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Using Water Release Without a water source

Just cause he's a Water Release user, something we've known since part 1, it doesn't mean he's capable of using water release without water sources. It was just done to get Kabuto to experience the sensation of water dripping.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 06:06, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Maybe so, but he did still stream the jutsu from his mouth without a nearby water source.--Minamoto15 (talk) 10:00, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Problem was that was not Itachi. That was Izanami Itachi. It was done for Kabuto to experience the sensation of experiencing a drip on him.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:49, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but that still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You're phrasing it as if Izanami Itachi (as funny as that sounds) and reality Itachi are two different beings and I'm simply not seeing it unless there's a DB4 translation that explains in detail how Izanami works. I'll wait for other opinions.--Minamoto15 (talk) 21:27, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

There's no reason to believe that Izanami Itachi does not have the same abilities as the real Itachi. ~Snapper T o 17:35, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Do you mean the water dripping in the cave from that stalactite? it was not Itachi and the dripping sensation was in the time loop of Izanami so.. what does this have to do with water release?--Mecha Naruto (talk) 17:47, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Okay I checked it again and I think I got it, anyway the point is he was able to use Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique--Mecha Naruto (talk) 18:02, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

The point is I don't really think we can say Itachi used Water Dragon without a water source since that wasn't actually Itachi doing it.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 21:16, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed with SnapperTwo. There really isn't any reason at all. ★WindStar7125

21:35, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Hero or Villain

Does the 4th DB state if Itachi's name was ever cleared or did he remain in official history as a criminal?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 15:59, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Since nobody knows that he was the reason Edo Tensei was disabled, I would guess a villain. But, in our hearts at least, he is "A Hero from within the shadows", a fitting title for an ANBU, don't you agree?--Omojuze (talk) 16:11, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

I like that @omojuze lel. Munchvtec (talk) 16:44, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Izanami sealed Itachi's Susanoo use.

His spirit retained the damage Izanami made to his eye, robbing him of one of his Mangekyo. Without two Mangekyo, Susanoo can't be manifested. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back, he'd be unable to use Susanoo.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:04, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Itachi's two eyes are in Sasuke's possesion now so? and he used Izanami in edo tensei form, also Madara was able to use Susanoo without eyes, this could mean the eyes are not required at all after first activation of two mangekyou but that's just speculation on my part. Also there are instances where Itachi didn't activate Mangekyou while using Susanoo. I think the point you were adding is irrelevant in the article, we write down what has happened in manga, we can't say for sure what will happen, if he were brought back and if we see his one eye white we could assume that he is not capable of using it but that doesn't happen look at Madara.--Mecha Naruto (talk) 19:38, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Then why did his spirit still possess the same handicap when Edo Tensei was cancelled? Madara's eyes still physically existed, they weren't destroyed or sealed, so he could use them to create his Susanoo from afar. Those are art errors for Itachi that were corrected in the tankobon releases, Mecha Naruto. The manga made it clear, two Mangekyo are needed to awaken and maintain Susanoo, take away one of those Mangekyo permanently, no more Susanoo. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back he'd be unable to use Susanoo. It was the sacrifice that was needed to defeat Kabuto.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 19:47, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

His spirit? The source you mentioned (chapter 591 page 1, if I'm not mistaken) doesn't clearly show if his spirit still has the left eye blind. In the panel at the top, Itachi is still in his Edo Tensei body. The lower left panel of the same page is the one that shows Itachi's soul ascending, and it's a little too far to see his left eye clearly (in the anime, both of his eyes weren't blind in that instance). But all of this is a "maybe" and "who knows": speculative.--JOA2019:59, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Question; how does any of this affect Itschi's article? —Cerez365^™

^(talk) 15:11, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

SSM tried adding it to the article. From this and other edits, I get the sense he uses the wiki to settle debates he has elsewhere. If so, I ask he stop doing that. ~Snapper T o 15:55, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

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+== Using Water Release Without a water source ==
-== Secondary infobox image for edo tensei? ==
+Just cause he's a Water Release user, something we've known since part 1, it doesn't mean he's capable of using water release without water sources. It was just done to get Kabuto to experience the sensation of water dripping.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 06:06, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
+:Maybe so, but he did still stream the jutsu from his mouth without a nearby water source.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 10:00, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
+::Problem was that was not Itachi. That was Izanami Itachi. It was done for Kabuto to experience the sensation of experiencing a drip on him.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:49, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
+:::I see what you're saying, but that still sounds like a bit of a stretch to me. You're phrasing it as if Izanami Itachi (as funny as that sounds) and reality Itachi are two different beings and I'm simply not seeing it unless there's a DB4 translation that explains in detail how Izanami works. I'll wait for other opinions.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 21:27, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
+:::There's no reason to believe that Izanami Itachi does not have the same abilities as the real Itachi. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:35, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
+Do you mean the water dripping in the cave from that stalactite? it was not Itachi and the dripping sensation was in the time loop of Izanami so.. what does this have to do with water release?--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 17:47, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
+:Okay I checked it again and I think I got it, anyway the point is he was able to use [[Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique]]--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 18:02, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
+::The point is I don't really think we can say Itachi used Water Dragon without a water source since that wasn't actually Itachi doing it.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 21:16, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
+:::Agreed with SnapperTwo. There really isn't any reason at all. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 21:35, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
+== Hero or Villain ==
-Does anyone else find it appropriate for characters who have been reincarnated? --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 06:20, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
+Does the 4th DB state if Itachi's name was ever cleared or did he remain in official history as a criminal?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 15:59, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
-:Is it better to open a new discussion about putting another image in the infobox for the reincarnated characters like Itachi, Madara, Asuma and Zabuza? [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 06:47, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
+:Since nobody knows that he was the reason Edo Tensei was disabled, I would guess a villain. But, in our hearts at least, he is "A Hero from within the shadows", a fitting title for an ANBU, don't you agree?--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 16:11, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
-::I don't really see the point, a reincarnated shinobi looks exactly the same as when they keeled over and pegged it, apart from the eyes, so it'd be pointless. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 06:49, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
+::I like that @omojuze lel. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 16:44, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
-:::I knew this day was coming. It is not necessary to add pictures of what persons look like when they are reincarnated. The point of adding secondary images is for persons who have had significant changes in appearance i.e. the Konoha 11, Inari and even Tazuna, not for people who come back to like with cracked greyed skin and black irides. It isn't necessary.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:50, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
-== Orochimaru's statement ==
+== Izanami sealed Itachi's Susanoo use. ==
+His spirit retained the damage Izanami made to his eye, robbing him of one of his Mangekyo. Without two Mangekyo, Susanoo can't be manifested. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back, he'd be unable to use Susanoo.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:04, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
-Orochimaru may have said Itachi was stronger than himself, but had already been stripped of most of his powers by Hiruzen at that point, so wouldn't it be more valid to note that his statement came only after his loss of his arms? The Fox King(The Fox King 15:45, November 1, 2013 (UTC))
+:Itachi's two eyes are in Sasuke's possesion now so? and he used Izanami in edo tensei form, also Madara was able to use Susanoo without eyes, this could mean the eyes are not required at all after first activation of two mangekyou but that's just speculation on my part. Also there are instances where Itachi didn't activate Mangekyou while using Susanoo. I think the point you were adding is irrelevant in the article, we write down what has happened in manga, we can't say for sure what will happen, if he were brought back and if we see his one eye white we could assume that he is not capable of using it but that doesn't happen look at Madara.--[[User:Mecha Naruto|Mecha Naruto]] ([[User talk:Mecha Naruto|talk]]) 19:38, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
-:You are assuming that Orochimaru was taking into account his weakened state. We mention what was said and leave it at that without any concessions.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
+:: Then why did his spirit still possess the same handicap when Edo Tensei was cancelled? Madara's eyes still physically existed, they weren't destroyed or sealed, so he could use them to create his Susanoo from afar. Those are art errors for Itachi that were corrected in the tankobon releases, Mecha Naruto. The manga made it clear, two Mangekyo are needed to awaken and maintain Susanoo, take away one of those Mangekyo permanently, no more Susanoo. Thus if Itachi was ever brought back he'd be unable to use Susanoo. It was the sacrifice that was needed to defeat Kabuto.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:47, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
+::: His spirit? The source you mentioned (chapter 591 page 1, if I'm not mistaken) doesn't clearly show if his spirit still has the left eye blind. In the panel at the top, Itachi is still in his Edo Tensei body. The lower left panel of the same page is the one that shows Itachi's soul ascending, and it's a little too far to see his left eye clearly (in the anime, both of his eyes weren't blind in that instance). But all of this is a "maybe" and "who knows": speculative.--[[User talk:JOA20|JOA20]]19:59, May 17, 2015 (UTC)
-He had just beforehand noted his weakened state and then he said that after they began to discuss Itachi. Its still not exactly valid to just have whats there. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:09, November 1, 2013 (UTC))
+::::Question; how does any of this affect Itschi's article? —[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:11, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
+:::::[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Itachi_Uchiha?diff=1047692 SSM tried adding it to the article.] From this and other edits, I get the sense he uses the wiki to settle debates he has elsewhere. If so, I ask he stop doing that. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 15:55, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
-He says Itachi is stronger than him because of their scuffle back when he left Akatsuki. He wasn't mentioning his weakened state. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:49, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
-I said he mentioned his weakened state right before he said that, not during it, and he only said that after he lost his arms. His scuffle with Itachi hadn't been revealed yet and he didn't reference it, so therefore it seems more valid to at least note he had lost most of his power by the time he said Itachi was stronger than him. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:26, November 3, 2013 (UTC))
-No need to. Him having lost his arms or not, he says himself Itachi is STRONGER than him, if he would of included his arms being lost he would of said something along the lines of "In my current state.. Itachi is stronger than me" but he didn't now did he? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 00:14, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
-: There's no real point of saying what he ''might have said '''if'''''. These are just manga characters, people, Kishi the brain behind them. Orochimaru said what he said, its not up for us to decide whether he meant with or without his arms. We just record what he said and take him at his word. That's all we, as readers, can do. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:12, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
-== Itachi and Kisame's first meeting ==
-Why is it that Itachi and Kisame's first meeting happened before the Uchiha Clan Massacre? In the chapter which was used as reference for that meeting, Kisame said that he had heard the rumours about Itachi slaughtering the Uchiha Clan. How could that have been if Itachi had yet to do it?--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 16:49, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
-:Indeed, that's a mistake. Feel free to fix it. ^_^ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:46, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
-::Alright then. Done ^_^--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 17:58, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
-Not a mistake, just means Itachi may have simply been 13 when he joined Akatsuki and not 11 like people like to say. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:32, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
-:Curious about this, which chapter is that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:44, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
-::He was 11, check my timeline~ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:45, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
-== Well ==
-I thought you guys might appreciate this. It seems he was 170cm tall at age 13... tall for Naruto age standards.
-yr old Itachi
-http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2013/11/kaisou.jpg
-Edo Tensei Itachi
-http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2013/11/itachi1.jpg
-[[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:36, November 29, 2013 (UTC)
-Seems Sasuke was 140cm at age 8 too lol.. Naruto was only 142 at age 10-11. Poor Naruto [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 22:29, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
-== Image change ==
-I think the image that was just uploaded of Itachi with his Sharingan deactivated would be a good photo replacement, it looks better in imo [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 03:36, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
-:Itachi spent the majority of his time with the Sharingan activated, it's much more usual appearance for him. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:22, February 19, 2014 (UTC)
-== Add to Legacy. ==
-I feel as if we should place something about Kabuto in his legacy. Mostly how because of Itachi, Kabuto came to realize his place in the shinobi world. [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 05:37, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
-:I guess so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:10, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
-== "second eyebrows" ==
-Just noticed he has them painted, shouldn't it be mentioned?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:25, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-Wait.. what? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:33, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-:https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/486x375q90/31/7ez2.png
-:those red things are his actual eyebrows, while that where the blue is I suppose is drawn? And yes, this isn't a late April, I'm serious--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:52, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-::Those are his eyelids. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:02, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-:::Are you sure? Eyelids end where the eyelashes do, or not? Those lines are above the eyes--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:13, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-::::: Sweety, google eyelids. You forget where eyelids "begin". --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:34, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-Okay then ._. why aren't all characters then drawn that way?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:36, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-:Because not all characters look the same. That's just where the skin from his eyelids "fold". Kinda like an expression line. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:41, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-There are actually many types of eye shapes, such as hooded and etc. This creates a different looking eyelid, which is what Itachi has. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 23:50, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-:Thanks for explanation both of you then.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:55, April 3, 2014 (UTC)
-== Kakashi ==
-*Some of the references show that Kakashi took care of Itachi in anbu, but they are using the manga which didn't really show anything like that or Kakashi and Itachi having much of a relationship... wasn't that only in the filler arc? so shouldn't those references from the anime be shown as ref from the anime rather than incorrectly shown to be from the manga?--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 19:26, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
-:Feel free to correct such blasphemy where you see it. People mixing up canon with non-canon is getting a little too overboard...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:34, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
-== Blaze Release ==
-Why does Itachi have blaze release?
-[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 04:49, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
-Because we deduced that Amaterasu is Blaze Release. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:54, October 5, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
-Checking other talkpages before asking sometime helps you know. If you demand an explanation for the reasoning, then I'm willing to give it to you.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 09:51, October 5, 2014 (UTC)
-Blaze release is different from Amaterasu in the aspect that it is the power of a single eye. Itachi had tsukuyomi and amaterasu as his two eye powers, where as Sasuke had amaterasu and blaze release. Two abilities must be unlocked prior to manifesting susano'o, so we know for a fact we have seen sasuke's two mangekyo abilities, and that negates the possibility of tsukuyomi. Remember, Sasuke manipulates black flames with one eye, and casts amaterasu with the other. That being said, Itachi ''cannot'' manipulate flames. (Yes, I know he has been seen distinguishing them before, but that is besides the point)
-Itachi's two mangekyo abilities, again, were tsukuyomi and amaterasu. Amaterasu and blazer release are different powers, and thus, Itachi '''does not''' have blaze release.
-{{Unsigned|DazzlingEmerald}}
-:The reason why we came to the conclusion that Amaterasu is Blaze Release is because of this simple reason: Shaping a nature does ''not'' advance it. You see Sasuke shape his Chidori into techniques like Chidori Sharp Spear and Kirin. Does that advance the lightning nature? No. Sure, there's no Blaze Release prefix on Amaterasu. There isn't a Lightning Release prefix on Chidori either. You can cry about it all you want, nothing will change. We're seriously beating on a dead horse here, and we're very tired of having to explain it over and over again. Shaping a nature does ''not'' advance it. It's just that simple. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:22, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-Sigh...look we came to a conclusion that blaze release can't possibility just be for just manipulating the black flames and such how its manifested being Amaterasu is part of Blaze Release considered to be the highest type of fire. Since there hasn't been a databook out for a while and things past it contradicts some things we had to look at it deeply and we came to an agreement. As for Sasuke getting the Susanoo I speculated he used Tsukuyomi despite people trying to disagree with me despite some evidence but its like how Obito manifested Susanoo through Kakashi. A mystery I suppose. [[User:Rachin123|Rachin123]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:18, October 6, 2014 (UTC)Rachin123
-Correction @Dazzling: since Amaterasu (or so at least logic dictates) is Blaze Release, Itachi too had Blaze Release technique in one eye and Tsukuyomi in another. Sasuke has Blaze Release in one eye (Amaterasu) and Kagutsuchi in another. All Kagutsuchi is, is Shape Transformation as stated by C. Manipulation of the black flames by means of shape transformation isn't Blaze Release, the flames themselves are Blaze Release to begin with--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:51, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-:Blaze release was madeup on this wiki, wasn't it? I don't believe it's stated ever in the manga... (correct me if I'm wrong)[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 22:19, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-::Blaze Release was not made up. It has been stated in the manga a multitude of times. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:23, October 6, 2014 (UTC)
-sigghhh, why cant you guys just go by what manga states and stop putting theories in the articles, when will this wiki learn. This wiki done had many issues like this, and if its turns out to be wrong it makes the website and users look stupid. Thus we lose viewers for info. We had this same issue with indra, kaguya, sasuke and more and so far all theories are becoming wrong and some of who approves of this are only making yourself work harder by going back into the articles changing it. We shouldnt have viewers or users created sections like this because some of you come up with theories instead of being factual, if the manga doesnt stated dont put it. Its time for a change, but you know the fourth databook is out so if it doesnt say he does, like most of the theories that are wrong. You gonna have to change it. And plus it make this wiki look like a fandom wiki with all these theory without direct facts. If a user feels like naruto can do susanno i guest he would put it in his article and say "its ok we came to the conclusion that he can do it" (sarcastically). Smh--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 01:00, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
-Finally, someone who seeks the truth.[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 01:40, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
-Amaterasu is listed as a Blaze Release technique, so this move of removing Itachi as a Blaze Release user doesn't make sense. Fire Release at it's highest level IS Blaze Release, which Itachi can clearly do. If the ability of control is the major factor here, couldn't we just acknowledge in his nature transformation subsection of his abilities, that he can't exercise the same level of control over the black flames as Sasuke? Just a thought.--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 18:03, November 10, 2014 (UTC)
-Thankfully,, it has finally been removed. He could not have inferior usage to Sasuke, because he did not possess the blaze release ability in his mangekyo sharingan. You all should know that a sharingan is limited to two abilities, one per each eye. By giving Itachi blaze release, you were giving him three abilities. I only hope those people who you've confused the past month will someday learn the truth.[[User:DazzlingEmerald|DazzlingEmerald]] ([[User talk:DazzlingEmerald|talk]]) 12:40, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-:I added it again. ^_^ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-@DazzlingEmerald, can you explain how Amaterasu is not a Blaze Release dojustsu, when it's been explained that it's the highest level of Fire Release? Can you also explain how being able to manipulate the black flames of Amaterasu makes it Blaze Release, and yet the flames themselves from Itachi's mangekyo sharingan aren't? Blaze Release(Amaterasu) and the Tsukuyomi are Itachi's two visual powers. Simple, no?--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 13:31, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-:Not entirely correct. Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are Itachi's powers, Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi are Sasuke's powers. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:44, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-::Yeah I get that. Amaterasu and the ability to manipulate it (Kagutsuchi) are Sasuke's two mangekyo powers. But the Amaterasu itself isn't an Enton visiual technique? Because right now Amaterasu is listed as Enton release, which is probably why I'm confused on this issue. If it's been deduced that Amaterasu is an Enton Release sharingan power (seperate from Kagutsuchi), then shouldn't Itachi logically be listed as a user of Enton Release? Unless the black flames used for Kagutsuchi and Amaterasu are two different flames....though they're both visual powers. MIND......BLOWN--[[User:Minamoto15|Minamoto15]] ([[User talk:Minamoto15|talk]]) 13:59, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-Alright, let me explain again how we came to the conclusion that Amaterasu is Blaze Release: When Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi first turned up, we thought that the whole name stood for the manipulation of the black flames, even though the fact that it was called ''release'' should've made us thinking. Over time, many people started discussions about this and were turned down or so. In the fight against Kaguya, Sasuke used Kagutsuchi without its Blaze Release prefix on the black flames of Amaterasu. Why didn't he say the prefix? Exactly: Because he already had black flames he could manipulate, there was no need to ''release'' them anymore. This was basically proof that Kagutsuchi is what manipulates the black flames and Blaze Release is what releases them. And since the black flames of Amaterasu and the ones of Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi are the same, it's only logical that Amaterasu is a Blaze Release technique, too. How Blaze Release really works, if it's an advanced nature or whatever is something we don't exactly know yet. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:02, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-:@Dazzling, Blaze Release is stated to be black flames in chapter 464 page 6 by Gaara. Blaze Release is the release of black flames, stated in chapter 464, and Tau is correct. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 15:34, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-Kagutsuchi is shape transformation a separate control of chakra from nature transformation. Most elemental techniques seen in the series use both. Naruto adding Wind-natured chakra to his Rasengan (highest level of shape transformation) doesn't make it a different nature like Hurricane Release or whatever. So "whatever nature black flames are" + shape transformation = the same nature just with altered shape. Therefore logically Enton is the black flames, not the flames+shape--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 18:24, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-:Yes, chapter 464 page 6 stated that Blaze Release is black flames, and Amaterasu is black flames, so I don't know why people think Amaterasu is different. Is it because of the third databook that stated Amaterasu is fire? The same databook that stated Tobi is Madara? The same databook that stated Tsukuyomi + Amaterasu = Susanoo therefore every Susanoo user has Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu? The manga disproved all of those things. Manga > 3rd Databook. • [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] {{Mod}} [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:32, November 11, 2014 (UTC)
-== Stopping Kabuto's attack picture ==
-Here is the manga picture of it since you wanted Sasuke in it, do with it what you will wiki [[:File:Sasitahands.PNG]]--[[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 20:59, October 26, 2014 (UTC)
-== Yin and Yang ==
-Yea this should've been expected as being brought up. Why is Itachi listed as a Yin Release and Yang Release user? [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 21:19, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
-I think because it's listed in the fourth databook--[[User:Ankhael|Ankhael]] ([[User talk:Ankhael|talk]]) 22:15, November 6, 2014 (UTC)
-:Ok. I just remembered that it's common he uses genjutsu he uses (Izanami, Tsukoyomi) that are Yin Release, but I don't remember him using any Yang Release techniques. [[User talk:Banan14kab|'''''<span style="color:black">Banan'''''</span><span style="color:grey">'''14'''</span>'''''<span style="color:crimson" >kab</span>''''']] 04:41, November 7, 2014 (UTC)
-== Itachi had enough time to form the Mirror. ==
-Itachi had to put his best defense up to block Kirin. If he didn't he'd have died flat out when the attack hit. Throwing around titles like invincible should really be avoided shouldn't they as well? They are pure hyperbole and subjective, not something that the wikia should represent.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:06, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
-:Black Zetsu was the one that called it invincible, not the wiki. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 19:16, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
-:: Which is why we should take it with a grain of salt. Saying 'virtually' would achieve the same effect. Otherwise we're putting hyperbole into the articles.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:27, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
-:::It already says "essentially". '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:29, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
-== According to DB4 and Kishi himself... ==
-Before Itachi left Konoha he was 15 standing at 170cm when he finally joined Akatsuki.. now it is hinted that he joined Akatsuki immediately after he finished massacring the clan and leaving Konoha for good in the manga all the way to the 4 kages revival where Hiruzen says that doesn't he?... So that means that 4yrs after Shisui died is when he kills the clan and joins Akatsuki... this is the NEW canon... did I miss anything FF-Suzaku and Seelentau?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:54, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
-:There was a similar issue with timelines about the wars I believe. Basically, Kishimoto don't give no $*@(s about time.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:23, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
-Yeah.. I saw the war stuff and there is no other way to chop that up other than simply errors from Kishi. In this case though is simply moves the "7 years ago" statement to 7 years ago from the end of DB4. So it isn't a major change, it just makes Itachi 15 when he joins Akatsuki and according to the manga and DB4, it means he at least just turned 15 the day he left Konoha, therefore it was around 4 years after he witnessed Shisui commit suicide. The wars dated timeline is so far all I can see that DB4 totally fucked to the point we can't make it sensibly work so it should be entirely ignored as it would be impossible for the war dates given to make sense and work at all. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:26, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
-Part I. says he was 11 when joining Akatsuki, Part II. says he was 13 when joining Akatsuki, DB4 says he was 15, so which?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 10:35, December 14, 2014 (UTC)
-and beating Orochimaru was highly unlikely anyways I don't care who it was even 11 year old Hagoromo would not be able to do that.. part 2 consecutively said many times that he joined after he left Konoha, the only dates were were given for Itachi was that he was 11 when joining Anbu and 6 months later Shisui died, so the rest is where DB4 and Shippuden filled the blanks, only Kisama himself, in Part 1 only said that it was 7 years from that moment that Orochimaru left Akatsuki, part 2 and DB4 retconned that entirely. So it has been made that he was just turned 15 when he joined Akatsuki and we know he joined Akatsuki soon after leaving Konoha, we know he was still in Konoha and became a Anbu Captain at age 13. I guess Kishi finally decided(right at the frickin end..) to make it blatant and fact. So he was a 170 cm tall 15 year old and Sasuke was a 140 cm tall 10 year old(yamato was also 140 cm at 10 yet Sasuke outgrew him and became a taller adult than him lol) I guess that makes the parallel they tried to make between Sasuke and Itachi when Sasuke fought Orochimaru fit better.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:16, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
-:Basically, Kishi doesn't give a damn about ages. But I thought we were following the oh-so glorious databook, so I assume we did the same here. <br>~•[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WS7125'''''</font>]]<sub><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 04:21, December 15, 2014 (UTC)
-== Is this a trivia? ==
-This has been bugging me for I don't know how long. Itachi first appeared on Naruto Chapter 141. Naruto Shippuden Episode 141 is where we really got to know about him. Does this count as a trivia? [[User:Dream mist11|Dream mist11]] ([[User talk:Dream mist11|talk]]) 07:27, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
-:…no. Just no.--[[User:JOA20|J]][[User talk:JOA20|O]][[Special:Contributions/JOA20|A]]<sup>20</sup>14:31, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
-=="Naruto points out to Itachi the flaw in his plans"? (Personality Section)==
-Ok! I thought Itachi was the one who acknowledge his mistake by himself '''without''' being pointed out by anyone. But when I read the last paragraph in the "Personality" section, it says "Naruto points out to Itachi the flaw in his plans". Someone source the part is from "chapter 579 page 3" but when I reread chapter 579, it doesn't mention anything about it. Naruto is not even in Chapter 579. Chapter 579 is about the Uchiha brothers work together fighting Kabuto.
-I think it's either someone put the wrong source or someone mistaken about Naruto being the one who pointed out to Itachi his flaw plans.
-Sorry for my bad English[[User:MichiyoChiba|MichiyoChiba]] ([[User talk:MichiyoChiba|talk]]) 16:55, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
-:Reference added, before that paragraph, there is your answer to your question.
-you could have read the whole page then you'd come to understand--[[User:Naruto uzu6254|Naruto uzu6254]] ([[User talk:Naruto uzu6254|talk]]) 22:52, December 25, 2014 (UTC)
-== Orochimaru & Itachi ==
-At a certain point, Itachi & Orochimru were Akatsuki partners. Why isn't Orochimaru in Itachi's partner box? Same goes for Itachi not being in Orocimaru's. [[User:Sin2|Sin2]] ([[User talk:Sin2|talk]]) 01:22, January 1, 2015 (UTC)