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== Kenjutsu ==
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== Using Water Release Without a water source ==
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Just cause he's a Water Release user, something we've known since part 1, it doesn't mean he's capable of using water release without water sources. It was just done to get Kabuto to experience the sensation of water dripping.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 06:06, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:Maybe so, but he did still stream the jutsu from his mouth without a nearby water source.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 10:00, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
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::Problem was that was not Itachi. That was Izanami Itachi. It was done for Kabuto to experience the sensation of experiencing a drip on him.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:49, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I see what you're saying, but that still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You're phrasing it as if Izanami Itachi (as funny as that sounds) and reality Itachi are two different beings and I'm simply not seeing it unless there's a DB4 translation that explains in detail how Izanami works. I'll wait for other opinions.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 21:27, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
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:::There's no reason to believe that Izanami Itachi does not have the same abilities as the real Itachi. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:35, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
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Do you mean the water dripping in the cave from that stalactite? it was not Itachi and the dripping sensation was in the time loop of Izanami so.. what does this have to do with water release?--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:47, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
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:Okay I checked it again and I think I got it, anyway the point is he was able to use [[Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique]]--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 18:02, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
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::The point is I don't really think we can say Itachi used Water Dragon without a water source since that wasn't actually Itachi doing it.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 21:16, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Agreed with SnapperTwo. There really isn't any reason at all. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 21:35, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't Itachi's [[kenjutsu]] skills be given a note, which were aptly displayed when he cut off [[Kabuto]]'s horn.[[Special:Contributions/188.140.178.3|188.140.178.3]] ([[User talk:188.140.178.3|talk]]) 20:32, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
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== Hero or Villain ==
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Does the 4th DB state if Itachi's name was ever cleared or did he remain in official history as a criminal?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:59, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
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:Since nobody knows that he was the reason Edo Tensei was disabled, I would guess a villain. But, in our hearts at least, he is "A Hero from within the shadows", a fitting title for an ANBU, don't you agree?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 16:11, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
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::I like that @omojuze lel. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 16:44, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think he has mastery with all ninja tools/weapons in general ... after all, ANBU wear Katanas and Uchiha are skilled in that area :P --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:52, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
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== Izanami sealed Itachi's Susanoo use. ==
   
Besides ability sections are only created when a character either uses an ability on a regular basis or displays unusual variations of such. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:10, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
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His spirit retained the damage Izanami made to his eye, robbing him of one of his Mangekyo. Without two Mangekyo, Susanoo can't be manifested. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back, he'd be unable to use Susanoo.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:04, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
:A note possibly. Not that what he did to Kabuto's horn would warrant that note but since he's an Anbu he was more than likely trained in kenjutsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:17, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
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:Itachi's two eyes are in Sasuke's possesion now so? and he used Izanami in edo tensei form, also Madara was able to use Susanoo without eyes, this could mean the eyes are not required at all after first activation of two mangekyou but that's just speculation on my part. Also there are instances where Itachi didn't activate Mangekyou while using Susanoo. I think the point you were adding is irrelevant in the article, we write down what has happened in manga, we can't say for sure what will happen, if he were brought back and if we see his one eye white we could assume that he is not capable of using it but that doesn't happen look at Madara.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 19:38, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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:: Then why did his spirit still possess the same handicap when Edo Tensei was cancelled? Madara's eyes still physically existed, they weren't destroyed or sealed, so he could use them to create his Susanoo from afar. Those are art errors for Itachi that were corrected in the tankobon releases, Mecha Naruto. The manga made it clear, two Mangekyo are needed to awaken and maintain Susanoo, take away one of those Mangekyo permanently, no more Susanoo. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back he'd be unable to use Susanoo. It was the sacrifice that was needed to defeat Kabuto.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:47, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::: His spirit? The source you mentioned (chapter 591 page 1, if I'm not mistaken) doesn't clearly show if his spirit still has the left eye blind. In the panel at the top, Itachi is still in his Edo Tensei body. The lower left panel of the same page is the one that shows Itachi's soul ascending, and it's a little too far to see his left eye clearly (in the anime, both of his eyes weren't blind in that instance). But all of this is a "maybe" and "who knows": speculative.--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA20]]19:59, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Question; how does any of this affect Itschi's article? —[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:11, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Itachi_Uchiha?diff=1047692 SSM tried adding it to the article.] From this and other edits, I get the sense he uses the wiki to settle debates he has elsewhere. If so, I ask he stop doing that. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 15:55, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
   
Itachi hasn't done enough with a sword to warrant a section. Swinging a sword once and cutting off a horn isn't notable.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 21:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
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== Image ==
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Sarutobii2 recently [[:File:Itachi.png|uploaded a new picture]] for Itachi and I'm actually liking the new one better. Should we use it in the infobox? --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 10:46, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:I think its far better. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 10:59, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::Yeah, this one's better in my opinion.--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 11:17, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:::The lack of active Sharingan bothers me. Itachi had them active pretty much all the time. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 14:52, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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I like it a lot, but there is 2 problems.. one is that he is 15 here... and the other is like Omnibender says.. Itachi almost has his Sharingan activated 24/7 and it is not activated here. [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 16:01, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:A picture of his Sharingan is already on the article, so it's not really necessary to have the infobox prominently feature it imo. Sasuke was shown with a Sharingan active most of the time in Shippuden, yet his ibox picture has a pic with them not active. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:10, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::Sasuke wasn't shown with his Sharingan active nearly as much as Itachi. Sasuke usually has them active during fights, but not during idle times, unlike Itachi. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:15, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Do we really need an infobox picture of him with his Sharingan active in the infobox though?--[[User:Minamoto15|Mina]] [[Image:Hatake Symbol.svg|20px]] <small><sup> [[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Minamoto15|contribs]]</sup></small> 17:34, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::For most Uchiha, we have their infobox picture with their regular eyes. The only known exceptions are ones like Shisui and Izuna, who were never shown with their Sharingan deactivated. --[[User:NeedleJizo|Jizo 悟]] ([[User talk:NeedleJizo|talk]]) 17:35, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Because that's how they were shown most of the time. With Itachi, most to the time it was with active Sharingan. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:48, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Madara was shown with an active Sharingan/Rinnegan almost exclusively (outside of flashbacks), yet his infobox picture shows him without them. --[[User:NeedleJizo|Jizo 悟]] ([[User talk:NeedleJizo|talk]]) 00:11, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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Jizo is right. just add it then guys. [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 00:34, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:And unlike Itachi, most of Madara's images had something that got in the way, be it angle, lighting, expression, forehead protector, you pick. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Itachi's current image that would require a new one, in my opinion. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:48, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::I prefer the proposed image and i would argue that Itachi with his regular eyes has been seen more when you add up all the countless flashbacks with him and Sasuke in Konoha. --[[User:Bio havik|Bio havik]] ([[User talk:Bio havik|talk]]) 02:54, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I agree that Kishimoto does like his flashbacks, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Itachi has appeared more without Sharingan on their account. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:48, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::::I believe that one was in the lineup when we were deciding on changing it before. Is it possible to get a better quality of the one that we currently have? It shows his Sharingan and "personality" lest we end up with another cast-eyed Mū or evil-looking Gengetsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:52, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::I support changing images to the one SuperSajuuk is proposing. --[[User:Sarada Uzumaki|Sarada Uzumaki]] ([[User talk:Sarada Uzumaki|talk]]) 23:58, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
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The original image is far more detailed. What exactly is there to prefer? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 22:23, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
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:The better question is why did you change it back despite being aware of this discussion about changing it in the first place? Majority prefers the new image. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 22:33, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
   
He massacred the whole clan using a sword "_" --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:40, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
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I wasn't aware of it at all. I assumed it was another random user uploading and replacing images in an Uchiha character's infobox, which as you know was/is a common occurrence. I posted here after the edit, which you can see in the timestamp. --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 22:51, June 15, 2015 (UTC)
 
:Deva, have you completely forgotten about the Uchiha Clan Massacre?! He used a damn sword there! --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] ([[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]]) 21:43, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I agree we should include it. [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 10:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:What exactly would be added there? We know nothing of how he killed the members of the Uchiha clan using a sword with the exception of his parents and that's still a lot left to speculate there. There were also a ton of kunai and shuriken at the scene of the Massacre. All we've seen him do is block Kabuto's chakra scalpel with the sword. None of this is enough to give him his own section on kenjutsu.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:05, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Method of defeating the Edo Tensei ==
 
 
It is said in the intelligence section of Itachi's article it is written that "he seems to have found a method to defeat the [[Impure World Reincarnation]] altogether." But it was simply forcing the user to stop the technique. Either write as "he deduced a method" or remove it completely.[[Special:Contributions/37.41.182.143|37.41.182.143]] ([[User talk:37.41.182.143|talk]]) 11:48, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
"Itachi appears to have deduced a method of <s>defeating</s> countering the [[Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation]]"
 
That is what was there prior to your post.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:53, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Nigete nigete... ==
 
 
Is there a translation by ShounenSuki of Itachi's (imo coolest) words? Because the one in the article doesn't look correct to me... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:"Forgive me Sasuke… …It ends with this." ?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:26, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::No no, the nigete-stuff. About Sasuke living a wretched life and all. It should be in the citate section, I think. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:42, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Uhm. I looked... and I don't see what you're talking about. o.o --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:48, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I mean the words he said to his brother after he killed his clan. ABout how Sasuke is not worth killing and should live a life in hate and such. It's in the text about Itachi's past, but not in the quotes-section. And it seems odd to me. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:02, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::Oh. Though it'd been much easier if you just pasted the quote ( '-') y u no paste? If there isn't kanji and such with the quote it's unlikely it was gotten from Shounensuki.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:06, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::I was too lazy, sorry^^ But thanks, I think I'll ask him to translate it if he ever comes back~ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:20, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::::I'll leave the door on the latch, if you ever come back, if you ever come back♫ T_T. I've been meaning to reference his quotes for a while now either way.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:22, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Here are the Kanji and rōmaji, if you need them: 貴様など…殺す価値も無い。…愚かなる弟よ……。このオレを殺したくば、恨め!憎め!そして みにくく生きのびるがいい………。…逃げて逃げて…生にしがみつくがいい。, ''Kisama nado… Korosu kachi mo nai. …Orokanaru otōto yo…… Kono ore o koroshitakuba, urame! Nikume! Soshite, minikuku ikinobiru ga ii……… …Nigete nigete… Sei ni shigamitsuku ga ii.'' :) [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:30, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Done.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:41, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Izanagi ==
 
 
I think we should include Izanagi to Uchiha Itachi Jutsu because The Uchiha, descended from the Sage, are able to perform Izanagi with their Sharingan. and He reached the point where he could even make use of one of the Uchiha clan's ultimate dōjutsu, Izanami, and had knowledge of its counterpart, Izanagi. what to you think guys? [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 10:55, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No. He's never used it.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:06, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
@ Cerez365 Yes my friend he never seen used it because he dont have to. but the knowledge in the jutsu of Izanami to counter Izanagi and the details in explaining inch by inch say he can do the jutsu as explained to manga 587. there for he can also use it so we must include it to uchiha itachi jutsu. [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 12:54, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:It is more than likely that he can use it. Just as how it is more than likely that every Sharingan-wielder can use Izanagi and Izanami. However, Itachi has never '''used''' the technique only spoken about it so he cannot be listed as a user. Information that was more than likely passed down through the clan.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
By this logic, we would have to list Sasuke Uchiha as a user of Izanagi too because he essentially knows the ins and outs of the technique. Just because a user knows the technique and how it works doesn't mean it is a part of their arsenal. Besides that, I believe the site has a very strict "we have to see it to believe it" policy when it comes to adding techniques to lists. [[User:Gojinn|Gojinn]] ([[User talk:Gojinn|talk]]) 00:06, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I believe to be able to use the Izanagi the wielder needs both Uchiha(which of course he has) and Senju DNA. and I dont think it says anywhere that Itachi has Senju DNA. [[Special:Contributions/71.48.214.128|71.48.214.128]] ([[User talk:71.48.214.128|talk]]) 13:11, June 4, 2012 (UTC) NaruFan
 
 
== Kotoamatsukami ==
 
 
i think we should also include this to itachi's jutsu as explained to manga 587. [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 12:56, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:He meant use it on Sasuke in the same manner he used it on himself, through his crow. It still only makes him an indirect user of the technique.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:57, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Quote - 587 ==
 
 
I think we should add his quote to Sasuke asserting his imperfection, that was a good one :P [[User talk:Aditya sasuke|'''akz!''']] [[File:ANBU Symbol.svg|10px]] 16:44, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Moniker revisited ==
 
 
I know that people can generally call themselves [village's] and their name but Itachi insists on calling himself that on more than one occasions. So I think it might actually be a moniker granted that what he called himself the first time and as of chapter 588 are the same thing. Thoughts? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Well, he did kill his whole clan to save the leaf village so I'm sure he would want to be known as a konoha ninja. It seems a little overdone to me to call him that, like if we called Sasuke 'avenger' just because that's what he calls himself, you know? [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 23:26, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Ah, but it's all in the way they say it. The way Sasuke says it isn't "I'm Avenger", Itachi's called himself "Konoha's Itachi Uchiha" twice. There seems to be meaning behind it to me at least.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:45, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
@Cerez365 ??!!? {{unsigned|222.127.46.146}}
 
:It's all about the way things are said. Sasuke said he was <u>an</u> avenger not [the] "avenger". One's a classification the other can be used as a moniker. But never mind this as Itachi refers to himself as "Konoha's Itachi Uchiha" in one instance and then "Konohagakure's Itachi Uchiha" so since it's not fixed then it isn't really moniker notable.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:25, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Blind? ==
 
 
At the time of Itachi's death his eyesight was very poor, in fact he could barely see at all. But Impure World Resurrection is supposed to endlessly regenerate the body. Does that include eyesight? If so, when Itachi uses Izanami, does his eye even lose sight at all? And even if it did couldn't he destroy the eye altogether and let it regenerate? And if he could do that then what's to stop the resurrected Madara from using Izanagi/Izanami as many times as he wants? Anyway, not expecting any answers, just throwing ideas around. [[Special:Contributions/76.197.13.64|76.197.13.64]] ([[User talk:76.197.13.64|talk]]) 18:56, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Edo Tensei is suppose to resurrect someone the exact same way they were before they died (Which is why Nagato looked older). Apparently Itachi wasn't quite as blind as we thought. As for jutsus, they still affect the dead body the same way they would have if they were alive so Itachi will stay blind in that one eye. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 19:08, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
::It is possible that was was happening to Itachi was just temporary from the extended use. Kinda like severe eye-strain somewhat like what Neji went through just that with them, it get's terrible and then better, but doesn't go back to being perfect. It's really one of those things that Kishimoto would have to answer. As for using Izanagi and Izanami, Itachi's eye is still blind, I don't think that would change even if the eye was destroyed and regenerated, that doesn't make the eye brand new just reverts it to the state it was in prior to being destroyed. Or else Nagato could've destroyed his legs and got new ones.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:57, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
You guys do realize that Edos are still susceptible to the drawbacks of their own techniques, right? Mū and his Splitting and Capt'n Awesome and his Steamboy are examples. There's no doubt this would be for keeps. Edo Tensei only regenerates physical blows anyway, as in destroyed body parts. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 06:01, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Legacy section ==
 
 
since Itachi came back as a character for reals, shouldn't the Legacy section be integrated before the World War section?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:10, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No. Edo Tensei is essentially a temporary resurrection. It only binds hiis soul to the Impure World so long as the technique is active. It doesn't change the fact that Itachi is still dead and his body is decaying. Plus he's about to end the technique. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 05:58, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Genjutsu Abilities ==
 
 
Genjutsu abilities under skills section. I see Ninjutsu and Taijutsu prowess but not genjutsu. Seems strange seeing as how he's the most proficient genjutsu user in the series.{{unsigned|12.53.193.5}}
 
:That information should be present under his [[Sharingan]] section. No use repeating the same information twice.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:28, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Infobox Image ==
 
 
I think Itachi Uchiha Infobox needs a new, and refurbished image. I don't think the current image is a very good image. [[User:WeAreTheAkatsuki|WeAreTheAkatsuki]] ([[User talk:WeAreTheAkatsuki|talk]]) 21:57, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Why? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:01, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
::No reason whatsoever to change it. Unless you can find a suitable image to use from the original Naruto that would suffice, then post it here but the image won't change. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:02, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Below-Average Chakra Levels ==
 
 
Where does it say that he had below-average chakra levels? It used to say that I know but someone got rid of it thankfully. Honestly the reason he had below-average chakra levels was because of his illness. It was never stated in the manga or anime though so why did people put it in the first place instead of just "his illness"?--[[User:BlackGhost91|BlackGhost91]] ([[User talk:BlackGhost91|talk]]) 02:55, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Look at his stats, 2.5 for stamina ... that's really low, especially for Jounin level or in his case even higher. We don't know if it was due to his illness or not (unless manga or databook stated as such) but if you compare it to Ninja around his age and skill, he really has below average chakra levels. Kakashi was directly stated to have low stamina, and he has 3 ^_^ --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:31, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I kinda agree with BlackGhost. There's never been an "average" for stamina ever stated. Kurenai is a jōnin and her stamina level is 2 yet her article doesn't state that she has "below-average" levels of stamina. I don't think it's important that it's mentioned that it's below average since it's more than likely a direct cause of his illness. Take Hiruzen for example, only his physical-related stats have waned since his old age (well that's me assuming). Also Itachi's rank is ANBU.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:53, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Kakashi was noted to have low stamina and he is 3. That's the only reason I wrote the above :P And that's not an assumption, since stats can increase by training - they can wane by advanced age ... what supports this is the statement that Hiruzen's chakra level has dropped ... maybe he had 5/5 in his prime. Also I was talking about Itachi as a Jounin power wise ... Naruto and Sasuke are almost/if not more Kage level and they are technically genin--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:22, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
: However, what they are stating, and making a very valid point at, is that there is not an "average" chakra level ever demonstrated in the series. Each character has varying degrees of chakra and the databooks are so far apart that the stats are rarely an accurate portrayal of the character's abilities beyond the point in the manga the databook in question covers. In fact, your statement itself is contradictory. You say that Itachi has low chakra for an "average" Jōnin, however, the only other Jōnin that has really had his chakra commented on in great detail is Kakashi and his was also low. Chakra is not bigger or otherwise just because a person is a certain rank, as shown by both Naruto and Sasuke. There is no "average" chakra for a certain rank, or for ninja in general. Chakra levels are unique to the ninja in question and his or her abilities. Rewording the statement to saying "Itachi has unusually low chakra", with a few examples following, removes the below-average statement while acknowledging that Itachi does, in fact, have low chakra. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 10:20, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, what you said. EDIT: Sasuke was stated to have more chakra and mastery for a genin of his age for example. Not rank-wise but power-wise, Itachi was Kage level or more, and 2.5 is still low chakra level when compared to Kakashi's 3 that's also low--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:21, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Currently, the whole "low stamina" thing on the page is a non-sequitor. It's a stand-alone sentence that doesn't fit with the rest of the paragraph. Can someone add in examples from the manga? Also, correlation does not mean causation. It is very possible Itachi has naturally low stamina, even without the disease. Also, instead of using the databooks to compare between two shinobi, I think it is better to compare their stats relative to themselves. That said, a 2.5 standing among 4s and 5s is worth noting.--[[User:Formerly140|Formerly140]] ([[User talk:Formerly140|talk]]) 20:27, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Like I've tried to explain before, illness is always directly correlated with low "energy" or stamina if you will especially one that is terminal. Stamina as we've seen, is something that can be expanded/increased through training, case in point Kakashi Hatake. I don't know why, in this specific case, people would believe that the two are totally unrelated.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:35, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
::If one notices his battles, he doesn't last much long...the fact that up to three uses of his MS left him in the gutter, in terms of stamina/chakra, stands to point the Itachi's (sole) weak point is his chakra levels, which while i agree to the whole removal of ''below average stamina'' it's a fact that from what was shown Itachi isn't capable of going on a long duration fight. Now we don't know when he contracted his disease or how much he was affected but chakra-wise, in terms of amount/power is his Aquille's Heel. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:45, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Kakashi is an interesting example. He has naturally low stamina, right? But he also has a sharingan that's constantly sucking away at his chakra. Can we say Kakashi ONLY has low stamina, because of the sharingan? No. Likewise, with Itachi, I'm very sure the disease has some effect on Itachi's stamina, along with his strength, speed/reflexes, etc, etc. I'm never saying his disease is unrelated with his abilities. I'm simply saying, you may be overlooking the fact that even without a disease making his stamina low, it may be naturally low to begin with. [[User:Formerly140|Formerly140]] ([[User talk:Formerly140|talk]]) 20:46, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
::But here's the thing or things: first due to him being a non-Uchiha, Kakashi's Shraingan sucks up even more chakra than it would on an Uchiha, which was noted that with enough training was negilable. Maybe his stamina/chakra is mediocre but his sharingan is or was a major factor to it. Itachi on the other hand, due to the fact that the details of his illness are non-existant, we don't how much he was affected by it. Maybe your right, maybe not, but the fact is that the details are few and far-between. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:58, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Not naturally low or low at all. We don't know what kind of stamina Kakashi had except that he says it's not anywhere on Sasuke or Naruto's level. However he was able to train or whatever and is now able to use the Sharingan related techniques for extended periods of time. That being said, there is no way for us to know whether or not he would have low stamina sans the illness, because simply put, he was ill so it cannot be counted as a non-factor. To address the recent post, how do you know it isn't a case where people who wield dōjutsu just naturally have more chakra to wield the eye? Because that's never been explained to us, and I don't know whether or not the eye recognises "my host is not an Uchiha, so i'll suck more chakra from them to work".--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:04, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::Well at least that's what's stated in Kakashi's page, that due to the fact that he is not of Uchiha blood, his Sharingan costs him more chakra to use, plus i do remember a similar mention in the earlier chapters of the series. It does make sense since he's wielding a KK that's not natural to him so he's bound to deal with some backlash. Now in regards to Itachi, it's what i've said before, given how we don't know when or how he contracted his disease or the full extent of the symptoms we don't know if his stamina was low before or due to it, only that his is lower than most other characters. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:15, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::: Yes, we don't know if Itachi has naturally low stamina, but it IS a possibility. And I think saying "he has low stamina" is much more neutral and unbiased than saying "his low stamina was a result of his illness." That makes me think Itachi would have a 5 in stamina if he didn't have an illness. He may very well have a 3.5 or a 4 in stamina without the disease, which, relative to himself, is still low. Another reason I don't want a causal link between his stats and his disease is that then we can argue his other stats are affected by the disease as well. Such as, "his 4.5 in taijutsu and 3.5 in strength are also a result of his illness, and thus should be much higher." [[User:Formerly140|Formerly140]] ([[User talk:Formerly140|talk]]) 21:20, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Chapter 590==
 
 
Just a question: did he really called "Madara" by the name of Tobi? If so, that means he doesn't believe Tobi is Madara Uchiha like he said before fighting Sasuke? [[User:Rubião|Rubião]] ([[User talk:Rubião|talk]]) 23:46, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
In the translation I read he never said his name at all. He just said that he knew about him and that he knew he wanted revenge against the Uchiha clan. -[[User:EriHonjo|EriHonjo]] ([[User talk:EriHonjo|talk]]) 11:16, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
No. In the translation I read Itachi said "Tobi". This was right before he showed his memory to Sasuke. --[[User:Rubião|Rubião]] ([[User talk:Rubião|talk]]) 20:21, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
That's a wrong translation. They met for the first time in that scene, there is no way in the hell he could know his "name" at that point--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:36, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The only mention of the name "Tobi" that I saw was when Itachi said "Tobi and Danzō were right". And no that doesn't have to mean that he believes Tobi isn't Madara. It could have just become force of habit but we never know. Itachi was brilliant after all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:48, June 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Editing Itachi's page? ==
 
 
When in the editing page, a notification came up that said Itachi's page was locked and I may not be able to edit it? Are only certain people allowed to edit his page or something? -[[User:EriHonjo|EriHonjo]] ([[User talk:EriHonjo|talk]]) 11:19, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Only registered users can edit the page, you should be able to edit. -[[User:White Flash|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''White Flash'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:White Flash|<span style="font-size:90%; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]- 11:25, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
::Ok! Thanks so much!! :) -[[User:EriHonjo|EriHonjo]] ([[User talk:EriHonjo|talk]]) 11:29, June 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Nature Type ==
 
 
What happen to Itachi's Nature Type box? I dont see anything on it. is it an error? [[User:Slayersimon|Slayersimon]] ([[User talk:Slayersimon|talk]]) 11:54, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
its a bug.[[Special:Contributions/71.71.58.224|71.71.58.224]] ([[User talk:71.71.58.224|talk]]) 12:33, July 5, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
 
 
==New Image==
 
I think this picture is better than the current one File:V.jpg --[[User:Azed|Azed]] ([[User talk:Azed|talk]]) 03:28, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:No, there's nothing wrong with the current one. -[[User:White Flash|<span style="color: #B0C4DE;">'''''White Flash'''''</span>]]-[[User talk:White Flash|<span style="font-size:90%; color: #B0C4DE">(Talk)</span>]]-
 
::Azed... What has Itachi ever done to you that was so bad?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:51, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Cerez, that was really rude of you and it wasn't called for.
 
:::I agree we need a newish image but I don't have any of the DVD's with me to check for a better image. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:23, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
With the exception that he is facing the wrong way, (left instead of right) I see nothing that requires action.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:24, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Oh dear, I hope you didn't take my comment the wrong way Azed, I was going for more of a [http://www.wackybuttons.com/designcodes/110/1102400.jpg whyyy thing] because the image looks so off-putting to me at least. Any way, I agree with the former, and see no issue with the image currently in his infobox, he looks absolutely regal v_v --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]
 
 
== crow kararimi ==
 
itachi uses some kind of technique in the games that turns him into a swarm of crows and then these crows gather forming his body again..could that be some kind of replacement or clone technique ?--[[Special:Contributions/177.33.242.192|177.33.242.192]] ([[User talk:177.33.242.192|talk]]) 01:44, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:If for real, Crow Clone Technique, if not, just regular genjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:57, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== What's the point of this? ==
 
 
"Despite his own impressive abilities, Itachi never underestimated his opponents, given his praise of Jiraiya,[32] in which he noted to Kisame that if they fought him, they would either die or end in a tie." Shouldn't this be in the Personality section? It has nothing to do with Itachi's abilities. I mean, at this point we all know why Itachi said that. To protect the Leaf Village and its strongest Shinobi (Jiraiya).--{{unsigned|77.46.229.154}}
 
 
:* He was praised about his abilities by a Sanin- canon source of praise
 
:* Can fit into both personality and abilities- shows he's not overconfident
 
:* Not going to answer that last part because it's speculation that will lead to a never-ending discussion
 
:* Sign your posts.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:30, December 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Root==
 
Since he was commanded by [[Danzō Shimura|Danzō]] himself, doesn't that mean that [[Itachi Uchiha]] was a member of [[Root]].?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 19:28, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think so, no. The series specifically stated that Itachi was a member of ANBU, which are under the direct control of the Hokage. Itachi and Danzō's meeting was in secrecy, wasn't it? He threatened Itachi and all that such, forcing Itachi to make a choice, if I remember correctly.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 19:32, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Not that we know of--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:01, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Abilities ==
 
I changed abilities back to incredibly powerful instead of just powerful. as lesser characters as stated in the manga (orochimaru admitting itachi is stronger) are described as being being extremely or very powerful.
 
 
it's only fair {{unsigned|Seretonin}}
 
 
All of which is already accounted for without the extra adjective. If Itachi's overall skills were less known, then it might be the case, but his skills have been quite detailed. Adding fluff when there's an already adequate amount of info will only make it look there's bias in the article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:36, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Again orochimaru who has showcased all of his skills both defeated and admitted he was weaker has the extra adjective. the same goes for kakazu who was pushed to his limits who gets a "very" and sasori again who gets an 'extremely' so the bias argument isn't valid as it was sated nagato and itachi were the strongest in madara's army.
 
 
also note i didn't add the adjective it was there before i just put it back.
 
{{unsigned|Seretonin}}
 
 
:I don't understand. If it can go for one like Itachi, why not go (or not) for everyone else. For me, it's either you add the extra adjective or you don't for everyone because each of those characters, mentioned directly or not, are ''extremely'' powerful.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:58, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I think my unease in adding adjectives to Itachi comes from those lengthy debates about his skill in regards to his illness, and the mythic wars I've seen on Itachi and Jiraiya. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Which is completley your problem, wiki readers should not have to suffer for your hang up, the 'extrodinarley' powerful orochimaru was still one paneled by a sick itachi.[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 11:46, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
The only "extremely" powerful individuals are close-to-impossible-to-beat, like Madara for example. Powerful by itself means someone is very strong. From the dialogue, Itachi and Jiraiya were strong alike. But Itachi defeated Orochimaru, Orochimaru defeated Jiraiya, Nagato also defeated Jiraiya... you get the point. It's better to remove "an extremely" to avoid "versus" wars because such comparisons are hard to and shouldn't be made.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 02:43, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:sasori was 'extremely' powerful until i changed it. Orochimaru never defeated jiraya in the manga.[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 11:46, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
::You're quantifying a person's strength in the wrong way. Despite the fact that Orochimaru was "one-panelled" as you called it, that does not detract from the fact that he was an immensely powerful shinobi. In fact as I said before '''all''' the characters that have that adjective added to their articles have displayed immense power or what not. That is why I said, it's either we keep it for all of them, or none of them at all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:49, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::It would be easier to add it to Itachi rather than removing from everywhere.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:51, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Well, Itachi INDEED was immensely powerful (he even stated to be the one to surpass Madara) but hinted that Jiraiya was equal to him, but then again, Jiraiya was inferior to Orochimaru and Orochimaru inferior to Itachi, so it kinda makes no sense. So the best way is to leave the word alone in most cases--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:57, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: Jiraya never once was stated to be weaker or infereior than Orochimaru. and according to Kabuto every thing itachi said before his death was a lie. however orochimaru did directly state itachi was stronger then him being the only legitimate hype in your post[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 21:08, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I believe we should get as close to fanservicing our characters as possible without o/ding or distorting information so I'd be all for that. Each character's abilities section, to me at least, should read like we're handing them an award. At least when possible.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:58, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Sounds familiar (isn't that what I said?) ;) '''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:10, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:: and at that note i'm changing it back[[User:Seretonin|Seretonin]] ([[User talk:Seretonin|talk]]) 21:08, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Using Water Release Without a water source Edit

Just cause he's a Water Release user, something we've known since part 1, it doesn't mean he's capable of using water release without water sources. It was just done to get Kabuto to experience the sensation of water dripping.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:06, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe so, but he did still stream the jutsu from his mouth without a nearby water source.--Minamoto15 (talk) 10:00, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Problem was that was not Itachi. That was Izanami Itachi. It was done for Kabuto to experience the sensation of experiencing a drip on him.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:49, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
I see what you're saying, but that still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You're phrasing it as if Izanami Itachi (as funny as that sounds) and reality Itachi are two different beings and I'm simply not seeing it unless there's a DB4 translation that explains in detail how Izanami works. I'll wait for other opinions.--Minamoto15 (talk) 21:27, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
There's no reason to believe that Izanami Itachi does not have the same abilities as the real Itachi. ~SnapperTo 17:35, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean the water dripping in the cave from that stalactite? it was not Itachi and the dripping sensation was in the time loop of Izanami so.. what does this have to do with water release?--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:47, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay I checked it again and I think I got it, anyway the point is he was able to use Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique--Mecha Naruto (talk) 18:02, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
The point is I don't really think we can say Itachi used Water Dragon without a water source since that wasn't actually Itachi doing it.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 21:16, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
Agreed with SnapperTwo. There really isn't any reason at all. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 21:35, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hero or Villain Edit

Does the 4th DB state if Itachi's name was ever cleared or did he remain in official history as a criminal?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:59, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Since nobody knows that he was the reason Edo Tensei was disabled, I would guess a villain. But, in our hearts at least, he is "A Hero from within the shadows", a fitting title for an ANBU, don't you agree?--Omojuze (talk) 16:11, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
I like that @omojuze lel. Munchvtec (talk) 16:44, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Izanami sealed Itachi's Susanoo use. Edit

His spirit retained the damage Izanami made to his eye, robbing him of one of his Mangekyo. Without two Mangekyo, Susanoo can't be manifested. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back, he'd be unable to use Susanoo.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:04, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Itachi's two eyes are in Sasuke's possesion now so? and he used Izanami in edo tensei form, also Madara was able to use Susanoo without eyes, this could mean the eyes are not required at all after first activation of two mangekyou but that's just speculation on my part. Also there are instances where Itachi didn't activate Mangekyou while using Susanoo. I think the point you were adding is irrelevant in the article, we write down what has happened in manga, we can't say for sure what will happen, if he were brought back and if we see his one eye white we could assume that he is not capable of using it but that doesn't happen look at Madara.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 19:38, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
Then why did his spirit still possess the same handicap when Edo Tensei was cancelled? Madara's eyes still physically existed, they weren't destroyed or sealed, so he could use them to create his Susanoo from afar. Those are art errors for Itachi that were corrected in the tankobon releases, Mecha Naruto. The manga made it clear, two Mangekyo are needed to awaken and maintain Susanoo, take away one of those Mangekyo permanently, no more Susanoo. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back he'd be unable to use Susanoo. It was the sacrifice that was needed to defeat Kabuto.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:47, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
His spirit? The source you mentioned (chapter 591 page 1, if I'm not mistaken) doesn't clearly show if his spirit still has the left eye blind. In the panel at the top, Itachi is still in his Edo Tensei body. The lower left panel of the same page is the one that shows Itachi's soul ascending, and it's a little too far to see his left eye clearly (in the anime, both of his eyes weren't blind in that instance). But all of this is a "maybe" and "who knows": speculative.--JOA2019:59, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
Question; how does any of this affect Itschi's article? —Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 15:11, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
SSM tried adding it to the article. From this and other edits, I get the sense he uses the wiki to settle debates he has elsewhere. If so, I ask he stop doing that. ~SnapperTo 15:55, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Image Edit

Sarutobii2 recently uploaded a new picture for Itachi and I'm actually liking the new one better. Should we use it in the infobox? --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:46, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

I think its far better. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 10:59, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, this one's better in my opinion.--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 11:17, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
The lack of active Sharingan bothers me. Itachi had them active pretty much all the time. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:52, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

I like it a lot, but there is 2 problems.. one is that he is 15 here... and the other is like Omnibender says.. Itachi almost has his Sharingan activated 24/7 and it is not activated here. QuakingStar (talk) 16:01, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

A picture of his Sharingan is already on the article, so it's not really necessary to have the infobox prominently feature it imo. Sasuke was shown with a Sharingan active most of the time in Shippuden, yet his ibox picture has a pic with them not active. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:10, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Sasuke wasn't shown with his Sharingan active nearly as much as Itachi. Sasuke usually has them active during fights, but not during idle times, unlike Itachi. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:15, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Do we really need an infobox picture of him with his Sharingan active in the infobox though?--Mina Hatake Symbol talk | contribs 17:34, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
For most Uchiha, we have their infobox picture with their regular eyes. The only known exceptions are ones like Shisui and Izuna, who were never shown with their Sharingan deactivated. --Jizo 悟 (talk) 17:35, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Because that's how they were shown most of the time. With Itachi, most to the time it was with active Sharingan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:48, June 2, 2015 (UTC)
Madara was shown with an active Sharingan/Rinnegan almost exclusively (outside of flashbacks), yet his infobox picture shows him without them. --Jizo 悟 (talk) 00:11, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Jizo is right. just add it then guys. QuakingStar (talk) 00:34, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

And unlike Itachi, most of Madara's images had something that got in the way, be it angle, lighting, expression, forehead protector, you pick. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Itachi's current image that would require a new one, in my opinion. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:48, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
I prefer the proposed image and i would argue that Itachi with his regular eyes has been seen more when you add up all the countless flashbacks with him and Sasuke in Konoha. --Bio havik (talk) 02:54, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
I agree that Kishimoto does like his flashbacks, but I wouldn't go as far as saying Itachi has appeared more without Sharingan on their account. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:48, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
I believe that one was in the lineup when we were deciding on changing it before. Is it possible to get a better quality of the one that we currently have? It shows his Sharingan and "personality" lest we end up with another cast-eyed Mū or evil-looking Gengetsu.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:52, June 3, 2015 (UTC)
I support changing images to the one SuperSajuuk is proposing. --Sarada Uzumaki (talk) 23:58, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

The original image is far more detailed. What exactly is there to prefer? --Mandon (talk) 22:23, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

The better question is why did you change it back despite being aware of this discussion about changing it in the first place? Majority prefers the new image. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 22:33, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of it at all. I assumed it was another random user uploading and replacing images in an Uchiha character's infobox, which as you know was/is a common occurrence. I posted here after the edit, which you can see in the timestamp. --Mandon (talk) 22:51, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

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