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== Kenjutsu ==
 
   
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== Quote ==
Shouldn't Itachi's [[kenjutsu]] skills be given a note, which were aptly displayed when he cut off [[Kabuto]]'s horn.[[Special:Contributions/188.140.178.3|188.140.178.3]] ([[User talk:188.140.178.3|talk]]) 20:32, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
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I'm seeing around the internet a quote where Itachi said "No single thing is perfect by itself. That is why we attract others to make up for what we lack." What chapter is that from?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 23:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:It's on #587, page 8. --[[User:SSJ2AJB|SSJ2AJB]] ([[User talk:SSJ2AJB|talk]]) 23:47, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
   
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== Itachi blocking Kirin ==
I think he has mastery with all ninja tools/weapons in general ... after all, ANBU wear Katanas and Uchiha are skilled in that area :P --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:52, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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I don't think it should be added since it contradicts previous feats, we didn't see him actually block it, and finally we don't add stuff like 'Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt in half' to his article despite being have said to have done so.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:19, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Besides ability sections are only created when a character either uses an ability on a regular basis or displays unusual variations of such. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:10, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
:A note possibly. Not that what he did to Kabuto's horn would warrant that note but since he's an Anbu he was more than likely trained in kenjutsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:17, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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We should add the Kakashi feat to his page, and the Kirin feat to Itachi's page. They happened. They are fact. We list what each character has done and said to have done. You're literally the ONLY person who doesn't want those feats added. [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 02:22, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
Itachi hasn't done enough with a sword to warrant a section. Swinging a sword once and cutting off a horn isn't notable.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 21:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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:Except we didn't see either. We can't say HOW they happened, and it contradicts other things dude. And no, I'm not the only one QuakingStar. You're acting like its a personal insult not to put Itachi at the highest level of things.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:26, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
He massacred the whole clan using a sword "_" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:40, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Doesn't matter, he blocked it. Only thing that happened was his cloak was incinerated, that's it. It should be added. Also Gai said Kakashi CUT the lightning bolt, and why would he lie about that?? Doesn't matter the timeline it was done/said they are character feats and they go in the ability sections of said characters. [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 02:35, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
:Deva, have you completely forgotten about the Uchiha Clan Massacre?! He used a damn sword there! --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 21:43, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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: It kind of does matter. We need to know how on top of wen. All we have for Itachi is 'why' but not how he did it. Not only that, how is using a jutsu which is basically raising a shield in place impressive to mention? And we're also looking into the fact Sasuke talked on and on and on, more than enough time for Itachi to get ready, it wasn't like Kirin was dropped automatically.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 02:38, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
I agree we should include it. [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 10:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Itachi was almost blind, Sasuke never mentioned the tech, Itachi wasn't even using Susanoo when the attack was unleashed. Therefor Sasuke talking and the time between its unleash are irrelevant Why is also irrelevant since Itachi himself said he used Susanoo to block it saying he would have died otherwise. [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 02:47, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
:What exactly would be added there? We know nothing of how he killed the members of the Uchiha clan using a sword with the exception of his parents and that's still a lot left to speculate there. There were also a ton of kunai and shuriken at the scene of the Massacre. All we've seen him do is block Kabuto's chakra scalpel with the sword. None of this is enough to give him his own section on kenjutsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:05, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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== Chakra Reserves ==
== Method of defeating the Edo Tensei ==
 
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How can we say for sure his natural reserves were low?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 01:14, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
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: Since when he was healthy in Part I? He had only three uses of the Mangekyo Sharingan before he needed significant rest and couldn't even maintain his Sharingan.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 00:05, March 18, 2016 (UTC)
   
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== Differentiating Clones ==
It is said in the intelligence section of Itachi's article it is written that "he seems to have found a method to defeat the [[Impure World Reincarnation]] altogether." But it was simply forcing the user to stop the technique. Either write as "he deduced a method" or remove it completely.[[Special:Contributions/37.41.182.143|37.41.182.143]] ([[User talk:37.41.182.143|talk]]) 11:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
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In the anime, Itachi made note that it was a shadow clone and he didn't expect the genjutsu to have an effect before Kakashi climbed out. Want me to add it again and add "in the anime"?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 02:38, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
"Itachi appears to have deduced a method of <s>defeating</s> countering the [[Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation]]"
 
That is what was there prior to your post.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:53, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Nigete nigete... ==
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== Chakra Enhanced Strength ==
   
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In the novel [[Itachi Shinden: Book of Bright Light]], it is explicitly stated that he kneads his chakra into his fist and uses it to shatter a boulder. Does this constitute [[Chakra Enhanced Strength]] or no?—[[User:LastationLover5000|Mina Țepeș]] [[File:Two Star.png|20px|link=User talk:LastationLover5000]] 00:35, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
Is there a translation by ShounenSuki of Itachi's (imo coolest) words? Because the one in the article doesn't look correct to me... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:"Forgive me Sasuke… …It ends with this." ?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:26, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::No no, the nigete-stuff. About Sasuke living a wretched life and all. It should be in the citate section, I think. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:42, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Uhm. I looked... and I don't see what you're talking about. o.o --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:48, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I mean the words he said to his brother after he killed his clan. ABout how Sasuke is not worth killing and should live a life in hate and such. It's in the text about Itachi's past, but not in the quotes-section. And it seems odd to me. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Oh. Though it'd been much easier if you just pasted the quote ( '-') y u no paste? If there isn't kanji and such with the quote it's unlikely it was gotten from Shounensuki.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::I was too lazy, sorry^^ But thanks, I think I'll ask him to translate it if he ever comes back~ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:20, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::I'll leave the door on the latch, if you ever come back, if you ever come back♫ T_T. I've been meaning to reference his quotes for a while now either way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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:It does, but we would have to put the source as the Novel. [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 01:41, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
Here are the Kanji and rōmaji, if you need them: 貴様など…殺す価値も無い。…愚かなる弟よ……。このオレを殺したくば、恨め!憎め!そして みにくく生きのびるがいい………。…逃げて逃げて…生にしがみつくがいい。, ''Kisama nado… Korosu kachi mo nai. …Orokanaru otōto yo…… Kono ore o koroshitakuba, urame! Nikume! Soshite, minikuku ikinobiru ga ii……… …Nigete nigete… Sei ni shigamitsuku ga ii.'' :) [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
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::Technically, not in the manga or any of the databooks over the years has something labeled a technique and called chakra enhanced strenght appeared, it's basically fanon. Most ninja use chakra to enhance their strenght in fact, it's just Tsunade and Sakura specialize in it and have an unmatched expertise.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:16, January 21, 2017 (UTC)
::Done.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:41, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Izanagi ==
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== Academy scores ==
   
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Are we going off the anime when putting "Highest scores second to Minato" Because in the books that I am reading. Itachi has the highest scores in the academy, Plus he technically graduated in 4 months (Passed the exam graduation test) He was told he was the smartest person to ever be in the exams and the youngest to graduate. Where does it state he had second highest scores?
I think we should include Izanagi to Uchiha Itachi Jutsu because The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. and He reached the point where he could even make use of one of the Uchiha clan's ultimate dōjutsu, Izanami, and had knowledge of its counterpart, Izanagi. what to you think guys? [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 10:55, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
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(Read the 2 Itachi books which the anime follows a different path and doesn't take much from the books at all)
:No. He's never used it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:06, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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~The Hero~ 14:27, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
@ Cerez365 Yes my friend he never seen used it because he dont have to. but the knowledge in the jutsu of Izanami to counter Izanagi and the details in explaining inch by inch say he can do the jutsu as explained to manga 587. there for he can also use it so we must include it to uchiha itachi jutsu. [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 12:54, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It is more than likely that he can use it. Just as how it is more than likely that every Sharingan-wielder can use Izanagi and Izanami. However, Itachi has never '''used''' the technique only spoken about it so he cannot be listed as a user. Information that was more than likely passed down through the clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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== Protection and small edit ==
By this logic, we would have to list Sasuke Uchiha as a user of Izanagi too because he essentially knows the ins and outs of the technique. Just because a user knows the technique and how it works doesn't mean it is a part of their arsenal. Besides that, I believe the site has a very strict "we have to see it to believe it" policy when it comes to adding techniques to lists. [[User:Gojinn|Gojinn]] ([[User talk:Gojinn|talk]]) 00:06, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
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Could somebody please lower the protection level now? It's not very necessary anymore. Also, if you want to keep the protection for this page, do me a favor and change the first "after" in the Personality section to "following." {{unsigned|Entrancement}}
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:Itachi's article is currently under no protection of any kind. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:32, July 4, 2018 (UTC)
   
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== Itachi returns back to the Pure Land with two eyes==
I believe to be able to use the Izanagi the wielder needs both Uchiha(which of course he has) and Senju DNA. and I dont think it says anywhere that Itachi has Senju DNA. [[Special:Contributions/71.48.214.128|71.48.214.128]] ([[User talk:71.48.214.128|talk]]) 13:11, June 4, 2012 (UTC) NaruFan
 
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If the user of Izanami loose in exchange the light of one of his eyes forever,why Itachi returns back to the Pure Land with his two eyes,unless it was an animation error?? [[User:Abdou250|Abdou250]] ([[User talk:Abdou250|talk]]) 18:56, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
   
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losing the light refers to going blind, it is something that affects a physical body, not the spirit. So his spirit would not be blind anyway. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 18:52, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
== Kotoamatsukami ==
 
   
i think we should also include this to itachi's jutsu as explained to manga 587. [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 12:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
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I see, i understand it now,thank you very much!! [[User:Abdou250|Abdou250]] ([[User talk:Abdou250|talk]]) 00:37, December 2, 2019 (UTC)
:He meant use it on Sasuke in the same manner he used it on himself, through his crow. It still only makes him an indirect user of the technique.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:57, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Quote - 587 ==
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== Itachi's chakra ==
   
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There's currently an editing dispute about how much chakra Itachi has. Looking back through the page history, this same dispute has been happening on and off for several years, and [[User:SuperSaiyaMan]] seems to almost always be involved. Yet despite how long it's been going on for and how often it's come up, it seems nobody has ever provided an actual reference for the information one way or the other. So I think it would be a good idea to ''finally'' do that. Here are three things that one or more version of the article says that I would like to see a reference for:
I think we should add his quote to Sasuke asserting his imperfection, that was a good one :P [[User talk:Aditya sasuke|'''akz!''']] [[File:ANBU Symbol.svg|10px]] 16:44, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
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#"As an Uchiha, Itachi's chakra was naturally strong"
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#"his [chakra] reserves were below average"
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#"his actual [chakra] reserves were greatly diminished due to his terminal illness"
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Please note that I'm looking for an '''actual reference that specifically says each of these things'''. I am '''not''' looking for a convoluted explanation that draws a conclusion from eight unrelated sources. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:51, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
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:Not sure if it falls under the standard you're looking for, but we are told that the Uchiha as a whole have powerful chakra via Obito (in chapter 398) and the fact that Indra's line inherited Hagoromo's "powerful chakra genes" (chapters 462 and 670); nothing about Itachi specifically though. As for point 2, we have his 2.5 stamina score to go by, but we were never told what constitutes an "average" score. Point 3 is definitely just a fan inference. All Obito says is that his body was ravaged by disease with no specifics, and Zetsu simply says that his movements seemed off and he should have been able to dodge Sasuke's attacks.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 10:28, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
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::Kakashi's stamina was given as 3 and he claimed himself to have low chakra reserves.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 16:12, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
   
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:Itachi's stats let alone his 2.5 stamina stat are from his last fight with Sasuke, where he was near death and about blind. So using Kakashi in that comparison still holds no water. Itachi having low chakra reserves seems to be more fan made than anything. If we are to go by all given knowledge that is not contradicted and not disproven than from the Jinraiden novel, and the Itachi novels we find out Itachi gained his sickness after awakening his Mangekyo, and after leaving Konoha before P1 begins, as the information given with it all happen before he appears in P1 to check on Sasuke, while in Jinraiden his illness is talked about after he is already dead. How about instead of mentioning his chakra reserves overall we try to find a better way to word it without some fan speculation [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 18:49, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
== Moniker revisited ==
 
   
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::I think BeyondRed's sources for statement 1 are good enough. I don't think the information itself needs to be in Itachi's article since it's pretty meaningless, but whatever; it's provable at least.
I know that people can generally call themselves [village's] and their name but Itachi insists on calling himself that on more than one occasions. So I think it might actually be a moniker granted that what he called himself the first time and as of chapter 588 are the same thing. Thoughts? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
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::If statement 2 is indeed based solely on Itachi's databook stats, then that should be removed. As BeyondRed said, the databooks don't explain explain those stats: there's no indication of how a 5 in a particular stat is different from a 4, nor is there an explanation of how the numbers are arrived at in-universe. That Kakashi has a 3 and that he claims to have low chakra falls into the "convoluted explanation" that does not belong on the wiki.
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::If statement 3 is indeed entirely fan speculation, then that's an easy decision to remove. Per BeyondRed again, there's evidence that Itachi's illness had ''some'' impact on his abilities according to Zetsu, and I think Tobi and Sasuke indicate Itachi would have won were he not sick, but none of those examples specify his chakra levels were impacted.
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::In the absence of any other sources, I think the only fair statement that can be made is that he can only use his MS three times in Part I before needing rest, which Itachi himself says in chapter 148. And it isn't "significant bed rest" as the article currently states, because (again, without a source to the contrary) we don't know how much rest he needs. In Kakashi's case, we know his rest requires several days, but Kakashi is not Itachi.
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::So we end up with: "<code><nowiki>As an Uchiha, Itachi's chakra was naturally strong.<ref>''Naruto'' chapter 398</ref> His actual reserves, however, were only large enough to use his [[Mangekyō Sharingan]] three times in a day before requiring rest.<ref name="c148">''Naruto'' chapter 148</ref> His chakra control was refined enough that he could perform [[hand seal]]s with one hand.<ref>''Naruto'' chapter 549, page 3</ref></nowiki></code>"
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::'''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:59, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
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::: You can add a single Mangekyo Sharingan technique required more than 30% of Itachi's chakra since his SHoten Clone was unable to use it with just 30% of Itachi's chakra.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 05:39, November 30, 2019 (UTC)
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::::That seems like having a second example of the same thing; that the MS requires a lot of chakra. Maybe put it in the MS section instead? Like: "<code><nowiki>Using any of these techniques required large amounts of chakra: a [[Shapeshifting Technique|copy]] of Itachi that had only 30% of his chakra was unable to use the Mangekyō Sharingan at all.<ref>''Naruto'' chapter 260</ref> If he used these techniques too often in a short span of time, Itachi would become so fatigued that he would deactivate his Sharingan altogether.<ref name="c148"/></nowiki></code>" '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:57, November 30, 2019 (UTC)
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:::::Well, you wanted more examples of Itachi's reserves being low, his MS usage is what shows how low it actually is. And despite the novels claiming he had the illness in part I it was never shown or alluded to there. All we know that is in the primary canon at the end of his life he had a illness, but not how long he had it. He could have even developed it recently, like post-Timeskip, hence why it seems he was forced to speed things up for his resolution with Sasuke.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:49, December 1, 2019 (UTC)
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::::::the novels details on his sickness haven't been contradicted or denied by any other information, Itachi was apparently sick since after he left Konoha but before P1 began, not as sick as P2 Itachi of course but still sick. Also like I said his stats in DB3 are from his fight with Sasuke in P2 while he is deathly sick and just about blind. a SICK Itachi was 2.5 tier in chakra. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 19:17, December 1, 2019 (UTC)
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::::::But that isn't an example of his reserves being "low". It's an example of how much chakra the MS needs. If you interpret that as being "low", then that is your business. And without an actual source ''saying'' his reserves are "low", your business does not belong on the wiki.
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::::::For the record, the only useful line in ''Jinraiden'' about how long Itachi had been sick is this: [[Reishi]], who makes the [[Kotarō|medicine]] that Itachi uses, says, "In the past few years [Itachi] had been our only honest customer." '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:48, December 1, 2019 (UTC)
   
:Well, he did kill his whole clan to save the leaf village so I'm sure he would want to be known as a konoha ninja. It seems a little overdone to me to call him that, like if we called Sasuke 'avenger' just because that's what he calls himself, you know? [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 23:26, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Ah, but it's all in the way they say it. The way Sasuke says it isn't "I'm Avenger", Itachi's called himself "Konoha's Itachi Uchiha" twice. There seems to be meaning behind it to me at least.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:45, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Yes, this https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Kotar%C5%8D Itachi had been visiting them for years, only in the alst few years he was the only honest customer.
@Cerez365 ??!!? {{unsigned|222.127.46.146}}
 
:It's all about the way things are said. Sasuke said he was <u>an</u> avenger not [the] "avenger". One's a classification the other can be used as a moniker. But never mind this as Itachi refers to himself as "Konoha's Itachi Uchiha" in one instance and then "Konohagakure's Itachi Uchiha" so since it's not fixed then it isn't really moniker notable.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:25, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Also there is this "They explain that Itachi visited them once or twice a year, ordered the most potent Kotarō they had and, while he waited for the medicine to be prepared, defended them from the Sendō clan. Itachi, whose body was sick beyond repair, was initially distant with Reishi and Kina, but with time started telling them about Sasuke, speaking of him warmly."
== Blind? ==
 
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[[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 22:35, December 1, 2019 (UTC)
   
At the time of Itachi's death his eyesight was very poor, in fact he could barely see at all. But Impure World Resurrection is supposed to endlessly regenerate the body. Does that include eyesight? If so, when Itachi uses Izanami, does his eye even lose sight at all? And even if it did couldn't he destroy the eye altogether and let it regenerate? And if he could do that then what's to stop the resurrected Madara from using Izanagi/Izanami as many times as he wants? Anyway, not expecting any answers, just throwing ideas around. [[Special:Contributions/76.197.13.64|76.197.13.64]] ([[User talk:76.197.13.64|talk]]) 18:56, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Forgot to add these from the official english volume releases. Itachi was heavily implied to have his disease before coming to Konoha, with him going there to show them that he was still alive.
:Edo Tensei is suppose to resurrect someone the exact same way they were before they died (Which is why Nagato looked older). Apparently Itachi wasn't quite as blind as we thought. As for jutsus, they still affect the dead body the same way they would have if they were alive so Itachi will stay blind in that one eye. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 19:08, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
::It is possible that was was happening to Itachi was just temporary from the extended use. Kinda like severe eye-strain somewhat like what Neji went through just that with them, it get's terrible and then better, but doesn't go back to being perfect. It's really one of those things that Kishimoto would have to answer. As for using Izanagi and Izanami, Itachi's eye is still blind, I don't think that would change even if the eye was destroyed and regenerated, that doesn't make the eye brand new just reverts it to the state it was in prior to being destroyed. Or else Nagato could've destroyed his legs and got new ones.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:57, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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You guys do realize that Edos are still susceptible to the drawbacks of their own techniques, right? Mū and his Splitting and Capt'n Awesome and his Steamboy are examples. There's no doubt this would be for keeps. Edo Tensei only regenerates physical blows anyway, as in destroyed body parts. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 06:01, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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== Legacy section ==
 
   
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== for him extinguishing Amaterasu, it is said by Zetsu that he did so. ==
since Itachi came back as a character for reals, shouldn't the Legacy section be integrated before the World War section?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:10, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No. Edo Tensei is essentially a temporary resurrection. It only binds hiis soul to the Impure World so long as the technique is active. It doesn't change the fact that Itachi is still dead and his body is decaying. Plus he's about to end the technique. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 05:58, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Chapter 390 Page 07-09. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 19:35, February 13, 2020 (UTC)
== Genjutsu Abilities ==
 
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:References are more usefully put in the articles themselves, not the articles' talk pages. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 00:49, February 29, 2020 (UTC)
   
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== From the novels ==
Genjutsu abilities under skills section. I see Ninjutsu and Taijutsu prowess but not genjutsu. Seems strange seeing as how he's the most proficient genjutsu user in the series.{{unsigned|12.53.193.5}}
 
:That information should be present under his [[Sharingan]] section. No use repeating the same information twice.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:28, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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The Itachi novels are based around the manga and not the anime just to point it out to some people.. But onto what I am going to mention here.. Itachi's age was falsified for his Anbu Captain promotion as he was actually promoted a year earlier at age 12 with Danzo wanting him to be a Captain as soon as possible but Hiruzen deemed 11 to be too young for anybody to be leading an Anbu Squad so with that his public age was upped a year on the official records for Anbu stuff so while it is recorded that he was aged 13 upon promotion, he was in actuality a year younger than that. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 02:24, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
== Infobox Image ==
 
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DUDE I AM TRYING TO GET DELIBERATION ON IT. Some might not agree that it belongs in the article since it was only mentioned in the novels and I am trying to get peoples opinions on it before simply adding it. Because there are some users who like to edit war and throw hissy fits when people add novel things to the pages. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 02:48, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
I think Itachi Uchiha Infobox needs a new, and refurbished image. I don't think the current image is a very good image. [[User:WeAreTheAkatsuki|WeAreTheAkatsuki]] ([[User talk:WeAreTheAkatsuki|talk]]) 21:57, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Why? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:01, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::No reason whatsoever to change it. Unless you can find a suitable image to use from the original Naruto that would suffice, then post it here but the image won't change. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:02, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Nobody wants to chime in?? Fine. I will add it to the article. [[User:FlatZone|FlatZone]] ([[User talk:FlatZone|talk]]) 17:41, May 22, 2020 (UTC)
== Below-Average Chakra Levels ==
 
   
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== Obito's statement to himself ==
Where does it say that he had below-average chakra levels? It used to say that I know but someone got rid of it thankfully. Honestly the reason he had below-average chakra levels was because of his illness. It was never stated in the manga or anime though so why did people put it in the first place instead of just "his illness"?--[[User:BlackGhost91|BlackGhost91]] ([[User talk:BlackGhost91|talk]]) 02:55, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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"Even Tobi admitted if he didn't keep some secrets from Itachi, he might have been killed by Itachi's trap.[77]"
Look at his stats, 2.5 for stamina ... that's really low, especially for Jounin level or in his case even higher. We don't know if it was due to his illness or not (unless manga or databook stated as such) but if you compare it to Ninja around his age and skill, he really has below average chakra levels. Kakashi was directly stated to have low stamina, and he has 3 ^_^ --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:31, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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In the official translated chapter 397, and even in the translations found on Naruto forums.
:I kinda agree with BlackGhost. There's never been an "average" for stamina ever stated. Kurenai is a jōnin and her stamina level is 2 yet her article doesn't state that she has "below-average" levels of stamina. I don't think it's important that it's mentioned that it's below average since it's more than likely a direct cause of his illness. Take Hiruzen for example, only his physical-related stats have waned since his old age (well that's me assuming). Also Itachi's rank is ANBU.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:53, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Kakashi was noted to have low stamina and he is 3. That's the only reason I wrote the above :P And that's not an assumption, since stats can increase by training - they can wane by advanced age ... what supports this is the statement that Hiruzen's chakra level has dropped ... maybe he had 5/5 in his prime. Also I was talking about Itachi as a Jounin power wise ... Naruto and Sasuke are almost/if not more Kage level and they are technically genin--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:22, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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This is what is said in the official translations
: However, what they are stating, and making a very valid point at, is that there is not an "average" chakra level ever demonstrated in the series. Each character has varying degrees of chakra and the databooks are so far apart that the stats are rarely an accurate portrayal of the character's abilities beyond the point in the manga the databook in question covers. In fact, your statement itself is contradictory. You say that Itachi has low chakra for an "average" Jōnin, however, the only other Jōnin that has really had his chakra commented on in great detail is Kakashi and his was also low. Chakra is not bigger or otherwise just because a person is a certain rank, as shown by both Naruto and Sasuke. There is no "average" chakra for a certain rank, or for ninja in general. Chakra levels are unique to the ninja in question and his or her abilities. Rewording the statement to saying "Itachi has unusually low chakra", with a few examples following, removes the below-average statement while acknowledging that Itachi does, in fact, have low chakra. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 10:20, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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WHY would Obito be referring to the trap? Would Itachi magically make his Amaterasu be Izanagi and Kamui proof if he knew Obito's secrets? No. Obito wasn't referring to the trap alone. He was referring to the fact that Itachi would have killed him already if he knew all of Obito's secrets(Izanagi, the workings of Kamui's intangibility). Seriously what would Itachi have changed about the trap? Transcription Seal: NO U and bam Obito's dead?? Logic is seriously not being considered here. [[User:BloodOfTheArchon|BloodOfTheArchon]] ([[User talk:BloodOfTheArchon|talk]]) 19:54, October 13, 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, what you said. EDIT: Sasuke was stated to have more chakra and mastery for a genin of his age for example. Not rank-wise but power-wise, Itachi was Kage level or more, and 2.5 is still low chakra level when compared to Kakashi's 3 that's also low--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:21, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
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::Here is what I am saying though, WHAT would change about the Amaterasu trap if Itachi knew his secrets?? He would still use Izanagi and Kamui. So logically it makes zero sense unless he is saying Itachi would have made a different kind of trap that would have killed him for sure, or that Itachi would have killed him beforehand for sure. Unless you are saying Itachi knowing his secrets would magically make his Amaterasu be omnipotent to Obito and no matter what Obito did it would still kill him and that makes ZERO sense. [[User:BloodOfTheArchon|BloodOfTheArchon]] ([[User talk:BloodOfTheArchon|talk]]) 01:37, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
Currently, the whole "low stamina" thing on the page is a non-sequitor. It's a stand-alone sentence that doesn't fit with the rest of the paragraph. Can someone add in examples from the manga? Also, correlation does not mean causation. It is very possible Itachi has naturally low stamina, even without the disease. Also, instead of using the databooks to compare between two shinobi, I think it is better to compare their stats relative to themselves. That said, a 2.5 standing among 4s and 5s is worth noting.--[[User:Formerly140|Formerly140]] ([[User talk:Formerly140|talk]]) 20:27, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
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:::Your personal opinions about whether or not it would make a difference are irrelevant. He's talking about the trap in that panel, so that's what the article will stick with. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:40, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
:Like I've tried to explain before, illness is always directly correlated with low "energy" or stamina if you will especially one that is terminal. Stamina as we've seen, is something that can be expanded/increased through training, case in point Kakashi Hatake. I don't know why, in this specific case, people would believe that the two are totally unrelated.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:35, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
::If one notices his battles, he doesn't last much long...the fact that up to three uses of his MS left him in the gutter, in terms of stamina/chakra, stands to point the Itachi's (sole) weak point is his chakra levels, which while i agree to the whole removal of ''below average stamina'' it's a fact that from what was shown Itachi isn't capable of going on a long duration fight. Now we don't know when he contracted his disease or how much he was affected but chakra-wise, in terms of amount/power is his Aquille's Heel. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:45, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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::::I'm not talking about my personal opinion. HOW would that trap have killed Obito? Obito said if Itachi knew his secrets then he himself would be dead. He showed zero doubts of that. So again how would a transcription seal: amaterasu do that to Obito? [[User:BloodOfTheArchon|BloodOfTheArchon]] ([[User talk:BloodOfTheArchon|talk]]) 07:04, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
:Kakashi is an interesting example. He has naturally low stamina, right? But he also has a sharingan that's constantly sucking away at his chakra. Can we say Kakashi ONLY has low stamina, because of the sharingan? No. Likewise, with Itachi, I'm very sure the disease has some effect on Itachi's stamina, along with his strength, speed/reflexes, etc, etc. I'm never saying his disease is unrelated with his abilities. I'm simply saying, you may be overlooking the fact that even without a disease making his stamina low, it may be naturally low to begin with. [[User:Formerly140|Formerly140]] ([[User talk:Formerly140|talk]]) 20:46, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
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:::::It is your opinion. You are rejecting the obvious fact that he's talking about Itachi's trap because you don't feel there's any sort of trap Itachi could have used that would have worked. The article's sole responsibility is to document what happens in the series and it is currently doing so with regards to this scene. It is ''not'' the wiki's responsibility to reinterpret scenes because one or more users have decided the scene does not make sense. If you want to speculate about ways in which Itachi could have killed Tobi with a trap, or if you want to debate that Tobi is talking about something entirely unrelated, do so on a forum. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 08:17, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
::But here's the thing or things: first due to him being a non-Uchiha, Kakashi's Shraingan sucks up even more chakra than it would on an Uchiha, which was noted that with enough training was negilable. Maybe his stamina/chakra is mediocre but his sharingan is or was a major factor to it. Itachi on the other hand, due to the fact that the details of his illness are non-existant, we don't how much he was affected by it. Maybe your right, maybe not, but the fact is that the details are few and far-between. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:58, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Not naturally low or low at all. We don't know what kind of stamina Kakashi had except that he says it's not anywhere on Sasuke or Naruto's level. However he was able to train or whatever and is now able to use the Sharingan related techniques for extended periods of time. That being said, there is no way for us to know whether or not he would have low stamina sans the illness, because simply put, he was ill so it cannot be counted as a non-factor. To address the recent post, how do you know it isn't a case where people who wield dōjutsu just naturally have more chakra to wield the eye? Because that's never been explained to us, and I don't know whether or not the eye recognises "my host is not an Uchiha, so i'll suck more chakra from them to work".--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:04, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Well at least that's what's stated in Kakashi's page, that due to the fact that he is not of Uchiha blood, his Sharingan costs him more chakra to use, plus i do remember a similar mention in the earlier chapters of the series. It does make sense since he's wielding a KK that's not natural to him so he's bound to deal with some backlash. Now in regards to Itachi, it's what i've said before, given how we don't know when or how he contracted his disease or the full extent of the symptoms we don't know if his stamina was low before or due to it, only that his is lower than most other characters. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::: Yes, we don't know if Itachi has naturally low stamina, but it IS a possibility. And I think saying "he has low stamina" is much more neutral and unbiased than saying "his low stamina was a result of his illness." That makes me think Itachi would have a 5 in stamina if he didn't have an illness. He may very well have a 3.5 or a 4 in stamina without the disease, which, relative to himself, is still low. Another reason I don't want a causal link between his stats and his disease is that then we can argue his other stats are affected by the disease as well. Such as, "his 4.5 in taijutsu and 3.5 in strength are also a result of his illness, and thus should be much higher." [[User:Formerly140|Formerly140]] ([[User talk:Formerly140|talk]]) 21:20, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Chapter 590==
 
 
Just a question: did he really called "Madara" by the name of Tobi? If so, that means he doesn't believe Tobi is Madara Uchiha like he said before fighting Sasuke? [[User:Rubião|Rubião]] ([[User talk:Rubião|talk]]) 23:46, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
In the translation I read he never said his name at all. He just said that he knew about him and that he knew he wanted revenge against the Uchiha clan. -[[User:EriHonjo|EriHonjo]] ([[User talk:EriHonjo|talk]]) 11:16, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No. In the translation I read Itachi said "Tobi". This was right before he showed his memory to Sasuke. --[[User:Rubião|Rubião]] ([[User talk:Rubião|talk]]) 20:21, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That's a wrong translation. They met for the first time in that scene, there is no way in the hell he could know his "name" at that point--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:36, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The only mention of the name "Tobi" that I saw was when Itachi said "Tobi and Danzō were right". And no that doesn't have to mean that he believes Tobi isn't Madara. It could have just become force of habit but we never know. Itachi was brilliant after all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Editing Itachi's page? ==
 
 
When in the editing page, a notification came up that said Itachi's page was locked and I may not be able to edit it? Are only certain people allowed to edit his page or something? -[[User:EriHonjo|EriHonjo]] ([[User talk:EriHonjo|talk]]) 11:19, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Only registered users can edit the page, you should be able to edit. -[[User:White Flash|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''White Flash'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:White Flash|<span style="font-size:90%; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]- 11:25, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Ok! Thanks so much!! :) -[[User:EriHonjo|EriHonjo]] ([[User talk:EriHonjo|talk]]) 11:29, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Nature Type ==
 
 
What happen to Itachi's Nature Type box? I dont see anything on it. is it an error? [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 11:54, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
its a bug.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.224|71.71.58.224]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.224|talk]]) 12:33, July 5, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
==New Image==
 
I think this picture is better than the current one File:V.jpg --[[User:Azed|Azed]] ([[User talk:Azed|talk]]) 03:28, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No, there's nothing wrong with the current one. -[[User:White Flash|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''White Flash'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:White Flash|<span style="font-size:90%; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]-
 
::Azed... What has Itachi ever done to you that was so bad?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:51, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Cerez, that was really rude of you and it wasn't called for.
 
:::I agree we need a newish image but I don't have any of the DVD's with me to check for a better image. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:23, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
With the exception that he is facing the wrong way, (left instead of right) I see nothing that requires action.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:24, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Oh dear, I hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way Azed, I was going for more of a [http://www.wackybuttons.com/designcodes/110/1102400.jpg whyyy thing] because the image looks so off-putting to me at least. Any way, I agree with the former, and see no issue with the image currently in his infobox, he looks absolutely regal v_v --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]
 
 
== crow kararimi ==
 
itachi uses some kind of technique in the games that turns him into a swarm of crows and then these crows gather forming his body again..could that be some kind of replacement or clone technique ?--[[Special:Contributions/177.33.242.192|177.33.242.192]] ([[User talk:177.33.242.192|talk]]) 01:44, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If for real, Crow Clone Technique, if not, just regular genjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:57, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== What's the point of this? ==
 
 
"Despite his own impressive abilities, Itachi never underestimated his opponents, given his praise of Jiraiya,[32] in which he noted to Kisame that if they fought him, they would either die or end in a tie." Shouldn't this be in the Personality section? It has nothing to do with Itachi's abilities. I mean, at this point we all know why Itachi said that. To protect the Leaf Village and its strongest Shinobi (Jiraiya).--{{unsigned|77.46.229.154}}
 
 
:* He was praised about his abilities by a Sanin- canon source of praise
 
:* Can fit into both personality and abilities- shows he's not overconfident
 
:* Not going to answer that last part because it's speculation that will lead to a never-ending discussion
 
:* Sign your posts.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:30, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Root==
 
Since he was commanded by [[Danzō Shimura|Danzō]] himself, doesn't that mean that [[Itachi Uchiha]] was a member of [[Root]].?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 19:28, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think so, no. The series specifically stated that Itachi was a member of ANBU, which are under the direct control of the Hokage. Itachi and Danzō's meeting was in secrecy, wasn't it? He threatened Itachi and all that such, forcing Itachi to make a choice, if I remember correctly.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:32, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Not that we know of--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:01, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Abilities ==
 
I changed abilities back to incredibly powerful instead of just powerful. as lesser characters as stated in the manga (orochimaru admitting itachi is stronger) are described as being being extremely or very powerful.
 
 
it's only fair {{unsigned|Seretonin}}
 
 
All of which is already accounted for without the extra adjective. If Itachi's overall skills were less known, then it might be the case, but his skills have been quite detailed. Adding fluff when there's an already adequate amount of info will only make it look there's bias in the article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:36, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Again orochimaru who has showcased all of his skills both defeated and admitted he was weaker has the extra adjective. the same goes for kakazu who was pushed to his limits who gets a "very" and sasori again who gets an 'extremely' so the bias argument isn't valid as it was sated nagato and itachi were the strongest in madara's army.
 
 
also note i didn't add the adjective it was there before i just put it back.
 
{{unsigned|Seretonin}}
 
 
:I don't understand. If it can go for one like Itachi, why not go (or not) for everyone else. For me, it's either you add the extra adjective or you don't for everyone because each of those characters, mentioned directly or not, are ''extremely'' powerful.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:58, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I think my unease in adding adjectives to Itachi comes from those lengthy debates about his skill in regards to his illness, and the mythic wars I've seen on Itachi and Jiraiya. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Which is completley your problem, wiki readers should not have to suffer for your hang up, the 'extrodinarley' powerful orochimaru was still one paneled by a sick itachi.[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 11:46, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The only "extremely" powerful individuals are close-to-impossible-to-beat, like Madara for example. Powerful by itself means someone is very strong. From the dialogue, Itachi and Jiraiya were strong alike. But Itachi defeated Orochimaru, Orochimaru defeated Jiraiya, Nagato also defeated Jiraiya... you get the point. It's better to remove "an extremely" to avoid "versus" wars because such comparisons are hard to and shouldn't be made.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 02:43, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:sasori was 'extremely' powerful until i changed it. Orochimaru never defeated jiraya in the manga.[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 11:46, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
::You're quantifying a person's strength in the wrong way. Despite the fact that Orochimaru was "one-panelled" as you called it, that does not detract from the fact that he was an immensely powerful shinobi. In fact as I said before '''all''' the characters that have that adjective added to their articles have displayed immense power or what not. That is why I said, it's either we keep it for all of them, or none of them at all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:49, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::It would be easier to add it to Itachi rather than removing from everywhere.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:51, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well, Itachi INDEED was immensely powerful (he even stated to be the one to surpass Madara) but hinted that Jiraiya was equal to him, but then again, Jiraiya was inferior to Orochimaru and Orochimaru inferior to Itachi, so it kinda makes no sense. So the best way is to leave the word alone in most cases--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:57, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: Jiraya never once was stated to be weaker or infereior than Orochimaru. and according to Kabuto every thing itachi said before his death was a lie. however orochimaru did directly state itachi was stronger then him being the only legitimate hype in your post[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 21:08, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I believe we should get as close to fanservicing our characters as possible without o/ding or distorting information so I'd be all for that. Each character's abilities section, to me at least, should read like we're handing them an award. At least when possible.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:58, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Sounds familiar (isn't that what I said?) ;) '''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:: and at that note i'm changing it back[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 21:08, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chakra levels ==
 
Kimimaro was in an even worse condition than Itachi during their final fights respectively (with each breath literally taking Kimimaro closer to death), yet he was given a 4.5 in stamina while Itachi was given a 2.5. Sorry, that's indicative of Itachi just having a naturally low stamina.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 20:10, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
:You responding to the dead discussion is just indicative that you're still griping about the same old topic. Even if the character is not to your liking, that shouldn't carry over into your editing. That being said, what is below average stamina? How exactly is is quantified? Kakashi's stamina which was also commented as being "poor" or so was at a 3, so is that bad or respectable? If not, then why did Sasuke at 3/3.5 tire out before this naturally low-stamina person who was using MS techniques? Also, comparing Itachi to Kimimaro is like comparing the effects of cancer and AIDS on two entirely different, and unrelated personsm then saying that the results should be the same. Most definitely, Itachi's low stamina should be mentioned but not at all in the manner that you're doing it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 05:57, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Itachi outlasted Sasuke since Sasuke ''purposely'' used Orochimaru's replacement technique to escape Amaterasu, since Sasuke thought he had it won with Kirin. That's the only reason due to the sheer ''amount'' of chakra that said technique requires. If Sasuke had just severed his wing with his sword when it was set ablaze, he'd have outlasted Itachi even when Itachi used Susano'o. Kakashi's stamina is average and has increased over time. And comparing Itachi and Kimimaro is valid-both have terminal illnesses, both died of over taxing their bodies with their illnesses. Yet Kimimaro, despite being literally on his DEATH BED Kishimoto still rated him the higher of the two in sheer stamina and chakra.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 08:28, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Without getting into the semantics of that battle, you cannot compare the two of them unless they contracted the same disease, as I said earlier, AIDS is not cancer, neither is cancer, AIDS. You don't know what either of them had, what stage it was at, or the toll it took on their bodies respectively. All people with terminal illnesses aren't the same. apart from that, factors like cursed seals I believe factor into those dataook stats, do they not?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 08:36, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::: Cursed seals, bloodlines, sealed Tailed Beasts, or stamina enhancements don't count towards stamina ratings in the manga. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:19, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
ignore that supersayinanman dude. The guy is an Itachi hater of the highest kind, i know him from one forum, he will do anything to make itachi look bad. {{unsigned|178.222.149.167}}
 
 
Saiyaman is right about one thing though, cursed seals, bijuu, and transformations are not accounted for in the databook stats. [[Special:Contributions/71.126.164.80|71.126.164.80]] ([[User talk:71.126.164.80|talk]]) 14:30, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== A missing nin, oh wait 0_o ==
 
 
Technically, it was an official mission and his missin-nin status a disguise.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:49, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Officially he was a missing nin though. Officially '''officially''' he wasn't. This wasn't something that he'd come home from when it was over.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:55, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Good point, still, but perhaps Hiruzen, if he were alive or Tsunade would have allowed him to come back once it was over if Itachi didn't die? I know he was sacrificed so the village doesn't get dirty hands, but old man allowed Anko to return and slug princess shares his ideology ._. In case that the truth gets revealed, we would have to change it anyway, or not?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
:He is dead and he died as a mising nin.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:19, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== relationship-Lover? ==
 
 
 
Should something about an unnamed lover be mentioned in Itachi's family infobox. I mean Dan is mentioned in Tsunade's. See here for proof:
 
No links ಠ_ಠ
 
 
--[[User:Anthonyreynolds1995|Anthonyreynolds1995]] ([[User talk:Anthonyreynolds1995|talk]]) 03:37, March 31, 2013 (UTC) Anthonyreynolds1995
 
:That's because Dan has a name. The same would go for Asuma and Kurenai.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:40, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 

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I'm seeing around the internet a quote where Itachi said "No single thing is perfect by itself. That is why we attract others to make up for what we lack." What chapter is that from?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 23:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

It's on #587, page 8. --SSJ2AJB (talk) 23:47, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Itachi blocking Kirin

I don't think it should be added since it contradicts previous feats, we didn't see him actually block it, and finally we don't add stuff like 'Kakashi cutting a lightning bolt in half' to his article despite being have said to have done so.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:19, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

We should add the Kakashi feat to his page, and the Kirin feat to Itachi's page. They happened. They are fact. We list what each character has done and said to have done. You're literally the ONLY person who doesn't want those feats added. QuakingStar (talk) 02:22, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Except we didn't see either. We can't say HOW they happened, and it contradicts other things dude. And no, I'm not the only one QuakingStar. You're acting like its a personal insult not to put Itachi at the highest level of things.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:26, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, he blocked it. Only thing that happened was his cloak was incinerated, that's it. It should be added. Also Gai said Kakashi CUT the lightning bolt, and why would he lie about that?? Doesn't matter the timeline it was done/said they are character feats and they go in the ability sections of said characters. QuakingStar (talk) 02:35, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

It kind of does matter. We need to know how on top of wen. All we have for Itachi is 'why' but not how he did it. Not only that, how is using a jutsu which is basically raising a shield in place impressive to mention? And we're also looking into the fact Sasuke talked on and on and on, more than enough time for Itachi to get ready, it wasn't like Kirin was dropped automatically.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:38, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Itachi was almost blind, Sasuke never mentioned the tech, Itachi wasn't even using Susanoo when the attack was unleashed. Therefor Sasuke talking and the time between its unleash are irrelevant Why is also irrelevant since Itachi himself said he used Susanoo to block it saying he would have died otherwise. QuakingStar (talk) 02:47, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Chakra Reserves

How can we say for sure his natural reserves were low?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 01:14, March 9, 2016 (UTC)

Since when he was healthy in Part I? He had only three uses of the Mangekyo Sharingan before he needed significant rest and couldn't even maintain his Sharingan.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 00:05, March 18, 2016 (UTC)

Differentiating Clones

In the anime, Itachi made note that it was a shadow clone and he didn't expect the genjutsu to have an effect before Kakashi climbed out. Want me to add it again and add "in the anime"?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 02:38, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

Chakra Enhanced Strength

In the novel Itachi Shinden: Book of Bright Light, it is explicitly stated that he kneads his chakra into his fist and uses it to shatter a boulder. Does this constitute Chakra Enhanced Strength or no?—Mina Țepeș File:Two Star.png 00:35, January 20, 2017 (UTC)

It does, but we would have to put the source as the Novel. QuakingStar (talk) 01:41, January 20, 2017 (UTC)
Technically, not in the manga or any of the databooks over the years has something labeled a technique and called chakra enhanced strenght appeared, it's basically fanon. Most ninja use chakra to enhance their strenght in fact, it's just Tsunade and Sakura specialize in it and have an unmatched expertise.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 18:16, January 21, 2017 (UTC)

Academy scores

Are we going off the anime when putting "Highest scores second to Minato" Because in the books that I am reading. Itachi has the highest scores in the academy, Plus he technically graduated in 4 months (Passed the exam graduation test) He was told he was the smartest person to ever be in the exams and the youngest to graduate. Where does it state he had second highest scores? (Read the 2 Itachi books which the anime follows a different path and doesn't take much from the books at all)

~The Hero~ 14:27, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

Protection and small edit

Could somebody please lower the protection level now? It's not very necessary anymore. Also, if you want to keep the protection for this page, do me a favor and change the first "after" in the Personality section to "following." —This unsigned comment was made by Entrancement (talkcontribs) .

Itachi's article is currently under no protection of any kind. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:32, July 4, 2018 (UTC)

Itachi returns back to the Pure Land with two eyes

If the user of Izanami loose in exchange the light of one of his eyes forever,why Itachi returns back to the Pure Land with his two eyes,unless it was an animation error?? Abdou250 (talk) 18:56, March 29, 2019 (UTC)

losing the light refers to going blind, it is something that affects a physical body, not the spirit. So his spirit would not be blind anyway. FlatZone (talk) 18:52, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

I see, i understand it now,thank you very much!! Abdou250 (talk) 00:37, December 2, 2019 (UTC)

Itachi's chakra

There's currently an editing dispute about how much chakra Itachi has. Looking back through the page history, this same dispute has been happening on and off for several years, and User:SuperSaiyaMan seems to almost always be involved. Yet despite how long it's been going on for and how often it's come up, it seems nobody has ever provided an actual reference for the information one way or the other. So I think it would be a good idea to finally do that. Here are three things that one or more version of the article says that I would like to see a reference for:

  1. "As an Uchiha, Itachi's chakra was naturally strong"
  2. "his [chakra] reserves were below average"
  3. "his actual [chakra] reserves were greatly diminished due to his terminal illness"

Please note that I'm looking for an actual reference that specifically says each of these things. I am not looking for a convoluted explanation that draws a conclusion from eight unrelated sources. ~SnapperTo 06:51, November 29, 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if it falls under the standard you're looking for, but we are told that the Uchiha as a whole have powerful chakra via Obito (in chapter 398) and the fact that Indra's line inherited Hagoromo's "powerful chakra genes" (chapters 462 and 670); nothing about Itachi specifically though. As for point 2, we have his 2.5 stamina score to go by, but we were never told what constitutes an "average" score. Point 3 is definitely just a fan inference. All Obito says is that his body was ravaged by disease with no specifics, and Zetsu simply says that his movements seemed off and he should have been able to dodge Sasuke's attacks.--BeyondRed (talk) 10:28, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Kakashi's stamina was given as 3 and he claimed himself to have low chakra reserves.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 16:12, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
Itachi's stats let alone his 2.5 stamina stat are from his last fight with Sasuke, where he was near death and about blind. So using Kakashi in that comparison still holds no water. Itachi having low chakra reserves seems to be more fan made than anything. If we are to go by all given knowledge that is not contradicted and not disproven than from the Jinraiden novel, and the Itachi novels we find out Itachi gained his sickness after awakening his Mangekyo, and after leaving Konoha before P1 begins, as the information given with it all happen before he appears in P1 to check on Sasuke, while in Jinraiden his illness is talked about after he is already dead. How about instead of mentioning his chakra reserves overall we try to find a better way to word it without some fan speculation FlatZone (talk) 18:49, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
I think BeyondRed's sources for statement 1 are good enough. I don't think the information itself needs to be in Itachi's article since it's pretty meaningless, but whatever; it's provable at least.
If statement 2 is indeed based solely on Itachi's databook stats, then that should be removed. As BeyondRed said, the databooks don't explain explain those stats: there's no indication of how a 5 in a particular stat is different from a 4, nor is there an explanation of how the numbers are arrived at in-universe. That Kakashi has a 3 and that he claims to have low chakra falls into the "convoluted explanation" that does not belong on the wiki.
If statement 3 is indeed entirely fan speculation, then that's an easy decision to remove. Per BeyondRed again, there's evidence that Itachi's illness had some impact on his abilities according to Zetsu, and I think Tobi and Sasuke indicate Itachi would have won were he not sick, but none of those examples specify his chakra levels were impacted.
In the absence of any other sources, I think the only fair statement that can be made is that he can only use his MS three times in Part I before needing rest, which Itachi himself says in chapter 148. And it isn't "significant bed rest" as the article currently states, because (again, without a source to the contrary) we don't know how much rest he needs. In Kakashi's case, we know his rest requires several days, but Kakashi is not Itachi.
So we end up with: "As an Uchiha, Itachi's chakra was naturally strong.<ref>''Naruto'' chapter 398</ref> His actual reserves, however, were only large enough to use his [[Mangekyō Sharingan]] three times in a day before requiring rest.<ref name="c148">''Naruto'' chapter 148</ref> His chakra control was refined enough that he could perform [[hand seal]]s with one hand.<ref>''Naruto'' chapter 549, page 3</ref>"
~SnapperTo 19:59, November 29, 2019 (UTC)
You can add a single Mangekyo Sharingan technique required more than 30% of Itachi's chakra since his SHoten Clone was unable to use it with just 30% of Itachi's chakra.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 05:39, November 30, 2019 (UTC)
That seems like having a second example of the same thing; that the MS requires a lot of chakra. Maybe put it in the MS section instead? Like: "Using any of these techniques required large amounts of chakra: a [[Shapeshifting Technique|copy]] of Itachi that had only 30% of his chakra was unable to use the Mangekyō Sharingan at all.<ref>''Naruto'' chapter 260</ref> If he used these techniques too often in a short span of time, Itachi would become so fatigued that he would deactivate his Sharingan altogether.<ref name="c148"/>" ~SnapperTo 20:57, November 30, 2019 (UTC)
Well, you wanted more examples of Itachi's reserves being low, his MS usage is what shows how low it actually is. And despite the novels claiming he had the illness in part I it was never shown or alluded to there. All we know that is in the primary canon at the end of his life he had a illness, but not how long he had it. He could have even developed it recently, like post-Timeskip, hence why it seems he was forced to speed things up for his resolution with Sasuke.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:49, December 1, 2019 (UTC)
the novels details on his sickness haven't been contradicted or denied by any other information, Itachi was apparently sick since after he left Konoha but before P1 began, not as sick as P2 Itachi of course but still sick. Also like I said his stats in DB3 are from his fight with Sasuke in P2 while he is deathly sick and just about blind. a SICK Itachi was 2.5 tier in chakra. FlatZone (talk) 19:17, December 1, 2019 (UTC)
But that isn't an example of his reserves being "low". It's an example of how much chakra the MS needs. If you interpret that as being "low", then that is your business. And without an actual source saying his reserves are "low", your business does not belong on the wiki.
For the record, the only useful line in Jinraiden about how long Itachi had been sick is this: Reishi, who makes the medicine that Itachi uses, says, "In the past few years [Itachi] had been our only honest customer." ~SnapperTo 20:48, December 1, 2019 (UTC)


Yes, this https://naruto.fandom.com/wiki/Kotar%C5%8D Itachi had been visiting them for years, only in the alst few years he was the only honest customer.

Also there is this "They explain that Itachi visited them once or twice a year, ordered the most potent Kotarō they had and, while he waited for the medicine to be prepared, defended them from the Sendō clan. Itachi, whose body was sick beyond repair, was initially distant with Reishi and Kina, but with time started telling them about Sasuke, speaking of him warmly." FlatZone (talk) 22:35, December 1, 2019 (UTC)


Forgot to add these from the official english volume releases. Itachi was heavily implied to have his disease before coming to Konoha, with him going there to show them that he was still alive.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y3eANiS52mg/XeZgjVaNp_I/AAAAAAAAK4A/u31yFxR7684dIn5SQ3tmLmEfhSdtn1QZQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/007.webp

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4on7CcfXPw4/XeZglJs6ZYI/AAAAAAAAK4c/rzkLgWn7bi4tmQcWHhbIfKeKjli2AkbMQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/014.webp FlatZone (talk) 21:43, March 17, 2020 (UTC)

for him extinguishing Amaterasu, it is said by Zetsu that he did so.

Chapter 390 Page 07-09. FlatZone (talk) 19:35, February 13, 2020 (UTC)

References are more usefully put in the articles themselves, not the articles' talk pages. ~SnapperTo 00:49, February 29, 2020 (UTC)

From the novels

The Itachi novels are based around the manga and not the anime just to point it out to some people.. But onto what I am going to mention here.. Itachi's age was falsified for his Anbu Captain promotion as he was actually promoted a year earlier at age 12 with Danzo wanting him to be a Captain as soon as possible but Hiruzen deemed 11 to be too young for anybody to be leading an Anbu Squad so with that his public age was upped a year on the official records for Anbu stuff so while it is recorded that he was aged 13 upon promotion, he was in actuality a year younger than that. FlatZone (talk) 02:24, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

Please stop posting information that you want in an article on its talk page. If you think something belongs in the article, add it yourself. ~SnapperTo 02:34, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

DUDE I AM TRYING TO GET DELIBERATION ON IT. Some might not agree that it belongs in the article since it was only mentioned in the novels and I am trying to get peoples opinions on it before simply adding it. Because there are some users who like to edit war and throw hissy fits when people add novel things to the pages. FlatZone (talk) 02:48, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

Nobody wants to chime in?? Fine. I will add it to the article. FlatZone (talk) 17:41, May 22, 2020 (UTC)

Obito's statement to himself

"Even Tobi admitted if he didn't keep some secrets from Itachi, he might have been killed by Itachi's trap.[77]"

In the official translated chapter 397, and even in the translations found on Naruto forums.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c4jByg6_gsY/XeZc4-Lv8nI/AAAAAAAAKx8/iDw6JWjvfWYlFjNpnmoXMuZILfyIygVmQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/010.webp

This is what is said in the official translations

WHY would Obito be referring to the trap? Would Itachi magically make his Amaterasu be Izanagi and Kamui proof if he knew Obito's secrets? No. Obito wasn't referring to the trap alone. He was referring to the fact that Itachi would have killed him already if he knew all of Obito's secrets(Izanagi, the workings of Kamui's intangibility). Seriously what would Itachi have changed about the trap? Transcription Seal: NO U and bam Obito's dead?? Logic is seriously not being considered here. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 19:54, October 13, 2020 (UTC)

He's talking about the trap in the panel before that and in both of the panels after that. It would make no sense for him to be talking about something other than the trap. ~SnapperTo 23:08, October 13, 2020 (UTC)
Here is what I am saying though, WHAT would change about the Amaterasu trap if Itachi knew his secrets?? He would still use Izanagi and Kamui. So logically it makes zero sense unless he is saying Itachi would have made a different kind of trap that would have killed him for sure, or that Itachi would have killed him beforehand for sure. Unless you are saying Itachi knowing his secrets would magically make his Amaterasu be omnipotent to Obito and no matter what Obito did it would still kill him and that makes ZERO sense. BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 01:37, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
Your personal opinions about whether or not it would make a difference are irrelevant. He's talking about the trap in that panel, so that's what the article will stick with. ~SnapperTo 06:40, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
I'm not talking about my personal opinion. HOW would that trap have killed Obito? Obito said if Itachi knew his secrets then he himself would be dead. He showed zero doubts of that. So again how would a transcription seal: amaterasu do that to Obito? BloodOfTheArchon (talk) 07:04, October 14, 2020 (UTC)
It is your opinion. You are rejecting the obvious fact that he's talking about Itachi's trap because you don't feel there's any sort of trap Itachi could have used that would have worked. The article's sole responsibility is to document what happens in the series and it is currently doing so with regards to this scene. It is not the wiki's responsibility to reinterpret scenes because one or more users have decided the scene does not make sense. If you want to speculate about ways in which Itachi could have killed Tobi with a trap, or if you want to debate that Tobi is talking about something entirely unrelated, do so on a forum. ~SnapperTo 08:17, October 14, 2020 (UTC)