Talk:Hand Seal

Proper naming

Would a more appropriate term for this page be Hand seals? These seals are derived from the taijutsu "hand seal" tradition by Feudal-era ninja to denote their style of combat. --Dubtiger 17:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

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Proper naming in hand seal category

Some of the jutsu in the wikia list "Hare" instead of "Rabbit", and so on, should these be fixed? 74.236.92.133 (talk) 04:18, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Lightning Handseals

I just wonder how do Sasuke use some of his lightning justus(in Shippuden) without a handseal while according to this article it is required for a ninja to use a handseal/s to perform jutsu..? Here are some Sasuke's justus who don't have handseals:

Chidori Senbon

Chidori Current/Stream

Chidori Sharp Spear

and there's also the other one called Limelight(Shippuden episode 66 I think..) and sometimes Kakashi don't use anymore a handseal in performing his Raikiri...

And even a skilled ninja must use at least one handseal(for example Nidaime)to perform jutsu, then why Sasuke's lightning techniques don't even have one handseal?

Then again, I'm just focusing about the Uchiha clan--sorry for being an interrogative person.. (I'm just asking by the way, so please answer nicely)--Sasunaruitakashika (talk) 17:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I have a theory, but I'm not so sure if it's legit.

During his KGB training for chakra nature manipulation, Naruto was able to call forth wind chakra without making any hand seals. In theory, Sasuke is doing the same thing, except with lightning chakra instead. He summons forth the lightning element without any hand seals, then shapes it to form his variety of Chidori techniques. Mohrpheus (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I have a theory too, not all techniques use handsigns, for example, many of guren's crystal techniques, and in some cases, a "half tiger sign" can be used in stead of the normal hand sels. Also, sometimes certain techniques(such as the water clone technique) can be done without handsigns(such as in kisame's case when he was battling with gai), despite the water clone jutsu needing the tiger handsign, so maybe after practicing a justu enough the user can use the half-tiger sign, and then with even more training(or just experiance from usage) the user can do it even without ANY handsign. One last thing, maybe these techniques don't even need hadsigns in the first place(although the raikiri is shown to need them, so if he didn't use them once, I bet this isn't the answer, although that part could simply be an error, or they ran out of time and decided to delete that part, or something like that).--WhiteWizardOfWater (talk) 04:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Read the chakra Page and it syas that ninjas can use some ninjutsu without handseals but the handseals help to concentrate chakra Narutosagemaster (talk) 06:01, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

also it says that "Through various methods, the most common of which is hand seals, the chakra can then be manipulated to create an effect that would not be possible otherwise, such as walking on water." Narutosagemaster (talk) 06:03, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, when fighting kakuza, he uses an earth hardening jutsu and did no hand signs, but later it is said by himself that kikashi was able to read his earth seals extremely fast. I always just figured that they DO all use handseals, but just use them extremely fast. Also, think of it this way, using the hand seals takes up space/time in the manga/anime that is probably better spent giving us more actual story than panels/minutes worth of hand seals every chapter/episode...and if asked, the writer would likely say 'they just use them really fast'--SkyFlicker (talk) 17:03, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Kakashi was reading the hand signs of the hardening jutsu just before Choji tried to take out Kakuzu in the end of episode 83. Jacce | Talk 20:09, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

New affiliatons?

Some of the hand seals say that they have new affiliations, such as the monkey being associated with lightning release. Where is this information coming from?

During the battle with Pain, the ANBU that tried to counter Animal Realm's summons, used Wind Release and Lightning Release techniques. They each only used one hand seal for their techniques. The ANBU that used Futon used the Dragon hand seal, while the one who used Raiton used Monkey. Further in the recent chapters Darui used monkey with his Raiton. Also monkey is present in the basic Raikiri hand seal sequence, while I believe Ox should also be associated with it, because it was Kakuzu's Ox mask that used False Darkness.Rayfire (talk) 16:25, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

One technique using a single seal doesn't really mean that the seal is associated with that Release, that would require several techniques of that element being shown to use it, like Fire, Earth and Wood have shown. From the ones on the page right now, I don't buy Lightning with Monkey (clearly an Ox association as already mentioned), Rooster with Water (not that common in the many techniques we have listed), Dragon with Wind (there are hardly any Wind Release techniques which use hand seals, I think only two wind techniques use that seal) and Ram with Crystal (Boar, Tiger and Monkey appear as much as Ram in these). I'm taking those out until there's more discussion. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:00, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps we shouldn't be connecting hand-seals to elements at all, unless there was a clear indication of it in the series. Like with Fire Release and Earth Release, both of which had their associated hand-seal clearly shown in the manga. For the rest, it seems the way the hand-seals are drawn is simply too inconsistent and that's even without bringing in manga VS anime canonicity. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 01:14, October 1, 2009 (UTC)

Yinwater formation?

I was wondering about the yin water seal while reading the manga when I saw an unusual seal in chapter 49 (when Orochimaru gave sasuke his juinjutsu). I looked the hand seals for the jutsu up, but all I could find was a reference to a secret hand seal that didn't seem to match the context this was used in. So, I ask the question, is that seal the secret seal of that juinjutsu, or is it the yin water seal? 75.154.90.211 (talk) 01:42, November 15, 2009 (UTC) -Tor Tion'Me'Ru'Manda Uliik'Ad Diryc'Goyust

    I'm not sure about your question, but the article did say the handseal was unknown and when I was running through the anime of the battle on slow speed I noticed that kakashi formed this seal:

    Jin handseal picture

    This handseal was followed by the three handseals specified in the bottom text as following the jin handseal so I believe that this is the jin handseal
    --123.211.193.87 (talk) 12:18, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Other Hand Seals

Um, who here has proof that Yamanaka clan's Mind Body Switch Technique "Hand seal" is real hand seal and not just a targeting sight? Otherwise i see it as speculation... Simant (talk) 23:41, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Sakura recognized the technique by the hand seal when she and Ino fought just after the second part of the Chunin exam. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:54, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm.. in the anime yes they do say signs, and Ino says "hand sign." But in manga chapter 72, I don't see them referencing the hand signs at all, though I should ask Shonen. Though I do notice another unique hand sign when she releases the jutsu. Simant (talk) 00:45, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Sakura does directly refer to that hand seal as a hand seal. In fact, in the official fanbook, there is an article about hand seals and this hand seal is used as an example of a hand seal that is not one of the twelve basic hand seals.

I've used the word hand seal far too often there... What an annoying word. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 01:40, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Technically two words. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:14, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

That actually depends on your definition of what a word is ^^ but you're right, two words. --ShounenSuki ^{(talk | contribs)} 14:05, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Okay then; now how about shion's new hand seals, should we include them as well on this page? Simant (talk) 21:47, November 21, 2009 (UTC)