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It's been 11+ years without nutrition. I think it's safe to change his status to deceased. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 17:10, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:Moreover, he was cloned by Kabuto, so he should be good as dead already. --[[User:Rautamiekka|Rautamiekka]] ([[User talk:Rautamiekka|talk]]) 17:14, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::Thank you. I agree. But for those iffy for a reason I couldn't imagine for, we should at least be able to agree to "Presumed Deceased". --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Firstly, to clone someone, you don't necessarily need them to be dead. By this logic, Naruto's Nine-Tails clone couldn't be created cause Naruto was still alive. Secondly, it's just an anime arc, which isn't completely canon compared to the manga. And about the topic - we don't know exacly how long Hidan has to be without nutrition to die for sure. It could be either 1 year or the whole 100 years. So we can't say for sure he's already dead. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 17:25, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::: I never said he has to be dead to be cloned. It's unlikely he's alive after dozen years without anything to digest even by being immortal against conventional damage. --[[User:Rautamiekka|Rautamiekka]] ([[User talk:Rautamiekka|talk]]) 17:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::What is the harm of at least putting "Presumed Deceased" though? Although Hidan ihas immortality, being able to survive deadly attacks and such, that even without eating for long periods of time 10+ years, he'd still be alive. Other than the fact that from his burial several moths back before the war, he apparently was still alive, apparently or maybe Hidan didn't want him but let's be positive. Either way, it was given intel that he needs to eat to survive and if that's the case, since he hasn't gotten to right nutrients in a decade or so, believing he is dead is most suitable, aka "Presumed Deceased" for all you opposers for "Deceased". --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Funny, I can't remember when reader opinions began to outweigh official statements made by the mangaka himself. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:45, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::You should check out all the Hiruzen, Itachi and Nagato related threads then Seelentau, these weaboo's are getting out of control. They actually think their opinions outweigh Kishi and his facts xD [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 22:17, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::As far as the series is concerned, he is still incapacitated. Could he have died? Maybe. Do we know for sure? Nope. For all we know, he got out the whole and left the country to murder people in peace.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:57, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::How are we going against the manga? Durung the war it was speculated that he was alive but accordibg to the second fanbook, he needs to eat to survive and the likely hood of him being alive is low so there should be no problem to put Presumed Deceased at least. Also, don't get me started on a few characters people put as Presumed Deceased although it wasn't confirmed them being dead is likely. And I do mean manga debuted characters. Hyprocritical much. Smh --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 23:16, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:How is listing Hidan dead any different from listing Butsuma Senju deceased? Both are logically dead. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:54, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::Because Hidan was specifically stated to be alive and Kakuzu wondering where his partner was supports it. That's the last information we got on him, so we go with it. Butsuma Senju was no supernatural freak with demonic powers, the last time I checked. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Said to be alive at the time. That's a valid argument to keep his status from changing during the war, not a decade later. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 00:12, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Most recent specifically made statement on the status of a characters, correct. Basically, Hidan is more alive than Inoichi and Shikaku are dead. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:53, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Yes from 10 or more years in the past in Naruto's rime. Also, we have no proof that Hidan not being apart of Kabuto's army, means he was dead. I mean if he was still alive and Kabuto apparently lnowd where he is why didn't he just repair him and bring him to war? Easy answer. Because he obviously didn't care to. I mean he could've revived Konan too, but did he? No. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 01:11, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Kabuto didn't know where Hidan was buried and as Shikamaru said, no one would even be able to reach Hidan because it's Nara's property. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:55, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::Like that's gonna stop Kabuto. How do you explain how he was able to get Dan, Asuma, Third Raikage? He obviously went to their graves and stope their corpses. We have no reaaon to believe Hidan is still alive after so many years despite it bring said he needs to eat to survive. You gping off speculation in the manga and anime but when facts are presented then there is a problem. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:20, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::But it is a fact that he is alive. Kishimoto said so. You don't present facts, you present your own opinion about the state of things, despite a contradicting statement from the mangaka. That's all there is to say, really. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:29, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::Did Kishimoto say that anytime after the war ended? Manga, databook, etc. I don't think so. It is naive to believe he is still alive despite not being able to eat. We don't know how long he can go without eating but 12+ years is a lot of time. It is at least suitable to put Presumed Deceased. It's both giving that he maybe is alive or maybe dead. It's a win-win. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 19:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:If we don't know how long he can go without eating, then why are we presuming so in the first place and presuming he is dead? While I'm aware that 11+ years without nutrition is a loooong time, the fact of the matter is, it was never stated how long Hidan can survive without nutrition. Maybe he can go 6 years without nutrition. Maybe he can go 44 years without nutrition. We don't know. And while I'm aware that going decades without nutrition and still living is illogical, this is a fictional universe, and where many things are illogical from the real world's perspective.<br> All we know is that the last thing stated about Hidan regarding his status is that he is alive. Maybe he did die of malnutrition years after the war. Or maybe he did get out somehow and is terrorizing someplace else. How long can he go without nutrition? The fact of the matter is, we don't know. All that was factually stated about him is that, he is immortal, only malnutrition can kill him, and he was still alive in the war. We just don't know how long he can go without malnutrition, so the best thing we can use is what was last stated about him, not to presume how long Hidan can survive without malnutrition by ourselves. <br> If we are presuming Hidan is dead, the harm is that we are also presuming how long he can go without nutrition, which would be roughly over decade, despite that never being stated, despite it being stated he is immortal, and despite it being said he is alive. ''We don't know.'' All we know is that one thing was stated. So we can't presume otherwise. Even if it is illogical and nonsensical for him to still be alive, this is again, a fictional universe. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:56, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::Last time I checked, head alone couldn't do anything by itself...--[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 19:59, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Head alone couldn't control his body, but it could still speak and whatnot... (Chapter 325) {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 20:04, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Let me rephrase: head alone couldn't do anything USEFUL by itself. Also, there's tons of earth, rock and dirt covering the head. I don't see Hidan doing much of talking down in the hole. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 20:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Like others have stated, if we don't know then we don't know. He could eat grubs and all kinds crap down there. It rains and he gets water too so...... [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:19, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::...Which wouldn't help Hidan at all, since all that grub and water would simply go through his throat to outside the head. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 15:45, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::We simply dont know how his body works. He's to be listed presumed as that would be the most accurate thing for us to do. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 17:33, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::Its been 11+ years since we saw Jiraiya sinking to the bottom of Amegakure, should we also list him as Incapacitated since we don't know his lung capacity within this fictional universe? For all we know is he could be down there to this very day holding his breath. Also the length of human lives has never been established, but yet we list Butsuma dying of old age. While its a fictional universe, we don't get to say this and this makes sense to be a cause of death in real life, so we'll list it as such, but turn a blind eye when it comes to dying of malnutrition. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 21:07, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::It's actually poor comparison, cause Jiraya is still a regular human in Narutoverse, while Hidan isn't an ordinary one by all means. In Narutoverse noone demonstrated the ability to survive decapitation, aside from one person - namely, Hidan. We know the limits of an ordinary human in Narutoverse, but most of them do not apply to someone, and this someone is again Hidan. So, again, we can't say for sure if he lives or not cause noone could survive being blown up to pieces in this universe so far (perhaps, aside from TTJ-Madara, yet he was never decapitated at the same time). [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 21:39, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::::That is a very poor comparison. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:49, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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:I think it's interesting, Hidan's condition that is. Hidan can survive deadly attacks and live, hardly shown any sign of pain, but when it comes to nutrition, it is where he sharea a common trait with normal shinobi. We have no proof that he can survive this long without food just because he can survive attacks. That's making preferable comparisons without proof. We don't even know if Hidan was alive during the 4th war. For all we know Kabuto probably didn't wantnto revive him. Are we to say just because he surives attacks, he's faster, stronger and smarter than normal shinobi. We say presumed deceased for Ni's dogs. Why? Because they were getting chakra drained from them. We have no solid proof that they were killed. Shoot we have no solid proof that Karenbana died against Sakura's punch. She could have just been knocked out. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 01:07, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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::I agree with you on them but there is a fine line between them and Hidan. Feel free to change the others. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 01:43, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Still grasping straws here with Hidan. We have no solod proof that Hidan is still alive and was even alive in the war. This all because Kakuzu who said he is still alive. We are going to take Kakuzu's word on a subject that is ultimately decided by Kabuto. Like I said, Kabuto probably didn't feel the need to use Hidan if he did die. Or maybe Kabuto didn't know where he was buried despite Kabuto being able to retreive other bodies that you think are secure with no problem. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:27, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Its not a poor caparison because Hidan like everyone is a normal person in terms of malnutrition. And Kakuzu's statement shouldn't way on his status since he questioned it, not confirm it. He could of taken Kisame and Konan's absent as proof as being alive and look how accurate that would be. And if statements like that should way in on his status, we should take into account Ino's statement in the same chapter about him rotting. The last time i checked, rotting is a word associated with dead people. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 04:33, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Well Saru, Kakuzu didn't know Konan died nor if Kisame was still alive but the fact is how would Kakuzu know Hidan was still alive? Did he just "know" that if he was Hidan was dead, he would be brought back with him? All it was, was a assumption. Based on my explanations of several instances to Hidan's status, compared to a sadly very poor reason, what is you guys' take on this now? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 06:18, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Bump. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 06:49, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::This is still going on? What's so hard to understand about "Your opinion does not outweigh an official statement by the mangaka"? It doesn't matter how sound your logic is or how good your arguments are. This isn't a fan wiki. If we'd go by opinions, Gaara would still be a Magnet Release user. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:40, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::he is becuase he is still listed as one lool [[User:Geschlechtsverkehr|Geschlechtsverkehr]] ([[User talk:Geschlechtsverkehr|talk]]) 15:11, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::Not to be the killjoy, but this is actually a fan wiki, because it's built by fans for fans and nobody here is paid to contribute towards this wiki and is run by fans in our own time. We just simply choose to cover the canonical events and not allow people to post their own, made up fanon that hasn't been stated in a medium here. This also just happens to be the longest standing canonical wiki so many people come here, but it's certainly not a wiki run by a corporation, which would make the wiki official.
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:::::::::If this was an official wiki, it wouldn't be hosted on Wikia and would be run by Studio Pierrot/WSJ and fans would almost certainly not be allowed to contribute on it. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] ([[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]]) 15:16, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::::You know exactly what I meant. :P • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:45, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::::Indeed. :P --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] ([[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]]) 16:26, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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Except what Kakuzu said was just an opinion and one that makes no sense given the circumstances I just said. @Tau And technically Gaara is a Magnet Release user anyway via novel :p. When info doesn't make sense we have always tried to make the best way to clear the situation, even if that meant putting the info in trivia while keeping things on the right track. This is no different so stop trying to make it. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:24, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:What Kakuzu said wasn't an opinion. It's not his opinion that Hidan wasn't there, it was a fact and Kakuzu noted it. This is commonly used by the author to tell the reader something, in our case, it's about Hidan's whereabouts. This, coupled with the fact that Kishimoto stated earlier that Hidan is still alive and the fact that no one of us knows how long he stays alive without nutrients or following his cult's ways is more than enough to keep him as ''Alive''. We#ll just have to deal with the fact that Kishimoto's crappy storytelling left us with a lot of open ends. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:00, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::Kakuzu didn't note his status, he questioned it. I would understand not changing his status if kishimoto said that his cults way effected his nutrition status, but he didn't. When it comes to malnutrition, him being immortal to attacks and etc is irrelevant. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 01:46, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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:::True. I just reread the chapter and he questioned if Hidan was alive because he wasn't there although again there are multiple divisions with reanimated people he didn't know it apparently. You say that is the author's way of letting us know Hidan's status but that's not solid proof, just your assumption just like Kakuzu. If a person in Naruto said I wonder if Jiraiya is still alive because they couldn't find his body, would you say, change his status to "Incapicitated"? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:26, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Hidan isn't like Jiraiya though, he's a very unique case. Last official word we got was that he was still alive, so alive should be his assumed status by default. We shouldn't need additional proof he is still alive to list him as such, we should need proof he is dead in order to change it.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 07:08, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Except if you read his statement, you would know that he was wondering if Hidan was alive because he didn't show up with him (as apparently he just knew Hidan would be reanimated by Kabuto). Some suggests that it is the author's way of saying Hidan is alive. Yet that is only the fans interpretation of it. I guess like us presuming he is dead would be. We have no solid proof that he survives longer than regular humans when it comes to malnutrition so putting "Presumed Deceased" at the very least makes sense. It gives you the kbowledge that he is most likely dead but it is not certain. We are believing just because he endures critical damage he can endure a longer time without food which again is no proof of that.
   
hidan is still alive since kabuto diddnt resurect him, unless he is the 6th coffin that w didnt see the face of the person, which i doubt since madara was suprised to see{{unsigned|75.198.141.234}}
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:We already know Hidan is alive, that's why his infobox says "Incapacitated" instead of "Deceased". [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 15:38, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== kills ==
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:::::So are we in agreement on putting "Presumed Deceasee" based on not very reliable proof? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:04, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
 
isnt hidan the second person showed on screen with the most kills first being pain{{unsigned|75.198.141.234}}
 
:even so, which i'm not even sure what you mean what's your point? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 15:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Reformulating start of Immortality section ==
 
 
Please can someone reformulate "Hidan's primary ability was his inability to die through physical means". It is obvious that a inability is never an ability. I think something like "immortal" or ability to "keep alive" would be more fitting. But I can not think of a whole sentence at the moment. Also english is not my native language, so I might make mistakes other users would not do. --[[User:DanChem|DanChem]] ([[User talk:DanChem|talk]]) 19:05, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
:I wrote main advantage for primary ability. It might not be the best solution, but I think it is better than the previous one.--[[User:DanChem|DanChem]] ([[User talk:DanChem|talk]]) 18:14, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Left Handed ==
 
 
In the trivia for Hidan it should say he is left handed i mean heck killer bee's brother on his profile on the trivia it says he is left handed why not we put it for Hidan?{{unsigned|75.106.197.233}}
 
:Where was Hidan mentioned as being left handed?--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 01:03, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
it wasn't but on killer bee's brother profile they put the raikage is left handed but why not for hidan who is also left handed? i say they should put that on the trivia like they did the raikage because through the hole anime and manga hidan was shown always left handed doing things left handed as well as kakuzu but kakuzu dont both hands
 
 
does both hands* (Sorry my fingers are sorta clattery in the morning -.-
 
 
== Hidan akatsuki ring ==
 
 
I have heard that in the databooks, Hidan's ring is said to be orange, however in the anime the ring looks far more brown.[[User:Erikku Kurosaki|Erikku Kurosaki]] ([[User talk:Erikku Kurosaki|talk]]) 02:35, January 5, 2011 (UTC)Erik
 
:I don't believe the databooks ever say anything about the colours of the Akatsuki rings. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 13:13, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Hidan's Immortality and Wiki Page ==
 
 
Having not seen much more than the first 70 episodes of Naruto, I was skimming this Wiki when I stumbled upon Hidan. I was very disappointed when I read a fair portion of the page before there is even a slight implication of his immortality, and another paragraph or two before it was confirmed. Since his MAIN feature is his immortality, that should, at the very LEAST, be included in his background, if not in the paragraph before his background (right after, perhaps, being called a "zombie brother"?). All that's needed to make this page non-confusing for those that haven't yet been introduced to him is the word immortality being included in his background. {{unsigned|71.227.7.35}}
 
:I think there used to be a mention to it in the background section. It is the first thing listed under his abilities though. Maybe we could take that first sentence and put somewhere in the background section as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:22, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Now see, if we ever expand intros beyond "X is a Y from Z", this is the sort of thing that would be included, not interesting stuff they did only ten chapters ago. In any event, his immortality is now mentioned outright in the Background section. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:37, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
There is one things I dont get. It said Hidan is immortal but it said he is dieing from lack of nutrition. But if he was immortal that wouldnt matter. Would it? {{unsigned|Drog7}}
 
:It seems that his immortality covers only death by violence, which would kinda go along with Jashin beliefs. Maybe a non-violent death isn't covered by Jashin. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:18, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
::He should have gotten a health insurance policy.. to cover his non-violent death =/ [[Special:Contributions/99.135.186.18|99.135.186.18]] ([[User talk:99.135.186.18|talk]]) 00:27, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Quotes ==
 
 
Shouldn't quotes be used from the english anime and manga, instead of japanese manga translated by fans? The english version is translated by Viz, and I think Hidan's quotes sound better from it. And these are basically official quotes, so shouldn't they be used? {{unsigned|24.127.49.196}}
 
:We use the literal translations of the original work, not from the adaptation. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== How effective is Hidan's immortality compared to the amount of physical damage he takes? ==
 
 
Hidan has so far been shown to have survived a decapitation, being stabbed into major organs as well as having his entire blown to bits. However in each of these cases his brain has clearly remained intact.
 
 
Naruto is a Shounen-series so all in all there can't be that much gore, but I have a hard time believing that Hidan would survive if his brain was destroyed. That means either by someone bifurcating his head horizontally and vertically a few times or by somebody taking a sledgehammer and pounding his head until only a few bone fragments and scattered brain mass remains.
 
 
Is there actually any official information as to how much physical damage his immortality can protect him from?
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/85.156.51.15|85.156.51.15]] ([[User talk:85.156.51.15|talk]]) 09:54, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
There have been few instances where we learned what would or could happen to Hidan. In a databook interview, Kishimoto said that Hidan is still alive, but dying due to lack of nutrition, and during the Fourth Shinobi World War, Kakuzu took Hidan's absence as proof that he's still alive, with Ino commenting that they don't care how rotted he is by now. ~~
 
 
I may be drawing from fanon here, but I've always thought Hidan's immortality relied on a powerful healing factor. In just a few weeks following his beheading his neck was able to almost heal completely with the scar left behind from Kakuzu's stitching at that point barely even visible. It may also come in the form of extreme durability considering how he came out practically unscathed from Kakuzu's Wind Pressure Damage when Kakuzu used it on both Kakashi and Hidan.
 
 
If you ask me, Hidan could be able to survive even say a brain bisection so long as he was stitched altogether quick enough by Kakuzu.[[User:Mikami Teru|Mikami Teru]] ([[User talk:Mikami Teru|talk]]) 04:35, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Infobox Image ? ==
 
 
[[:File:Hidan_3.PNG|The current one]] or [[:File:Hidan_Better_Quality.jpg|the newer one I uploaded]]: which one looks better ? --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 10:01, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Though the second one is a bit dark, it has Hidan in a more "centred" position and has a good angle.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:55, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::That's what I thought. The proposed image is near the time when Hidan and Kakuzu were introduced (chasing Yugito Nii). --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 12:01, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::As Gojita says it does lack uhm... definition but I don't see anything wrong with it in particular except for the dim lighting. I found [[:File:Hidan.png|this]] which might be a decent candidate as well.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::What do you mean by "lacking definition ?" The image I propose at least shows part of his Jashin symbol that he wears around his neck. Your image is alright but it makes him look too calm and not evil enough --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 13:58, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::"Lacking definition" means that when you look at the image in the infobox for example there is a lot less details or definition in his face. ¾ of the images in his article already shows part of the symbol and there's a whole [[Jashin|article]] dedicated to it and the religion so I'm not too sure how that's an added benefit. As for him looking "evil" I have yet to see one on this wikia that makes him look like that except [[:File:Hidan Concepts.png|this one]] though I'm again not sure why we need him to look 'evil'.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:08, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::He's an Akatsuki member and the most disrespectful of anyone in the series. The infobox image should really show that fact so people know that when reading the article, they'll already have an idea that he's evil and disrespectful. Also, as far as I know from the image policy, an image should be used as close to their introduction in the series, my one shows him really close to his introduction. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 15:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So how exactly does your proposed image show that he's "evil" or "disrespectful"? I don't see any of the other images of Akatsuki members showing that they're "evil" or any other personality trait they've exhibited... Articles can speak for themselves in terms of his personality, an image doesn't necessarily have to do that unless it's being dropped in his personality section. As for the image policy— as I've explained to you before— that's in terms of the person's physical appearance not their début.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 15:43, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I guess you have a point. And Hidan appeared in physical appearance at the point my image was taken from (the beginning of the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc), but the current image is taken from quite a few episodes later. To add to what I meant by looking evil, your image shows him as being too complacent and calm. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 15:58, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I mean <u>physical appearance</u> as in their body and how they look such as the Konoha 11 growing up or Tobi changing his mask. Drastic changes like those not an image within the proximity of their début.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:15, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:'''Hidan appeared in physical appearance at the point my image was taken from (the beginning of the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc)''' < quoted from what I said previously. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 18:22, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::...How are you not getting this? It does not matter where the image is taken from as long as the person has not changed physically. So if Hidan decided to grow his hair out and dye it black after a while then it couldn't be used in the infobox because he changed physically. So if the image was taken from another arc (had Hidan not died) and he still looked the same, it would not matter. [[Zōri]], [[Waraji]], [[Chōza]] and countless others are examples of what I mean.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:28, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I know that, so why is my image not allowed when it meets exactly those criterion ? Is it just because it comes from the beginning of the arc where he is introduced, is it not allowed to use images from that point ?? --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 18:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::That's a question you'd have to ask whomever it was that removed it, not I.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:03, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Scar ==
 
Should we had in the apperance that he has a scar around his neck after being decapitated?--[[User:Azed|Azed]] ([[User talk:Azed|talk]]) 02:21, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Wouldn't say so. Hidan suffered many injuries, and they never seemed to leave a scar. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:48, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Konoha Headband Mistake Correction page ==
 
 
Source [33] (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hidan#cite_note-32) it's not page 71; it's 11[http://www.mangareader.net/93-328-11/naruto/chapter-323.html title][[User:Yumeyo-yuki|Yumeyo-yuki]] ([[User talk:Yumeyo-yuki|talk]]) 08:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Fixed. Thanks you.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:15, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== deceased? ==
 
Why is it he can be listed as deceased from the anime yet not [[Kabuto'--[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 18:27, November 22, 2012 (UTC)s Team]]?
 
:Fixed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:44, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Hidan should not be listed as deceased. The technique Kabuto used to recreate his body isn't restoring his soul to a new body, it pretty much simply made a clone. He's more like Hashirama's living clone than he is an Edoed ninja. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:26, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
What Omni says. He is kinda like those things later coming from Kabuto's belly 0_0--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 03:53, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Hidan's hologram in naruto 135 ==
 
 
Correct me if i'm wrong but i heard hidan, sasori and Kakuzu all in naruto episode 135 or was it deidara, sasori and kakuzu's holograms--[[File:SSJJ Bar.jpg|250px|link=User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]][[File:SSJJBar Talk.jpg|50px|link=User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]][[File:SSJJ BAR Contribs2.jpg|50px|link=Special:Contributions/Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]] 00:11, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
::In the trivia, its stated that the hologram is a possible early design of Hidan or an unknown shinobi that was partnered with Kakuzu; the latter possibly killed, if that was the case. --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 02:31, November 28, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
 
==Hidan's Eternal Youth==
 
Is it possible for Hidan to have eternal youth that's associated with his immortality. Since Kakazu is 81-years-old, Hidan is much younger than him, right?
 
 
--[[User Talk:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 15:04, March 21, 2013 (UTC)[[User talk:Jon825lazery7]].
 
 
:What exactly does Kakazu being old have to do with Hidan having youth?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:37, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You might have missed the "22" in his infobox, I guess you thought him to be possibly older than Kakuzu, yet appearing young due to his immortality. Next time make sure about things and only then make a topic, the article is here for that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:08, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Immortality isn't the same as eternal youth. The former doesn't grant the latter.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:52, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Hidan Clone==
 
if that weird snake Kurama clone thing has its own article, why shouldn't the snake-Hidan thing have its own? its distinctively a clone of Hidan, so there's no reason to have its info on his page; a link is all that's needed.--[[User:RexGodwin|RexGodwin]] ([[User talk:RexGodwin|talk]]) 08:37, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Cause it had the same personality and powers as the real Hidan?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:27, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Immortality and Stamina ==
 
 
So, there has been some editing as of late, mainly by Narutofan353, linking Hidan's immortality to his stamina, to the point Hidan has a complete ability section reserved for his physical endurance since late June. While I agree that Hidan has displayed great ability to function despite the otherwise deadly injuries inflicted on them, I don't not think that is correct to link those directly to his immortality, and despite Narutofan353's persistent claims, Hidan's databook profile does not in any way link his immortality to his stamina or apparent lack of fatigue. In fact, the only time Hidan's stamina is touched upon, is in his statistics, which happens to pretty much 99% of characters. I also think that his lack of fatigue isn't necessarily connected to his immortality, since we've seen other characters perform many other taxing fights. The only thing that makes Hidan stand apart is his ability to function despite injuries, and that has less to do stamina than it has to his pain resistance. Hidan's fighting style is primarily taijutsu and scythe based, and barring the top brass of taijutsu techniques, mainly Eight Gates based ones, taijutsu isn't nearly as exhausting as ninjutsu, which makes much greater use of chakra. Immortality, by definition, is the ability not to die, just that. I have already done my three reverts as per the three-reverts-rules, so I hope others will join this discussion. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:46, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I don't know, it took Asuma little effort to cut off his head. I'm not seeing any extraordinary endurance, unlike 3rd Raikage's or Orochimaru's for example. Also doesn't stamina refer to chakra level? What does that have with his immortality? Oh wait, a little "deja vu" I REMEMBER!!! Such a topic has been brought up somewhere I was present at. A person kept pushing on the very same thing, how his immortality is dependent on his stamina, because lack of nutrition will/has kill/ed him eventually, signifying that with low physical/mental energies, he dies or shi*. Not sure if I helped Omni or added fuel to the fire, but there you have it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:30, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
::What the person is arguing for here is that because of his immortality, Hidan has enhanced stamina. The only effort Asuma had in cutting Hidan's head was walking up to him because of the leg injury. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:37, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::We don't even know how his immortality works. I see no connection between being a zombie and stamina. I'd like this fan353 to explain it to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:45, July 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Bumping. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:09, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::: Listen. Immortality has nothing to do with Stamina (or even chakra for that matter) nor Endurance. It is simply the inability to die. That is all that Jashin gives Hidan. Everything else is null and void. His "Body" was the result of the immortality religion project, that didn't give him anything else but Immortality. Simple, I don't see the big fuss as anything but trivial. Whatever else Hidan can do, is probably because he barely uses chakra like anyone else in the show, and that he finds pleasure in the pain. The "slight burns" and what not are just how much he can tolerate pain. He enjoys it! But as for the combos he shares with Kakuzu, who knows? He might not have wanted to blow Hidan to smithereens. Maybe his techniques could be partial. Or maybe it could be manipulated to not give Hidan the full impact. Who cares. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 02:18, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
It took Asuma litte effort to cut off his head? Asuma probably has the weapon with the best cutting power in the entire manga, I invite you to reread Asuma's demonstration to Naruto regarding his chakra blades. Let's see, it also took 4 tails Naruto very little effort to cut Orochimaru in half, so Hidan's resilience is better than Oro's. Also Keep in mind that Oro only has 3.5 in stamina while Hidan has a perfect score of 5/5, which further reinforce my point, the 3rd Raikage and Hidan are in their own league. Oro's stamina and endurance is very mediocre compared to Hidan or the 3rd Raikage. He is only durable thanks to Gathering of the Snakes, having great resilience but poor stamina isn't much use.
 
 
 
''"Immortality has nothing to do with Stamina "'' You failed to comprehend the point, Having an immortal body and being immortal are two completely different things.
 
''
 
 
"That is all that Jashin gives Hidan"''
 
 
False. Jashin grants Hidan immortality as well as an immortal body.
 
 
Is it solely coincidental that Edo bodies also possess immortal bodies just like Hidan and in fact they also have infinite stamina? Having an immortality body = having infinite amount of stamina. This is what Kishi was implying and the fact that Edo bodies works the same way as Hidan's body stamina-wise further proves that. Even the wiki page of the Edo Tensei says that their immortal bodies provide them infinite stamina and immunity to diseases and such, shouldn't Hidan be sick after digesting all of his victim's blood? Yet he isn't. Furthermore it would be contradictory to say Edo Bodies have infinite stamina and resources while Hidan doesn't.
 
 
The 3rd databook explicitly states that Hidan has an immortal body, he's not only immortal in the sense he cannot die from fatal injuries.
 
 
If he didn't have infinite stamina and an immortal body then how comes he never fatigued after enduring so many fatal injuries? When was the last time that someone who doesn't have an immortal body endured as many fatal injuries as Hidan in a single fight without even remotely fatiguing? Never. How come Oro was exhausted and half dead after getting punched in the face once by Tsunade whereas Hidan got his ribcage crushed by two swords, got decapitated, got his entire body sewed in, stabbed his leg and more without even showing a sign of fatigue?
 
 
How come a stab in the femur could maim Asuma but couldn't even faze Hidan? As far as I know, mere immortality has nothing to do with being fazed by a stab in the femur or not.
 
 
How come he wasn't fazed by two swords crushing his lungs? According to your logic that says his immortal body has nothing to do with his stamina then he should have been half dead after that attack.
 
 
It is merely an assumption to say Kakuzu's futon was "partial" It annihilated giant trees with ease, Hidan withstood that blast and was unscathed when it was said no one has survived this before. His durability is clearly on a whole other level.
 
 
 
The connection between being a zombie and stamina is exactly the same as having an Edo body having infinite stamina, having an immortal body means having never-ending resources.
 
 
'''''Point is''''' Hidan's immortality prevents him from dying, in addition, his immortal body prevents him from running out of stamina and grants him extraordinary natural regenerative abilities. Don't mistaken immortality with having an immortal body, Hidan has both which is what makes him so durable.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 07:36, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
: The following is the definition of stamina;
 
 
:: "''Physical or moral strength to resist or withstand illness, fatigue, or hardship; endurance.''"
 
 
: What his immortality has to do with anything, I don't know. Immortality doesn't make you more or less susceptible to pain. At the same time, by the very definition of the word, to deny that Hidan has '''''MASSIVE''''' stamina would be foolish at the very least. Hidan has, perhaps, the best stamina of any character displayed in the series. Its the linking it to his immortality that seems fishy to me. Immortality just means he can live forever. Stamina has nothing to do with that. He just has massive stamina ''and'' immortality. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 07:56, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
I'll encourage you to read my entire post, I have already explained this over and over.
 
Certainly having an immortal body is not the same thing as just being immortal which simply means one cannot die from fatal injuries, throughout the manga we have clearly seen that Hidan is much more than just immortal, his body is also immortal. I have provided at least 10 examples of that fact, moreover I invite you to read the Durability and Stamina section of Hidan's page, everything is explained there.
 
 
Quoted from the 3rd databook page 267:
 
''""The only one who can use this jutsu repeatedly is Hidan with his immortal body""''
 
 
This quote is taken from the description of his curse jutsu and it doesn't merely apply to fatal injuries, only he can use it repeatedly because his body is immortal and has no limits. Just like Edo Bodies. Denying that Hidan has infinite stamina is just like denying that Edo bodies also have infinite stamina which is a fact.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 08:07, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Edo Tensei have infinite chakra not stamina. If he had infinite stamina, he wouldn't need to eat. Kishi himself said that lack of nutriments will eventually kill Hidan, so he isn't immortal. Even Kakuzu said that, there's no such thing as a "true immortal"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:36, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
This was a redundant statement, are you denying that Edo are immortal?
 
Edo Tensei have infinite chakra AND stamina as well, read the Edo Tensei page and the manga, or are you telling me that what was written in the wiki is false? Or that what the manga itself proved is also false? Hidan is immortal, I don't know why you are arguing against a manga fact. Hidan needs nutriment just like every living things, Edo Tensei are dead bodies so they don't, this is rather a void argument.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 17:48, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Again, there's no link between high stamina and immortality, otherwise Naruto would be immortal. And there are two kinds of stamina, if you refer to energy then of course Edo Tensei can't tire out, they are dead. Then there's "total stamina" I thought you referred to that in relation to Edo Tensei, which is false--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:59, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::There is absolutely no relation to immortality and stamina. Immortality just means they can't be killed by conventional means. Edo Tensei's can't be compared to someone like Hidan, since Hidan will eventually die if he doesn't eat anything, but since Edo's are dead, it doesn't really matter if they eat or not. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:01, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
There is absolutely no connection between Naruto and Hidan since Naruto isn't immortal nor does he have an immortal body unlike Hidan so the comparison is completely void.
 
 
I feel like none of you have understood or even read my last posts where I talk about the difference between being immortal and having an immortal body. You keep talking about a relation between immortality and stamina when there is none, it wasn't even my point in the first place, it is his immortal body that grants him infinite stamina, not the fact that he's immortal.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 18:06, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:And you were proven wrong that his body wasn't immortal. Had he had infinite stamina, he wouldn't need to eat in order not to die. In Naruto:
 
* their bodies die
 
* their souls go to pure land
 
In Hidan's case, in my opinion his body was long already dead, by the time he received a fatal injury. It didn't regenerate, it's just that his soul stayed intact, hence he was zombie-like.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:17, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Can you please use the preview button when editing instead of making a line of 5 tiny little edits in future ? Thanks.
 
::Also, when was it ever stated anywhere that having an immortal body makes him have infinite stamina ? That's just nonsense. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:17, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You were proven wrong that Edo Bodies don't have infinite stamina, I wasn't, and Hidan's body works the same way as Edo bodies do as far as stamina is concerned, except he isn't dead.
 
 
He needs to eat for his body to function like every living things, how does that prove anything? As long as he eats, he isn't going to die or tire out thanks to his immortal body.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 18:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
What do you think it means to have an immortal body? The term itself is self-explanatory, the fact that Hidan never fatigued after enduring so many fatal injuries proves my point, and the fact that Hidan has 5/5 in stamina also further proves my point.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 18:28, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:The reason he could endure so many injuries was because:
 
* his immortal body
 
* the reason why he hasn't gone fatigue is because he LIKED pain, akin to sexual arousal if you will. Even if he had 0.5/5 stamina, nothing would have changed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:43, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You're merely proving my point, having an immortal body implies having never-ending resources, the databook clearly states that he is the only one who can use the curse jutsu repeatedly because he has an immortal body with no limits.
 
And you are also wrong once again, he only likes Pain at the expense of his opponent whereas almost all of his injuries weren't reciprocal.
 
Beside, liking Pain has absolutely nothing to do with not fatiguing, if you endure severe injuries you will fatigue because your body can't take it anymore, this has absolutely nothing to do with liking pain or not.
 
And you are basically saying that Hidan's stamina stats don't affect his stamina? That's just nonsense.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 19:40, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I am not denying that Hidan has great stamina, he does, I just think your reasoning that it stems from his immortality is flawed. Hidan can use his technique many times ''because he doesn't die'', not because he has great stamina. Hidan's immortality is also seems to be limited to injury, since the last databook said that Hidan in the hole is dying from malnutrition. Anyone else trying to use his technique would die, because they're not immortal, just because of that. Fatigue is a great source of pain, specifically muscle fatigue, which is what Hidan seems to have a great resistance against. Overexertion of muscle consumes means overconsumption of energetic substrates, which leads to a greater quantity of metabolites. When people work out, these metabolites build up on muscle cells, such as chlorine and potassium, and that inhibits muscle contraction, leading to cramping. The build up of lactic acid (when the muscle needs ATP faster than aerobic respiration can provide, muscle "switches" to anaerobic respiration) can also contribute, though that is less certain. Hidan causes great injury to himself, resists the pain and carries own. Being immortal means not dying. Having an immortal body means not dying. Hida doesn't die because he doesn't die, not because he has great stamina. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:25, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
@Narutofan, can you stop over-analyzing it? No need to be obsessed, all we know is there.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:04, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I am a naruto fan too ^_^, this matter is beyond its real importance and all because you are complicating something that is simple, all the features are already there, what you want us to say more? That he is the person with the most stamina? we can not do it. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 00:38, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
The databook says that Hidan can use this technique many times because his body is immortal, not just because he can't die. There is a difference between being immortal and having an immortal body. And because his body is immortal, he has infinite stamina and can basically battle endlessly. Beside, you are way over-analyzing it, aren't we discussing about a guy who can survive decapitation and still talk even without oxygen and functioning lungs? I doubt scientific explanations are even relevant in this case. Then there is the manga that comes support my points, how do you explain the fact that Hidan's healing abilities are almost identical to Edo's? He can regenerate from any injuries in mere seconds as long as his body is still all-together. You think mere pain tolerance could prevent a man from collapsing after getting his femur stabbed or having a scythe go through his guts? Kabuto even stated that it was no ordinary feat that Tsunade could still even walk after getting her muscles torn by his chakra scalpel, Hidan endures muscle damage and isn't even fazed by it, just like nothing happened, what does that have anything to do with immortality? It's the fact that his body is immortal. You just admitted that muscle damage can't faze Hidan, well that is another evidence that his body is indeed immortal and therefore he can't feel fatigue since physical fatigue is caused by muscle damage.
 
 
" Hida doesn't die because he doesn't die, not because he has great stamina"
 
 
No, Hidan doesn't die because he is immortal and he isn't affected by fatigue because his body is immortal.
 
 
"all we know is there."
 
"all the features are already there"
 
 
Indeed, it was all demonstrated in the manga and the databook what else is there to know? I am merely stating facts.
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 11:18, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You're just talking non-sense. Having an undying body means one does not die, meaning one is immortal. There's no distinction between having an immortal body and being immortal, your inability to understand that grasp that eludes me. You're creating a difference, a distinction, where there is none. Hidan's healing is no where near the same as an Edo Tensei's. Edo Tensei simply break down into paper and ash when damaged and their bodies just reform. Hidan doesn't simply heal, and any severed parts need to be reattached, and remain reattached for a while so it can heal properly. He does not heal in seconds, go back and reread the chapters where his head is chopped off and Kakuzu has to put it back together. He even says not to overdo it otherwise his head would fall off. The damage Asuma did to Hidan's ear to check if they were still linked was still there when Shikamaru buried Hidan. Hidan making an injury causes pain, not fatigue. What Hidan has shown is high pain tolerance. He was even shown to enjoy pain when he's causing it to others. He's not overusing his muscles. And where did you get that he stabbed his femur, that is never mentioned. For all we know, all he hit was muscle. All he does is strike his leg, Asuma gets the damage, and even he is still walking, his leg was still functional, but as Hidan handles pain much better, he was still standing. You're not stating facts, you're making them up. Databook doesn't once mention stamina when talking about Hidan's immortality, in fact, the only thing remotely related to stamina mentioned with Hidan is his statistics. The moment you decided to add that Hidan's immortality is the source of his stamina, citing the databook as the source, you added false information, because databook says no such thing, and nothing in the manga says such thing, and if you insist on adding that when the protection of the article wears off, I will block you on account of adding false information. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:40, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Are you implying that injuries only result in pain and nothing else? Injuries, especially the fatal ones '''also''' causes one's body to weaken and fatigue. Actually your inability to comprehend this fact is what truly fascinates me. Yet we have clearly seen that Hidan can withstand any injuries and not fatigue. The same goes for blood loss which according to your logic should weaken his body despite not killing him, yet it doesn't. It doesn't need to be mentioned for it to be obvious, simply look up the location of the femur in the human body on wikipedia and it was highlighted by Asuma not even being able to move with that very leg, evidence of this. IT IS physically impossible for one to move with a disrupted bone structure, except if you are Hidan, your body simply physically cannot function and move properly when your ribcage and even your spine have been completely crushed by two big swords. Once again, how does that have anything to do with being immortal? I am not the one making facts up, the manga clearly shows that the norm doesn't apply with Hidan's body, hence his "immortal body". You can't apply general rules to someone who cheats death and can speak with no vocal cords, how do you explain that by the way? Hidan has never shown drawbacks from any injuries or damage inflicted to his body, including and especially fatigue.
 
 
"Databook doesn't once mention stamina when talking about Hidan's immortality"
 
 
The databook doesn't once mention Tsunade's large breasts either but aren't we already aware of that?
 
[[User:Narutofan353|Narutofan353]] ([[User talk:Narutofan353|talk]]) 14:12, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
 

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It's been 11+ years without nutrition. I think it's safe to change his status to deceased. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 17:10, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Moreover, he was cloned by Kabuto, so he should be good as dead already. --Rautamiekka (talk) 17:14, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I agree. But for those iffy for a reason I couldn't imagine for, we should at least be able to agree to "Presumed Deceased". --Rai 水 (talk) 17:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Firstly, to clone someone, you don't necessarily need them to be dead. By this logic, Naruto's Nine-Tails clone couldn't be created cause Naruto was still alive. Secondly, it's just an anime arc, which isn't completely canon compared to the manga. And about the topic - we don't know exacly how long Hidan has to be without nutrition to die for sure. It could be either 1 year or the whole 100 years. So we can't say for sure he's already dead. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 17:25, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
I never said he has to be dead to be cloned. It's unlikely he's alive after dozen years without anything to digest even by being immortal against conventional damage. --Rautamiekka (talk) 17:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
What is the harm of at least putting "Presumed Deceased" though? Although Hidan ihas immortality, being able to survive deadly attacks and such, that even without eating for long periods of time 10+ years, he'd still be alive. Other than the fact that from his burial several moths back before the war, he apparently was still alive, apparently or maybe Hidan didn't want him but let's be positive. Either way, it was given intel that he needs to eat to survive and if that's the case, since he hasn't gotten to right nutrients in a decade or so, believing he is dead is most suitable, aka "Presumed Deceased" for all you opposers for "Deceased". --Rai 水 (talk) 18:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Funny, I can't remember when reader opinions began to outweigh official statements made by the mangaka himself. • Seelentau 愛 21:45, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
You should check out all the Hiruzen, Itachi and Nagato related threads then Seelentau, these weaboo's are getting out of control. They actually think their opinions outweigh Kishi and his facts xD QuakingStar (talk) 22:17, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
As far as the series is concerned, he is still incapacitated. Could he have died? Maybe. Do we know for sure? Nope. For all we know, he got out the whole and left the country to murder people in peace.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 22:57, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
How are we going against the manga? Durung the war it was speculated that he was alive but accordibg to the second fanbook, he needs to eat to survive and the likely hood of him being alive is low so there should be no problem to put Presumed Deceased at least. Also, don't get me started on a few characters people put as Presumed Deceased although it wasn't confirmed them being dead is likely. And I do mean manga debuted characters. Hyprocritical much. Smh --Rai 水 (talk) 23:16, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
How is listing Hidan dead any different from listing Butsuma Senju deceased? Both are logically dead. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:54, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Because Hidan was specifically stated to be alive and Kakuzu wondering where his partner was supports it. That's the last information we got on him, so we go with it. Butsuma Senju was no supernatural freak with demonic powers, the last time I checked. • Seelentau 愛 23:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Said to be alive at the time. That's a valid argument to keep his status from changing during the war, not a decade later. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:12, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Most recent specifically made statement on the status of a characters, correct. Basically, Hidan is more alive than Inoichi and Shikaku are dead. • Seelentau 愛 00:53, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Yes from 10 or more years in the past in Naruto's rime. Also, we have no proof that Hidan not being apart of Kabuto's army, means he was dead. I mean if he was still alive and Kabuto apparently lnowd where he is why didn't he just repair him and bring him to war? Easy answer. Because he obviously didn't care to. I mean he could've revived Konan too, but did he? No. --Rai 水 (talk) 01:11, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Kabuto didn't know where Hidan was buried and as Shikamaru said, no one would even be able to reach Hidan because it's Nara's property. • Seelentau 愛 14:55, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Like that's gonna stop Kabuto. How do you explain how he was able to get Dan, Asuma, Third Raikage? He obviously went to their graves and stope their corpses. We have no reaaon to believe Hidan is still alive after so many years despite it bring said he needs to eat to survive. You gping off speculation in the manga and anime but when facts are presented then there is a problem. --Rai 水 (talk) 17:20, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
But it is a fact that he is alive. Kishimoto said so. You don't present facts, you present your own opinion about the state of things, despite a contradicting statement from the mangaka. That's all there is to say, really. • Seelentau 愛 18:29, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Did Kishimoto say that anytime after the war ended? Manga, databook, etc. I don't think so. It is naive to believe he is still alive despite not being able to eat. We don't know how long he can go without eating but 12+ years is a lot of time. It is at least suitable to put Presumed Deceased. It's both giving that he maybe is alive or maybe dead. It's a win-win. --Rai 水 (talk) 19:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
If we don't know how long he can go without eating, then why are we presuming so in the first place and presuming he is dead? While I'm aware that 11+ years without nutrition is a loooong time, the fact of the matter is, it was never stated how long Hidan can survive without nutrition. Maybe he can go 6 years without nutrition. Maybe he can go 44 years without nutrition. We don't know. And while I'm aware that going decades without nutrition and still living is illogical, this is a fictional universe, and where many things are illogical from the real world's perspective.
All we know is that the last thing stated about Hidan regarding his status is that he is alive. Maybe he did die of malnutrition years after the war. Or maybe he did get out somehow and is terrorizing someplace else. How long can he go without nutrition? The fact of the matter is, we don't know. All that was factually stated about him is that, he is immortal, only malnutrition can kill him, and he was still alive in the war. We just don't know how long he can go without malnutrition, so the best thing we can use is what was last stated about him, not to presume how long Hidan can survive without malnutrition by ourselves.
If we are presuming Hidan is dead, the harm is that we are also presuming how long he can go without nutrition, which would be roughly over decade, despite that never being stated, despite it being stated he is immortal, and despite it being said he is alive. We don't know. All we know is that one thing was stated. So we can't presume otherwise. Even if it is illogical and nonsensical for him to still be alive, this is again, a fictional universe. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:56, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Last time I checked, head alone couldn't do anything by itself...--JouXIII (talk) 19:59, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Head alone couldn't control his body, but it could still speak and whatnot... (Chapter 325) WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 20:04, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Let me rephrase: head alone couldn't do anything USEFUL by itself. Also, there's tons of earth, rock and dirt covering the head. I don't see Hidan doing much of talking down in the hole. --JouXIII (talk) 20:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Like others have stated, if we don't know then we don't know. He could eat grubs and all kinds crap down there. It rains and he gets water too so...... Munchvtec (talk) 15:19, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
...Which wouldn't help Hidan at all, since all that grub and water would simply go through his throat to outside the head. --JouXIII (talk) 15:45, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
We simply dont know how his body works. He's to be listed presumed as that would be the most accurate thing for us to do. Munchvtec (talk) 17:33, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
Its been 11+ years since we saw Jiraiya sinking to the bottom of Amegakure, should we also list him as Incapacitated since we don't know his lung capacity within this fictional universe? For all we know is he could be down there to this very day holding his breath. Also the length of human lives has never been established, but yet we list Butsuma dying of old age. While its a fictional universe, we don't get to say this and this makes sense to be a cause of death in real life, so we'll list it as such, but turn a blind eye when it comes to dying of malnutrition. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 21:07, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
It's actually poor comparison, cause Jiraya is still a regular human in Narutoverse, while Hidan isn't an ordinary one by all means. In Narutoverse noone demonstrated the ability to survive decapitation, aside from one person - namely, Hidan. We know the limits of an ordinary human in Narutoverse, but most of them do not apply to someone, and this someone is again Hidan. So, again, we can't say for sure if he lives or not cause noone could survive being blown up to pieces in this universe so far (perhaps, aside from TTJ-Madara, yet he was never decapitated at the same time). Ravenlot 27 (talk) 21:39, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
That is a very poor comparison. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:49, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
I think it's interesting, Hidan's condition that is. Hidan can survive deadly attacks and live, hardly shown any sign of pain, but when it comes to nutrition, it is where he sharea a common trait with normal shinobi. We have no proof that he can survive this long without food just because he can survive attacks. That's making preferable comparisons without proof. We don't even know if Hidan was alive during the 4th war. For all we know Kabuto probably didn't wantnto revive him. Are we to say just because he surives attacks, he's faster, stronger and smarter than normal shinobi. We say presumed deceased for Ni's dogs. Why? Because they were getting chakra drained from them. We have no solid proof that they were killed. Shoot we have no solid proof that Karenbana died against Sakura's punch. She could have just been knocked out. --Rai 水 (talk) 01:07, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you on them but there is a fine line between them and Hidan. Feel free to change the others. Munchvtec (talk) 01:43, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Still grasping straws here with Hidan. We have no solod proof that Hidan is still alive and was even alive in the war. This all because Kakuzu who said he is still alive. We are going to take Kakuzu's word on a subject that is ultimately decided by Kabuto. Like I said, Kabuto probably didn't feel the need to use Hidan if he did die. Or maybe Kabuto didn't know where he was buried despite Kabuto being able to retreive other bodies that you think are secure with no problem. --Rai 水 (talk) 02:27, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Its not a poor caparison because Hidan like everyone is a normal person in terms of malnutrition. And Kakuzu's statement shouldn't way on his status since he questioned it, not confirm it. He could of taken Kisame and Konan's absent as proof as being alive and look how accurate that would be. And if statements like that should way in on his status, we should take into account Ino's statement in the same chapter about him rotting. The last time i checked, rotting is a word associated with dead people. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 04:33, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Well Saru, Kakuzu didn't know Konan died nor if Kisame was still alive but the fact is how would Kakuzu know Hidan was still alive? Did he just "know" that if he was Hidan was dead, he would be brought back with him? All it was, was a assumption. Based on my explanations of several instances to Hidan's status, compared to a sadly very poor reason, what is you guys' take on this now? --Rai 水 (talk) 06:18, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Bump. --Rai 水 (talk) 06:49, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
This is still going on? What's so hard to understand about "Your opinion does not outweigh an official statement by the mangaka"? It doesn't matter how sound your logic is or how good your arguments are. This isn't a fan wiki. If we'd go by opinions, Gaara would still be a Magnet Release user. • Seelentau 愛 14:40, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
he is becuase he is still listed as one lool Geschlechtsverkehr (talk) 15:11, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Not to be the killjoy, but this is actually a fan wiki, because it's built by fans for fans and nobody here is paid to contribute towards this wiki and is run by fans in our own time. We just simply choose to cover the canonical events and not allow people to post their own, made up fanon that hasn't been stated in a medium here. This also just happens to be the longest standing canonical wiki so many people come here, but it's certainly not a wiki run by a corporation, which would make the wiki official.
If this was an official wiki, it wouldn't be hosted on Wikia and would be run by Studio Pierrot/WSJ and fans would almost certainly not be allowed to contribute on it. --SuperSajuuk (talk) 15:16, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
You know exactly what I meant. :P • Seelentau 愛 15:45, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. :P --SuperSajuuk (talk) 16:26, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Except what Kakuzu said was just an opinion and one that makes no sense given the circumstances I just said. @Tau And technically Gaara is a Magnet Release user anyway via novel :p. When info doesn't make sense we have always tried to make the best way to clear the situation, even if that meant putting the info in trivia while keeping things on the right track. This is no different so stop trying to make it. --Rai 水 (talk) 17:24, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

What Kakuzu said wasn't an opinion. It's not his opinion that Hidan wasn't there, it was a fact and Kakuzu noted it. This is commonly used by the author to tell the reader something, in our case, it's about Hidan's whereabouts. This, coupled with the fact that Kishimoto stated earlier that Hidan is still alive and the fact that no one of us knows how long he stays alive without nutrients or following his cult's ways is more than enough to keep him as Alive. We#ll just have to deal with the fact that Kishimoto's crappy storytelling left us with a lot of open ends. • Seelentau 愛 19:00, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Kakuzu didn't note his status, he questioned it. I would understand not changing his status if kishimoto said that his cults way effected his nutrition status, but he didn't. When it comes to malnutrition, him being immortal to attacks and etc is irrelevant. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 01:46, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
True. I just reread the chapter and he questioned if Hidan was alive because he wasn't there although again there are multiple divisions with reanimated people he didn't know it apparently. You say that is the author's way of letting us know Hidan's status but that's not solid proof, just your assumption just like Kakuzu. If a person in Naruto said I wonder if Jiraiya is still alive because they couldn't find his body, would you say, change his status to "Incapicitated"? --Rai 水 (talk) 02:26, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
Hidan isn't like Jiraiya though, he's a very unique case. Last official word we got was that he was still alive, so alive should be his assumed status by default. We shouldn't need additional proof he is still alive to list him as such, we should need proof he is dead in order to change it.--BeyondRed (talk) 07:08, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
Except if you read his statement, you would know that he was wondering if Hidan was alive because he didn't show up with him (as apparently he just knew Hidan would be reanimated by Kabuto). Some suggests that it is the author's way of saying Hidan is alive. Yet that is only the fans interpretation of it. I guess like us presuming he is dead would be. We have no solid proof that he survives longer than regular humans when it comes to malnutrition so putting "Presumed Deceased" at the very least makes sense. It gives you the kbowledge that he is most likely dead but it is not certain. We are believing just because he endures critical damage he can endure a longer time without food which again is no proof of that.
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So are we in agreement on putting "Presumed Deceasee" based on not very reliable proof? --Rai 水 (talk) 04:04, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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