ones of Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi are the same, it's only logical that Amaterasu is a Blaze Release technique, too. How Blaze Release really works, if it's an advanced nature or whatever is something we don't exactly know yet. • Seelentau 愛 14:02, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

@Dazzling, Blaze Release is stated to be black flames in chapter 464 page 6 by Gaara. Blaze Release is the release of black flames, stated in chapter 464, and Tau is correct. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 15:34, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Kagutsuchi is shape transformation a separate control of chakra from nature transformation. Most elemental techniques seen in the series use both. Naruto adding Wind-natured chakra to his Rasengan (highest level of shape transformation) doesn't make it a different nature like Hurricane Release or whatever. So "whatever nature black flames are" + shape transformation = the same nature just with altered shape. Therefore logically Enton is the black flames, not the flames+shape--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 18:24, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, chapter 464 page 6 stated that Blaze Release is black flames, and Amaterasu is black flames, so I don't know why people think Amaterasu is different. Is it because of the third databook that stated Amaterasu is fire? The same databook that stated Tobi is Madara? The same databook that stated Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu = Susanoo therefore every Susanoo user has Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu? The manga disproved all of those things. Manga > 3rd Databook. • WindStar7125 [Moderator] WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 18:32, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Stopping Kabuto's attack picture Edit

Here is the manga picture of it since you wanted Sasuke in it, do with it what you will wiki File:Sasitahands.PNG--Narutofox94 (talk) 20:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Yin and Yang Edit

Yea this should've been expected as being brought up. Why is Itachi listed as a Yin Release and Yang Release user? Banan14kab 21:19, November 6, 2014 (UTC)


I think because it's listed in the fourth databook--Ankhael (talk) 22:15, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Ok. I just remembered that it's common he uses genjutsu he uses (Izanami, Tsukoyomi) that are Yin Release, but I don't remember him using any Yang Release techniques. Banan14kab 04:41, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Itachi had enough time to form the Mirror. Edit

Itachi had to put his best defense up to block Kirin. If he didn't he'd have died flat out when the attack hit. Throwing around titles like invincible should really be avoided shouldn't they as well? They are pure hyperbole and subjective, not something that the wikia should represent.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:06, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Black Zetsu was the one that called it invincible, not the wiki. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 19:16, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
Which is why we should take it with a grain of salt. Saying 'virtually' would achieve the same effect. Otherwise we're putting hyperbole into the articles.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:27, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
It already says "essentially". ~SnapperTo 19:29, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

According to DB4 and Kishi himself... Edit

Before Itachi left Konoha he was 15 standing at 170cm when he finally joined Akatsuki.. now it is hinted that he joined Akatsuki immediately after he finished massacring the clan and leaving Konoha for good in the manga all the way to the 4 kages revival where Hiruzen says that doesn't he?... So that means that 4yrs after Shisui died is when he kills the clan and joins Akatsuki... this is the NEW canon... did I miss anything FF-Suzaku and Seelentau?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

There was a similar issue with timelines about the wars I believe. Basically, Kishimoto don't give no $*@(s about time.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 01:23, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah.. I saw the war stuff and there is no other way to chop that up other than simply errors from Kishi. In this case though is simply moves the "7 years ago" statement to 7 years ago from the end of DB4. So it isn't a major change, it just makes Itachi 15 when he joins Akatsuki and according to the manga and DB4, it means he at least just turned 15 the day he left Konoha, therefore it was around 4 years after he witnessed Shisui commit suicide. The wars dated timeline is so far all I can see that DB4 totally fucked to the point we can't make it sensibly work so it should be entirely ignored as it would be impossible for the war dates given to make sense and work at all. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:26, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Part I. says he was 11 when joining Akatsuki, Part II. says he was 13 when joining Akatsuki, DB4 says he was 15, so which?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 10:35, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

11 and beating Orochimaru was highly unlikely anyways I don't care who it was even 11 year old Hagoromo would not be able to do that.. part 2 consecutively said many times that he joined after he left Konoha, the only dates were were given for Itachi was that he was 11 when joining Anbu and 6 months later Shisui died, so the rest is where DB4 and Shippuden filled the blanks, only Kisama himself, in Part 1 only said that it was 7 years from that moment that Orochimaru left Akatsuki, part 2 and DB4 retconned that entirely. So it has been made that he was just turned 15 when he joined Akatsuki and we know he joined Akatsuki soon after leaving Konoha, we know he was still in Konoha and became a Anbu Captain at age 13. I guess Kishi finally decided(right at the frickin end..) to make it blatant and fact. So he was a 170 cm tall 15 year old and Sasuke was a 140 cm tall 10 year old(yamato was also 140 cm at 10 yet Sasuke outgrew him and became a taller adult than him lol) I guess that makes the parallel they tried to make between Sasuke and Itachi when Sasuke fought Orochimaru fit better.. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:16, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Basically, Kishi doesn't give a damn about ages. But I thought we were following the oh-so glorious databook, so I assume we did the same here.
~•WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125's Task 04:21, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

Is this a trivia? Edit

This has been bugging me for I don't know how long. Itachi first appeared on Naruto Chapter 141. Naruto Shippuden Episode 141 is where we really got to know about him. Does this count as a trivia? Dream mist11 (talk) 07:27, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

…no. Just no.--JOA2014:31, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

"Naruto points out to Itachi the flaw in his plans"? (Personality Section)Edit

Ok! I thought Itachi was the one who acknowledge his mistake by himself without being pointed out by anyone. But when I read the last paragraph in the "Personality" section, it says "Naruto points out to Itachi the flaw in his plans". Someone source the part is from "chapter 579 page 3" but when I reread chapter 579, it doesn't mention anything about it. Naruto is not even in Chapter 579. Chapter 579 is about the Uchiha brothers work together fighting Kabuto.

I think it's either someone put the wrong source or someone mistaken about Naruto being the one who pointed out to Itachi his flaw plans.

Sorry for my bad EnglishMichiyoChiba (talk) 16:55, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Reference added, before that paragraph, there is your answer to your question.

you could have read the whole page then you'd come to understand--Naruto uzu6254 (talk) 22:52, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

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