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== Cleanup ==
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* [http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Third_Hokage&curid=1971&diff=18411&oldid=16876 This edit] could use some cleanup. It's overly fanatic and contains POV. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Feb 20, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 06:03 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
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== Personality ==
   
== What is wrong with the article...? ==
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Should it be mentioned in his personality that he didnt want to deal with the dark side of shinobi/world and that he intrusted danzo with thoughs task? [[Special:Contributions/173.20.170.66|173.20.170.66]] ([[User talk:173.20.170.66|talk]]) 03:08, May 21, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever
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:Done.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:34, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
   
something is defenetly wrong with this article... could someone clean this up.
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How about this: "In the anime, this was enforced by the fact that no matter how great Danzō's crimes, which included an attempt to assassinate him, Hiruzen could not bring himself to punish him, unable to accept that Danzō was no longer the childhood friend he once knew. " [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]]) 01:49, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
To whoever cleaned it up... thank you
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Hiruzen also considered himself a failure among the Hokage for being too being inattentive to Naruto during his childhood, and [[Sasuke Uchiha]] after the [[Uchiha Clan Massacre]]. [[User:Justin Holland|Justin Holland]] ([[User talk:Justin Holland|talk]])
   
== My recent edits ==
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== Water Release ==
   
I changed a couple of things to the page which I'll explain here.
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Doesn't he have water release due to his Wood Jutsu? [[Special:Contributions/71.84.172.244|71.84.172.244]] ([[User talk:71.84.172.244|talk]]) 05:20, May 26, 2013 (UTC) Tierein
*I changed every mention of Sarutobi being the Third Hokage's surname to it being his old name. The reason is two-fold. First, there is strong evidence of Sarutobi being the Third's given (and likely only) name and not his surname. Second, the Hokage title works the same as, for instance, the stage names of Kabuki actors. In other words, Hokage is not so much a title as it is an actual name all but replacing his old name. In fact, either the first or the second databook literally calls Sarutobi the Third's "old name".
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:Hiruzen does not use the wood style he's never been shown use It and never mentioned to --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 05:43, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
*I changed the kanji for his nickname (猿) to the katakana サル. This is how his nickname is written in the manga. Also, it is only the Second Hokage that calls him Saru. The First Holage simply calls him Sarutobi.
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::It is [[Hashirama Senju|Hashirama]] who has wood release. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 05:46, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
*I removed the mention of {{translation|Technique Neutralize|術消|Jutsu Shō}}, since it isn't named in either the manga, or the databooks, nor is it ever explained how it works. If anybody has a source that does give this information, please mention it.
 
--[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 16:01, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 
   
Uh huh. What about Konohamaru then? He calls himself a Genin of the Sarutobi Clan.
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== Ōnoki ==
   
About the "replacing name" thing: not sure about that. People are still calling the Fifth "Tsunade" just as much as they are calling her "Godaime". I think Godaime and Hokage are both titles which are more formally used (Hokage used to address whoever the leader of the village happens to be at the time, while Godaime refers specifically to the Fifth), used in the same way as "President" or "Your Majesty" {{unsigned|81.147.168.193|10:32, 2010 July 8 (UTC)}}
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how about add that [[Hiruzen Sarutobi]] meet [[Ōnoki]] sometime in his life, cause he knows Ōnoki's[[Dust Release]] ?--{{unsigned|Abdulrahman Al-Otaibi}}
:First of all, why did you reply to a two-year-old discussion?
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:It's only natural for Hiruzen to know him, both are/were Kage and their villages fought against each other during the Third Shinobi World War.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 14:09, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
:Second of all, in Japanese, the difference between names and titles is far less distinct than in English. The Hokage title falls between a normal title (e.g. queen) and a regnal name (e.g. Elisabeth II). It is very much similar to the stage names taken on by kabuki actors (e.g. actor Natsuo Horikoshi took on the name Jūnidaime Ichikawa Danjūrō, or Ichikawa Danjūrō XII in English).
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::Cerez ordered me to tell you that there's no way for two 1000 year old men not to know each other, just relaying a message like a good boy.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:51, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
:Basically, the Hokage title replaces their old name in practically every aspect of life and it would be a faux pas to address them with their old name, unless you were familiar with them or of higher or equal social rank. Of course, in the beginning it would be difficult to switch, but years into the reign of a Hokage, it would be rare to find someone who still uses the old name, but wasn't intimately familiar with the Hokage. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 12:48, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
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:::And with that, everything is said and we can forget this topic forevermore.[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 16:15, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Knowing is one thing, meeting is other, i know who Kishimoto is, but i never met him. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 16:26, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
   
::a) Apologies...didn't notice the date
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== Shuriken ==
::...in any case though, I had a point to make and this looked like the most relevant section at the time.
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I was thinking that we add to his page that he was able to instantly summon/bring fourth shuriken. I find it odd that an Edo tensei, was able to get fuma shuriken like that. Same goes for Minato and his ftg kunai. But unlike Minato, Hiruzen actually had a panel of his summoning the shuriken, then making clones of them. (in the new chapter btw). Even if we don't give him the [[Lightning Blade Creation]] , we could mention it in his page. In addition, we need to make a shuriken subheading for him. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 17:26, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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: I'm actually not sure what to do about this. I'd rather not create an unnamed technique for his ability to summon shuriken, while at the same time I'm pretty sure its not [[Lightning Blade Creation]]. I'm also not too keen on adding a "Shurikenjutsu" section just yet. After all, the only thing of note that he's actually done with shuriken is use [[Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique]], which, in and of itself, is not that impressive nor noteworthy. All of that is already mentioned. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:48, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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:: You don't think we should mention that he could summon shuriken? If i'm not mistaken, Edo Zombies don't carry items, only clothes. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 17:51, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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::: You forget, Mangetsu had all of the swords of the Swordsman in a scroll which he already had. Deidara had his clay. Hanzō had his kusarigama. So on and so forth. Its not uncommon for them to have weapons sealed on their body too, like Sasuke did against Itachi. What I'm getting at is, we don't know if he summoned the shuriken, or already had them sealed in a tag somewhere on him, or if he used another method. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:55, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
::b) About the names...it's kinda the same thing. After all, we don't usually call the Queen of England "Elisabeth II" unless we're distinguishing between different monarchs. We usually refer to her as "The Queen", or more properly "Her Majesty" (taking into account the fact that Japanese culture places more emphasis on respect than western culture). Ignore the President example, it was perhaps bad seeing as we change Presidents so often.
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*Kabuto gathered the swords in the scroll (note the missing Samehada)
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* Who knows what Hanzo did
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* Hiruzen actually summoned the shuriken, hence the puff of smoke around it, before he threw it and replicated it.
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That much was shown. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 18:01, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
::c) We agree that Sarutobi was his Surname?
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: That's not proof of him summoning it. Sasuke and Tenten unsealing the weapons from various objects also resulted in a poof of smoke, and Sasuke had it on his wrist, in particular, so it also made it look like a summoning. Also, that may be true as far as the swords, but that still doesn't account for Hanzō, Minato, Deidara, and now Hiruzen. We simply don't enough to make an conclusive decisions. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:05, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Third databook ==
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:: Hanzo and Deidara both do something different. In everyother instance, including Sasuke and Tenten, when a ''ninja tool'' is ''summoned'', it is the result of a technique. In Sasuke's case, Lightning Blade Creation, and in Tenten's, Generic Sealing Technique. The only thing Hiruzen doesn't have, is a defined way he summoned his tool. Idk, I would add a technique like ''Ninja Tool Summoning'', for those unexplained item summonings. Then add Gen. Seal. Tech. as a parent. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 18:21, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
I was able to find a scan of the Third Hokage's article in the third databook (thanks to whoever uploaded it). If you want to see it, go [http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii119/kumanri/naruto%20databook%203/hokagesecondthird.jpg here]. I'll add some of the details. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] 19:33, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
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::: That seems unnecessary to me, but I'll wait for others to weigh in. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:31, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
Wow, a lot of first names have been revealed since I last came to Narutopedia. ~[[User:Kakashi_Namikaze|Kakashi Namikaze]] ([[User talk:Kakashi_Namikaze|talk]]) 11:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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Or simply add the ''Generic Sealing Technique'', which is the staple for ninja weapon summoning techniques, instead of making a new one...we don't know if the Hokages stopped at any moment to re-supply their weapon arsenals or if what Hanzo and Deidara do is unique, if Kabuto resuplied them with weapons or if it's connected to the Hokages weapon use...there's simply too little to go on. To me he simply brought out a weapon, same show almost everyother ninja does in battle. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 18:34, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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: No, we see everyone pulling their items outta their sack or bag, ''on their person''. What Hiruzen did was summon the Fuma Shuriken. Regardless if Hiruzen resupplied himself with weaponry, he still summoned the shuriken. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 18:40, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
:I read Naruto Manga since the first chapter, and till now (Cap. 423) none was revelated about the first name of Sarutobi, so I don't believe that this is your real name (the same for [[Raiga]] who is considered a member of the [[Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist]] only in anime, but he don't appear in manga). --[[User:Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko|Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko]] [[User talk:Brunoy Anastasiya Seryozhenko|<font color="black">(</font>Talk<font color="black">)</font>]] 05:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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It's either fuuinjutsu or summoning technique, but no scroll or tattoo can be seen. He did it with only 1 free hand behind his back, so he likely pulled it out from his fart hole--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:47, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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:It's not the first time that things like these have been seen, shinobi summoning weapons out of seemingly nowhere. It's these kinds of things we aren't supposed to stress and just accept that it was summoned. We weren't anywhere near him to see what he did, the same way Sakon summoned a kunai out of seemingly nowhere during his battle with Raidō and Genma. There's nothing here worth mentioning or overly stressing about.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:52, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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::I remember the Sakon&Ukon kunai thingy, but can't find it. Can you direct me over the talk?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:00, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Chapter 185 pages 3-4.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:27, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
::You don't have to believe it. But it's right.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] 05:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
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Just to give my simple opinion, it looks like he summoned the shuriken, but thats not a big think, like other users said, it is a normal thing. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 20:10, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
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:If you read the first part of the Lightning Blade Creation article you'll see that all that is, is a specialised version of the ninja tool summon. Logically it's a convenient way to carry a lot of weapons and have them at your disposal without weighing you down.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
   
== When? ==
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Unless the story itself shows or hints at it being something more than generic sealing, I see no reason to think it's something unique or more complex. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:16, July 21, 2013 (UTC)
   
When and where was theird and second hokages first name revealed?[[User:Saimaroimaru|Saimaroimaru]] 15:07, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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== Stopping summoning ==
: Third databook. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] 15:08, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 
   
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In Naruto Episode 69, doesn't Hiruzen try to stop Orochimaru from summoning the Fourth Hokage by using Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation, but later it didn't need to be stopped because the Fourth Hokage is sealed by the Dead Demon Consuming Seal along with the Yin Chakra portion of the Nine-Tailed Fox/Kurama. --[[User:Jumbojetlaser|Jumbojetlaser]] ([[User talk:Jumbojetlaser|talk]]) 10:47, October 2, 2013 (UTC)Jumbojetlaser
==Name?==
 
When did we ever learn that his name was Hiruzen? I have never heard of this before. {{unsigned|Shikamaru1994|18:19, November 11, 2008}}
 
:Please read the talkpage before you post. Both of the sections above the one you posted say where his name was released. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup><nowiki/> <small>[[Forum:Javascript addtions to searchbox|current discussion]]</small> <small>Nov 12, 2008 <sub>@</sub> 01:22 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
 
== Earth natured or fire natured? ==
 
 
the third hokage hiruzen can use both earth and fire style jutsus. even
 
though he can use two elements, which element is his chakra naturally
 
lean to. i believe it is earth natured because he uses more earth
 
style jutsus than fire ones.
 
 
By JohnnyB317 Feb Friday 13, 2009
 
 
:We simply do not know. It was never stated. Also, at least in the manga, he uses both [[Fire Release]] and [[Earth Release]] once. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 21:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Wasn't it stated that he knew all of the techniques in the village? Wouldn't this imply that he was capable of every nature? [[Special:Contributions/71.74.188.27|71.74.188.27]] ([[User talk:71.74.188.27|talk]]) 02:25, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:"said to" ≠ fact. "knew" ≠ can perform. I ''know'' the Rasengan, but I can't use it in most everyday situations. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 02:34, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== refer to him as sarutobi ==
 
 
seeing as he is always referred to as "sarutobi" shoudnt the article refer to kim as sarutobi, not "hiruzen"[[User:Hollow Flash|Hollow Flash]] ([[User talk:Hollow Flash|talk]]) 23:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
: We refer to Naruto with Naruto, don't we? Would be strange to suddenly refer to somebody else with their surname, although that's what the characters normally say. ~[[User:Hakinu|Hakinu]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hakinu|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hakinu|contribs]])</sup> 23:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::We do refer to [[Might Guy]] as Guy though. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Jul 20, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 00:41 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
 
 
That is his stage name not his real name.Hey word on the streets is Vegerot rocks![[User:Vegerot|Vegerot]] <sup>([[User talk:Vegerot|talk]])</sup> 23:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
If the databooks, artbooks, and almost all sources are correct, Might Guy is is real name. And by the titans don't use that "Hey word on the streets" thing again.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 23:22, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
in the bleach wiki they sometimes refer to characters by their surname as well as their given, in the Kisuke Urahara article they refer to him as "Urahara" as well as "Kisuke"[[User:Hollow Flash|Hollow Flash]] ([[User talk:Hollow Flash|talk]]) 13:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
Much less confusing if we keep to one name, though. ~[[User:Hakinu|Hakinu]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hakinu|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hakinu|contribs]])</sup> 13:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:The third databook (which revealed the Third Hokage's given name) seems to prefer "Hiruzen," in parallel with practically all other characters' names. Might Guy and Rock Lee seem to be exceptions and it could very well be that Might and Rock are something like nicknames. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 00:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 
 
just because the databook refers to him as hiruzen, the manga refers to him as sarutobi, the manga is a primary source {{Unsigned|Lolkubo}}
 
 
The.. databook is at least just as important as the manga. It contains much more, and much more accurate information than what the manga does. Also, sign your comments, please. ~[[User:Hakinu|Hakinu]] <sup>([[User_talk:Hakinu|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hakinu|contribs]])</sup> 23:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== sarutobi's label ==
 
 
there is no reference in this article to Sandaime being hailed as "the god of the shinobi". Orochimaru said that during their battle,in the manga- chapter 121 page 03.
 
 
== you may be right ==
 
 
but in the naruto arena mission for the 3rd hokage it says god of shinobi and for the second and first hokage it says the resurection of the second i resrurection of the first
 
these say the time when orochimaru revived the former kages with his jutsu
 
[[User:Sartorias|Sartorias]] ([[User talk:Sartorias|talk]]) 18:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== Young Sarutobi Images. ==
 
 
Someone needs to post the images of Hiruzen from Naruto Shippuden 127 and 128, and having images soley from Part I is not always a good thing in my opinion. Showing an image of Young Hiruzen under the abilities section or anywhere swould be rather brilliant :)--[[User:Bartallen2|Bartallen2]] ([[User talk:Bartallen2|talk]]) 11:33, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
:I'll get on it in a bit...--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 11:46, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
::Done..--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 14:07, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
 
 
== original design ==
 
 
i have a picture of the original design of sarutobi... if you think it will be a good contribution to the wiki let me know --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 21:33, October 27, 2009 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
 
== Unnamed Collaboration Jutsu ==
 
 
Can somebody make a page about the collaboration attack in the begin of the battle with Orochimaru. Kakuzu has his Katon/Futon collaboration jutsu even if it was unnamed and without the exact techs named, so there is no reason not. So can someone please do it. I Don't know how really.--[[User:Nintendo-Fan|Nintendo-Fan]] ([[User talk:Nintendo-Fan|talk]]) 02:25, November 17, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan
 
 
== more hype ==
 
 
In chapter 140 page 04, Kabuto sais that "it is said" that Hiruzen was the strongest of the 5 Kages although we cant conclude that it referce to the Kages from the last chapters (maybe only to onoki). {{Unsigned|ENCOO ELMO}}
 
 
Look at his stats. Not only is he the only Kage, but the only shinobi of all with stats to have 5/5 in Ninjutsu, Taijutsu and Genjutsu. He also has 5/5 intellegence and hand seals. The only reason he has 3/3 in Strength, Speed and Stamina is due to his age. Thus, in his prime, it is likely his stats would have been 40/40, making him the strongest shinobi of all those that are given stats (likely, Nagato, Madara, etc. would be stronger).
 
 
They'd be tied at best as 40/40 is the ninja peak stat level. No one can be stronger than that. Plus, the stats are 5 different tiers. People who have incredible strength are 5 tiers in strength. So Tsunade, Jirobo, Gai, Sakura are 5 tiers in strength, doesn't mean they have the same strength, they are just in the top tier in strength. See my example? Oh and the databook stats are stats without any extra influence. Another words without the influence of cursed seal, kekkei genkei or jinchuriki powers. So Hiruzen is most definitely One of the top shinobi period in his old age, In his prime he would of been the best, right there with the Rikudo Sennin. As he was stronger than Hashirama and Tobirama by his own admission, and since Hashirama defeated Madara in his prime. Using your brain you would find Prime Hiruzen is right there with Rikudo Sennin before he became the Juubi's host. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 09:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Young Sarutobi ==
 
 
Someone needs to post an image of Young Sarutobi from the latest Chapter.--[[User:Bartallen2|Bartallen2]] ([[User talk:Bartallen2|talk]]) 16:41, February 5, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Age ==
 
== Age ==
   
How old do you think he is? probably like 60 or something close to that.
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The first databook, which covers up to chapter 120, states that he is 68 years old. At his time of death, which happens in chapter 138, he's stated to be 69 years old. How can that be? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:10, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:Either we got a date wrong or Kishimoto can't do math. One or the other.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:22, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
::Sign ur signature. And it says it in his Inofbox:
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::I didn't check the Japanese versions of the databooks, but I doubt that it's a mistake on our side. Kishimoto didn't think that through, Hiruzen's birthday isn't even in the months when Konoha Kuzushi happened. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:29, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::The same applies for Itachi. He's 17 in Rin, but 18 in Tō, even though he must've been 18 when Konoha Kuzushi happened (and the book of Rin ended). I think Kishimoto simply made the mistake to add 1 year to every character, even though it's illogical. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:56, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Illogical perhaps but he has done pretty weird things when it comes to timelines. Seriously at this point it's a /shrug lets roll with it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:58, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
**68 - 69 (Deceased) --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 16:09, May 20, 2010 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
 
== Family Section ==
 
 
Why isn't Konohamaru Sarutobi listed in the family section of his info box?[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 05:44, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
Fixed.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 06:02, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Reign ==
 
 
Is anyone else uncomfortable with Danzo's flashback in Ch 481? People always refer to the Fourth as a young Hokage, and suddenly we're told Sarutobi becomes Hokage when he's still in his nappies (or at least waaaay before Team Sarutobi is formed). Perhaps that scene has a fairly anticlimatic end... i.e. the kids all escape, The Second beats everyone and they all live happily ever after...or at least for a few more years. {{unsigned|81.147.168.193|10:39, 2010 July 8 (UTC)}}
 
:The people who call the Fourth a young Hokage lived in an era where the Third Hokage was already very old. The Third may have been younger than the Fourth when they first became Hokage, but that is simply no longer how the people view the Third. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 12:37, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Trivia ==
 
 
If its mentioned he shares a nickname with the Sage of Six Paths, then shouldn't the fact that both use a staff be mentioned as well?
 
 
:The two staffs have almost nothing in common. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 03:21, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Retirement ==
 
 
Is it ever actually said that Hiruzen retired when Minato took office? Recent chapters indicate Hiruzen still had some amount of official responsibilities during Minato's reign. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 03:48, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
:Yes, actually, the first databook mentions it. Although, given the nature of the Hokage title, perhaps abdicated is a better word. Many abdicated monarchs are still somewhat involved with the job, helping their new successor get the hang of things and such. Especially when the new monarch has other things to worry about, like a pregnant wife about to give birth. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 11:18, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
::That's what I was thinking, but it seemed odd that he had his own personal ANBU too. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:33, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::That might be because they were still in a transition period. Those ANBU have spent most of their lives working under the Third. the Third knows what missions are going on and which ANBU are good at what. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 17:41, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Became Hokage ==
 
 
Does anybody know at what age he became hokage?
 
 
Could we add an information that he's youngest person ever elected as the hokage at his trivia?
 
 
:It has never been stated directly, but the various hints and clues point at him having been in his mid-teens to mid-twenties, with his teens being more likely.
 
:Unfortunately, without knowing the exact ages of him and the other Hokage, we cannot say he was the youngest with certainty. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 17:32, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 
::Namikaze Minato was the youngest hokage[[User:Giotis|Giotis]] ([[User talk:Giotis|talk]]) 18:46, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
:::Thank you for your well-phrased input, based in solid, indisputable facts. It has been utterly invaluable to this disc—
 
:::Oh wait, it was a random shout with no argument or facts to support it at all... Sorry 'bout that, thought you were helpful for a sec there. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 21:54, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 
::::I don't understand what you are saying.[[User:Giotis|Giotis]] ([[User talk:Giotis|talk]]) 10:15, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I'm saying your input was useless and disruptive. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 13:30, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::::::Okay it may was useless but please put it more gently.[[User:Giotis|Giotis]] ([[User talk:Giotis|talk]]) 16:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
Judging from all the manga images that show young teens and all the given height listings, comparing him when he was appointed Kage to all the other young teens. He looks like he may have been 14 maybe 15, 16 at the most from his physical looks. Was he hinted to be the youngest Kage or the youngest Hokage? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 09:36, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Facing [[Nine-Tailed Fox Menacing Ball]] ==
 
 
[[http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/33928369/10 here]] does it look like they faced the menacing ball (and surivived) while Minato was gone, or just when Minato zapped the last away and now? Finally, [[http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/33928369/11 here]], does he look to concerned? As in he could deal with it but it will be exhausting? I ask since if the answers are yes and no respectfully, this means he could deal with this attack (and how many can say that?). [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 17:19, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
:It does suggest that the Nine-Tails used more than just the shown two chakra blasts, which really isn't surprising in the slightest, as that is his main method of attack.
 
:Also, if the Third thought he or the shinobi with him couldn't handle that attack, he would have ordered everyone to leave the second he saw the Nine-Tails forming it. However, he was obviously getting exhausted, since he slumped down just as he saw the blast being formed.
 
:In other words, he wasn't in a good state, but he could at least avoid it at such a close range, if not somehow handle it. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 17:29, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Lava Release ==
 
 
It is quite evident that Hiruzen is capable of using Lava Release as shown in the battle against Orochimaru when he spit mudballs infused with fire to increase the damage of the jutsu... Do you think Lava Release should be added to Hiruzen's kekkai genkai?{{unsigned|72.27.54.21}}
 
:All he did was catch the mud of fire, he didn't mix earth and fire chakra.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 21:39, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
He did not use Lava Release, he merely used a combination of Fire Release and Earth Release. Granted it may seem one in the same, but it isn't. On top of that, wasn't it anime only?--[[User:Kagimizu|<font color="#0000FF">'''Kagi'''</font><font color="#FF0000">'''mizu'''</font>]]-[[User talk:Kagimizu|<font color="#008000">'''Seeya'''</font> <font color="#FFA500">''''round'''</font>]] 21:40, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== All techs of the hidden leaf ==
 
 
I can't remember where it is now, but someone linked a Interesting facts thread which supposedly came from the databook. onw of the facts said that sarutobi was said to have a counter for every tech in the village, including MS and EMS abilities, like Tsukuyomi. Does anyone know more about this? {{unsigned|74.229.227.219}}
 
:It's not true. The Third Hokage was said to be able to ''use'' all the techniques in Konoha. It was never said he had a counter to everything. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 10:08, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
i just looked it up on some sites and i found it on saiyenisland,can someone chack the second fanbook plz,it must be written in there {{unsigned|The tyrant kuma}}
 
 
:Do you believe everything you read online? ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 17:14, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
ShounenSuki-senpai has translated the second databook, correct? So wherever you're reading this from, it must be wrong.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:17, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
@famkck no,that is why i'm asking it..
 
and saiyenisland is mostly trustyworthy
 
--[[User:The tyrant kuma|The tyrant kuma]] ([[User talk:The tyrant kuma|talk]]) 20:59, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:And I would like this site to also be trustworthy, and not add things without a proper source. A random comment on saiyenisland saying Hiruzen could counter ''all'' of Konoha's jutsu does not count as a source. ''''' ~ [[User:Fmakck|Fmakck<sup>©</sup>]] → [[User talk:Fmakck|Talk]] → [[Special:Contributions/Fmakck|Contributions]] ~''''' 21:47, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== shinobi no kami sandaime hokage ==
 
 
I don't know where you guys find up the fact that he was named shinobi kami like sage of six paths.I was watching viz media version on jetix four years ago and nobody said it that hirunzen had nick name shinobi kami. Now maybe you know something I don't, and OK maybe I mist it about the nick name but you people compare man who had crated and revoluzionated ninjutsu the sage with hirunzen who only learned jutsu. Comparing hirunzen and sage is like comparing the creator of letters and the writter of some famous book because if creator of the letter wasn't alive the guy who wrote books could not write because there was nobody to create letters, so hirunzen wouldn't be anything wuthout the sage...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 22:16, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Databooks. Third one, if I'm not mistaken. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:48, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
Ok but still sage is more god like figure than hirunzen[[Special:Contributions/79.101.241.110|79.101.241.110]] ([[User talk:79.101.241.110|talk]]) 08:13, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Not a forum.[[User:Umishiru|Umishiru]] ([[User talk:Umishiru|talk]]) 08:16, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
Well other are also acting as if this is a forum...Naruto is not quantum physic it is a manga...[[Special:Contributions/79.101.241.110|79.101.241.110]] ([[User talk:79.101.241.110|talk]]) 15:20, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
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Kishimoto could have simply decided for Hiruzen to had been born 1 year earlier down the road, same for others. Kinda like: "when Hiruzen was x years old, this happened and it was x years ago and currently he is x years old, but wait it doesn't fit well, for something to have happened when he was 10, having it been 20 years since, he must be 30 now, not 29, so I'm gonna make him a year older"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:31, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
:No sir, this is nuclear science/cryogenics lab what is a "manga"? --[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez™]]☺ 15:41, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 
You're a funny guy, as you say, but if nuclera scienc go any further man on this site will use after that sticks...[[User:YamatoTakeru|YamatoTakeru]] ([[User talk:YamatoTakeru|talk]]) 21:22, April 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Image in his appearance ==
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On to the age thing in databooks, the FIRST entry ever, for each character, always shows their stats like height, weight, nin stats and etc from the time they are introduced in the series. So Hiruzen was 68 earlier in Naruto and 69 when he died. It is not an error. Someone needs to go to the databook pages and put an explanation on how they work.. I had to get ShounenSuki to explain it to me years ago. But yeah first entries ever for each character, their stats cover their first appearance, so for example Naruto's entry in Databook 1 said he was 12, and 145.3cm tall when Naruto appeared in the first chapter - That was his FIRST entry ever. Ok so the caps aren't for yelling btw. Did I help?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:51, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Do we really need to put that image in his appearance? --_-_-=[[User:Ilnarutoanime|NejiLoverr26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> [[File:Konohagakure_Symbol.svg|20 px]] 13:43, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
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==Elements==
:Is there a reason we shouldn't?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:06, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
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How can that be, that Hiruzen mastered all five element's??--<span style="text-shadow:#909090 3px 3px 3px; font-variant:small-caps;">[[Benutzer:Hi4uz3en|<font color=":#000018">'''Hiruシン'''</font>]]</span><sup>[[Benutzer Diskussion:Hi4uz3en|<font color="#FF5000">(Dissi) ^^*</font>]]</sup> 14:12, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
::Yeah, Hiruzen always wear that, except in combat. --_-_-=[[User:Ilnarutoanime|NejiLoverr26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> [[File:Konohagakure_Symbol.svg|20 px]] 14:23, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::I don't understand. If he always wears it except for in combat, how does that make it a non-necessity?--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:51, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::If I'm not mistaken, we put image in his appearance if the character shows another outfit, for example, Temari. --_-_-=[[User:Ilnarutoanime|NejiLoverr26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> [[File:Konohagakure_Symbol.svg|20 px]] 03:56, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::No. It was only agreed that we use full body images go in the appearance section like in [[Kurenai]]'s article for example. Except for some special cases like the time-skip with the "[[Konoha 11]]".--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]] [[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 04:03, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::::Oh.. okay, I got it. --_-_-=[[User:Ilnarutoanime|NejiLoverr26]] <sup> ([[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Ilnarutoanime|Contribs.]]-[[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Links]]) </sup> [[File:Konohagakure_Symbol.svg|20 px]] 04:18, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== When he became Hokage ==
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It never mentioned him mastering all 5, he mastered earth release and fire release. He just uses the other 3. Munchvtec 14:15, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
   
Should it be mentioned that he became Hokage before he had turned 20.--[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 22:07, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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yeah, but I find that illogical, just Rikudo Sennin can use all five elements, or not?--<span style="text-shadow:#909090 3px 3px 3px; font-variant:small-caps;">[[Benutzer:Hi4uz3en|<font color=":#000018">'''Hiruシン'''</font>]]</span><sup>[[Benutzer Diskussion:Hi4uz3en|<font color="#FF5000">(Dissi) ^^*</font>]]</sup> 14:19, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:No. Every ninja can master all five natures. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:23, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Actually I'm confused about the date myself ... in both early anime and manga, he looked like 10 when he was told that from tomorrow on he is the Hokage but later it happened when he was like 15-16+ when 2nd Hokage was about to die and told Hiruzen he is the Hokage now
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It just takes a lot of skill. Munchvtec 14:52, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:45, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I haven't seen the earlier time, but it's confirmed that he was hokage before he turned 23-24, going off that and those flashbacks, it's not speculation that he was hokage before turning 20, I'd probably go with the more recent flashback as being canon now, just because Danzo was in the flashback.--[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 23:14, February 28, 2012 (UTC)
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It is just realistically only a Rinnegan user can master all five, Hituzen merely used them. Use is not mastery. [[User:Benknightprime|&#34;Allons-y!&#34;]] ([[User talk:Benknightprime|talk]]) 15:03, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
In the early anime and manga he was being groomed to become a Hokage since apparently they took special interest/notice in him he was never said to be Hokage there. Also where was his age of taking up office confirmed at any point O.o His age is a range and all we would know is his age during the Nine-Tails' attack on Konoha and an assumption of how old he would be going back from there.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 03:37, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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If you read the discussion, I already said that. Munchvtec 15:07, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
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:Stop that, Munchi. Benknightprime, to master means to learn how to use them, regardless of how good. It was always clear that anyone could learn all natures, the Rinnegan fastens the progress, nothing else. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:17, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
It's said on the Sannin page that they were six at that point and Hiruzen was already the Hokage, so there's confirmation of when he was definitely the hokage which is about 23-24.--[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 05:16, February 29, 2012 (UTC)
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Just call me Munch not munchi lol and btw, mastering is not the same as using. For Example: playing a video game is not mastering it if you don't know how to play it though you can still "USE" that game. Munchvtec 15:28, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec
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:"to master" means to learn to a high degree of proficiency. Hiruzen did just that. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:37, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::And unless I'm wrong, the Rinnegan gives the user natural access to all basic Nature Transformations. The Third had to learn whatever release was not his affinity. Nagato could just do it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:05, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Yes, you are wrong. Rinnegan just makes it easier to learn, doesn't give anything--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:10, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Strongest Hokage ? ==
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Ummm, Hiruzen used Wind Release Stream, right? shouldn't that be listed on the jutsu he uses? The other stream attacks are listed.....--[[User:Deathmailrock|Deathmailrock]] ([[User talk:Deathmailrock|talk]]) 07:31, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
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:It's there--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:11, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
   
What happened with that with the current revelation of Hashirama being the strongest shinobi in history right after Sage ?
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== Make names for the techniques he used ==
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 02:36, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
It was never said that Hashirama was the strongest shinobi after the Sage. Not once. What was said was that his strength was held as mythical as the Sage's existence was. Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage has been stated in like every databook. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 03:34, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
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Shouldn't we make articles for the techniques the hiruzen and spiral zetsu used? Just something simple like earth release stream lightning release stream, etc.--[[User:AsianInvasion711|AsianInvasion711]] ([[User talk:AsianInvasion711|talk]]) 03:16, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:Been there since the chapter came out. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:30, January 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
It was said that no shinobi comparable to his strength are around these days and was said to be stronger than Madara himself thus I don't see how could Hiruzen be the best back in the day. His power was said to be a mythos as people take it as fairy tales these days just like the Sage.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 03:47, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
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== Naruto-Sasuke comments ==
:hiruzen fight the fist and the second alone in a weaken state from the old age beating the two kage using the death seal on three people plus the shadow clone plus earth and fire high level tecnique. so i think is stronger that the first in his prime, but not stronger that madara powered up by orocimaru.--[[User:Nitram86|Nitram86]] ([[User talk:Nitram86|talk]]) 09:34, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
They were brainwashed puppets of Orochimaru and were not fighting their best obviously.
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"After his reincarnation during the Fourth Shinobi World War, both Naruto and Sasuke, each becoming highly capable and recognised shinobi themselves, would go on to praise his sheer prowess soon after seeing him in action"
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:34, March 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage. This has been stated as fact in every databook. Hashirama's strength has simply been expanded on;this doesn't negate those statements. Kabuto said that no '''currently living''' shinobi was on Hashirama's level, which implies that there once were some on his level, with Hiruzen being known to be above him. Hashirama's strength was referred to as being as mythical as the existence of the Sage of the Six Paths was. However, Hiruzen was thought of as a God in his prime. Obviously godlike trumps mythical. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 08:55, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
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If you check the citation out (chapter 632, page 10), you'll notice that Naruto and Sasuke never said such things about the third.
:Though I agree with Skitts. Just because recent events have come to light doesn't mean everything that was said about the other Hokage were untrue. I will however correct that "mythical" and "godlike" are somewhat the same in terms of how Kishimoto wants it to sound. Not that I believe any of this should concern the wikia too much.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 10:00, March 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Infobox Image ==
 
   
I was perusing an episode and I saw an image of Hiruzen that could possibly replace the one in his infobox. He has his hat on and everything, so you can't really see his hair and there's a slight shadow over his face as a result, but I think the image in his appearance section deals with that issue. [http://oi43.tinypic.com/34o6hpu.jpg Here's a sample of the image] - it's more centric and there's no poncho making him look like [[Condor]] or that annoying bead of sweat e_e What say ye? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:05, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
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--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 19:47, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
:I opt for that image. It shows him wearing the Kage Kasa.--[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 01:12, April 16, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
   
I see no problem with the current image, I find it better--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:22, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I think it's better to be add in the Hokage's article. —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 01:44, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
Yes, the current Hiruzen's picture shows whole of his face and head--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:53, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
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The part about his chakra levels was mentioned in chapter 120 too, not just the the anime episode (episode 71).
:Ah but his head never left. Also, [[:File:Sarutobi Hiruzen.jpeg|this]].--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]]
 
::But that is in his article already! —[[User:IndxcvNovelist|Indxcv]][[w:c:Naruto:User:IndxcvNovelist/Links|Novelist]] ([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|Talk to Me]]) 02:33, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::That's was the point of it. I'm showing you that there's an image in there that shows his "head"— hair and all.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:56, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
Bump.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:55, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
::::I think a picture of him with the full Kage garb would be appropriate. I also think a picture of him smiling would be the best thing ever, so personally a picture like the one first mentioned here would be awesome.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 14:30, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
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--[[User:Jingo12|Jingo12]] ([[User talk:Jingo12|talk]]) 20:03, January 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Bump again? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:35, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
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== The streams ==
   
:I prefer it too.--[[User:Kind-Hearted-One|Kind-Hearted-One]] ([[User talk:Kind-Hearted-One|talk]]) 11:09, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
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I wasn't going to bring this up because I couldn't really find an article that would fit the discussion and for a secondary reason that may be obvious to some. Any way, why did we create stream articles when Hiruzen used all 5 natures? It seems like whoever created the other articles did so because we had Wind Release Stream which was only created because Danzō was using wind to maneuver himself in mid air. Having those technique articles is like saying Water Release: Water Release — it's what's supposed to happen when they use those techniques. Personally I don't see the sense in having them aside from padding Hiruzen's infobox.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:57, February 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Links ==
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:The wiki is hardly foreign to the practice. Sage Art: Fire Release Stream, [[Wind Release Slash]], [[Water Release: Pillar Encirclement]], [[Earth Release: Tunnelling Technique]], etc. Some of them have grades of uniqueness, but at the end of the day they only signify that X character can use Y nature. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 05:01, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
I added wind style (which according to asuma he did have) but I can't link it to the necessary page. Suggestions? ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:01, March 15, 2013 (UTC))
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::Still on this, wouldn't it be fine hen if we list him as a user of techniques we actually have like the water bullet or the great flame technique that we saw the other Sarutobi use? There is also the wind release technique we saw a Konoha-nin use. This would at least alleviate the generically named techniques. Thought? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:20, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I suggested the same thing, Munchi disagreed tho--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:47, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Well I'd like to hear if others would concede to it. It's not like we don't already so the reverse.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:10, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::It's my feeling that he doesn't need a jutsu at all, named or not. The nature icons should suffice. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 03:42, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::: Agreed with Snapper. What did he do, exactly? Launch each nature from his mouth? Dandy. Add the icons, mention he can use them in the abilities section, and leave it at that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 03:57, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
In what instance has He been stated to use Wind Release?--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:05, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sensor ==
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When was it shown that Hiruzen was a sensor? --[[User:Youngjusticeplayer007|Youngjusticeplayer007]] ([[User talk:Youngjusticeplayer007|talk]]) 15:52, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
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: In the latest chapter I believe. He sensed that Madaras chakra disappeared. --[[User:Kasan94|<font color="#3B0B0B">'''Kasan94'''</font>]] [[File:Nara Symbol.svg|20px]] <sub>[[User_talk:Kasan94|''Talkpage'']]</sub> 15:56, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
During the shinobi guardian 12 arc Asuma told Naruto that his father, the third had wind style. Naruto said that this made him feel closer to the old man. ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 04:14, March 15, 2013 (UTC))
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: But it's nothing we've haven't seen before. Hebi/Taka were able to feel Naruto's chakra a country away because it was so potent. Madara had the ten-tails which is even more potent than Naruto's nine-tails so it would make sense plus in the article of [[Sensing]] it even says "various characters have commented on the feel of chakra and similar comments regarding the ability to sense high or potent levels of chakra a little, leading to the possibility that chakra sensing is merely a more refined version of this by either teaching or being simply born more 'sensitive'." --[[User:Youngjusticeplayer007|Youngjusticeplayer007]] ([[User talk:Youngjusticeplayer007|talk]]) 16:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
: Please give me the episode number. I'm pretty sure Naruto was simply saying that He felt close to the 3rd because His son had it too.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 04:20, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: I don't know the episode number but I'll see if I can find it. I've been meaning to rewatch that arc anyway but this may take a few days. ([[User:Evilpuppy|Evilpuppy]] ([[User talk:Evilpuppy|talk]]) 03:19, March 16, 2013 (UTC))
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At this point it has become hard as **** to differentiate between sensors and stuff everyone can sense to an extent--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:46, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
:: Take your time.--[[User:Yomiko-chan|Yomiko-chan]] ([[User talk:Yomiko-chan|talk]]) 03:54, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:As for the link, put it in this form:
 
:Wind Release~anime
 
:That should do it.'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 04:05, March 16, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Personality Edit

Should it be mentioned in his personality that he didnt want to deal with the dark side of shinobi/world and that he intrusted danzo with thoughs task? 173.20.170.66 (talk) 03:08, May 21, 2013 (UTC) NaruHina4ever

Done.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 01:34, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

How about this: "In the anime, this was enforced by the fact that no matter how great Danzō's crimes, which included an attempt to assassinate him, Hiruzen could not bring himself to punish him, unable to accept that Danzō was no longer the childhood friend he once knew. " Justin Holland (talk) 01:49, March 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hiruzen also considered himself a failure among the Hokage for being too being inattentive to Naruto during his childhood, and Sasuke Uchiha after the Uchiha Clan Massacre. Justin Holland (talk)

Water Release Edit

Doesn't he have water release due to his Wood Jutsu? 71.84.172.244 (talk) 05:20, May 26, 2013 (UTC) Tierein

Hiruzen does not use the wood style he's never been shown use It and never mentioned to --ROOT 根 (talk) 05:43, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
It is Hashirama who has wood release. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 05:46, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Ōnoki Edit

how about add that Hiruzen Sarutobi meet Ōnoki sometime in his life, cause he knows Ōnoki'sDust Release ?--—This unsigned comment was made by Abdulrahman Al-Otaibi (talkcontribs) .

It's only natural for Hiruzen to know him, both are/were Kage and their villages fought against each other during the Third Shinobi World War.Norleon (talk) 14:09, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Cerez ordered me to tell you that there's no way for two 1000 year old men not to know each other, just relaying a message like a good boy.--Elveonora (talk) 15:51, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
And with that, everything is said and we can forget this topic forevermore.Norleon (talk) 16:15, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
Knowing is one thing, meeting is other, i know who Kishimoto is, but i never met him. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 16:26, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Shuriken Edit

I was thinking that we add to his page that he was able to instantly summon/bring fourth shuriken. I find it odd that an Edo tensei, was able to get fuma shuriken like that. Same goes for Minato and his ftg kunai. But unlike Minato, Hiruzen actually had a panel of his summoning the shuriken, then making clones of them. (in the new chapter btw). Even if we don't give him the Lightning Blade Creation , we could mention it in his page. In addition, we need to make a shuriken subheading for him. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 17:26, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

I'm actually not sure what to do about this. I'd rather not create an unnamed technique for his ability to summon shuriken, while at the same time I'm pretty sure its not Lightning Blade Creation. I'm also not too keen on adding a "Shurikenjutsu" section just yet. After all, the only thing of note that he's actually done with shuriken is use Shuriken Shadow Clone Technique, which, in and of itself, is not that impressive nor noteworthy. All of that is already mentioned. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 17:48, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
You don't think we should mention that he could summon shuriken? If i'm not mistaken, Edo Zombies don't carry items, only clothes. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 17:51, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
You forget, Mangetsu had all of the swords of the Swordsman in a scroll which he already had. Deidara had his clay. Hanzō had his kusarigama. So on and so forth. Its not uncommon for them to have weapons sealed on their body too, like Sasuke did against Itachi. What I'm getting at is, we don't know if he summoned the shuriken, or already had them sealed in a tag somewhere on him, or if he used another method. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 17:55, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
  • Kabuto gathered the swords in the scroll (note the missing Samehada)
  • Who knows what Hanzo did
  • Hiruzen actually summoned the shuriken, hence the puff of smoke around it, before he threw it and replicated it.

That much was shown. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 18:01, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

That's not proof of him summoning it. Sasuke and Tenten unsealing the weapons from various objects also resulted in a poof of smoke, and Sasuke had it on his wrist, in particular, so it also made it look like a summoning. Also, that may be true as far as the swords, but that still doesn't account for Hanzō, Minato, Deidara, and now Hiruzen. We simply don't enough to make an conclusive decisions. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:05, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Hanzo and Deidara both do something different. In everyother instance, including Sasuke and Tenten, when a ninja tool is summoned, it is the result of a technique. In Sasuke's case, Lightning Blade Creation, and in Tenten's, Generic Sealing Technique. The only thing Hiruzen doesn't have, is a defined way he summoned his tool. Idk, I would add a technique like Ninja Tool Summoning, for those unexplained item summonings. Then add Gen. Seal. Tech. as a parent. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 18:21, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
That seems unnecessary to me, but I'll wait for others to weigh in. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 18:31, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Or simply add the Generic Sealing Technique, which is the staple for ninja weapon summoning techniques, instead of making a new one...we don't know if the Hokages stopped at any moment to re-supply their weapon arsenals or if what Hanzo and Deidara do is unique, if Kabuto resuplied them with weapons or if it's connected to the Hokages weapon use...there's simply too little to go on. To me he simply brought out a weapon, same show almost everyother ninja does in battle. Darksusanoo (talk) 18:34, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

No, we see everyone pulling their items outta their sack or bag, on their person. What Hiruzen did was summon the Fuma Shuriken. Regardless if Hiruzen resupplied himself with weaponry, he still summoned the shuriken. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 18:40, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It's either fuuinjutsu or summoning technique, but no scroll or tattoo can be seen. He did it with only 1 free hand behind his back, so he likely pulled it out from his fart hole--Elveonora (talk) 19:47, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

It's not the first time that things like these have been seen, shinobi summoning weapons out of seemingly nowhere. It's these kinds of things we aren't supposed to stress and just accept that it was summoned. We weren't anywhere near him to see what he did, the same way Sakon summoned a kunai out of seemingly nowhere during his battle with Raidō and Genma. There's nothing here worth mentioning or overly stressing about.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 19:52, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
I remember the Sakon&Ukon kunai thingy, but can't find it. Can you direct me over the talk?--Elveonora (talk) 20:00, July 20, 2013 (UTC)
Chapter 185 pages 3-4.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:27, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Just to give my simple opinion, it looks like he summoned the shuriken, but thats not a big think, like other users said, it is a normal thing. Dan.Faulkner (talk) 20:10, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

If you read the first part of the Lightning Blade Creation article you'll see that all that is, is a specialised version of the ninja tool summon. Logically it's a convenient way to carry a lot of weapons and have them at your disposal without weighing you down.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:30, July 20, 2013 (UTC)

Unless the story itself shows or hints at it being something more than generic sealing, I see no reason to think it's something unique or more complex. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:16, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Stopping summoning Edit

In Naruto Episode 69, doesn't Hiruzen try to stop Orochimaru from summoning the Fourth Hokage by using Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation, but later it didn't need to be stopped because the Fourth Hokage is sealed by the Dead Demon Consuming Seal along with the Yin Chakra portion of the Nine-Tailed Fox/Kurama. --Jumbojetlaser (talk) 10:47, October 2, 2013 (UTC)Jumbojetlaser

Age Edit

The first databook, which covers up to chapter 120, states that he is 68 years old. At his time of death, which happens in chapter 138, he's stated to be 69 years old. How can that be? Seelentau 愛 10:10, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Either we got a date wrong or Kishimoto can't do math. One or the other.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:22, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
I didn't check the Japanese versions of the databooks, but I doubt that it's a mistake on our side. Kishimoto didn't think that through, Hiruzen's birthday isn't even in the months when Konoha Kuzushi happened. Seelentau 愛 12:29, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
The same applies for Itachi. He's 17 in Rin, but 18 in Tō, even though he must've been 18 when Konoha Kuzushi happened (and the book of Rin ended). I think Kishimoto simply made the mistake to add 1 year to every character, even though it's illogical. Seelentau 愛 12:56, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
Illogical perhaps but he has done pretty weird things when it comes to timelines. Seriously at this point it's a /shrug lets roll with it.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:58, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Kishimoto could have simply decided for Hiruzen to had been born 1 year earlier down the road, same for others. Kinda like: "when Hiruzen was x years old, this happened and it was x years ago and currently he is x years old, but wait it doesn't fit well, for something to have happened when he was 10, having it been 20 years since, he must be 30 now, not 29, so I'm gonna make him a year older"--Elveonora (talk) 13:31, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

On to the age thing in databooks, the FIRST entry ever, for each character, always shows their stats like height, weight, nin stats and etc from the time they are introduced in the series. So Hiruzen was 68 earlier in Naruto and 69 when he died. It is not an error. Someone needs to go to the databook pages and put an explanation on how they work.. I had to get ShounenSuki to explain it to me years ago. But yeah first entries ever for each character, their stats cover their first appearance, so for example Naruto's entry in Databook 1 said he was 12, and 145.3cm tall when Naruto appeared in the first chapter - That was his FIRST entry ever. Ok so the caps aren't for yelling btw. Did I help?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:51, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

ElementsEdit

How can that be, that Hiruzen mastered all five element's??--Hiruシン(Dissi) ^^* 14:12, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

It never mentioned him mastering all 5, he mastered earth release and fire release. He just uses the other 3. Munchvtec 14:15, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

yeah, but I find that illogical, just Rikudo Sennin can use all five elements, or not?--Hiruシン(Dissi) ^^* 14:19, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

No. Every ninja can master all five natures. Seelentau 愛 14:23, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

It just takes a lot of skill. Munchvtec 14:52, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

It is just realistically only a Rinnegan user can master all five, Hituzen merely used them. Use is not mastery. "Allons-y!" (talk) 15:03, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

If you read the discussion, I already said that. Munchvtec 15:07, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

Stop that, Munchi. Benknightprime, to master means to learn how to use them, regardless of how good. It was always clear that anyone could learn all natures, the Rinnegan fastens the progress, nothing else. Seelentau 愛 15:17, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Just call me Munch not munchi lol and btw, mastering is not the same as using. For Example: playing a video game is not mastering it if you don't know how to play it though you can still "USE" that game. Munchvtec 15:28, January 22, 2014 (UTC)munchvtec

"to master" means to learn to a high degree of proficiency. Hiruzen did just that. Seelentau 愛 15:37, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
And unless I'm wrong, the Rinnegan gives the user natural access to all basic Nature Transformations. The Third had to learn whatever release was not his affinity. Nagato could just do it.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 17:05, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
Yes, you are wrong. Rinnegan just makes it easier to learn, doesn't give anything--Elveonora (talk) 17:10, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Ummm, Hiruzen used Wind Release Stream, right? shouldn't that be listed on the jutsu he uses? The other stream attacks are listed.....--Deathmailrock (talk) 07:31, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

It's there--Elveonora (talk) 11:11, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Make names for the techniques he used Edit

Shouldn't we make articles for the techniques the hiruzen and spiral zetsu used? Just something simple like earth release stream lightning release stream, etc.--AsianInvasion711 (talk) 03:16, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Been there since the chapter came out. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 04:30, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto-Sasuke comments Edit

"After his reincarnation during the Fourth Shinobi World War, both Naruto and Sasuke, each becoming highly capable and recognised shinobi themselves, would go on to praise his sheer prowess soon after seeing him in action"

If you check the citation out (chapter 632, page 10), you'll notice that Naruto and Sasuke never said such things about the third.


--Jingo12 (talk) 19:47, January 26, 2014 (UTC)


The part about his chakra levels was mentioned in chapter 120 too, not just the the anime episode (episode 71).

--Jingo12 (talk) 20:03, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

The streams Edit

I wasn't going to bring this up because I couldn't really find an article that would fit the discussion and for a secondary reason that may be obvious to some. Any way, why did we create stream articles when Hiruzen used all 5 natures? It seems like whoever created the other articles did so because we had Wind Release Stream which was only created because Danzō was using wind to maneuver himself in mid air. Having those technique articles is like saying Water Release: Water Release — it's what's supposed to happen when they use those techniques. Personally I don't see the sense in having them aside from padding Hiruzen's infobox.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 15:57, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

The wiki is hardly foreign to the practice. Sage Art: Fire Release Stream, Wind Release Slash, Water Release: Pillar Encirclement, Earth Release: Tunnelling Technique, etc. Some of them have grades of uniqueness, but at the end of the day they only signify that X character can use Y nature. ~SnapperTo 05:01, February 10, 2014 (UTC)
Still on this, wouldn't it be fine hen if we list him as a user of techniques we actually have like the water bullet or the great flame technique that we saw the other Sarutobi use? There is also the wind release technique we saw a Konoha-nin use. This would at least alleviate the generically named techniques. Thought? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 21:20, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
I suggested the same thing, Munchi disagreed tho--Elveonora (talk) 22:47, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
Well I'd like to hear if others would concede to it. It's not like we don't already so the reverse.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:10, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
It's my feeling that he doesn't need a jutsu at all, named or not. The nature icons should suffice. ~SnapperTo 03:42, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Agreed with Snapper. What did he do, exactly? Launch each nature from his mouth? Dandy. Add the icons, mention he can use them in the abilities section, and leave it at that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 03:57, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Sensor Edit

When was it shown that Hiruzen was a sensor? --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 15:52, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

In the latest chapter I believe. He sensed that Madaras chakra disappeared. --Kasan94 Nara Symbol Talkpage 15:56, June 14, 2014 (UTC)
But it's nothing we've haven't seen before. Hebi/Taka were able to feel Naruto's chakra a country away because it was so potent. Madara had the ten-tails which is even more potent than Naruto's nine-tails so it would make sense plus in the article of Sensing it even says "various characters have commented on the feel of chakra and similar comments regarding the ability to sense high or potent levels of chakra a little, leading to the possibility that chakra sensing is merely a more refined version of this by either teaching or being simply born more 'sensitive'." --Youngjusticeplayer007 (talk) 16:12, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

At this point it has become hard as **** to differentiate between sensors and stuff everyone can sense to an extent--Elveonora (talk) 17:46, June 14, 2014 (UTC)

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