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It's been 11+ years without nutrition. I think it's safe to change his status to deceased. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 17:10, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:Moreover, he was cloned by Kabuto, so he should be good as dead already. --[[User:Rautamiekka|Rautamiekka]] ([[User talk:Rautamiekka|talk]]) 17:14, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::Thank you. I agree. But for those iffy for a reason I couldn't imagine for, we should at least be able to agree to "Presumed Deceased". --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Firstly, to clone someone, you don't necessarily need them to be dead. By this logic, Naruto's Nine-Tails clone couldn't be created cause Naruto was still alive. Secondly, it's just an anime arc, which isn't completely canon compared to the manga. And about the topic - we don't know exacly how long Hidan has to be without nutrition to die for sure. It could be either 1 year or the whole 100 years. So we can't say for sure he's already dead. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 17:25, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::: I never said he has to be dead to be cloned. It's unlikely he's alive after dozen years without anything to digest even by being immortal against conventional damage. --[[User:Rautamiekka|Rautamiekka]] ([[User talk:Rautamiekka|talk]]) 17:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::What is the harm of at least putting "Presumed Deceased" though? Although Hidan ihas immortality, being able to survive deadly attacks and such, that even without eating for long periods of time 10+ years, he'd still be alive. Other than the fact that from his burial several moths back before the war, he apparently was still alive, apparently or maybe Hidan didn't want him but let's be positive. Either way, it was given intel that he needs to eat to survive and if that's the case, since he hasn't gotten to right nutrients in a decade or so, believing he is dead is most suitable, aka "Presumed Deceased" for all you opposers for "Deceased". --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 18:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Funny, I can't remember when reader opinions began to outweigh official statements made by the mangaka himself. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:45, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::You should check out all the Hiruzen, Itachi and Nagato related threads then Seelentau, these weaboo's are getting out of control. They actually think their opinions outweigh Kishi and his facts xD [[User:QuakingStar|QuakingStar]] ([[User talk:QuakingStar|talk]]) 22:17, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::As far as the series is concerned, he is still incapacitated. Could he have died? Maybe. Do we know for sure? Nope. For all we know, he got out the whole and left the country to murder people in peace.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:57, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::How are we going against the manga? Durung the war it was speculated that he was alive but accordibg to the second fanbook, he needs to eat to survive and the likely hood of him being alive is low so there should be no problem to put Presumed Deceased at least. Also, don't get me started on a few characters people put as Presumed Deceased although it wasn't confirmed them being dead is likely. And I do mean manga debuted characters. Hyprocritical much. Smh --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 23:16, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:How is listing Hidan dead any different from listing Butsuma Senju deceased? Both are logically dead. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 23:54, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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::Because Hidan was specifically stated to be alive and Kakuzu wondering where his partner was supports it. That's the last information we got on him, so we go with it. Butsuma Senju was no supernatural freak with demonic powers, the last time I checked. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Said to be alive at the time. That's a valid argument to keep his status from changing during the war, not a decade later. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 00:12, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Most recent specifically made statement on the status of a characters, correct. Basically, Hidan is more alive than Inoichi and Shikaku are dead. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:53, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Yes from 10 or more years in the past in Naruto's rime. Also, we have no proof that Hidan not being apart of Kabuto's army, means he was dead. I mean if he was still alive and Kabuto apparently lnowd where he is why didn't he just repair him and bring him to war? Easy answer. Because he obviously didn't care to. I mean he could've revived Konan too, but did he? No. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 01:11, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Kabuto didn't know where Hidan was buried and as Shikamaru said, no one would even be able to reach Hidan because it's Nara's property. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:55, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::Like that's gonna stop Kabuto. How do you explain how he was able to get Dan, Asuma, Third Raikage? He obviously went to their graves and stope their corpses. We have no reaaon to believe Hidan is still alive after so many years despite it bring said he needs to eat to survive. You gping off speculation in the manga and anime but when facts are presented then there is a problem. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:20, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::But it is a fact that he is alive. Kishimoto said so. You don't present facts, you present your own opinion about the state of things, despite a contradicting statement from the mangaka. That's all there is to say, really. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:29, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::Did Kishimoto say that anytime after the war ended? Manga, databook, etc. I don't think so. It is naive to believe he is still alive despite not being able to eat. We don't know how long he can go without eating but 12+ years is a lot of time. It is at least suitable to put Presumed Deceased. It's both giving that he maybe is alive or maybe dead. It's a win-win. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 19:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:If we don't know how long he can go without eating, then why are we presuming so in the first place and presuming he is dead? While I'm aware that 11+ years without nutrition is a loooong time, the fact of the matter is, it was never stated how long Hidan can survive without nutrition. Maybe he can go 6 years without nutrition. Maybe he can go 44 years without nutrition. We don't know. And while I'm aware that going decades without nutrition and still living is illogical, this is a fictional universe, and where many things are illogical from the real world's perspective.<br> All we know is that the last thing stated about Hidan regarding his status is that he is alive. Maybe he did die of malnutrition years after the war. Or maybe he did get out somehow and is terrorizing someplace else. How long can he go without nutrition? The fact of the matter is, we don't know. All that was factually stated about him is that, he is immortal, only malnutrition can kill him, and he was still alive in the war. We just don't know how long he can go without malnutrition, so the best thing we can use is what was last stated about him, not to presume how long Hidan can survive without malnutrition by ourselves. <br> If we are presuming Hidan is dead, the harm is that we are also presuming how long he can go without nutrition, which would be roughly over decade, despite that never being stated, despite it being stated he is immortal, and despite it being said he is alive. ''We don't know.'' All we know is that one thing was stated. So we can't presume otherwise. Even if it is illogical and nonsensical for him to still be alive, this is again, a fictional universe. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:56, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::Last time I checked, head alone couldn't do anything by itself...--[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 19:59, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Head alone couldn't control his body, but it could still speak and whatnot... (Chapter 325) {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 20:04, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Let me rephrase: head alone couldn't do anything USEFUL by itself. Also, there's tons of earth, rock and dirt covering the head. I don't see Hidan doing much of talking down in the hole. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 20:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Like others have stated, if we don't know then we don't know. He could eat grubs and all kinds crap down there. It rains and he gets water too so...... [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:19, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::...Which wouldn't help Hidan at all, since all that grub and water would simply go through his throat to outside the head. --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 15:45, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::We simply dont know how his body works. He's to be listed presumed as that would be the most accurate thing for us to do. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 17:33, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::Its been 11+ years since we saw Jiraiya sinking to the bottom of Amegakure, should we also list him as Incapacitated since we don't know his lung capacity within this fictional universe? For all we know is he could be down there to this very day holding his breath. Also the length of human lives has never been established, but yet we list Butsuma dying of old age. While its a fictional universe, we don't get to say this and this makes sense to be a cause of death in real life, so we'll list it as such, but turn a blind eye when it comes to dying of malnutrition. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 21:07, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::It's actually poor comparison, cause Jiraya is still a regular human in Narutoverse, while Hidan isn't an ordinary one by all means. In Narutoverse noone demonstrated the ability to survive decapitation, aside from one person - namely, Hidan. We know the limits of an ordinary human in Narutoverse, but most of them do not apply to someone, and this someone is again Hidan. So, again, we can't say for sure if he lives or not cause noone could survive being blown up to pieces in this universe so far (perhaps, aside from TTJ-Madara, yet he was never decapitated at the same time). [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 21:39, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::::That is a very poor comparison. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 00:49, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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:I think it's interesting, Hidan's condition that is. Hidan can survive deadly attacks and live, hardly shown any sign of pain, but when it comes to nutrition, it is where he sharea a common trait with normal shinobi. We have no proof that he can survive this long without food just because he can survive attacks. That's making preferable comparisons without proof. We don't even know if Hidan was alive during the 4th war. For all we know Kabuto probably didn't wantnto revive him. Are we to say just because he surives attacks, he's faster, stronger and smarter than normal shinobi. We say presumed deceased for Ni's dogs. Why? Because they were getting chakra drained from them. We have no solid proof that they were killed. Shoot we have no solid proof that Karenbana died against Sakura's punch. She could have just been knocked out. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 01:07, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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::I agree with you on them but there is a fine line between them and Hidan. Feel free to change the others. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 01:43, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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:::Still grasping straws here with Hidan. We have no solod proof that Hidan is still alive and was even alive in the war. This all because Kakuzu who said he is still alive. We are going to take Kakuzu's word on a subject that is ultimately decided by Kabuto. Like I said, Kabuto probably didn't feel the need to use Hidan if he did die. Or maybe Kabuto didn't know where he was buried despite Kabuto being able to retreive other bodies that you think are secure with no problem. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:27, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Its not a poor caparison because Hidan like everyone is a normal person in terms of malnutrition. And Kakuzu's statement shouldn't way on his status since he questioned it, not confirm it. He could of taken Kisame and Konan's absent as proof as being alive and look how accurate that would be. And if statements like that should way in on his status, we should take into account Ino's statement in the same chapter about him rotting. The last time i checked, rotting is a word associated with dead people. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 04:33, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Well Saru, Kakuzu didn't know Konan died nor if Kisame was still alive but the fact is how would Kakuzu know Hidan was still alive? Did he just "know" that if he was Hidan was dead, he would be brought back with him? All it was, was a assumption. Based on my explanations of several instances to Hidan's status, compared to a sadly very poor reason, what is you guys' take on this now? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 06:18, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::Bump. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 06:49, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::This is still going on? What's so hard to understand about "Your opinion does not outweigh an official statement by the mangaka"? It doesn't matter how sound your logic is or how good your arguments are. This isn't a fan wiki. If we'd go by opinions, Gaara would still be a Magnet Release user. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:40, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::he is becuase he is still listed as one lool [[User:Geschlechtsverkehr|Geschlechtsverkehr]] ([[User talk:Geschlechtsverkehr|talk]]) 15:11, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::Not to be the killjoy, but this is actually a fan wiki, because it's built by fans for fans and nobody here is paid to contribute towards this wiki and is run by fans in our own time. We just simply choose to cover the canonical events and not allow people to post their own, made up fanon that hasn't been stated in a medium here. This also just happens to be the longest standing canonical wiki so many people come here, but it's certainly not a wiki run by a corporation, which would make the wiki official.
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:::::::::If this was an official wiki, it wouldn't be hosted on Wikia and would be run by Studio Pierrot/WSJ and fans would almost certainly not be allowed to contribute on it. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] ([[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]]) 15:16, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::::You know exactly what I meant. :P • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:45, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::::Indeed. :P --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] ([[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]]) 16:26, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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Except what Kakuzu said was just an opinion and one that makes no sense given the circumstances I just said. @Tau And technically Gaara is a Magnet Release user anyway via novel :p. When info doesn't make sense we have always tried to make the best way to clear the situation, even if that meant putting the info in trivia while keeping things on the right track. This is no different so stop trying to make it. --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 17:24, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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:What Kakuzu said wasn't an opinion. It's not his opinion that Hidan wasn't there, it was a fact and Kakuzu noted it. This is commonly used by the author to tell the reader something, in our case, it's about Hidan's whereabouts. This, coupled with the fact that Kishimoto stated earlier that Hidan is still alive and the fact that no one of us knows how long he stays alive without nutrients or following his cult's ways is more than enough to keep him as ''Alive''. We#ll just have to deal with the fact that Kishimoto's crappy storytelling left us with a lot of open ends. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:00, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
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::Kakuzu didn't note his status, he questioned it. I would understand not changing his status if kishimoto said that his cults way effected his nutrition status, but he didn't. When it comes to malnutrition, him being immortal to attacks and etc is irrelevant. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 01:46, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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:::True. I just reread the chapter and he questioned if Hidan was alive because he wasn't there although again there are multiple divisions with reanimated people he didn't know it apparently. You say that is the author's way of letting us know Hidan's status but that's not solid proof, just your assumption just like Kakuzu. If a person in Naruto said I wonder if Jiraiya is still alive because they couldn't find his body, would you say, change his status to "Incapicitated"? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 02:26, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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::::Hidan isn't like Jiraiya though, he's a very unique case. Last official word we got was that he was still alive, so alive should be his assumed status by default. We shouldn't need additional proof he is still alive to list him as such, we should need proof he is dead in order to change it.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 07:08, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
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:::::Except if you read his statement, you would know that he was wondering if Hidan was alive because he didn't show up with him (as apparently he just knew Hidan would be reanimated by Kabuto). Some suggests that it is the author's way of saying Hidan is alive. Yet that is only the fans interpretation of it. I guess like us presuming he is dead would be. We have no solid proof that he survives longer than regular humans when it comes to malnutrition so putting "Presumed Deceased" at the very least makes sense. It gives you the kbowledge that he is most likely dead but it is not certain. We are believing just because he endures critical damage he can endure a longer time without food which again is no proof of that.
   
hidan is still alive since kabuto diddnt resurect him, unless he is the 6th coffin that w didnt see the face of the person, which i doubt since madara was suprised to see{{unsigned|75.198.141.234}}
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:We already know Hidan is alive, that's why his infobox says "Incapacitated" instead of "Deceased". [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 15:38, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
   
== kills ==
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:::::So are we in agreement on putting "Presumed Deceasee" based on not very reliable proof? --[[User:Rachin123|Rai 水]] ([[User talk:Rachin123|talk]]) 04:04, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
 
isnt hidan the second person showed on screen with the most kills first being pain{{unsigned|75.198.141.234}}
 
:even so, which i'm not even sure what you mean what's your point? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 15:40, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Reformulating start of Immortality section ==
 
 
Please can someone reformulate "Hidan's primary ability was his inability to die through physical means". It is obvious that a inability is never an ability. I think something like "immortal" or ability to "keep alive" would be more fitting. But I can not think of a whole sentence at the moment. Also english is not my native language, so I might make mistakes other users would not do. --[[User:DanChem|DanChem]] ([[User talk:DanChem|talk]]) 19:05, September 19, 2010 (UTC)
 
:I wrote main advantage for primary ability. It might not be the best solution, but I think it is better than the previous one.--[[User:DanChem|DanChem]] ([[User talk:DanChem|talk]]) 18:14, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
== Left Handed ==
 
 
In the trivia for Hidan it should say he is left handed i mean heck killer bee's brother on his profile on the trivia it says he is left handed why not we put it for Hidan?{{unsigned|75.106.197.233}}
 
:Where was Hidan mentioned as being left handed?--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 01:03, October 12, 2010 (UTC)
 
 
it wasn't but on killer bee's brother profile they put the raikage is left handed but why not for hidan who is also left handed? i say they should put that on the trivia like they did the raikage because through the hole anime and manga hidan was shown always left handed doing things left handed as well as kakuzu but kakuzu dont both hands
 
 
does both hands* (Sorry my fingers are sorta clattery in the morning -.-
 
 
== Hidan akatsuki ring ==
 
 
I have heard that in the databooks, Hidan's ring is said to be orange, however in the anime the ring looks far more brown.[[User:Erikku Kurosaki|Erikku Kurosaki]] ([[User talk:Erikku Kurosaki|talk]]) 02:35, January 5, 2011 (UTC)Erik
 
:I don't believe the databooks ever say anything about the colours of the Akatsuki rings. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 13:13, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Hidan's Immortality and Wiki Page ==
 
 
Having not seen much more than the first 70 episodes of Naruto, I was skimming this Wiki when I stumbled upon Hidan. I was very disappointed when I read a fair portion of the page before there is even a slight implication of his immortality, and another paragraph or two before it was confirmed. Since his MAIN feature is his immortality, that should, at the very LEAST, be included in his background, if not in the paragraph before his background (right after, perhaps, being called a "zombie brother"?). All that's needed to make this page non-confusing for those that haven't yet been introduced to him is the word immortality being included in his background. {{unsigned|71.227.7.35}}
 
:I think there used to be a mention to it in the background section. It is the first thing listed under his abilities though. Maybe we could take that first sentence and put somewhere in the background section as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:22, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Now see, if we ever expand intros beyond "X is a Y from Z", this is the sort of thing that would be included, not interesting stuff they did only ten chapters ago. In any event, his immortality is now mentioned outright in the Background section. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 06:37, January 29, 2011 (UTC)
 
There is one things I dont get. It said Hidan is immortal but it said he is dieing from lack of nutrition. But if he was immortal that wouldnt matter. Would it? {{unsigned|Drog7}}
 
:It seems that his immortality covers only death by violence, which would kinda go along with Jashin beliefs. Maybe a non-violent death isn't covered by Jashin. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:18, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
::He should have gotten a health insurance policy.. to cover his non-violent death =/ [[Special:Contributions/99.135.186.18|99.135.186.18]] ([[User talk:99.135.186.18|talk]]) 00:27, April 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Quotes ==
 
 
Shouldn't quotes be used from the english anime and manga, instead of japanese manga translated by fans? The english version is translated by Viz, and I think Hidan's quotes sound better from it. And these are basically official quotes, so shouldn't they be used? {{unsigned|24.127.49.196}}
 
:We use the literal translations of the original work, not from the adaptation. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== How effective is Hidan's immortality compared to the amount of physical damage he takes? ==
 
 
Hidan has so far been shown to have survived a decapitation, being stabbed into major organs as well as having his entire blown to bits. However in each of these cases his brain has clearly remained intact.
 
 
Naruto is a Shounen-series so all in all there can't be that much gore, but I have a hard time believing that Hidan would survive if his brain was destroyed. That means either by someone bifurcating his head horizontally and vertically a few times or by somebody taking a sledgehammer and pounding his head until only a few bone fragments and scattered brain mass remains.
 
 
Is there actually any official information as to how much physical damage his immortality can protect him from?
 
 
[[Special:Contributions/85.156.51.15|85.156.51.15]] ([[User talk:85.156.51.15|talk]]) 09:54, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
There have been few instances where we learned what would or could happen to Hidan. In a databook interview, Kishimoto said that Hidan is still alive, but dying due to lack of nutrition, and during the Fourth Shinobi World War, Kakuzu took Hidan's absence as proof that he's still alive, with Ino commenting that they don't care how rotted he is by now. ~~
 
 
I may be drawing from fanon here, but I've always thought Hidan's immortality relied on a powerful healing factor. In just a few weeks following his beheading his neck was able to almost heal completely with the scar left behind from Kakuzu's stitching at that point barely even visible. It may also come in the form of extreme durability considering how he came out practically unscathed from Kakuzu's Wind Pressure Damage when Kakuzu used it on both Kakashi and Hidan.
 
 
If you ask me, Hidan could be able to survive even say a brain bisection so long as he was stitched altogether quick enough by Kakuzu.[[User:Mikami Teru|Mikami Teru]] ([[User talk:Mikami Teru|talk]]) 04:35, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Infobox Image ? ==
 
 
[[:File:Hidan_3.PNG|The current one]] or [[:File:Hidan_Better_Quality.jpg|the newer one I uploaded]]: which one looks better ? --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 10:01, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Though the second one is a bit dark, it has Hidan in a more "centred" position and has a good angle.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:55, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::That's what I thought. The proposed image is near the time when Hidan and Kakuzu were introduced (chasing Yugito Nii). --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 12:01, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::As Gojita says it does lack uhm... definition but I don't see anything wrong with it in particular except for the dim lighting. I found [[:File:Hidan.png|this]] which might be a decent candidate as well.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 13:53, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::What do you mean by "lacking definition ?" The image I propose at least shows part of his Jashin symbol that he wears around his neck. Your image is alright but it makes him look too calm and not evil enough --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 13:58, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::::"Lacking definition" means that when you look at the image in the infobox for example there is a lot less details or definition in his face. ¾ of the images in his article already shows part of the symbol and there's a whole [[Jashin|article]] dedicated to it and the religion so I'm not too sure how that's an added benefit. As for him looking "evil" I have yet to see one on this wikia that makes him look like that except [[:File:Hidan Concepts.png|this one]] though I'm again not sure why we need him to look 'evil'.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 14:08, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::::He's an Akatsuki member and the most disrespectful of anyone in the series. The infobox image should really show that fact so people know that when reading the article, they'll already have an idea that he's evil and disrespectful. Also, as far as I know from the image policy, an image should be used as close to their introduction in the series, my one shows him really close to his introduction. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 15:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
So how exactly does your proposed image show that he's "evil" or "disrespectful"? I don't see any of the other images of Akatsuki members showing that they're "evil" or any other personality trait they've exhibited... Articles can speak for themselves in terms of his personality, an image doesn't necessarily have to do that unless it's being dropped in his personality section. As for the image policy— as I've explained to you before— that's in terms of the person's physical appearance not their début.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 15:43, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I guess you have a point. And Hidan appeared in physical appearance at the point my image was taken from (the beginning of the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc), but the current image is taken from quite a few episodes later. To add to what I meant by looking evil, your image shows him as being too complacent and calm. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 15:58, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I mean <u>physical appearance</u> as in their body and how they look such as the Konoha 11 growing up or Tobi changing his mask. Drastic changes like those not an image within the proximity of their début.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:15, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:'''Hidan appeared in physical appearance at the point my image was taken from (the beginning of the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc)''' < quoted from what I said previously. --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 18:22, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::...How are you not getting this? It does not matter where the image is taken from as long as the person has not changed physically. So if Hidan decided to grow his hair out and dye it black after a while then it couldn't be used in the infobox because he changed physically. So if the image was taken from another arc (had Hidan not died) and he still looked the same, it would not matter. [[Zōri]], [[Waraji]], [[Chōza]] and countless others are examples of what I mean.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 18:28, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::I know that, so why is my image not allowed when it meets exactly those criterion ? Is it just because it comes from the beginning of the arc where he is introduced, is it not allowed to use images from that point ?? --[[User:Speysider|speysider]] ([[User talk:Speysider|talk]]) 18:33, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::That's a question you'd have to ask whomever it was that removed it, not I.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:03, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Scar ==
 
Should we had in the apperance that he has a scar around his neck after being decapitated?--[[User:Azed|Azed]] ([[User talk:Azed|talk]]) 02:21, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Wouldn't say so. Hidan suffered many injuries, and they never seemed to leave a scar. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:48, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Konoha Headband Mistake Correction page ==
 
 
Source [33] (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hidan#cite_note-32) it's not page 71; it's 11[http://www.mangareader.net/93-328-11/naruto/chapter-323.html title][[User:Yumeyo-yuki|Yumeyo-yuki]] ([[User talk:Yumeyo-yuki|talk]]) 08:26, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Fixed. Thanks you.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:15, August 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== deceased? ==
 
Why is it he can be listed as deceased from the anime yet not [[Kabuto'--[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 18:27, November 22, 2012 (UTC)s Team]]?
 
:Fixed.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:44, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Hidan should not be listed as deceased. The technique Kabuto used to recreate his body isn't restoring his soul to a new body, it pretty much simply made a clone. He's more like Hashirama's living clone than he is an Edoed ninja. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:26, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
What Omni says. He is kinda like those things later coming from Kabuto's belly 0_0--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 03:53, November 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Hidan's hologram in naruto 135 ==
 
 
Correct me if i'm wrong but i heard hidan, sasori and Kakuzu all in naruto episode 135 or was it deidara, sasori and kakuzu's holograms--[[File:SSJJ Bar.jpg|250px|link=User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]][[File:SSJJBar Talk.jpg|50px|link=User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]][[File:SSJJ BAR Contribs2.jpg|50px|link=Special:Contributions/Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson]] 00:11, November 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
::In the trivia, its stated that the hologram is a possible early design of Hidan or an unknown shinobi that was partnered with Kakuzu; the latter possibly killed, if that was the case. --[[User:KiumaruHamachi|KiumaruHamachi]] ([[User talk:KiumaruHamachi|talk]]) 02:31, November 28, 2012 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
 
 
==Hidan's Eternal Youth==
 
Is it possible for Hidan to have eternal youth that's associated with his immortality. Since Kakazu is 81-years-old, Hidan is much younger than him, right?
 
 
--[[User Talk:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 15:04, March 21, 2013 (UTC)[[User talk:Jon825lazery7]].
 
 
:What exactly does Kakazu being old have to do with Hidan having youth?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:37, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You might have missed the "22" in his infobox, I guess you thought him to be possibly older than Kakuzu, yet appearing young due to his immortality. Next time make sure about things and only then make a topic, the article is here for that.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:08, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Immortality isn't the same as eternal youth. The former doesn't grant the latter.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:52, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 

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It's been 11+ years without nutrition. I think it's safe to change his status to deceased. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 17:10, March 2, 2016 (UTC)

Moreover, he was cloned by Kabuto, so he should be good as dead already. --Rautamiekka (talk) 17:14, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I agree. But for those iffy for a reason I couldn't imagine for, we should at least be able to agree to "Presumed Deceased". --Rai 水 (talk) 17:20, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Firstly, to clone someone, you don't necessarily need them to be dead. By this logic, Naruto's Nine-Tails clone couldn't be created cause Naruto was still alive. Secondly, it's just an anime arc, which isn't completely canon compared to the manga. And about the topic - we don't know exacly how long Hidan has to be without nutrition to die for sure. It could be either 1 year or the whole 100 years. So we can't say for sure he's already dead. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 17:25, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
I never said he has to be dead to be cloned. It's unlikely he's alive after dozen years without anything to digest even by being immortal against conventional damage. --Rautamiekka (talk) 17:30, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
What is the harm of at least putting "Presumed Deceased" though? Although Hidan ihas immortality, being able to survive deadly attacks and such, that even without eating for long periods of time 10+ years, he'd still be alive. Other than the fact that from his burial several moths back before the war, he apparently was still alive, apparently or maybe Hidan didn't want him but let's be positive. Either way, it was given intel that he needs to eat to survive and if that's the case, since he hasn't gotten to right nutrients in a decade or so, believing he is dead is most suitable, aka "Presumed Deceased" for all you opposers for "Deceased". --Rai 水 (talk) 18:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Funny, I can't remember when reader opinions began to outweigh official statements made by the mangaka himself. • Seelentau 愛 21:45, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
You should check out all the Hiruzen, Itachi and Nagato related threads then Seelentau, these weaboo's are getting out of control. They actually think their opinions outweigh Kishi and his facts xD QuakingStar (talk) 22:17, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
As far as the series is concerned, he is still incapacitated. Could he have died? Maybe. Do we know for sure? Nope. For all we know, he got out the whole and left the country to murder people in peace.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 22:57, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
How are we going against the manga? Durung the war it was speculated that he was alive but accordibg to the second fanbook, he needs to eat to survive and the likely hood of him being alive is low so there should be no problem to put Presumed Deceased at least. Also, don't get me started on a few characters people put as Presumed Deceased although it wasn't confirmed them being dead is likely. And I do mean manga debuted characters. Hyprocritical much. Smh --Rai 水 (talk) 23:16, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
How is listing Hidan dead any different from listing Butsuma Senju deceased? Both are logically dead. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 23:54, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Because Hidan was specifically stated to be alive and Kakuzu wondering where his partner was supports it. That's the last information we got on him, so we go with it. Butsuma Senju was no supernatural freak with demonic powers, the last time I checked. • Seelentau 愛 23:58, March 2, 2016 (UTC)
Said to be alive at the time. That's a valid argument to keep his status from changing during the war, not a decade later. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 00:12, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Most recent specifically made statement on the status of a characters, correct. Basically, Hidan is more alive than Inoichi and Shikaku are dead. • Seelentau 愛 00:53, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Yes from 10 or more years in the past in Naruto's rime. Also, we have no proof that Hidan not being apart of Kabuto's army, means he was dead. I mean if he was still alive and Kabuto apparently lnowd where he is why didn't he just repair him and bring him to war? Easy answer. Because he obviously didn't care to. I mean he could've revived Konan too, but did he? No. --Rai 水 (talk) 01:11, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Kabuto didn't know where Hidan was buried and as Shikamaru said, no one would even be able to reach Hidan because it's Nara's property. • Seelentau 愛 14:55, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Like that's gonna stop Kabuto. How do you explain how he was able to get Dan, Asuma, Third Raikage? He obviously went to their graves and stope their corpses. We have no reaaon to believe Hidan is still alive after so many years despite it bring said he needs to eat to survive. You gping off speculation in the manga and anime but when facts are presented then there is a problem. --Rai 水 (talk) 17:20, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
But it is a fact that he is alive. Kishimoto said so. You don't present facts, you present your own opinion about the state of things, despite a contradicting statement from the mangaka. That's all there is to say, really. • Seelentau 愛 18:29, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Did Kishimoto say that anytime after the war ended? Manga, databook, etc. I don't think so. It is naive to believe he is still alive despite not being able to eat. We don't know how long he can go without eating but 12+ years is a lot of time. It is at least suitable to put Presumed Deceased. It's both giving that he maybe is alive or maybe dead. It's a win-win. --Rai 水 (talk) 19:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
If we don't know how long he can go without eating, then why are we presuming so in the first place and presuming he is dead? While I'm aware that 11+ years without nutrition is a loooong time, the fact of the matter is, it was never stated how long Hidan can survive without nutrition. Maybe he can go 6 years without nutrition. Maybe he can go 44 years without nutrition. We don't know. And while I'm aware that going decades without nutrition and still living is illogical, this is a fictional universe, and where many things are illogical from the real world's perspective.
All we know is that the last thing stated about Hidan regarding his status is that he is alive. Maybe he did die of malnutrition years after the war. Or maybe he did get out somehow and is terrorizing someplace else. How long can he go without nutrition? The fact of the matter is, we don't know. All that was factually stated about him is that, he is immortal, only malnutrition can kill him, and he was still alive in the war. We just don't know how long he can go without malnutrition, so the best thing we can use is what was last stated about him, not to presume how long Hidan can survive without malnutrition by ourselves.
If we are presuming Hidan is dead, the harm is that we are also presuming how long he can go without nutrition, which would be roughly over decade, despite that never being stated, despite it being stated he is immortal, and despite it being said he is alive. We don't know. All we know is that one thing was stated. So we can't presume otherwise. Even if it is illogical and nonsensical for him to still be alive, this is again, a fictional universe. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:56, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Last time I checked, head alone couldn't do anything by itself...--JouXIII (talk) 19:59, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Head alone couldn't control his body, but it could still speak and whatnot... (Chapter 325) WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 20:04, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Let me rephrase: head alone couldn't do anything USEFUL by itself. Also, there's tons of earth, rock and dirt covering the head. I don't see Hidan doing much of talking down in the hole. --JouXIII (talk) 20:15, March 3, 2016 (UTC)
Like others have stated, if we don't know then we don't know. He could eat grubs and all kinds crap down there. It rains and he gets water too so...... Munchvtec (talk) 15:19, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
...Which wouldn't help Hidan at all, since all that grub and water would simply go through his throat to outside the head. --JouXIII (talk) 15:45, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
We simply dont know how his body works. He's to be listed presumed as that would be the most accurate thing for us to do. Munchvtec (talk) 17:33, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
Its been 11+ years since we saw Jiraiya sinking to the bottom of Amegakure, should we also list him as Incapacitated since we don't know his lung capacity within this fictional universe? For all we know is he could be down there to this very day holding his breath. Also the length of human lives has never been established, but yet we list Butsuma dying of old age. While its a fictional universe, we don't get to say this and this makes sense to be a cause of death in real life, so we'll list it as such, but turn a blind eye when it comes to dying of malnutrition. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 21:07, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
It's actually poor comparison, cause Jiraya is still a regular human in Narutoverse, while Hidan isn't an ordinary one by all means. In Narutoverse noone demonstrated the ability to survive decapitation, aside from one person - namely, Hidan. We know the limits of an ordinary human in Narutoverse, but most of them do not apply to someone, and this someone is again Hidan. So, again, we can't say for sure if he lives or not cause noone could survive being blown up to pieces in this universe so far (perhaps, aside from TTJ-Madara, yet he was never decapitated at the same time). Ravenlot 27 (talk) 21:39, March 7, 2016 (UTC)
That is a very poor comparison. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:49, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
I think it's interesting, Hidan's condition that is. Hidan can survive deadly attacks and live, hardly shown any sign of pain, but when it comes to nutrition, it is where he sharea a common trait with normal shinobi. We have no proof that he can survive this long without food just because he can survive attacks. That's making preferable comparisons without proof. We don't even know if Hidan was alive during the 4th war. For all we know Kabuto probably didn't wantnto revive him. Are we to say just because he surives attacks, he's faster, stronger and smarter than normal shinobi. We say presumed deceased for Ni's dogs. Why? Because they were getting chakra drained from them. We have no solid proof that they were killed. Shoot we have no solid proof that Karenbana died against Sakura's punch. She could have just been knocked out. --Rai 水 (talk) 01:07, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you on them but there is a fine line between them and Hidan. Feel free to change the others. Munchvtec (talk) 01:43, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Still grasping straws here with Hidan. We have no solod proof that Hidan is still alive and was even alive in the war. This all because Kakuzu who said he is still alive. We are going to take Kakuzu's word on a subject that is ultimately decided by Kabuto. Like I said, Kabuto probably didn't feel the need to use Hidan if he did die. Or maybe Kabuto didn't know where he was buried despite Kabuto being able to retreive other bodies that you think are secure with no problem. --Rai 水 (talk) 02:27, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Its not a poor caparison because Hidan like everyone is a normal person in terms of malnutrition. And Kakuzu's statement shouldn't way on his status since he questioned it, not confirm it. He could of taken Kisame and Konan's absent as proof as being alive and look how accurate that would be. And if statements like that should way in on his status, we should take into account Ino's statement in the same chapter about him rotting. The last time i checked, rotting is a word associated with dead people. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 04:33, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Well Saru, Kakuzu didn't know Konan died nor if Kisame was still alive but the fact is how would Kakuzu know Hidan was still alive? Did he just "know" that if he was Hidan was dead, he would be brought back with him? All it was, was a assumption. Based on my explanations of several instances to Hidan's status, compared to a sadly very poor reason, what is you guys' take on this now? --Rai 水 (talk) 06:18, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Bump. --Rai 水 (talk) 06:49, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
This is still going on? What's so hard to understand about "Your opinion does not outweigh an official statement by the mangaka"? It doesn't matter how sound your logic is or how good your arguments are. This isn't a fan wiki. If we'd go by opinions, Gaara would still be a Magnet Release user. • Seelentau 愛 14:40, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
he is becuase he is still listed as one lool Geschlechtsverkehr (talk) 15:11, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Not to be the killjoy, but this is actually a fan wiki, because it's built by fans for fans and nobody here is paid to contribute towards this wiki and is run by fans in our own time. We just simply choose to cover the canonical events and not allow people to post their own, made up fanon that hasn't been stated in a medium here. This also just happens to be the longest standing canonical wiki so many people come here, but it's certainly not a wiki run by a corporation, which would make the wiki official.
If this was an official wiki, it wouldn't be hosted on Wikia and would be run by Studio Pierrot/WSJ and fans would almost certainly not be allowed to contribute on it. --SuperSajuuk (talk) 15:16, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
You know exactly what I meant. :P • Seelentau 愛 15:45, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Indeed. :P --SuperSajuuk (talk) 16:26, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Except what Kakuzu said was just an opinion and one that makes no sense given the circumstances I just said. @Tau And technically Gaara is a Magnet Release user anyway via novel :p. When info doesn't make sense we have always tried to make the best way to clear the situation, even if that meant putting the info in trivia while keeping things on the right track. This is no different so stop trying to make it. --Rai 水 (talk) 17:24, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

What Kakuzu said wasn't an opinion. It's not his opinion that Hidan wasn't there, it was a fact and Kakuzu noted it. This is commonly used by the author to tell the reader something, in our case, it's about Hidan's whereabouts. This, coupled with the fact that Kishimoto stated earlier that Hidan is still alive and the fact that no one of us knows how long he stays alive without nutrients or following his cult's ways is more than enough to keep him as Alive. We#ll just have to deal with the fact that Kishimoto's crappy storytelling left us with a lot of open ends. • Seelentau 愛 19:00, March 11, 2016 (UTC)
Kakuzu didn't note his status, he questioned it. I would understand not changing his status if kishimoto said that his cults way effected his nutrition status, but he didn't. When it comes to malnutrition, him being immortal to attacks and etc is irrelevant. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 01:46, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
True. I just reread the chapter and he questioned if Hidan was alive because he wasn't there although again there are multiple divisions with reanimated people he didn't know it apparently. You say that is the author's way of letting us know Hidan's status but that's not solid proof, just your assumption just like Kakuzu. If a person in Naruto said I wonder if Jiraiya is still alive because they couldn't find his body, would you say, change his status to "Incapicitated"? --Rai 水 (talk) 02:26, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
Hidan isn't like Jiraiya though, he's a very unique case. Last official word we got was that he was still alive, so alive should be his assumed status by default. We shouldn't need additional proof he is still alive to list him as such, we should need proof he is dead in order to change it.--BeyondRed (talk) 07:08, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
Except if you read his statement, you would know that he was wondering if Hidan was alive because he didn't show up with him (as apparently he just knew Hidan would be reanimated by Kabuto). Some suggests that it is the author's way of saying Hidan is alive. Yet that is only the fans interpretation of it. I guess like us presuming he is dead would be. We have no solid proof that he survives longer than regular humans when it comes to malnutrition so putting "Presumed Deceased" at the very least makes sense. It gives you the kbowledge that he is most likely dead but it is not certain. We are believing just because he endures critical damage he can endure a longer time without food which again is no proof of that.
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So are we in agreement on putting "Presumed Deceasee" based on not very reliable proof? --Rai 水 (talk) 04:04, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
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